Sid Roth

Sid: When that wall comes down Paul tells us a mystery one new brand new species of man is created; it’s called Yeshua; the Kind of the Jews; the Body of Messiah. And it’s going to be what the Bible calls the Glorious Congregation. Because there will be so much glory the world has yet to see this. But when the Jewish people come in and they’re coming in I see through the eyes of faith they’re coming in to the Body of Messiah in droves to form the one new man. And I’ll tell you something; it’s happening right now before our very eyes although I’m looking at it through the Spirit of Faith. It’s happening in the United States of America. Why, because great persecution is coming on the Jewish people and God is going to have mercy just before that door is closed. And the mercy that He’s going to have one of the ways is He’s opened a door for me to be on secular radio 1 hour a week and maybe it will even be 5 days a week with call in talk show on the supernatural. The world is desperate for the supernatural; but they don’t know the difference between the New Age and the Supernatural power of God. Because too few of God’s children are moving in His Supernatural. The devils not shy but God’s children are caught in secret sensitive churches, seeker sensitive Pentecostal Churches. Seeker sensitive Charismatic Churches. I can’t believe that these Charismatic Churches say that you can’t even speak in tongues unless there’s a translation. They don’t even want singing in the Spirit any more. They don’t even pray for the Baptism of the Holy Spirit; but things are about ready to change. And the church needs an injection of new life; of new blood. And these Jewish people are going to come in and God’s opened this door for me to be on secular radio; a call in talk show. And we’ve started already but I must be every major city in the United States because we Jewish people are spread throughout the United States. And I have got a shofar blast saying that if you have ever ever given to anyone, if you have ever sown money don’t sow because I promise you a 100 fold return. Sow because I promise you souls. Is there someone that would sow into this ministry just to take souls to heaven. Is there someone that loves God enough. We’re making available Perry Stone’s book; that’s Fred’s son on “Unlocking Secrets in the Second Coming Scrolls.” This book has got mysteries of prophecies that I’ve never seen before; ancient prophecies and revelation of prophecies. You see the Prophet Daniel says that in the last days we’ll have insight into these prophecies like we’ve never had before. And Perry Stone has been called by God; he has such understanding of Jewish Roots. We’re making this book called “Unlocking Secret’s in the Second Coming Scrolls.”….I just pray that there are people that will put 1000 in, 10,000; 50,000, 100,000. Let’s get this job done quickly, I’ll do my part; God will do his part and I believe you’re going to do your part. I have on the telephone someone that I am so excited about. His name is Fred Stone; he’s Perry’s father. And he’s been sharing that he picked up such an anointing from his Uncle Rufus who had major miracles happen. And one of the things that Uncle Rufus was given was the gift of divers tongues. He only had a 3^rd grade education and he could speak in so many different languages and understood what he was saying. So Fred you have this gift too and you were telling me about Tony; would you tell that story again.

Fred: Yes Brother we had just visited the hospital and was coming down the street and I was introduced to Tony by Truman Smith. And as a Greek who had come over going to school to learn to speak good witness. And I wanted to witness to him Sid; I had a great yearning to witness to him that would be positive and would help him. But I knew that he didn’t understand enough of my native English to really grasp everything. So I began to pray and the Spirit of the Lord spoke to me in a still small voice; spoke to my spirit; not in an audible voice and said “Son, do you have the gift of the Holy Ghost that I gave on the day of Pentecost to the church?” And I said “Yes Lord.” He said “What did they do on the day of Pentecost?” And I said “There was 15 or 16 languages and dialect that those Jewish men and woman were speaking.” And He said “That is there a different gift then than there is now?” And I said “No Lord, I believe it’s the same gift.” And the Spirit of God sad “Son, if you’ll believe Me right now and use your faith you can speak to Tony.” And so I stopped the 3 of us and I pulled the New Testament out and I said “Tony, I want to say something to you and I want to just read some scripture.” And when I turned Brother is was the 23^rd Psalm and I began to read but instead of reading in English, I started speaking in tongues and a few minutes later I found out that I started out in Tony’s native Greek. Went from that to German and went from German to Italian and spoke each language. The 3 languages twice, and when through the entire 23 Psalm and witnessed to him about the Lord. And went I finished he said to Truman Smith, he said “Truman, you lied to me.” And Truman said “No, I wouldn’t lie to you Tony; why would you say that?” He said “I asked you if this man go to college to speak and to preach and you say no, and he has to be educated because you know he can’t do that; I speak German and my Greek and my Italian and I have to stop and think if I go from Greek to German, to Italian; I have to stop and think that man don’t even stop; he don’t think he just speaks. And I opened the Bible and showed him in the Book of Acts the gift of the Holy Ghost.” Now the amazing thing Sid is to show you shy God does this is and uses divers kinds of tongues

. Twenty-five years later I’m at a Church of God in a city a little town in Virginia preaching and I tell the story I’m telling you already your audience now and a woman’s voice in the back of the church yells out “Oh, that’s a my Tony, that’s a my Tony, that’s a my Tony.” And I heard it and I asked her to stand; she stood up discreet woman and I asked her to come to the front. And I said “Sister I’ve to know something what relation are you?” She said “I’m Tony’s sister; Tony come home that day and tell us of this tall black headed preacher that would tell him about Jesus Christ and speak 3 languages to him.” And I said “Sister did he get saved, did he ever accept Christ? Yes, he did, Mr. Stone he accepted the Lord.” And when he died of a heart attack and I believe at that time of course that’s been years ago. She said “He died last year of a heart attack.” But she said “Yes, he knew the Lord” and she said “He received Baptism of the Holy Ghost just like I did that’s why I’m in this Church tonight.”

Sid: You know other gifts that God has given you is prophetic dreams where you literally will see things and warn people about danger. But one of your dreams you had is just astounding. You saw an Israeli leader an others being murdered; tell me about that.

Fred: Yes, Sid what had happened I was seeking God and really praying seeking the Lord getting ready to do some preaching the next night I believe it was and that night this is the dream I had. “I am standing in my spirit man or soulish man in a conference center; there is an Arab leader seated; there is a PLO leader seated and there and there is the head of the Jewish State seated. This had been several years ago; I believe that it was in the 1980’s. And what we would call in the United States Secret Service I would call security men. Somebody had betrayed this man; he had got inside the security line of the Israeli Prime Minister of Israel. But I did not know at that point that’s who it was. But when I told Perry about it Perry called Lieutenant Gideon Shore of Jerusalem and I told Gideon about it and Gideon said “Oh Fred, that is our Prime Minister” he said “That’s the way that he was dressed and all.”

Sid: That’s Yitzhak Rabin.

Fred: Yes, and Brother I wish to God that I would have called the Israeli Embassy and I could have done that in a way with wisdom and told them to be sure and watch security and…

Sid: And Yitzhak Rabin was assassinated. Fred very quickly what have you seen for the future of America?

Fred: Well one thing is this “There will be the greatest increase of sexual perversion taught and pushed on the American people. This is coming to America; there’s going to be some of the most sarcastic and bitter and cynical statements made against me and it’s preaching to radio, television. We’re going to be fault; it’s unreal how the church in the future will be fought; parallel with a great outpouring of revival and a move of God is going to be apostasy and persecution like we have never seen in the United States of America. I know that’s coming also there will be serious critical terrorist against us coming. I have seen them; I know that I don’t have time to mention it to it now but I have literally seen just like watching television a vision to come to me and the Holy Ghost of terrorist attacks coming to America.

Sid: Do you think this is in the near future?

Fred: Yes I do.

Sid: Okay Mishpochah you heard that I unfortunately believe that; you believe that. There will come a time when dollars won’t have any value accept for souls. He who wins souls is wise.

Fred: There going to use your money to the glory of God and invest it in the kingdom of God and turn their money into genuine spiritual wealth. This is the time to do it; the time is short.

Sid: Okay Mishpochah consider yourself challenged.

SID: Okay. I’m here with Dr. Anderson. And he found out that his hands are naturally cold. Butwhen he exams a patient, what normally happens, Dr. Anderson, with your hands?

REGGIE: Well they are extremely cold. And when I shake a person’s hands, they usually comment on it. Even you said something to me the other day. And they start to warm up whenever I’m examining a patient and I find an area that’s not cold.

SID: Give me one example.

REGGIE: Well I had one patient that I shook her hand and she was just a friend of my mother’s, and I asked her if she had any thyroid issues and she did not know of any. And I told my mom that she probably ought to check with her doctor. Sure enough, two weeks later, she called her mom and said, “You do have some thyroid issues.”

SID: You know, the thing that still amazes me about how he holds hands with hundreds of people. And you told me that there’s almost like a breeze that you feel. Tell me. Describe graphically things you see and feel, and sense.

REGGIE: Well there was another case of a young boy that was in the emergency room, that I had examined after he had injured his head. And I put my hand on his head where he had injured it, and there didn’t seem to be anything outwardly wrong with him. As a matter of fact, I was going to send him home with just some instructions. But as I was speaking the words to the mother, I said, “I think we need to send your young son to Vanderbilt to have a CT scan.”

SID: Why did you say that?

REGGIE: I don’t know to this day other than God spoke those words through me.

SID: What happened?

REGGIE: Four hours after I sent him in, the neurosurgeon called me. And I was expecting him to kind of give me [unintelligible] of a normal child. But he said, “If you had not sent this child in, he would have died. He had a bleed inside his head and we just finished surgery.”

SID: Tell me someone that died, medically speaking, came back to life and told you what they saw.

REGGIE: Sure. She was suffering from a heart attack and we sent her in to the cardiologist, and he discovered that she had a blockage. Took her to the cath lab, was doing a procedure to open the blockage and she died. And he did CPR on her. She was flat-lined for two hours.

SID: And you’re sure she was dead. I guess flat-lined is short hand for dead.

REGGIE: Right. The cardiologist called me as said, I mean, we went on and on with this

procedure because I had a resident that I wanted to train on how to do CPR. Anyway, after two hours she woke, I mean her heart started. So we took her to the ICU.

SID: Why did her heart start after the flat-line for two hours?

REGGIE: God only knows.

SID: Medically, is there an explanation.

REGGIE: There was not any explanation and neither did the cardiologist have one. He just said her heart started, despite us—

SID: So if he hadn’t been experimenting, she would have died.

REGGIE: Absolutely.

SID: Okay. Let’s go on.

REGGIE: So three days later, she was in the ICU and woke up, and they estivated her. And the first thing she wanted to tell the nurses was to call me. And so Karen and I went to the ICU in Nashville to visit with this lady. And the first thing out of her mouth was that she had been with Jesus and her family, and that she had wanted to tell me that where she had been was better than where she is now, and she wanted to get back there as soon as she could.

SID: Was she upset that she came back?

REGGIE: She was very upset and for seven years, she told me she was upset.

SID: Tell me about a patient you had that was not going to go to Heaven.

REGGIE: Yes. I had this, a few patients. But fortunately, most of my patients have actually gone to Heaven. But I have had one that I tried to, I struggled with, constantly trying to bring him back to the Lord, because he was a man that was, had given up on God and many years of bitterness, and that sort of thing. At his bedside when he took his last breath, it was very, very different than the ones that go to Heaven.

SID: What was different?

REGGIE: Instead of being smiling and happy, and you know, looking, he was very angry and taking, almost fighting his last breath. And there was a sense of darkness and coldness in the

room. So it changed radically very different from one of my experiences where the patients go to Heaven.

SID: What would you say to someone that is facing death right now, that is a Christian?

REGGIE: What I would say is that you have nothing to fear, that the veil is very, very thin. That we’re not running toward eternity, but eternity walks right alongside us, and it is waiting for us. Jesus is waiting right pass this very thin veil and that he is loving that we are coming to meet with him.

SID: And what would you say to someone facing death that has not believed that Jesus died for their sins, has not repented and has not made Jesus their Lord? What would you say to them?

REGGIE: I would say, give up on the old life. Accept that you are about to meet eternity and that if you don’t accept Jesus, the eternity that you’re going to be part of is not a heavenly one. It is a hellish one. So I would recommend very clearly that you look to Jesus as your savior.

SID: I don’t recommend… You see, he’s a doctor. I tell people. I’m telling you, you do not know, even though you might have gotten a death sentence. But maybe you haven’t even gotten a death sentence. You flat, flat-line, you flat don’t know when your end will come, do you? Of course, you don’t know. But I know this. I’m a Jew and when I was 30 years of age, Jesus came into my bedroom and he’s real. And I know my orthodox Jewish father, who was just like Dr. Anderson with his hand in a fist towards God, I know that on his death bed he had an encounter with Jesus and said this prayer that I want you to say with me out loud right now. Say, I believe Jesus died for my sins.

Audience: I believe Jesus died for my sins.

SID: And by His blood.

Audience: And by His blood.

SID: God remembers my sins no more.

Audience: God remembers my sins no more.

SID: And I’m clean.

Audience: And I’m clean.

SID: And now that I’m clean.

Audience: And now that I’m clean.

SID: I ask Jesus to be my Lord.

Audience: I ask Jesus to be my Lord.

SID: Live inside of me.

Audience: Live inside of me.

SID: I’m going to Heaven!

Sid: I have a good friend that has been a friend of mine for many years Pastor Steve Gray from World Revival Church in Kansas City on the line. Steve and I go back to the days in Smithton, Missouri where in this tiny little town. I remember doing that video Steve and I would say “Here I am in the down town metropolis; there’s no cars going; there’s no dogs barking; there isn’t even gas in the gas station. But somehow and then these long lines of people coming to this tiny little town; what was the population Steve?

Steve: Yes 532 people it said on the sign.

Sid: (Laughing)

Steve:   Lined up to get into the church from all over the world; amazing.

Sid: But you know when you told me that God told you to move to Kansas City and start a new church I had to believe that you heard from God because that was such a prosperous thing to walk away from something so good.

Steve: Yeah.

Sid: So to speak and as history has it your’s is one of the few revivals that has been maintained and has been actually increasing. How many years has it been now?

Steve: Yeah, we’re at the 8 year; we’re just past the 8 year mark and it is wonderful. It is increasing; it is very intense, powerful, miracles and healings. Every service people getting up saying they’re healed. A lot of cancers disappearing and of course we have the House of Hope and Healing that’s opened 24 hours a day 7 days a week. So it gets a steady traffic of healings and miracles. And all of that put together it is burning red hot here. We had Claudio Freeze Zone was here last week and of course they’re known for revival down there that’s continuous and he was just amazed. He said that it just the comparison of all the churches that he’s been to in America he’s just can’ believe that it’s going on. Immediately he said, “I want you to come down to speak at my church in Argentina.” So it’s amazing how it’s continued to go on and has a lot to do with the hearts of the people and our desire to stay in that heat; that hot burning place with God and that burning bush.

Sid: So how come most haven’t stayed there; how come most haven’t stayed there? How come most that had a genuine move of God’s Spirit it literally walked out of their church?

Steve: It’s hard for me to understand it sometimes but the reports I’m getting are not real good; how much…how they swinging back to the traditional church or swinging back. And I’m thinking “What are they thinking; how can they handle that. But I think that as you and I’ve talked before I think that maybe the basic motives were wrong in the first place. We’re trying to use revival or use the movement of God or use the River or use refreshing to accomplish the goals that we think God wants to do which is to become as large as we can become. And of course you and I we both believe in evangelism so this is not anti-evangelism but you can skirt evangelism and just try to get a shifting of congregations. Get the people to come over to your church instead and that’s not really evangelism. And so…

Sid: No, that’s called sheep stealing.

Steve: Yeah, and…

Sid: And robbers don’t go to heaven; but any way that’s another story; go ahead. (Laughing)

Steve:   Well, you get the idea well if we have the latest move of God and the hottest moving thing they’ll all shift and my church will get bigger and I’ll get more money and I’ll get more famous and I’ll do all of these things. And and probably a story like mine when you get somebody who was in the middle of no where and all of a sudden they do get such prominence and newspapers and television it even feeds that more and says “Well, I’ll get this then and then I’ll become that.” But you can’t have the I’ve got to do that, but that wasn’t my motive. You know my motive; I just want to live and I wanted to live in the presence of God that’s it. And God came down so powerfully that it got attention, but it can’t be your motive. And something then when some churches didn’t grow like they thought or the money didn’t come in or they didn’t get on TV and in fact when God moves you know some people are going to leave because they don’t want a move of God.

Sid: Listen Steve; the hottest churches in America are what are called seeker sensitive.

Steve: Yeah.

Sid: I would have to believe that your church is the opposite of seeker sensitive.

Steve: Yes, mine I know it sounds odd but you know what mine’s a God sensitive church. And I want to be sensitive to God I want a church that God attends.

Sid: But does the ends justify the means? In other words if I was a pastor and I know that people only want a one hour service including message; including offering and come in a laid back causal manner and be entertained. And I could get the largest church in town; that’s very tempting; not to me but that must be very tempting to others because they’re doing it all over the United States. But the bottom line is they do preach the gospel and people do give their heart to the Lord. They don’t act much different than the world; but the truth is there are a number of converts.

Steve: Well yeah, but also the truth is they’re building it on sand because it works as long as there’s no storms or wind or anything blowing the house down.

Sid: Do you think there’s going to be some storms or winds in the United States of America?

Steve: Well, I think there’s certainly some signs that it could happen. And you know we’re teetering on the edge of terrorism anytime. You hear it every day this could happen happen; that could happen; and you know you don’t…you hope not but on the other hand even the personal storms that people have. I noticed this that people that go to those churches that cater to everything they want but when things don’t go the way they want then where do they go; they can’t go back to what they want again. So it’s a little bit on building on sand and I think the people will find that to be true. The other thing I think is that we’re finding in the population of America signs of a great awakening. And I think that the last thing that the people in America who are getting hungry for God; the real thing they want reality Christianity. And they don’t want to be catered to they said they spent their whole life catering to their needs; their wants; their desires and the result has been divorce, and dysfunction and depression. And so you just come and wrap it in a few hymns and sermon; it’s still catering to us and it still produces the fruit – same fruit. So it’s a little deceptive in that it looks shiny; it’s almost like a white-washed tomb.

Sid: But you know there’s another thing that I want to mention and that is there is an attack on the supernatural of God. When I first became a believer coming from a Jewish background a little over 30 years ago Charismatic Church everyone spoke in tongues and moved in gifts of the Spirit; a Pentecostal Church of course. Today I believe the average Charismatic or Pentecostal Church a low percentage even speak in tongues.

Steve: Yeah, and as you know and I’ve been in the services where they actually instruct the congregation not to speak in tongues. Or the…how about this for hypocrisy you can speak in tongues on the Sunday Night Service or the River Service or the revival but not on Sunday morning. Don’t speak in tongues and don’t raise your hands on Sunday Morning but you can do it Sunday night or if they had a Sunday night or if they have sometimes they’ll schedule a Contemporary Service and they’ll have the traditional service and they’ll tell them which service that they could do it and which service that they can’t (Giggling). I mean it just I don’t know if it gets any more hypocritical than that.

Sid: And there’s another thing that I want to mention; there are more good Christian…and I don’t remember this ever in my 30 years of walking with the Lord there are so many good Christians that don’t even go to church any more. And they still love the Lord; they still read the Bible and they still pray, but they don’t go to church because they don’t see it touching their spirit.

Steve: Yeah, that is a bad problem and then they know the church they’re going to is not touching their spirit just like you said and then the problem is they’ve spent so many years in a church that didn’t touch their spirit that I think they got planted in them is suspicion to be suspicious of any place that does touch their spirit.

Sid: Ym.

Steve: So they’re really locked into a situation where they’re going to have to make some…well, they really just need to open their Bible and read what God does and who He is and find that. But so I find that they don’t go to church because there so discouraged that the church that they went to; but they’re afraid to go to church that God’s really doing stuff because that level of doubt has been planted in them too.

Sid: Let me give you a spin; I believe that God is about ready to pour out His Spirit on young people; why young people? Because the older people aren’t willing to change. And when He pours out His Spirit on young people I believe large number of unsaved Jewish people are about ready to get saved. And you get a Jew and a Gentile that become that One New Man that Paul talks about there’s going to be a spark that is going to literally light an atomic bomb and we’re going to see the glory of God once again in the glorious church.

Steve: I pumped that One New Man into our congregation; and you know our congregation is I mean we have 40% of our congregation are singles and young. And I mean it’s powerful and new ones are coming off the street all the time. We have a lot of outreach here and stuff and boy get them filled and it’s amazing what you can do with a person if they get saved; get filled with the Spirit and every week they got to sit down next to firebrand rather than a lukewarm; half-hearted person looking at their watch.

Sid: Let’s face it you become like the people you associate with.

Steve: Absolutely, hypocrisy is a yeast and so it gets on you if you sit by it too long; and so people have sat by it for so long and have been told that it’s okay that they don’t realize that it’s getting on them; I think that that’s maybe where that deception comes. But what would happen if all of your listeners that are discouraged or haven’t found a church home take back 5, 10, 15 or 20 years ago when they got saved; what if every service they sat next to somebody on fire who could careless about the world; didn’t care how long the service went; loved God with all of their hearts, soul; mind and strength; wanted the presence of God annd every church that they went to that’s what they found. Who would that person be today? And most people would agree that they’d be a totally different person. It’s being around all of this other junk that’s worn us down. So like you know I think that’s why the young people are the hope and some of us older middle-aged people we can get on the bandwagon there’s nothing stopping us.

Sid: Listen, Joshua and Caleb made it and I’m going to make it.

Steve: That’s right.

Sid: (Laughing)

Steve: There are acceptions Kathy’s parents, my wife’s parents Kathy they’re in their 70’s but I forget; 78 or no; he’s going to be 80 years old and this guy has got revival in his soul.   And he’s as fiery as ever; so it can happen but it’s rare so we have to go to our new resources.   And you know I told I told one Jewish Rabbi was so disappointed; he’s a believer in Yeshua and he looked right at me and he knew what I wanted, knew that I was believing and he said “Steve I got to tell you we don’t want that one new man.” Some Jews, not every Jew…

Sid: Let’s stop right here because we’re out of time and hey you better come back tomorrow!

Sid: We want everyone everywhere to be red hot for the Messiah. As a matter of fact if you’re not red hot for the Messiah your actually in reverse; neutral is reverse you’re going the wrong way. There’s only one gear in the Kingdom of Heaven from glory to glory. I have to tell you I love all of the guests that I have all the information that they present to you. But there is something special about my next guest wherever you are in your walk and you adventure and your search for God, wherever you are, it’s going to dramatically change some of your paradigms when you die. In fact I want to ask you a question “Do you have a fear of death even if you’re born again you know that you’re going to heaven; do you have a degree of a fear of death?” Let’s face it it’s an unknown, most people are fearful as to the process and things like that. But I’m going to tell you something after you finish hearing my guest Dr. Reggie Anderson he’s a medical doctor, award winning medical doctor. He’s going to totally demystify death to the point where I’m going to get a little ahead of myself. Dr. Anderson are you afraid of dying?

Dr. Anderson: Not at all Sid I am actually looking forward to it.

Sid: Now how much are you looking forward to it; I mean those are words but what does that really mean?

Dr. Anderson:   Well I know for a fact that after being with 100’s of people that have crossed through the veil that that last moment, that last breath here on earth is our first breath in glory. It’s our first breath in our forever home and I really with my experiences I cannot wait for my own first breath in heaven.

Sid: And to me that should be normal but it isn’t by the time they finish listening to us it’s going to normal for them. Well let’s just kind of go back in the history of how you got to where you got to. And you went to a family where you were in church every time the doors were open. And as a matter of fact as a young boy you were watching a show called Popeye, we have it today. And there was a contest and you had a dream and what were you told in that dream?

Dr. Anderson: Well like you said I was raised in a very strongly Christian home and knew that God is as real as clay under my feet at that time in south Alabama. And there was a show called the Popeye’s shows hosted by Cousin Cliff. He was kind of dressed in a sailor outfit and they announced one day that they were going to give away a pony to a lucky little boy or girl and all you had to do was send in a post card. And I was only about 5 years old at the time, and of course for a 5 year old boy a pony would be like the best thing that could ever happen in your life. And so my mom who is a school teacher decided to use this time to teach us a lesson on how to send out postcards and stamp things and the mail system. So we each were filling out a postcard and she was going to take us to the Post Office the next morning; my brother and my sister and I. The night that before we were to take the cards in I fell asleep with anticipation that I might win the pony but then I started dreaming. And I dreamed that God came to me and said to me “Reggie, you’re going to win this pony.” But when you win it you’re going to half to share it with anybody that wants to ride it. And I could vividly see myself riding this pony and the next morning we got to the post office and I told my mom that she didn’t have to take my brother and sister’s card in because God had told me that I was going to win the pony and I didn’t want them to be disappointed.

Sid: Now this you didn’t come from a charismatic type of home it was a good evangelical home. This doesn’t happen in evangelical circles where people have dreams and they know what’s going to happen in the future. Did your parents try to make sure you didn’t fall to big and be too disappointed so to speak and try and say “Well they’re a lot of people in this contest?”

Dr. Anderson: Right, that was exactly what mom said. She said “Don’t be disappointed you know if you don’t win you have to know that God is still real.” And I said “Okay, but He told me and I’m just going to trust.”

Sid: It sounds to me you know Dr. Anderson, it sounds to me you had what the Bible refers to as “Childlike faith.”

Dr. Anderson:   I agree I did at that time.

Sid: Okay, your family’s watching the TV show and they announce you’re the winner; “How did they react; how did you react?”

Dr. Anderson: Well they all looked at me you know like “Well I know you said that but they were still surprised and I was sort of like “Well I told you God told me that I was going to win so why are you all surprised?” So I mean it was one of those moments where I just knew that God had spoken into my life at the time. But you know we kept that pony all the way until I graduated from high school and then gave it to another family when I went off to college.

Sid: Now everything is picture perfect until… you spent summers working in a farmers market and sometimes it would be 24 hours a day 7 days a week with a family that were distantly related but you felt like they were almost uncle, a father a close relative because you were with them so much. They were called the Aldie’s and during the summer you were about 15 years of age it was a tragedy, it was the worst mass murder actually in Georgia history your friends their entire family they were brutally murdered. Explain the impact.

Dr. Anderson: Yeah, Jimmy and Jerry were like brothers and uncles to me at the time and their family was family to me. I mean we were all from very small community in South Georgia and you know we were all you know took care of each other. If somebody needed help building a barn then the whole community would come together to have a barn raising. That’s how this community treated each other because we were all you know one big family. We knew that God oversaw everything that we did and that He was our Father and that we were all siblings under the roof of His guidance. And so when the murders happened it was as if my entire world had crumbled and it had fallen down on me. I was devastated I could not really understand how a good God could allow such a horrible thing, all six of them murdered, even Jerry’s wife had been brutally murdered and raped. You know at that time I was 15 years old and I felt like God had abandoned us and had left us. Actually to the point where I didn’t believe that God existed; this was going to happen in this world.

Sid: So would you say you literally became an atheist at that time?

Dr. Anderson: I did, I ran as far and as fast as my feet could carry me and you know I just abandoned the whole concept of God and religion because it had failed.

Sid: Okay, so your life goes along you get to college; you want to be a pilot but you have a problem with your eyes you take the dental exam and that was plan B and it didn’t work out to well. And then you decide to take the exam to be a medical doctor and a miracle happens, you become… you’re accepted and you’re studying to be a medical doctor and the first crack in atheism occurred when you have your opportunity in anatomy to look at a dead body, a cadaver. And it was a beautiful woman but something began to work at you, what was that?

Dr. Anderson: Well I looked down and you know we were taught in biology that we were kind of the whole idea of evolution. You know that through random acts of chemistry we became this being in front of me. But I realized that there was not an explanation because that broke way too many rules of physics. Because in physics they taught us that order became disorderly unless there was a creative force into the system. So I was therein engrossed in anatomy lab, it was like an epiphany, I saw the human body then I looked at the eye itself you know I could not explain that just happened by accident. It was not a set of randomness there was order to it; so order out of chaos could only happen by a creative God and that was my first crack in my….

Sid: But then it gets even better than that; wait until you hear about his visit to heaven.

Sid: For the past 30 years I have been diligently trying to understand everything I could possibly understand in reference to healing and faith to miracles because the Bible is very clear, if you want to reach a Jewish person with the gospel it says “The Jew requires a sign.” Now when I was a brand new believer just starting out there was a couple by the name of Francis and Charles Hunter. They would have meetings in the… at that time I lived in the Washington DC area and they would have meetings. And outside of the Hunters and Kathryn Kuhlman I didn’t know anyone that would pray for people. And the power of God would cause them to fall over. But the difference between the Hunters and the Kuhlman ministry is the Hunters would share this gift. Meaning that they would have… I have on the telephone Francis Hunter from her office in Houston and Francis you may not remember this but my wife and myself…you’d say “Anyone that want to move in this gift come on up on the platform with us” and so my wife and I would come up on the platform and we would… well I don’t think Joyce did at that time come to think of it. I went up on the platform and you’d said “Okay pray for people.” And I pray for people and they would be slain in the Spirit. You don’t like to hoard the gifts yourself do you?

Francis: No.

Sid: And as a matter of fact that’s what God’s created an evangelist for.

Francis: Amen.

Sid: To equip not to just be a superstar. You know I have just been reading your book “How to Heal the Sick.” And although it’s not a brand new book it reads like a brand new book; did you know that?

Francis: That’s what everybody says it just reads like a brand new book. As a matter of fact I was sitting at my desk this morning and I got 3 or 4 letters from people who said “I just found your book “How to Heal the Sick” and it has changed my life forever because I never knew that I could heal the sick.

Sid: Listen, the Producer of my radio show her job is reading books; she reads them all the time. And she said “Sid, you’re not going to believe this but I have just read this book by Francis Hunger called “Heal the Sick” it was written a number of years ago but it has done such wonders for my faith. Now for her to say this it means something because she’s reading the latest books all the time!”

Francis: Hallelujah!

Sid: But any way there’s something in this book that got me so excited. Actually I had read the book previously but there is several prophecies at the beginning of the book and one by a man by the name of Tommy Hicks. And I’m not going to take the valuable time to read all of it they can get the book because it’s a very long prophecy but this is something that God used to confirm the ministry He called you and Charles to. And I want to read a portion of it because whereas when you read this Francis I believe you thought that this was going to happen immediately. It is my contention but as I’m reading this this is what I see in the Spirit; I know that I know, that I know, that I know that what I’m about ready to read to you is about ready to happen on planet earth. I’ll just read a little bit of it; are you as excited as I am?

Francis: I would rather be alive today than any other time in the history of the world.

Sid: How young are you?”

Francis: Eighty-eight. (Laughing) I just had my 88^th Birthday last Friday.

Sid: Oh, well I wish I had known we would have had the interview Friday and I could have sung Happy Birthday. This is better than Happy Birthday.   I’m going to read from page 11 of Francis Hunter’s book “How.” And that’s the key operative word, “How To Heal the Sick.”

Francis: Good.

Sid: And this prophecy came in 1961 through Tommy Hicks.

Francis: Yeah.

Sid: And I’m just reading a portion of it. “At that moment there came a thunder that seemed to roar from the heavens.” And I’ve got to interrupt myself right now I have to tell you that this Tommy Hicks turned a whole nation upside down with the power of God. So he he’s a man you want to listen to when God says something.

Francis: Yes.

Sid: Alright, here it comes.

Tommy Hicks ’61 prophecy: At that very moment there came a great thunder that seemed to roar from the heavens. I turned my eyes toward the heavens and suddenly I saw a figure in white en-glistening white. The most glorious thing that I’ve ever seen in my entire life! I did not see the face but somehow I knew that it was the Lord Jesus Christ and He stretched forth His hand and as He did He would stretch it for one and to another and then to another. And as He stretched forth his hand upon the nations and upon the people of the world men and women as He pointed towards them this liquid light seemed to flow from His hands into them. And a mighty anointing of God came upon them and those people began to go forth in the Name of the Lord. I do not now know how long I watched it. (See this was a vision that he was having) He says I do not know how long I watched it it seemed it went into days and weeks and months I beheld this Christ as He continued to stretch forth His hand. But there was a tragedy; there were many people that as He stretched forth His hand that refused the anointing of God and the call of God. I saw men and woman that I knew; people that I felt would certainly receive the call of God. But as He stretch forth His hand towards this one and that one they simply bowed their head and began to back away. And each of those that seemed to bow down and back away seemed to go into darkness, blackness seemed to swallow them everywhere. I was bewildered as I watched it but these people that He had anointed 100’s of 1000’s of people all over the world in Africa, England, Russia, China, America all over the world the anointing of God was upon these people. As they went forward in the Name of the Lord I saw these men and women as they went forth. They were ditch diggers, they were washer woman, they were rich men; they were poor men. I saw people that were bound with paralysis and sickness; blindness and deafness as the Lord stretched forth to give them this anointing they became well; they became healed they went forth. And this is the miracle of it; this is the glorious miracle of it these people would stretch forth their hands exactly as the Lord did and it seemed that as if there was the same liquid fire in their hands as they stretched forth their hands they said “According to my word be thou made whole.”

Francis: Hallelujah!

Tommy Hicks ’61 Prophecy Continues: As these people continued in this mighty end-time ministry I did not fully realize what it was and I looked to the Lord and said “What is the meaning of this?” And He said “This is that which I will do in the last days.”

Sid: Well, I’m going to stop right now you’ll have to read that whole prophecy yourself in the book. But I’ll tell you Francis and those Mishpochah (that’s a Hebrew word that means family) those Mishpochah that are listening to us right now this is ready to happen. Now who do you think is going to say yes Lord when He comes to put this miraculous faith healing anointing upon you to do great and mighty works; to do the same works He did and as He said “Even greater.” Because so many will be walking in this power; are you going to say “Yes” or are you going to say “No.” Well I believe that those that are hungering for more; those that are not satisfied with the mediocrity of traditional religion; those that say “There is more and I’m going for the gold.” Now I have Francis Hunter on the telephone and she is 88 years young and I tell you that she is going for the gold. Francis “What do you believe will happen from someone that reads your book “How To Heal the Sick?”

Francis: I believe that they will learn how to heal the sick because God is going to give the world a demonstration in this last hour as the world has ever known. Now I’m reading the rest of this probably a little bit it says:

Tommy Hicks Prophecy continued It says these men and woman are from all walks of like, degree will mean nothing when one would stumble and fall another will pick it up. There was no “Big I” and “Little you,” but every mountain was brought low and every valley was exalted. And they seemed to have one thing in common; there was a Divine love; a Divine love that seemed to flow forth from these people as they worked together and as they lived together.

Sid: And you know the thing that we got to tell more about this prophecy.

Tommy Hicks Prophecy cont’d: He said “I didn’t see denominations; what I saw was the Body of Messiah; people loving one another; not having differences, people preferring one another.”

Sid: I have to believe Francis that what we saw was a snapshot of the first church; not the 21 century American Church.

Francis: Amen.

Sid: There has got to be a change and it’s coming and I have to tell you Mishpochah when you read this book it’s going to put a fire in you. A fire to believe that it’s not the superstar that is going to cause the people in your neighborhood to be healed and then believe in the Messiah. It’s going to be the Superstar in you.

Francis: Yeah.

Sid: And you used a key word Francis; you said that “God wants a demonstration of His power.” The key word is demonstration of His power before He returns. And that prophecy goes on to say some pretty bad things that will happen for those that don’t know the Messiah.

Francis: Yes.

Sid: But Francis I’m looking at some of the miracles that you’ve witnessed with your own eyes. For instance even I the book you talk about someone’s thumb literally grew out 75 people saw this.

Francis: Grew back on in front of everybody.

Sid: What do you mean “Grew back on;” explain that.

Francis: Well, there was no thumb; I mean the thumb had been cut off and we prayed for the thumb and as we stood there and looked at it the thumb grew right back on the finger. Right back on, he came up with a thumb that where the entire last knuckle where the fingernail would be that was totally cut off; there is just a little stub there. And then the finger totally grew out perfectly. And then after the finger grew out then the fingernail grew on it. That almost blew us away. (Laughing)

Sid: I’ll tell you your experiences and stories with angels and with healing. But the one thing about your books is you’re not the star.

Francis: No, you see we believe Charles and Frances can do it you can do it too.” And that means to everybody in your listening audience. If we can do it they can do it too.

Sid: Accept one thing you can’t do is give me more time right now. We’re out of time Mishpochah we’ll pick up right here on tomorrow’s broadcast.

Sid: My guest by way of telephone is my good friend Dr. Bob Fischer. I’m speaking to him at his apartment in Tiberias, Israel. Bob tell me what you can see with your eyes as we’re doing this interview.

Bob: Oh Sid it’s glorious, the sun is setting into the Golan Heights or lit up with a beautiful display of pastel colors. The Sea of Galilee which is practically in our front yard is a deep navy blue and it’s magnificent; you know we can just feel the presence of the Holy Spirit all around us and it’s glorious.

Sid: Now you made aliyah that is you immigrated to Israel how long ago?

Bob: We came in August of 1992 Sid that’s gosh almost 12 years ago.

Sid: Tell me what it’s like living in this land that you know God has called you to; that you know that one day the Messiah will rule the world from; that you know that it’s the center of the world as far as prophetic activity and yet you’re in the middle of violence and suicide bombers and terrorism. What is it really like?

Bob: I can describe it in one word Sid, shalom, peace. The Lord is in His wonderful way given all of us in His Body the sense of an overwhelming peace. We’re held in the palm of His hand and we can feel His love and protection and it’s wonderful.

Sid: Tell me a little bit about your upbringing because I believe it’s almost a microcosm of Christian’s worldwide.

Bob: Well Sid I’m a 100% ethnic Jew that was raised in a Gentile world and Jewishness in our family was denied for 2 generations of both sides. It was an anti-Semitism situation and I was born again when I was a young Air Force Officer in a non-denominational Air Force Chapel. And I raised my 3 children; I found my wife I should say I found my wife first and then we raised our 3 children in this wonderful non-denominational atmosphere. And my Jewishness just wasn’t an important thing until much later in my life when the Lord did an incredible work and here we are. (Laughing)

Sid: What would you say was the major ingredient to really want to find out about your Jewish roots, to actually ultimately live in the land of Israel?

Bob: Well we were called into the Messianic Movement and that was the stimulus for the whole thing. In fact Donna who’s a Gentile practically broke my arm you know to get me to finally get involved in my Jewishness because I denied it all my life. And once I got involved in the Messianic Movement I felt this compulsion you know this growing love and this desire then in the midst of a second career with the Boeing Company. We just heard it from the Lord the two of just independently and then together go home and we just simply did. And we did we walked out of the door one day and we came to Israel. I can just say it was supernatural; it was a supernatural thing.

Sid: Now what went on with Bob and his family to a degree is going on with Gentile Christians throughout the world. I’m coming out with a new book shortly and I asked my friend Gordon Robertson, Pat Robertson’s son he’s a host of 700 Club to write an endorsement. And I want to read this endorsement to you. “I’m finding that the longer I am a Christian the more Jewish I become; this year my family celebrated Passover with a traditional Seder Service. During the third cup, the cup of redemption and the reading of Exodus 6:6 which says “I will redeem you with an outstretched arm” I was overcome with a vision of Jesus on the cross redeeming all of mankind with outstretched arms. I believe that in these last days Christians around the world are awakening to their Jewish roots and finding that they have come into the kingdom for such a time as this.” You know Bob that what went on with Gordon Robertson it’s going on with Christian’s all over the world just like it happened with you. Although you were physically Jewish you denied your Jewish heritage and your Jewish roots. You’ve written a number of books on Jewish roots, how many have you written?

Bob: Four Sid.

Sid: And you’ve made it a life study; in fact I believe this maybe one of the first courses of such a nature that is actually a college accredited course at Faith Seminary in Tacoma, Washington that you have then put into a DVD to make available for the average person. How did this course come into being?

Bob: Well Sid I taught it in residence for the first time in September at Faith Seminary and the staff asked me to put it in the form of a video. And it occurred to me that a DVD would be a better means and under their guidance and being called by the Holy Spirit I just simply sat down and basically summarized what I have on my four books and some new material. And I feel very excited about it because it really does talk about the pervasive Jewish roots of the faith.

Sid: Well you know something you sent a lot of time teaching on a group of people that very few Christian’s ever heard of. We’ve all heard of Pharisees; we’ve all heard of Sadducees because we read about them in the New Covenant. However you spent a lot of time, and we found out a great deal of information about these people in the Dead Sea Scrolls of a group called the Essenes. And then you’ve proven that they’re referred to in the New Covenant but they’re referred to under different names. And this is fascinating information; but why would it be important for a Gentile Christian at this point in history to know their Jewish roots. I know that God’s doing it because it’s a supernatural thing happening throughout the world; but why is God doing this?

Bob: I believe that He’s trying to show all of us Jew and Gentile alike who have embraced a faith in Yeshua they were all saved by His blood that our salvation is identical. That there certainly is a difference between Jews and Gentiles ethnically but that we’re all part of the wonderful saved body of Yeshua. We’re all fed by Jewish roots. The problem is that the church has been misguided from time to time through history and has been teaching basically that the church has replaced Israel. There’s a…

Sid: Well even if they don’t teach it that’s the implications that most Christians get.

Bob: It’s true and it’s…

Sid: I mean there’s nothing Jewish when you look at the average Gentile Christian service and yet the whole thing started Jewish. There’s something that I have pondered and that is when so many thousands of Jews became believer’s in Jesus instantly; they didn’t even have the New Testament written out. They certainly didn’t have what we call churches today. They did have the temple still; they did have the traditional non-Messianic Jewish service. And according to the New Covenant they met in homes but how was it such a vibrant movement, how? They didn’t have Bible schools? They didn’t have teaching; they didn’t even have the New Covenant recorded in a book like we do today, they didn’t have DVD’s. How was it such a dynamic move?

Bob: What they had Sid were the Dead Sea Scrolls and this is though the importance of the Essenes.   They had a very detailed understanding of what later became the primary doctrine in theology of the Christian faith and they wrote it down in the Dead Sear Scroll’s. And they were anticipating the Messiah eminently to show up and they knew that He would be from the line of David; that He would come to atone for the sins of men. That He would appear eminently and then at the end of days…

Sid: Now we know that by reading the prophecies in light of having read the New Covenant and knowing history, but you telling me that’s the type of Messiah they were looking for before the Messiah ever came?

Bob: Absolutely, hundreds of years before the Messiah came they wrote down this understanding in the Dead Sea Scrolls in great detail. And so when He showed up to answer your question when Yeshua showed up and walked among them they came to Him in droves. You know we read in the Book of Acts 3000 came in one day. Why? They didn’t need to be evangelized they were waiting for Him.

Sid: But wait a second when you talk to the average Jewish person today they don’t know a whole lot about Judaism the only thing they know is that I can’t be Jewish if I believe in Jesus. You’re saying that it wasn’t that way with the masses the with the first coming of the Messiah.

Bob:   Now it wasn’t and what happened you know; you have to go all the way back to the first century and realize that there were 3 Jewish Sects. The Sadducees, the Pharisees, and the Essenes. The Sadducees just kind of disappeared when the temple was destroyed.

Sid: I just think of them as just being sad.

Bob: They were very, very sad; did believe in an afterlife; they didn’t believe in very much of anything.

Sid: Did they believe in the scriptures?

Bob: They certainly believed in the Torah, but that’s where it ended. They didn’t have much vision much beyond that. And they were sad like you point out. But the Pharisees were pretty heavily concentrating on the whole Tanach, the whole Old Testament. But they also had an Oral Law which basically separated them from the Essenes. The Pharisees were looking for a Messiah but a Messiah that would come at the end of days and would solve all of the world’s problems. The Essenes were looking for a Messiah and as I pointed out it was in every measure Yeshua.

Sid: I’ll tell you what we’re out of time today we’ll pick up right here on tomorrow’s broadcast.

Sid: I have Judy Jacobs on the phone you know about her music; you know the presence of God; you know the joy that comes from her music. But you don’t know about the anointing that this woman packs. She has a brand new book called “You Are Anointed for This” in which she show you how to bring out your special finger print of anointing that no one on earth has for the end time. It’s a how to book; she prays supernatural prayer for you. Judy, what is the anointing?

Judy: The anointing is something that the Father gives that is distinctly ours and ours alone. Yet it is the same Holy Spirit Sid that the Holy Spirit endows all of God’s children with this absolutely phenomenal gift. It is the power of God to accomplish His purposes and the anointing; well what is the anointing? It’s joy, it’s passion, it’s power, it’s His glory, it’s His confidence, it’s boldness, it’s anointing. It makes you cry, it makes you laugh. There’s a righteous indignation that rises up; it gives you power to preach, power to sing, power to witness, power to testify, it gives you power to do spiritual warfare. The anointing is peace it comes suddenly and sometimes it takes time for the… and the it is meek, it is strong, it will get you through the rebellion of a child; it will get you through a divorce; it will get you through the challenge of a special needs child, or the pain of a suffering parent or love one. But it is something that God gives to those who are called according to His purpose. As a matter of fact it’s for everyone it’s not just for a special minister, for an evangelist; the anointing is for all of God’s children. That same power the Bible says that raised Jesus from the dead shall also quicken our mortal bodies. It is the power of God to do the impossible. It is the power of God to do the unbelievable the unthinkable, the undeniable. It is the power of God; it is the anointing of God that gets you from glory to glory to glory. It is the power of God that gets you off of your sick bed; the anointing can give you a joy in the middle of sadness. The anointing can give you peace in the middle of a storm; the anointing will give you boldness to witness and to testify…

Sid: Judy if you keep that up I’m going start almost levitating not in the New Age way but in the God way. The presence of God is getting so strong in this studio I believe people are going to get healed; I believe people are going to receive a fresh visitation from God; I believe that people that are defeated are going to start holding their head up high and walking as the child of God that He created them to be. Would you pray for them right now?

Judy: Father God in the Name of Your holy Son Jesus I thank You Lord that Your Spirit comes without measure. And I’m asking You that Your anointing as I’m speaking through this phone and as I’m speaking through these radio waves. And Father as these waves go out through the towers I’m asking You that the waves will now enter and the anointing will enter these waves and that the glory of God will begin to enter the waves. And as they go through the cars, and as they go God into the kitchen, and as it goes into the office, and as it goes into the hospital room and as it goes Lord into wherever this broadcast is heard from sea to shining sea. I’m asking that the anointing of God would begin to move upon people’s lives. I’m asking You for sickness and disease to come off of them; I’m asking You Lord that infirmities that have held people down, Lord diseases and sickness, and depression and fear that has kept people captive for years and for decades and even for generations would fall off of them now. That it would not happen to days from now; two years from now; two weeks from now. But as the Holy Spirit of God begins to move like water across these waves, waves of glory, waves of Your Spirit, waves of healing, waves of supernatural anointings would begin to happen. And Lord that people would begin to feel something coming up in their spirit; they would begin to feel a release in their bodies, they would begin to move their limbs; begin to move their arms, their legs. Lord they begin to move their backs and people that are diagnosed and said that “You would die,” I decree and declare you will not die, but you will live to declare the wonderful works of God! I say the anointing comes and destroys every yoke and every bondage off of your life right now that the supernatural; the same power that raised Jesus from the dead it even now quickens your mortal… there’s a quickening that is happening, there’s a quickening there’s a quickening that’s happening that you’re feeling. Begin to get up, begin to move, get off the couch, get off the chair pull over on the side of the road; pull over in a parking lot right now because you’re experiencing the glory and the glory is about to take over your life and you’re not going to… your physical is not going to be able to handle the spiritual. So I speak that now in the Name of Jesus that those things are coming off of you and they will not return. This affliction shall now rise up the second time but I curse it in the Name of God and I say freedom to you I say to that person who is away from God you are coming back to the border; your mother’s been praying, your grandmother’s been praying your father, your grandfather somebody has been praying for you and now the Holy Spirit of conviction of God gets a hold of your life. And you throw down the knife, you throw down the gun, you throw down the drug, you throw down, you cancel the drug deal in the name of Jesus Jesus sets you free those chains are broken off of your life now and Jesus sets you free, Jesus sets you free. I see right now the thing that’s coming against… that there’s a brain tumor right now that’s being healed in the name of Jesus. I speak to the asthma and I speak to the lungs and I say, I say in the Name of God you don’t belong in that body, that body is the temple of Holy Spirit. Now breathe, now breathe the abroad the breath of God; the breath of God right now rises up in you and you’re breathing the very breath of heaven. The very breath of heaven is breathing out of your nostrils and you’re breathing in and you’re breathing out, and you’re breathing in and you’re breathing out. Move that leg, I speak to those muscles and those tendons and I say in the Name of God to be free, to be free to be free in the Name of Jesus Name. In the Name of the Lord you’re calling and your election now is sure; there’s no more fear; there’s no more doubt walk in your purpose. You walk in your calling and you walk with your head back, your shoulders up; your back straight and your legs strong and you will walk now and you will not grow weary; you run and you will walk in the faith and in the anointing of God into a new level, into a new realm sayeth the Lord. There is a new realm and a new destiny that I’m taking you into My child; do not be afraid of the doors that I will open for I will open doors that no man can shut and I will shut doors that no man can open for I have ordained this day sayeth the Lord; it is not by coincidence but it is My time and My season My child and I have picked you out for this glory to be released into your life.

Sid: Now I believe that people are going to be saturated with that glory as you start singing from Isaiah 61 you are prophesying there future.

Judy Jacobs excerpt of Isaiah 61.

Sid: Now you have the anointing that came through the music and through the preaching of Judy Jacobs but you need to understand. There is such a need for teachers today and Judy has taken the secrets about her personal anointing and is teaching you; why? So you’ll have the same… no you have a unique anointing that is prepared for the end times…

SID: Now I was talking to James Durham about his visit to Heaven. And something intrigued me, because I’ve had prophetic words myself that there was an ancient door that was getting ready to open in my life. When you went to Heaven, describe that ancient door. I want to understand this.

JAMES: Well Sid, when I was lifted, this was sometime later. I had been to Heaven a few times. But I was lifted up and I saw this ancient arched wooden door, and it was an amazing door. It looked like it was very, very old, but the wood still looked very strong. What amazed me was that it had hinges on both sides and there was no doorknob. So by human means, there was no way that I could open that door, but I felt like I was supposed to go through the door. And my only opportunity was to ask the Holy Spirit help me somehow to understand how to get through this door. And suddenly, the door swung open.

SID: What was the first thing you saw when it swung open?

JAMES: Actually, I was looking into what appeared to be a room. But it was dark in the room, because where I was standing was a much brighter light, and I couldn’t see very clearly inside the room. But I was led by the Spirit to go inside the room. And as I walked through the door, I heard audibly three times, the Holy Spirit announced, “An oak of righteousness, an oak of righteousness, an oak of righteousness.”

SID: What does this mean?

JAMES: And I immediately thought of the words from Isaiah and that this was the secret place of the Most High God.

SID: Now when he was in the secret place of the Most High God, God commissioned him to do three things. What were these three things?

JAMES: Well the Lord told me that He wanted me to, number one, write a book, and I did not want to write a book.

SID: Why?

JAMES: I always said, I will never write a book. So I had to eat my words for many, many years.

SID: I’m sure.

JAMES: To write the book. Second thing He said was move. And I loved the house where we were living. It was exactly kind of like my dream house and a dream office. But I immediately began to get the house in order to move. The third thing He told me to do was to go back and invite people to come to the secret place and to give an impartation for heavenly visitation.

SID: Now would there be a lot of preparation involved before you invite people? When did you first do this with others?

JAMES: Well I was hoping there was going to be a lot instruction and a lot of time before I actually had to do this because I felt like people would think I was crazy to come back saying things like this. And so I asked the Lord, “How long do I have?” He said, “Until this Sunday,” which was like two days away.

SID: Well did you do it?

JAMES: I did it. I did it.

SID: And what happened?

JAMES: Well some people received that. Some people actually visited Heaven. But other people, I got some strong rejection from some of the people and I really understood that I was going to receive that rejection. It made it clear to me right away that when you obey God and you say things like this that are so far out of line with the way people normally think, you will experience some rejection.

SID: You know, then multitudes have been, when he teaches, have had experiences of going to Heaven. But why is it? I’m hearing, I think there’s a new believer. But I’m hearing so many people now, believers are having visits to Heaven. Why is that happening now?

JAMES: Well Sid, I believe the reason it’s happening now is that time is very short. In the First Letter of John, he says, “This is the last hour.” And I believe that God is getting the bride ready and He’s calling people to Heaven to give them instructions, the preparations, the correction, whatever discipline they may need to be ready. And I believe that we’re at the time of the great End Time harvest, and God is calling the harvesters to Heaven to train them and to empower them, and to gift them to go back into the harvest and win lost souls for the Kingdom. Some people were going to Heaven and some were not. So on one of the visits I asked the Lord, “Lord, why is that? I just don’t understand it.” And the Lord said, “The number one reason is grace.” That when we go Heaven and He tells us to do something, if we don’t do it, judgment will come, and He does not want to give judgment right now. He wants to give more grace and more mercy. And so he’s waiting until people are ready to obey, and that’s God’s grace.

SID: Now why did He choose you to talk about the ladder of going up to Heaven and coming back like the angels did? Why you?

JAMES: I think because there’s absolutely nothing special about me. I think at that time I had been away for 30 years in the military. I was basically unknown in the church, in the Body of Christ, and the Lord wanted someone who was unknown. So that when I would share with people I had been to Heaven, I figured they would look at me and say, well if he can do it, I can do it.

SID: I like to say that. Anything James can do, you can do better.

JAMES: Amen.

SID: We’ll be right back and maybe you’ll pray for us.

Sid: My guest by way of telephone I’m speaking to her at her home in Jerusalem, Israel is my friend Batya Segal. Batya had a job as a typesetter and guest what her first job was? The New Testament. She came from a very religious Yemenite background in Israel and she really had a tough time but she did typeset it; she read it and she fell in love with Yeshua. And then she had a visitation from an angel and then she went home to tell her husband the good news but it was bad news for him. He got so upset he said “I’m taking our daughter away from you” and so he proceeded with the religious courts to get rid of his wife Batya and to keep his daughter; but a great miracle happened and she was able to keep her daughter with her. I mean it’s an amazing miracle Batya even all of these years later as I think about it. Tell me what’s going on with your daughter today.

Batya: The amazing thing is even though I won the court case my husband then forced me to divorce him and I was able to raise up my daughter in faith and she grew up loving God. And she’s now assisting me in our humanitarian aid center and she’s wonder; she’s married and she’s wonderful and she has even a great relationship even with her father. I’ve been remarried and I have two other children and God has blessed me with a wonderful husband and family. And we’re praising the Lord together doing the work of the Lord in land blessing the poor and the needy. Bringing forth the good news of the Messiah from Jerusalem.

Sid: You’ve come a long way from that Yemenite background but I would like you to put Barry on the telephone. This is also a good friend of mine Barry Segal.

Barry: Shalom Sid from Jerusalem!

Sid: It sounds so good to hear that; the next best thing is for me to be there. (Laughing) Anyway Barry what I’d like to find out is you come also from a Jewish background maybe not quite as religious as Batya but tell me a bit about your background and how you became a Messianic Jew.

Barry: Well yes I always like to say that Batya was everything a good Jewish girl should be growing up, whereas I was everything maybe a good Jewish boy shouldn’t be growing up but not so bad. I was pretty much raised in a traditional Jewish home in suburban life in the United States; I’m actually from Motown the city of Detroit the city of a lot of music. And growing up kind of in that environment and growing up in the turbulent 60’s with the assassination of Kennedy and the Beatles coming out, then of course the Vietnam war and the anti-protest stream of things. I was pretty much growing up in this turbulent time of the 60’s and early 70’s. When I was bar mitzvah’d Sid according to our Jewish tradition where a boy becomes a man I decided the best thing I could do was go out into the world and prove I was a man was buy my first electric guitar and big amplifier. So by the age of 14 actually I was already playing in a Rock and Roll Rhythm and Blues band and my hair had grown down to my shoulders. I just really had a love and a passion for music and that was probably my primary goal in life.

Sid: And if someone had said “Barry one day you will be living in Jerusalem and you will be singing only for God” what would you have said to them?”

Barry: I think in those days it would have blown my mind; (Laughing).

Sid: Yeah, were you Zionistic at all, did you have any desire to go to Israel?

Barry: Well something happened the same month of my bar mitzvah in June 1967 I had this overwhelming realization as I was turning 13 the bar mitzvah, the 6 Day War that somehow I was born and breed to live in another country; whether it was Israel or somewhere I didn’t know. But there was something like a seed that was there that I knew that one day I would live outside of the borders of America. And Zionistic I think not so much because of my religious training but just something a deep inner conviction and an understanding historically of Israel’s fight for survival and that’s the home place for Jewish people. And so any how out of this situation and this kind of seeds being planted in my life I was about the age of 15 I went to hear a Rhythm and Blues band from San Francisco saw a tremendous guitar player with long black hair; a long flowing beard and a beautiful guitar over his shoulders and he looked like Jesus with an electric guitar.

Sid: Hm.

Barry: And to make a long story short basically this guy I walked up to him that night and he gave me a booklet of scripture and told me that Jesus is the only way and it was the most foreign thing Sid that I’ve ever heard in my life. I didn’t have the faintest idea what he was talking about; that Jesus was the only way and the answer in life. However, a seed was planted and about 2 years later after many other circumstances in my life and being very active in political protests and marches and things like that one night I was leaving a Jewish deli about 11 at night, I was in my right mind; I was walking home to go back to practice the guitar all of a sudden on the back side of the deli all traffic in the area completely stopped, no cars entered the area. There was an eeriness hovering around me and above me and as I was carrying this corn beef sandwich with Swiss cheese and Russian dressing, not very Kosher but tasty, it fell out onto the ground with this quart of milk I was carrying and when I saw the food spill on the ground then something hit me of a realization that I was just at the end of my understanding of what the purpose for my life was. And I fell to my knees with tears in my eyes, and as I fell to my knees tears continued to rush as if somebody else was crying out through me. And in the midst of those tears next to a tree an audible voice spoke to me and said “Barry you should have more faith than this.” All I could tell you and people have asked me for 33 years; they’ve asked me the same thing from that night in late June 1971 “How did you know that it was God and how did you know that Jesus, or who we call in Hebrew Yeshua, salvation, is the way and the truth and the life?” And the only answer I can give is “Once I was blind but now I see.”

Sid: Now tell me Barry about this CD that we’re making available “Go Through the Gates” very briefly. There’s something special about music from Israel, is there such a thing as an Israeli anointing?

Barry: I believe there’s such a thing as a Levitical anointing from heaven above upon Israeli’s.

Sid: Let’s listen to this selection from “Go Through the Gates.”

SID: Larry Randolph has got contacts in high places in our federal government, and they’ve learned that when he says things it happens. Give me one example before it happened.

LARRY: A number of years ago when we had the spill on the Gulf, the spill, the explosion, two months before it happened, the Lord showed me clearly that that was going to happen, and that there was going to be an explosion in the Gulf that was not terrorist related, but it was going to be environmentally related. It’s going to affect the ecosystems and all the coastlines, the whole Gulf of Mexico. I began to tell church intercessors. In addition to that, I already had contact with D.C. So I called them and told them, and of course, they were very curious about, you know, is this terrorist related? And I said, no, it’s environmentally related. And so they said, we will keep it in a file here. But anyway, so it did happen. I’m glad it was environmentally related because I like my telephone.

SID: What did God show you about cancer?

LARRY: He showed me that there would be a cure for cancer in my lifetime that would be as easy as taking a pill for a headache.

SID: That’s so wonderful.

LARRY: The doctors would have a breakthrough with it and everybody would, He said to me, everybody would get credit, the doctors, but the wisdom will come from Him. He said, “But I’m secure enough to deal with that.”

SID: Now tell me about, you actually were taken in the spirit around the globe and you saw what would be happening throughout the whole world. But tell me about a country that’s in the news a great deal, the former Soviet Union, Russia. Tell me about that.

LARRY: Yes. That was in the month of September, I saw a recording and video. I was preaching. I was taken around the world in my spirit to a lot of different places and shown some things. Some of the things have already come to pass like the [unintelligible]. I talk about that, and some other things. But I saw an angel, I saw coming from Heaven, I saw this giant sword and it was stuck in the heart of Russia. And it was in Russia, this sword was in Russia, I heard the words, “The thoughts and plans of man will come to nothing.” And so I had some time to distinguish between this as exactly what God says and this is my interpretation. I would believe that would mean, whatever intent Russia has in the sense of any harm or anything, that it will come to naught because God is in control. God loves the Russian, Ukrainian people, all peoples of Europe and all peoples of the Soviet Union, and I believe God is going to do a checkmate in that particular situation.

SID: Sounds good to me. Tell me about Israel.

LARRY: I saw this was, this is exciting to me. I saw Israel, and as I’m looking around the globe, I saw the land of Israel, and I saw it like I was three or four miles up in the atmosphere. And from the dust of the ground of Israel I saw this image coming out with dust, and I recognized it somehow in my spirit, it was King David and he was fully dressed with a robe on and with a sword, and he stood up for war. He was ready for war. And He said, and this is what I heard, “When David said to Goliath, ‘this day shall God deliver you into my hands,'” and the Scripture said, “And he ran toward Goliath,” and I saw this warring Davidic spirit to come out of Israel to take its enemies down. And I heard the Lord say, “The safety is Israel shall not be compromised.”

SID: I agree. Now briefly, very briefly, U.S.A.

LARRY: U.S.A. A number of things. But one that struck me the most was the fact that the U.S.A., especially those in higher government, from the very top to bottom, were not only in for a humbling, but a humbling beyond embarrassment. And the Lord has decided to answer the blood of our forefathers of this nation to end with prayers of intercessors as He did with Abraham. If he was righteous, He would have saved Sodom and Gomorrah. So many righteous in this country and God has heard the prayers, and God is about, the Scripture says, “If you don’t follow the rock it will fall on you.” The rock is about to fall on America in the sense, I don’t mean there’s some great judgment, but in a sense of humbling, which will be judgment for those that aren’t humble. It’s going to come from the very top of the government to the very bottom. We’re going to see a great humbling, and I believe that’s this year and next year in the government of the United States, because God is going to set right some things. Because the Lord said to me two years ago that the United States is going to, has received a period of grace. If Jezebel could get a space for repentance and revelation, why can’t we. God has extended grace to this nation. And the jury is out in some instances, because it depends on how we react as people of God and partner with God.

SID: The humbling is coming.

LARRY: The humbling, definitely, yes.

SID: Now would you pray right now for us to be, have permission to be who God called us to be, right now.

LARRY: I will do that. Father, we thank you. One of the difficult things we have to deal with is we’re all born an original, we’re all born unique, but the tragedy is most of us die copies. Help us not to fall into the sameness category, Lord. Help us not to copy. We’re not imitators of men. We’re imitators of Christ. Lord, help us to be what you called us to be. Help us to be us. Help us to show the creativity that you’ve given us and help us to disclose every piece of the DNA that you put in us. Lord, I give the men and women watching and the children watching this to be what God has called them to be. Don’t be afraid to be unique. Dare to be different. Dare to follow your dreams. And it’s just not about ministry. Maybe you’re called to be a doctor, a musician, an actor, an actress, a cook, a chef. I mean, whatever God has called you to in this great ecosystem, God needs you to be what He has called you to be. You need to be true. Shakespeare said, “To your own heart be true” and I believe Jesus is saying, “To your own heart be true.”

SID AND LARRY: Don’t be a copy. Be an original.