Sid Roth

Sid:  My guest Deborah Shambora. Deborah in a million years did you ever believe you would be given this gift of seeing in the spirits world, seeing the demons; seeing the angels, seeing what God is up to being able to go to Heaven at will; did you ever think that was possible? Sid Roth radio show

Deborah:  No, I didn’t I had never heard of anybody seeing in the spirit so I thought that it was a little bit strange at first. Then I just trusted the Lord and He taught me as you said yesterday when we were talking we talked about the fact that I was hidden.  The Lord hasn’t really put me in groups, large groups of people who do this, He’s mostly taught me and trained me on my own and I’ve had to make sure that everything I do and say matches up with His scripture, and that’s the most important thing.  I don’t think this is a special gift that’s just for me I think as you say “We’re family” we’re in the family business and this is a valuable gift for us to go about the family business, the Father’s business.  I think that this particular gift that even now God wants to share this gift with anyone who is willing to work and to move with His agenda.  You said something about agenda, agenda we have our own agendas.  We can’t have our own agenda we have to truly just have the agenda the Holy Spirit has.  It isn’t about doing what we’re doing on our own, and I think the Lord wants to make people part of His family today.

Sid:  Well see I believe that if you lay hands on people some wonderful things are going to happen to almost release them into this realm just like that’s what happened with you someone laid hands on you, but I believe that it can be spoken as easily as laying on of hands just like healing can be a word of knowledge or it can be the laying on of hands or it can be the person praying by themselves.  But what do you think about praying for all those that are hungry to move into this spiritual realm where they get their spiritual vision which is far more important than their natural vision.

Deborah:  Right, I tell people this we have spiritual senses I believe we have five spiritual senses the same as we have five physical senses and some people will be more gifted in the sight God will give them more sight but some people will be more gifted in the other senses.  I have smelled things in the spirit, I have heard things in the spirit, I have yet to taste things in the spirit, but I know that’s coming I just don’t know what it’s going to be like because God says taste and see that I am good.  And so I tell people not to really seek after the vision and the seeing because of all of our senses our seeing can be the least reliable at times.  If you just watch a movie we think something’s happening on a movie but it’s actually just being done on a computer simulation.  So I really would like people to be open to sensing with their spirit and to growing in sensing in all of the areas of their spirit and knowing what’s happening in the spirit realm not only by vision, and not seeking that, but seeking to be a part of the family and a part of what God is doing and to join in the family business. Sid Roth radio broadcast

Sid:  You know Deborah I know that God’s been speaking to you as He’s been speaking to me about young people and that have such a hunger for God.  I can see young teenagers moving in the realm you’re moving in large numbers all over the world.  What’s God showing you about this younger generation?

Deborah:  It is so crucial for this younger generation to be introduced to these things in the spirit realm because that’s what they’re looking for and they look for it in all the wrong places, that’s why there’s such an increase I believe interest in witchcraft and the interest in drugs and alcohol by the younger generation because they’re looking for this spiritual life, they’re looking to live in the spirit realm. And it’s not satisfying them trying to do it in the natural, that’s the lie of the enemy that you can have the same thing through drugs or alcohol or whatever else you do. I believe that this generation is the generation that is ushering in the final end of this world and they are crucial to what is going to happen in the spirit realm.

Sid:  You know I think there is going to be such a polarization that when someone says they’re Christian they will be rather than that just happens to be their religion.  And I’m looking at my notes, and you believe this too, that the evil will get stronger and God’s kingdom will get stronger and stronger and people are going to have to choose.

Deborah:  Yes, there is going to be more definitely times of choosing and right now I truly believe we are in a transition point.  We’re in that point of choosing at this moment, it’s a New Year and a Jewish New Year and this New Year there is something different God is doing I truly believe that God is calling us to make that decision.  Do you want to be that Christian who goes to an institutional church on Sunday’s and then goes and lives your life without Him, or do you want to be that kind of person that is in the family of God and actually lives and breathes in the spirit realm as well as in the natural. It’s our choice right now.

Sid:  Deborah press in and pray what God tells you to pray.

Deborah:  Father I just want to ask You to encourage everyone whose listening to light within them that flame that’s inside of them Lord that You put in them and in their spirit I just would ask that You increase that fire in them, that hunger, that thirst after You that desire to be in Your family.  That desire for truth Lord, not in the things of the natural not in any of the things the enemy has placed in our path, but Father that you would have us look in the spirit realm with our eyes and see You, and with our ears and hear Your voice.  You said that we can hear your voice and know it.  We want to hear Your voice Lord, we want to be led by you just like the children of Israel were led through the promise land.  We want to see the fire Lord by night and the cloud by day; I ask Lord even now as those people are pressing into You listening to this radio show that as their pressing in and they’re coming to a place where they say Lord “I want this, I want You in that kind of way I want to be in Your family.  I want to do what You’re doing and partner with Your angels.  I ask that You release that all over this world where this broadcast is being heard just release into them Lord the power.  They don’t need another person they just need You, I ask that You strengthen that relationship that You have with them and I encourage anyone who wants this relationship to just  run to the Lord, just open your heart to Him and run to Him and this is the time that God has that for you.  It’s available for you right now it’s not something you have to work at, it’s not something that you have beg for it’s something that you have to just sacrifice your own agenda and say “Lord it’s about You it’s not about me.”  So thank You Lord for everything that You have done and we appreciate it in Jesus Name Amen.

Sid:  You know Deborah there is such a strong tangible presence of God right now that has flooded this studio.   In fact I’m a little bit concerned about my engineer because when this happens she’s so hungry for God she may not be looking at the controls.  But there is such a wonderful presence of God that is right there.  And in His presence all things are possible and I’m hearing that people are being healed right now; they’re being healed of back pain, that back pain and neck pain.  And in fact pain of any kind in this anointing you can just reach into that invisible world and pull in your healing Deborah?

Deborah:  Pain in the hips and just that has been really bothering someone for quite some time. The Lord is wanting to make that no longer a concern.  There’s something to do with a maybe ovarian cancer that God is working on that God want you to know that He has all power to even heal things like ovarian cancer, it’s not impossible with God to heal specific things like that.  He can deal with back pain, He can deal with pain in the hips He can also deal with cancer and He wants you to know that today.

Sid:  Let me ask you this, “What has God been speaking to you about our One New Man kit that we’re making available?”

Deborah:  I think it’s an incredible opportunity, a way for people to actually get started it in doing the thing that God wants them to do and that’s serving Him in His way and not serving a institution in the way that that’s been set up to serve.  I love the church and I think God has great plans for the church but not the church that we call it the church, not the institutional church that man has built, but the church that God wants to build.  And I think the house church and the One New Man Kit that you’re talking about really is going to be the way to get started in that.  And once you get started the Lord, the Holy Spirit, the Father will actually move you into places you never thought you could go and you’ll be seeing, you’ll be hearing, you’ll be fellowshipping with Him, you’ll be seeing angels ministering with you. I think it all starts from just walking that out, taking that step, saying “Yes, I want to do this thing and I’m willing to do it Lord if you partner with me.”  And just get started, if it’s two people, if it’s four people let God grow it for you as you grow in Him.

Sid:  My guest is red hot for the Messiah her name is Deborah Shambora, I’m speaking to her by way of telephone, at her home in Gilbert, Arizona a city outside of Phoenix. What happened to Debra should not have happen to anyone, a horse went mischugah and started trampling her.  No logical explanation and literally crushed her major organs and just her body was a mess and she ended up dying, but it wasn’t her time and He sent her back and eventually her body healed up but they never even found out she had a problem that her cornea was completely crushed and ruptured and so she had to have stitches.  I mean I couldn’t believe that what was it what did you tell me sixty-five stitches or something.

Deborah:  Oh, about sixty-five stitches it was a cornea transplant.

Sid:  Ah and you only did it on one eye and eventually it healed up and you put a contact lens on it and so you could see a little bit but then you went to Africa and a man with a healing ministry prayed for you to be physically healed.  You were not physically healed but something happened in the Spirit and all of a sudden it’s as if you had spiritual vision, you could see what was going on in the invisible world.  And on yesterday’s broadcast you could see the evil and you could see the good, when you press in and ask God to show you like for instance if you’re praying for someone’s health, sometimes you can, not sometimes I guess every time you can see if you’re pressing in what is going on in the person’s life.  Do you always tell the people what’s going on?

Deborah:  No, sometimes; I tell if the Lord says to tell, let’s say someone ask me to come and pray for their back and when I go and when I start praying for their back because they are having back pain I see their heart instead of their back and their heart has a big tear in it, that’s what it looks like to me.  So I will then say to them, well the Lord knows about your back, but He wants to deal with your heart first and that there’s a wounding in your heart that’s causing you to not be able be at peace. God wants this for you so we need to take care of your heart issue first and then God will take care your healing.  And usually they just start to cry and they start talking about what it was that what it was that was wounded in their heart and we deal with that issue.  And then if after that then I see that the Lord wants to heal and then I’ll start praying for the physical healing to go with that.

Sid:    You know you told me something that is so amazing to me Debra, that since you see in the spirit realm you almost are like an actor on a stage you see the angels, you know what they’re up to by the way they are dressed etcetera, and then you just speak out loud what you see going on in the spirit.

Deborah:  Right.

Sid:  Can you give me an example?

Deborah:  It’s not well, it’s not me at all I can just again see someone’s heart and I also say “Lord is this something You want me to share with that person or is it something You want me to keep quiet?”  I’m just a servant of the Lord I don’t think what I have is anything so spectacular; I think everyone, I think God wants everyone to be able to see in the spirit realm.  We’re citizens of heaven, we eternal citizens from the moment that we’re saved. So why wouldn’t we want to, why wouldn’t we be able to see, hear, sense, feel in the realm that’s our natural realm, which is the spirit realm?

Sid:  But what I meant is sometimes you see what the angels are about ready to do and you actually release them through your words.

Deborah:  Hmm, hum they sometimes come with big jars, they look like pitchers and they are filled with an anointing. So I know that could be healing anointing, but it also could be anointing for service or for a spiritual gift.  It could be an anointing for promotion in the spirit realm and so I will partner with that angel in order to release that particular anointing on the person that it’s supposed to be released with.

Sid:  You know in scripture it talks about the angels move on our words, have you seen that happen?

Deborah:  Angels will only obey the Lord but they will come down and if you are the authority in that meeting then you have the authority to release them to do what they’ve come to do.  You can’t, I can’t just call an angel and say come and bring this, that’s for the Lord to do, God does that He sends His angels.  But when they come I can partner with them to do what they’re supposed to do. They need me to partner with them.  God doesn’t do things on this earth unless people partner with Him, that’s our freewill; He’s given that to us.  So the angels are not going to come and do anything unless we will partner with them.

Sid:  So are you telling me that if you really press in you have insight into anyone you meet?

Deborah:  Generally yes although I don’t press into everyone so I can’t say everyone.

Sid:  And what do you mean by press in by the way?

Deborah:  What I mean is I just I’m a person who has a body, I have a mind, I have emotions, I have all of these things, but I also am a spirit and about fifteen years ago the Lord said, “You need to change the way you think and you need to think as if you are a spirit that just happens to have a body and a mind and emotions for this period of time. Instead of thinking I am a body and emotions and mind everything goes through that first.  So it’s a transition into being that in the spirit realm more than you are in the natural.  Obviously these are things that are very hard to describe with words.

Sid:  No, you’re doing a pretty good job; tell me about the time you went to West Africa last year and you were interceding and you noticed a gentleman came and sat next to you.  Tell me about that.

Deborah:  I was assigned by the Lord and by the people that I was with to do intercession for that particular service and it was our team was sitting in the front row or this very large African church.  There were about 4,000 people I think there, it was the largest church in that country and no one else was sitting with us, and all of a sudden I noticed that there was an African gentleman sitting to my  right and when I looked at him he looked at me and he spoke to me in perfect English, not perfect English, English that I would  understand, American English, United States English which was very unusual and he said to me, “You can go anywhere in the heavenliest that you want to go” and I was so involved in intercession I just said, “Okay thanks.”  And I kept praying throughout the rest of the service and didn’t really process what he was saying.  At the end of the service I looked at him and he said it again, the same way “You can go anywhere in the Heavenlies that you choose to go, you have open access.”  All of a sudden I realized that this was it felt like it was an angel manifesting as a man, it looked like a man but it was an angel.  So I grabbed a hold of my daughter and I said, “Take a picture of me with this man.”  And he was gone after that, I mean she took the picture and then all of a sudden he was gone I was going to ask somebody “Who is this?”  And nobody seems to know who that particular person was.

Sid:  Well, more important than that, assuming that was an angel and that was a true word, were you able to go to Heaven?

Deborah:  Yes. (Laughing)

Sid:  How long did you have to wait until it happened?

Deborah:  Actually I had been in places in the Heavenlies before that but this total access pass if you will, and I don’t mean to name if something that’s silly, but this total access pass meant that anytime I wanted to go into the Heavenlies rather than when God moves me there.  I had been in the Heavenlies before but it was when God took me there in deep intense intercession.  Now I can go into that intercession and prayer and walk into the Heavenlies with His blessing anytime I choose to. I don’t know it that makes sense.

Sid:  It sounds wonderful to me but let me ask you this “What do you accomplish when you go into the Heavenlies, what’s going on?  Why is it beneficial?

Deborah:  If I go into the throne room I can sit at the feet of the Father and just worship and just be in His presence and love Him and if I go elsewhere I can actually pray in the Heavenlies for what God wants to happen on the earth.  And sometimes I can look down and see the earth and see certain things that He’s highlighting, then I make that my prayer focus.  For me the whole reason to go into the Heavenlies is to do what Jesus is doing there now and has been doing for the last 2000 years and that is to intercede.

Sid:  You pretty much have spent your life being hidden, but God has been telling you lately that it’s time for you to go to the next point. Just out of curiosity you have a house congregation in your house, are you the only one that goes to the Heavenlies and has these visions or do others in your house group?

Deborah:  Others can see in the spirit not as openly, some people can sense in the spirit or they sense the angel is there by senses or maybe hot or something hot on the side of their face or a tingling.  Some people can see certain things, everyone is at a different…

Sid:  But you know what the main thing is that everyone in your group is hungry for greater intimacy with God.

Deborah:  Yeah.

Sid:  And hungry not to be a spectator but to be a participant and really have Mischpochah, that’s a Hebrew word that means family and that’s what God intended for the church.  That’s why we put together the best mentoring tools that  over the last twenty-five plus years that I found in every area to prepare you for the next move of God’s Spirit, the best book I found on prophesy, the best book on healing, how to start a soaking room, the best DVD’s on starting a house congregation, the best understanding the Jewish roots of your faith, on understanding the One New Man Congregation that’s coming on planet earth, and we have soaking CDs by unknown people.  We put it all together we call it “A One New Man Kit” and I literally believe I could give you this kit and parachute you anywhere in the world and you could start a vibrant house congregation that God shows up.

SID: Sid Roth here with Jim Richards. And this is amazing. Jim, repeat what you just said to me that science has just found out.

JIM: Science has now discovered that every time your heart beats it sends an encoded signal to every cell in your body that basically updates that cell to what you believe about yourself right now. Every cell is reprogrammed every time your heart beats.

SID: And isn’t this what Jesus taught us?

JIM: That’s exactly what Jesus taught us, and that’s the amazing thing is, all the way back to the Book of Proverbs, for thousands of years God has given us what science didn’t know. I can remember even 20 years ago I would have heart doctors make fun of me when I would say this. Now those very heart doctors are getting trained to understand in cellular biology how all this stuff works.

SID: When you find an emotion that someone is dealing with, as you’re counseling them, you know how it’s affecting their body. Give me an example.

JIM: For example, we know from a biblical and medical point of view that fear, if a person is having abiding fear it’s about their kidneys. They got trouble in their kidneys. If a person is having abiding anger it’s going to be their liver. If a person is having abiding grief and sorrow it’s going to be the respiratory system. If a person is having fright, panic attacks it’s going to be their heart.

SID: Give me an example of you. Give me an example of an emotion you had and how it affected a specific part of your body.

JIM: You know, I was born with a congenital kidney disease. And in communion with the Lord one time, I was just praying, Lord, how did this happen? Where did this start? And I immediately heard my father’s voice, and I thought I was having a vision. And I realized I was hearing my father’s voice when I was in the womb and he was threatening my mother. And I heard my mother’s very thoughts and she said, “As soon as I have this baby he’ll start beating me again.” And see, the fear that my mother felt literally became imprinted in my kidneys, and that’s why I was born with a congenital kidney disease. I don’t blame my mother. That’s not there. But I also realize if I put off that fear and remove that from my being, then my kidneys had the opportunity to start healing themselves the way God created them to heal themselves.

SID: Okay. The rubber meets the road, so to speak. I’m going to tell you something, an emotion or a feeling that I’m dealing with. My father was a perfectionist and to a degree I want everything to be right. Now I know better. I can’t show this. So what do I do, is I internalize it, and that’s the worse thing that can happen.

JIM: Yes it is.

SID: So I’m driving and someone cuts me off. And I immediately, there’s an upset within me. Now I don’t want that upset. How do I get rid of it?

JIM: You know, I would start with the feeling that I have at that moment, that upset. I would give it a name, whether it’s anger, whether it’s frustration, or whatever you would call it at that moment. But whatever it is you’re going to call it by a name just so you can identify it. And you’re going to go through a process of sending it away or putting it off and putting it on something else. It would be real simple. What would you call that feeling when you have it?

SID: Well I’ll tell you what I call it. I call it pride. Me first.

JIM: Okay. If that’s what you call it then it would be real simple. You would start from the place of, pride, you are not from God. Just say that with me. Pride, you are not from God.

SID: Pride, you are not from God.

JIM: I don’t want you.

SID: I don’t want you.

JIM: You have no place in my place life.

SID: You have no place in my life.

JIM: And then that’s where turn our heart. Father, search my heart.

SID: Father, search my heart.

JIM: Search through every aspect of my being.

SID: Search through every aspect of my being.

JIM: Through every cell of my body.

SID: Through every cell of my body.

JIM: To the very root and core of this pride.

JIM: And by your grace.

SID: And by your grace.

JIM: I expect the courage.

SID: I expect the courage.

JIM: To forgive myself.

SID: To forgive myself.

JIM: To forgive others.

SID: To forgive others.

JIM: To forgive every circumstance.

SID: To forgive every circumstance.

JIM: That has contributed to this problem.

SID: That has contributed to this problem.

JIM: Now pride.

SID: Now pride.

JIM: I send you away.

SID: I send you away.

JIM: I forgive myself.

SID: I forgive myself.

JIM: In the name of Jesus.

SID: In the name of Jesus.

JIM: And I choose.

SID: And I choose.

JIM: Now this is where, what would you want to put, what would you rather feel when this happens?

SID: Love.

JIM: Alright.

SID: Love for the person that just cut me off in traffic.

JIM: Then we pray this way. I choose to feel love.

SID: I choose to feel love.

JIM: I am in Christ.

SID: I am in Christ.

JIM: I am loved.

SID: I am loved.

JIM: I am accepted.

SID: I am accepted.

JIM: The love of God abounds in my heart.

SID: The love of God abounds in my heart.

JIM: I choose to feel love.

SID: I choose to feel love.

JIM: I choose to speak love.

SID: I choose to speak love.

JIM: And by the grace of God.

SID: By the grace of God.

JIM: I trust.

SID: I trust.

JIM: The love of God.

SID: The love of God.

JIM: To manifest in my life.

SID: To manifest in my life.

JIM: It’s literally that simple.

SID: And I just heard something, I might add. But here’s the important thing for you. What emotions are you dealing with? I have some good news for you. I prayed that prayer when I first sat under Jim’s teaching, and those feelings did not go away. But yesterday, and Jim knows this, I was involved in a three-car accident. And I got out, and it wasn’t my fault. I was stopped at a red light. I had nothing to do with it. One car hit the car behind me and the car behind me hit me. And the driver was a Jewish man from New York, a non-believer in the Messiah. And guess what? He said to me, “How can you be so peaceful after I just crashed into your new car?” And I said, “I’m glad you asked me.” And I was able to tell me why I was so peaceful. And he wanted a copy of my book, and he wanted to know more about the Messiah. And this is all going on because I didn’t react the way I used to. So thank you for that prayer.

JIM: Thank the Lord that it works.

SID: It does. You know what? I’m convinced that as these emotions come up in you and you start dealing with them and putting off, as Jim taught, and putting on you’re going to be freer and freer, and the words of God, the promises, they’re all going to come to pass in your life. That’s exciting. That’s something to be very excited about. I can’t wait for you to get free and be normal.

SID: Hello. Sid Roth here with Jim Richards. And have you ever been to a doctor and the doctor says, “Well does your mother or father have cancer, have heart trouble? Oh they did?” And he writes this down. Basically you got in your genes. You either have good genes or bad genes. But even science is finding that’s not true any more. Jim, explain from your studies and from the study of the Bible, your studies in the medical area and your studies in the Bible what you have found out.

JIM: What we have discovered now, and the Bible taught this, but it used different language. What we’ve discovered is that the experiences that go all the way back to when we were in the womb and actually can be taken from generation to generation, and it’s not that they’re curses. I want to say that. We understand that cellular memory, once something stays in a family for up to three generations, by that fourth generation you’re kind of hardwired for that. Like if you live in poverty for three generations, from there on you come into the world wired and expect to believe in poverty. And likewise, as people have painful emotions, they have painful experience, the Bible calls that an offense. It’s a pain that we take inside that literally that goes into our body, into our cells. You know, the Book of Proverbs says it this way. It says, “The words of wicked are wicked words.” It says, “They go into us and lie in wait for our blood.” The Book of Jeremiah says that, “The heart is deceitful and desperately wicked.” Who could know it, in the Hebrew it actually says, “The heart is covered with footprints and makes it become chaotic.” See, we have these experiences in life.

SID: Is that why people have difficulty changing behavior, someone addicted to like over-eating or drugs, whichever.

JIM: Yeah, exactly. See, behavior modification doesn’t change anything on the inside. Behavior modification is where you just try harder. And one day you get tired of trying harder and you fail. Because you see, inwardly, literally in the cells of our body, and Paul said this. He said, “Inwardly I belie that to the law of God.” But he said, “I see it work in my members and in my mind.” That word “members” is literally parts. He said, there’s something in my body parts that literally wars against the law of God. And the law of God is the law of spirit in life. And what we know that is are cellular memories that literally become imprinted in the cells of our body. Now what makes this so interesting is since God spoke everything into existence, those words are literally frequencies. Every word that God spoke has a specific frequency. And we know now that my liver has a certain frequency, that if it doesn’t stay at that frequency it’s not healthy. My heart has a certain frequency. Every organ in my body has a certain frequency.

SID: Now what gets the organ out of frequency?

JIM: When I am hurt, when I hold an offense in, when I get a pain and I don’t send that pain away, and the words “send away” literally means to forgive. When I don’t send that away I hold on to it. That’s what Jesus said. He said, when somebody sins against you, he wasn’t talking about, I can forgive your sins in the place of God. He said, when somebody sins you can forgive, you can send it away, he says, or you can retain it. There’s two choices. You send it away or you hold on to it. If I hold on to hurt, that hurt literally becomes a vibration inside every cell of my body that causes my liver possibly to not really vibrate at that perfect frequency that God spoke into existence, or my heart. And so I’m trying to get healed, but I’m holding on to hurt and pain that’s causing me to stay sick.

SID: Okay. And behavior modification, the frequency stays the same. So no wonder people start going in a big circle. Behavior modification usually makes it worse, because in behavior modification you always fail. You always try hard, fail, get up and try hard, fail. And those failures actually cause you to start having negative feelings of guilt and they exacerbate the problem.

SID: I’m amazed how science is confirming what the Bible says.

JIM: Oh yes.

SID: But you were talking about someone that would have, say, a heart transplant or an organ transplant, and talk about, not just the emotions, even memories are in those cells. Tell me one.

JIM: There was a landmark case where a child received a heart. And the moment this child came out of surgery she began having dreams about being murdered, and it was so challenging that they tracked down who the donor was. And the donor came from a child that had been murdered. And in a landmark case they used the dreams of the child who had received this heart, because she was dreaming the memories of this child that had been killed, and they got a description of the man who murdered the child, found him and prosecuted him based on the memories that were stored in that heart.

SID: So how do you get your body wired the way God originally intended, so if you will, the frequencies of your body are just a perfect symphony. If you can’t do it through behavior modification how can you do it?

JIM: You know, you do it through what the Bible calls, put off, put on. I’ve got to put off or send away any feeling, any emotion, anything, a thought that’s going on inside me that is inconsistent with the promises of God and Jesus. You see, as long as I hold on to a thought of me, a belief of me, a feeling about me that’s inconsistent of who I am in Jesus, in Jesus, I’m righteous, I’m saved, I’m healed, I’m delivered, I’m prospered, I’m blessed, I’m protected. But if I hold on to anything that makes me feel or think less than who I am in Jesus, then that keeps those cells functioning in ways that are inconsistent from the way God made me.

SID: Okay. You say put off. But what do you put on?

JIM: You put on who you are in Jesus. And that’s the key thing. You know, I’ll give you a great example. You know, I had a situation where I knew I was getting pneumonia. I had pneumonia several times. I knew I was getting pneumonia. I was having some emotions that I was struggling with. I’ll tell you, I got down, I relaxed. I got in contact with God. And as sincerely as I could with God I prayed something very similar, what we call the transformation prayer. God searched my heart. I want to see it in me, show me the root of this. I want to deal with the root of this to go to the very core of my being. And basically, I identified this emotion I was feeling and I said, “I send you away in the name of Jesus. You’re not from God. I don’t want you.” And it left.

SID: Okay. I want to have, the disease left?

JIM: First, the emotion left and the moment peace came then I knew I could deal with the disease.

SID: Okay. Here’s what I want Jim to do. I’m going to be transparent. I’m going to talk about some feelings I have that I wish I didn’t have and I want him to pray for me. But here’s what’s going to happen. You’re going to learn how to do it. Don’t go away. Be right back.

SID: Hello. Sid Roth here. Welcome to my world where it’s naturally supernatural. I have been so looking forward to this particular interview because I’m convinced that this is the missing link that has been blocking you walking in the supernatural of every promise that God has. And I want you to be normal. Now my guest, Jim Richards, has spent 35 years studying health and studying the Bible. He has three earned doctorate degrees and he has developed a way of praying to make you so free that you can believe God with all of your heart, and that is the reason why God is not answering a lot of your prayers. You’re not believing God with all of your heart. There’s some blockage, if you will. We’re going to get rid of that blockage, Jim Richards. Now Jim, I look at you and it’s hard to believe the background that you came from. Your father was violent. Your stepfather then became violent and you had, I hope you don’t get upset with me saying this, you had a crazy grandmother that you lived with. How did you even survive? Tell me the most violent thing that happened to you.

JIM: You know, the most violent thing that my father did was when we were children tried to burn us all alive while he was in a drunken rage. The most violent thing my stepfather ever did was broke into the bedroom and stabbed me in my sleep really intending to murder me, and I managed to narrowly escape with my life.

SID: You have to believe today that if it wasn’t for God you wouldn’t be sitting here right now.

JIM: Oh yeah. And not only that, if it were not for applying these principles that we share, I would be bitter, angry, enraged, full of all kinds of complications in life. But it’s really, I am free from all that. I am free from the power of all of that by applying these principles.

SID: Okay. You’re in a band and the drummer’s cousin is one of your dealers for drugs.

JIM: Right.

SID: But he tells you a story that is amazing. Tell me about it.

JIM: Right. He was actually enraged because our drug supplier in Atlanta had gotten saved.

SID: I could imagine that would be a reason.

JIM: And that was a party time. That’s how we made money. So he’s telling me, he’s cussing, he’s ranting and raving. He says, “Ernie’s got the blanking religion. He’s blanking talking about Jesus.” So he’s ranting and raving, and cussing. But what was really interesting is through this process it was the first time in my life that I ever actually heard the Gospel. Now I had gone to church. I used to go to churches, knock on the office door. I’d go because they had hair out to here and I’d be barefoot and no shirt on, eyes red. I was crazy and it would scare them, and I understand that.

SID: You took after your crazy grandmother.

JIM: That’s right. But I would go in and just say, “Listen, my name is Jim Richards. I’m a drug dealer, I’m a musician, I’m dying. I got to find God.” And never had one single minister ever tell me how to get saved. I had them tell me I was going to Hell and on the other end of the spectrum I had them say, don’t worry, nobody is going to Hell.

SID: So this musician that’s upset because his drug dealer has now become a Christian tells you about it, and in mocking, that’s what he was doing, in mocking it, you end up getting the information you needed.

JIM: You know, the key thing he said that captured my heart, he said, “Ernie told me if you weren’t blank, blank, for God, he’s blank, blank against God.” Man, when I got out of that car, for the first time in my life I knew there is no neutral ground. And if I’m not for God I’m against Him, and I never knew I was against God. And I’ll tell you, I prayed. I was 21 years old. I was born with a congenital kidney disease. By this time I had been on drugs since I was in my mid-teens because I was a runaway at 14. I had sores all over me. My hair was falling out. Every morning I woke up with blood coming out my nose on my pillow. I was having seizures. I mean, you just go down the list of all these medical problems that I had.

SID: From your beatings you had those.

JIM: Beatings, substance. I had overdosed on drugs a few times and nearly died from that. I’m telling you, I just prayed. I didn’t even know what to say. But I said, “God, here’s the deal.” That’s exactly what I said. I said, “Here’s the deal. I don’t understand this, but this has got something to do with Jesus dying for me and I don’t know what means, but,” I said, “here’s the deal. If you’ll have me I will give you my life.” I said, “But there’s two things. Number one, I’m not going to believe anything anybody says about you unless I see it in a Bible for myself. So I need a Bible.” Because I had heard all kinds of crazy things about God. And I said, “Number two, I am not going to play church. This has got to be the real deal. I don’t mind giving you my life, but I’m not going to play any games.” And you know, I had a revelation of the love of God. And all I know is I entered into what seemed like eternity. I had a revelation of the love of God, and what was really only seconds seemed like months. I was a different man and that was it. I was off drugs.

SID: Okay. You get set free. But now you’re 28 and you’re dying of kidney disease. What did you do about it?

JIM: I’m serving God. I’m walking along. Everything is doing great. I’m succeeding at life, succeeding at ministry. I’m 28 years old. I get up one morning with pain in my side. They take me to the hospital and they rush me from one hospital to another hospital for emergency surgery. And the radiologist told a nurse that was in the church I was pasturing, and said, “We have never seen anybody with kidneys this bad that was still alive.” My kidneys had actually reduced down to a third of the size of normal. I had tumors. I had a renal system, both kidneys, several tumors, several cysts. And so I began this process that took four and a half years to walk out of. I’d love to say I just prayed one prayer. See, here’s the thing. Every aspect of what I shared gets down to this. We’ve got to persuade our heart to believe the truth, because until we believe the truth in our heart it’s just information. And you know, when you got pain in your body or when you got bills that you can’t pay then you got all of this evidence out here that says the promises of God are not yours. And contrary to popular belief, the Bible says, you’re going to believe what you have the evidence to believe because it says, “Faith is the substance of things hoped for, evidence of things not seen.”

SID: When we come back Jim has found there are trapped feelings. Actually science is finally, because of his studies for medicine in the Bible, science is finally catching up with the Bible. There are trapped emotions, trapped feelings. Some may even be generational. But when you can get rid of them you can begin to believe God with all of your heart. What is trapped in your body? Don’t go away. We’re going to find out.

Sid:  My guest Michelle Perry; Michelle Perry was born with only one leg, with only one, kidney and she has done more with her three friends Father, Son and Holy Spirit than almost anyone I know with two legs and two kidneys. Because Jesus said, “I’m giving you the nation of Sudan.”  Now, Michelle Something that I know you’re in constant pain because of the rods in your back and you don’t have a big bank rolling what you’re doing; you’re depending entirely on God.  You’ve got, what did you tell me 77 children that were orphans in the Sudan; you got a nation filled with orphans you want to bring, your heart is so big you want to bring everyone of them in.  You got a lot to be grateful for, but you’ve got a lot that we here in America say “I’m glad it’s Michelle and not me doing it.”

Michelle:  (Laughing)

Sid: What would you tell someone that’s been listening to us all week that’s feeling sorry for themselves. Maybe things aren’t going the way they pictured the way the movie said that things were supposed to be and they’re feeling sorry for themselves, what would you say to them?

Michelle:  I would say “Open up your heart and let Jesus love you pass the point of your pain.”  And it’s easy to get your eyes focused, you know on yourself instead of on Him. I know when I find myself looking to me and not to Him, it’s very easy to; it’s very easy to feel sorry, it’s very easy to you know oh, my gosh you know this is wrong and that’s wrong and this isn’t going right.  And then it’s just of the utmost importance to be able to fix our eyes on Jesus, I just ask Him to show Himself to you in a new way because He’s more committed to you being focused on Him t than you are, and He loves you and He is in no way absent; He is not forgotten you He has not turned a blind eye or a deaf ear to the things that are hurting, or a problem in your life; it’s to the contrary even more present; even more present; even more present than you can even begin to imagine. So just ask Him to show Himself to you He will, He will.

Sid:  You know I’m reminded just before you moved to Africa you were in your apartment and all of a sudden you heard music, tell me about that.

Michelle:  Well, I was in my apartment, I was packing actually getting ready to move to Africa, and as I was working on some things in my office I began to hear this beautiful almost ethereal  kind of strings and I’m thinking, “Did I leave soaking music on in my CD?”  And I went out and said, “No, it’s not coming from there and it’s not coming from the other room and where’s it coming from?” So I walked out into the living room area and it grew stronger and stronger and I walked into a wall of God’s presence and oh this is supernatural, this isn’t coming from my radio.  And I just began to pray and I laid down on the floor on my face and just began to pray and it was like I was surrounded with hundred’s and thousands of little children and it was overwhelming and they were all calling me “Momma, Momma, Momma, Momma,” and I’m going “Oh my gosh God what do I do?”  And into this, into this crowd of children Jesus walked and He said, “Beloved, Father wants you,” and all of a sudden I was instantly seated on the Father’s lap.  And I didn’t see His face, but I looked and I looked straight through His chest and into His heart and His heart was this pulsating fiery mass of liquid love that was just pulsating like plasma.  And before I knew quite what was happening I was drawn into His heart.  And in His heart there was like there was no beginning or end there was no tomorrow, there was no yesterday, there was no up there was no down there was only now, there was only the present and in His presence.  And Jesus walked up to me in the heart of God and He took His hand and He trust some of the substance of Father’s heart into mine and He said, “Now you carry this heart, you carry this heart into the darkness, you carry My heart.” And all of a sudden I was back in this encounter with all of these children and they were still calling me “Momma,” but I wasn’t overwhelmed and it was like I had seen His heart and His heart was inside of me and it began to burn brighter and brighter until these flames began to leap out and ignite the children.  And they turned and they ran into the darkness as a movement and they were singing “The Song of the Lamb” and they were dancing to the sound and the song that I just heard in the Father’s heart in heaven and it just undid me, undid me.

Sid:  Describe one of your children to me, one.

Michelle:  Okay, Awesa.  Awesa is two and half, and she thinks she runs the house, she does at times, she’s incredibly prophetic, she and her three sisters and one younger and two older watched her mother commit suicide in front of her, hung herself in the toqul, their mother did.  And when they came those girls came to us they were traumatized, the two youngest ones where demonized, there was a lot of witchcraft in the family though the family line and when I first got Awesa and I would try to hold her she would arch her back and she would scream like she was being tormented. When we have our nightly worship she would writhe on the ground, I mean completely demonized.  I thought “God what do I do?”  He said, “Just love her, bless her, hole her, love her, bless her, hold her, love her; I said, “Okay.”  Well over a course of week she got free, and now she’s like my shadow there and she follows me everywhere and she still has quite an attitude at times and she’s a strong willed child, but she’s a leader and she’s a dreamer.  And as I said, “She prophetic” she came up to me before I came back for this trip and as I said “The Lord’s been speaking to me a lot eating of His presence and so she comes up to me in worship and she’s got her little plastic spoon and she’s like spooning something in the air and sticking it in my mouth; I don’t know where it was and I don’t want to know where it had been.  But she’s spooning something and sticking it in my mouth and she goes Momma, “Ocalu, Ocalu” it mean eat in our language. “Momma, Ocalu Yesua “Eat Jesus.”  Out of a mouth of a two and half year old that once was an orphan and is now a daughter.

Sid:  Paint me a picture of what you want to see in this village that you’re building.

Michelle:  Well, we want to see about fifty small family homes that will hold ten children like a cabin and a Momma.  And we want to see children that have been orphaned and truly have no other options they don’t have extended family they can go stay with; they would wind up on the streets, they are the worst case scenarios if you will; be brought into a community and be brought into families.  Because God says “He sets the lonely in families,” so we’re a family.

Sid:  Now many of our listeners feel they want to give some money to your project so what we’re going to do is we’re going to make your brochure available…I would like you to pray for those that are listening that have more of the heart of Jesus, more of the compassion of Jesus.

Michelle:  Daddy I want to thank you for every single life that is listening right now Jesus right now Jesus, and I ask you to invade their present now, their place where they’re at with you presence God that you would wrap them up in your arms and you would cause them to come, to come so close to you where all they can see is Your face and Your eyes.  God I just ask that the heart and the love that you have been so gracious to give to me and this journey that you have led me on and this last ten years. God that you would cause many, many many in your bride to rise up and to step into that place God and to receive more of Your heart.  I thank You for opening hearts God to receive open heaven over their lives Jesus.  I thank You for those that are coming, I thank You for those that have Your heart give them more of who You are Jesus.  Give them more of Your fire, more of Your presence, more of You Holy Spirit come and show them who You are and let them never be the same.  (Laughing) let them never  be the same, God I pray for Your perfect love that drives out all fear Jesus and I ask that You would give them eyes to see, eyes to see the one person that You set in front of them today to love.  God that You would stretch their hearts to be able to contain more of Yours God.  I love You Jesus and I just want to bless those that have listen, those that are listening with Your presence and with just the realm of the supernatural of Your love God that You draw them into that place and they’d never ever be the same.

Sid:  One last thought.

Michelle:  Fall in love, (Laughing) fall in love with Jesus and let Him love you past the point of all return.

Sid:  Is there anything that this earth offers that’s a close second?

Michelle:  (Laughing) No!  (Laughing) Not a bit. (Laughing)

Sid:  We want everyone everywhere to be ready for the Messiah.  As most of you know I relocated the ministry to Charlotte, North Carolina. After I got here, just a few days after I got here, I have a cousin that is Jewish and not a believer in Jesus, comes from a strong Jewish background and I called her up and I said, “I’m in Charlotte.”  She said, “Well, Sid you might be interested in going to a wonderful debate between a conservative Jewish Rabbi and a Christian minister on the differences of the Jewish view of Messiah and the Christian view of Messiah.  I said, “That’s sounds wonderful.”  And I went to the debate and I have to tell you I could not believe my ears, I could not believe what the Jewish man had to say.  This rabbi, a Conservative rabbi, says he doesn’t believe that the book of Genesis is inspired by God.  Now if you take the book of Genesis and throw it out of the Bible then by the way I didn’t even think of what he thought about the rest of the Bible, but if the foundation of the Torah is thrown away what have you got in Judaism?  So I knew there was problem…and I knew that he’s Conservative, now if he’s reformed I could understand, but he’s a Conservative Rabbi.  Although I just recently in the paper and my guest by the way this week is Dr. Michael Brown who is also a Jewish believer in the Messiah.  He’s a Semitic language scholar; he has a PhD in near eastern languages and literature from New York University. And Mike I read in the papers that the Conservative Association has decided that homosexuals can now be Rabbis.

Michael:  They’ve done this in Israel actually, a Conservative is much closer to Reform these days.

Sid:  You know I don’t in my mind, I can’t…I still and my mind goes tilt when I hear a Conservative Rabbi say that a homosexual can be a Rabbi and be ordained, and that the Torah or the book of Genesis in particular isn’t even from God.  I mean what is Judaism anymore?

Michael:  You see once we set ourselves up as the ones who decide what’s inspired and isn’t and well this is outdated or outmoded or needs to be reinterpreted then we become the authorities and God is no longer the authority and who know where things will go next?

Sid:  Well, then so I listened to the Rabbi and my only conclusion inside not out loud was Oy Vey which loosely translated into English is Oy Vey.  That works the best.

Michael:  That works.

Sid:  That works too, and then the Christian minister gets up and he says “You know I love the Rabbi and the Rabbi’s me, and the only we’ll really know for sure who the Messiah is when He returns.  If it turns out to be the Jew Jesus than we’ll all be a one happy family.  And I think Oy Vey, which loosely translated means Oy Vey. What happens to the Jewish people who die before the Messiah returns?  So it’s sort of like a famous Rabbi I think you may know him, this famous rabbi said if a blind man leads another blind man won’t they both fall into the ditch.  The Christians was blind and the Jewish Rabbi was blind. I got so upset over this that when I found out about your new book, Dr. Michael Brown, I couldn’t wait  to orchestrate a debate between you and a Rabbi that’s probably considered one of the most well know Rabbis in the world.  He name is Rabbi Shmuley Boteach. He’s got a TV Show on the Learning Channel, it’s called Shalom in the Home, and what would happen if I had a real Messiah Jewish scholar and a real Rabbi debate who is Jesus?

Michael:  Yeah the thing that’s interesting, Rabbi Shmuley Boteach and I have known each other for about ten years.  We’ve had many debates and in the process of time have actually become really good friends, close friends and he wrote a book, came out earlier this year called “Kosher Jesus.”  And in his book he said, “Look we Jews need to reclaim Jesus, he was a great Rabbi.”

Sid:  I’ll tell you what, stop for one second, I want to hear what he said in his own words at the debate, let’s hear what Rabbi Shmuley Boteach thinks about Jesus.

Rabbi Shmuley Boteach debate excerpt:  Well, let me elaborate Jesus was a Jew. He was born a Jew, He lived as a Jew and He died as a Jew.  In fact He was killed for being a Jew. His religion that He practices throughout His life was Judaism; He kept the Sabbath.

Sid:  Okay, that was Rabbi Shmuley Boteach on who he thinks Jesus is, so Mike Brown came out with a book, after Rabbi Boteach came out with his, called “The Real Kosher Jesus.” Boteach’s  book is “Kosher Jesus” Mike’s book is “The Real Kosher Jesus.”  How do differ from Rabbi Boteach; Oy Vey and Oy Vey loosely means Oy Vey.  What a loaded question.

Michael:  See here’s the deal, I was really pleased that Shmuley wrote a book saying that Jews need to recover Jesus.  Yes, He was a great Jew, yes He was a great Torah teacher, yes He was called Rabbi there was not a formal title at that time, but the title of honor and respect Rabbi, my Master, My teacher.  We agree on that, we agree that much of His teaching has it’s roots in the Hebrew scriptures, and that He Himself lived a Torah observance life.  We agree on that but the most import fundamental things are the things that Shmuley misses.  He feels that Jesus died fighting against the Romans that He was a Freedom Fighter trying to lead a rebellion against the Romans believing for miraculous intervention to overthrow Rome.  I say the exact opposite, He came as a lamb, He didn’t come to launch a violent rebellion; we have seen what happens when religion gets violent that was not His purpose.  His purpose was to come and die as an atoning sacrifice to overcome evil with good to overcome hatred with love.  Not to establish a brand new religion called Christianity but to fulfill the promises to Moses and the prophets.  If you miss him as being the Messiah then you don’t understand why we’re still talking about Him 2,000 years later. There are plenty of famous Jewish Rabbis, there were plenty of Jewish Freedom Fighters.  We’re not talking about them around the world today, but we’re talking about this Rabbi Yeshua.  And here’s the most interesting thing Sid; Shmuley sent me the manuscript last year and said “Mike can you write an endorsement for it.”  And so I really thought “How can I write the endorsement on it, I differ with his main thesis, he attacks me in the book, but graciously he has fun very respectfully.”  But how can so I thought about it and I thought here’s what I’m going to do; I’m going to say while I passionately disagree with this this, this and this I’m so pleased to see an Orthodox Rabbi reclaiming Jesus, this is a fellow Jew and a Fellow Rabbi and you can call the book America’s Most Famous Rabbi Meets the Most Famous Rabbi of All Time,” and he used that endorsement.  Well in late January the book is scheduled to come out in Israel and then it’s going to come out in the United States.  As soon as word gets out about the book controversy starts rolling, Rabbis, Ultra Orthodox Rabbis’ don’t read the book, one ultra-Orthodox Rabbi puts out a band, no Jews are allowed to read this book.  Shmuley says that “I should split the royalty check after that publicity I’m going to get.” Well, any way January 18^th, a Wednesday night, I’m reading about the controversies, this books about to be released, and I get this tremendous burden in prayer that I’m suppose to say something, I’m suppose to speak into the midst of this.  I wake up the next morning it’s all over me, write your own book; write a book that will answer his and will be the most unique contribution to Jewish ministry, Jewish outreach that you’ve ever written and the most eye opening book for Christians you have ever written.

Sid:  Yeah, but I’m going to go a step further, when you read your book Mike, a Christian will now read the gospels and the book of Acts in a totally different light.  Most Christians read the New Testament, but they don’t understand the intricacies of the tensions that were going on between Paul and the Rabbis; between Jesus and the Rabbis.

Michael:  And this will put it in a context when they read a lot of Paul’s writings it’s going to open up to them.  So I get this burden write the book and get it out now.  And now here’s the funny thing Sid, I had the manuscript for months, suddenly out of the blue write this book, get it out now.  Well, through supernatural grace to write, I mean forcing myself to go to sleep at 5:00 in the morning, through supernatural work with the publisher.  From the day that I went to write the book to the day that the book came out and was in my hand was less than two and a half months.  Never experienced something like this so the “The Real Kosher Jesus” answers Shmuley; shows where he went wrong in some of his thinking and then takes the reader on a journey.   The subtitle is “Revealing the Mysteries of the Hidden Messiah.” We take the reader on a journey and unfold who Jesus the Yeshua really is.  Goes through some church history, how His real image has been obscured, and then ask the question, “Okay, is there a Kosher Jesus but un-kosher Christianity?  Did Paul change everything?”  We set the record straight and then open up the secrets, the secret of the hidden invisible God who can be seen and take the reader on this journey.

Sid:  You even deal with writings from famous Jewish people, from Jewish writings that are accepted by every Rabbi that really show that Jesus is the Messiah.

Michael:  Yeah, there’s the second chapter of the book I go through how more and more Jews are reclaiming Jesus.  I mean famous amazing statements from Einstein, from Martin Buber, from famous professors from Hebrew University, from Oxford University.  And they weren’t believers but they are like amazed with Jesus Yeshua is.

Sid:  Mike I have ask you a question and I don’t get this, but I want to know your spin; #1 I have observed the two of you together, there is a genuine affection, genuine which is hard to believe an Orthodox Jewish Rabbi, and a Messianic Jewish scholar; a genuine affection both ways not just one way.  Now how does he read your book?  How does he have a debate with you, multiple debates with you and not have a degree of doubt maybe orthodoxy is wrong maybe Jesus is my Messiah.  How can he do that?  I don’t get it?

Michael:  Well, let’s pray and hope that he does have doubts; I mean the fact is…

Sid:    But he puts the front up, if he does he doesn’t show it.

Michael:  Right and if he does I don’t know it either to be totally fair to him.  But here’s what I hope, I deal with…

Sid:  I’m sorry we’ll pick up here on tomorrow’s broadcast.

Sid:  The atmosphere in this studio, I’m speaking to Ryan Wyatt, the atmosphere has changed it’s a healing, it’s a miracle atmosphere.  I believe that anything Ryan or I speak out loud is going to happen.  For instance I heard that there are people with back problems if you will bend over you’ll see that you have no pain in your bank.  People with pains in your neck, if you’ll move your head you’ll see that there’s no pain in your neck.  There are people that can’t hear and I command the spirits of deafness to leave in Yeshua’s name right now, and I say hear in Jesus name; spirits of deafness you must leave now.  And Ryan tell me about, you’ve had many visitations from angels.  I have felt angels presence, I have been touched by angels primarily, tell me about one of your encounters with an angel.

Ryan:  I had an encounter with an angelic being and you know that are doubting things like this go back to the word of God and look at how many times God used His angels to release messages to his people and even to minister to Jesus Himself the angels would come.  So this is a common New Testament encounter for us today.  On this particular day an angel came to me, I was in my basement praying, and an angel came to me in a vision form and he had an open book in his hand.  And he was speaking to me Sid and it sounded all garbled, speaking like I should understand but it sounded like bleebleelbleep. I looked to the angel and I said, “I don’t understand.”  And the angel looked at me, and he said kind of with this look like you should understand and suddenly he blew on the book and the substance of this book, it was like a heavenly book I inhaled this substance, and suddenly something popped within me, and suddenly understanding took place, and I understood the angel and he said this to me.  He said, “There is coming an unprecedented release in this hour of an understanding of the language and the mysteries and the ways of heaven for those that would position themselves to understand it.”  And that is so true in this hour there is something taking place in the church, and many out there have been preached the gospel you know one day Jesus will come and take them to heaven.  But we’re in an hour where Jesus said to me said, “Ryan before I come for my church I will first come to them and through them to impact the world.”  There is what I would call a civil war coming to what we call the church Sid; this is just moving on me here.  It says in Ezekiel 44 there’s two kinds of priests, the one kind of priest the Lord come to them. He says, “Because your heart has drawn away from me and you’re not following after my path anymore.”  He says a scary thing Sid, he says “I’ll allow you to continue ministering.”  I’ll allow you to continue ministering in other words I’ll allow you to stay in the pulpit, I’ll allow your church to keep functioning,” but He said, “Because you are leading my people astray you will not come near my holy things.”  But then He speaks to the Zadok priesthood and you know we’re the priesthood today Sid, and He spoke to the Zadok priesthood and He said, “Because your heart has drawn near to Me, because you’re passionate about me I will allow you access into my most holy place and I will allow you to touch My most holy things.”  And He goes on to say, He said “And through you oh Zadok priesthood the world will once again discern the difference between the holy and the profane; and like in the days of Eli where the word of the Lord was rare and there was no wide spread revelation God raised up a Samuel.”  And there is a remnant within the organization that we call the church right now, there is a remnant that is the real body of Jesus Christ.  And they’re beginning to step into a place of intimacy and encounter with God.  And the ways and the mysteries of heaven are beginning to take place.  You know the key in Jesus life of moving in miracles is He simply said this He said, “I simply say what my Father is saying, and I simply do what I see my Father doing in heaven.”  Jesus was speaking to Nicodemus and he said “Nicodemus, oh teacher of the day, He said, even though I’m right here in front of you I’m also the Son of man who is in heaven.”   And there is coming a revelation in this day and this hours that every born again believer is a dual dimensional being.  Yes you’re a human being living in realm, but you are also a spiritual being with access to the heavenly realms right now in Jesus name, you are seated with Christ in heavenly places.  And for those of you listening, I believe right now that as I’m sharing this, just like that angel blew on that book from heaven there is a blowing, there is a wind that’s coming through this radio right now, there is a wind that’s coming through the airways, there is awakening that’s hitting your spirit.  There is an awakening that’s hitting your mind and you’re beginning to come into an understanding that you’re called to do more than just be a good Christian and have good character, as good as though things are.  You are called to be experience the supernatural living God daily like fresh manna from heaven.  And you’re called to have the goods of heaven, the miracle working power of Jesus Christ to give to every single person you come into contact with.

Sid:  Ryan tell me about the two month period of time where wherever you went people could not stand.

Ryan:  The glory of God came upon me Sid for two and half months I would go into restaurants, and they’d have to carry me out of restaurant after restaurant after restaurant.  There was a tangible glory that when I would walk into places people would begin to fall out under the power of God.  I would wake up in the morning and just say “Jesus and go into hours of day of encounters, and this was like an initiation act where God imitated me into the glory of God.  And just saturated me in this lifestyle of the supernatural, and that’s what it is Sid; it’s available for every single person every day.

Sid: You had a vision of gray ash, tell me about that.

Ryan:  Yeah, believers covered in the things of the world in the wilderness of the world, I saw people roaming around in the wilderness of this world, but suddenly they began to see a light going through a wall, going through a big stone wall.  And there was a little tiny doorway in this vision.  And you have to understand those of you who are listening things in the prophetic realm are often come in parables.  You know Jesus spoke in word pictures and vision pictures so the people could vision what was going on.  He told stories and so when you see visions they come in parables like this, and there was this little tiny door beckoning me into this place of light, but you know to get through that door Sid I had to get down on my knees.  And the Lord spoke to me and He said, “For those that are wanting to enter into my presence it’s time to humble yourself.”  Some of you listening you may be a theologian, you may be a Biblical scholar you know, but Jesus said in John 5 He said, “You search the scriptures for in them you think is eternal life, but it’s these very things that lead to Me but you are not willing to come to me.  There are some people that can quote the scripture back and forth, but we should be letting the word of God become a doorway into experiencing the living word, Jesus Christ Himself.  And as I began to get down on my knees and humble myself and hunger for God and I passed through that doorway I stepped into a realm of heavenly light where all the ash of the world began to come off.  And some of you that are listening you are born again, you have Jesus Christ living in you, but you have the ash of the word covering you and you have oppression and you have depression, but there is a light within you that is beckoning you, it’s the Holy Spirit, and He’s waiting for you to humble yourself and say “God I must have more of You, Amen.”

Sid:  And that’s the prayer of my heart and that’s the prayer of everyone that’s listening to us right now. Ryan what is God showing you right now?

Ryan:  Yeah, I see the creative realm coming right now, there are some of you that are listening to the radio right now and you need new organs in your body.  There are some of you have, your bone on bone in your knees, and you need new cartilage in your knees.  And there are some of you you have crippled limbs, and you have parts of your body where the cartilage is just gone, you have severe pain. Right now I speak to the creative atmosphere of heaven, that creative cloud of heaven coming right now, I speak new cart ledge between your joints in the name of Jesus.  I speak the formation of new eyeballs right now, of new eardrums, new organs coming into your body.  Some of you in fact I see right now there are people that are on the books you are scheduled for surgery to have work on your organs for transplants, and right now I just decree in the name of Jesus you’re not going to need the surgery you need to go get your body checked out because there are new organs being created right now in Jesus Christ name.

Sid:  We are getting ready Mishpochah to be activated in the glory cloud; it’s a new day, it’s a new season.  And you know the wineskin we have that we call church it just can’t contain the glory that’s coming on planet earth.  I have never seen so many miracles in my life. I have to tell you I’m speaking to Ryan Wyatt and I’m provoked to jealousy in this young man; this is normal for him to see all of these miracles that are occurring.  Ryan, take me back to the first trance that you ever had.

Ryan:  Yeah this trance Sid speaks a message and I’ll tell you the message is this and I’ll tell you the encounter.  So many people have been preached the gospel that says to them “Get your bus ticket to heaven.”  And many of you that are listening right now, maybe that’s the gospel you heard, that’s all you heard “Get your bus ticket to heaven and just live a good life, and one day when Jesus comes back in the rapture you’ll be taken to heaven.”

Sid:  And also attend the church where the major emphasis is fellowship and food.

Ryan:  And that’s right, be faithful with your tithe, be faithful with your offering and all of these kind of things, and some of them are very noble things Sid. That is only a fraction of the gospel. It’s kind of like getting your ticket to the theme park, but going into the foyer area of the theme park area and hanging around, but never getting on the ride.  And you know God has destined us to live a life on earth as it is in heaven.  And it’s for us now, it’s not for when we die and go to heaven. We have an opportunity to impact the earth with heaven now.  In this encounter was the first trance I ever had.  For those of you listening a trance is not actually an experience, a trance is a state of being, you know when Peter was in a trance he saw a vision.  So a trance is like a Holy Spirit anesthetic, like when you got to the dentist they numb your mouth so that they can go in and do work.  A trance is a state of being where God numbs you in a sense so that He can give you a vision.   And in this encounter I was taken to a garden to a massive garden, and I was at the edge of this garden.  I was laying in this bed of roses and the wind was whipping around as the Holy Spirit came and it was a time of intimacy. Many people even in the charismatic stream they’ve touched that to some degree that level of intimacy, and it was awesome I loved it.  But as I was laying there I began to look outside the garden and it was full of pestilence and drought and disease and there was bombs hitting, buildings; there was bombed out buildings that people we dying and it was just, you know the world was just being devastated.  And the Lord spoke to me and He said I have a greater purpose for you it’s time to go deeper.  And right now in the body of Christ He’s saying the same, it maybe some of you are in a place where you have a day to day lifestyle of intimacy with God, but even then God is saying “It’s time to go deeper.”  And so the Lord spoke to me and said, “Get up and go into the center of the garden.”  And so I remember stepping into the center of the garden and there was a big pool of water. I got into this pool of water and I went beyond the realm of intimacy into a place of Divine union where the nature of God and my nature were becoming one, the water was just seeping into me, soaking into me, the glory was just soaking in.  And I began to see people from outside in the draught, they began to come into the garden. As they would step into the waters there bodies would be healed, bones were popping back into place and deaf ears were opening and new eyeballs were coming.  And it was just this creative realm of heaven and the Lord suddenly spoke to me and He said, “Now Ryan it’s time to take it out.”  And as I began to step outside of the garden, this is so powerful Sid, is that in the intimacy realm of God, in the glory realm of God.  You then become a carrier of that glory and it is our destiny to carry that glory on the earth just as Adam did before the fall.  And as I stepped out into the desert land everywhere I would step that would turn into a pool of water just like in the garden.  When I would walk into bombed out buildings, vegetation would begin to grow; when I would encounter people with disease, and broken, and wounded, and emotionally fractured they would begin to be healed, and the bones would pop into place.  Just as if they had walked into the garden.  And God has a destiny, and a calling, and a mission, and a purpose on the body of Christ to be that living habitation of God on the earth. When the people of the world interact with us they experience on earth as it is in heaven.

Sid:  Ryan, let’s whet our appetite because you’re seeing this you’re not talking theory you’re talking what you are seeing with your eyes.  For instance you were in Detroit and tell me about the person with the steel rod.

Ryan:  Oh, steel rods, there was a person with two steel rods in their legs.  They had been in a serious car accident and there leg bones were literally taken out, and steel rods were put in place.  They had no more knees, they could not bend their knees at all just solid steel legs, steel in their hips, steel in their feet and in a moment in an atmosphere of the glory the metal completely disappeared.  And I said to them, do something you could never do before and they tried to bend their legs and for the first time in so many years they had brand new knees, they had  brand new leg bones, all the metal was gone they bent their knees perfectly.

Sid:  Now with a steel rod in their knee how does someone bend their knee?

Ryan:  God supernaturally is removing metal Sid, it is an incredible thing; removing metal and putting the bone, and the cartilage, and the tissue back into place.

Sid:  Well, we have some people listening to us that are so hungry for God and I know that God has used you to activate people for a release of the fire of God, the glory of God, the miracle mantle.  Would you pray for people now?

Ryan:  For those of you that are listening right now I pray I pray that as you have heard me speaking I pray that you have become so jealous for God.  My hearts cry is that this would drive you to jealousy that you be so hungry because I want to tell you right now, the Holy Spirit is jealous for you.  And I just want to pray over you the tangible glory of God to come upon you right now where you are and to begin to activate.  I pray a fire would burn in your bones.  Father right now in the name of Jesus Christ for those that are listening over the radio right now I pray for your tangible glory to come right now even as I just feel it right now moving through the radio airwaves right now in the name of Jesus. Just like that glory cloud overshadowed Mary and there was a transaction that took place something of heaven was deposited in her life.  Right now I speak the release of the realm of heaven onto your spirit, your soul, your body an activation of the fire of God.  I pray that the word of the Lord would begin to rise up from within you, and in fact right now I speak to your spirit man.  Some of you I sense right now your spirit man has been cluttered; your spirit man has been closed up; that place within you where that river of God is flowing at all times it has been cluttered; the well has been stopped.  And right now I speak to the spirit man of the people that are listening and I say “Come alive in the name of Jesus.”  I command that well to be unstopped in the name of Jesus Christ, I command that river to be unstopped and to flow freely your spirit man being activated right now in the name of Jesus.  I speak explosion of God in your spirit man like you have never felt before as the tangible electricity is just touching you right now and beginning to heal you, beginning to activate the fire of God in you right now in Jesus name.

Sid:  And there’s someone who has either pain in their hip, or may even need hip replacement in Jesus name you are healed.  And there’s someone else who’s back you have back pain, it’s gone, test it you’ll see. If you don’t test it right now you will miss the moment of your visitation.  Wherever you are to pull over to the side of the road or bend over right now, but there’s a mighty presence of God’s healing miracle anointing in hips right now in Jesus name.  Has God shown you anything else Ryan?

Ryan:  There’s someone with fibromyalgia you have chronic pain in your body, fibromyalgia all throughout your body I rebuke it right now, I command that fibromyalgia to go in the name of Jesus.  There’s also someone else you need a creative miracle in your eyes.  Right now I speak that creative miracle in your eyes right now in the name of Jesus.  There’s another person, I see the Lord flushing your blood system, you have a disease in your blood and I see the Holy Spirit coming right now like a waterfall, and flushing through your blood system right now.  You’re going to feel a vibration of heaven going right through your body and you need to go to the doctors and get your blood tested again because I believe you are going to be supernaturally healed in Jesus name.

Sid:  Ryan we’re making available this week your four CD teaching series called “How to Bring Heaven to Earth in Your Life,” not in someone else’s life, in your life.  What would be accomplished when someone sits under this teaching; what is happening to people that sit under this teaching?

Ryan:  It’s going to stir a hunger in them but it’s also going to begin to give them some keys of how to enter into that into that lifestyle.  We’ve had many people that have listened to this series and have begun to have encounters themselves where before they never had them.  We’ve had others that have been physically healed as they’ve listened because just like when Jesus spoke He said, “My words are Spirit and life.”  The Spirit and life of Jesus is tangible on those CD’s, many people have received their miracle listening.

Sid:  We want every where to breathe the rarefied air of heaven, we want everyone to be normal.  My guest is normal his name is Ryan Wyatt, and I’m making available his four CD teaching series “How to Bring Heaven to Earth in Your Life.” When he speaks there is a supernatural impartation of hunger for you to have greater intimacy with God.  And Ryan this is the moment to have that greater intimacy with God, but on yesterday’s broadcast we were talking about this and I said “I want you to get a little practical.”  You talked about hungering for God, and then when you’re by yourself perhaps soaking, listening to music. What do you do when your mind starts wandering, what do you focus your mind on when you’re going after intimacy with God?

Ryan:  There’s a number of things you can do, I pray in tongues a lot, I pray in the Spirit a lot because it activates my spirit man and causes my mind to be overridden.  And another thing I do is I begin to give my imagination, give my vision center over to the Lord, you know my mind’s eye, I give it over the Lord.  He gave us an imagination for Him to fill, not for the enemy to fill. So I will go through stories in the Bible of supernatural encounters all throughout the Bible.  Ezekiel experiencing the four living creatures and you know the whirlwind of fire and things like that. I’ll fill my mind with those kinds of things and just worship the Lord.  I praise, I sow into the heavens with praise and with worship and as I begin to fill my mind with heavenly things God begins to then activate my senses from the heavenly realm, and I began to experience the realities of His kingdom right in that moment.

Sid:  Tell me about the man that was paralyzed for thirty-seven years in his right leg.

Ryan:  Thirty-seven years, what an incredible miracle Sid this happened just two weeks ago when I was ministering.  I had done a miracle service and had been taking testimonies for about forty-five minutes; people were coming off their oxygen tanks, crippling arthritis being healed.  I suddenly felt something move into the atmosphere, I felt the angel of the Lord come into the atmosphere of the glory of God; I went to a whole other level, and I stopped and turned to the crowd and I said, “The glory of God just came in another level.”  And I tell you Sid I feel even right now as we’re talking about it the glory of God coming for creative miracles and that’s what I felt come into the room.  And I said, “Some of you can be healed right where you’re sitting.”  And suddenly a woman began to scream, and the crowd just went nuts, they were throwing their hands up into the air and clapping and shouting and I said, “What’s going on, bring that lady up here.”  And she was screaming Sid because her husband thirty-seven years ago the doctors did a surgery on his back and they completely severed the nerves to his right leg.  Now his right leg had been completely dead for thirty-seven years, no feeling whatsoever completely paralyzed and it had turned into what they would call a twig leg, it was only two or three inches around hardly any muscle on it whatsoever and in the atmosphere of the glory of God he tapped his wife on the shoulder, his wife looked over and brand new muscle was exploding in his leg.  His leg instantly thickened and grew to about the same thickness of his good leg; feeling came back into his leg for the first time in thirty-seven years.  He stood up and walked as if nothing had ever happened before.

Sid:  Now the title of your four CD series that we’re making available “How to Bring Heaven to Earth in Your Life.” Do you believe everyone listening can walk in that type of miracle anointing, can walk in that type of intimacy with God; can walk in seeing the invisible world as if it’s more real than the world we’re in, which is a true statement?

Ryan:  In fact it is the destiny, the purpose and the mandate of every single believer to live in this realm.  It was never meant for just the fivefold ministry to do, it was meant for every single believer to live an intimate lifestyle with God and to move in this kind of power.  You know there’s an army rising up Sid kind of like Peter and John.  When Peter and John healed the man that was lame at the gate, you know the Sanhedrin was furious with them and they were brought before the Sanhedrin, and the Sanhedrin looked at them and they made one statement that always has touched me.  They were furious they wanted to kill them, they wanted to take them to jail but they looked at them and they said, “One thing we can tell you have been with Jesus.”  And there is an army of people right now God wants every believer to be able to say “I have been with Jesus.”

Sid:  But you know the whole system works against what you’re talking about.  We have a super star system.  You go to the paid professional if you want someone healed, you go the paid professional if you want to be taught, you go to the paid professional if you want to worship.  Are those days over?

Ryan:  They are so over Sid, in fact God is going to tear that system down.  For those that are ministers that are listening, God called the fivefold ministry not to lord over the saints, but to undergird the saint.  In Ephesians 4 it talks about leadership in the church undergirding the saints and raising them up and equipping them for ministry.  The only way the kingdom is going to touch the world is when people in every highway and byway, and the marketplace, and the stores, and the banks, and the lawyer’s office, and the schools are moving in miracles, signs and wonders, it’s for every believer.

Sid:  You know I’m reminded of the Ten Commandments have been taken out of the school, but they can’t take the students out of the school that are so filled with the Holy Spirit.  Tell me about the time you were prayed for nothing happened and you went into a restaurant.

Ryan:  Yeah, went into a restaurant in Florida nothing had happened I had just been prayed for I was so hungry for God. I was sitting there talking and the tangible glory of God invaded the restaurant.  Literally came over my body, my speech began to slur, I couldn’t even see straight, my eyelids began to close, I’m talking about the weighty glory of God.  You know there was a time in the Bible where the priests said “The glory was so thick the priests could not even stand to minister,” and that was the kind of glory that came.

Sid:  But what is going to happen in some high school in America when this glory invades the classroom?

Ryan:  Oh, it’s going to happen; miracles are going to pop.  You know that the Lord told me Sid?  He told me that before He comes; everyone in the church has this rapture mentality that we’re just supposed to hang on until Jesus comes and takes us out.  But the Lord Jesus spoke to me and He said, “Before I come for my bride I’m first going to come to them and through them to impact the world, He told me that He’s going to take the church from the corner of the world field and place us in the center of the world stage before He sets foot on this earth again.”  And He’s going to invade the schools, he’s going to invade the workplaces, there is going to be such incredible miracles that nobody will be able to deny.  There’s a creative realm of miracles where limbs are going to grow out, new eyeballs are going to form, and it’s happening on a smaller scale now, but it’s going to be happening so widely through so many everyday people.  No one will be able to deny, people will begin coming to the church the same way that they go to doctors.

Sid:  You know a lot of people are kind of, they’ve just kind of given up on healing, they’ve been prayed for so many times and they haven’t been healed. They’re moving more towards the seeker sensitive life because it just hasn’t worked in the charismatic churches.

Ryan:  Well, you know many in the charismatic church have even put the Holy Spirit even in the charismatic church they’ve put the Holy Spirit into a model and into a system.  And you know there’s no system, there’s no model to the Holy Spirit every single day it’s a fresh encounter, every single day He’s going to move.

Sid:  Listen with this new anointing that’s on planet earth I have never seen so many miracles in my life it’s a new season in God.

Ryan:  Absolutely, absolutely. It’s a new day and something is being birth in the earth that will never end.  There’s a birthing that’s taking place and you know it says in Romans 8 “That even the earth itself is groaning for the sons of God to be revealed.”  And they are beginning to be revealed, the supernatural army in the earth.  Just like Israel when Israel would come up alongside another nation this other nation might not have loved Israel, might not have like Israel, but they had a healthy respect and a fear of the Lord because they said, “Aren’t you the nation that where God dwells in your midst?”  And they are beginning to say that again about a remnant on the earth that are carrying His glory.

Sid:  You know Ryan I look at what’s going on in the political process in America the high percentage of American’s that have literally unbiblical views.  I look at terrorism, I look at natural disasters, I look at the price of oil, I look at the food shortages going on in the world.  If there isn’t a move of God’s Spirit we’re in big trouble!

Ryan:  Absolutely, it’s the only answer; the substance of heaven is the only answer.