Sid Roth

Sid:  Well, my guest does the same works and I don’t know if I would call it greater but there’s some outrageous miracles that I don’t even read about in the Bible that happens under her ministry.  Her name, Marilyn Hickey; now Marilyn you’ve been speaking in mosques, and meetings, healing meetings all over the world especially you have a burden for Muslims you love Muslims.  But just out of curiosity how does this work in the United States, any success?

Marilyn: Great success, great success it’s the same thing it’s the demonstration of the Name of Jesus and of His Word because Muslims, and you know there’s Sunni’s, Sufi’s, Shiite, all of them believe that Jesus heals, it’s in their Quran.  Now what I like to do is get in where there’s a group of Muslims and have a demonstration.  So I thought in the history of Islam 1400 years a woman, a Christian woman, has never spoken in a mosque. I began to have a passion to have this happen and pray about it.  Well, Dearborn is where they have the most Muslims in the United States, they have 250,000 most of them are from Iraq and Iran.  And God gave me favor with an imam that’s the leader of a mosque; I went to see him, I got an audience with him first of all which is a miracle and told him what I wanted to do and he had a board member there.  He said, “We would never do that, I said, “I’d like to have a healing meeting in the mosque and I’d like…

Sid: Marilyn we have a Hebrew word for that, it’s called “Chutzpah, it’s called nerve.” Marilyn Hickey you have Chutzpah.

Marilyn: Oh, thank you so he said, “Well, we would never do that.”  And you know I just hold on to your faith, and I thought Lord this game is not over till I win.” You know 2^nd Corinthians 14 “He always leads us to triumph in Christ.”  So when I got up to leave he said, “Marilyn, the next time you’re here I’d like for you to come to our house, my wife and I would like to have you for dinner” and I knew there’s a crack in the door.  And so about 8 months later I went and had dinner with them and he said to me “What is it you want to do in the mosque?”  And I told him and he said, “Well, I believe we can do that.”  I said, “Would you be willing for me to put this on my television program and I will show you the DVD I wouldn’t do anything you’re uncomfortable with, you’re my friend.”  He said, “Yes!”  So we had a healing meeting in a mosque, wasn’t a big meeting, but dramatic miracles.

Sid: Tell me one.  Well, I’ll tell you about a little boy who did the reading of the Koran at the beginning and he couldn’t see well, had a big problem with his sight and God healed his sight and he came up and testified.  We had quite a few people healed of back problems and then we had refreshment afterwards and we had 11 Imam’s plus it wasn’t a big crowd but all of these Islamic people and so I went from table to table and you know I dressed like they dressed, I had my head covered. I would pray and they’ll say to you “Pray for my mother she’s sick or pray for me I’ve hurt my arm, or I have arthritis.”  And so I went from table to table; that gave me a lot of favor and then the Imam did a tapping with me and we became very good friends, his wife couldn’t have children, hadn’t been able to get pregnant, and now she has two, we prayed for her.  So that door has opened another door for me in Jakarta to go and have a healing meeting in a mosque.  But listen Sid, this is my passion, I want to go to Iran, there’s never been a healing in the history of Iran.  I want to have it in a university as a cultural exchange.

Sid: Now the thing that most people don’t understand is when there are miracles you say it’s because Jesus is healing you and you literally, this is hard for me to comprehend I mean it blows everyone’s paradigm, you have people at these meetings pray to know Jesus to be born again.

Marilyn: Yes, I didn’t in the mosque but I do in all of my healing meetings.  I didn’t do it in the mosque, I felt I was restricted from that. The big meeting January with 210,000 people I had people stand up to invite Jesus into their hearts.  And I won’t tell we had a sneaky way for follow-up so God is cool, He knows and I believe everyone listening to this program God has a miracle with your name on it.  You know He doesn’t just show up and show off in Islamic countries, He shows up and shows off where ever there’s faith.  Sid, I’d like to pray for healing miracles right now.

Sid: Please.

Marilyn: Lord, I just thank you for every person whose listening to this broadcast, who needs a healing miracle; I send the Word into their bodies that heals them and delivers them from this destruction.  Jesus we have the double cure, You take care of our inner man you take our sins and You take our sicknesses.  We take that wonderful glorious provision, and I thank you that people from all around are getting a miracle now and will contact Sid and say “Jesus, did this,” thank you Father in Jesus Name, Amen.

Sid: Marilyn I want to say something, and you are amazing, we did this radio broadcast much earlier than people are hearing right now, and the day before we did the broadcast you had this ceremony for your husband’s homecoming; how can you do this broadcast right now?

Marilyn: Because He’s in Heaven, you know we didn’t have a funeral, we had a celebration.  We had 1100 people and they would tell you we had a party, that’s what he wanted and he put on a video tape 2 ½ years ago an altar call for salvation, and we played it in the celebration.  You know I can’t, how can I say it, I can’t carry the grief and the sorrow because Jesus took it for me and honestly I don’t have the grief and sorrow; I’m so thrilled he is in Heaven; I’m so thrilled with the people who stood for salvation last night.  I’m so thrilled we prayed for the sick last night, for the people who are healed, that’s what Jesus would want and here Wally says on a video “Dear ones I’m in Heaven, but I’ve made this video before because my biggest collection is souls and I want yours to be here.”

Sid: Let me take you back to when you were 23 years of age, you went to went to church because there was a man you liked by the name of Wally you weren’t married at the time, and so you only went to that church for that reason. One day this fellow Wally says to you “I’m fasting and praying for you.”  Tell me briefly that story.

Marilyn: (Laughing) Well, I was very insulted because he said, “I’m fasting and praying for you.”  And I said, “Well, I’m saved.”  But he said, “But you’re not committed” and he said, “I served the devil with all my heart and now I’m going to serve God with all my heart and I’m not going to marry a woman who’s halfhearted.”  So he said, “I’m on a fast for three days and in that timing God spoke to me in the night and said, “I’ve dealt with you for four years for the baptism of the Holy Spirit and you say no and I’m not going to deal with you anymore, but I’ll show you if your turn this down at this time the baptism of the Holy Spirit you will move to California, you will marry a Christian, you’ll have a good life, you’ll die and go to Heaven; but He said, I have something so wonderful for you, you cannot imagine.”  And I totally surrendered for the power of the Holy Spirit and that was the beginning.  We married as you can guess.

Sid: Well, you know the operative word that you just spoke out of your mouth is what God is dealing with people listening to us right now.  Marilyn said she could have surrendered or she could have done it her way, she could have had a nice normal life or she could have fulfilled her destiny.  And some of you are saying “Well, I did miss it along the way.” I am saying with great confidence that God says He can redeem the time where you are right now, look what He did Jesus did in just 3 years, surrender, that’s His message for you right now.  Surrender to the Lord; you know how to do it, your words, repent of your sins, get a fresh start, make Him your Lord, read the Bible, mediate with us every day on a new scripture.  Marilyn let’s say were saying the same scripture all week, John 8:12 please say that quickly.

Marilyn: I am the light of the world, he that follows Me shall not walk in darkness, but have the light of life,” wonderful light.

Sid: Before I started this interview I told Misty Edwards she provokes me to jealousy because I am, well my wife’s not here so I can say it.  I am proud when I get an hour’s worth of praying in tongues and worship in every day.  Misty the people out at IHOP that’s your lifestyle that’s your oxygen.  Tell me what your average day consists of in reference to prayer and worship.

Misty: Oh, well my average day inference to prayer and worship would be I usually lead one prayer meeting a day so that’s about a two hour period of time where I’m you know at the keyboard leading in worship and prayer.  Then I have another two hour block where I am in the prayer room with my Bible opened just praying in the Spirit; praying around the Psalms or whatever passage the Lord has going down my prayer list.  So about four hours a day I aim to be in the prayer room. I’m not saying all that’s you know deeply connected but at least my heart’s in front of the fire.

Sid: But you know I got saved at thirty; I didn’t as the Bible says I didn’t know my left hand from my right hand spiritually until I was 30 years of age. But at 5 you became a believer and the thing that intrigues me so much is that you had a strong sense of eternity. You knew life was short; how does a 5 year old even fathom those thoughts?

Misty: Oh, I mean I remember from being… some of my earliest memories are just sitting on my swings set trying to grasp forever.  You know I would be like “Forever, forever, forever, forever, mom how long is forever?”  And just that feeling of we’re never going to end and yet everybody dies.  You know my great grandmother passed away when I was very young and so I just had this awakening of that…we were all going to die and I just had a real sense of the fragility of life and the speed of which it was going.  Which I mean it just propelled me…

Sid: But how does a 5 year old have that sense?  But let me tell you my story, when I was about 5 my parents participated in athletics their sport of choice was poker.  And they were playing poker all night long.  And I’m a 5 year old sitting in the bed and the thought popped in my head “What happens when you die?”  I mean I don’t know where it came from, now I know it came from God and I pondered it and my conclusion was as a 5 year old “You cease to exist.” But your conclusion was right.

Misty: Well, I had godly parents for one thing and so when I asked my Mom “How long is forever and what happens when we die?”  She did give me an answer that satisfied me. I was very young when I came to know the Lord although I still had a sense of still  searching even after I’d said the sinners prayer, I still had a sense of “But why am I here?” I knew where I was going when I died but I couldn’t figure out why I existed, you know what was the purpose on this side of time.  See I think that that cry is in the heart of every 5, 6, 7 year old that’s the age where those thoughts and those longings are awakened in the human heart.

Sid: Okay, age 19 you go out to Kansas City to Bible School. Mike Bickel’s has a class on Song of Solomon.

Misty: Yes.

Sid: That had a major impact on you, explain.

Misty: It had a major impact of me, I was raised in a very loving family with a focus on holiness and character.  I felt the love of God on and off throughout my life, but in this Song of Solomon class Mike was really touching on the longings of the human heart, you know the longing for greatness, the longing for purpose, the longing for destiny, the longing for beauty to be enjoyed.  You know the basic longings of all humans in every culture that we have. He says that “In God we find the answers to these longings that He is the fountain of desire.”  And through the Song of Solomon and through the bridal paradigm as Mike calls it knowing Jesus as a Bride Groom with burning desire instead of just a master with a checklist totally changed my paradigm of God.  And my desire to respond to Him in the same kind of wholeheartedness that He was pursuing me and it radically changed my view of God which changed my worldview, which changed the view of myself.  I mean it transformed me radically.

Sid: Now with all of that prayer and all of those studies and all of the things that a 19 year old is involved in in life, you still managed to sneak away to the laundry room to get away so that you could seek God.

Misty: Yeah, and at that time you know I was working at a daycare center, I was a preschool teacher, this was a year before the House of Prayer had started; I was in Bible school but that class had awakened such a hunger in my heart. And I was saying “God if this is real,” like I’m kind of the kind of person that doesn’t get convinced easily. And so I like the feeling of hearing what Mike was saying but I kept saying “Is this real I have to know for myself.” So I would take the notes, I would take my Bible that little Song Solomon commentary and go into my little dirty apartment laundry mat and just say look at the stars and go “If You are there God and You hear me is this real; do You really feel this way about human beings, are you watching me right now?” And so it was almost a desperate cry at the same time of feeling His presence, it was a funny mixture of desperation and presence at the same time.

Sid: Now you wrote a song called “Doves Eyes.” Tell me about that.

Misty: Yeah.

Sid: Tell me about that.

Misty: “Doves Eyes” is out of the book of Song of Solomon.  The Bridegroom He says to the Shulamite that you have dove’s eyes.”  And what I believe that speaks of is a single vision, that you have focus; that you can’t…a dove cannot turn their eyes in either direction their fixed.  And so when the Bridegroom says to us “You have Dove’s Eyes.” He’s saying I see in you the sincerity to be mine even in our weakness.  You know I certainly have failed many, many times over the last fourteen years since I was 19.  I’ve failed many many times, but at the core of me He says “You have dove’s eyes.”  He say “I know you want me, I know your pursuing me just keep coming if you don’t quit you’ll win.”  And so to hear Him say that over my heart gives me courage when I do fail to run to Him instead of away from Him.

Sid: Let’s hear “Dove’s Eyes.” Excerpt: Misty Edwards sings (“Dove’s Eyes”)

Sid: Misty what’s going on inside of you, what’s exploding when you sing that song to God?

Misty: When I sing that song to God I hear Him singing that song to me.  When He looks at me and says “You do have dove’s eyes.”  And I feel so distracted and I have so many things going on in my life and my own failure, my own sin keeps me from going to the degree that I want to go in wholeheartedness.   But when He whispers to my heart “I see the sincerity of your heart I know that you love Me, keep coming to Me.”  It is the power that has kept me from quitting over the last decade in my life.  It is the power that motivates me knowing that He sees the sincerity of my heart, it’s revolutionary.

Sid: Although it’s revolutionary I have this question for you.  What keeps you powered to be so hungry for God after all these years?  Doesn’t it become routine to you?

Misty: Yeah, that’s a great question and it’s a question I asked myself often there are times especially in a culture of prayer where it can become very routine you know it becomes like a machine.  We know how to make it work and so I have to be really honest with myself and honest before God, and whenever I feel like my heart is getting cold and I’m just going through the motions I hear that verse in Revelation “That you have a name that your alive but you left your first love.”  And I’ve heard that a few times the Spirit has whispered that to my heart over the years. And I come to Him with repentance and I say “Lord, you wanted my heart from the beginning you didn’t want just me to show up in a prayer room every day that’s not even the point; the point is you want my heart. So I think it’s perpetual returning at the heart level connecting with the Holy Spirit.  And keeping that as my primary vision; my primary dream to go deep in His word and to go deep in the Spirit when I realign my mind and my heart over and over again.  I find that I have to sign back up you know regularly though.

Sid: You know when people hear you sing it’s literally the hunger for God the hunger for the presence of God it’s in your spiritual DNA and it comes out…

Sid: My guest Cris Putnam coauthor of the bestselling book “Petrus Romanus” the last Pope.  Cris on this Friday broadcast I want you to use what you know from having studied the documents in the Catholic Church and interviewing many people in the Catholic hierarchy what you know about scripture, and of course you are theologian, in your sanctified imagination paint me a picture of what we can expect from the last Pope.

Cris: Well, Sid what I’ve uncovered is some particularly disturbing theological constructs that have been adopted within Roman Catholicism.  It really goes back to the work of a Jesuit named Pierre Teilhard de Chardin.  Chardin was a paleontologist that operated… he really discovered evidence for evolution and Darwinism in the early 20^th century. During his time he was widely considered a heretic in Catholic circles.  Now why do people think that Pope Benedict the 16^th he gets described as a conservative in the media and that’s because of his stances on things like abortion and same sex marriage.  And yes he takes conservative stances on those sorts of issues that I found some really startling statements that he’s really adopted Chardin’s concept of evolution.  Chardin kind of pioneered this really mystical system of Darwinism and you know the whole idea of aliens and beliefs in extraterrestrials living on other planets this whole idea of astrobiology it’s really phenomenally founded on a world view that says that life is really not special that it just sort of evolves when the conditions are right.  If you have water and a planet a certain distance from its star with the temperatures are helpful then life will just kind of pop into being.  And because of this they postulate that there’s millions of planets out there, there’s really no reason to assume that the earth is special so we should think that life has to appear all over the place.  And this is the world view that drives modern astronomy and astrobiology; the modern Jesuits have widely accepted this world view and these tenets of the earth being a mediocre planet amongst many.  Now given these world view issues it’s kind of astounding that when I hear people saying that Pope Benedict is you know conservative because he wholeheartedly endorsed this Darwinistic worldview where man is just an evolved prime-mate and you know that extraterrestrials are inevitable culinary to that worldview.  Now with that in mind a lot of things that they write start to come into focus; some of their retrospective theologians Giuseppe Tanzella Nitti who is a member of Opus Dei, and a professor of theology at the University of Holy Cross at Rome.  Has actually written quite a bit on what they call exo-theology.  Now he’s talking about unexpected information of a religious character from extraterrestrial civilizations.  Now what he recommends is that we have to submit this new religious contact coming outside of the earth to analysis of reasonableness.  And once that trustworthiness of this information has been verified then we should try to reconcile the new information with the truth that we already know or believe on the basis of revelation of One True God.  Conducting, this is his words, “A rereading inclusive of the new data similar to that of that would be applied in ordinary religious dialogue.”  So he’s saying that we should reread the revelation that we’ve been given in light of this new data from extraterrestrials.  Now this is their own writings and so it seems like they are anticipating this and have laid the foundation for it.  Now the thing that I find deeply troubling about that is that you know that the track record of them rereading revelation and inter-religious dialogue is already pretty dismal.

Sid: So when you’re saying rereading are you saying reinterpreting it and totally changing the gospel.  Is that what you’re implying?

Cris:  Yeah I think that that is the danger, I think that is what we are looking at and you know the thesis that Tom Horn and I are advocating is that we don’t believe in extraterrestrials.  I mean just to be really honest the Bible doesn’t say one way or the other, BUT it doesn’t give me the impression…you know the Bible has a Philosophy of history you know it tells us that God has a plan for the earth and that the earth is central in His plan.  It tells us that angels long to look into these things.  You know the earth and humanity are a central focus of what we read in scripture.

Sid: Okay if you don’t believe in extraterrestrials what do you believe in?  Do you believe that there will be demons that will pose in that position; is that what you believe?

Cris: That’s absolutely what my thesis is because I don’t see anything in scripture about advanced-extraterrestrials coming down here to help us evolve which is the message that we get from the people that claim to have contact with these things.  But I do see a lot in scripture about a strong delusion a…

Sid: Okay paint me a picture of what this strong delusion could look like in the next few minutes.

Cris: Well, it could happen in several ways, it could be as obvious as a huge UFO appearing over a major city and you know these beings communicating to us that they’re here to save us, that they are the creators. I mean this idea of panspermia that life on earth originated from space is actually very popular within scientific circles.  It could be something as subtle as that it doesn’t have to be a huge UFO over the cities I mean that’s what we expect from the movies.  But it could something as subtle as scientific evidence saying that we were created off earth, or that aliens seeded life on earth; it could be something as subtle as that.  I suspect that it will be somewhere in the middle I kind of think that we will see some sort of entity claiming to be an extraterrestrial; now that’s my speculation. And I think part of that message would be something along the lines of panspermia, and panspermia is the idea that life on earth was seeded from space.

Sid: You know everything that you’re saying to me leads me to one specific scripture which I’ve stated before as I’ve interviewed you and your coauthor and that is 2^nd Thessalonians chapter 2 verse 11. “And for this reason God will send them strong delusion that they should believe the lie.”  If they’re not going to believe the truth God says “We’re going to believe the lie.” Everything you tell me has that scripture just shouting at me.  What do you think about that?

Cris: Yeah, I think that that scripture has a lot of explanatory script.  I think about the way people have been led away from believing in God as creator that you know that this disillusion is going to be clothed in the language of science.  And the sort of thing that people with this naturalistic scientific world view are prime to accept in something like this, something like an extraterrestrial; because it seems to have scientific creditability.

Sid: And another ear mark of the last days is men’s… men are going to be so fearful on what’s coming on the earth.  This all ties in with all the documentation you have accumulated.

Cris:  Yeah, you know when Jesus used that language you know of what is coming of the earth, that seems to be implying something that is seen an extraterrestrial or something not of this earth for it not to come on the earth it must originate from somewhere else.

Sid: I don’t know if you’ve read that best seller “Petrus Romanus the Final Pope is Here,” but I have one of the authors of the book Cris Putnam on the telephone.  If you haven’t heard about the Malachi prophecy just briefly Cris I want you to explain it but for those that aren’t familiar with you, you are a theologian and in particular in grad school.  You studied the history of Catholic and Protestant reformers and this is all been amazing foundation for you because yes your taking prophecies but you’ve also having such a such strong foundation in the word that it gives the perspective that everyone needs. Tell us a bit about the Malachi prophecy.

Cris: Sid it’s great to be on the show with you what we have on this St. Malachi of the Popes is an allegedly a 900 year old prophecy by an Irish Saint.  The way that the account goes St. Malachi had made a pilgrimage to Rome to have an audience with the Pope.  Now on Genicom Hill one of the hills outside of Rome he had a vision from his day 112 Popes into the future with the final Pope reigning during the tribulation.  So the way this vision came across the way he recorded it is a series or Latin phrases of mottoes which seem to predict something about each Pope perhaps a description of his Coat of Arms, or something about his name, or perhaps events that happened during his papacy. So we have this sequence of 112 mottoes.  Now the thing that makes this all very intriguing is that Pope Benedict was 111 out of one 112 meaning that this very next Pope…the prediction for him seems to really strongly infer the end-times.  It says in the extreme persecution of the Holy Roman Church there will sit Peter the Roman who will nourish the sheep in tribulation; when they’re finished the city of Seven Hills will be destroyed and the dreadful judgment will judge his people, the end.  So that is what this 900 year old prophecy predicts to happen during the reign of the next Pope.

Sid: Now how did you know because he didn’t say this, or did, he St. Malachi, how did you know that the Pope would resign so that there would be room for this last Pope?

Cris: Well Sid you know one of the things I learned you know in seminary that you know when you’re digging into a subject like this you know you go out and you read everything that you can find about it.  And you know I’m a Protestant I’m not necessarily predisposed to believing extra Biblical Catholic prophecies, but you know I wanted to give this thing a fair shake.  And one of the books that I read about it and had to translate from French was by a Belgium Jesuit named Renee Tebow, now actually he published this book in 1951. He did all sorts of mystical calculations from the Latin text of this prophecy and he came up with April 2012 as the date of the arrival of the final Pope. Now he didn’t just do that in a trivial way he actually did it from 5 or 6 different calculations.  One of the simplest ones was that he calculated the average reign where a Pope would be in office for 11 years.  That’s what he determined was the average and he just kind of extrapolated that forward from when he was writing in 1950 and he came up with the year 2012. Now of course that was very sensational with all the apocalyptic speculation about the year 2012. You know we put it in out book and there was also some rumors circulating around about Benedict’s health. So we kind of went out on a limb based on his writing and these rumors, and you know we put on pages 57 – 58 of our book that thought that he would step down for health reason.  Well 2012 came and went we were a little bit disappointed and you know figured that just wasn’t going to happen the way Father Tebow said.  But it turns out when I was reading the New York Times on February 11^th this year about Benedict’s stepping down it actually says that the decision was made in end of March after his trip to South America and “Kept with a reserve that no one could violate” so quite literally he made the decision to step down right when this was predicted and then kept it a secret all year.

Sid: Okay from looking at your book you are very honest and you’ve done good journalism in that a few of the prophecies the Pope’s might have been tampered with but just a few.  However the majority, of recent years of course, it was from the original prophecy how accurate was it in your opinion as a Biblical scholar?

Cris:  You know one of the things that I looked at you know is that this thing was published and widely spread across the continent of Europe about 1595 in a book called “Lignum Vitae” so no matter what people might say about it being a forgery or written after the face you really can’t argue about the prophecies after 1595 because no one disputes that it was in print at that time.  Now when you’re testing something like this the way you test the hypothesis in science is you try to falsify it you look for a risky prediction.  And one of the ones that really jumped out at me was Religio-Depopulata. Now in the sequence of the Malachi prophecy that was the prophecy that matched Pope Benedict 15th. Now he was Pope from 1914 to 1922 and that prophecy actually in England was to be Religion-Depopulated.  Now that is a very risky prediction now all things being equal you would expect the church to kind of remain the same.  But what happened from 1914 to 1922?  This was a time of World War I this was devastating to Europe; devastating to the Catholic Church.  To add insult to injury this is the time of the Bolshevik Revolution to Russia up to 200 million people left the church to join the Communist Party and the ones that didn’t Lennon specifically targeted religious leaders.  So right when this prophecy that we can prove was published hundreds of years before said that religion was depopulated we see probably the greatest depopulation of religion in history.

Sid: Tell me your sanctified speculation of what the last Pope’s reign will be like.

Cris:  Well, based on the text of this prophecy we see that it’s talking about the City of Seven Hills being destroyed.  It’s talking about judgment; now the City of Seven Hills is a really transparent reference to the city of Rome. You know this is what captured my imagination because like I said I’m not necessarily predisposed of this sort of Catholic prophecies but I look at the book or Revelation and it talks about the great harlot and the mystery Babylon, I mean it really strongly connects that to the city of Rome. In Revelation 17:9 it’s talking about the seven headed beast and it has two aspects to the heads.  And the first aspect it says that “The heads are seven mountains to which the woman siteth.” Now at the end of Revelation 17 it says “That woman that you saw is that great city that has domination over the kings of the earth.”  Now interpreting the Bible a good general rule is you always start with the author’s intention. Now when John was writing the Book of Revelation around AD 90 it was at the peak of the Roman Empire and so a city that has a dominion over the kings of the earth and the Apostles mind would be an arguing Rome.

Sid: Absolutely, but what is your sanctified speculation what will happen when this Pope rules?

Cris: Well because I see this connection to Biblical prophecy I think that it’s a very good possibility and this is what we argue is that this final Pope is the Biblical false prophet. In Revelation chapter 13. The anti-Christ usually gets most of the press, but around verse 11 or so it describes the second beast and it says he has horns like a lamb yet speaks like a dragon.  Now I think that everyone will agree that like a lamb is an inference to Jesus as the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world.  But generally you know horns and apocalyptic literature are a sign of power so now I think that this description of the false prophet is saying that he’s going to be seen as a powerful Christian leader and yet he’s going to speak like a dragon and leading the world to worship the anti-Christ.  So for those reasons I think worldwide you know people when they think of a powerful Christian leader instantly they would probably answer the Pope; so I see him in that role.

Sid: Okay, your brand new book “Exo-Vaticana” what does that mean?

Cris: Well, this prefix Exo, you know generally implies something other worldly.  We have you know Exo planets where they’re looking at planets outside of our solar system. There’s actually an area of theology now called exo-theology that handles how would theologians handle an extraterrestrial reality.  Catholics have really laid a lot of ground work in that realm of thought and this is what our book is about we think that a very likely component of the end-time scenario will involve a claimed extraterrestrial presence.

Sid: Okay you will not understand end-times without these two books that documents secret files in the Vatican Library and belief in aliens.  Petrus Romonas the last Pope hidden in the Vatican libraries over 900 years ago a vision of the next 112 Popes. Stunning accuracy of the first 111; now this last Pope will take office for the final judgment. The second book “Exo-Vaticana” documents the Vatican’s plan for a rival of an alien god with a small “g.” Secret files in the Vatican library on the reality of alien presence, Vatican’s position on extraterrestrials, Vatican’s project Lucifer. Why 2013 is the year top astronomers say the aliens will be revealed. The breeding and the hybrid program for humans and aliens…

Sid: We want everyone everywhere to have no limits; it’s time to take the limits off of God.  It’s time to proclaim that “It’s Not Over.” I have Ricardo Sanchez on the telephone and we’re talking about his amazing CD “It’s Not Over.”  But from a life experience he’s literally, God has giving him a ministry because everyone is dealing with one or more serious problems in their life.  And some feel they’re hopeless, but when people go to his concerts or hear his teaching supernatural hope is infused and things turn around.  Well how would you like a report your 9 year old son was in a diving accident in the swimming pool, and he has less than 1% to recover, his prognosis is to spend the rest of his life in a wheelchair; maybe a breathing tube, a breathing machine, the tube coming out of his neck.  So you get this report, you worship God, your oblivious to the people, did you feel a breakthrough at that time or you don’t know what you felt?

Ricardo:  Sid I wish I could say that on the airplane when I got the texts from my wife and the phone call that I believed in faith the whole time and that the plane got saved.  That just wasn’t my ending, that wasn’t, or my beginning I should say.  To be quite honest with you I responded quite naturally I was intimidated, I don’t like using the word fear because I have God “Whom shall I fear.”  So the word intimidated comes to mind, I felt like I was about to enter into this battle and I was very nervous and I was in the airplane and I just remember tapping into those old hymns “Amazing Grace,” “Oh the Blood of Jesus,” “Something About that Name.”  And that seemed to be the sliver of hope that I needed to allow the anointing of God, the Balm of Gilead to begin to flow and to begin to heal those areas.  Not just in my life but of my sons, my blood line, those that are carrying on my name and it was through that worship experience that the presence of God began to flow through.  And the song “It’s Not Over” again began to bubble up in my spirit and that’s where I felt it was in that moment of falling on my face in the terminal and crying out to God that the presence of God began to saturate my situation, begin to saturate.  I believe even though I was in Jacksonville I believe that at that very time God began to move in Atlanta, Georgia in my sons body, in the doctors hands, in the ex-rays in the prognosis.  I begin I believe Spirit of God begin to flow in our entire circumstance.

Sid: Now tell me what the firefighter said that loaded your son in the helicopter.

Ricardo: Hmm, Sid this firefighter who had been a firefighter for over 9 years he said “In my 9 years of experience I’ve never seen anybody whether it’s an adult or a young person sustain this kind of injury and ever survive.  So prepare your heart for the worse.

Sid: So although you couldn’t see anything with your eyes I believe that there was a major breakthrough that occurred when you were not ashamed of God, you didn’t care what man thought and you, right in the middle of the airport, you start worshiping your God with every fiber of your being.

Ricardo: Yeah.

Sid: I believe things started changing.

Ricardo: Sid, that’s a great way to describe it because that’s exactly what it was every fiber of my being; I was unashamed of the gospel of Jesus Christ I needed God to move.  In those moments I heard it said “Adversity doesn’t build character but it reveals it.”  And Jesus said “What’s in a man comes out of man,” what they’re made of your character will be speak in those moments of desperation. For me when we heard that paramedic say that, Jeanette had told me this I had nothing left Sid it had emptied the tank, but in the midst of that I hit the floor and begin to worship God and just begin to cry out to Him and begin to ask for His Healing power to touch my son.

Sid: Tell me about the song we’re going to play right now “I’m Not Ashamed?”

Ricardo:  Well, it was kind of one of those moments, I has in Phoenix, Arizona at a concert my record label at the time had gotten us phenomenal seats to sit in about the tenth row.  As the artist is playing and singing there’s a young woman probably 23-24 years old dancing lifting her hands in the air and as a Pentecostal Worship Leader who believes in the Full Gospel I could obviously see she was speaking in tongues, lifting her hands praying in the Spirit.  Well there was a couple behind her that were mocking her, making fun of the way that she worshiped laughing mimicking her, mimicking her in mockery.  And what grabbed my heart as a Worship Leader is I saw this daughter of the woman that was worshiping just so enamored it was almost like her mother was teaching her how to worship.  And I thought “What an attack upon this young girl and her mother in a beautiful moment.”  And right when I was about to say something to this group of people who are making fun of that…you know my father’s a Retired Command Sargent Major in the United States Army and so right when my father’s voice was about to out of me to correct these people my wife nudged me, and the Spirit of God nudged my spirit at the exact same time God spoke to me.  And sometimes my wife and the Spirit of God are the exact same person to be quite honest.  But it was in that moment that God said “These people have no idea of what’s like to be fully dependent upon me for rent, for food, for sustaining life.  This woman is unashamed and could careless who’s watching her worship me.  And I remember going home that evening picking up my guitar and writing “I gonna Dance for You like nobody’s watching me.”

Sid: “I Am Not Ashamed” by Ricardo Sanchez.

Worship excerpt “I Am Not Ashamed”

Sid: Because Ricardo Sanchez was not ashamed God began to move from a 1% chance of survival his son.  I mean he had these pictures of his son being in a wheelchair his whole life, his son having a breathing tube coming out of his neck, a breathing machine.  But he had a breakthrough and I believe that the breakthrough that God has for you is…did you feel the anointing, the presence as Ricardo preaches and teaches about this.  And the presence of God on his music, that’s an anointing and that anointing will remove the limits God has.  I don’t care what problem you have, but as you listen to his CD “It’s Not Over,” and this book, and his teaching CD the anointing is going to cause the same breakthrough that occurred for Ricardo’s son that you’re about ready to hear in your life.  I don’t care whether it’s marriage, I don’t care whether it’s finances, I don’t care whether it’s health, I don’t care whether it’s a flat spirit of depression; I tell you it’s not over.”

Sid: My guest is another Jewish woman that is red hot for the Messiah. She’s been red for God most of her life. She was raised in an observant Jewish home in New York City. Sharon Allen does that mean you followed the festivals, you kept Shabbat, you kept kosher, what was your family life like?

Sharon: Well we kept the commandments from the Torah, Biblical commandments, but we also kept the rabbinical commandments. Those were the commandments that the rabbis added to the original 613 positive and negative commandments, to try and protect the original commandments. So they added rabbinical commandments that we followed.

Sid: Now what did Judaism mean to you growing up?

Sharon: Well for me it meant following God’s ways, and by following God’s ways we were showing our love and devotion to God. So we followed His commandments and for me Judaism was the truth. It was the only way to relate to the one true God.

Sid: Okay, you did what a nice Jewish girl should do; you married a nice Jewish man; you had a child and it did not work out too well. What happened?

Sharon: That’s right, we were married in the Orthodox tradition. Then a few years later we did get a divorce, we had to get a Jewish divorce which is called a Get. Then this Get, this Jewish divorce then enables the couple to remarry other Orthodox Jewish people, once again in an Orthodox ceremony.

Sid: So tell me you get your divorce, you decide to change locations, and you went as far west as you could go. You went to California; you got involved in the real estate business; I mean real estate is booming today, how was it back then?

Sharon: Well it was wonderful. It was in the 1970’s and everybody seemed to be getting their real estate license because there was this huge real estate boom happening. So I got my real estate license and we had moved to the Orange County area. I had brought my parents out to be with me. At the time my real estate license was in a company that was owned by a gentleman by the name of Ron Allen, who would later become my husband. When I first met Ron we got to know each other. Of course, everybody who meets me knows that I’m Jewish. Of course at the time everyone knew my Jewish ways, and my daughter and I were involved in a synagogue because when you’re an Orthodox Jewish person your life revolves around the synagogue. The only thing that my husband, he wasn’t my husband at the time, but when I first met Ron, the only thing Ron had ever told me was that he was a protestant. He never mentioned church; he never mentioned Christianity; he never mentioned the name Jesus if had I would have run in the other direction. All he ever said was that he was a protestant. Actually business was his religion at the time. He was a very successful businessman. So we started dating, and he became more and more involved in our Jewish ways. In fact, every time he would see my parents my mother would say, “Oh he’s so haymishe,” which means “He’s so comfortable to be with.” Little by little Ron became involved with our family, and with the synagogue.

Sid: So you eventually got married and you became, as you just said with the synagogue. What kind of synagogue was it?

Sharon: We were involved with Chabad of Irvine Jewish Center, Lubavitch; Orthodox.

Sid: For those that don’t know about the Lubavitch, or Chabad, tell us a little about it.

Sharon: Chabad Synagogues observe the Torah very strictly, and rabbinical law very strictly. Even those who are not raised in such a strict manner somehow or other, many of the families who maybe are not so familiar with Orthodox ways they want to join a Chabad Synagogue because it’s a way that they feel comfortable. Maybe they’re not observing all the Yiddish kite, which are Jewish lies, but by being in an Orthodox Synagogue they feel like they’re linking up to the One true God. That is why in the Chabad of today we have a modern Chabad attitude. Where we’re very open to all Jewish families in the community.

Sid: So Ron, your husband, is haymishe, but he’s not Jewish. So obviously you make plans for his conversion. How did that go?

Sharon: Well you know it was interesting because when I married Ron he actually adopted Alisa, my daughter Alisa. In the adoption papers it actually stated that he would raise Alisa Jewish. So we are living Jewish life, and it did become very obvious to everyone including Ron, that he’s ready what is called to have a Kosher conversion, which is considered an Orthodox conversion. So at this particular time it was this particular morning, and I just in a very nonchalant voice said “Well you know Ron there are basically 3 ceremonies that you’ll be doing to actually have this Kosher conversion, Orthodox conversion.” We wanted and Orthodox conversion as opposed to Reformed or Conservative conversion because when it’s an Orthodox conversion it’s excepted in all the countries and it’s especially accepted in Israel. So at the time we felt that the Kosher conversion, the Orthodox conversion, is the only way to go. So the first ceremony when a person wants to be converted to Judaism is a mikvah. They are water immersed into a mikvah, which is similar to a baptism, but the water immersion into a mikvah is for purification and identification with the Jewish people, and of course Ron was fine with that. Then the second ceremony, this is for a man who wants to be converted to Judaism. The second ceremony would be circumcision. In the case of my husband was already circumcised as a baby, and for all men who want to have an Orthodox conversion who have already been circumcised, like my husband when they were babies. What the rabbis do is they just draw a little bit of blood, and it’s symbolic. Ron was fine with that because it’s Biblical. Then the next ceremony that I explained to Ron would be that he would appear before a Bet Din, a council of rabbis, a rabbinical court. He would appear before this Bet Din, and he would renounce whatever he believed in before. Now I am not sure if this is necessary for a Reformed conversion, or a Conservative conversion, but it is very important to do this for an Orthodox conversion. In a very matter of fact way I said to my husband “Well I guess because you know you said you were Protestant I guess you’ll renounce That Man.” Because Orthodox people, we don’t say the name of Jesus, we say “That Man.” So I said to Ron, “I guess you’ll renounce That Man.” He looked at me and he said “I don’t think I can do that.” I was shocked! I said “What do you mean you can’t do that?!” I mean it was a horror for me because here we are we’re living a Jewish life, our daughter is going to Hebrew Academy. I mean there are Jewish fathers who don’t send their children to Yeshiva. Our daughter is going to Yeshiva; our home is used for Jewish outreach. In other words, when the synagogue wanted to bring in the Jewish families from the community who may not be involved in a synagogue, we would open our home. We would have different activities. One was like a flower arranging show, and we had it for the ladies. I was driving the…

Sid: Sharon, if he is not going to renounce as you say “That Man,” as I’ll say “Jesus,” so what’s going to happen with this conversion he can’t convert?

Sharon: Well I was in shock! I ran into Alisa’s room; I said “You’re not going to believe this your father says he can’t renounce ‘That Man.’” Then in a moment I had a thought I’ll just go and read my Jewish Bible. I figured it wouldn’t take long, I’d begin to read page 1, I’d read a couple…

Sid: I’ll tell you what hold that thought.

Sid: My guest Dave Brennan and he has revelation from the Book of Zechariah that I’ve never heard people talk about. Zechariah talks about a quartet of four nations that work in tremendous unity. He wrote two books on this subject “The Israel Omen” and “The Israel Omen II.” And in his first book you sound like a fairly cautious guy Dave but you took a leap of faith and you made some predictions based on what you’ve seen happen in the past if reference to coming against Israel.  And you know it’s amazing what you said there that came true; tell us another one.

David: Yeah what is that we look for a major policy shift against Israel and that seems to trigger some type of historical calamity. We actually receive that, that’s what was indicated in the middle part of 2009 as Obama’s administration was just getting going.  And it was pointed out that if this happens then this is what we need to look for.  And it happened on May 19^th 2011.  The President came out in a speech that was described as being very strongly Pro-Palestinian to the point where he was asking Israel to go back to the pre-1967 borders which by previous presidents viewed as something you would never ask Israel to do.  He also indicated that he didn’t want the Palestinian state, that would be created to be severed in two he wanted it to be one continuous land mass. Well the problem with that is that Israel gets in the way.  So it means that Israel would have to be bisected. It was such a strong shift against Israel and US policy that the Washington Post indicated it as such, Democratic Senate leader Harry Reed did, Alan Dershowitz a Harvard Law Professor did as well.

Sid: These are the closest Obama team you can speak of all came against Obama saying that.

David: Yes, so it qualified as what we would be looking for Sid that should produce the historically significant calamity associated with it. So let’s see what happened here.  We know the speech came out on May 19^th, however we know that that isn’t the day that he came up with the policy.  Some weeks earlier the administration obviously came up with the policy and the May 19^th speech was the result of it.  So we can actually track down when he came up with that policy be looking at the actions of his Middle East point man George Mitchell.  Mitchell tendered his resignation letter which was announced about one week before the President’s big speech. It was highly unusual because to have your point man for the Middle East resign just prior to you giving a big speech is not something the administration could have been too happy about.  But Mitchell resigned just the same before the President’s big speech indicating in strong diplomatic terms “I disagree strongly with this policy.” But the New York Times reported that his letter was written on April 6^th. Well since we know how strongly he felt against the policy we can infer that once the policy was decided upon it was probably not more than a day or two that he tendered his letter of resignation.  That brings us to April 4^th or 5^th and what happened would be began happening on April 4^th 2011 is what is described as the worst tornado rampage in world history, not just U.S., but world history as well as flooding only comparable to 1927.  So tragically it included the monster tornado that struck Joplin, Missouri; I was in that area of the country back in July and it just incredible what that tornado produced there.  In addition it was now the record was broken by hundreds of tornadoes; I believe it was 892 tornadoes were accounted for over a period of about one month.  And it all began on April 4^th which coincidentally appears to mark the best date we can narrow down to when the new policy was started.  You can also look back and see in the state of Alabama that they were just ravaged by tornadoes.  I know in Louisiana the flooding that we experienced caused what we call the spillway to be open which caused people to have to move out of the spillway to let the water go in there.  It just impacted a lot of people.

Sid: You know with the current anti-Israel administration in, I can understand why the majority of the Jewish people voted for President Obama the first election, but it defies reason why the majority of the Jewish people in the United States of America voted for him a second time when he is so anti-Israel and the administration is so anti-Israel.  It kind of reminds me to a parallel of Adolf Hitler when the Jewish people were blinded to even him until he started doing things.  Do you see that?                                               

David: I think it’s a state of disbelief; there’s a lack of the ability to wrap one’s mind around certain concepts because they’re too unpleasant.  And I think in this case you know I’m not sure that Jewish people realize just how dangerous the situation is growing for Israel by the day in the Middle East.  You know you’ve got regimes being toppled for example the Muslim Brotherhood took over in Egypt good-gosh really I mean how dangerous is that.

Sid: But they keep having visits to the White House, they are friends of the Administration.

David: It blows you away because they will never be a friend of the United States or Israel.

Sid: For those that don’t really know the Muslim Brotherhood tell me what their objective is.

David: Their objective is the destruction of Israel, complete eradication of the Jews from the land and to take back Al-Quds they call it, which is Jerusalem.  The leader of the Muslim Brotherhood who is so cozied up with Obama Administration was in the United States worshiping and they were able to read his lips as he came in agreement with the cleric who was speaking about desiring the annihilation of the Jews in Israel.  So there’s no doubt that they’re not a friend of the United States, there not a friend of Israel and we shouldn’t be cozying up to them but for some strange reason the United States is under President Obama.

Sid: Well, tell me about some of the next things you see happening based on having reported what would happen in your first book and it did happen. What are some of the new things you see happening.                           

David: You know I talk about the, what I call three common denominators to all of these historically significant disasters, when we look at each one of them they do in fact have three common denominators.  If you look at the first effort which was the Madrid Peace Process in 1991 the whole concept behind that was if we can just get Israel to give away land it’s going to result in peace.  So the word “peace” is established in that.  The round 6 of Madrid produced a move toward that ultimately lead to the Oslo Peace Accord the whole concept was peace.  Every single effort is in the name of peace and it’s important here to distinguish between real peace and the facade of peace.  So we have that one denominator that’s common to every one of these 13 calamities that we’ve looked at the word peace.  The other most obvious word associated with all of them is “destruction.”  You know the destruction of what we’re looking at is historical in each and every one.  We’re not looking at any run of the mill type of calamities but we’re looking at historical, we’re looking at the Perfect Storm. Wow was that an odd storm when you study about it once in a hundred years.  Hurricane Andrew good gosh I was in Florida at the time they asked anyone going south to bring water to the poor people.  The great flood in 19…

Sid: All of these occurred within hours of coming against Israel and these are some of the worst calamities to ever hit in the history of America!

David: And you just hit the nail on the head for the third one, not only do we have the word peace associated with all of these but also the word destruction which we just looked at, but you just said the third one, it was “sudden destruction.”  It happened immediately and usually it happened to the day that the effort was being launched at worst, it began the week of it. I don’t know if anyone’s ever calculated the odds of this but it would have to be astronomical.  Now this is the thing, if the Lord wants believer’s to see a sign that will be missed by the world; in other words those of us who are being watchful and sober concerning the times that we live in, then we seem to have three recurring themes since 1991 playing like a broken record.   Peace, then sudden destruction, peace then sudden destruction, playing over and over again.  So perhaps we need to take a look and step back and say “Hey there must be a message here,” and in fact when you consider that particular phrase there is.  If you go to 1^st Thessalonians chapter 5 we told “When they say peace and safety then sudden destruction comes upon them and they shall not escape.”  Well, it’s a pretty dire warning but it’s exactly representative of what we’ve been seeing.

Sid: So in affect that scripture that most Christians are familiar with is we’re getting previews of it and we’re being shown exactly what ingredients that are necessary for it to happen.  We’re out of time but I’m going to tell you this is fascinating this is new revelation from scripture.

SID: So Jennifer has a great miracle. She has a relationship with God. God begins answering her prayers. She’s out of jail. Her record just totally disappears. She’s back and reunited with her daughter. She’s making $3000 a week. She has an extraordinary gift for writing. She’s making $3000 a week. And then all of a sudden she loses her job. She’s now making zero a week. She’s on food stamps. That must have been quite a comedown.

JENNIFER: It really was. It was very humiliating, honestly, having to go from having sort of everything to nothing. But what I had was worth more than all the money in the world. At this point, I had Jesus.

SID: Well and because she had a relationship with the Messiah things began to change as you began to pray. Tell me what happened.

JENNIFER: Well I began, as I said, to devour the Word and I never stopped. I began to meditate on the Word, and I began to put the Word into practice. And it’s one thing to read the Word and it’s another to study the Word. But when we put our action on the Word, that’s when we begin to see results, and that’s what I did. I plugged into a good church, I got equipped and I began to take the Word at face value. You know, if the Word says it, I believe that’s what it means.

SID: Well speaking of the Word saying it, one day, God speaks to you and He says to you, you’re robbing me. What did He mean?

JENNIFER: Yeah. I was living, very little money at the time. But what I did have I was generous. I would let people borrow it. And they kept stealing it from me. I wouldn’t be able to pay a bill because someone had taken the money that I lent to them. And I was really very angry and annoyed. And I was down on my couch on my knees, and I said, “God, you know, what is going on with this? I’m generous, I’m trying to help people. What is going on? I’m tired of all these people robbing from me.” And I heard the still small voice, and my heart says, “Well stop robbing from me.” And it was then that I learned really to tithe, to give the 10 percent to God. And I tell you when I did that, Sid, things slowly, it didn’t happen overnight, but step by step, began to turn around for me.

SID: Well give me kind of a review of what’s going on with you right now about the turnaround. How many books have you published? Have you ever seen those books for dummies in bookstores? She’s written a couple of them. Tell me about that.

JENNIFER: I’ve written several of those now, and those were the first books that I began to write long before I began to write religious books. And so I’ve written a number of those. I’ve now written eight Christian books on top of that. And God has taken the gift within me and used to bring increase and to bring prosperity into my life, and He’ll do the same thing for anybody.

SID: Okay. Tell me about the oceanfront condo. I mean, from food stamps to an oceanfront condo. Tell me about that.

JENNIFER: It’s really supernatural. What happened was I began to understand the law of confession, and I’m not talking about the name and claim it. I’m talking about standing in line with what God’s Word says. And so I began, I had a desire in my heart. I wanted an oceanfront condo. And so I began to confess: I have an oceanfront condo and it is paid for, back in 2005. I have an oceanfront condo and it is paid for. And I just, everyday, I had a list of confessions and I would read that. At the same time I would tithe, I would give offerings and I would work hard. And sure enough, within five years I have an oceanfront condo. And guess what?

SID: What?

JENNIFER: It’s paid for.

SID: I like that. How would you like that? Anything God will do for her, God will do for you. But let me ask you something. You struggled with fear and doubt, and unbelief. What did God show you about doubt and unbelief?

JENNIFER: God showed me a couple of things. Doubt is the doorway to unbelief, and unbelief will lead to fear. But the Holy Spirit showed me something even last night. He said, “The battle is in the mind, but the war is for your heart.” And the reason why is because—

SID: Wait a second. Explain that first.

JENNIFER: The battle is in the mind. So we have thoughts. The enemy launches his fiery darts. And really the battle is in the mind. It’s the thought, it’s the imaginations, it’s the suggestions that we hear: well you’ll never prosper, well you’ll never be healed, well you’ll never do this or that. And that’s the enemy bringing doubt, causing you to bring doubt that you will doubt God’s Word. See the battle is in the mind, but the war is for your heart. See, because the Bible says that we believe with our heart and we don’t believe with our mind. Believing with our mind is simply mental ascent. But believing with our heart, having pure faith in our heart, that is where the miracles happen.

SID: We’re going to come back in a moment and I want you to share the revelation that she had of how to believe with all of your heart, because that’s the reason that many of you are not having your prayers answered. There’s fear, there’s doubt, there’s unbelief. And even though you say, I believe, you really aren’t believing in your heart. We’ll be right back.

Sid: I am really overwhelmed of the value of this brand new tool Mike Shreve that you’ve just come out with.  It’s a book and 4 CD’s called “Sixty-Five Promises from God for Your Child.”  I believe that it’s a right on book because on yesterday’s broadcast I was talking to you about our school system, education system where there calling black white, they’re doing the opposite of God’s word. By the time someone graduates from college and has gone through out school system they will find systematically everything they’ve taught their children under-minded unless they’re undergirded by a faith that is Bible faith it’s not hope, it’s not struggling, it’s absolute knowing.  And that’s why you’re book, you’ve researched it, you’ve used it on your own family; you’ve gotten so many testimonies of people that have heard your teaching and they’re finding miraculous results going on.  I’ll tell you, share one quick testimony of someone that has used your teaching with their children or grandchildren.

Mike:  Well, I got an email recently from a woman who knows you very well, in fact twenty years ago you witnessed to her husband in an airport up in Baltimore and he came to the Lord.  And because of the kind of life that he was before he got saved it affected the children in that family.  The son became a heroin addict, but this woman became familiar with a particular revelation that God’s given me and she began praying the promises over her son who was a heroin addict and he was all messed up in a lot of ways couldn’t hold down a job just totally rebellious. Now she emailed me and she said “He’s off of heroin completely, he’s got a job a great job,” and she’s just believing God to do even more miracles in his life.  And so but she began claiming promises like Deuteronomy 30 verse 6 where God said “I will circumcise your heart and the heart of your seed to love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul so you may live.”  You cannot legislate love; you can’t force anyone to love a concept, to love God, to love you.  You can’t make a child love you nor can you make a child love God.  But God said, “You claim this promise Deuteronomy 30 verse 6 I will circumcise your heart and the heart of your seed.”  Which to me means that God will cut away the worldly influence, the negative peer pressure; He’ll circumcise the heart, he’ll cut away, He’ll peel away the carnality that rules the fallen nature, and that He will implant within that child genuine love for God.  And she began claiming that promise and it wasn’t I guess it was about a year she kept praying, and it doesn’t always happen overnight, but he got off of heroin, God changed his life.

Sid: Would you explain for those because it’s a brand new book and it’s just literally off the press, would you explain what is accomplished in this book and the 4 CDs.

Mike:  Well I believe it’s a major assault against the enemy on a battlefield that every parent knows very well.  Because there is well, we have history of how for instance the enemy through Pharaoh tried to destroy Moses’ generation in order to prevent the seed that would come to bring deliverance.  And I believe the enemy has an orchestrated plan right now to destroy this generation with witchcraft, perversion, with all kinds of dark agendas. So we have to go to business with warring against the adversary.  The way you wind a battle with demonic forces is the words. That’s how Jesus fought the devil He would say “It is written, you don’t fight with your emotions, you don’t fight with logic, you fight with the word of God and when you find the specific promises, sixty-five promises that God’s given to our children, and you begin to wage warfare with those promises it definitely has an impact in the Spirit realm.  One of my favorite promises for backslidden children is Proverbs 11:21 “The seed of the righteous shall be delivered.”  The whole verse says “Though hand join in hand the wicked shall not go unpunished but the seed of the righteous shall be delivered.”  And when a parent who has a backslidden bound, up child that is all bound up in the world and in sin begins to speak that over the their lives I believe that it disintegrates the yoke eventually.  The word of God will prevail in that child’s behalf.

Sid: Well, I have your book open I just opened it at random let me explain what I’m seeing; here is, and these again are 65 verses; you should have one book for your children and grandchildren and in some cases if you have great grandchildren.  First of all you have the scripture for salvation.  “Believe on the Lord Jesus and you will be saved, you and your household.”  Then you do very anointed teaching on this scripture so that someone will believe this they just won’t be saying words out in the atmosphere it will be from a heartfelt conviction.  And then you have, you’ve written the prayer for them and then you have a space form them to actually insert their child or their grandchild or great-grand child’s name.  And I can picture every day I’m looking at the gentleman that produces our television show Warren Marcus and I know he has children, and I know that he has grandchildren. I can see him getting one of these books and putting his daughters name, his son’s name, his grandchildren’s name and every day getting up early and sowing into his children and grandchildren something that money can’t buy.  And you know these 4 CDs that you’ve done Mike, God has given you such a supernatural level of belief from seeing what God did in your own family from the thousands of positive feedback from different people from all walks of life and all situations that have done this.  In fact I got to ask you a question, your son who was supposed to have mental damage and had such a traumatic birth.  And your daughter that was supposed…they wanted you to abort her and now you see them today and now you see them better than normal you see children of Godly parents should be way beyond normal. They should be extraordinary and tell me about when your son was 4 years old he had a dream about heaven.

Mike:  Oh yes, that fits in with the promise “All you shall be taught by the Lord and great shall be the peace of your children.”  One morning my son came down from his bedroom and he said “Mommy, daddy I died in my sleep last night and met Jesus and He showed me around Heaven.”  And of course he didn’t die but that’s how he interpreted it because it seemed to him as he had left his body and went to Heaven.  And he used words that were adult words. For instance he said “Jesus told him not to ever watch bad television and to always have compassion for all people.”  He looked at me quizzically and he said “Daddy what does compassion mean?”    

Sid: At four of course he doesn’t know what that word means.

Mike:   Yeah the very fact that he didn’t know what the word meant let me know that it was a legitimate experience and I told him I said, “Well, that’s love feels the suffering of other people.”  And so that was a real transformational experience for him. I had been claiming that passage of scripture.  I’ve always searched through the promises of God there’s 7,487 promises in the Bible from Genesis to Revelation, but there’s 65 that belong to our children.  And one of my favorites is Deuteronomy 7:9 where the Bible says “He is a faithful God who keeps covenant and mercy with them that love him to a thousand generations.”  A generation is either 40 years or a 100 years; there’s controversy on that.  Well if it’s 40,000 years we don’t have that much time but God says for 40 millennia there will be hovering over of covenant and mercy over those that had come forth from your family-line long before you will be forgotten there will be people in this world with a reservoir of mercy hovering over their lives, if you’re in a relationship, a submitted relationship with God.  And so if the impact last that long it’s certainly going to hover over my sons, and daughters my grandsons, my granddaughters.

Sid: Just very briefly you prayed this way with your daughter for a month for her to receive the baptism of the Holy Spirit. At age 6 briefly what happened to her?

Mike:  Well, actually I prayed a very specific verse or two verses Isaiah 44 verses 3 and 4.  Where God said “I will pour water on him who is thirsty and floods on the dry ground and I will pour My Spirit on your descendants and my blessing on your offspring.”  Well I began to confess the promise over her, she was 5 years old at the time.  She was in one of my meetings where I was preaching and that night she fell out under the power of God was overwhelmed by the Spirit she crawled up in my arms and spoke in tongues for about 45 minutes and then she looked at me with tears streaming down out of her eyes and she said “Oh daddy Jesus filled me,” now would that have happened had I not claimed the promise?  I’m not so sure, there is such a power in knowing these promises and claiming them…

Sid: Oh Mike we’re out of time.

SID: Hello, Sid Roth here with Ron and Glenda Pettey. Ron dies on the operating table. He’s instantly in heaven. There’s a registration desk. An angel looks through the book. His name is not there. He causes, as he says, a ruckus. I don’t blame him. I would cause a ruckus too. But Ron, there were people on earth praying for you. Tell me about that.

RON: There was a lot of, what I’m calling, confusion in heaven. I had it thought of as a quiet, serene, beautiful place, and when I got there, it was a lot of noise, like walking into a large auditorium. A large auditorium and hearing everybody talk at one time. And I didn’t understand what it was. The person behind this desk asked me…

GLENDA: I think you asked him, “What is all this noise?”

RON: Yeah, and this person behind the desk said “Don’t you know?”

RON: I said “No, I don’t. Tell me what it is.” These were all intercessory prayers coming up on my behalf.

SID: So all the noise that you were hearing were people praying for you to not die.

GLENDA: Right.

RON: In disbelief, I said “You’ve got to be kidding me. I don’t know this many people.” The person behind the desk said “Would you like to hear one?” A prayer was drawn out. I was drawn to it, basically, and I heard every word that man was praying. And it was verified, because I think two Sundays before, they had started recording their messages, and it was all on tape.

SID: So when you heard it, it was word-for-word? Actually, as I understand it from the book,
you said the prayer, and then you listened to it? Is that what happened?

GLENDA: Exactly. That’s exactly what happened. So Mabry Cain, our friend, said “Well we prayed for you a lot of times. I don’t remember a particular time.” So Ron explained again, said the prayer, quoted him an exact phrase, which was a unique phrase, and then they found the tape, and it matched exactly. SID: You had so many wonderful experiences in heaven. One had to do with, you had a stillborn baby. Tell me about that.

RON: I’ll let… Ok. I’m sorry.

GLENDA: Ron relives his testimony, his story, every time we’re asked to share it. And that’s a very difficult part. He heard children’s voices, and one child’s voice was drawn out above the others. He tried to walk near to this barrier, but he could not pass through. He could not see the children, he could hear them playing as if playing in water, a stream. They sounded very happy. But he immediately knew that voice drawn out was our son, Jason. And as you walked toward the wall, or the barrier…

RON: This very large, authoritative angel stood in my way; put his hand over my face. It was a large hand, because it covered my entire face. He said “He’s fine, he’s taken care of. Now move back.” And I did. I moved back to the table where my name wasn’t in the book. I moved back to that table.

SID: Glenda, the thing in his story… It’s an overwhelming story, about the children in heaven.

GLENDA: Right. The next scene Ron was aware of were many thousands of people walking in the same direction. It was a corridor of people. Ron looked ahead to see where they were going, and Jesus was there, seeming to receive them. The majority of the people were children, children of all sizes and ages, with adults sprinkled throughout the crowd. You also saw children carrying something in their hands.

RON: What these children were carrying were other children. What I saw was not other children, I saw a miniature adult in their hands; what these children would’ve become if they’d have not been aborted or stillborn.

SID: Ron, you made eye contact with a young man in heaven. Tell me about that. It was very significant.

RON: This young man, almost in a mischievous way, said “I made it, I made it, I made it. And you didn’t.”

GLENDA: As he was walking along in the crowd, you made eye contact.

RON: He walked up to the Lord. Now the Lord was there. He passed through the Lord into heaven. I just… The Bible just came alive, because it says the only way to enter into heaven is through Jesus Christ Himself. That’s the only way.

SID: And what did the Lord tell you about this young man?

RON: He said…

GLENDA: Two words.

RON: Two words: “Remember this.” I thought I was supposed to remember that young man, and I would never forget him. I still don’t, to this day.

SID: But there was a reason that Jesus said that, and it’s so amazing. Don’t go away, we’ll be right back after this word.