Sid Roth

Sid: I’m speaking to Igor Ashkinaszi at his home in Brooklyn, New York. He was born in Odessa, Ukraine in 1950.  In 1975 after becoming a star with the Muska Circus after winning championships in Odessa for acro-gymnastics he finally got out it wasn’t easy he went through all sorts of humiliation.  At that time it was very difficult for a Jewish person to go to Israel. He actually stopped off in Vienna he stayed there for a few months and instead of going to Israel his mother and grandparents went to the United States.  He didn’t speak any English he got kicked out of his first job I guess because he didn’t speak any English as a busboy. He finally got a job in New Orleans as an instructor in gymnastics but then with $150 you started the all American dream didn’t you Igor?

Igor: Yes I was looking at the Jewish Community Center and so then when my concert was over they asked if they could loan me $150 and with that I just bought paper, envelopes and a letter and it was sent I don’t know 500 people. And I started my first gymnastic school, acro-gymnastic school which became very popular very well to do. The school became…won first place in the nation, in fact 5 years in a row. I myself began to perform to brought myself back into shape to perform rather l United States National Championship.  In fact 4 years in the row was appointed to be a United States National 1^st honorary United States National Coach.

Sid: How well were you doing financially?

Igor: Financially in the beginning of course I started as a busboy and quickly was able to acquire a good some of money it was I had the school and had a lot of students. And enjoyed a very serious popularity in New Orleans everybody knew us everybody family wanted to be part because they started in school they wanted their child to take part in school. We had big shows every year.

Sid: I mean everything is going good why in the world would you try cocaine?

Igor: Well that’s that is that’s what we come to when we get everything we want in life.  That’s what I always wanted to be I wanted to become an American I wanted to be accepted here in the country and I was in New Orleans it’s a very social city and the cities divided by social groups and I was able to break through those social groups and was accepted as a New Orleanian as an American.  Many people came into me I received a lot of money I received everything all of the pleasures of the world.  I’d say that somebody wanted to investigate I did and but it didn’t satisfy me. I asked myself “You have everything you wanted again an athlete of recognition of 1^st place performing Johnny Carson, Mike Douglas, Merv Griffin Shows, I had my own show at the Superdome in New Orleans. And you know just making a lot of money having everything I’ve ever wanted but something was missing in my heart something was empty in my heart and I asked myself “What haven’t you yet tried.” And did one thing I didn’t try was drugs I never did drugs I drank I smoked like all Russians did, but I never had drugs. And a friend of mine had given me a drug simple marijuana and I tried it and very quickly I became addicted all kinds of drugs including cocaine, hallucination drugs, LSD at the time. I’m talking about 20 years ago I’m talking about more than 20 years and it was much easier to get and the fact that I had money now cash I had no property, I have no family I was by myself only me and my parents. My mother had already had a job at the New Orleans Dental School she is a dentist by a profession. So we were really established and I was using and began spending money on drugs and money began to go right through my hands until I couldn’t quit. I absolutely couldn’t quit.  And so it caused me a great embarrassment because I couldn’t quit I couldn’t work I couldn’t continue to work. So I left New Orleans and went to Los Angeles to live away from everybody and everything hoping that something would change something would break for me I would leave my environment. My business was left to my assistant and there it was left to my family I never returned to it. I don’t know what happened to it I don’t know what happened to it I took my cash and went to Los Angeles where it became worse and worse and worse until I fell into the deepest depression that I’ve ever experienced. I didn’t want to live anymore I was embarrassed ashamed and I could not break from it. And even if I would break from myself where would I go the place that I started that caused me to begin to use drugs because of the emptiness of my heart? And then I experienced what is the life? I came to this country to work hard to achieve some success and I had but what is to life I had it and it didn’t satisfy me what was the reason for life? And just about that time I met a German man that Bob York was in Los Angeles he was a big man in Hollywood and I respected him and he’s the first one that shared the gospel with me.  I did not like Germans ever since my parents were Holocaust survivors and some relatives died in the Holocaust and I didn’t like Germans at all and neither did my family.  But he showed me he first shared the gospel with me but he did not call me to Jesus he just simply told me about Jesus about the Jewishness of Jesus which I thought he was just joking of course. But he was a very nice man and he showed the great love toward Jewish people and that surprised me. And it caused me to think “Why does he really feel like he does love Jewish people?” And after that I had a television experience when I was a little bit drunk and sick and sat on my bed and tried to get away from that feeling of sickness and nauseation I turned television on it was 4:00 in the morning in Los Angeles and guess who was there a preacher was on television pointing his finger towards me literally saying “You are in bed drunk and sick.”  Now I did not know who that preacher was and I would never I didn’t even know that it was a Christian program.  I thought he just found me exactly where I was I was in bed sitting in bed drunk and was sick to my stomach. And caused me to listen to that program and he said that you “No one can help you you cannot help yourself.” And I could identify with that “Your parents cannot help you because you never even told them” and it was me again. And then “Your friends cannot help you because they are just like you.” And I felt that exactly felt same way truly were exactly like me.  “But I know somebody who can help you.”  But when I heard somebody I thought it was a doctor I pulled out a pen and wanted to write a name of a guy that was how absolute even I was at that point. And then I don’t remember a word he said until this day I was just waiting for the guys name but the next thing I remember he was crying and begging something people for something I don’t know what it was.  And he said “Repeat after me” and I repeated after him the sinner’s prayer on television. I don’t remember what I said I just remember “Repeat after me” and I remember I was looking for a guy somebody to help…it was Jimmy Swaggert actually and I didn’t know at that point and I just repeated the prayer it was 1982… oh 1981 and there was when I finished the prayer the tears started coming out of my eyes and I was surprised that it happened but I was glad that nobody was because I was embarrassed I was actually crying I didn’t know why I was crying. I switched television very quickly.

Sid: Was it unusual for you to cry?

Igor: That’s what I’m coming to yes. Yeah I never really cried unless somebody hit me in the nose I was embarrassed to cry I didn’t like to cry it would show certain weaknesses I felt. And suddenly I was crying real literally crying my eyes…and I found myself crying and I did not want to remember this experience. I just blotted it out of my mind and I said “It cannot happen I’m crying and it’s no good.”

Sid: Did you stay on drugs?

Igor: Huh? Yes nothing changed for 4 more months not a thing, but then 4 months later a friend of mine asked me to go with him to gamble in Vegas. And I thought well that would kind of keep my mind away from everything you know from the culture I was in from the group of people that I was with. A friend of mine who a group of people who I grew up together with from Russia and he said “Let’s go to Las Vegas.  And we went to gamble in Vegas I didn’t gamble much money we just simply moseyed around and you know just I felt my time…In Las Vegas I began to feel that I’m totally wasted completely my life is wasted.

Sid: Igor our time is up we’ll pick up right here on tomorrow’s broadcast.  Mishpochah you’re going to find out he got something in Las Vegas he never ever expected.

SID: You know, when I was a fairly new Jewish believer in the Messiah I didn’t know a whole lot. In fact, I did a national television show with a woman by the name of Kathryn Kuhlman and I hadn’t even read the New Testament. But I got, because it was so unusual for Jewish people to be believers in Jesus at that time that’s why I got that kind of acclaim. But I had a friend and I still have him today, he’s another Jewish believer. Some of you might have heard of him. He has a television show. His name is Rabbi Jonathan Bernis and Jonathan and I used to spend days praying in supernatural languages, praying in tongues, fasting. We had no idea what we were doing for lots of reasons, but I know today what we were doing. The organization I have today, two television networks throughout the world, I prayed that into existence by praying in supernatural languages and I didn’t even know what I was doing. And Jonathan did the same thing. He has an international organization all over the world and we birthed it by praying in supernatural languages. One day I got a phone call from Jonathan and he said, “Sid, God has told me to go to the former Soviet Union. The doors have just been opened.” And I said, “Boy, what a great idea.” And he said, “Let’s do a Jewish music festival.” Jews weren’t even allowed to live like Jews at that time, in the former Soviet Union. “And we’ll evangelize.” I said, “Sounds good.” So he invited me to be one of the speakers. Let me tell you what it was like then. You had to stand in line for groceries. The hotel rooms were so filthy and so filled with lice and mosquitoes, and things, that a lot of people, they couldn’t stay in a hotel room, so they moved their bed into the hallways. Glass in the borscht, in the soup. I mean, these were tough days. But Jonathan and I were involved in history. We saw, we rented an auditorium and we didn’t know if anyone would show up. It was jammed packed with Jewish people, standing room only. And then I’ve never seen this in my life, when we gave an invitation the Jewish people did not sheepishly come forward, they ran to come to know God. Anyone want to see actual video footage of that event?

 

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SID: If you do not know God.

 

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SID: This is your night in St. Petersburg.

 

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SID: I’m going to pray a prayer for you.

 

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SID: Right now.

 

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SID: And you will know God.

 

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SID: Not just know about him.

 

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SID: And you will know his son.

 

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SID: Yeshua.

 

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SID: The Messiah of Israel.

 

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SID: Get out of your seats right now in the balcony.

 

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SID: And come quickly up to the altar now.

 

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SID: And I will pray for you.

 

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SID: Quickly. Quickly, quickly. Show God how much you love him.

 

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SID: If you do not know God, you must come here!

 

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SID: I command you in the name of the Living God!

 

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SID: Quickly! Run down here. Run to God because God is running to you. I say run to the Living God now!

 

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SID: Quickly! We’re going to pray. Quickly!

 

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SID: Repeat after me.

 

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SID: I believe that Jesus died.

 

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SID: Was buried.

 

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SID: And rose from the dead.

 

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SID: His precious blood.

 

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SID: Washed away all of my sins.

 

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SID: I ask Jesus to come and live inside of me.

 

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SID: I make Jesus my Lord.

 

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SID: I am not ashamed of the Good News.

 

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SID: Thank you.

 

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SID: As unbelievable as that was I can tell you that even as I see it now it literally brings all those emotions back. But the doors closed, but I have good news. The doors are just open. When I come back we’ll tell you about it.

SID: So Ana, you’re just minding your own business and you look out, and you see floating in the air someone’s spinal cord. Explain that.

 

ANA: I was doing healing ministry and I saw this angel one time, walking, carrying a spinal cord. My dad is a chiropractor, so I know what a spinal cord looks like. And he had been carrying this spinal cord, and I thought, I want to follow that angel. So I said to my team, “Let’s go follow that angel. I think God is on something. He’s up to something.” So we followed the angel. Went to this lady who was sitting there, she was in a wheelchair, and we came to her and we said, “Hey, we’ve got great news. There is an angel here holding a spinal cord, standing right behind you. Can we pray for you?” So we went, we laid hands on her, she got healed.

 

SID: How long had she suffered?

 

ANA: Like more than 20 years. She had partial paralyzation in her body. There was an auto accident that happened, so she had to have a spinal, like it hit her neck, so it had partially paralyzed the left side of her body. And so as we prayed I could see the angels, like it was almost like transposing, I could see the spinal cord in his hand being placed over her spinal cord. And then I said, “Okay, let’s have you test it out. How do you feel?” And she said, she looked at me kind of reluctantly, like she’s been, you got to be kidding me, who are you to have me to do this stuff? “Just try. Come on, let’s just try.” She stood up and she’s like, I’ve been healed! I’ve been healed!

 

Woman: I’m healed! I’m healed! Thank you, Lord!

 

SID: Speaking of being healed, is God telling you about anyone being healed right now? Speak it out.

 

ANA: Yes. I just feel like that as I’ve been talking about spinal cords, there’s someone here who is listening to this, who needs their back healed. You’ve had an injury that’s been ongoing for years. You’ve probably gone to seek many help, much help from different doctors, and it just hasn’t released. And you’ve got, it’s like a pinched nerve that just shoots pain down your back. And the Lord is healing you right now. Even in this moment, the Lord is healing you and wants you completely set free. So in Jesus’ name, I just declare healing for your spine, from head to toe, that that pinched nerve will be completely healed right now. Thank you, Father.

 

SID: And get up and bend over. You’ll walk right into your healing. Now Ana, you had an image appear when you were preparing for this television show. Tell me about that image.

 

ANA: Yes. So the Lord took me up to Heaven and I was seated with Jesus up above in Heaven, and I could see myself with him. And we looked down, and he said, “Ana, extend your hand. Extend your hand.” And so I said, okay. So I reached my hand down and I could see people grabbing my hand, and I would just pull them up with me. I would just pull them up into Heaven. And so that’s what I love to do, is just train people, and I’m excited for people to get these encounters, too.

 

SID: I volunteer. How about you, anyone at home do what I’m doing? I mean, faith without corresponding action is dead. Would you pray for me and for everyone else right now.

 

ANA: Yes. In Jesus’ name, I just, God, we just love you. We love, this is all about you, God. We want to encounter you. We want intimacy with you, Jesus. It’s not about having a supernatural encounter just for a crazy experience, but God, it’s about getting to know you and having intimacy with you. So Father, right now, I just pray for just the ability to see in the Spirit just to be released right now to everyone in this room, to everyone that’s watching this or hearing this message, that you would be able to open, God, you would open all of our senses that we could see you with clarity, see your angels, see the heavenly things with clarity, Father. Come with your presence, God.

 

SID: When she talks about the love of Jesus, which she experienced in Heaven, people get healed. Get ready. Tell me about the love of Jesus from Heaven.

 

ANA: One day God, I had a real hard day with my daughter. And I said, Lord, would you just take me to Heaven, please. I need an encounter with you, God. So he took me to a room and God, sometimes it’s like the Lord will go with me in a room and then other times he won’t. So this room, I stood outside the door and I was with God, and I said, “Are you going in with me?” And he said no. And so I put my hand on the doorknob, and when I put my hand on the doorknob, the presence of God was so strong. Sometimes I’m allowed to go in the rooms and sometimes I’m not, and I can just see what’s on the other side of the door, and that was one of these encounters. The power of God was so strong, I could not go in the room, but I could see what was on the other side. So he showed me, and I saw, I could see Jesus on the cross. I don’t have the theology to explain that. I’m just telling you, Sid, what I saw. I could see him on the cross and it was the most beautiful, horrific sight I’ve ever seen because I could see him in his broken state with all the blood, with all the wounds, everything, his flesh torn back, I could see it. I turned to God and I said, “I want to go in there. I want to go in there with Jesus. Why can’t I go in?” And he said, “Ana, you don’t know my love.” And I got offended. I said, “What do you mean, I don’t know your love. This is Christianity 101. I know that you love me and I love you. What do you mean?” He said, “You don’t know my love like that.” And I was undone by that. At that point, I just let go and I just crumpled on the floor, and I was just crying and crying, and crying because it’s like I just realized how much of the Father’s love I still had yet to really understand and experience. And then Jesus then, after some time I cried and cried, and cried, Jesus came to me. He came and it was like he was off the cross. His body was healed in his glorified state. He came and he picked me up, and he held me, and he just rocked me back and forth, you know, like you rock your children, he just rocked me. And he said, “Ana, you don’t have to stay like this any longer.” And then out of nowhere I started laughing. I mean, it’s like, why would I laugh. I started laughing and he said, “There you go. There you go. In my presence there’s fullness of joy.” And I felt the joy of the Lord just being released. I mean, I felt so much joy in that moment and so much freedom. And so that’s the love of the Father. That’s the best.

 

SID: I pray that you have experiential knowledge of Jesus, that you have your own experience and experience the pure undefiled, holy love of the Father.

SID: Ana, how did you start developing this seer gift?

 

ANA: So when I was 22 and I started seeing, the Lord taught me some things to train in it. I would be very intentional. I’m very intentional every day to spend at least ten minutes a day, and now it’s more than that. But at first, ten minutes a day, and to ask the Lord to encounter me with just my senses, and I would pray always, Lord, open my senses to experience you. I would shut my eyes. The Lord would start showing me a picture. I would ask the Lord, show me a picture, either the Father, the Son, the Holy Spirit, whoever, to encounter me. Because sometimes the Lord would encounter me as God the Father or sometimes Jesus, or sometimes Holy Spirit would come, but encounter me. And I would see a picture, whether it be just, it started like footsteps. I’d just see footsteps and that was it. And then I’d say, and that was it, footsteps. Okay, what do I do with that. So I would write it down in my journal, and then I’d say, okay God, take me back there. The Lord would show me more. Next time it would be like I would be walking following the footsteps, and the next time I would feel the grass under my feet, and then the next time I’d smell the grass. So seers use all of their senses. It’s not just about sight. We can taste, we can hear, and then every time I would ask for more and more, and more, until it became going to Heaven and I’d get to experience and walk in Heaven with the Lord, and see things. And I’d always ask, can I come back, God, take me back.

 

SID: I asked you on the telephone, what was one of the most profound things that you observed when you were in Heaven, and you came right out with it: his eyes. Tell me about that.

 

ANA: There is nothing like the Father’s eyes. He’s taken me to Heaven and there’s times where I’ve gotten to just look right into his eyes and they’re alive. There’s so much, it’s so hard to describe what God’s eyes are like, but it’s like the sovereignty and power, and authority come through his eyes. You could see fire, but at the same time, they’re warm and gentle, and full of so much love. It’s like he would look at me, and all in my impurities, who am I, little Ana. But he would just look at me and just the amount of love that would come through those eyes, there’s just nothing like it.

 

SID: You pray for people often to be healed. Tell me about this woman that you must have had tremendous compassion for, 17 years of chronic pain and a lot of other stuff. What happened?

 

ANA: Recently, a lady came in to our healing rooms and she had 17 years of issues going on in her body, pain and autoimmune system problems, and chronic fatigue, and doctors just couldn’t pinpoint it, what was going on. They’d run her through test after test. So she comes in and she starts telling us her story, and on her body, as a seer, I could see. So on her body I could see little holes, looked like little wounds, and I could see them oozing. And so I said, “Would you mind if we could pray for any emotional wounds. I just feel that’s where the enemy might have his hand. He might be working over you, and that’s why maybe you’re sick. Is there anything going on?” And then our team got a bunch of words they heard from the Lord about certain things. And as we prayed for those she got healed. She got healed. As she got healed emotionally, we could see sickness come off of her. But as we prayed, one by one, one thing just melted off of her, and she got healed. It was amazing.

 

SID: Now when you got to Heaven, many times you’re taken to specific rooms. My producer said be sure to ask Ana about the mailer room. What is that?

 

ANA: I love the mailer room. One day God took me to Heaven and I walked into this room, and I could see, as far as my eyes, I could see shelves and I could see these little packages on the shelves, and it was like as high up as I could see and as far as I could see. And I could see angels, and it was a busy room. There’s just angels bustling all about the room and I could the Lord. I could see Jesus right in the center of the room, and I could see these angels go and look, and take a package, and tuck it in there, and then go [whoosh] down. And they get their instructions from Jesus. And then certain angels weren’t moving though, and like some of them were just standing still at the shelves and waiting. I asked Jesus, “What’s going on here in this room?” And he said, “These are my messengers and they’re bringing answers to my saint’s prayers and these ones are waiting for the prayers to be released.” So they’re waiting for people to pray and they are just waiting to bring that answer.

 

SID: So it’s a two-way relationship.

 

ANA: Yes.

 

SID: The angels respond to us asking. If we don’t ask, we don’t get. Sounds like Scripture.

 

ANA: Yes. It’s, my whole idea of that has been changed since that moment.

 

SID: Okay, this is what I know. There are some angels with packages from Heaven and they want to deliver it to you. You ask and you shall receive. We’ll be right back.

SID: I have Joan Gieson here and many of you might recognize her. If you’ve ever seen Benny Hinn on television and you’ve seen a woman with a microphone and she says, “Pastor Benny, this person has just been healed of this!” That’s Joan Gieson. But there’s something you don’t know. She is affectionately called the Miracle Woman. She walks around and sees the presence of God on someone and knows a miracle is ready to take place. Joan, it’s hard to believe, but there was a point, you have two small children, you’re married and all of a sudden you’re blind and all of a sudden the doctors say you’re not going to live, you’re going to die. Tell me about that time.

JOAN G: That makes me cry when you even say that, and it’s been so long ago. We got married, an Italian with a big wedding. It was a perfect wedding and it was a little bit later that I conceived of our first child, and he was born and he was beautiful. We named him Michael and he was the apple of our eye, and he was good, and he grew up a little bit. He was about two years old and one day I stooped over to pick up something he had dropped and when I straightened back up I couldn’t see. I had gone blind. Well literally it scared the bajiggers out of me.

SID: I’m sure.

JOAN G: Within the next two weeks I saw probably 15 doctors and they found hemorrhages behind both eyes and the optic nerve was swollen into the brain. And they didn’t know what the cause was, what would happen, how it would work, but the rest of my body is deteriorating while all that is happening. One day I am a productive wife and a mother and the next day I can’t see and can’t do the housework. Four years it went like that. Four years and now it was time for Michael to go to school. First day in school he helped me on the bus and I sat outside the room of the school, the room that he went in, in the hall. The teacher came out in the room that Michael was in and said, “Joan, Michael is sick. You’re going to have to take him home.” I said, “Judy, I don’t see. I don’t drive. I can’t do that.” And with that the lady that I had seen in my spirit was at my side and said, “I heard what you said. I’ll be glad to take you home.” On the way home that lady led me to Jesus and it was the first time.

SID: You get born again and you only know the term because she uses it.

JOAN G: That’s exactly right.

SID: And you tell your husband. He thinks you’re a little, I’ll use a Hebrew word even though you’re Italian, he thinks you’re a bisha meshuga, a little crazy.

JOAN G: In Italian it’s basa.

SID: Same thing. Okay. And you heard a voice. What did that voice say on the radio?

JOAN G: Well that was a few days later. I’m sitting at the table and I’m waiting for my Michael to come home on the bus. And all of a sudden I hear this voice say, “Hello there. Have you been waiting for me?” Well that wasn’t a Lutheran voice. It scared the bajiggers out of me. I quickly turned the radio off. Second day I heard the same voice: “Hello there.” Boy, I turned that thing off. And the third day I didn’t hear that. I heard a woman say, “I was so ill the doctors said I was going to die and all I did was lift my hands and God healed me in that service.” Well I listened until the program. It said, “This is coming to you from the Kathryn Kuhlman Foundation in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. I called Frank and I said, “Frank, get home. Jesus right now is in Pittsburgh healing people!”

SID: Don’t say that when I’m drinking.

JOAN G: Well I did. I did. Well the courtyard of that First Presbyterian Church in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania was full. When the doors opened everyone just pushed us. We weren’t accustomed to anything like that. Nobody ever sat on the front seat of our Lutheran church. Nobody sat on the middle seat.

SID: No one wanted to.

JOAN G: No. And now they’re pushing us in. And we get in and we sit there, and I’m seeing Frank. “Frank, there’s a light on my head. Tell them turn off the light.” Oh my gosh.

SID: You’re blind.

JOAN G: I’m blind.

SID: You see light on your head.

JOAN G: I am lit up like a Christmas tree. I can feel that. “Frank, there’s a light on my head.” “No honey, open your eyes. There’s no light on your head.” “Frank, tell them to turn the light off.” “Please Joan, you’re scaring me. There is no light on your head.” And when I opened my eyes, sir, I could see all the way to the altar. I could see the stained glass windows. I could see the multitude of people and I was in the 53rd row and I could see everything. I said, “Frank, I could see!” He said, “No you can’t.” I said, “What?” I mean, we’re totally displaced. We knew nothing of this territory. “Frank, I can. I can see!” “No you can’t. Stop it, Joan.” And I said, “Frank, I can see that you’ve got a blue shirt on. You’ve got a grey…” “You can see.” “Yes. This is what we’ve come for.” And on the way home in the car I said, “Frank, I am going to go home and get every sick person I know. We’re going to charter a bus or a truck, or a car, or how many ever come with us and we’re going to take them to another miracle service.”

SID: How many years did you assist Miss Kuhlman?

JOAN G: Nine and half years until the day she went home to be with Jesus. And Gene Martin, which was her manager, called us and said, from the hospital, he said, “I am in the hospital with Miss Kuhlman and she said, Joan, get prepared because yours is the next service that she’s going to have in St. Louis.” What a thrill.

SID: I tell you this. Your miracle is in the bank!

SID: Okay. At the set now is Dr. Clarice Fluitt. She would have died without God touching your life. What was wrong with you?

CLARICE: Had tuberculosis and I had asthma, and just about every kind of allergic condition that you could have. And I read about this woman Kathryn Kuhlman. She was going to the full Gospel meeting in Dallas. This is 1971, September. And I said to my husband, I said, “Honey, there is this woman that prays for the sick,” and I said, “it’s just amazing what happens.” He says, “Sweetheart, I don’t want to disappointment, but God doesn’t use women.” That which he feared has come upon him. But he said, “Because I love you I’ll take you.” But he says, “This is all, you know, psychological and money-making.” And he was very doubting, very dubious. But we went there. And so there’s this woman named Maggie and she passes by, and she looks at me, and she said, “The Spirit of God is on you and you’re being healed.” Well she scared me so bad. The only person that I knew that was scarier than her was Kathryn Kuhlman. She comes out and she’s got this little red fuzzy hair, and she goes, “Have you been waiting long?” I lost George wherever he was. And so she’s just doing what she’s doing. Holy Spirit! And my husband told me, he says, “I don’t want anybody that’s dramatic.” Look what he got. I mean, so when Maggie came and said, “You’re being healed,” I said, “No, there’s nothing wrong.” Not only was I sick, I was lying on top of it. I went because I was not, I was so desirous to be healed. By this time Kathryn Kuhlman said, “Oh,” she said, “there’s a woman.” And her finger looked like it went out 5000 feet long. And she says, “And she’s so stubborn. It will take a sign.” And it was like somebody zipped off my head and poured hot oil in it. And then I started doing the St. Vitus dance over here.

SID: Was that a norm for you?

CLARICE: Not for me. I was very dignified. But I lost my dignity and got my deliverance. But she calls and so Maggie comes back, and I’m sitting here doing this, and she said, “Are you going to go up and claim your healing?” And I thought well the next thing isn’t going to kill me. I’m going up. Somebody has a buzzer. I went up and Kathryn Kuhlman turned around and she looked at me, and she said, “O dear Jesus.” And she put both hands on me. She says, “O dear Jesus, everything I have I give it to her.” Well I had no idea what she was saying, but I did know this that some force picked me up and threw me 15 feet across the room and I landed under Dino’s piano.

SID: On the piano?

Clarice; Under it. Under it. Sweetest place in the world. While I was under there, well at the end of it my husband comes up and he says, “What happened to you?” And I said, “I don’t know.” And so it was right after that, we’re walking through the melee of people, thousands of people getting in and out, and we got on the elevator immediately after.

SID: But were you healed at that moment?

CLARICE: Instantly. Instantly. That was 1971 and I’ve never had asthma. I’ve never had, all the allergies left. Everything left. No TB, not even TB scars. They were gone. Yay, God! Yay, God!

SID: I agree. It wasn’t Kathryn Kuhlman, it was the Messiah of Israel operating through her.

CLARICE: I mean, we got on the elevator and there were about maybe 12 people on the elevator, and when I walked in everybody passed out. And my husband said, “What did you do?” And I said, “I don’t know.” So he says, “Well you have to take the stairs.” So we’re walking down the stairs and people are plop, plop, plop, plop, plop. And for six months everywhere I went, the grocery store, the drug store, any time you’d get within three feet of people they’d be slain in the Spirit. Now I didn’t know.

SID: Did your husband just keep you in a closet, locked up?

CLARICE: He said I’ve got to hide you away. Something has happened. See, we did not know. When she said everything I’m carrying has been imparted to you, Paul says, “I long to be with you that I can impart you in spiritual blessing that will equip you to the end.”

SID: You’re telling me last time you were on our television show something so supernatural, someone called you, but they couldn’t have your number. They couldn’t have your husband’s cell number. It’s not listed. How did they get to you?

CLARICE: All right, this is what happened. After being with you I had to hire somebody to answer my phone. I mean, people, they were calling from Mars.

SID: There’s an unemployment problem in America.

CLARICE: I’m telling you.

SID: Every little bit helps.

CLARICE: All over the world, I had this lady call and she was telling me that her son was dying and had a heart disease, and we would just sent out cloths and do things like that. They’d call right back within a week and said the child was completely healed. The doctor has given a complete report, very serious death sentence, and that child, but this is the humor of God. God has an incredible sense of humor and this is what happened. This woman called and she said to my secretary that was answering the phone and said, “I want to talk to that woman.” And she said, “I saw her on Sid Roth and she does miracles and I want to talk to her.” And my associate said, “She’s not available. She’s in a meeting right now.” And you talk about importunity. About 15 minutes went by and she called again. She said, “Is she out of that meeting yet?” And she said, “No, she’s not out of the meeting.” And she says, “Well you need to go get her out.” She said, “This is serious. I need her now.” So they came and they said, “There’s this woman that’s really persistent.” I said, well, I mean, we had calls everywhere, Sid, and I’m trying my best to say which ones you’re supposed to go to. So I have my office in my home and I went into a den, and I sat down, and my husband’s cell phone was sitting here next to me, and it rang, and I saw this is one of the kids. We have five children. And I picked the phone up and this woman said, “Is that you?” I said, “Yes.” I said, “How did you get this number?” And she said, “I prayed and God said call this number.” So I said, what are you going to do? I’m going to take the call. I’m going to take the call…

SID: My next guest, Joan Gieson, Joan is affectionately called the Miracle Lady because she pulls people out of wheelchairs. That’s a passion. Anyone hurting. Talk about an anointing. And you know what we’re going to have? A miracle explosion.

 

SID: Hello. Sid Roth here. Welcome to my world where it’s naturally supernatural. Welcome to miracle explosion. Why do I say miracle explosion? Because I have three people that operate in the gift of miracles and anyone by themselves would have been enough. But when you put these three together one could put a thousand to flee, but two can put 10,000 to flee. What can three people that operate in miracles do? Here’s what I know. We’re going to have more miracles than we’ve ever had in the history of our ministry. You know, I’ll tell you, this is one of the best audiences we have ever had. Are you ready for a miracle explosion? I can’t think of a better guest to have for miracle explosion than Joan Hunter. And but my staff, they’re smart, they looked up the word “explosion,” Joan, in the dictionary. Listen to this definition. Remember, it’s a miracle explosion. The dictionary defines “explosion” as the sudden, boy do I like that word, the sudden loud or violent release of energy or power that happens when something breaks loose. I tell you something is gonna break loose here. Joan, are you as convinced as me?

JOAN H: Yes.

SID: Now some people don’t know you that well. I know you well. We’ve interviewed you a number of times and I’ve interviewed your parents. And I don’t know anyone else that has had so many miracles worldwide as the Happy Hunters. But you are building on their legacy. But you told me that things are even getting stronger in the miraculous for you. For instance, tell me a few things that have happened recently.

JOAN H: Well I love praying for people with fibromyalgia. I love praying for people.

SID: There’s no cure for that. What do you mean fibromyalgia?

JOAN H: In the natural there’s no cure, but with God there is. And there’s no cure for people that have gone through hell, people that have been diagnosed with PTSD. There is no cure for bipolar schizophrenia.

SID: Do many people with fibromyalgia get healed through the power of God that you’ve witnessed with your very eyes?

JOAN H: I don’t deal with the fibromyalgia first. I deal with what opened the door to fibromyalgia.

SID: But God showed you a key that I don’t think too many people understand. The healing, that I believe, is what has stopped you from being healing already. And Joan is going to release it now.

JOAN H: And this is an incredible revelation that God has given me years ago, because when I went through the hell, my own personal hell in my life and I had to deal with divorce, breast cancer, financial ruins and the whole bit, really all the same week, that and then I go and I get diagnosed with breast cancer, and I’m like dying on the inside. You care less about the breast cancer and but I was dying on the inside, and I had to go for after God’s heart. Counselors said you’ll never get well. Everybody I went to, nobody said, nobody gave me any hope but the Word of God. And so I went in there and I said, “God, what is it in here that has triggered the breast cancer?” And so when I got my heart healed of the trauma that I had gone through, betrayal, abandonment, worry with a capital “W,” okay, and all that, when I got my heart healed the breast cancer went away. And so when I, and I teach people how to starve their sicknesses to death because this is so important. Jesus has come to heal. He’s come to heal not just your heart, not just your body, but your body, mind, soul, spirit and finances. God wants you healed. We’ve all been traumatized in some form or fashion through life, through birth, through just different situations and that stronghold can hold onto the sickness. So I’m going to pray for you to get free of any kind of trauma. And you think, it can’t be that easy. It’s 35 years ago. It can’t be that easy. Well first of all, close your mouth and say, yes it can be that easy.

SID: How can I do that with my mouth closed?

JOAN H: Yes. And so Father, right now in the name of Jesus, I send the word of healing as there are so many people watching right this moment who have been traumatized, who have had their heart hurt, who have had their bodies hurt, and they get better. They get better. They get better but not whole. Father, in the name of Jesus, remove all the trauma in their heart, all the trauma. I’m sensing even trauma to the lungs like being pushed like that, all the trauma in the chest area. And Father, right now in the name of Jesus, all the trauma in the necks, down the spine, command all of that to go, all the pain to go, all the cellular memory of it to go. And Father, I speak complete supernatural freedom. Any damage that stress has caused in their life, throughout their body, digestive system, I speak complete health and wholeness, resurrection to some of your body parts that have quit, in particular the kidneys. They’re just kind of shutting down. I speak resurrection life into those kidneys, into those hearts, the physical hearts, to rise and be brand new in Jesus’ name. Hallelujah. Glory to God. Woo-hoo!

SID: Real quick, you have a favorite scripture in teaching called Hidden Treasures of Healing.

JOAN H: I believe God for some hidden treasures, any lost whatevers: lost finances, lost ideas, lost family members, whatever, and Father bring it to me. So I get a letter in the mail and it says you don’t owe any money on your building in downtown Houston. No joke. I mean, hello, I don’t own a building in downtown Houston. So I thought, well they didn’t ask me for any money. So I sent a certified letter to find out what was going on. Come to find out my dad left me two percent in a building in downtown Houston. So when that sells I’m going to be a millionaire. Glory to God and, yes, It’s Supernatural is going to get a blessing, too.

SID: Oh good. Let me tell you about this woman that’s coming up next. Clarice was healed in a Kathryn Kuhlman meeting. A few days later, not realizing it, she goes into an elevator and everyone in the elevator falls out under the power of God. We’re going to be right back.

Sid: This week I’m featuring a special book called “The Wigglesworth Standard” based on the life and unpublished messages on Smith Wigglesworth. And a lot of people aren’t aware of it but Smith Wigglesworth had one of the greatest miracles ministries in modern times. He prayed for deaf were able to hear and cancers cured, legs and feet creatively formed all he had was stumps previously. He healed the violently insane, 14 people were raised from the dead and those are just a few of the miracles.  So I want to read on the book it’s called “An Urgent Telegram” from the book “The Wigglesworth Standard.”

During the early years of Wigglesworth ministry he received a desperate telegram from a family in a town some 200 miles away pleading with him to come and pray for a young woman.  Without hesitation Wigglesworth traveled the distance as quickly as possible. Upon his arrival Wigglesworth discovered that the young lady had become a raging demoniac. Her parent and husband were distraught with the situation they couldn’t even bring the baby to her for fear of harm that she might do to herself or to the infant.

The family led Wigglesworth on the staircase to the room where the young mother was on the floor being held down by 5 men. Even though she was physically very frail the evil power that controlled her was more than a match for all 5. As Wigglesworth entered the room the evil spirit possessed her snarled out of her eyes and snarled at him “We are many you can’t cast us out.” With complete calm Wigglesworth firmly stated “Jesus can greater is He that is in me than he that is in the world.”  “She’s ours we won’t give her up.”  The demoniac voices growled repeatedly with hideously laughter. 

Undaunted Wigglesworth commanded “Be quiet in the name of Jesus come out of her you foul spirits.”  With a shriek and one last attempt to retain the grasp on the young woman 37 different demonic spirits came out of her giving their names as they exited. At the authority of the name of Jesus the demons had to relinquish their territory and the woman was totally delivered. 

The fragile exhausted wife was tenderly bathed and put to bed by her very grateful husband. She slept for 14 hours while her family rejoiced at the power and love of a loving God.  The next morning a beautiful young lady nursed the baby and then joined her husband then Wigglesworth in celebration at what the Lord had done.  As they ate together they gave thanks that the Lord had spared no expense to send his servant Smith Wigglesworth on such an errand of mercy.

And I’m reading from the book “Wigglesworth Standard” which is based on 37 unpublished manuscripts the life of Wigglesworth in the author Peter Madden teaches from each of these unpublished manuscripts the principles that Wigglesworth observed to walk in the awesome power.  And Wigglesworth believed that this generation that we’re living in right now would see creative miracles would see demons cast out.  Would see the same works that Jesus did and even greater and I believe that this book is going to be the standard for us to learn and do and walk and do and walk as Jesus walked….the books called “The Wigglesworth Standard.”  My guest this week Ira Kellman a Jewish man that is red hot for Jesus. He worked for MGM as a Junior Executive viewing 300 movies a year. He was a real jet setter, and pill popper and all different types of drugs.  His career was his God and one day he’s watching Samson and Delilah and the Spirit of God literally shows up and 16 months later he has an experience with Jesus.  And a few weeks after that the Holy Spirit began teaching Ira what He wanted Ira to do and He told Ira that He would be a prophet evangelist. What did you think when God told you that Ira?

Ira: I didn’t know what an evangelist was (Laughing). I never heard the word evangelist before.

Sid: Well we Jewish people that’s not common vernacular.

Ira: I know and I grew up in a Jewish Catholic neighborhood I had a lot of Catholic friends and they talked about the nuns and I talked about the rabbi’s and I never talked about the name evangelist. And prophet I didn’t really know I knew that the terminology that Moses was a prophet but I didn’t know what it really meant and I didn’t really  hear from God to really prophesy I never really thought about that. But what happened to me was when I got saved God appeared to me in a vision and you know that God is all glory and I just saw you know clouds of glory and this voice spoke to my heart and said “I’ve called you to be a prophet evangelist and I’m going to send you around the world and you’re going to go before kings and queens and everywhere you go there’s going to be healings and miracles. And He told me these other things too and I said “God I know that You’re talking to me about what’s an evangelist, what’s a healing, what’s a miracle?” And I said Lord I know that You’re talking but I don’t understand it but that’s okay I asked you to lead me guide me show me I want to do what You want me to do but use me, show me, lead me, teach me.” And that was my simple prayer.  You know just like my simple prayer Jehovah God if Jesus is Your Son give me this understanding this revelation.  Just simple prayers you know God answers just simple prayers.  And so that’s what I’ve been doing for the last you know 30 years.

Sid: Ira how did you Jewish family react?

Ira: Ah my mother went crazy I came home and said (shouting) “Monga, dad, Jesus wants to say that He loves you.”

Sid: (Laughing)

Ira:  She started yelling and screaming “Don’t talk to me about that name if you want to go live with the monks go live with the monks stop talking about Jesus!” And you know she never heard about Jesus it was just her reacting in fear of something strange.  Here she knew I was on drugs, I go away about for about a year and I come home and I’m talking about Jesus.  What happened to my son he went crazy on drugs or something (Laughing).

Sid: So now you’re a prophet evangelist except you’re not too sure what that is; you’re preaching to your parents they’re very unhappy over this I think they loved you better on drugs.  And what happened next?

Ira: Well they understood me on drugs but just can’t with Jesus. Well you know she was always yelling and screaming every time I talked about Jesus and then I was…the Lord said to me “Go and preach in Central Park.” And I said “Okay I’ll go do it but I’m only 4 months old saved Sid.”  And I said “Lord I said ‘If I needed a Bible I know these people need Bibles but I can’t buy everybody a Bible and said to me in my heart a still small voice Go to the America Bible Society.’”  I went to “The America Bible Society” and they led me to different departments and the guy said “Well I just got saved and…

Sid: Ira out of curiosity had you ever heard of such a thing The America Bible Society?”

Ira: No!

Sid: That’s what I thought.

Ira: No I’m running around New York with…go to Cinemas go to Premiers with the big lights with Movie Stars and big directors and I’m on big dinners from these people.  I’m taking drugs running around with rock stars and all I can think about is music stores and movie theaters and not “The America Bible Society.”

Sid: So you went to the Society.

Ira:  And the guy says to me “What do you want?” And I say I’m Jewish and God just saved me and I want to tell people about Jesus and I want to give people Bibles so I want everything you have for free I’m Jewish. And he says to me “I’ll give you anything you want and he starts giving me the 4 gospels “Good news for Man” and all of the other literature they have. And you know they had Knapsack and the shopping bags full of gospel literature. And he said “Any time you want anything I’ll give you everything for free.  And that’s how I sort of started my preaching ministry.

Sid: Tell me one experience in Central Park preaching.

Ira: Well you know you have to realize I had to really pray for boldness because I’ll tell you a little story. When I was in high school I got up in front of the class and they wanted to know who you are when you start in September and what you did for the summer. And everybody’s shaking knees and knocking all over the place and I looked around at everybody and I fainted.

Sid: But you’re so bold now I don’t understand that doesn’t sound like the man I know now Ira.

Ira: Well that’s what Jesus does for you. When I was about to start you know doing what God wanted me to do and take these pockets I need boldness I need courage. I said “I need You to fill my mouth and give me wisdom and just help me.” And that’s what He does. And little did I know Sid that there is a scripture in the Bible that says open your mouth wide and I’ll fill it you know. And so I started telling people about Jesus and a lot of backsliders started coming back to the Lord and I started praying for people.

Sid: Well what did you do did you just stood on a bench and started preaching?

Ira: Exactly.

Sid: My goodness it’s a good thing you weren’t too educated you were doing what the Bible says to do.  The more educated you get the less you do that the more sophisticated you get the less you do. That childlike faith is pretty good Ira.

Ira: We need that childlike faith. You know we have to be uninhibited for the Lord and we also have to be fools for the Lord. And I have to tell you this I used to go to Central Park with my friends and a lot of other people and we used to hang out at the fountain there right by the little lake and take drugs and LSD and pick up woman and everything.  Our time in Central Park was on drugs and you know getting high on marijuana. And here it is I used to be weird and strange and now I’m peculiar and God sends you back to Central Park and as a peculiar person in Him preaching the word.

Sid: God confounds the wisdom of the wise. Did people come to the Lord?

Ira: A lot of people came to the Lord a lot of people started getting healed.  People were crying…

Sid: Tell me about 1 person that got healed.  How did you even know how to pray for someone?

Ira: See after I got saved I moved into a Christian commune it was a community in upstate New York and then that’s when I finally got a New Testament and they believe in healing and I was learning things there and it started learning different things.

Sid: What was the first person you prayed for that got healed?

Ira: Well you’re going to love this.  I prayed for a friend of mine she had a bone blocking her breathing all of her life and I said “Let me pray for you.” And I put my finger on her nose and I felt the bone move and the breathing open.

Sid: If you were a fanatic before imagine how you were after that.

Ira: I tell you what I go “Wow Lord” and she goes “Wow I can breathe! I can breathe!” And you know before she was talking real strange and the breathing comes forth and everyone around her that knew her while she’s breathing and she’s talking right and everything is wonderful.  You get so excited when God does something. And so even today I’m so big on testimonies you know to hear peoples’ testimonies on miracles or creative miracles and…

Sid: Did you ever in your wildest imagination pray for someone dead and they would come back to life?

Ira: No, no!

Sid: I’ll tell you what let’s hold that for tomorrows broadcast.

Sid: My guest I’ll introduce you to in a moment if any one’s ever been red hot for Jesus it’s him. Because he got hit with a 125 million volts of electricity he literally got struck down with lightning we’ll get to that in a moment.  Probably the most red hot man I’ve ever heard of is a man by the name of Smith Wigglesworth. I mean among other things there are at least 14 verified cases of people being dead that were raised from the dead under his ministry. And I have a brand new book and this book is based on 37 unpublished manuscripts but there are a couple testimonies I want to read to you so you get a feel for the potential within all of us. And Wigglesworth prophesied that there was a generation coming up of people that will be walking in this miraculous power and based on other prophesies that he’s had I believe the generation that he’s talking about is right now.  Listen:

While staying in a home of a pastor of a church of England Wigglesworth and the pastor were sitting together talking after supper. No doubt the subject of the conversation was that the fellow had no legs. And artificial limbs in those days were unlike the sophisticated limbs of today. Wigglesworth said to the man suddenly which he often did with cases like this “Go and get a pair of new shoes in the morning.” (How would you like to be the man and a prophet says to you, you have no legs and a prophet says to you “Go get a new pair of new shoes in the morning”). 

Well the fellow thought it was some kind of a joke, however after Wigglesworth and the pastor had retired to the respective rooms for the night God said to the pastor “Do as my servant had said.” There was no more sleep for the man that night he rose up early went downtown and stood awaiting for the shoe shop to open. The manager eventually arrived and opened the shop for business. The pastor went in sat down presently. The assistant came in and said “Good morning Sir can I help you?”  The man said “Yes would you get me a pair of shoes please.”  “Yes sir size and color.” The pastor hesitated the assistant saw his condition and said “Sorry Sir we can’t help you.”  “It’s alright young man but I do want a pair of shoes size 8 color black.” This is the way to get the requested shoes.  A few minutes later he returned and handed them to the man. The man put one stump into a shoe and instantly a foot and a leg formed and then the same thing happened with the other leg. He walked out of that shop and not only with a new pair of shoes but also with a new pair of legs. Wigglesworth was not surprised he expected the result.  He had often made remarks like this as far as God is concerned there is no difference in forming a limb and healing a broken bone. 

Well this book reveals secrets from Wigglesworth a generation that will see creative miracles like this. And I believe that’s you and that’s I and that is Ira Kellman. Ira is a Jewish believer in Jesus he comes from a reformed Jewish background and he really had a good job he was a junior executive with MGM.  His job was reviewing movies a year and now he was a jetsetter type and what was life like Ira?

Ira: Well I was taking a lot of drugs and marijuana, LSD you know and pills all sorts of pills running around with Movie Stars and rock stars and at world premieres you know traveling to Europe and thought you were having a lot of fun. And just now living the so to say the highlife there and the jet set scene life.

Sid: What was your religious background?

Ira: Well I grew up in a Jewish reformed home but when I got Bar Mitzvah Sid I gave my Bible to my mother. I never read the Bible never talked about God and never went back to synagogue, never went back to temple. I didn’t know anybody that knew God so I was totally out there without knowing anything.

Sid: Now one night and things weren’t going so terrific even the drug seemed to be getting you high and fulfilling anymore. And one night you were watching…why were you watching Samson and Delilah?

Ira: Oh I love the Old Testament movies and I love the Ten Commandments and I still love the Ten Commandments with Charlton Heston I still love Samson and Delilah. I just had this thing in me for Old Testament movies, also I love movies. So I’m watching Samson and Delilah and I decided not to go to the disco tech that night and spend the night with my friends and taking drugs and I was getting really disillusioned with drugs and this and that. And I knew a lot of people a lot of wealthy people, a lot of famous people but nobody was happy you know. And while I was watching this movie I start thinking about the story rabbis were telling me while I was in Hebrew school.  And I said why am I thinking about those stories now? And Samson was tied up with the Philistines and they were taking him to their city and they was mock and scourge him and kill him they fought.  When it come to the rest of the Valley of Lehigh and Sampson prayed to God of Abraham and Jacob and the cords just break off of him and he starts killing 1000 men. Well by God’s grace God and I didn’t know it was God’s grace God’s power His presence came into my bedroom and the whole room was full of power and I didn’t understand.

Sid: Had you ever experienced anything like that before?

Ira: No I’d never never.

Sid: Help me understand, what do you mean the whole room was full of power explain?

Ira: Well when I walk in the room I could feel power all over the place like I move my hands around in the air I can feel it. You know I can feel it it’s like it’s thick.

Sid: Hm.

Ira: And there was a very unusual experience.

Sid: Were you afraid? We’re you what was going on inside of you?

Ira: Well there was a little fear going on because I never experienced anything.  But I wasn’t too afraid I knew I wouldn’t get harmed.  I was bewildered I believe that’s probably the best word I could use I was bewildered.  But I ran upstairs I got my Bible and my mother said “What do you want your Bible for?”  I said “Never mind.” And I kept on this and I gave it to her and I never read it again and she doesn’t read it and my father doesn’t read it I didn’t know any Jewish people that read the Bible.

Sid: So why did you want to read it all of a sudden?

Ira: Excuse me?

Sid: Why did you want to read it all of a sudden?

Ira: Well when this thing happened this presence came into my bedroom it just came into my heart “Go get your Bible.” And sometimes you do things you don’t know why you’re doing it.

Sid: Okay so you get your Bible what happened next?

Ira: And I go downstairs and I open my Bible and I don’t know whose what in there I don’t know any books I don’t know anything (Laughing). And I open my Bible and say “God I don’t know if You are but if You are I’m going to find You.” Well how do you find God? I don’t know how to find God. And I started reading the Psalms and started reading different stories in Genesis and after many many months and finding many truths in the scriptures I came to believe and I put my faith in the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob I believed that He was real.

Sid: But before that you were in between the Samson and the Delilah and the presence of the Lord come into the room and you started to read the Old Testament you had a few amazing supernatural things happen tell me about them.

Ira: Well one day I was living on a farm in Upstate New York and I went outside early in the morning and I went out to talk to the Lord. All of a sudden I just heard the whole heavens play to as an orchestra.  And it was even light yet it was still dark and the stars were just you know shining bring all over the place. And I thought “Wow that is really neat” and it just played for a couple of minutes I guess it was just totally amazing. And I believe God was trying to bring me closer to Him and show me more of His majesty and more of His power and more of His glory. And I don’t understand I don’t know anything about the supernatural but that was supernatural and God gave me another supernatural experience there.  And I was listening to different radio shows and then I was hearing about Jesus and right before I was about to get saved I felt this power trying to strangle me and all I could say was “Jesus!” And I was sleeping and it was a gray, gray, gray day out and all of a sudden this beam of light went through this cloud went through the window and I saw this beam of light went through my heart. And had total peace and that feeling that strangulation that force stopped doing what it wanted to do to me.

Sid: So you really linked that there was power in the name of Jesus.

Ira: And I didn’t even know it all I could do is yell out Jesus because I’m hearing about Jesus on the radio and I don’t even know anything. I’m not saved yet I don’t even have faith about Jesus. But listening and having a hungry heart and listening for weeks and months hearing about Jesus and sometimes it just come out of my heart. Sometimes words just come out of us supernaturally you know saved and not saved and by God’s grace He gives us words, He gives us situations in our lives to protect us to lead us to guide us you know.

Sid: And so a little over a year goes by almost a year and half in 1971and what was the circumstance that caused you to cross over that line and say “I believe that Jesus is the Jewish Messiah?”

Ira: Well I was listening to different radio shows and I didn’t know should I say New Testament terminology and I said to God but I believe that God is form me.  And I said “God my mother knows me as her son and if Jesus is Your Son like all of these people that I don’t know who they are they are talking on the radio. I didn’t know who they are but if Jesus is You Son give me this revelation, give me this understanding I want to know that Jesus is Your Son the Messiah the Savior of the world.”  Just a simple question we don’t have to get deep and complex with God He’ll answer the simple things and then He’ll show us the profound.  And so a couple of days later I was with somebody who was…I was listening to somebody between 12 and 12:30 at night and I had my Bible out the Old Testament and I was just reading in Genesis and all of a sudden this light went on in me you know this realization “Oh my God Jesus is the Messiah!”  And the man gave the alter call over the radio and Sid I was born again over the radio through somebody’s prayer for me to receive the Messiah over the radio.

Sid: Ira we’re out of time but I believe over the radio people are going to receive the Messiah this week and they are going to walk into that same manifest presence of God they’re going to go into.  It’s literally going to go right out of your radio this week.

Sid: We want everyone everywhere to be healed to be whole.  And I don’t know a better person to be talking about that than my guest the Director of Whole Life Ministries in Augusta, Georgia Sandra Kennedy. And on yesterday’s broadcast Sandra we were talking about the book that we’re making available this week “Preparation for a move of God” which God told you to write.  Tell me about the move of God that’s coming on planet earth.

Sandra: I believe Sid that we are absolutely sitting on just the very edge of a tremendous outpouring of the presence of God and I believe that people need to get ready for it.  I believe that you need to check yourself out so to speak.  You know I asked the question if Jesus is the Son of God and if He is how does it affect your life?  In other words if Jesus really is the Son of God and you have accepted Him as your Lord and Savior has it affected your life in such an extent that anybody watching or seeing you can see that God has done a tremendous thing in your life and they want what you have?  Now that is the key. I believe that if we were to begin to look at ourselves and make sure that we are not playing church but that we are being the church.

Sid: What I find is that most people that go to church act one way and then when they get around their friends that are not Christians they just blend in.

Sandra: Right, right and they…and my question is did they have a real encounter with God? I mean that would be my question.  Sid I’ll throw this out real fast; I was a graduate of Southwest Baptist Theological Seminary I taught in their churches, I was Youth Director and taught on the state level for them working in youth and working for them and I was not saved.

Sid: Hm.

Sandra: Now I thought I was meaning I thought I was.  But I had an encounter with God that transformed my life and God later spoke to me and told me that my salvation actually took place after I had led many people to the Lord. People say “How could you have done that?” Because the word of the Lord does not return to Him void.

Sid: Did you as a young child walk down the altar and say a prayer?

Sandra: Yes I did but my life was not changed and that’s the key my life was not changed.  I was battling areas in my life I was up and down like a yoyo and I didn’t like me I didn’t like Christians.  I didn’t like what I saw in their life they were to me just a bunch of hypocrites and don’t misunderstand me I was a hypocrite myself.  And I was miserable in my walk with God.  But when I had a real encounter with Him I mean an encounter that transformed my life and I was willing to move me out of the way and let Him have me and give myself over to Him and let Him be Lord of my life a peace came to that I’ve never known before in my life. A joy came to me that no one could ever take from me. I quit this yoyo type living and I began to be steady in my walk with Him. It didn’t mean I didn’t have problems and didn’t have some up and downs but on a whole my life was changed and transformed and I became hungry for the things of God.  I wanted to know Him and I’m excited about what He was doing.  I think being a Christian is one of the most exciting things on the face of this earth.

Sid: So what should someone do when they walked down the aisle when they were 11 years old in a Baptist church and they believe intellectually but they’ve never experientially met the Lord? They like for instance I understand that your sanctuary which I haven’t been to yet but I will shortly when people walk in and there is not even a service going on there’s a tangible presence of God’s Spirit. They’ve never experienced anything like this what should they do?

Sandra: I think first of all that people need to stop and take inventory of their life. I think that they need to look and see we know if we are playing church.  We know if we are acting religious acting the role we carry our Bibles without reading our Bibles.  We do not have… God is not real to us He seems to be far away.  I think the first thing to do is to get honest and admit those kinds of things.  And then begin to cry out for an experience with God and willing for Him to come in and transform our life. The Bible says “Those that diligently seek Him find Him.”  See the whole crux of the matter is coming back to this word of God. God’s word is truth and do we believe it or do we not believe it. He said “If you seek Him you’ll find Him.”  He said “If you come to Him He will not reject you or cast you away.”  Now you have to come to Him in faith for we come asking God into our life God is faithful but then we have to walk away from the things in our pass.  We have to do an about face, we have to do an about face and turn away from that which had a hold of us. And when I teach people… when I was talking in the first part of the week Sid I talked about that when God visited me and He talked about growing up the Body of Christ teaching them victory. I teach a very very victorious message.  I mean it’s very victorious message I teach you how to overcome, how to conquer, how to rule how to reign. How to head not the tail and my intent is to make God so real to you that He becomes such a vital part of your life that I mean you’re just consumed by Him you just fall in love with Him.

Sid: Sandra there’s someone listening to us right now and they’ve gotten a death sentence from the doctor they have an incurable illness encourage them right now.

Sandra: Well if they have faith to believe God to save them you get healed exactly like you get saved.  You got saved because you believed the Bible somebody told you about Jesus and you believed it you believed that He did.  That You asked Him save you that He that He would do it. And listen you believed that before you ever are saved and you confess it before you’re saved. You confess with your mouth “Thank You Lord for saving me.” You aren’t saved until you do it healing is the same way you find in the Bible confess His word and healed me.” By the stripes of Jesus you were healed pass tense were healed not trying to get healed were healed.  And you move into the mode “I thank You for healing me, I praise You for healing me, I thank You for healing me. You are greater than cancer I come against cancer, I come against it in the name of Jesus” and you begin to confess over your life what God’s word says about your life.  God says you’re healed, God said you’re saved, God said that He sent His word to heal you, God said He already done this for you. And you begin to say “Oh I understand the report I know the report but there’s a greater report I will receive the report of the Lord.” And you just let God be big and you say God you said in your book that “By Your stripes, by the stripes of Jesus I am healed.” You quit talking the negative and you think about you dwell on the word of God and believe what God has said.  The Bible said that God’s word is medicine so every single day you take a dose of medicine.

Sid: Do you?

Sandra: Yes every day of my life.

Sid: With as much as you know and as many years as you’ve been in the word on healing you still have to do it every day?

Sandra: I listen to a tape on healing every day of my life.

Sid: What would happen if you did not?

Sandra: Well there are times when I haven’t I mean…

Sid: I mean why are you doing this why are you doing it every day?

Sandra: To build my faith. Well there’s some days I can’t do it because my schedules but on a whole my intent is to listen to one every day.

Sid: You know what I love about you Sandra is that you are being really honest. A lot of people that teach faith and teach healing they just tell the good things they don’t tell the bad things but you’re really being transparent.

Sandra: Well it’s because I…you know Jesus is so wonderful I don’t mind being transparent I mean He works anyway.

Sid: You know I’m reminded when all you knew was one scripture the Lord revealed.  Your mother was dying from cancer and the Lord said the portion of the Lord’s prayer is all you need.  Would you…I believe if you will pray this over people right now that that’s so real to you you saw your mother healed of cancer from that one line of scripture. I believe that many people with neck aches right now have been healed. But as you begin to say that scripture Sandra I believe that many people will be healed.

Sandra: The Bible says in the Lord’s prayer “Our Father which art in heaven hallow it be Thy name, Thy kingdom come, Thy will be done on earth (we’re on earth) will be done on earth as it is in heaven.” And then He said to me “There is not sickness in heaven.” If people would but believe the word of God believing is the key believing God’s bigger than the problem, believe God’s bigger than the medical report. And begin to confess what God says about you fall in love with Him.  Go get your concordance and look at the scriptures about healing and look out and dwell on them.  Go to Proverbs 24:22 begin to look up those scriptures and mediate on the word of God and believe what the Bible says.  Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today and forever.  If He did it one time, if He did it for my mother he’ll do it for you. God is in the healing business He is still in the healing business and He bore on Himself and He took the price for our healing.  Himself the Bible says in Matthew took our infirmities and bare our sicknesses. He sent His word to healed them to preserve their life. All I want you to do is to begin to have hope and you come from home and something can be done about this.  I mean God is bigger than this I don’t have to accept this God is bigger and this will begin to accept the word and watch the word begin to work in your life and begin to fall in love with that word. And speak the word of God and make God big and powerful and mighty in your life He’s so wonderful, He really is!

Sid: I believe that if you’ll pray right now very quickly people will be healed.

Sandra: Father in the name of Jesus we come against that which has come against my brother and sisters in Christ. We curse to the root cancer, we come against sickness and father in the name of Jesus Father I ask Father that they will reach and grab hold of the word of God and believe for healing today. We call them healed be healed in the name of Jesus we release healing in your body in Jesus name.

Sid: And now do something that you could not do before if that’s possible by faith and action because if you’ve been healed then act like you’ve been healed in Jesus name.