Sid Roth

SID: Hello. Sid Roth here. Welcome to my world where it’s naturally supernatural. My guest Perry Stone, since age 16, has been studying Heaven, End Times. He has spent well over 100,000 hours and he has come up with revelations that as far as scholars are concerned, no one has ever come up with before about Heaven and End Times. He even has come up with a revelation about the 2016 presidential election. Anyone interested? You know, when I found out that Perry Stone was working on the subject of Heaven and New Jerusalem, I got so excited. I can’t even tell you why I got so excited, but I got so excited I had to have him on this show. But I’m told an event occurred when you were 16 years of age that started you on this quest.

PERRY: Salem High School, it was a high school in southern Virginia, a boy came up to me at 16 years of age, I was 16, and I was preaching at that time just as a kid preacher. And I had a big Bible with me, and he said, “Preacher man, what are you going to do when you die and find out there’s not a Heaven?” I was always real quick to answer and I said, “Jimmy, what you gonna do when you die and find out there’s a hell?” And then, but what happened is it stirred and I thought, how would I prove to somebody, kind of more from a scientific perspective that there is a place called Heaven. And so that’s what really started my journey and it was just, it’s been exciting to, even over the years, even recently to add more to what God showed me.

SID: You got revelations. We’re going to share some of them. But here’s what I want you to help me with and I think you’re going to help a lot of other people. Take me, very briefly, on a prophetic timeline starting where we are right now.

PERRY: Okay. Right now we’re in the church age, which is called the dispensation of the grace of God. It will continue and climax at the time of the Rapture. Now I lean toward pre-trib because of a lot of research over the years that we have done. Now let’s just assume this is correct. Then what we have at that point is a tribulation period, which in Daniel 9:27 is set for seven years. It’s divided into 42 months and 42 months. And what would happen is the return of the Lord, and I like to say for the overcoming saints who are looking for him. When that happens, it triggers a time of tribulation on the earth, which is a total of seven years. During the seven years the saints will begin having, getting rewards and also we will enjoy what’s called a Marriage Supper of the Lamb during the seven years in Heaven. On Earth, there is judgment, there’s the revelation of the Antichrist, there’s the Mark of the Beast. There’s a lot of population of the earth that is eliminated by, some of it’s just natural calamities, asteroids, earthquakes, etc. We come to the end of the tribulation. We have the Lord returning, Revelation 19 says, “On a white horse is King of King and Lord of Lords.” And then he sets up his kingdom in Jerusalem for a thousand years. That’s where we get the word “millennial reign”. That’s a thousand. And during that thousand years the saints of God are going to rule on Earth with him for a thousand years. At the end of it, Satan is loosed for a season. Now the only reason he loosed, Sid, because this has perplexed people, why don’t God keep him bound? Because in the millennial reign there will be people on Earth who will continue to repopulate the earth that have never been tempted, tested or tried by Satan. So God is going to let earthly people who are living in the tribulation, who have survived being repopulated to be tested to see if they’re going to be faithful to the Lord or follow Satan. That’s the last test. Then when that is over, the Bible tells us there’s a Great White Throne of Judgment in Heaven and then Satan is bound forever in the lake of fire, which is going to be a tremendous day for everyone who is a believer, of course. The new Heaven and new Earth come down after the Great White Throne of Judgment. This judgment, every single angel that’s fallen, Satan himself, plus all saints, all unbelievers, all are in Heaven at one time. Now we’ve already been judged as believers as the judgment seat of Christ. Okay. That’s in Revelation, Chapter 11. But the world and the sinners have not been judged. God is never going to condemn anyone to an eternity without him, in let’s say the lake of fire, without them absolutely seeing and knowing the reason why. That’s why there’s a Great White Throne of Judgment.

SID: You know, Perry, you teach on the mysteries, unlocking the mysteries of Heaven, past, present and future. Explain.

PERRY: The Holy Spirit put something together for me that I had never heard taught in my life. I believe it can be proven, from Ezekiel 28, from the Book of Revelation, from Isaiah 14, that Lucifer, who we know is Satan, before he fell, was assisting God in the building of the New Jerusalem. The fall of Lucifer took place before the New Jerusalem was completed, and I’ll get into that later. Now that’s called the ages past. Creation as we know it with man is 6000. What a lot of people don’t realize is there’s what’s called ages past, and ages past was, okay, when was Lucifer created, when were the angels created. He was in Heaven as a cherub before he fell. When was that? When did the rebellion take place where he took a third of the angels and they fell with him? That’s the ages past part. In fact, I’m going to throw a nugget out here to all your folks. In the Bible it says Hell was prepared for the devil and his angels, but when was Hell prepared? Scientists say that the earth was at one time molten fire and water cool[ed it], and that’s how the process began. In Genesis 1:1, the earth is created perfect. You studied Hebrew. You know that, “In the beginning God created the Heaven and the Earth.” The tense there is complete perfection, like a perfect, it’s done.

SID: Right.

PERRY: Verse 2, “Everything is without form and void.” The fall of Lucifer happened between Genesis 1:1 and Genesis 1:2 in ages past.

SID: So in ages past there is a gap and we don’t even know how long that was.

PERRY: Thankyou. That’s exactly what I’m saying. We don’t know how long the gap is. And that explains, if I can, the controversy as to why Christians say there’s a 6000-year old earth, scientists say it’s a four billion-year old earth.

SID: There’s an answer to everything.

PERRY: There absolutely is an answer if we understand the fall of Lucifer and the gap in Genesis 1:1 and 1:2, and the timeframe there.

SID: Let’s go to some basics.

PERRY: Yes.

SID: Where is Heaven located?

PERRY: If you look at Isaiah, Chapter 14, Satan says, “I will descend into Heaven above the stars of God and above the clouds in the sides of the north.” The northern part of Heaven is very unique because there’s a star there called the North Star or Polaris, which sits just a little bit off of true north. Anytime you needed direction you had to find the North Star. Anytime a ship needed direction you find the North Star. It’s the directional star. What is interesting, Job said, “God stretches the north over the empty place, but he hangs the earth on nothing.” Two scientific facts there, this what I learned when I was 16. One is the earth is hanging on nothing, but what’s this thing about the north being an empty place? I have a friend of mine, I have several friends who work for NASA and they say it’s really true that in the northern part of the heavens there is an empty place and there’s a gap. It’s just an empty, a darkness, a gap. All right. The Bible indicates that. North is the only place where you look, really, true up. All right. So Heaven is in the north. Now number two, Isaiah said, it was Satan talking, but Isaiah wrote it, “I’ll send above the clouds, above the stars in the sides to the north.” That’s three heavens. Paul in Second Corinthians—

SID: I heard about Second Heaven. How many heavens are there?

PERRY: The Bible tells you of three. There are three heavens and the Bible indicates specifically what those three are: clouds, stars then the end of the stars, that begins the Third Heaven, and that’s where God dwells is in the Third Heaven.

SID: And where does the devil dwell and his demons?

PERRY: Let me say it this way. Adam was given dominion over the fowls of the air. The birds if you ever see them fly in the sky near the clouds, so Adam, man has dominion of the First Heaven. That’s why we have airplanes that aren’t falling out of the sky. The devil is not knocking airplanes out of the sky. We can fly. We have dominion. We have satellites. Number two, however, is Satan rules in the realm of the Second Heaven. Principalities, rulers of darkness in high places are in Second Heaven. Third Heaven is where God rules. So it’s interesting how that between where we are to where God is we have this spiritual warfare going on. Here’s the part that just absolutely stuns me. I love this part. Jesus, when he returns, doesn’t come back up in the stars, and we have to meet him where the stars are. He comes right back into Satan’s territory and snatches us out so fast that the enemy doesn’t even know it’s happened until it’s over with.

SID: I’m going to tell you something. I want you to talk about never revealed. No scholars have ever heard this. Revelations, you have God about the mountain in Heaven, the stones in Heaven, about Lucifer. We’ll be right back.

SID: Hello. Sid Roth here. Welcome to my world where it’s naturally supernatural. My guest had cancer three times. Nothing the doctors could do for him. In desperation he went to Oral Roberts just before Oral was promoted to Heaven. Oral prayed for him. His cancer went away, but he got something new, the supernatural gift of faith and he wants to impart that to you. Anyone want it? Okay, I have James Goll here. He’s a good friend. I’ve known him many years. I trust his prophetic word. That’s why the devil tried to take him out. Thirty times he gets cancer. Doctors say there’s nothing they can do. In desperation he goes to Oral Roberts and asks for prayer. What happened?

JAMES: Well it was an amazing encounter, a God encounter. And so went from Nashville, Tennessee with a white mask on. My white blood count was dangerously low. There was nothing more the doctors could do, my third bout with non-Hodgkin’s lymphoma cancer. So to tell a story short, then towards the end of the time in his home I was sitting on this little ottoman at the chair where Oral Roberts was sitting and he laid his hands on me.

SID: You’re provoking me to jealousy. I wanted to go there. I never made it.

JAMES: I really wanted to be there, too, and so, and I wasn’t even on the list to get invited, and I heard about it, and I said, God I want to be there. And then all at the last moment I got invited, so I got your invitation. Okay.

SID: Wait a second.

JAMES: God does things for desperate people. Okay. It was something like that. So here I am in Oral Roberts’ home and then towards the end if you wanted prayer you could be prayed for. Well I wanted prayer. That’s what I went for. And I thought, I really believed in my knower that I was going to be the last person that Oral Roberts would pray for that would get healed. I’m sitting there and he says, “I want you to know I have never prayed for anyone for longer than 15 seconds.” And I’m going, “I don’t care. One second will work.” And so he lays his hands on me, and he said this, and it’s marked in memory for all the days of my life. And he laid his hands upon on me, and he said, “I eradicate every cancer cell in your body and I command it to never come back again.” And I felt like a lightning bolt of the presence of God went down on the inside of me. It was amazing. And something happened. Guess what happened?

SID: I know what happened.

JAMES: What happened?

SID: You got healed.

JAMES: I got healed.

SID: But now you know me. I am just so curious about God. I get so excited about God.

JAMES: Right.

SID: What did it really, you said lightning bolt. I know that word. Did it really feel that way?

JAMES: I don’t know else to say it. It was an energizing power, presence of the Holy Spirit. It was external and then with his laying of hands it went and deposited in me, in me. And what I actually believe it was, was the gift of faith.

SID: Okay. So you got a double thing. The cancer went out.

JAMES: That’s right.

SID: And this gift of faith went in. Had you ever had such a gift like this?

JAMES: No. I had moved in discerning of spirits on a regular basis. I moved in prophecy for 30-some years and different gifts of the spirit. But I would say that that was not one of my strong points and I had not really regularly functioned in the gift of faith. But I ended up at doctors. My white blood count was supernaturally raised. My blood count was all fine after this and I go back, to this day, once a year for a checkup and seven years later the cancer has never come back. And guess what? It’s never coming back again.

SID: I agree. Now I know you have faith for people that have cancer to pray for them. But you have something new that I’m excited about. I’m so excited. This same supernatural gift of faith that was imparted to him from the laying of hands of Oral Roberts, he by speaking can impart that to other people. Now you recently had downloaded a teaching that is really revolutionary on gifts of the Spirit. Tell me about this.

JAMES: Oh my goodness.

SID: Tell me about when it happened. I want to know that.

JAMES: Well actually it’s been a deposit over years. And like many people you sit under teaching and then it builds up and builds up, and builds up, and being a teacher myself and a pastor in the past, and recognized as a prayer and prophet leader. So there’s been this build-up. But then I go to teach this material and I go to teach it all over again and the Lord gives me a dream, and I’m going out, and I’m saying to the Lord, I’m saying, Lord, there’s a piece missing. There’s a piece missing. I know you have the piece. What is the piece? And I get this, and it comes to me so clear and simple, and it was releasing spiritual gifts today. And the Holy Spirit emphasized the word “today” and the word “today” resonated on the inside of me, and then I understood Hebrews 11:1 better. “Now faith is.” Faith isn’t about yesterday nor is it projected to the future. Now it is present. It is present tense. Now faith is. And that’s how spiritual gifts are, releasing, receiving and releasing spiritual gifts, when? Yesterday? Thank God for everything that’s gone on in the past. Thank God for what’s going to happen in the future, but how about faith for the release of spiritual gifts today.

SID: Well faith is always now and that’s what you do with your teaching. Everything you teach is not by the time you develop your muscles, your spiritual muscles. It’s now. I like it. I think God is in a hurry. I think God wants to show him some before people that don’t know him and what happens if all believers are equipped to demonstrate the Kingdom, the signs and wonders. In fact, define to me “spiritual gifts.”

JAMES: Well they’re not natural talents. Some people think that you get like a gift that matches your personality. Not necessarily, really. Okay. Sometimes, but no. It’s supernatural. I think there’s a television show that’s out today and I have this friend, and he wears these like bright ties sometimes.

SID: All the time.

JAMES: A different one on every show and it’s called something like “It’s Supernatural.” Well the spiritual gifts are that way, Sid. They’re not natural. They’re supernatural ability of God that he deposits by grace and they’re free gifts that he gives to his people to demonstrate his love through them to others.

SID: Briefly tell me about an example of using these gifts, like in Albania.

JAMES: Awesome. Oh well. Right after communism had lifted and I was one of the first people into Albania and I had ministered in the capitol in Tirana for a while, they take me up the coast, and it’s dark, it’s raining. I’m on the cliff overlooking the Adriatic Sea and I’m saying, O God, O God, O God, what do you have for these ancient Shqiperian people? And a word floats to my mind and it is “Sarah.” There was no worship. It was a cold building. It was raining. It was not a good atmosphere. It was like January. And so I’m up there and I had to talk with my interpreter, and, oh my goodness, it didn’t seem like I was getting very far. So we cried help. But guess what? The helper answers and he says to me, and he reminds me, “Sarah.” So I turned to my interpreter and I said, “How do you say Sarah in Shqiperian He says, “Sabrina.” So then I speak and the interpreter interprets, and I try to tell this. And I said, “Is there a Sabrina here?” Place is packed. Everybody knows everybody. No one is a believer. And so one lady stands in the back, and I go, Praise God, Hallelujah Jesus. Sabrina was there. So she stands. So I say, “Sabrina, come to the front.” She’s now standing there. Words of knowledge are coming to me. “Your name is Sabrina. You have never heard the Gospel of Jesus Christ in your lifetime. You’re 32 years old. You have a tumor in your left breast and Jesus wants to heal you.”

SID: That’s called stepping out.

JAMES: Yes it was. And guess what? Her name was Sabrina. She had never heard Jesus. She had a thick winter coat. She had cancer and a tumor in her left breast. She gets healed, saved, delivered all right then in front of everybody.

SID: I’m going to tell you something. When we come back James has revelation on the working of miracles. I want him to teach about that. Be right back.

SID: Now LaDonna teaches the same truths her parents taught. Her son teaches the same truths she taught. But these are Osborns. Do you teach just regular people these same truths? And here’s the big question, do they get the same results?

LaDONNA: Yes. Yes. Every place we go, what we do is done in such a way that the people there understand that this is the ideal of God’s life for them. And they go everywhere. They scatter, praying for the sick, seeing miracles, winning souls, building churches.

SID: You know, I’m in favor of supernatural gifting. I operate in supernatural gifting. But what LaDonna is teaching is for everyone. LaDonna, tell me about a creative miracle that’s one of your favorites from your prayers.

LaDONNA: This little boy, six years old, was born without a kneecap. He never walked. He heard on the radio that there were miracles happening at this Festival of Faith and Miracles, and so he told his father, “Take me there and I’ll be healed.” So the father put the child on his shoulders and walked, did the trek to the crusade grounds. And did you know that the moment that father’s feet touched the grounds, that little boy just said, “Okay, put me down.” Now that’s faith. Expecting matter of factly that something, like the woman in the Bible, “When I touch him, I’ll be made clean.” We can declare the time for our miracle. He said, “Put me down.” So the father put him down. That child had a kneecap, a creative miracle. He was running all around. He never heard a sermon. He never heard a prayer. But he believed in the miracle power of Jesus Christ.

SID: I’m going to challenge you right now. Here’s my challenge. I am going to turn LaDonna loose to teach just as she teaches at one of these campaigns and you will become like a little child. Only believe. All things are possible to those who believe. LaDonna.

LaDONNA: You see, when we teach everywhere in the world as I’m coming to you now, we begin by declaring that the Word of God is true, that God is not a liar, and that he has given promises. And he has demonstrated his good will through the example, the ministry of Jesus, God in the flesh who came to Earth. So important that we understand. And an example, and I love to give these examples when I minister globally, was the leper that came to Jesus in Matthew, chapter 8. You remember, he came and while we don’t understand the restrictions on lepers so much today, they had to live segregated. They couldn’t be around people. If they came near, they had to call out, “Unclean! Unclean!” Imagine declaring yourself unclean all the time. Depression, the demoralization of the leper in Jesus’ day. Well this leper, the Bible says, came to Jesus. Wow. So we start out by learning that we must come to Jesus without fear. And the man said to Jesus, listen to this, he said, “If you are willing, you are able to make me clean.” Now that’s a question that plagues so many Christians. That question becomes a hindrance to their miracle. They know that Jesus can do miracles. They know he has the power. They know he’s healed others. And yet, they’re not sure will he heal me. And that question becomes a block. Well we learn the answer by observing what Jesus did. He touched the leper. He was not afraid to be contaminated. My friend, he’ll touch you no matter what has contaminated your life or what issue you may be dealing with. He touched leper. That’s love. That’s power. And he said, these are the words, he said, “I want to. I’m willing. Be clean.” And the Bible says, immediately that man’s skin was healed. So you see, if we can just come to Jesus with faith, if we’re willing to expose even our unbelief to him and trust his answer, his answer is yes. And so we come to him, we lay our issue before him and we hear his yes. By faith then we receive. Can it be that simple? The scripture says, “I’m the Lord your healer.” Can you believe that, accept the yes of Jesus? Let me pray for you. Put your hand wherever you want Jesus to touch you. Heavenly Father, look at the people that come into with faith. Touch them where they’re touching themselves. May they feel your presence and may your healing life go through them now. I command every spirit of disease and infirmity to leave the people and do not come back. For you have been defeated by the resurrected Jesus. And now Lord, may your healing life flow through the people. In Jesus’ name, receive your healing. You are healed now. Say amen.

SID: I love medically documented miracles. Skeptics, where are you? Tell me about the Garza twins.

DON: The Garza twins attend our church. Their parents, Isaiah and Evangelina have gone to our church for several years. And when they discovered they were expecting twins, they started going through the normal process of going to the doctor’s appointments and that kind of thing. And pretty early on, they discovered that the twins had what is called twin-to-twin transfusion, where blood is passing back and forth between the twins.

SID: Is that dangerous?

DON: That’s very dangerous. It’s almost always fatal to at least one of the children and usually to both of the children. And as they walked through that process, they were advised by almost everybody that they saw to abort the pregnancy, and they chose not to do that.

SID: Even with that kind of a prognosis.

DON: Even with that kind of a prognosis. In fact, one day

SID: They have to be, you must be doing a good job if they’re in your church. You taught them right.

DON: Well I don’t know if I did a good job or they’re just smart people.

SID: Okay. So they went against the doctor’s advice.

DON: They did go against the advice of the medical community in not aborting the twins. They just chose to let God decide what would happen with their children. And so they continued with this pregnancy. And the longer it went, the more opinionated the advice became from the medical community that they should abort. And on a Sunday night in our church, we had a miracle healing service, and they came to that miracle healing service, and came up for prayer. And a lady in our church, one of my board member’s wives, Kim Hawthorne, prayed with them. And at the end of that prayer, she said to them, she said, “Go document this night because God has performed a miracle for you, and write down the date and the time, and what occurred because something has changed here.” And so when they went back to the doctor, the doctor as he’s doing the sonogram, he said, “Amazing, amazing. There’s baby one, there’s baby two and it appears that something has changed here. But yet, the diagnosis was that you still should expect that there is going to be some really severe consequences when these children are born.” But they knew at that time that the miracle had taken place, and we were believing that these twins would be born normal, and that they would live normal and healthy lives. And of course, the medical community believed that even if they were born, that they probably would not be able to live normal lives just because of all the things that go with the twin-twin transfusion.

SID: Now how old are they today and what do they look like?

DON: These children are ten years old today and they’re the picture of health.

SID: I want to go to Dr. Alexander Reiter. He’s a heart specialist at Texas Children’s Hospital, Houston Medical Center. Let’s go to that clip now.

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Dr. Reiter: Follow this blood vessel. You see, it goes like this. And here connects with this one. So this was the main connection between the two. So blood from this one will go into this one and end up in the other baby or vice versa. What happened here at a certain point, this here clotted, formed a little clot and it stopped it. And when it stopped it, allowed them to recover. That’s what saved them. That’s what saved them. Because otherwise, it would have continued, would have died, both of them. Both of them would have died. This is a miracle.

Male: Yeah, grace of God.

Dr. Reiter: Yeah.

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SID: Did you get that? A medical doctor said, “This is a miracle.” And God is not a respecter of persons. As a matter of fact, God spoke to you audibly, and what did he tell you?

DON: The Lord spoke to me and said, “If you can convince the people I will do my work.” And so I took that to mean that if, in my preparation and in my preaching, I needed to take the Scriptures that the Lord had laid on my heart and figure out what can I do in my delivery, in my presentation to convince these people that God is actually going to do and wants to do this. And I think that when my preaching changed that the number of miracles began to increase that we were seeing in our church and our ministry. You know, Ephesians 3:20 says that, “God is able to do exceedingly and abundantly above that which we are able to ask or think of him according to the power of works in us.” Now the problem is, not that we think God is not able. Our problem is believing he’s willing. And the Bible says he’s able to do these things, and that exceedingly and abundantly means that God will go past or way past, do more than what the Bible says that we can ask or think of him.

SID: You’re convinced of that, aren’t you?

DON: I’m convinced of that, yes.

SID: Okay. There are crosses that people bear. All of a sudden, a doctor says you have cancer. All of a sudden, there’s an accident. Tell me about the Mr. Funderburg.

DON: John Funderburg is a pastor friend of mine. He pastors a church in Murfreesboro, Arkansas. And at 32 years old, John is a great big guy, he’s a healthy, strong guy, and at 32 years old, suddenly, he was overcome with a heart problem. In a 24-hour period of time, John went from working in a sawmill to being in an intensive care unit, in a hospital in Hot Springs, Arkansas. And that night, the doctors came and told him wife Crystal that there’s very little chance of his survival. His heart was pumping 10 to 15 percent of what it should be pumping. The only chance would be for a heart transplant.

SID: Simultaneously, what were you and your church doing while this is going?

DON: We’re praying. Everyone that knew John was praying. There were people all over the nation, maybe around the world that were praying for John.

SID: Did the doctor expect him to recover?

DON: The doctor did not expect him to recover.

SID: Well let me read you a report from the doctor that was involved in that. And the doctor’s name is Dr. Steven Hutchins, Medical Director, Baptist Heart Transplant Institute. “Mr. Funderburg came to Baptist Medical Center with severe heart failure and in shock. He was gravely ill and being evaluated for heart transplantation at the time of his admission. I saw him in my office one month later and his repeat echo showed absolutely normal. Mr. Funderburg has a miraculous, you don’t see that from doctors, “a miraculous recovery.” Well when we come back, what happens when a world-renowned surgeon is operating on a patient and the Holy Spirit says, “Do something that has never been done before.” You realize the patient will die if this isn’t God and you also realize you’ll lose your practice. What would you do? We’re going to find out when we come back.

Sid:  So Mordecai was really a type of an intercessor, and Mordecai because of his intercession came to Esther and he said:

“Esther if you don’t stand up for the Jewish people God will raise deliverance from another source. So Esther said I need not just you being an intercessor I need all the Jewish people to be intercessors three days I want you to fast and pray and be…and intercede for me and I’m going to go to the King and if I perish I perish.”

She knew that was potentially life threatening for her but she went to the King anyway and it was certain death if the King hadn’t asked her to come.  But the King looked at her and there was such beauty of her and Esther, church, there’s such beauty on you if you only could comprehend. Stop looking at yourself the way people have made you, stop looking at yourself the way the mirror shows you, you start looking at yourself as a daughter and a son of the living God with God Himself inside of you.  And if God is for you who can be against you and Esther found the secret of the King’s heart because this what it says in Esther 5:2.  You see the secret of the King God not the king of Persia and Iran; the secret to the King of God has to do in the last of the last days at the set time to favor Zion with saving the Jewish people. So Esther 5:2, 3 says:

“When he saw Queen Esther standing there in the inner court when the Kings saw this he welcomed her and he held out the golden scepter to her so Esther approached and touched the end of the scepter. Then the King asked her ‘What do you want Queen Esther? What is your request I will give it to you even if it is half of my kingdom?’”

And if you can just touch the scepter of the King of kings anything you want is yours; all things are yours but you must be on the right side of God in reference to the Jew in Israel. If you are on the wrong side of God I tell you your sin will just keep spiraling and spiraling until it gets so big that there’s going to be no point of return.

“This is prophetic crunch time” as Perry Stone told me in a recent interview. Anti-Semitism is moving as high as it was at this point just as Hitler got started in Germany. You’ve read the stories of what’s going on in Paris, the magazine publisher the kosher grocery market.

Did you know that in France there’s 500,000 Jewish people?  I recently saw in the news a Jewish reporter a non-believer in Jesus went with a hidden camera into the Muslim areas of Paris and this wasn’t into radical Muslims this was into normal Muslims in Paris. People were cursing at him, spitting at him, saying outrageous things to him. It’s not just radical Islam in France.

In Ukraine there’s some 250,000 Jews, I think much more than that that’s what the records show.  Now the leader of the pro-Russian army said in a recent headline, “The Ukraine is run by miserable Jews.” So who is he blaming?  Who are the Muslim’s in France blaming?  Who are the Russian’s in Ukraine blaming?  The Jewish people.

Look at this headline in Great Britain against the Jews, “We are leaving Britain Jews aren’t safe here anymore!”  The same thing that is happening in Europe I know is a preview of what the devil wants to happen in the United States.  Even the Prime Minister of Israel, Netanyahu, said and I quote “The only safe place for European Jews is Israel” and I agree with that.

Esther had 2 banquets I’ve always pondered about that why did she not tell the King at the first banquet who she was and God gave me a revelation.  You see we Jewish people as I told you were called to evangelize be a light to the nations to evangelize the Gentiles. The Jewish people didn’t accomplish our original destiny at the first coming. Esther when she went to the King to save the Jewish people didn’t accomplish her destiny so she scheduled a second banquet.  Just before the return of Jesus Paul can’t contain himself in his excitement in Romans 11:12 it says:

“Now if their (That’s the Jewish people’s) fall is riches for the world (In other words the Gentile’s were grafted in) and their failure riches for the Gentiles how much more their fullness?”

You see what Paul is saying the Jewish people are ready to fulfill their destiny; Esther went to that second banquet and told the King she was connected to the Jewish people and shortly all of her people and her were going to be murdered. I’m telling you the Jewish people are about ready to fulfill their destiny; what is our destiny?  Our destiny is to evangelize the world, well I’ll get a little more into that in a few minutes, but even Haman’s wife knew about Genesis 12:3 in which God says:

“I God will bless those who bless the Jewish people and curse those who curse them.”

In Esther 6:13 Haman’s wife Zeresh said to him:

“If Mordecai before whom you have begun to fall is of Jewish decent you will not prevail against him but will surely fall before him.”

Obadiah 1:15 says the same thing:

“As you have done to Israel so it will be done to you.”

Haman had that ring of authority and he sealed the King’s order to kill every Jew alive in that kingdom and the law could not be changed except if there was a higher law.  And the higher law is found in Esther 9:5:

“Thus the Jews defeated all their enemies with a stroke of the sword.”

What do we know the sword is symbolic of? The word of God. When the Jews were equipped with word of God we were able to defeat out enemies. But here’s what happened when Esther, when the church, equipped the Jews with the word of God, with the sword Gentile revival broke out in the land.  Do you get that?  Here take a look at it Esther 8:17

“Then many of the people of the land became Jews.”

It’s called the law of evangelism.  When you reach out to spare the Jewish people revival breaks out in the land.

In Amos 9:13 it records the greatest revival in history one that has never occurred, one that is about ready to occur right at this moment. It’s the restoration of the Tabernacle of David; the word tabernacle in Hebrew means house or family.  The restoration of the family of David. Who is the family of David? The Jewish people, and this is what it says in Amos 9:13

“The time will come says the Lord (That’s when the Jewish people are restored, restored to who? Restored to God) the time will come says the Lord when the grain and grapes will grow faster than they can be harvested.”

Have you ever seen a harvest like that?  In other words there will be people waiting in line to get saved.  I mean get that picture inside of you; people waiting in line to be saved?

I just had lunch today I don’t know what time you’re listening to it; but I just had lunch this day and see a man with a Kippa, a Yarmulke, on his head. And I walk up to him and I said “You’re obviously a religious you wearing a Kippa” and we had a nice little dialog.  And then I said “I want you to help me out and I told him about Isaiah 53 and I told him about Jeremiah 31:31 the New Covenant. And I said “Have you ever heard that before?” He said “No, never.” And then I said “I read a book and if you walk me to my car I’ll get it out of the trunk “They Thought for Themselves.” And I gave him that book and then he took my number and he wants to call me after he finishes reading the book and I have tell you and then he started telling me that he had died on the operating table and he came back to life and the doctors were amazed.  And I said “Well, I know why you came back to life… I’m just telling you that’s a foretaste they are going to be Jewish people and Gentile people waiting in line to be saved. Are you ready Esther?

And then this is a pretty interesting point it says that Haman build a gallows for Mordecai to hang him on? Do you know what the devil did? The devil did the similar thing he thought that he could get the ring of authority from Adam and Eve and get their authority but it ended up messing the devil up; it ended up messing Haman up. Esther 7:10:

“So they hanged Haman on the gallows that they had prepared for Mordecai.”

Here’s the mystery in 1^st Corinthians 2:7 and 8:

“We speak the wisdom of God in a mystery the hidden mystery which God ordained before the ages for our glory which none of the rulers of this age knew for had they known they would never had crucified the Lord of Glory.”

Had Haman known he never would have built a 72 foot pole to crucify Mordecai on because that’s what happened to Haman.  And by the way it get really end time when you realize that not only was Haman a type of the devil but his 10 sons were also hung on the tree. Revelations 12:3 says:

“There’s a dragon (That’s the devil with how many horns?  Ten horns. How many sons did Haman have? It’s not a coincidence 10 sons. And then it says) The dragon made war with the Jewish people.”

So you can see when I say that this is the end-time book for the church Esther.

Now then the ring of authority that Haman had, the ring of authority that the devil had this is what happened to it in Esther 8:2:

“So the King took off his signet ring which he had taken from Haman and he gave it to Mordecai.”

That ring of authority now Jesus has; that the devil had, the devil doesn’t have that ring of authority Esther any more. And He has delegated that authority to me. He’s delegated that authority to you because we are in the set time to favor Zion; we’re at the time when the judgment of blindness, the righteous judgment of blindness has come off of the eyes of Jewish people.  How do I know that?  Because there’s something called the fullness of the Gentiles that’s mentioned in Luke 21:24 and Romans 11:25 it says:

“Jerusalem will be trodden down by the Gentiles until the fullness of the Gentiles come in.”

• 1967 Jerusalem in Jewish possession, that’s the first clue that the blindness is over.
• The second clue Romans 11:25 “Partial blindness has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles comes in.”

Did you hear about the outreaches I’ve had in Israel recently?  525 Jewish people in Jerusalem stand up and boldly proclaim Jesus is the Messiah.

Do you know what’s going on in Ukraine right now?  We have a booklet it’s a witness booklet called “I Witnessed the Last Day on Earth,” 10,000 have been printed in the Ukraine language distributed door to door in Jewish neighborhoods.  Did you know we have 300,000 mini-versions of this printed in the newspaper that’s being distributed right now and they plan this year alone to have a million of these newspapers distributed.

Did you know that I can’t explain exactly how but the soldiers that are up against the Russia army the Ukraine solders are being give these booklets that are the most evangelistic booklets I’ve ever designed.

Do you know the book “The Thought for Themselves” the 10 Jewish testimonies we printed in Russian and we distributed to 190,000 Russian Jews in Germany.

Did you know that in North America we have mailed 1.5 million of these evangelistic books to Jewish people, we’ve seeded America. I see America’s not worse hour finest hour about ready to happen. Can you picture what’s going to happen to these Jewish evangelists when they get turned on and have encounters with God?  And by the way we have 1.4 million of these evangelistic books distributed throughout Russia.

It’s Supernatural we’re on television in the Ukrainian language 14 times a week and by the way on secular TV.  We’re on Spanish now in North and South America “It’s Supernatural Television.”  The former Soviet Union we’re on 5 times a week I’m told it’s the most popular show throughout the former Soviet Union, why? Because Jews are fascinated with the Supernatural.

In Israel we’re on 33 times a week secular and Christian television in Hebrew and Russian, and English and even Arabic.  We just went on a new station in Hebrew with blanket Europe, Israel, North and South America Jews that have left Israel now can hear It’s Supernatural in Hebrew. We just went on the former BBC station it covers all of Great Britain with “It’s Supernatural.”

God is up to something.  And I heard a story from a woman that was an eye witness of this story she’s a friend of mine and this is what she told me… I’ll tell you what when we come back I’m going to tell you what she told me.

Sid:  I believe the catalyst for being red hot for the Messiah it’s in the atmosphere right now. I’m sure most of you have noticed that the secular news commentators since the terrorist tragedy of September 11^th occurred have been saying such things to the effect “Nothing will ever be the same again.” As you look at the United States of America and even the rest of the world there are certain changes that have occurred and nothing will ever be the same again. But I proclaim in the spirit realm “Nothing will ever be the same again.”

I have a copy of my new book called “The Last Lap,” the subtitle “The Emergence of the One New Man.” The cover tells a story in itself. It’s a track where men run around and race and it’s a relay race. You’ve seen relay races where one man on a team passes the baton to a second, and the then the third, and you reserve your champion for the last lap. That’s where the name of the book came from. On the cover is this racetrack, it’s very clear, and you have two men running, but rather than passing the baton these two men have their hands joined together. One has a Jewish star on His t-shirt, the other has the fish the Christian symbol on his t-shirt. One is a Jewish man and the other is a Gentile man. Surrounding both of them is the tallit, the prayer shawl and this symbolizes the One New Man. In the television commercial we are going to do we’re going to see that Jew and Gentile under the prayer shawl just become Yeshua, Jesus, the King of the Jews, the One New Man.  I believe there are ingredients in this book that God is going to use as a catalyst for the greatest move of God in the history of mankind.

There is a battle going on it’s not a natural battle it’s a supernatural battle. Most Christians, forget unsaved, most Christians are not even aware of this battle, and the battle involves on the physical plane physical Jews going back to the land of Israel. The second battle involves physical Jews having the spiritual scales come off of our eyes and being grafted into the One New Man, the body of Messiah and both are in process of happening right now.

Turn to Acts the 17^th chapter the 26^th verse, “And He has made from one blood every nation of men to dwell on all the face of the earth and has determined there pre-appointed times and the boundaries of their dwellings.” The NIV translation says “And God has determined the exact places where they should live.” Now that’s pretty interesting in itself but what makes it of even greater importance is in Bible when I look up that verse there’s a cross-reference to Deuteronomy chapter 32 verse 8. If I turn to Deuteronomy chapter 32 verse 8 and read that cross-reference this is what God says “When the most high divided their inheritance to the nations when He separated the sons of Adams He set the boundaries of the people.” Now what were the boundaries of the people the Goyim, the Gentiles, established by?  Because remember in the cross-reference God says He has the exact place where we’re supposed to live, but it is contingent on the boundaries that God set for the nations. What is it based on? Keep reading, “According to the number of the children of Israel.” You see when the Jewish people are in place the whole world is in place. That’s why over and over again in the Jewish scriptures it says that “God will scatter the Jewish people because of sin to the four corners of the earth.” Jeremiah says “As long as there is a sun and moon and stars there’ll be a physical Jew in existence” even though we would lose our temple, our city, our country and we would be scattered to the four corners of the earth. God says we would still, as long as there is a sun and moon and stars there’ll be a physical Jew on the face of this earth.

One of the greatest proofs that God wrote the Bible is the fact that the physical Jew still exists as a physical Jew and has not just assimilated as any other nation after a couple of thousand years of not having a homeland, of not having a temple a religious system, being persecuted; which the word of God says would happen wherever we would go we would be persecuted as a people. You would think just self-defense that every Jew in the world would have assimilated just to hide the fact so that we wouldn’t be attacked we wouldn’t be persecuted, we wouldn’t murdered. What Hitler did was not the first time and unfortunately according to the word of God it won’t be the last time, but God says “Can a nation be formed in one day?”  Israel was formed in one day and from the four corners of the earth God is restoring Jewish people back to the land of Israel.

There is one nation where most of the Jews have chosen not to go back to Israel. Any guess? The United States of America. But as the Jew goes back into place the whole world gets in place, and when the whole world gets in place then the Gentiles will be in place when the Jews are in place because the word of God says that the boundaries as for the Gentiles are established according to the children of Israel being in place.

Whether you realize it or not, this is a key to understanding scripture, God is up to something, something major with the nation of Israel. Even Zechariah says “In the last days all nations will turn against Jerusalem to battle,” but there is this battle going on it’s a supernatural battle because you see the devil knows when all the Jews are back in Israel, well then all the Gentiles will be in place, and the King of the Jews will be in place Yeshua, Jesus the Messiah.

So you see why there’s a supernatural battle of the devil trying to stop Jews from going to Israel. Let’s face it you take a look at the news if you were an American Jew, I mean the last place you’d want to go is Israel. I mean you’re surrounded by enemies that will not be satisfied until they have all of Israel. They don’t want a peace agreement they want Israel piece by piece. You’re living in a 3^rd world nation, why would you want to trade the prosperity of America for going to a 3^rd world country where your life might be threatened? There’s no way an American Jew is going to do that unless there is a turning, and changing, and the United States of America would not be such a safe place for Jewish person to live.

I have to tell you a true story, my sister who’s a school teacher, my brother in law who is an accountant both very successful in their fields, both Jewish. My sister had a dream a few years ago and in the dream she saw herself and her husband getting on an airplane and going to Israel. She had the feeling she was delaying her trip because she wanted her retirement dollars and she had to wait a few years to get her retirement. She saw her and her husband getting on a plane and going to Israel to make Aliyah. As God says “He will leave none of the Jews in the diaspora in the last days in the prophet Ezekiel, not one will be left.

She saw her and her husband on the plane then the Lord spoke to them on the plane “This is the last plane for Jews to get out of the country.” Then of course she woke up. What did that mean? I believe it’s a prophetic illustration that we Jewish people are holding on to the materialism in the United States and we’re refusing to leave. Well God’s going to do something about that.

By the way, my sister and brother in law last month made Aliyah, immigrated to Israel. I believe there’s going to be laws passed very shortly in the United States of America that citizens will not be able to take their money out of the United States. You see how difficult it’ll be for Jews to go to Israel at that point? We’re going to have to go with the clothing on our back.

You see why if you’re Jewish and you’re listening to me right now pray about whether you should make Aliyah to Israel. Much better to go with your possessions than not to be able to take anything out, but there’s a supernatural battle to stop Jewish people from going to the land of Israel. But there’s an even greater battle in the heaven lies because the salvation, the revival of the world is contingent upon this and that’s to stop Jewish people from believing in Jesus. I’m going to be teaching about that this week.

Sid: I have on the telephone Jon Maracle I’m speaking to him at the Tyen-di-naga, oi vei was I close Jon?

Jonathan: Tyendinaga.

Sid: Oh I wasn’t even close territory Ontario, Canada where you were raised. You are a Native American from the Mohawk Tribe. And as a matter of fact you’ve done some pretty serious song writing with the television series “High Way to Heaven” played one of your songs how did they happen to do that?

Jonathan: Well I had written a song before I was a Christian and it was called “Survival in the Streets” and it’s amazing that the TV show “Highway to Heaven” picked it up before I was a Christian.  And it was about in with the in crowd and I wrote the song about the death and the struggle of people in the streets and the pain and the hardship of being on the street as a street way of life.

Sid: How did you end up in that type of a lifestyle coming from a really good Christian family?

Jonathan: Well I guess the thing that really took me in that direction was the hypocrisy in the church.  As I grew up as a young man I was in church most of my life as a young man, and you know I just noticed that people said one thing and did another a lot in church. And unfortunately I did not realize that it was a personal relationship that I needed and that I didn’t need to be looking to see other people and their walk but I needed to focus on my own. And this was when I was young and didn’t really realized that I was supposed to do it that way. So I watched people fall and rise and to me that was like “Well if you’re supposed to be a Christian aren’t you supposed to do things right?”  And so that’s why I left our home when I was 17 and began a career in Rock and Roll that lasted for 13 years.

Sid: We’re you much into drugs?

Jonathan: Oh yeah I did I did my fair share of drugs yeah.

Sid: Have any close calls?

Jonathan: Awe yeah I took enough at times to knock myself right out you know. And oh I spent some awful time drinking. I was so wrapped up in drugs that at the end when I was realizing that something had to change I couldn’t get away from them I had to have them every day and I’d drink, and I just felt life was over I didn’t even care to live any more.

Sid: But your father not only was he a minster he had a miracle ministry. Didn’t that have an impact on you even with the hypocrisies you saw the real thing also?

Jonathan: Yeah it did but you know the way of the world was sweet it seemed to me and I just kind of was wooed by people that were around me by piers and all.  I guess music was really caught my spirit. And I got involved in music you know I was in music in the church and then when I saw the excitement of the music in the world and I tasted and I kept going in that direction for a long time but it was a steady downhill spiral for me in my life.

Sid: What basically caused the difference what was the change besides going downhill and then dying?

Jonathan: Well I was in Hollywood, California and I had left home over 3 years before that and every once in a while I would call home and see if they would send me some money or something to help me out in my plight to become a world famous Rock singer (Laughing) that was my vision.  And I could remember calling home one time and my father I asked him if I could get some money from him and he said…and I hadn’t talked to him in like you know it was about a year from the first time that I had called him because I was arrogant and I didn’t want to have to ask but when I was down on my luck I guess the world would say “I called and I asked and I said “Dad can you help me?” And he said “Son I can’t help you do what I believe your doing is not of God.” He said “I believe God has a calling on your life” he said “And I’ll tell you this God has told me you will never make it in the world” he said “Because God has set you aside for His Kingdom.” And he said “When you turn to God” he said “You’re going to see but he said “Son I’ve got people all over North America that are praying for you every day.” And I got mad at my father on the phone and I swore at him and told him I didn’t want him to have his people praying for me because it was stopping me (Laughing) you know from doing what I wanted to do. So my dad and I didn’t talk for about 2 ½ years after that.  And I was really broken and I was in Hollywood and I had signed with a world record deal and it looked like things were going to start going where they’re getting sales in Germany and Japan and stuff like that through this band that I was joining they had already opened up these markets and I was going to be their lead singer. So I became a part of this band began to write and all and then the record company that picked us up we did a showcase for them and during this showcase I was singing the songs that kind of reflected my native heritage because that’s always been a big part of my life and so I was singing songs like the songs that I have as a Christian “Ride the Wind” And “Fly Like an Eagle” and different songs that reflected my heritage. So I sang these songs at the showcase and at the end my manager came to me after sitting with the producers and the people with the record company and told me they really liked the way you sing, they like your style they really like the band but they said “You don’t have enough connotations of evil and you don’t talk about sex and drugs and those things you need to talk about in your music. They said because that’s what the North America public wants.” And I looked at them and said “I’m native I want to sing about native things” I said “I want to sing about who I am and represent myself that way to the world.” And they basically said “We’re paying the bill so you do it our way or don’t do it at all.” I walked out and I became very very very depressed very broken didn’t really…I’d lost my will to live almost and I went out for a walk and saw some things happen in Hollywood that were just terrible a man got knifed that same day that I was in this terrible depression. The guy who knifed him on a bus jumped off and took off running. Just all of these things just helped to affect my condition that I was in and when I came back to my apartment I was crying and I sat at my desk and I always knew I was songwriter that I wrote my best songs in what emotional state I was in if I was really happy I could write a song that was really up.  If I was really broken I could write a song a tear jerker a bluesy song that was just you know draw people on their emotions. And so I sat down and thought “Well this is going to be a blues song of all blues songs.” And so I sat down and started to write it and as I wrote it I began to cry. Well 3½ years before when I was leaving Canada to go to Hollywood my dad gave me a ride to the bus terminal and as I was getting on the bus the last thing my father said to me and I hadn’t we didn’t talk all the way it was like a 20 minute drive to the bus terminal and I was taking the bus all the way to California. And the last thing he said to me when I got on the bus was “Jonathan when your backs against the wall, when you have nowhere to turn call out on the name of Jesus.” I just kind of looked at him and just kind of fluffed him off because I didn’t figure I needed Jesus I was arrogant, I was strong, I was a good singer, and I didn’t care about that and there was a hardness there. So when I was sitting at that table in Hollywood at my desk and I was writing this song and I began writing it and as I would sing it back to myself it was so depressing it would even make me worse so I was really crying. Right at that last minute I crumpled up the song and threw it in the garbage can and buried my head in my hands and I remembered those words my dad said “Call on the name of Jesus when your back’s against the wall.” Well I knew my back was against the wall and I said “Jesus help me!”  And within 10 minutes the phone rang and it was my father and this was 2½ years, at least 2 years, since I had spoken to my father and the phone rings and he says “Jonnie I’m coming to California to see you.” And I said “Dad” I said “You don’t want to see me here fly into Florida and I’ll come and see you and mom together.”  Because they were staying in a winter home in Florida and so my dad adjusted it so that I could go and stay and be with them and that was like the beginning of my call or…

Sid: You know we’re almost out of time we’ll pick up right here on tomorrows broadcast Mishpochah. I thought when I heard Hebraic Spirit Filled music there could be nothing I’d like as much but I’ve heard Jon your Native American music. Tell me about this selection out of the English “My Father, My Father You are My God.”

Jonathan: Rake’ni:ha means my Father and Ah Ni Io means God. So I say Rake’ni:ha Ah Ni:Io My Father My God My Father and in my heart I’m going my Father you are my God. And you know it’s about a passionate relationship with one who took me and saved me from a suicidal non-caring place and took me from a place where I was doing drugs and I was drinking and couldn’t get away from it and He had such mercy on me.

Jonathan Maracle “Broken Walls”

Sid: Sid Roth with Something More and I’m here with Shane Wall on some of the prophecies you’ve had.  According to my notes you prophesied to an infant that he would be a genius and now he’s age 10 get this and has a full scholarship that has to blow you out of the water.

Shane: It really did.

Sid: Tell me about that.

Shane: I was managing an artist a gospel artist and he sang that Saturday night and I preached that Sunday morning.  And so the pastor of the church asked me to pray for their brand new infant baby boy their grandson. So I held the baby and I was just praying and then the Holy Spirit started speaking and I said “The Lord said that this child is a genius and will be a genius.” And so I prayed accordingly and handed the baby back and I through Facebook the grandfather he sent me the article the whole 9 yards said “Do you remember my grandson you prayed for him and you said that he would be a genius, there is a university he is so smart there is a university that says ‘Whenever you graduate high school if you choose to come to us you will get a full ride, a full scholarship if you choose us’” at age 10.

Sid: Shane why does there appear to be such a huge emphasis on understanding in the Bible I mean what 300 times?

Shane: Exactly.

Sid: That is if God says it once that should be enough.

Shane: (Laughing) It’s because and of course we mentioned Proverbs 4:7 “In all thy getting get understanding.”  Because understanding Sid is a super power all success is attained by understanding. Success in marriage, success in your workplace, success in your ministry, all success is attained by understanding. I usually tell people I want you to just think of somebody just think of anybody you consider successful. So I waited a couple of seconds and I say “I guarantee whoever you’re thinking about they are successful simply because of what they understand.” And everybody’s eyes get larger like “Oh my goodness they were thinking about maybe a doctor or a singer, a politician maybe, or some athlete of some actor, actress because of what they understand that is what that brings success. When you go to look for a job let’s say on an employment site you’ll see the title of the job everybody wants a title, they went the money, they want the fame, the fortune all of that but they’re missing something. So when you go on the site you see the title you see the salary you see all of the benefits you’d love it. But what is under that title? The job description the understanding. So if you get the understanding you can get the Title, you can get the benefits, you can get the salary. What am I saying? When you get understanding, understanding attracts success.

Sid: That’s what I was going to ask you “When we demonstrate God’s understanding we become a magnet for success.”

Shane: A magnet for success, everybody who is successful is because of something they understood first. If you didn’t put forth your football abilities you would not have attracted success. If you would not have the understanding for singing high notes very clearly you would not have attracted the success to your life whatever it is that you understand and understand well always attracts everything you ever need.  So get the…that is why it’s so important God puts so much emphasis on it because when you get understanding everything else it’s almost like saying “Everything you’re asking me for get understanding,  understanding already has it it’s a package deal.”  I mean when you get understanding you get the success.

Sid: You know what I’m hearing you say “The most people put God in a box of their logic and their formula and when God doesn’t conform to their formula they say “I guess God doesn’t love me.”

Shane: (Laughing) and they missing it you’re right God does love you He gave You His word.  When you give somebody your word on it you’re going to have to back it up and of course God’s word….and the Holy Spirit said to me “God is only responsible for one thing out of everything we hear and say He’s only responsible for one thing His word. If He doesn’t say it He’s not responsible for it.” So when we get God’s word on it, when we get that understanding everything else we want, everything we’re asking Him for we can get it through the understanding that He’s already given us that we put on the shelf “Oh this is just understanding now I’m waiting for the goodies, now I’m waiting for the blessings,” it’s all in the understanding every bit of it.

Sid: You call this “God’s ultimate secret to success in every area of your life.”

Shane: Every area of your life there is nothing else on planet earth or in any hemisphere or stratosphere that you can say “God uses this more than anything else to bring success it’s His ultimate secret to success.” I saw secret as you said at the beginning at the program you said “Never heard a message on understanding.”

Sid: Wow.

Shane: I friend of mine said I’ve been in 1000’s of services, I’ve been in over 60 counties with different church services I’ve never heard a message on understanding it’s a secret. Someone said “I think God just saved this message for you Shane I just think He just did.” And it’s a secret because everything we’ve gotten it was an understanding this said everything we get is from understanding. The clothes that we wear, the water that we drink everything comes out of understanding.  There has to be an understanding if there is to be success and we can get understanding because God has all of it and it’s freely given.  And the word of God Sid doesn’t even say “To ask.” Just get it as a matter of fact in the Psalms the Psalmist says “Give me understanding.”  It’s almost like commanding God “Give me understanding that I would keep your law. Yeah I shall observe it.  Give me understanding and I will keep Thy law, yeah I shall observe it with my whole heart.”  In other words, what I need is Your understanding I can’t keep your law without understanding, I cannot do what you call me to do without understanding.  You know that I know that I have a prophetic gift in me but I don’t understand how to use it, get understanding.

Sid: Okay clarify again what is the difference between wisdom and understanding.

Shane: Okay wisdom is information.  Of course knowledge is getting that information.  Wisdom is I have this information and I have some experience to go along with it. But understanding is revealed insight. God reveals the insight that we need for a particular situation for our gifting.  He reveals the insight that we need to receive and He wants us act on the information that He’s given to us by the knowledge. And then we have the experience but we don’t have that insight, we do not have the insight so we ask God for the understanding.

Sid: Alright I’m going to demonstrate this right now and then I’m going to draw on…make a demand on the anointing on you.

Shane: Praise God.

Sid: To demonstrate right now because I’ve heard this several times, there are people watching right now, or listening to us right at this moment and you have a pain in your neck. If you’ll just bend you’ll bend right out of that pain. There are also some people with problems in your jaw and in your teeth and God wants to heal you right this moment.  And problems with your fingers when you bend you have no problems anymore in…use His Hebrew name in Yeshua’s name in Jesus name.

Shane: Hallelujah.

Sid: What’s God showing you?

Shane: The Lord is saying to me that there is someone who is watching right now and as a matter of fact when Sid was giving those words of knowledge you put your hand it’s a lady you put your hand on your heart and you began to believe God…that’s right you began to believe God to touch you at that moment He saw you precious lady He saw you. And the Lord not only touched you but He has healed you.  As a matter of fact you’ll know it’s you by what I said but you’ve also been having an upset stomach no matter what you’ve been eating you’ve been having an upset stomach.  That goes in Yeshua’s name it is gone right this very moment just by the power of God.

Sid: You told me that God longs for us to have this understanding more than we even want it.

Shane: Exactly He does.

Sid: I mean how can we build His kingdom on earth if we’re doing it as Frank Sinatra said “Our way.”

Shane: Exactly building it our way we cannot and that’s the frustration in the soul of man. I know what God has for me. I know I’m supposed to be somebody but I don’t know how to get there. “Lord show me how to get there, No I’m going to give you the understanding of who you are once you know who you are then as I said earlier you can act on the revealed insight that God gives you through understanding. “Give me understanding.” And that’s exactly how we can get it from God “Father give me understanding” as you just said.  He wants us to have it much much much more than we want to so we say “God give me understanding for this situation.”  He has to because He commanded us to get it; so we go to Him for it He has to give it to us.  And it doesn’t force Him it is His joy.  Jesus said “Little children it is the Father’s pleasure to give you the Kingdom.” God wants us to have the understanding.

Sid: Let me ask you a very sensitive area has God given you any understanding about money?

Shane: Yes He has.  You know there was one point in time I said something to God I said “Lord I need money.” And He spoke back to me the Holy Spirit said “You don’t need money money needs you.” I said “Whoa!” And then He showed me…

Sid: Maybe that’s what I’m thinking you said it I’m thinking it.

Shane: Exactly I said “Whoa!” And I work at a credit union so I’ve seen stacks and stacks of cash.  So He said to me “Take 1 million dollars put it on a table what could that money do?” I said “Nothing.”  “Exactly you don’t need money money needs you.”

Sid: Hm.

Shane: So don’t go to God and say “I need money.” No money needs you to spend it, to invest it, to donate it.  Money needs you that’s the way God sees money so you have to have the understanding about money that God has.  Then when you go talk to Him about it concerning the understanding that He has about money then you can receive.  I received a miracle because of that.

Sid: What was the miracle?

Shane:  I was preaching and I told the saints I was talking about a faith. I said “You know I have a faith I’m going through something now this is early in my pastoral ministry and we had very few members. So I knew that none of them could even give me what I needed so I felt very comfortable in just sharing how behind I was on my mortgage.  And I didn’t give the amount but I said “I’m behind and I told the Lord yesterday “Father I don’t want this blessing not one second before you give it to me I don’t want to be out of sync with Your desire at all.”

Sid: Everything is timing in the kingdom.

Shane: Yes.

Sid: If you look at the feasts in the Bible it’s timing and it’s the whole first coming of the Messiah is shown to us, the whole return of the Messiah to earth in the Biblical feasts. So God set up this whole earth.  In fact eternity has no time.

Shane: Exactly.

Sid: But here we are stuck with something called time.  Okay so now you’re behind in your mortgage what happened?

Shane: Then when I told the saints I said “Listen I’m behind but I’m believing God I told Him I don’t want it 1 second before that He wants to give it to me so not a problem.  There was a guy who visited our Assembly and he asked if he could meet with me” I said “Okay.” And he’d been visiting quite awhile so I thought he now wanted to join but just wanted to talk to me about becoming a member. So he said “Can I come to your home?” And I was like “Okay.” And he did came to my house and he said “Well I heard you say that you were behind in your mortgage do you mind sharing with me the amount?” And so I said “Okay, I said its $5,000.”  He said “Whoa!” And I said “I know thank you for your concern but it is quite a bit.”  He said “Pastor Wall that is not why I said whoa, I said whoa because when you said that I went and I prayed and I asked God to bless you and God said to me “Why are you asking Me to bless him when you have the $5,000 that you can give him.”

Sid: (Laughing)

Shane: He said “I said whoa because God has never given me such specifics in prayer before.” So he went and literally brought 5,000 cash dollars to me I’ve never had that happen in my life.

Sid: As you explained it it was not…and you know a lot of ministers manipulate.

Shane: You’re right.

Sid: They don’t ask God let’s face it they manipulate that wasn’t in your heart.

Shane: Not at all.

Sid: You were just explaining.

Shane: Yeah that’s all that I was doing this man I didn’t even know him and he just came in just regular clothing.  I wasn’t trying to make a plea God spoke to him.  And that was the proof that that was not manipulation or God would not have spoken to him and given him the specifics.  He said “That’s exactly what God said.”  So he left my house and he called and said “Can I come back?” And in a small brown paper bag he brought it.  And so I kind of questioned him I said “You just have cash laying around on a Saturday?  He said “This is just what I do my mom did it we just like to keep our money with us.” And we said “Okay, hey praise God glory to God for it.” And that came for me saying to the Lord “I don’t want it one second before You give it me you’re understanding is what I’m resting on.” Simple just that simple.

Sid: …You know you told me when I talked to you on the phone yesterday that God had shown you something our ministry what did He show you?

Shane: The Lord said concerning “Messianic Vision” that He is expanding, He is opening doors.  It’s because the reason why people watch and will be watching “Something More” and listening to the Podcast and the radio and “It’s Supernatural” is because you are used by God to give people the understanding that they need to get.  That is why they constantly watch, they constantly listen because they’re getting understanding.

Sid: So you said “Understanding attracts success.

Shane: Success.

Sid: And that’s why this ministry is…

Shane: Sucessful.

Sid: It’s amazing.

Shane: It’s going to grow.

Sid: Do you know that we don’t owe any one anything.

Shane: Glory to God (Laughing).

Sid: And you haven’t had a walk through our facility its state of the art.

Shane: Wow.

Sid: That means that after the expenses, the TV time and things like that…

Shane: Yes.

Sid: Everything is poured into reaching Jewish people with the gospel.

Shane: That is remarkable you have a heart. That is the other thing the Lord told me “Sid has a heart, he has My heart.  He wants the understanding for himself so he seeks it, he gets it and he gives it to others.”

Sid: You must be talking from God because you’re reading my mail.

Shane: (Laughing)

Sid: You see I am not just trying to do this for you I do this for every guest I try to understand what they’re doing so that I can do the same that their doing.

Shane: Of course.

Sid: And guess what I’ve been doing it and guess what many of you have been doing it.

Shane: Amen (Laughing) and they are getting the success because they’re getting the understanding. So glory be to God for Messianic Vision for releasing the understanding that people need to get.  I shudder to think what would be happening in the world if there was no Messianic Vision. If you did not seek God for the Supernatural, if you did not reach out to those who God is using and say “Come teach me and let’s teach the world so that they can get the understanding; and when they get it they will be successful.” They have been praying for people, nothing has been happening, they’ve been trying to operate in the gifts, nothing has been happening but let’s give them the understanding. And with all their getting they get the understanding, success is immediately attracted to the understanding because God revealed it. And whatever God reveals He will always back it up.

Sid: As many of you know my wife Joy and I were in Israel for Passover with my Mishpocha, with my family. My sister and brother in law recently made Aliyah, emigrated to Israel and in the midst the Passover war broke out. So I was asked to be a news correspondent with 700 Club and I hope many of you saw that I really felt like an Old Covenant prophet. I really felt like I was speaking the heart of God from Jerusalem on the 700 Club. Then on the last night we did something we’ve never done before we… as you know we’re on secular television in almost every house with It’s Supernatural, our television show, in which I’m like an investigative reporter of miracles. In the last 2 minutes I tell people how they can have intimacy with God I mean what other purpose is there for a life? That is why I’m here, that is why you’re here, that’s why we’re all here. We want everyone everywhere to hear the good news.

I put a little blurb saying “Come to the King David Hotel if you want a miracle on such an such night.” Christine Darg a friend of mine had set up a conference and I was the speaker on that evening. We advertised that I would be speaking at the meeting and that miracles would take place. People that do not like Jewish people to be in Jesus they are called anti-missionaries, not missionaries, but anti-missionaries called up the King David Hotel and threatened to take their tax status away and to really hurt them if they allowed me to have this meeting. So of course we had a signed contract but we graciously said “We don’t want to hurt them so we’ll cancel our meeting.”

However, you know something I’ve learned and I’d like to say that I don’t make this mistake anymore but it would be a lie and I wouldn’t even go to heaven unless I repented. I have learned that God is bigger than the devil and what the devil means for evil God’s going to use for good.

There’s someone I’m speaking to right now and you stop worrying about that situation God’s going to turn it around for good.  If you’re praying the tongues, you’re praying in the Spirit, that’s what God says in Romans 8.

So anyway we cancelled the meeting at the King David Hotel in Jerusalem and booked a room, a larger room I might add, at the YMCA right across the street. They said we could put our sign up so people that would come to the meeting from television show or from other sources would then just walk across the street, but there were a few things we didn’t count on. By the way the reason it was so good is it was the last day of Passover which is a Sabbath, a Shabbat, and your not allow to use microphones and electricity. So if had the meeting at the King David I would have been limited in not being able to amplify my voice so it was good we went across the street. The bad thing was there was a sign… we put up a little sign saying “Go across the street” but it started raining. It’s really amazing that Israel is experiencing, I mean people don’t remember so much rain coming down all at once and it was just continuous and thunder and lightning you wouldn’t believe the thunder and lightning and hail stones. You don’t think it would happen this time of year. These hail stones are coming down I mean something really unusual is going on in Israel. I believe rain is a type of the Holy Spirit and I believe it’s indicative of a great outpouring of God’s Spirit that’s going to happen in Israel.

So with the pouring down rain and it being across the street and a few other details I won’t go into I didn’t expect, you of great faith, I didn’t expect a lot of people. But you know what, the auditorium was filled and it was much larger than the auditorium we had booked at the King David Hotel.

Almost immediately when I started speaking words of knowledge started pouring out of me, I mean words that I’ve never… I had a vision of a woman that had tumors all over her body and I called it out and I said “If you’re here raise your hand.” Now what’s the probability of someone, of a woman, number one I eliminated all men, having tumors all over her body. The woman raised her hand, now I can’t tell you she was healed because I just said “You’re healed in Yeshua’s name” I believed it because the vision that I had. Then I started hearing words of knowledge and I started speaking them out. Twenty, twenty-five people stood up that instantly had manifestations of healings it was like God wanted them to understand that the message that was being brought forth was not just any old message. It wasn’t just religion, it wasn’t just tradition, it was from the heart of God and what did I speak on? I spoke on intimacy with God that will come in the power of God that will come when Jews are added to the church just as when Jews came to the land of Israel it was a dustbowl no one wanted it, the Arabs didn’t want it only the Jews wanted because God said we’re supposed to have that land.

So when we went to that barren desert that wasteland it blossomed just as the Bible says “Blossomed as a rose.” The same thing will happen to the church when the Jew is grafted back into their original olive tree; the original branches are grafted in its going to be so easy that’s it’s going to bring that same life to the church. There was a blessing the Jewish people rejected their Messiah, how much greater blessing when they receive their Messiah? It’ll literally be life from the dead.

So I brought this message of how important it is to reach Jewish people with the gospel at this strategic set time in history. Many many people repented, and many many people were healed, and many many people were delivered of fear.

Oh God you’re so good and I believe that’s going on right now. But the rain is indicative of the next great move of God’s Spirit and there’s going to be an outpouring on Jewish people like the world has never seen before. Just like when the outpouring of the Holy Spirit came on the Jewish people the first coming of Messiah transformed this earth. When the outpouring of the latter day rain pours out on the Jewish people it’s going to transform the church which is going to transform the world.

Let me tell you some classified information so I can’t tell you exactly but I can tell you in the United States of America we have what are known as Messianic Jewish congregations. We have freedom of speech etcetera, but in Israel it’s not so easy for someone to be a Messianic Jew. Did you know today there are 400 congregations in Israel in 72 different cities? Did you know that the congregations since the intifada started have almost doubled if not doubled in size? Did you know that this same Spirit of God is moving on Arabs as well as moving on Jews? That there was in a 2 week period 200 Bedouins came to the Lord. In one day 70 Arabs in one village were saved and the most amazing creative miracle started happening… we’re in such a wonderful time but the devil’s getting nervous.

That’s why it’s imperative that Christians know the facts about God’s plan and walk in them. It’s not just the hearers of the word it’s the hearers and the doers of the word.

Sid: I’ll tell you something if you are not red hot for the Messiah you are not going to make it with what’s about to happen on the late great planet earth. I have in the office John McTernan he’s a retired Treasury Agent he’s with Treasury 26 years.  Co-founder of an organization called “Cops for Christ.” Author of a brand new book that is literally is going to affect the destiny of the United States of America and even more important your destiny.  The book is called “Israel the Blessing or the Curse.” On yesterdays broadcast we found out that John has documented that within 24 hours sometimes even immediately when the United States takes an anti-Jewish or anti-Israel position within 24 hours there is a judgment that hits America of major consequence.  John if you would give another example of this.

John: I sure will Sid the greatest natural disaster ever to hit the United States was Hurricane Andrew in August of 1992. To this day that remains the greatest natural disaster; now 9/11 has surpassed it be the total amount of damage but I don’t consider 9/11 a natural disaster.

Sid: Of course.

John: Alright well I’m showing you front page New York Times reporting the storm.  Over here you see Hurricane Andrew front page. In the middle notice what is in the middle of the New York Times Sid. “Israel offers plan for Arabs to rule in occupied lands” and next to it “Bush’s gains nearly evaporate in latest poll.” So the entire front page of the New York Times is about President Bush, Sr. now what this article here Sid has to do with the Madrid Peace Process which we discussed yesterday was…

Sid: Land for peace.

John: Land for peace was transferred from Madrid, Spain to the United States and even Washington.  At the very time they were meeting in Washington Hurricane Andrew slammed into the United States and was the greatest up to this time the greatest natural disaster we’ve ever had literally as on our soil. We were discussing or we were in the middle of let’s say in the middle of it a mediator in this land for peace. And the land is covenant land that God has given to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob by covenant, an everlasting covenant, we got into the middle of that and we suffered at that exact time. Sid not hours before, not hours later or days before or days later at that exact time we were suffering the greatest natural disaster ever to hit America. And the other article is the man that initiated the peace process the Madrid peace process.  He had a after the…

Sid: President Bush Sr.

John: I refer to him as President Bush, Sr.  He had a 90% rating in the polls after Desert Storm. He initiated the Madrid Peace Process in October of 1991 about a year later his popularity had plummeted. The New York Times and the newspapers picked up that the exact time that the Madrid Peace Process came here he was collapsing in the polls and apparent he wasn’t going to be elected.  I personally believe, my personally believe that God removed him from office because of the Madrid Peace Process.

Sid: And look at the judgment this country had because he was removed look who became President. Oi!

John: Oh you can see His judgment upon judgment it’s like dominoes falling.

Sid: Hmm.

John: But there it is Sid you can see it you know when God does things it is not in page 8 in size 10 print and page 42 in size 6 print its front page national newspaper that goes all over the country the most influential paper probably right the New York Times and the Washington Post.  And probably you can look at the Washington Post and see the same thing. There it is right there the greatest natural disaster, the Madrid Peace Process meeting on our soil for the first time and the man that initiated the Madrid Peace Process collapsing in the polls.

Sid: Well you have 100’s of these examples. I’m curious within 24 hours there’s a horrible consequence to America have there been any exceptions? Have you found any major acts of anti-Israel by the US that hasn’t had a serious judgment?

John: Sid I can say this that every time Yasser Arafat has come here. Now over the covenant land there is one time he came he was invited to some religious meeting but every time he’s come every time Sid over the covenant land we’ve suffered a disaster that very day every single time. All documented in my book; we’ve had stock market crashes, we’ve had the worst week in the stock market in the NASDAQ was on that very day surrounding it. We’ve had massive tornadoes that have scooped up whole towns, hurricanes hitting on that day, incredible flooding. And then you’ll see headlines in the newspaper “President meeting with Arafat massive flooding in Texas; President declares Texas a disaster area” every time Sid.  And the Lewinski’s scandal one of the ugliest, nastiest scandals we ever had Yasser Arafat was literally waiting to meet with the President of the United States when that scandal broke in January there of 1998. And they had to postpone, they had to cut short Arafat’s meeting because the President was distracted with it trying to get a handle on the scandal.  He was literally meeting with Arafat when that scandal broke and then Sid in December the President to escape the impeachment pressure went to Israel he met with Arafat in Gaza at the exact time he was being impeached. The exact time the house gave the Articles of Impeachment the President was meeting with Arafat in Israel.  Isn’t that amazing?

Sid: You know Mishpochah it’s absolutely phenomenal within 24 hours every time the United States does something disastrous to Israel the United States suffers a consequence. What is reason spiritually that this is going on, give me a little bit from your thoughts?

John: Well Sid in Genesis 12 verse 3 the scriptures say speaking of Abraham now, God said “I will bless them that bless thee and I will curse them that curse thee and in thee all the families of the earth shall be blessed.  And that’s where the title of the book comes from “Israel the Blessing or the Curse.” And so what happens is when we bring Arafat here for example we are bringing judgment upon us literally. Because that man is a terrorist from the beginning; his whole desire he’ll say one thing in English but then when he’s talking to Muslims it’s the destruction of Israel. His whole goal seems to be the destruction of Israel to kill Jews. And when we bring that man on our soil the reaction from God is a hand of protection is lifted and awesome judgments hit.

Sid: You know one of my favorite scriptures that states the covenant promises that’s almost a summary is the 105 Psalm.  John why don’t you read Psalm 105 verse 8 – 11.

John: Okay Sid I have my Bible open to it.  “He hath remembered His covenant forever the word which he commanded to a thousand generations which covenant He made with Abraham in his oath to Isaac and confirmed his same unto Jacob for a law to Israel and a everlasting covenant saying unto thee I will give the land of Canaan the lot of your inheritance.” But it says it all doesn’t it Sid?

Sid: And I was jotting down as you were saying it number 1 it says that “Covenant having to do with the land of Israel goes to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.  For number 1: It’s everlasting, number 2: it’s forever and number 3: it’s for a thousand generations. I mean God says it 3 times in three different ways.

John: Exactly.

Sid: It’s got to be important.

John: Exactly Sid it’s so clear and the problem is the lack of teaching, unbelief, the church has not stood on the importance of this covenant. What’s important to God should be important to the church Sid.

Sid: You know we talk about Genesis 12:3 God says “I’ll bless those who bless the Jewish people and I’ll curse those that curse them.” We’ve been focusing on the cursing what would happen to the church, I mean the true church of the Messiah; what would happen to the true church if we hung tough for Israel and the covenant right for the Jewish people to have the land of Israel?

John: Well Sid I believe God would pour everything into the church that we would need to touch the heart of his physical seed Israel there would be an outpouring of the Holy Spirit, there would be like blessings and joy that the Jewish people would see and that they would want. I mean that’s what God has called the church, one of the things He has called the church to be is to be so full of the Messiah that we would make Israel jealous and they would see this and there would be financial blessing.  Everything would be just pour on us as we stood for His everlasting covenant.

Sid: You know I had this thought as everyone knows Argentina has gone through it economically and every way possible. And yet Argentina has the longest standing revival that is still currently going on in history of any country and the pastors are scratching their head. And they’re saying with all of this revival why has out dollar lost so much value? Why are we in such economic turmoil, why are we in such turmoil with revival?  And yet as many people know Argentina was a safe haven for the Nazis, a lot of the gold the Nazis took with them came from the teeth of the Jewish people that they murdered. And I believe that if there is a missing ingredient for the revival in Argentina it’s called Genesis 12:3. I mean if everything’s focusing in towards Israel and return of the Messiah to Israel and the return of the Jewish people to Israel and the glorious church coming on the scene that has to be the major ingredient that’s missing.

John: Sid as you mentioned it just sort of came out of this interview, the first thing that hit my mind when you said Argentina was like anti-Semitic you know supporting the Nazis that’s the first thing that kind of hits my mind. I don’t think of revival going there I think of that past and how Argentina was a safe haven for the Nazis and all of that. And so there is a Spirit there that has to be dealt with in Argentina.

Sid: I have to now balance things, what about the Palestinians; what about the fact that they claim that they own that land they have the right to that land they were pushed out of that. What about all of the violence going on; what should a Christians position be in reference to the Palestinians, I mean God loves the Palestinians as much as He loves the Jews and that’s a fact?

John: Well Sid the best the church has to do in this particular junction is to know some history.

Sid: Well you know we don’t have the time Mishpocah and I apologize and on tomorrow broadcast I’m going to ask John to teach from his knew book “Israel the Blessing or the Curse.”  Because the history will amazing you your not getting this from the press it’s totally opposite from what you’re getting from the press and I think it’ll help you understand what is really going on in the Middle East.