On It’s Supernatural: Julie True is releasing the sounds of heaven through the music that God gives her. When people hear Julie’s music, they experience peace and rest. The supernatural becomes normal, and many experience the presence of angels.

Do angels exist? Are healing miracles real? Is there life after death? Can people get supernatural help from another dimension? Has the future been written in advance? Sid Roth has spent 25 years researching the strange world of the supernatural. Join Sid on this edition of It’s Supernatural.

SID: Hello, Sid Roth here. Welcome to my world, where it’s naturally supernatural. I had an experience with Julie True. I was interviewing her on radio, and after I interviewed her, there was a tangible… I don’t mean just something in my mind, I mean tangible. You could touch it. It was peace. She has found that when she sings, there’s like a portal from heaven coming to earth, flooding people. In this world, the way… I mean just be human. Just breathe a few times and you’ll find challenges in this world. Challenges in the economy. Challenges with traffic. Challenges with family. Challenges with finance. Just plain challenges.

If you could just bask in that presence… It’s the presence of God, is what it is. Julie, I don’t think you can answer this question, but I have to ask you anyway. How come this happens when you sing?

JULIE: When I get quiet and still and start to sing, I always feel the peace of God.

SID ROTH: You know what’s so amazing? It’s sort of like, every one of us has gifts inside of us. Like the last thing in the world I ever wanted to do was be on television behind a microphone. Absolute last thing in the world. But, through circumstances, I found myself in that position. But it’s almost as if we get sabotaged in our gifting before we even know we have the gifting. Now Julie, when you went to church and wanted to use – I mean you’re a fabulous musician – you wanted to use an instrument to worship God, what did they tell you?

JULIE: That was not allowed. The way I grew up, it was believed that it was not pleasing to God; that under the New Testament, instruments were not part of that, because it said to sing and make melody in your heart to the Lord.

SID: We had a Hebrew word that explains what you’re saying right now. You know what that Hebrew word is? Mashuga. It means crazy. You’ve got to be crazy. The whole purpose is for us to have intimacy with God and worship God. Your CD, your music – I’m going to use an expression the teens use – is hot.

I mean literally so hot, there was this woman in Canada who got this particular CD before she even…

Now this is hot, before she even… Well, I’ll let you hear it in her words. Let’s go to that.

When I went down to get the mail, there was only one package. As soon as I just opened the corner,

I didn’t even see the CD, the cover of it or anything, the power of God came on me really strong.

I nearly fell on the floor. I was able to get to the chair, to fall on the chair rather than the floor.

I started to weep. It was so incredibly beautiful, it was like a pure and holy weeping. It wasn’t a painful, sorrowful weeping, it was like a healing weeping. I dashed into the living room and put it on my CD player, and when I started to praise the Lord, something else incredible happened to me. I was praising God in a way I never praised God before. It wasn’t in words, but it was in the sound of my voice. It was so different. I knew there were angels. I knew the room was full of angels, and I was kind of afraid to open my eyes,

because the presence of God was all over me. I just felt the love of God, the peace of God, and I just felt so comforted.

SID: Now when you hear that, Julie, that is wild.

JULIE: That is wild. She hadn’t even heard it yet. I mean she had not started playing it yet.

SID: The thing that I find when I listen to your music, I feel so peaceful, I feel so restful. Do you hear this from other people?

JULIE: Yes. Peace and rest, helping people sleep, babies being able to sleep. That’s a big part of the kind of feedback I’ve gotten.

SID: On this CD, you can bottle it, it’s so tangible. You’re going to hear this and experience it for yourself.

SID: A key to understanding the move of God’s spirit is found in the Book of Corinthians, in which God says, “First the natural and then the spiritual.” Watch what God does in the natural. It always has a repercussion on the spiritual. Let me give you some examples. All these major revivals that I’m about ready to tell you about, the biggest the world has ever known, all connected with Israel. For instance, 1897 was the first Zionist Congress. A Zionist believes the Jewish people are entitled to the physical Land of Israel unconditionally, forever. The first Zionist, let’s get it straight, was God, not Theodore Herzl. Right after that came Azusa Street and the Pentecostal revival. 1948, Israel became a nation. You know what happened in ’48? Men and women were touched by the Spirit of God and had tents all over America. Oral Roberts. T.L. Osborn, Kenneth Hagen, all of these people, just raised up instantly. 1967, Jerusalem in Jewish possession. You know what happened? You know what that triggered? Nothing short of the charismatic revival. Isaiah 43:19, and I feel this so strongly, “For I’m about to do something new. See, I’ve already begun. Do you not see it?” What has he begun? The one new man. Let me explain this to you. John 17:21: “And they,” that’s Jew and gentile, “all may be one.” Some people say “they” is Catholics and Baptists, except for one thing. When Jesus said that, they didn’t exist. There were only two people groups: Jews and gentiles. So Jesus said, “I pray that they,” Jews and gentiles, “may be one.” What’s the repercussion? That the world may believe. Somehow it’s a catalyst when these two people groups get together. Their spiritual DNA merges. I’m getting a little ahead of myself because I’m getting excited. You know what happens when these two spiritual DNAs merge? John 17:21, I just read to you. John 17:22, it tells you what happens. Jesus says, “The same glory that is on you will be on them.” You want to see that same glory on you? I want to see that same glory. Ephesians, Chapter 2, Verse 14 and 15, and 22: “For he himself is our peace who has made both Jew and gentile one and is broken down the middle wall of separation.” You see, there was a separation between Jews and gentiles. So here it is in Ephesians 2. I just read 14, 15. Here’s Verse 22: “In whom you also are being built together for a dwelling place of God in the Spirit.” And in Verse 15 it says, “And so as to create in himself one new man from the two, thus making peace.” The Hebrew word for “peace” is completeness. So it’s saying when that occurs, we’re going to make a complete dwelling place of God for God by His spirit. You see the repercussions of what I’m saying about? Now Psalm 122:6, you can understand a major promise. It’s the only city in all of Scripture God commands us to pray for with a special blessing if you’ll do that. He says, “Pray for the peace of Jerusalem.” What’s the Hebrew word for peace? Shalom. What does shalom mean? Completeness. What is completeness? Jew and gentile being one in the Messiah. “Pray for the completeness of Jerusalem.” And it makes a promise, as if we need a promise for this. But God says, “May they,” who’s they, “Jew and gentle prosper.” And in the Hebrew prosper means “heart peace”. How would you like this day and age we’re living in, how would you like heart peace? God says, if you pray for these two people to become one you’re going to have heart peace. That’s His promise to you. Ezekiel 47:9 says in the Amplified, and it’s talking about the River of God, and it says, “Wherever the double river shall go every living creature shall live.” What’s the double river? Jew and gentile. One in Messiah. One in Yeshua. Wherever that double river goes people are going to live. Romans 11:15 says, “If their being castaway is the reconciling of the world, what will their acceptance be but life from the dead.” I believe we’re about on the cutting edge of the greatest move of God’s spirit to cause Jewish people to come to know him, to form the one new man for the release of the greatest miracles the world has ever seen, life from the dead miracles, resurrection life miracles, limbs being restored. That’s what we’re about ready to see. Are you ready to see that? I’m ready to see that. I’m ready to see. Jesus said, “You are going to do the same works that I have done and even greater.” This is the greater. You ready? I’m ready.

SID: Hello. Sid Roth here. Welcome to my world where it’s naturally supernatural. It’s so good to have a studio audience. My guest, David Herzog, his father is Jewish. And at 13, he had a Bar Mitzvah like no Bar Mitzvah you’ve ever seen. It wasn’t fountain pens. It wasn’t all a big party. He had a visitation from the Messiah of Israel and he was commissioned to teach on the Glory. He understood by going to Heaven what the Glory or the manifest presence of God, is—when God invades a place. He got revelation of this and he’s known, it’s interesting. It was…the word “glory” was mentioned in his visitation and that’s what he’s known for teaching throughout the world. When he teaches on the Glory, and I can tell you I’m an eye witness to this, this isn’t second hand. I literally was sitting in front of a woman with grey hair and all of a sudden I saw brown hair start just radiating from her. Throughout the course of the night it was turning browner and browner. I have seen people lose weight instantly in this glory realm. People, now this I haven’t seen, but I got reports of people that did not have hair, hair would come out. People that had metal in their body, the metal would turn to bone. David Herzog, now this is absolutely ridiculous. We have in the studio audience a man that had a meeting just a couple of weeks ago, invited you to speak and they kept adding up the total of the offering they took. And the reason they kept adding it up is it kept getting larger. This should not happen.

DAVID: It’s a great problem to have when you have to keep counting.

SID: I mean, how would you like to count your money every night and see it multiply. Are there any accountants out there? That will blow your mind. So David, tell me this encounter you had at Bar Mitzvah age.

DAVID: I was 13 years old at this youth camp and they said, “Who wants the Holy Spirit?” I said, “I do. I do.”

Man 1: Alright then, guys, let’s get up and walk this way.

DAVID: I ran up there, waiting in the line. And this guy in front of me starts crying before we got to the front to get prayer. And I said, “Why are you crying? Does it hurt?” He goes—

“No. It feels great.”

DAVID: I thought it hurt because he was crying.

Boy: It feels great.

DAVID: Why would a guy cry unless it hurts. So I waited. Suddenly this warmth came on my body and I started crying, and I felt this pure liquid love. And suddenly I was taken to Heaven and I saw the thrones of God, I saw the Father, the son. And suddenly this voice came out and said, “You’re going to travel for my glory.” And I was just, I think all night I was praying in tongues, which is a foreign language from Heaven, and I couldn’t stop praying. And I knew from that day something changed my life when I saw Heaven.

SID: Tell me the first miracle of note that occurred after this experience.

DAVID: I was asked to teach a little group of young people. They were like maybe seven or eight years old on a Sunday morning. So I taught them from this manual that they gave me. I got kind of bored teaching from the manual. So I kind of went off the script. And I said, “Listen, kids, let’s just pray for someone that’s sick. Don’t tell the pastor because I might get in trouble. But let’s just pray and see what happens. Don’t tell him I didn’t follow the weekly thing because they might not like that.” And so a little girl comes out and says, “Look at my leg, it’s so short compared to the other one. I’ve got scoliosis.” And I said, “Sure, let’s pray for that and see what happens.” And I closed my eyes, and my first miracle, and her leg instantly began to grow out, and the kids began screaming, “Look at her leg!” And I opened my eyes and her leg had grown out, but I had missed watching my first miracle.

SID: That’s okay. You’ve had many since. So David literally goes to Bible school and then he hears God tell him to go to France. Now I have to tell you, if I was picking countries, no offense for those watching us right now in France, I would not have picked France. That is a graveyard for people that talk about God. And so David, no one knows him, would you believe he had the longest standing revival move of God’s spirit in France in 50 years. But he had to get a revelation from God on how to have this move of God’s spirit in this graveyard, so to speak. What did God tell you?

DAVID: I remember when that revival hit right before I said, “God, I’m so desperate. I’m so hungry.” I took time off. I began to seek the Lord, to pray. But one of the things God showed me when I was in France, I said, “Lord, how do we touch this country? It’s so hard.” He said to me, I went on a fast, and He said during the fast, “Here’s the secret. You do what Paul did.” Paul was the expert on touching the Roman Empire, which is Europe. He said, “He went to the Jew first.” And He says, “I go to the Jew first to make them jealous and win some of them.” And in return God would magnify His ministry to the gentiles. It says it right there: “I magnify my ministry to the gentiles by making the Jews jealous and saving some.” So I went to Israel. I led 13 people to the Lord. When I got back I had non-stop revivals for the next five years every single week.

SID: What types of things did you see happen?

DAVID: Crazy things. In that revival a girl was picked up off the ground 13 centimeters, lifted and floated in the air. During the revival she was weeping for souls. She flipped over like a pancake and she was heavyset, too, a heavy-weight girl, so it was even a bigger miracle. And she stayed there for a few seconds, went back down on the ground. At that moment—

SID: Wait a second. If she was 90 pounds that would have been a big miracle.

DAVID: And at that moment all these young people ran up to be saved and demons are coming out of them. And that launched that six-month revival, which was the longest running in 50 years in one place.

SID: When we come back you’re going to find out how everything speeds up in the Glory. You’re going to find out, as a matter of fact, I believe that some of you are going to actually, and I’m hearing it, are going to get gold teeth from Heaven. Has this happened in many of your meetings?

DAVID: It happens almost every week.

SID: Hold that thought. We’ll be right back.

SID: You know, many religious people, they’re used to going to a congregation and having a few songs and then the announcement, and then the offering, and then the message, and then lunch. But Roy Fields, you will worship sometimes for two hours. And you said to me that there is such, the atmosphere so changes, that it activates the promises of God without you even saying anything, just in that worship. Tell me about the person that had a burn on a leg.

ROY: I was in a meeting a few years back, and this 15-year old kid approached the stage and he had a bad fire scar on like his leg. And in the middle of worship, he screamed out, he felt pain again in that leg. And when he lifted it up the scar had disappeared, and he came up and showed everybody. I’ve been a skeptic, even as a Christian, because you want to see the real. When I saw that, I went, okay.

SID: What would you do?

ROY: It got my attention.

SID: All right. This amazes me. In four different locations, four different children saw the same thing. What did they see?

ROY: Well we were here in a meeting. I know what you’re referring. We were in meetings. We had about 8000 people in the arena, and these four different children with their parents, from four different states, as you said, came to the back of the table to tell me a message. One of them was on video. The other three were told to me by our staff. And they all said, while I was leading worship, that there was a huge angel standing behind me with a big sword, and it was on fire, and he was just waving it like this. I have never seen an angel. But when all four say that, I don’t have to.

SID: Okay. Tell me about this song, because I happen to love it. It’s the song, how did “In the Presence of Angels” happen?

ROY: Well I was in a house in Destin, Florida, and a boat captain was there, his house. I had done a meeting in his house. And at the end of the night after the meeting was over I was still caught up in worship. Everybody had gone home. I don’t sleep much, Sid. I don’t get a lot of sleep. My mind, my heart, my spirit is always going. In the middle of the night, I was just worshiping the Lord by myself, wasn’t trying to write a song. I don’t try to write a song. And in the middle of worship, once again, I heard this melody. I heard [singing] da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da. [talking] I mean, I just, I didn’t have a huge vision, but I could picture it in my mind, as they say, you have your mind’s eye. I pictured this massive throne room with angels, and I mean multitudes and multitudes of angels were just like dancing in this kind of order. It was kind of like ballroom dancing, except not with partners. It was just everybody and it was all to God. And it was [singing] Holy, holy, holy, worthy, glory, glory [talking] over and over. I must have sang in the middle of the—until, I don’t know, three o’clock in the morning. I looked down at my watch. I had been at the keyboard for two and half hours. I wasn’t even aware of the time.

SID: You know, I could listen to that song for hours.

ROY: I have.

SID: I’m sure. I want to release you to sing, “In the Presence of Angels” and I want to release you to be freer than you’ve ever been before, because I believe you are in the presence of angels.

Roy [music, singing] This is a realm of your glory. This is a realm of your grace. I can feel your mighty power. It is moving in this place. We’re in the presence of angels with God’s glory on their wings. Like the voice of many waters I can hear the angels sing, singing holy, holy, holy, holy, holy, holy, holy, holy, holy, holy. This is a realm of your glory. This is a realm of your grace. I can feel your mighty power. It is moving in this place. We’re in the presence of angels with God’s glory on their wings. Like the voice of many waters I can hear the angels sing, singing holy, holy, holy, holy, holy. You are worthy, worthy. You are worthy, worthy. Show us your glory, glory.

SID: I don’t know what’s going on with you, but I can tell you the presence of God is just penetrating me when Julie sings. It’s almost like in the invisible world your music is going into people. Your words are going into people. You told me, in the barn years you learned to lose yourself in the Spirit. What is that? What does that mean to you, lose yourself in the Spirit? What goes on?

JULIE: Well as soon as I sit down at the keyboard and begin to sing, it’s like I enter another realm and everything else in the world that I’m worried about just falls away. And I love that place. It’s like there’s no place like being in God’s presence. It’s peace. It’s rest. It’s freedom.

SID: Doesn’t it amaze you that you get all of these reports in of what’s going with people, and all you’re doing is letting them know what you do when you lose yourself in His presence.

JULIE: Yeah, I know. It is incredible.

SID: Tell me about one person’s marriage that was healed.

JULIE: Well there was a couple that they had, there had been betrayal on both parts. And the husband decided to start soaking, and he just played my music day and night. And he said that it just softened his heart, and he was able to forgive, and ultimately there was reconciliation. But I think that’s a lot of what soaking does. It just, it soaks off all of the hard places on your heart when you soak in the presence of God, and you know, you go into a different realm that is outside of what your mind might tell you to do, and it gives the Spirit of God time to work.

SID: Tell me briefly about that salesman.

JULIE: Oh yeah. That was cool.

SID: This music takes care of every problem, it seems. Tell me about it.

JULIE: Yeah. This lady was telling about her husband who had taken a part time sales job, and he was really uncomfortable and intimidated by what he was asked to do. And so he started playing my music while he went out on sales calls, and started having incredible sales. He ultimately was hired full time, and he became the top salesperson in their business. And when people would ask him, what’s your secret, he would say, “I played Julie True’s music.” And they were like, who? And so it was pretty amazing.

SID: Your heart is to go deeper into God’s love. Is that really what you’re goal is?

JULIE: Yeah. Because I feel like the core, the thing, the anchor to our whole soul is knowing that we’re loved by God. And if we don’t spend time with Him we don’t know how much he loves us. And the more that you get to know Him and understand how much He loves you, the more that you want to worship Him, and the more time you want to spend with Him. And so, I love that.

SID: Well I want you to lose yourself in the spirit right now. And I want you to hear Julie True, “Where the Waters Flow”. And my Bible says, in Ezekiel, “Wherever the waters flow there’s healing.” Julie True.

Julie [music, singing]: I want to go deeper, Lord into your love tonight. I want to go deeper, Father, into your love tonight. I want to go deeper, Father, into your love tonight. I want to go down to where the waters flow, go to where the waters flow. I want to go deeper, deeper, deeper where the waters flow, where the water seeps into every crack and crevice in my heart. I want to go deeper. I want to go deeper, Lord, into the heart of love, my Father’s love for me. I want to live out of your love for me. Deeper, Lord, deeper Lord, deeper Lord. Oh let the water rise, let the water rise. Let the river rise up in thee. Oh…

SID: My guest, Steve Hill is so hungry for God, he went to the various moves of God throughout the world and he received the same thing these great men and women of God had. And he went to a church, a single church in Pensacola, Florida, and from all over the world, because the word got out, the power of God was there, four million people came to that one single church. Well the devil tried to knock him out. He was on his deathbed. He was preparing the funeral arrangements. And a great miracle happened and he also was given, at that time, a vision. It was like he could see it happening, and it is what is about ready to happen to Planet Earth that he literally feels everyone must understand this vision. Hello. I’m here with Steve Hill, and I’m looking at almost like his rap sheet. At age 10, his dad starts him drinking beer, alcohol. By 12, 13, he’s into hard drugs, injecting drugs into his veins, arrested 13 times. You know, when I read about myself I can’t believe that that was me. You must feel the same way about yourself. That’s not even you.

STEVE: It’s a miracle that all of us are alive and that we made it through it. You know, one of my favorite things to do when I’m in my hometown area, when I would witness to like young men and women that are involved in drugs and alcohol, I would take them, of course if it was a girl, I would take them to somebody else to the graves of my dead friends. And I would talk to them about Carlos. I’d talk to them about Billy. I’d say Billy was 19. You’ll meet a similar fate if you do the same by using those drugs. And I would witness because no one ever believes it’s going to happen to them. No one ever believes. The devil comes to steal, kill and destroy. But he’s patient. He’ll take you on a journey. If he can finally get you there and drop into Hell, that’s his final goal, and it’s a goal he had for my life.

SID: He had a total transformation, and as a result, he had, first of all, there was a key that I noticed. You were mentored by some of the best men of God: David Wilkerson, Leonard Raven-Hill.

STEVE: David Wilkerson, Leonard Raven-Hill are two of the men, to me, they’re my spiritual fathers. And people ask me, they say, why are you the way you are. Well we’re all products of who we’ve been hanging around. And that’s why I say, pick your friends carefully. Okay. And David Wilkerson put me through Bible school, met Leonard Raven-Hill. Nicky Cruz taught us on evangelism. So I was raised around, Raven-Hill was friends with Smith-Wigglesworth.

SID: So it goes on and on. It’s all connected. But another thing I noticed about, you were hungry for God. Whatever he heard there was a move of God. He was there. I mean, a lot of people say, if God wants to do something to me, He’ll come to me. Well he can and will. But I’m so hungry for God. If I hear He’s somewhere, I’m out there. That’s the way Steve was.

STEVE: See, it’s so non-biblical for people to say if God’s going to move, He’s got to come to me. Who do we think we are to say to God. He’s already come. He’s already come down. Okay. And He set it up. We celebrate Christmas Day. He set up the whole pattern. The baby Jesus was there. The shepherds had to come to him. Later on, the wise men had to come to him. And I always tell people, God gave the first altar call. He sets it up to where we got to go to Him. And so I have pursued the Lord all my life.

SID: Let’s take you to Argentina, the revival. You went there. They’ve been in revival more years than I can even remember. But tell me, when you saw Carlos Annacondia.

STEVE: We lived there for seven years during the peak of the Argentine revival, and it’s still moving on. God is still moving. We saw churches go from 500 to 20,000. Just amazing. Started, my wife and I planted 13 churches, built an orphanage. But Carlos Annacondia, when I got around him and [Spanish], and those that speak Spanish, I speak Spanish fluently, my wife and I lived there seven years. But Carlos was insane, and if you’re watching Carlos, that’s a respectful word for you. Okay. He was insane for the things of God. And he’s a man that owns a nuts and bolts factory. And so anyone that feels like you’re common, okay, look at this man. And I went to one of his crusades, in a nutshell, because we talk all day about this man. Went to his crusade, 20, 30,000 out there in an open field, a bunch of just hanging, naked light bulbs hanging everywhere. No big fanfare. Just this man that had authority. He had authority over darkness. And I would watch him in front of tens of thousands of people, and he would go, [Spanish], in the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, [Spanish], I bind you, Satan. And as far as the eye can see, people were hit by the power and thrown the ground. People that were walking down the sidewalks not even paying attention to him would be thrown to the ground, start shaking under the power. And I saw this, and I went, Jesus, whatever this man has, Jesus, Peter, shall heal the sick. And this is the closest thing I’ve ever seen to that. I want what he has, and you’d better get hungry, my friend. If you want to be used of God, you got to have a hunger. You got to have a craving for that. And I got that.

SID: Steve went to these various moves of God. I was hungry. I was overwhelmed with what I saw. Obviously, a lot of other people worldwide were overwhelmed. Four million to that little church in Pensacola, Florida because the power of God was there. Tell me about that girl that had cancer.

STEVE: There are so many stories. I want to talk about this vision that God has just given me, because many, you’re looking for these peaks in your life. The peak in your life is in front of you, not behind you. Okay. There’s more to God than what you have. But the Brownsville revival, we saw millions of people come through. I preached there for five years, saw four million people come through. But they would come in jets. They would come in private jets. They’d some on trains. They’d hitchhike. They came from all over because we had the news, CNN and all these guys covered it. And so they brought the lost in. But this one little girl, 15 years old, came in. She couldn’t have weighed 80 pounds, had a little baseball cap on, dying of cancer. A long story in a nutshell, we did something we never did. We brought her on the platform, thousands of people there that night, and I just felt of the Lord that we needed to lay hands on her. She was going to die. She was sent there as a last request. She wanted to go to Brownsville, not Disney. She didn’t want to go anywhere else but the Brownsville revival. Laid hands on her. Two weeks later, this is before Internet and all this kind of stuff, Internet was out, but it wasn’t Facebook and all, her father sends us a letter, “Just did the PET scans, just did all the scans. All the cancer is gone.” And now years later, we just contacted her and she’s graduated from University. She’s doing fantastic. All the cancer is gone. Now remember, she was given up for dead. And so we’ve just seen so many miracles. I believe, that’s why I love your program, It’s Supernatural. If you don’t believe in the supernatural, you don’t believe in Jesus. I want to say that again. If you don’t believe in the supernatural, you don’t believe in Jesus.

SID: Now you see why the devil tried to take him out. And let me tell you. Something happened to him. I observed him before he developed cancer and it was terminal. There was no chance of him surviving. He was preparing for his funeral, making arrangements with his wife. He is literally on his deathbed. And he cries out to Jesus, and he says, “Jesus, if you want to take me, take me. But if you leave me here and give me my strength back I will win a million souls for you.” And guess what? God answered his prayer. God gave him a vision for the last days. You’d better listen to this.

STEVE: I recently had a supernatural visitation from the Lord. I am under mandate to share with everyone. It’s tearing me up even as we talk right now, because God, I was in Heaven devotions and I was sitting on my couch. I could take you to the exact place. I was sitting on my couch and the Lord, it was early in the morning. No one else was awake in the house. And I closed my eyes and I began to see this color vision come down and just, a vision is just a supernatural experience from God. And He began to download this in my spirit. And I saw this resort, an incredible ski resort, and I opened my eyes because it was so real, Sid. And I opened my eyes and it disappeared. So I closed them again and I began to shake because it was like watching a movie. And I looked up, and I saw above the ski resort, I saw this mountain of snow. Now I’m a skier. I saw this mountain of snow, but it was piled up. It was more than what we needed to ski. And the Lord began to speak to me about the End Times, that this mountain of snow is all the false teaching that is falling on the church right now. And if we don’t do something about it, if we don’t destroy these layers and layers, and layers of snow then it’s going to come crashing down on innocent Christians. And in this vision, the resort was the church. These were people that just came. They came, they paid to be at the resort. We give tithes to be at church. Innocent people are going to die if we don’t do something about this. I can’t believe it’s happening in my lifetime. My daughter, who was in Bible school, one of the teachers stood up and said to the students, said that “Once you’re a Christian you are free to do anything you want. You can do anything you want. You’re free to sin.” And so my daughter is sitting out there and he’s saying, “You’re free to jump in bed with your boyfriend, you’re free to drink, you’re free to do anything you want because the blood covers it all.” And then the deification of man, that is the worship of man. Look at this world today. We’re putting on pedestals all these ministers and all these politicians. It’s a set up for the Antichrist, because in the last days, we are going to worship man, and we’re going to look to him for all the answers. I’m going to tell you right now, Sid, you see it. I see it. It’s clear as day. I can’t believe other people cannot see what’s going on in the world. But we got to get back to something.

SID: And what is that?

STEVE: And that is what we’ve got to do with this avalanche, the spiritual avalanche that could kill millions. We are responsible as leaders, as generals to destroy. And what I saw in the vision, I saw helicopters, I saw snowmobiles and I saw anti-tank weapons blowing up these mountains. And it was as clear as watching a television program. Snow was crumbling down. It was under control because these generals were blowing it up themselves before it blew up and came down, and killed people. I got on the phone, soaked already with tears. My phone was sticking and I talked to the Colorado Ski Patrol and I shared with them my vision. And he said, “Everything you saw, Mr. Hill, is exactly what we do. You saw the ski patrol in action. We’re trying to save their lives.” And he said, “I personally man an anti-tank weapon and my shells shoot five miles, seven, eight kilometers into the mountains to blow them up.” And I’m listening. And this just happened. This is not five, 10, 20 years ago. Then he said this and I close. He lifted his voice like an evangelist and he said, “Can I say something to you, Mr. Hill?” And I said, “Yes sir.” And his voice began to crack like mine is cracking. He said, “Do you want to know why they die?” And I said, “Yes, why do they die?” He said, “Because they don’t listen to me.” He said, “They refused to listen to me. I tell them don’t go up to that mountain, but the go anyway. They go on their snowmobiles. They go on their helicopters.” And he said, “They’re dropped off onto the mountains.” And then he said, “An hour later, I’m digging their corpse out of the snow.” And I told him, I said, “Thank you very much.” And I said, “I do the same thing. I spend my life trying to save lives.” And I bought an avalanche probe, which is a long, long, long, long pole that you drive in the snow. It’s the most wicked device I’ve ever owned in my life. It’s to find dead bodies. It’s to find dead bodies and hopefully find one that’s got just an ounce of breath left, a backslider, spiritually speaking, a prodigal, spiritually speaking, of someone who’s been covered by all this false teaching. And many of you that are watching this you know exactly what I’m talking about. You know what you’re doing is wrong. You know what you’re listening to is wrong. It’s feel good teaching. I am warning you right now, if you are in a church that is allowing you to be free to do anything you want, run for your life. If you’re not in a church that is preaching the whole Gospel, all the words in red, run for your life. If you’ve fallen away from the traditional teachings of your Christian life, get back. Get back to what you used to believe in when you were first a child of God.

SID: I’ve been very burdened over this. I didn’t have a vision. But many godly men and women are burdened over, I’ll call it what it is, what Steve did, it’s false teaching that is flooding the airways, flooding Christianity. But I’m going to tell you something else. I’m going to turn Steve loose to pray for the same power that was on Jesus that rose, Messiah Jesus from the dead that rests on him, that’s about ready to rest on you. Don’t go away.

Sid: My guest is red hot for the Messiah, and by the time you read her book, or listen to her, I believe you’re gonna get infected. Your faith is going to zoom; your understanding of the power and the authority that God has given. You may be facing an impossible situation, if you’re not blink your eyes a few times and you will. Welcome to the human race, but we have a victory. My guests Clarice and Ronnie Holden, I’m speaking to them by way of telephone at their home in Shallotte, North Carolina. Ronnie was on top of the world, if you will. He had been a drug addict, an alcoholic, almost lost everything. Had a visitation from Jesus, set completely free of drugs, completely free of alcohol, red hot for Jesus; his business, everything he touched was prospering, and then on May 8, 2000 a drunk driver hit him. He had got catapulted out of his car, his body was broken, but the worst part was what was going on internally. They didn’t even know it, but peritonitis had set in, he had massive infections, his vital organs were literally rotting on the inside and the doctors didn’t even understand it. So they did an emergency operation and they came back and they told his wife “Clarice he has 3 hours to live.” She would not accept; she did not know what to do; she prayed and God showed her step by step what she had to do to save his life. On yesterday’s broadcast Clarice I said “There had to be some points because you’re human that it seemed hopeless.” Tell me about the worst point.

Clarice: Well it was a morning, early like 3:00 in the morning, and I had just fought so many fights that day. There was so many Code Blues, and after a while it just wore you down, because I never left the hospital. The enemy just come at me so strongly and said “You’ve got plan your husband’s funeral.” I said “No! No! No!” and I went in the restrooms and I started beating on the walls so loud and screaming so loud till I got it down in my spirit that I had to fight. I said “If someone had heard me they would have thought I was crazy.” But you know what, I had to do that, I had to get it out of my system because I was not gonna accept what he was trying to speak whispers into my ear, “That my husband was not gonna make it,” because I knew he would, and he did. I got victory that night, and I came out there was another battle that I had never ever doubted again. We again kept going through different things; the infectious disease doctors were called in because he did have a major infection through his body. The different doctors started asking me to pray, and they were telling me; they even had us praying for people in the Intensive Care because they needed help. It was such a time that our faith was built up that we believed, we just knew that he was gonna be fine. Here Ronnie is, we had him plugged up to healing scriptures, he’s in a coma, but people if your loved one’s in a coma think faith. I spoke faith, I wouldn’t let nobody come in there that did not believe the way I believed. I said “Do not be crying and wringing your hands. He is a healed man, he is healed.”

Sid: But there was a point though where you and your prayer partner Sandy were literally exhausted. You were standing in the hallway and you started hearing someone singing. Tell me about that.

Clarice: Yes, we actually started singing Sid. We were singing “He is the God That Healeth Thee.” This was our scripture. We sung the word of God, the truth to him, and over it. There was something going on in there and we knew it. It was Sandy and myself, my nephew. There was this lady, she was this cleaning lady, and as we were singing she was coming up and down the hallway just mopping and singing. We would sing “He is the God That Healeth Thee,” and she said “Amen, praise God thank you Jesus, thank you Jesus” is what she’d say. It was really strange because the elevator was right there. Well the elevator would come up and open up, and nobody come out, this is 3:00 in the morning. Nobody would come out, and it would go down, and it would come up, and nobody would be coming out. It was an eerie time, but we just felt the presence of God. That lady was such a precious lady. The next morning I asked them “I just wanted to know that lady’s name, to thank her.” I said “When is she coming back on,” and I explained, and they said “Mam there is nobody that works here like that.” I said “Yes there is” and I explained it to them. They said “No mam not anybody here that looks like that.”

Sid: What type of feeling did you have when she was “Amening” and she was there, and the elevator was opening and closing by itself? What was going on in your spirit.

Clarice: It was jumping. My spirit was jumping up and down because your you know how your faith when it starts…

Sid: Are you telling me that was an angel?

Clarice: Sid I don’t know if she was an angel or not, but I felt the presence of God, and I have never been able to find this lady.

Sid: Now your husband, from what I understand started getting better.

Clarice: He did.

Sid: You know what, would you put Ronnie on right now

Clarice: I sure will.

Sid: because he’s in a coma for 21 days and his wife and her prayer partner are praying for all there worth. The doctors are saying “He’s starting to get better,” but you were having your own experiences Ronnie with angels. Tell me about that.

Ronnie: Well it was very strange, I never knew I had been in a wreck I was unconscious. I could see my room, and remember I had this huge hospital room and I had a picture window from ceiling to the floor. My bed was jacked up and I could see out the window overlooking the harbor. I remember thinking the last time I was at this hospital it was 3 miles from the river, they must be having more business they’ve built more since I’ve been here. I would lay there and watch the boats in the harbor and these people would come into the room, mostly 2, sometime it would be 3 people come into the room. They just sat around and read the paper they looked like ordinary people that just sat with me, but I didn’t know who they were. One day I just heard His word spoken to me saying “I sent My angels to watch over you.” I remember since then I had just relief that I knew I was going to be okay. They looked just like regular people; they stayed with me all day, and at first it seemed like they started leaving at night. Then they would come and take me down to the harbor. We would leave the hospital at 5:00, and they’d take me down to the dock. They had like a 100ft. schooner tied up there. I grew up around boats love boats. I just felt like something God sent to comfort me. They took me on the schooner at night, and I had this stateroom it had teak and mahogany it was just polished it would just shine. I would look outside the window and see the moonlight and see the water outside. I hadn’t had anything to eat or drink in about 30 days. I reckon I was craving to eat even though I was unconscious, but they had bowls of fruit, and I remember the fruit tasted so good it just run down my mouth it felt like. They had the ice water, and then I was standing out on the boat. The next morning they said “We have to go back to the hospital,” and we went back to the room and they stayed with me in the room, and they were there constantly.

Sid: Now you were in a situation… Would you put Clarice back on? Ronnie was in a situation where remember he was given 3 hours to live. So he’s in a coma for 21 days, ever since that cleaning woman showed up he started getting better. He’s having visitations from angels. Now Clarice you didn’t know all this was going on with the angels did you?

Clarice: No I didn’t.

Sid: So what happened at the end of the 21 days that he was in a coma?

Clarice: Well right before he came out of the coma that… Like I said it got worse again. That particular night I just walked in there, they were working on him again. Sid I just fell to my knees in the middle of that Intensive Care room, this big circle, and I tell you that I just cried out to God and you know what, I did not care that there were a lot of people in there. That’s what makes the difference, God knew my heart. I didn’t care I was after one thing getting my husband healed. That time, Ronnie, he was kind of bad and I went in I started talking to him and I said “Ronnie you have got to fight” because he was kind of failing again, it was kind of going downhill. I was screaming at him “I’ve done everything I can do you have got to fight!” I want him to tell you what happened to him that night.

Sid: Okay Ronnie what happened that night?

Ronnie: One night, I don’t remember when it was. The angels were in the room and this big man came through the door. He looked like he was 7 foot tall, dark skinned he looked Italian;he had like an Armani suit on really dressed. I had a very uneasy feeling when he came in I just felt an uneasiness. He went over and just leaned against the wall and just looked at me. I heard them talking about the angel of death, and he stood there and he started towards the bed, and the angels got up and stood between he and the bed where I was laying on. They started talking to him, and he glanced and he finally went back out the door. I remember such a relief when he left.

Sid: Our time is up.

Sid: The truth is that is the only normal way to function. Some of you are abnormal it’s time for you to be normal. I’ve got a normal believer on the telephone; her name is Clarice Holden. On May 8, 2000 her husband was hit by a drunk driver, he catapulted out of his car; his car rolled over a number of times. What was wrong with him initially Clarice?

Clarice: Well his neck was broken in 2 places Sid. His leg was broken in 15 places. His spleen was torn, his liver, and his kidney, and his pelvis was crushed. It was kind of bad there, but they were all things that they thought would heal.

Sid: But he reached a point where he wasn’t healing. You knew there was something wrong; the doctors didn’t have a clue; you insisted on them doing one more test. They did, and they said “This is an emergency situation. We’ve got to operate to save his life.” They operated then what did they tell you?

Clarice: They come in and the doctor looked at me and said “Miss Holden we’ve done all we can do. I’m sorry he will not make it through the night. It’ll be 3 hours maybe.” I looked at him, and you know I have never had my back against the wall like that Sid. It kind of takes your breath away when somebody tells you something like that. He said “You need to go home and prepare yourself.” I…

Sid: Three hours isn’t much time.

Clarice: No it isn’t. He said “I’m sorry to say that when we did the surgery that his insides came out, and I cannot close him back up.” It had been seeping all week in his system that he was swollen real bad, and whenever they did the incision everything came out. He says “He is in intensive care; he is on life support for the time being, but I’m sorry but he is not going to make it. There is nothing we can do, we’ve done everything.” I said “You know Dr.…” Maxwell was his name. I said “You don’t know me, and I don’t know you, but I believe God will give you the wisdom. I will pray and I will believe, and I’ll know God will show you what to do. He is not going to die, but I need you to agree with me.” He said “Miss Holden I cannot get in agreement with you.” So he walks out and I go in and my pastor and his wife, and my brother-in-law, and sister-in-law was there. My pastor said to me “Do you need to be alone?” I said “Yes I do.” I went to the chapel and I started praying, and an hour later I guess had went by. I found myself laying on that floor just crying out to God to save my husband. I got up and I started out of that chapel and I ran into that doctor, the surgeon, Dr. Maxwell. I walked up to him and I said “Dr. Maxwell please get into agreement with me. I know that God will give you the wisdom to heal Ronnie,” and he says “Miss Holden I will.” From that I told him I needed several things from him. First I needed to know what it was going to take for him to get through that night, and he said “Okay I will tell you,” and he gave me instructions. Ronnie had a colostomy, but his fever was raging and his kidneys were shutting down.

Sid: Well basically all of his organs were rotting.

Clarice: Absolutely. So I went back and I never heard anybody do what I did. I didn’t have a hand bit for this, but I walked into the intensive care waiting room there and I told all our family; I said “God is going to heal him I know it in my heart…”

Sid: Did you have an audible voice, did you have a vision, or it’s just a knowing?

Clarice: It was just a knowing Sid. Everything I’ve ever got from God I had to do it by faith. Ronnie has visions, and I have to walk the line (laughing). I’ve laughed at him, but he always says “God gives each one of us what we need.” But this time I just knew in my heart, and I felt it and I was not gonna give up. I walked back and I said “I’m gonna tell you, God’s going to heal him, but I don’t want anybody walking out of this room ringing your hands crying were gonna pray and were gonna believe God, and were gonna be in one agreement. We are not going to say ‘Poor Ronnie,’ and nobody is gonna see him unless they believe the way I believe.”

Sid: Clarice how did you know how to give these, one after another, directives?

Clarice: I do not know, I never heard anybody do this. God had to give it to me, but the Holy Spirit really ministered to me and I wasn’t even aware of it. He was speaking through me, and my family looked at me, they knew that was not me, and they said “They would.” I said to the doctor I said “I want complete access to him 24 hours a day. I will never be in your way, but I need to be able to see him, and to pray.” I said “I need to know when you have all these doctors get together; I need to be able to hear what they’re saying, they need to know my name and I need to know their name. I want to be in on the meetings,” and they said “That’s fine.” I’ve never heard of this before Sid. I wanted to know so I would know how to pray, and I prayed specifically. I didn’t pray God just heal him, I prayed specifically. When we got through that first night I said “Lord I know and I know that you’re gonna do this.”

Sid: Well just out of curiosity,  since they said that he’d only live 3 hours, and you got by the first night. Did Doctor Maxwell or any of the other staff comment?

Clarice: Well he’d never seen anybody quite like me before.

Sid: (Laughing)

Clarice: Quite frankly, I had never seen anybody quite like me. He was kind of surprised. He said “Well, you know, he made it through the night.” I said “Yes he did and he’s gonna make it through tomorrow too.” He was having crises all the time; we were in a constant fight it was not an easy fight. He got through the first night, but the next day something else happened. He was having breakdown of different organs, so we would have to pray for that, and we would get over that hurtle. The whole church was surrounding us. Our pastors, the whole congregation, our praise team were supporting us and they were praying and believing for a miracle. One miracle after the other it was several miracles a day Sid.

Sid: Now did a lot of people on the staff at that hospital know what was going on?

Clarice:We were the spectacle; I’ll tell you I’ll be honest. They didn’t know what to expect out of me, and a lot of times Sid I would walk in the Intensive Care Unit where Ronnie was, and I could just stand there they’d be working on Ronnie. You know there were several times I just walked in and I couldn’t get in there was so many doctors, and technicians, and nurses taking care of him. I mean he was hooked up to so many machines; he had 24 tubes coming into him. His abdomen was wide open for 12 days, and they just had a mesh over him. It was unbelievable he had this huge halo on, but I didn’t see Ronnie as he was laying there, I saw him as a well man; I saw him as what he is today. I didn’t look at what was there; I called things as though as they are today, not as they were that day.

Sid: Clarice you said you didn’t have a manual. I think you have one now. I think this book were making available called “Fighting Death and Other Desperate Battles” is a manual that I’d imagine would have helped a lot if you had this.

Clarice: I tell you it would have, but everything was happening so fast. I mean Ronnie was crashing, he was having a lot of problems. We were having to pray and intercede 24 hours a day. I never left the hospital for 52 days. From the day he came till the day he left I left with him.

Sid: But there must have been many times, because no matter how strong you were, you were pretty strong there, very strong there beyond normal. No I take it back, you were normal. (Laughing) There must have been moments where you said “Am I going crazy, or he’s not going to live.”

Clarice: There was one time, and my friend Sandy she is our church secretary, she and my other friend Barbara Campbell were with me 24 hours a day. I had an interceder with me, they interceded day and night. A prayer warrior that we were fighting for Ronnie’s life no matter what came up, but there was one morning about 3:00, we had fought and fought. They had one Code Blue after the other, and you know I was like “Lord you’ve gotta help me.” I went to the restroom there and the enemy come at me. He said “You’ve got to plan your husband’s funeral.” Oh I just knew and I just started hitting the walls with my fists so loud that I was screaming that I had to get that into my spirit that I had to get what he was saying to me out, and to get what…

Sid: Were out of time.

Sid: The truth is that is the only normal way to function. Some of you are abnormal it’s time for you to be normal. I’ve got a normal believer on the telephone; her name is Clarice Holden. On May 8, 2000 her husband was hit by a drunk driver, he catapulted out of his car; his car rolled over a number of times. What was wrong with him initially Clarice?

Clarice: Well his neck was broken in 2 places Sid. His leg was broken in 15 places. His spleen was torn, his liver, and his kidney, and his pelvis was crushed. It was kind of bad there, but they were all things that they thought would heal.

Sid: But he reached a point where he wasn’t healing. You knew there was something wrong; the doctors didn’t have a clue; you insisted on them doing one more test. They did, and they said “This is an emergency situation. We’ve got to operate to save his life.” They operated then what did they tell you?

Clarice: They come in and the doctor looked at me and said “Miss Holden we’ve done all we can do. I’m sorry he will not make it through the night. It’ll be 3 hours maybe.” I looked at him, and you know I have never had my back against the wall like that Sid. It kind of takes your breath away when somebody tells you something like that. He said “You need to go home and prepare yourself.” I…

Sid: Three hours isn’t much time.

Clarice: No it isn’t. He said “I’m sorry to say that when we did the surgery that his insides came out, and I cannot close him back up.” It had been seeping all week in his system that he was swollen real bad, and whenever they did the incision everything came out. He says “He is in intensive care; he is on life support for the time being, but I’m sorry but he is not going to make it. There is nothing we can do, we’ve done everything.” I said “You know Dr.…” Maxwell was his name. I said “You don’t know me, and I don’t know you, but I believe God will give you the wisdom. I will pray and I will believe, and I’ll know God will show you what to do. He is not going to die, but I need you to agree with me.” He said “Miss Holden I cannot get in agreement with you.” So he walks out and I go in and my pastor and his wife, and my brother-in-law, and sister-in-law was there. My pastor said to me “Do you need to be alone?” I said “Yes I do.” I went to the chapel and I started praying, and an hour later I guess had went by. I found myself laying on that floor just crying out to God to save my husband. I got up and I started out of that chapel and I ran into that doctor, the surgeon, Dr. Maxwell. I walked up to him and I said “Dr. Maxwell please get into agreement with me. I know that God will give you the wisdom to heal Ronnie,” and he says “Miss Holden I will.” From that I told him I needed several things from him. First I needed to know what it was going to take for him to get through that night, and he said “Okay I will tell you,” and he gave me instructions. Ronnie had a colostomy, but his fever was raging and his kidneys were shutting down.

Sid: Well basically all of his organs were rotting.

Clarice: Absolutely. So I went back and I never heard anybody do what I did. I didn’t have a hand bit for this, but I walked into the intensive care waiting room there and I told all our family; I said “God is going to heal him I know it in my heart…”

Sid: Did you have an audible voice, did you have a vision, or it’s just a knowing?

Clarice: It was just a knowing Sid. Everything I’ve ever got from God I had to do it by faith. Ronnie has visions, and I have to walk the line (laughing). I’ve laughed at him, but he always says “God gives each one of us what we need.” But this time I just knew in my heart, and I felt it and I was not gonna give up. I walked back and I said “I’m gonna tell you, God’s going to heal him, but I don’t want anybody walking out of this room ringing your hands crying were gonna pray and were gonna believe God, and were gonna be in one agreement. We are not going to say ‘Poor Ronnie,’ and nobody is gonna see him unless they believe the way I believe.”

Sid: Clarice how did you know how to give these, one after another, directives?

Clarice: I do not know, I never heard anybody do this. God had to give it to me, but the Holy Spirit really ministered to me and I wasn’t even aware of it. He was speaking through me, and my family looked at me, they knew that was not me, and they said “They would.” I said to the doctor I said “I want complete access to him 24 hours a day. I will never be in your way, but I need to be able to see him, and to pray.” I said “I need to know when you have all these doctors get together; I need to be able to hear what they’re saying, they need to know my name and I need to know their name. I want to be in on the meetings,” and they said “That’s fine.” I’ve never heard of this before Sid. I wanted to know so I would know how to pray, and I prayed specifically. I didn’t pray God just heal him, I prayed specifically. When we got through that first night I said “Lord I know and I know that you’re gonna do this.”

Sid: Well just out of curiosity,  since they said that he’d only live 3 hours, and you got by the first night. Did Doctor Maxwell or any of the other staff comment?

Clarice: Well he’d never seen anybody quite like me before.

Sid: (Laughing)

Clarice: Quite frankly, I had never seen anybody quite like me. He was kind of surprised. He said “Well, you know, he made it through the night.” I said “Yes he did and he’s gonna make it through tomorrow too.” He was having crises all the time; we were in a constant fight it was not an easy fight. He got through the first night, but the next day something else happened. He was having breakdown of different organs, so we would have to pray for that, and we would get over that hurtle. The whole church was surrounding us. Our pastors, the whole congregation, our praise team were supporting us and they were praying and believing for a miracle. One miracle after the other it was several miracles a day Sid.

Sid: Now did a lot of people on the staff at that hospital know what was going on?

Clarice:We were the spectacle; I’ll tell you I’ll be honest. They didn’t know what to expect out of me, and a lot of times Sid I would walk in the Intensive Care Unit where Ronnie was, and I could just stand there they’d be working on Ronnie. You know there were several times I just walked in and I couldn’t get in there was so many doctors, and technicians, and nurses taking care of him. I mean he was hooked up to so many machines; he had 24 tubes coming into him. His abdomen was wide open for 12 days, and they just had a mesh over him. It was unbelievable he had this huge halo on, but I didn’t see Ronnie as he was laying there, I saw him as a well man; I saw him as what he is today. I didn’t look at what was there; I called things as though as they are today, not as they were that day.

Sid: Clarice you said you didn’t have a manual. I think you have one now. I think this book were making available called “Fighting Death and Other Desperate Battles” is a manual that I’d imagine would have helped a lot if you had this.

Clarice: I tell you it would have, but everything was happening so fast. I mean Ronnie was crashing, he was having a lot of problems. We were having to pray and intercede 24 hours a day. I never left the hospital for 52 days. From the day he came till the day he left I left with him.

Sid: But there must have been many times, because no matter how strong you were, you were pretty strong there, very strong there beyond normal. No I take it back, you were normal. (Laughing) There must have been moments where you said “Am I going crazy, or he’s not going to live.”

Clarice: There was one time, and my friend Sandy she is our church secretary, she and my other friend Barbara Campbell were with me 24 hours a day. I had an interceder with me, they interceded day and night. A prayer warrior that we were fighting for Ronnie’s life no matter what came up, but there was one morning about 3:00, we had fought and fought. They had one Code Blue after the other, and you know I was like “Lord you’ve gotta help me.” I went to the restroom there and the enemy come at me. He said “You’ve got to plan your husband’s funeral.” Oh I just knew and I just started hitting the walls with my fists so loud that I was screaming that I had to get that into my spirit that I had to get what he was saying to me out, and to get what…

Sid: Were out of time.

Sid: My guest by way of telephone speaking to him at their home at South Beloit, Illinois is Ben and Brenda Peters; now on yesterday’s broadcast we found out that Ben came from quite a godly heritage of grandparents in ministry.  And he went to Bible college and he wasn’t backslidden or anything, but he was just arrested by the Holy Spirit when he was asked in a simple dorm prayer meeting “What is your burden?” He realized that he didn’t have any supernatural burden for the lost for anything.  And at that moment he had an encounter with the Holy Spirit his heart was changed and he became such an intercessor for others that even as he explained on yesterday’s broadcast you could hear the tears welling up within him I could hear it in his voice.  And then he began to have such a burden that he would wake up two hours early in the morning and sometimes he had never fasted before, sometimes he would even fast breakfast because Ben you said to me “The presence of God was so wonderful it was better than food.”

Ben: It sure was, it sure was and the incredible thing about it is that the scripture that say “They that sow in tears will reap in joy.”  It was such a strong desire to see the power of God released again to bring souls to Christ. Just a couple of years later a revival came to our city and it wasn’t the fullness of what I’d asked for but it was the first fruits.  And then in 1973 I traveled with a man of God that we had met and he took me to Argentina, and I was just a young man still, but the power of God moved so mightily there that we had six weeks of nonstop miracles and salvation, souls being saved.  He had a strong prophetic ministry that we partly inherited I believe. During that time he would get words of knowledge for people; he would prophesy he would see visions and people would be healed.  And we had deaf and dumb born…three young men that were born deaf and dumb that were healed during those meetings. I saw every other kind of sickness and disease healed in that time and it was the most joyful time in my life.  I always remind people that the sow in tears will reap in joy if you don’t faint you will see the results.  When you pray in intercession and when their tears flowing down your face you know that the Holy Spirit is moved you to pray and when He moves you to pray He will fulfill the desires of your heart and you will see those prayers answered.

Sid: I also have on the telephone Ben Peter’s wife Brenda. Brenda really moves in very accurate prophesy and I have some questions for Brenda.  First of all was there anything prophetic when you met Ben at Bible School and ended up marrying him?

Brenda: Getting to know Ben was very special to me because I came from a non-Christian background and I was learning in my quiet times that were assigned to us to listen to God.  And after one of our missions meetings on a Friday night I was working in gratis and I had been in the Bible College approximately half a year. Ben came down stairs while I was setting up the tables and I was talking to one of my girlfriends who was assisting me and I looked up and when I looked up and caught Ben’s eyes it was as if I was looking right into the depths of his heart and I knew at that moment there was a presence of God and I knew at that moment the Holy Spirit was saying, yeah the Holy Spirit was saying to me “He’s the one.”

Sid: Well how long did it take from that moment to the time you got married?

Brenda: Probably one year; we were engaged within a year and married about a year and a half later.

Sid: Alright tell me I’m very intrigued over your gift of prophesy; when did you realize you were prophetic and how does it operate?

Brenda: I didn’t realize I was prophetic until I became a pastor’s wife and then we worked in a small country church.  Ben served under a senior pastor who moved in the prophetic continuously he had a strong gift of knowledge.  As I basically served and encouraged people all the time I had a need to encourage people. I would always find myself looking for the qualities in their life and going past the negative and this actually became the roots of the prophetic for me on my journey.

Sid: Give me a few examples of how the gift operates with you; maybe specific examples.

Brenda: I realized that the prophetic was very strong on my life after taking classes on the prophetic for a season of time and we went to a meeting under our leader and he released us to prophesy and he turned to me and he said, “Brenda I believe I’m supposed to give you the mic tonight” and we began to minister over a large group of pastors in Canada.  When I took the mic the presence of God came on me so strong I began to prophesy with a powerful anointing I began to speak into every pastors life.  There had to be about 20 pastors a powerful word and I knew that it was God because I could not have made any of that up.

Sid: Were you a kind of a little child that was just amazed that God used you like that?

Brenda: I was.

Sid: And out of curiosity does He operate in other prophetic areas with you such as dreams or visions?

Brenda: Actually there are times when I’m prophesying and I’ll get mental pictures or visions and those visions or mental pictures will be related to the person that I’m standing in front of.So I will speak into those pictures right at the same time that I’m prophesying.

Sid: And when you see those pictures is it like you have to have your eyes closed or do you see them on top of the person. I mean I’m just plain curious tell me how it operates.

Brenda: I understand no actually it’s a mental picture I’m looking directly into their eyes my eyes are wide open; there are times when I’ll close my eyes and pray so that I can just grab the picture and the word I’m getting at the same time and then I’ll look into their eyes.  But I’m seeing the picture similar to a mind it’s just a picture I’m getting in my mind.

Sid: Okay what is God showing you currently?

Brenda: I’ve had visions related to what’s going on in the world in this hour; I have actually seen visions of angels in the Heavenly realm. It’s as if there are Lieutenant Commander Angels holding back the hosts of angels that are being prepared to be released to us to assist us in bringing in the lost for the harvest that’s talked about in the Bible.  I have been getting excited because I’m seeing the youth going out in buses. I have actually seen visions of youth on stadium platforms and going out in buses and worshipping and opening the Heavens for revival.

Sid: Well I have to tell you Brenda I’ve never met you in person at least I don’t believe I have.Have we had our paths cross?

Brenda: No I’ve seen you on television.

Sid: Okay of course I’ve never met your husband Ben but both of you the presence of the God is so strong on both of you.If I had to say to you Brenda what is the strongest passion you have within you what would you say?

Brenda: The strongest passion I have is to go deeper into the heart of God and then carry that presence everywhere I go to raise up those that are broken and hurting.I find myself with this urgency when I’m walking outside I look for people to encourage; walking in airports I look for people to encourage I just encourage and God will give me a prayer for them and I’ll say “Can I share this prayer I’m getting a prayer for you?”  And then I’ll prophesy into their lives and they’ll cry; tears will happen. Grocery stores I’ll stand in the line and they presence of the Holy Spirit will move on me and I’ll just begin to speak to the grocery clerk “You know God has a prayer for you can I share it?”  They’re crying, just bikers I’ve ministered to bikers, I’ve ministered to truckers in truck stops. I just have this cry in my heart to raise people up from their brokenness and give them vision for how God sees them.

Sid: Okay I have read your husband’s book “Prophetic Ministry.” He says that everyone can move in the prophetic which is God’s method that or signs and wonders to arrest the nonbeliever’s attention to preach the gospel.  Do you believe that too that everyone can move in prophesy?

Brenda: Very definitely when we were called out of our church actually we received a prophetic word about moving into the prophetic and traveling and when we launched into that ministry I found myself actually looking for places to get away with God.  I remember the Baptist camp I found a cross in San Diego and went up to the cross every morning in the early morning hours and I would just lay on my face at the foot of the cross and put worship on and invite the presence of God the Holy Spirit.  The Holy Spirit would show up and I would be on my face in prayer one to two hours every morning experiencing His presence.

Sid: Now the key was not that you found a particular place by a cross the key was that you found a place and spent a few hours quality hours with God every day.

Brenda: Exactly with worship and I really believe the time that you just rest in the presence of God with worship and then open up the word and He’ll speak to you.  But it’s a time to listen and then you have…

Sid: I’ll tell you what let’s…we’ll pick up right here on tomorrows broadcast.

Sid: I’m going to tell you something when you understand how the Bible clearly points out the next war in the Middle East it’s eminent it’s different than most people think and the Bible actually names the players, it names the countries, it even tells you what’s going to happen to each country that’s involved in the endtime war.  It tells you the future of America.  Bill Salus has spent the last eleven years when God gave him this revelation just doing research, and I believe he did it just for you.  Bill first it’s important to understand because most believers do not understand the roots of the conflict.If you don’t understand the roots of the conflict when you read today’s headlines you don’t have a clue of what’s going on it’s like seeing the tip of the iceberg but 90% of the iceberg’s under the water and you’re trying to make decision based on that 10% that you can see with your naked eye.

Bill: Absolutely Sid they don’t understand the roots of the conflict.  Six decades have come and gone and the conflict is worse.The enemies of Israel have more dangerous weapons than ever before.  The attitude is that they don’t want the Jewish State to exist and this is something that’s not going to get better according to Bible prophecy it will come out and play out in an Arab Israeli war written about 3000 years ago by the Psalmist Asaph one of King David’s worship leader who was also a prophet/seer.  But you’re right there is an ancient hatred that the Bible speaks about in the Hebrew words are “Olamebam.”  And it talks about it being an existence from time and memorial and resurfacing throughout time even to the present.  And when these two words are put together Sid it’s very definitive; it’s a condition stemming back long ago in ancient times perpetuated throughout time manifesting into hostility with no apparent end in sight.  In other words it’s cancerous it will not go away it needs surgical removal and unfortunately that means war.

Sid:Now can man, in any way you understand, be able to orchestrate peace and not have this horrible scenario occur that we see in the Bible that you’ll be explaining this week?

Bill:  Well, man has tried and man could.Actually there’s a plan that God had put together in Jeremiah 12 verses 14- 17 that I point out in my new book.  That God actually had His own peace plan together for the nations when the Jews came back into the land how He would set the stage for that to be all harmonious, but of course that required that the Arab populations would accept the re-gathered nation of Israel the rebirth nation of Israel and they would worship Jehovah not Allah.  It required a few basis things, but I point this out what they are and that’s not what’s going on unfortunately.  So God had a compassionate roadmap plan a peace 2 state solution, a peace plan together but there in reach of that.  The Arabs are in breach of that and they’re going to confederate according to Psalm 83 and try to wipe Israel off the map Sid that’s what I think is in the makings; I think the Arab spring is pointing in that direction.

Sid:Now you point out reasons why you feel that this is going to happen soon; what are the reasons for the next Middle East War that had to occur in order for it to happen?

Bill:  Well because you know there’s 6 decades have gone on.The Arab Spring has created a very unstable situation over there in the Middle East.

Sid:That’s where everything all of these Arab nations the governments are being toppled and the wrong guys are getting control.  You know what I was thinking Bill, this could have never happened without Facebook, and the computer, and the communication that people have now.  I mean we needed literally needed a computer for Psalm 83 to happen.

Bill: Well you know it’s interesting you’re absolutely right when this Arab Spring was going on the liberal pundits thought it was nothing more than the youth over there driven by the social networks like you said Facebook, Twitter, etcetera.Looking out of State Central media and 7th Century Islam into life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.  And that’s all wonderful and we wish that for them, western style democracies, but that’s not what’s happening Sid.  We’ve got a Syrian revolution that’s gone on since March of 2011 still ongoing as we speak.You’ve got a Muslim Brotherhood now who’s oppressed for forty years in Egypt that will be calling for Sharia law that is now in power.

Sid:Now they have open access to our White House, I find that outrageous!

Bill:  Well, they do and you know their President Mohammed Morsi is the consummate politician he has met with Hillary Clinton, he has met with Leon Panetta, but he has also met with the Hamas he has also met with Mahmoud Ahmadinejad of Iran.  He’s also met with Erdoğanof Turkey.  So if you read behind the scenes you start to recognize that he is just playing politics presently at this point in time.  They have agenda, they want to unite the Arab states through Islam, through Sharia law and they want to march as a capitol; not Cairo, but Jerusalem and this was one of the campaign plans by Mohammed Morsi that had been advocated before he became president.

Sid:President of Egypt, but go ahead.

Bill: You know the stage is really set and like you said, what’s interesting is that we have these leaders Mubarak who ruled Egypt for 30 years, and the Tunisian guy Ali for 23 years, and Gaddafi was 42 years, and even the Saleh of Yemen was 43 years.  These long standing leaders who were really not threatening Israel in a war at any point in time; they’re gone but you know who’s not gone are the people that want to wipe Israel off the map:Ayatollah Khomeini, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, Bashar Assad, Hassan Nasrallahof Hezbolla, and Mohammed Morsi of Egypt.  You know I mean and we’re told in Daniel 2:21 that “It’s the Lord who changes times and seasons and raises and removes kings; He give wisdom to the wise and knowledge to those with understanding.”  And I think the wisdom to the wise is that the leaders that would want to wipe Israel off the map are in place; the weapons are in place the attitude is in place and that we need to be prepared for missiles to fly in the Middle East.  And Sid that’s an imminent concern I have right now.

Sid:And how about Syria and we know but we don’t know but I believe that all the chemical weapons that were in Iraq are now in Syria ready to be turned on its own people and perhaps Israel.

Bill:Well, it’s a…Syria had their own weapons program once upon a time and it was very advanced.  And there’s good reason to believe because even Saddam Hussein one of his upper echelon individuals named George Sada has come out since Hussein has fallen and said “Yes we did have chemical weapons and yes they were moved into Syria.” Now Syria supposedly has the largest undisclosed, we believe third in the world, undisclosed arsenal of chemical weapons and they’ve been moving them around because of the concerns of what’s going on with the freestanding army and the revolution over there,and supposedly stored in around 20 different sites.  Sid you know just the other day Bashar Assad went out and said “Look if there is international intervention into his revolution he is there, he will die in Syria he is not going to leave and the Middle East will start to fall down like dominoes.”  That was a quote from Bashar Assad of Syria he is not going to do what Muammar Gaddafi did take a bullet to the head without doing something.  And that’s the concern and as a matter of fact he said I think it was in November of 20ll “That if the International Community get’s involved in his revolution” and at that time he was specifically referring to NATO he said in 6 hours I will send missiles into Tel Aviv and I will have Hezbollah send missiles into Tel Aviv.  Well Sid what is Israel going to do if that happens especially if there’s chemicals.  Now you’re dealing with another Bible prophesy probably inter-related with Psalm 83 and Isaiah 17 which talks about the destruction of Damascus the world’s oldest and continuously inhabited city dating back before the time of Abraham over 4000 years ago home to several million Syrians being destroyed.  It says “It will cease to be a city it will be a ruinous heap.” And what’s very detailed about that is Isaiah 17 prophesy Sid is that it goes on to say in verse 9 that it appears to be the IDF in self-defense that has to that.  And in verse 14 of Isaiah 17 it says “At evening tide you see Him.”  Referring to Damascus in the personal pronoun “and in the morning he is no more.”  This is a portion of those who plunder us and those who rob us.

Sid:Okay tell us about how well armed is Hezbollah?

Bill:  Well Hezbollah who has lopped 4,000 rockets into Israel in the summer of 2006 and kept a lot of people in Israel in bomb shelters for 34 days according to the UN resolution 1701 was supposed to dismantle those at that time.We believe now they’ve got 50 to 60,000 missiles.  We believe they’ve got Scud D missiles that they got from Syria, now Scud D Sid are the most advanced Scud’s in the world and they’re not those throw a prayer out and hope that Scud ace thatSaddam Husain had these are Scud-D’s; they can go 400 miles in pin point accuracy and hit within a 20 yard target.  I mean they can hit in the middle of any synagogue they want; they can hit the Dimona if they wanted the nuclear plant out of Israel.

Sid:Okay I see the picture, Iran has nuclear power, we have the Muslims acting crazy attacking our embassy. Hezbollah has 50,000 some rockets with pinpoint accuracy.  Syria has got the chemical weapons.  I mean and this is the whole war the nations involved and we’ll get into it later this week all outlined in Psalm 83.  So I have two questions for you number one, “How imminent is this?

Bill: Well, I don’t see anything standing in the way when you understand Psalm 83 and the nations involved I don’t see anything standing in the way right now of Psalm 83 happening.  Peace talks have failed the only thing, the only two things, the only preconditions are a peace treaty between Egypt and Israel, which was formed in 1979 I believe with Jimmy Carter and a Peace treaty that was formed with Jordan that was formed in 1984 with Bill Clinton.

Sid:And you know I have to interrupt because we’re running out of time right now. However, a lot of people are thinking “Well, what is this got to do with me, I mean I’m just a member of the country.”  No, no, no if you’re on the right side of the fence with the Jew in Israel the last days you’re going to be like a magnet attracting God’s blessings.  If you’re on the wrong side of the fence with the Jew in Israel if you don’t understand in the last days you’re going to be attracting things that won’t be good.