Sid Roth

Sid:  My guest is going to help so many people because she’s just published a book that we’ll be featuring all this week called “Anointing for Healing.”  And it’s a hardback and it’s a beautiful book, it contains a vial of a anointing oil and the book explains secrets of anointing oil that I think the church, very few Christians today understand the power that’s involved when you have faith in what the anointing oil stands for.  And this is one of these how to books, how to pray effectively for a healing and my guest is Melanie Hemry and I’m speaking to her at her home in Edmond, Oklahoma.  Melanie before we went on the air I asked you “What’s God showing you to tell us?”  And you talked to me about the aspect called the interaction with man and how it’s so misunderstood.

Melanie:  Yes, that’s right the Lord has shown me repeatedly and what He asked me to share with you today is that, His interaction with mankind is still the most unreported story on earth.

Sid:  You know I know all these things, but for me coming from a traditional Jewish background I look more on sovereignty and I know it’s humanistic, but I’m thinking, “Well, if God’s not going to heal me then I just won’t be healed.”  Now I don’t believe that today, but that’s what I had engrained in me and I think most people that call themselves Christians it’s engrained that, oh God will heal me if He wants to.

Melanie:  That’s the way most of us were raised, certainly.  I was raised in a denominational church that taught me to be born again and to love God and to revere the Word.  But now they taught that the same God that occasionally has a good day and heals somebody is the same one that may put cancer on you to teach you a lesson.  And I don’t believe that today either because the Word of God doesn’t support it.

Sid:  Well, let’s find out a little bit about you, you were a Registered Nurse for sixteen years and I have to tell you, I am so intrigued with life after death experiences because every one of us has to make that trip and so we want to understand it a little bit better.  Tell me some of the experiences you had as a Registered Nurse.

Melanie:  Well to be perfectly honest in my early twenties I was a believer who had walked away from the Lord and was not in church and was not living my life right.  And I was under conviction about a number of different things and the Lord just kept revealing Himself to me.  And you cannot be a Registered Nurse and not experience the power of God and see miracles; it’s your choice what you do with it.  But I had a patient that I’d taken care of for quite awhile who was a judge and he threw so many blood clots to his brain that he had three flat EEGs which is proof that he was brain dead and the doctors told his wife and the family to put him in a nursing home that he would never recover.  And they refused to do that and they stood in the circle and prayed and asked me to join them, and the truth was at that time in my life I would rather stuck needles under my fingernails.  But what do you say, of course you join them and they prayed and they asked me to go home and take care of him at home.  And on the ride home from the hospital in the ambulance in a sovereign touch of God he was miraculously healed.  And he totally recovered and went on to try astounding number of cases on the Federal Court Circuit.  So that was a huge wakeup call to me, another one was when I was doing a resuscitation on an African American Pastor, we shocked that man and we resuscitated him for so long and finally his cardiologist called and said, “That’s it thank you all very much.” And after everyone else was leaving the room a young intern said, “Let’s try one more time,” and we shocked him and he came back and he sat up in bed and he told us in detail, every word we’d spoken and everything we done in the resuscitation and the only way he could have done that is from watching from above.  There’s no way laying flat on the bed being dead you could do that; that was a wakeup call to me.  And then one day I asked the Lord, I said, “Okay, if you’re really there and You’re trying to get my attention then make it so clear to me that I can’t miss it.”  And I was working in the Intensive Care Unit, I had a patient who had a brain stem stroke and when you have a brain stem stroke no stimuli gets from the brain to anywhere in the body.  You could do anything to her body and she wouldn’t feel it because it was nothing there and I was changing her IV dressing and all of a sudden the alarm went off on her monitor and her heart had stopped.  So here’s a woman with no heartbeat with a brainstem stroke and no neurological life at all.  And I watched her eyes open; I saw her sit up in bed raise her hand in greeting as through she’s looking at an unseen stranger and with love dripping like I’ve never heard, “Jesus!”  And then she floated back to her pillow and she was gone and I knew at that moment there wasn’t a drug on earth powerful enough to get her back once she’d seen Him.  And I decided that it was time to get my heart right with the Lord.

Sid:  I would think that would do it to anyone.  Now tell me about your book “Anointing for Healing,” in your heart of hearts why did you write this book?  And I have to tell you, I’ve been interviewing people that have been healed for over thirty years, but you have managed to put together some of the most unusual verified miracles that I’ve ever seen put together in one book.

Melanie:  My coauthor Gina Lynnes and I wrote this book because God kept saying, that what His interaction with man is the most underreported story on earth.  And we wanted to try and write a book that could be understood and received by people all over who are maybe in churches or not in churches and they don’t know what He’s doing.

Sid:  Is that why you made it, it’s a hard back but it’s such a beautiful cover, it’s one that people would put on a coffee table.

Melanie:  Yes, Bob Whitaker was very much, this was a project out of his heart and it was very much a combination between him and Gina and me.  And he wanted that cover to be beautiful and for the anointing of God to be revered.

Sid:  Now have you had much feedback on this book yet?

Melanie:  You know the people that have read this book have been writing to us and there was one woman who wrote to us and she had given birth to a son with Down syndrome.  And she said, “That she ordered the book because she wanted to understand about anointing oil and she said she got it and she read it and she said, “I didn’t know that healing was part of our redemption, I didn’t know any of that.’’  And we’ve just been getting cards and letters from people whose lives have been changed by the stories in the book.

Sid:  You know we’re going to have some of these stories, actually the people themselves telling their stories.  For instance on tomorrow’s broadcast we’re going to have the women that was healed of Lou Gehrig’s disease, ALS.  That is such; I mean I’ve known people that have died from Lou Gehrig’s disease in fact it is a death sentence; tell me some thoughts you have about her.

Melanie:  Wendy Moore was a young mother in her, wife and mother in her twenties who was an Emergency Medical Technian that road in ambulances and had a baby and she would get these strange things where she would be on the floor playing with the child and move her legs to get up and the single didn’t through and she couldn’t stand.  Or she’d be doing fine and then she could walk up the steps or she couldn’t lift a stretcher.  And in 2001 at the University of Michigan she was diagnosed with Lou Gehrig’s disease and they told her that 50% of the patients that are diagnosed survive two to five years.  And that she was so far advanced she would soon be on full disability.

Sid:  Now, from what I understand is eventually your body shuts down and you can’t breathe and then you die.

Melanie:  That’s exactly right and one of things they told her is, what’s going to start happening is these situations that your in is your going to get worse and you’ll start tripping and falling.  And so Wendy’s case she had an Aunt who had heard the gospel involves healing and that she had gone to a Bible School and learned what the Word of God has to say, the promises of God for healing.  And she told Wendy, she goes “You don’t have to die of this.”

Sid Roth:  By the way, that’s a word for someone that’s listening to us right now, “You do not have to die, God says “I want you to live and proclaim the works, you shall not die you will live and proclaim the works of the Lord.”  And no matter how hopeless your situation, I have to believe that you wrote this book, not just for the hopeless people, but for anyone that is sick of anything, I mean it really is a how to manual.

Melanie:  Yes.  There’s also someone out there whose facing a knee replacement and God is touching their knee right now and it’s being miraculously healed and they will not need that surgery.

Sid:  We want everyone everywhere to be red hot for the Messiah.  And we want everyone everywhere not to miss the return of the Messiah; there’s so many different views.  But my guest Mark Blitz says there’s something missing from most of these view.  It’s the same thing that’s missing from most of the church and that is the Biblical appointments that God says to observe forever because He calls them My Feasts.  And we learned over the last few days that the word Feasts in the Hebrew means my appointments.  So these are not just Jewish Feasts, not just biblical Feasts, these are God’s Feasts or God’s appointments.  And Pastor Mark Blitz why does God say to observe these Feasts forever?

Mark:  Well, I think that the reason that God wants us to observe these Feasts forever is because these are His Feasts and His word is forever; and He wants us to be aware of what’s coming and that’s why these are rehearsals.  His first coming was all rehearsals, that’s what these were.  And I believe His Second Coming; all the Feasts, the fall Feasts are rehearsals just for that and so He wants us to connect with Him.

Sid:  On yesterdays broadcast you were talking about how these Feasts predict the exact day even, the exact hour of the events of His First Coming.  How would you have liked to have been a Jewish person and snuck into a dress rehearsal of the First Coming of Jesus?  Hah, better yet how would you like to be alive today and sneak into a dress rehearsal of His return?  I imagine you’d throw away a lot of the books on end times that you’re reading these days.  Mark, tell us a bit about His First Coming and how that was prophesied to the very hour.

Mark:  Sure, I think that’s so important for us to understand.  The Lord said, that He wanted them to keep the Passover forever and the reason why, these were dress rehearsals.  Every year on Passover they went through the binding of the Passover lamb, the slaying of the Passover lamb at three in the afternoon the time of the evening sacrifice.  And that’s exactly, they were rehearing the event that would come 1500 years later when Messiah not only died on the Feast of Passover, but he was bound on the very time of the morning sacrifice.  He died at the very time of the evening sacrifice, and then on the Feast of the Unleavened Bread here He is the Matza, He’s the unleavened bread, and then three days later on the Jewish Feast of the First Fruits He rises from the dead on the Feast of First Fruits.  And then they have what’s called the counting of the Omer, and it leads right up to Shavuot or Pentecost.  Many Christians think Pentecost began in Acts not realizing the Jews in Deuteronomy 16:16 were commanded to keep that Feast.  And here if you remember Peter said, “These men aren’t drunk it’s the third hour of the day.”  Well, that’s 9:00 in the morning, time of the morning sacrifice on the Feast of Pentecost, that’s why all these Jews were in Jerusalem in Acts because they were required to be there.  Because God wanted them to see His First Coming and that’s why He’s wanting the Jews to Alliyah and get back the land because He wants them there for His Second Coming.

Sid:  And we’re going to talk about it because you discuss each one of the feasts in the four DVD series, “The Feasts of the Lord.”  One of the things that’s so amazing to me is the Talmud tells us something very supernatural that happened forty years before the destruction of the Temple, about the year 30AD, tell us what the Talmud shows.

Mark:  Yeah, it’s just amazing here the temple was destroyed in 70AD and the Talmud records that forty years before, which would put it right at 30AD when Messiah died.  They said, these four ominous events all took place right before the Temple’s destruction.  The High Priest would have two lots that would determine which goat would be for the Lord and which goat would be led out to the wilderness to be thrown over a cliff.  Well, the lot for the Lord’s goat would come up in the left hand, and that was a horrible sign because before the lot for the Lord should always come up in the High Priests right hand.  And then the other thing the Talmud records is they had tied a scarlet thread to the goats that was taken out to the wilderness and they also tied a scarlet thread to the door of the Temple.  Well, on Yom Kippur, if everything went well the scarlet thread on the Temple would supernaturally turn white and that’s how they knew that their sins were forgiven and that’s based on Isaiah 1:18 where it says, “Though your sins be as crimson they should be white as snow.”  Well, low and behold forty years before the Temple was destroyed the scarlet thread its recorded stopped turning white.  And then also the western most light on the Temple menorah in the Holy Place it just wouldn’t stay lit it kept going out.  And then finally the last thing the Temple doors would open all by themselves, these Temple doors, people don’t realize, were 75’ high, 7 1/2 story doors.  And you’ll see that they said they were like 25 ½ feet wide and it took 25 men to open the doors they were so big and heavy.  And yet all of a sudden these doors supernaturally would begin to open all by themselves.  And the Talmud records it was based on a verse in Zechariah Chapter 11 verse 1 where it says “Open your doors oh Lebanon that the fire may devour your cedars.”  And the Temple had a lot of cedar in it and they saw it meant destruction was coming and so all these supernatural events are recorded in the Talmud.

Sid:  But what occurred at approximately the year 30AD to show God’s dissatisfaction with what’s going on in the Temple?

Mark:  Well, I think we know it, it was the Messiah; He had died in 30 AD right at that time.

Sid:   Isn’t it amazing coincidence it’s at 30 AD; isn’t it amazing coincidence that everything to the day showed the First Coming of Jesus in the Jewish Biblical Feasts?

Mark:  Yes, it is totally amazing; I think that it shows it’s a supernatural sign from God.  I mean God always wants to communicate with His people on His Feasts days and He does everything He can to get His word out.

Sid:  Oh, tell us some more exact hours and dates the things happened.

Mark:   Yes, one of the most amazing things to me is John Chapter 7.  And in John Chapter 7 it talks about how it was the Feast of Tabernacles it brings it up.  And then toward the end most people remember that’s when Jesus stood up and He said, “If any man thirsts, let him come after Me” as the scripture says and out of his belly shall flow rivers of Living Water.  Well the amazing thing to me is what was going on in the Temple; the Talmud records all of this and that’s why it was so amazing for both Jews and Christians if they go the Talmud they would see exactly what was going on during the Feast of Tabernacles.  And because there was like Josephus said 2 ½ million people there, they divided the twenty-four courses of priests into three groups of eight.  And one group, all they would do was slaughter all the sacrifices because everyone was bringing sacrifices.  But the amazing thing on the south side at the water gate and the High Priest with his Assistant would go south down by the City of David by the Pool of Siloam because the Pool of Siloam had Living Water.  And He would fill this Living Water into a gold pitcher and his Assistant had a silver pitcher filled with wine; so here wine represents blood.  So here we have living water and the blood and they’re marching in this huge procession with hundreds of thousands of people on either side like there is this big parade and event while the High Priest and his Assistant are going back up into the Watergate back up into the Temple.  And they literally would pour the water and the wine onto the altar and while they’re doing that at the same time simultaneously another group of priests would go out the Beautiful Gate or the Eastern Gate.  And the Talmud records that they would go down to the Motza Valley and they would grab willow branches that were like 30’ long and there would be rows and rows and rows of priests thirty 30’ apart with these big giant willow branches and they would wave them.  And in step with the High Priest coming up the south side these priests would be going up the eastern side and when you can imagine all these gigantic willow branches waving and rustling in the breeze; the Hebrew word for wind is Ruach which is also translated as Spirit.  So here going up to the eastern side of the Temple you can hear the wind of God, or the Spirit of God coming up to the Temple.  On the other side you have the Living Water coming up to the Temple and when they both got to their respective gates there would be a flute player who would play the flute and the flute player was known as the Pierced One.  So here we have the Pierced One who’s calling for the Spirit, the wind and the water to enter into the Temple.  And then they would go into the Temple and the priest would march like a Jericho march around the altar once every day, but on the seventh day and this is what John records in the Gospels; that on the last day the seventh day of the Feast; here they’re doing this Jericho march around and that is when it says Jesus stood out and cried!  Well, the amazing thing is that again they would always sing the Hallel, which is Psalms 113 through Psalms 118.  And so what…

Sid:  The Stone that the builder’s has rejected has become the Chief Cornerstone; if that’s not amazing I don’t know that is.

Mark:  Exactly, exactly and the other thing they sing is “The Lord is my strength and my song and He has become my salvation.”  Well the Hebrew word for salvation is “Yeshua,” which is also very interesting.  But in…

Sid:  So the Lord has become my Jesus, is that what you’re saying?

Mark:  Ha-ha, exactly, exactly and then the other thing that is so amazing to me is it also says this, and it’s from Exodus 15 where Miriam says “The Lord is my strength and my song.” you know “When He has become my salvation!  Well, the Talmud records they also think from Isaiah 12, it says “Behold God is my salvation I will trust and will not be afraid, for the Lord Jehovah is the strength and my song; He has become my Yeshua; therefore with joy will you draw water from the wells of Yeshua.”  And right when they sang, “With joy will you draw water from the wells of Yeshua, that’s when He shouted out, “Yes,” as the scripture says, “He who comes to Me out His belly will flow wells of Living Water.”

Sid Roth:  Mishpochah there’s such richness that has been stolen from you…

Sid: ...Where we are just so filled with the Spirit of God it’s as if we we’re walking in an open heaven 24-7.  And that’s the book that I’m featuring this week by Eddie Rogers, I have him on the telephone from his home in Bremen, Georgia.  The name of the book is “Supernatural” subtitle is “Living under an Open Heaven.”  And for those that feel stuck, feel like they’re not going backwards, but they’re really not going forwards. And that’s deception by the way, if you you’re not going forwards the kingdom of God is always advancing.  If you are not going forwards you’re going backwards, you’re just deceived, you don’t know.  And if you want to stop going backwards…Now Eddie, I just talked to you yesterday about after revival hit and God began dealing with you, you began going to foreign countries and seeing miracles, everything you read in the Bible you saw in these foreign countries.  Then you started being, getting involved with the food bank in Western Georgia and you began seeing those same miracles occur.  For instance on yesterday’s broadcast we talked about someone that was deaf getting their hearing back, but how about the person with the missing ear drum?

Eddie:  Yeah, that was an exciting one, I’m glad that you reminded me of that.  This was on an afternoon session in which lead from one miracle even to even a greater miracle I would say.  We always like to close our meeting, my portion of it by praying for people that the Lord would highlight or through a word of knowledge or something along that line to prove to them that you know Jesus really genuinely loves them and He will minister to them.  And I think what is so exciting to me about this Sid is that you know we’re not, we’re not doing crusades in third world while we do that this is not where the miracles are happening.  It’s happening every day, there happening in Wal-Mart, they are happening in food banks and this is the Kingdom of God which you were just relating to a while ago, this is what the Kingdom of God is about, living under an open heaven.  And that afternoon session, I called a lady up and I said, “Let’s pray for somebody that is deaf in one ear.”  And I said, “And you’re deaf in your left ear, come forward.”  And this lady come forward, and I said “Are you deaf in your left ear?”  She said, “Yeah, I don’t even have an eardrum it was removed when I was a child.”  And so I turned to the rest of the crowd and I said, “Okay, if God heals her ear than this is proof that Jesus can heal, and if He will heal her, He will heal you and He will meet your needs.  All he is looking for is an opportunity, this is not something that I can fake, I can’t talk her into hearing, we can’t make it happen on our own it would have to be a demonstration of power.”  So as we prayed for the lady it popped, she said, “Something popped in her ear.”  She plugged up her other ear and was able to hear out of it, she testified, she said, “I can hear, I’m hearing out of that ear, I know that’s impossible, but I’m hearing.”  And it caused quite a stir, and do you want me to go into the story after this?

Sid:  I do!  Anytime a dead person comes back to life I want you to go into that story.

Eddie:  Yeah, I hadn’t noticed but right on the very front row, now I’m a former EMT, I was a Fire Fighter and Emergency Medical Technician for sixteen years so I do know a little bit about emergency services and things that are related to that.  There was also a nurse that was in the meeting that afternoon as well and the nurse was actually the person that got my attention.  As soon as the lady that had been healed of the hearing sat down, she went running over to a lady that was right in front of me and she said, “Are you okay, are you okay?”  And I knelt down in front of her to look at her and she was passing out.  Well, I’m not going to be stupid and I just told the people I said “Call 911 and get the emergency services on their way,” because that’s what we have to do, we have to follow a protocol.  But in the course of that we were looking for her pulse, we were looking for her breathing, and the woman died.  I had no pulse, we had no respiration, just what we call a cystoly that the nurse and I both looked at each other and we knew that this woman had just died.  And we again, I was calling for some people to come forward and remove her from the auditorium and take her to the front where when the emergency personal could arrive she could be right there.  And again it is probably two minutes had transpired, there had been no breath, a still feeling of her chlorated artery there was no heart rate and no breathing.  Before the guys picked up her chair and carried her out, I put my hand on her chest and I just said, “In the name of Jesus,” and when I said that, she took a deep breath and she came back.  And her eyes, rolled out of her head, you know into a visible view and the nurse looked at me and said very confidently, “She just came back from somewhere.”  And I said, “Yeah, I know that she did,”  Well she was carried to the hospital, two days later I went to the hospital to visit her in her room, she had her children with her.  She wanted to talk with me, but she didn’t want to talk in front of the children.  So two weeks after that, I met with her and I said, “You tell me what transpired that day, what happened to you?”  And she was very emotional and very choked up with tears as you could imagine, but she said, “I died,” and I said, “You know you died, and she said, “I just know, I died, I left my body, I died.”  And I said, “What happened then?”  And she said, “You put your hand on me and you said, Jesus and when you said, Jesus I came back into my body.”  So you know I know from a medical standpoint, legally they have to be pronounced dead by a doctor, and I know for many people that would not qualify somebody being raised from a dead.  But when you have woman yourself saying that she was standing out of the side of her body watching this transpire, I’m going to go with her testimony, that she was dead and brought back to life.  So that was pretty cool.

Sid:  That is, but there’s another gift that you operate under that really, really intrigues me it’s called the gift of discerning of spirits.  Briefly what is the gift of the discerning of spirits?

Eddie:  Well let’s start by what it’s not, it’s not a suspicion and it’s not discernment.  We can have a discernment.  The discerning of spirits is the ability by the Holy Spirit to recognize what spirit is actually operating in a person or if no spirit.  I mean whether it would be the Holy Spirit, whether it be another entity demonic or it be the flesh.  It is a gift of the Spirit that tells us what is operating in somebody else or what we’re up against.

Sid:  And when did this gift come up you?  When did it start?

Eddie:  They all started in greater revelatory capacity at the time that we were prayed for there at Jekyll Island and the angel appeared to us over our head and poured that holy oil or honey or whatever it was on our head.

Sid:  So give me an example of a real experience where the gift was activated and what occurred.

Eddie:  I was in a meeting in Memphis, Tennessee and the pastor of a church told us that there was a Satanist, a warlock that had come to the meeting that night to disrupt the service.  As I went into the meeting a friend of mine was doing the speaking that night we were alternating speaking.  And this young man came to the front of the church, he was dressed in black, he had on black eyeliner, his hair was died black, he had all of the makeup of looking as though that he were a Satanist.  He told the people that he was a Satanist, everybody believed him, I stood in front of him and when I prayed for him the power of God hit him and he fell to the ground, when I knelt over to minister to him thinking we’re going to eject some demons here, the Spirit of God spoke to me and said, he’s clean, he’s just needing attention.  And so that was a discerning of spirit that this was somebody in great need looking for attention rather than truly being possessed.  Now that doesn’t mean that he could not have become possessed because he certainly was setting himself up for that, but had we just went by what we’d seen in the natural we would have been running after something that was not even there.  But as a result of the Spirit of God telling us that he just needs attention we were able to lead into a prayer of salvation and he was saved and his countenance changed.  And that is a good example of knowing when and how the Holy Spirit works when it’s of the Spirit, when it’s of the flesh or when it’s truly demonic.

Sid:  Another thing that intrigues me immensely when you were obedient to God and you moved and you went to the place where God wanted you to move, tell me about the time that you were at the piano, what happened?

Eddie:  It was on a Sunday afternoon, some friends were gathered in our house, maybe ten or twelve people and we were just getting, we’d been here about maybe a month, three or four weeks, maybe up to a month.  And we were just going to do some worship with some friends and just enjoy just the presence of the Lord.  As I was getting ready to play, one of the people in the room that was with us said, she yelled out, she said “There’s a huge angel standing next to the keyboard.”  And about that time the power of God swept into the room and people were just laid out under the power incoherently inebriated, intoxicated in the presence of the Holy Spirit.  Some were weeping, some had joy, but it was just a manifestation of the Spirit of God, we were literally living under an open heaven.  That the very day after that we moved in, we moved in on a hot July day and next morning I was the first one up out of the house, I fixed me a coffee, I stepped out on the porch, while others were still asleep, climbing over boxes.  And I sat down on the porch and all I said was I said, “Let the heavens be open,” because I knew I had obeyed God explicitly; and when I said that “There was a whooshing sound that came through the trees, every hair on my head stood up, even as it is now as I’m recalling that moment on the porch; and the heavens became opened that very moment because we had explicitly obeyed Him in every instance.  And it was verified audibly, we heard, we saw, we heard the wind and we felt the tangible presence of God.  And Sid literally we have angels that live with us that not only that I see, but that my wife sees from time to time but even my daughter and even my grandson.

Sid:  And even as you take pictures, they show up as light, do you have many photographs like that?

Eddie:  We have many photo graphs of what we call orbs.  And orb is just a…

Sid Roth:  Ops, our time is just escaping.

Sid:  My guest is red hot for the Messiah; I’m speaking to him at his home in Fort Worth, Texas; Steve Solomon.  Steve is another Jewish man that can’t keep quiet about Yeshua.  Steve, you’re a Pastor of a church and an amazing phenomenon started happening in the year 2005 in your church.  Oil in the sanctuary, as a matter of fact CBS came out to do an excerpt this.  Tell the circumstances.

Steve:  It was just before July 4^th we had some extended meetings started Sid, you know Liberty meetings, Freedom in the Spirit meetings that kind of thing and with Independence Day.  And a few days before July 4^th my secretary called me at the house.  On Tuesdays we have feed the multitudes where we give away free groceries to the hundreds of families in the area every Tuesday.  So intercessors would pray in the sanctuary before that food ministry.  Well, they were praying in the sanctuary and they wanted to pray for me the Pastor so they were looking for some oil.  So one lady said to other lady, “Find some oil.”  So they were looking for like a bottle of oil in the church that we have.  And the other lady yelled out, “I found some oil.”  And on the columns of the church the decorative columns in the pillars there was oil starting to seep out of the columns.  And the more they looked the more oil they found, it was like on the banisters, it was like on the balcony, it was a Plexiglas eighteen inch like decorative piece on the top of the …

Sid:  “Is there any natural explanation?”

Steve:  No, no.  They called me and they said, “Pastor Steve there is oil in the sanctuary.”  And my first thought was that something had broke and was linking oil, and I thought “Oh great something else to fix.”  And then they said, “No, no, no it’s supernaturally appearing, it’s sweet, it’s clear and it’s appearing all over the church.”  So we went to the church and Sid, it was everywhere in the sanctuary, on my pulpit, just on the base of Star of David, the Israeli flag, it was there.  I mean it was just like appearing, and so we started these meetings we had this extended meetings.  And then what happened is then we prayed for people people would get oil on their hands or else oil on their feet.  And oil would drip on them from out of nowhere miracles took place.  We always had a healing ministry and miracle ministry, but it was acceleration.  A guy walked in one night blind in one eye and could hardly walk and he was instantly healed and his knees were instantly healed.  Another kid jumped off a roof trying to jump into a swimming pool and broke both of his feet and the Lord healed his feet and there was oil on his feet and he got healed.  People healed from cancer, people started taking pictures of the oil, this is how CBS’s the local affiliate got involved and it got broadcast to different stations across the country.  People stated taking pictures of the oil and when we took pictures of it Sid you would see these white balls of light in the pictures.

Sid:  We call them orbs.

Steve:  Yeah, orbs.

Sid:  Which are to me are angels.

Steve:  And the most phenomenal thing happened.  On July 17, 2005; it was a Sunday morning service; just after praise and worship.  And I’ll tell you the Lord comes down when we worship Him, He inhabits the praises of His people and it’s phenomenal what happens and still happens.  And this was when the song that came about in a minute I’ll tell you about.  But on Sunday morning July 17^th just after praise and worship we blew a power transformer outside the Church and the power went out.  For the next two hours the Church stayed cool like a refrigerator, we only had one light that they brought in with an extension cord.  But a man had a video camera taping the service.  And the little video camera, as I’m praying for people you can see these orbs of light start moving like a strobe light show all throughout the Church, it’s phenomenal.

Sid:  On the video itself?

Steve:  On the video, they’re moving.

Sid:  Well, you know it’s kind of all these normal things assuming you regard the New Testament as normal.  All these normal things are going on in your Church tell me, because I’m fascinated by this CD that a member of your congregation sent me, Riverwalk DNA.  We’re going to play an excerpt called, “Say Yes.”  Tell me about that song.

Steve:  This song was written by one of the members of the church during this time, this summer when the oil was being poured out.  And it says “Father, Son and Holy Spirit send Your angels, pour Your oil.”  In other words, when God sends something, when God shows up and He showed up in a tremendous way I believe He was consecrating us separating us anointing us for a specific task as a Church Body for the future.  And the inspiration came for this song and when people hear it, “Father, Son and Holy Spirit send Your angel, pour Your oil upon us.”  It has phenomenal results and countless people Sid had been touched by worshipping Him during this song.

Sid:  Okay, why don’t you consider yourself challenged?  Why don’t you pull off to the side of the road, if you’re driving or take what Steve said seriously?  What would happen if everyone listening to us right now Steve were to take the time, just this next minute or so to worship God?  Do it right now, “Say Yes” excerpt from “Riverwalk.”

“Say Yes” excerpt from “Riverwalk.”

Sid:  That’s one of my favorite songs, now I can’t say that, there are so many of my favorite songs on this Riverwalk DNA.  Steve there is a, just a happiness is the best way I can describe it a supernatural joy on some of this music, some of it so outrageous.    I had a prayer meeting and no one was participating so I said, “Okay, I’m going to get you in the mood” and I prayed an excerpt from the song that we played on the first day and that really; everyone was tapping their feet.  How do you get such joy in this music?

Steve:  You know, “In the presence of the Lord there’s fullness of joy and pleasures forevermore.”  And God wants us, I remember when starting the Church, the Lord said, “Get the music in their face.”  I said, “Lord we’re not going to do without great music, just anointed music.”  People come in Sid, and I’m sensing right now, since playing this song, “Say Yes” and us talking about it, everybody has problems, everybody has situations.  And the Bible says in Isaiah 61 “The Spirit of the Lord God is upon me because the Lord has anointed me to preach good tidings, good news unto the meek.”  And going down to verse 3 “To appoint unto them that mourn in Zion to give unto them beauty for ashes, the oil of joy for mourning; the garment of praise for the spirit of heaviness.”  Sid, when people come into the church one of the biggest testimonies I love to have them say, “Oh Pastor Steve, your teaching, your preaching, you ministry set me free is you’re so wonderful.”  But most of the people say, “When I walked in, something hit me.”  And I believe that same thing which is the Spirit of God.  Because listen, if we worship Him, listen “If we lift Him up He’ll draw all men unto Himself.”  And I believe Sid as you and I are talking, I sense a tangible anointing for the oil of joy to set people free.  David said, “I shall be anointed with fresh oil.”  And I just want to pray right now in Jesus name, there are people that are bound with heaviness, you’ve just gone through a divorce, you’ve buried a love one, you’ve lost a job, you didn’t get what you thought you were going to get when you prayed for it, something thing, it didn’t turn out your way.  But “We know that all things work together for good to them that love God who are the called the elect according to His purpose,” God’s purpose and His pleasure.  “Father, we pray right now in the name of Jesus the oil of joy, that deliverance, I sense people being healed right now, people being encouraged right now, people who wanted to take their own life.”  In the name of the Lord Jesus, “You shall live and not die.”  And “I thank you Father for healing cancers, for setting people free from all manner of incurable situations, right now in Jesus name as Sid and I are worshipping You.”  Brother, Jesus is so wonderful and when we lift Him up and that’s the testimony that we hear all the time, that when people walk in the Church during Praise and Worship, first time visitors, it hits them in the face.  And all I want is Jesus, all I really want is Him and to say yes to Him Sid and that’s all we need, the Son of God.  Either He’s sufficient for us or He’s not, either He is my portion or inheritance or He’s not.  Either He’s all that I need, the Messiah and Son of God or He isn’t Sid, and that’s where I believe God is bringing His precious chosen people, Jew and Gentile.  He’s taken everything, removing every earthly crutch so that He alone is sufficient for everything in our life.

Sid:  Why do you call your CD “Riverwalk DNA?”

Steve:  Well, DNA is the code of life to every human being, and we are praying about a name and this artist, you see the cover of this CD?

Sid Roth:  Yeah, it’s beautiful.

Steve:  This guy who’s a prophetic artist he just happened to be in town and heard about our church, and he wanted to come by.  And he drew this prophetically during the worship service during the Praise and Worship, he drew this ladder, one of the songs is “Jacobs Ladder” I’m in Jacob’s dream scene seeing heaven’s gate, let me climb all night on my ladder of faith.  Alright, he draw’s this ladder and it looks like DNA and it looks like DNA to me.  And he said it was DNA and I knew right away when the code of our spiritual life is the Son of God; the ladder, Jacob’s ladder, the Messiah.

Sid:  We want everyone everywhere to be breathing in the oxygen of heaven.  And you know how you breathe in the oxygen of heaven?  By worshiping God, I’m reminded of a businessman that I knew many years ago.  He had five mega million dollar businesses and he would get up every morning and he would worship God.  He would tell God how much he loved him, how grateful he was that he knew Him.  He would just worship every aspect of God, and the more he worshipped the more he could breathe in the oxygen of heaven and the more that he could breathe in the oxygen of heaven the more Godly ideas he had to be a successful business man to acquire wealth for the Kingdom’s sake.  Now my guest Grace Williams has been a guest several times on the Messianic Vision and I usually don’t interview someone again, but she did it again.  She came out with CD’s and you know Grace it talks in scripture that we’re to go from glory to glory and that’s what’s going on.

Grace:  Yes.

Sid:  Your not I believe if people are standing still they’re going backwards and they don’t even know it.

Grace:  Yes, yes, yes amen.  Sid we’re called to go from glory to glory you know in heaven’s realm that’s, that’s where we should be living and just in that constant flow of acceleration in God’s glory where there’s just incredible movement and momentum in the Spirit.  And I really feel like that’s the season that we are in right now in that just as this new CD is even called “Overflow.”  We are just entering into a season of the overflow of His presence, of His glory, of His abundance and that just beautiful place, that beautiful place of overflow where it’s just overflowing with God’s goodness and joy.  And everything that He has we are entering into that season where we are going to be able to access that.

Sid:  Now you, one of your songs which I love, I have a problem Mishpochah normally there are five great songs and then the others are okay.  But my problem is we love all of the songs on this CD.  Now one that we are not going to play it’s called “River” and you talk about the need for the river, the need for the water because we are literally dehydrated and we don’t know it.  You know when you, if you don’t drink enough water by the time you’re thirsty you’re already dehydrated it’s too late.

Grace:  That’s right, that’s right that’s why it’s so important that we keep hydrated like you said Sid, we keep hydrated in the Spirit and in that presence of worship.  And the Lord actually spoke to me about that song, “The River” and said “That it would be like spiritual CPR to people.  It would literally bring people back to life; it would bring the hopeless back to life; it would just bring people out of desert places.  You know when you think of the desert and it’s a dry, just really, really dry and desolate place that this song was just going to bring water to the desert places and people would receive the refreshing of His Spirit and be hydrated by the living waters.  Because one of my favorite scriptures it says, “When we drink from that fountain that we will never thirst again,” when Jesus said that.  And that is just so incredible that these waters have sustaining life in them, you know it’s His sustained, it’s His presence that sustains us.  And just exactly like you said, you know our physical body when we get to that point of dehydration it’s already too late and we can’t even go for more than three days without water in our physical body.  That’s not very long, so how much more, you know do we need the refreshing, renewing presence of the Holy Spirit to just wash over us and refresh us, to fill us to overflowing.

Sid:  And speaking of overflow, that’s the name of one of two CD’s we’re featuring this week.  One is called “Overflow,” the other is called “Heaven’s Rain.  And I have to tell you about the first song that I heard on your CD that caused me to realize that this is better than what she did before.  We’ve got to get her back it was called, “Open up the Gates.”  Because I’ve had prophetic words about ancient doors in Israel that are about ready to open up.  But what did God show you and it’s from a scripture for you to write, “Open up the Gates?”

Grace:  Well, kind of taken from Psalms 24 you know it talks about “Oh lift up your heads oh ye gates be lifted up you everlasting doors, let the King of Glory come in.”  And I really felt like the song was just a prophetic declaration that was releasing the glory flood gates to open us and to say. “Yes come on in King of Glory, cover the earth.”  You know that scripture that says, “May His Glory cover the earth like the waters cover the sea.”  And you know those gates are a powerful, powerful visual image that I really, I really see and there were times when I was working on this song and I would be in prayer and intercession and the Lord showed me these ancient, ancient gates and it was almost like through our prayers and our intercession and our worship we were standing at these gates and we contending and almost like praying and sometimes there’s a warfare to breakthrough to open up these gates.  But through God’s power and glory and through our worshipping and our decreeing, open up, open, open up gates that these gates are opening up and King of Glory is coming in.  And there’s such a mighty, mighty flow, a mighty, mighty flow.  I’m just feeling even right now, right now that the Lord’s just saying that these places that have been locked, these places that have been locked up that God said that He’s given us keys.  Just as the key of David is through worshipping, He’s given us keys to open up these gates and let the King of Glory come in and release everything that God’s promised to us.  Everything, every promise, every promise God says is going to be given to us in the name of Jesus.

Sid:  Now you had a supernatural sign when you were doing, when you were ministering this song.  First of all, a woman who had a lump in her breast, she got healed.  But then as you were leaving the church you saw something on the double doors as they opened, explain.

Grace:  Yes it was, it was an amazing evening, actually it’s where this song was first birth like prophetically birthed in the Spirit.  And I basically just kept seeing that one part, open up, open up, open up the gates and that’s how this song, the first part of it came.  And I was ministering that and that lady got healed and then we were leaving the building and we went out the doors and there was like this white smoke, it’s like this glory cloud that was swishing around at the doors and it was like everybody stopped and looked.  And it was like oh my goodness that was like the glory of the Lord and nobody could move and we just kind of started just like praying and worshipping again and thanking God.  It was like everybody knew there was like something like really, really powerful that was happening you know.  It was like it was a visible sign of like yes this conformation of the gates opening up and the glory of the Lord filling filling the Temple.

Sid Roth:  I’m going to believe that the gates are going to open up for those that are listening right now, Grace minister “Open up the Gates.”

Grace worship excerpt: “Open up the Gates.”

SID: Hello, Sid Roth here with Gary Kah. And I am so fascinated with the information that Gary has put together. He has spent a lifetime putting this together, because if you don’t understand the forerunner of the Antichrist system, then for sure you won’t understand the Antichrist. And Gary, I find it very interesting that Tony Blair, President Barak Obama and the Pope had the same talking points within days of each other. Explain that.

GARY: Yes. A couple of summers ago, all three of those individuals began applying a lot of pressure on Israel. And there is an agenda behind this. Ultimately where it is going is toward the internationalization of Jerusalem, and also I believe making Jerusalem the interfaith capitol of the world.

SID: Why is that important?

GARY: Again, if you’re going to have global government, you’ve got be able to bring the religions together somehow and they see in their minds that Jerusalem is the place to do this because it’s where Christianity and Judaism have their roots. Islam also has a stronghold there and so trying to make this happen in Jerusalem is important to them. Tony Blair has gone so far as to establish the Tony Blair Faith Foundation, which is actually an interfaith foundation. In his own words he has come out and stated that he is devoting the rest of his life to unifying the world’s religions.

SID: Okay. You exposed the names of prominent Christians that are deeply involved in this. I don’t understand how a real Christian could ever be deeply involved in this.

GARY: I don’t either. I believe that they rationalize and justify it in the name of world peace. But I am aware of the fact that on Tony Blair’s board of directors there is a very prominent evangelical Christian whose name everyone would recognize, and also an Islamic cleric and people of other religions. And again, if it simply has to do with reaching out to people of other faiths with the truth of Jesus, that’s one thing. But to cooperate in building something that will eventually unify the world’s religions, to me, that is a huge deception and we should not be promoting that.

SID: Okay. According to reading the Bible on a literal basis, which I do, a temple is going to be rebuilt. Gary, you have some fascinating information about this. Tell me.

GARY: Well again, in order to rebuild that temple, people have wondered over the years, how in the world is this every going to happen, considering on the contention on the Temple Mount. And we don’t know for sure how it’s going to happen, but there are some signs of how it could happen. The leading Muslim writer in the world right now, a man who has over 65 million copies of his books in print, his name is Adnan Oktar, he writes under the pen name Harun Yahya, is himself calling for the rebuilding of the temple. But he calls it majid or mosque, or a palace. And he believes this would be a great thing where people from around the world of different religions could come together and worship there.

SID: But Jewish people would never accept something like that.

GARY: Well you would think so. But there’s three leaders from the newly reestablished Jewish Sanhedrin have actually met with Adnan Oktar in Turkey. And after doing so, they posted the following statement on their website, and this is an excerpt of that statement. They say, “Out of the sense of collective responsibility for world peace and for all humanity, we have found it timely to call to the world and exclaim that there is a way out for all peoples. It is etched in a call to all humanity. We are all the sons of one Father, the descendants of Adam, and all humanity is but a single family. Peace among nations will be achieved through building the House of God where all peoples will serve as foreseen by King Solomon in his prayers at the dedication of the first Holy Temple.” Now get this. “Together each according to his or her ability, we shall work towards the building of the House of Prayer for all nations on the Temple Mount in peace and mutual understanding.” So these are some of the top Jewish people in the Sanhedrin endorsing the same idea that Adnan Oktar is putting forth, after having met with him.

SID: And you talk about the excavations under, in Jerusalem, the Shrine of Omar. Tell me about that.

GARY: Well very quickly, some Israeli journalists were secretly filming underneath the Shrine of Omar, and the tunnel that they were in, they discovered in an area off to the side some early documents from Jewish priests from the first century, apparently that were put there to safeguard them and protect them from the Roman invasion in 70 A.D. And these documents talk about the early church, what the church believed, how it functioned, it’s practices. And it makes it very clear that the early church did not adhere to replacement theology. In other words, they believed that God was still going to work mightily through the Jewish people and Israel in the years to come, especially in the last days.

SID ROTH: It’s very sad that we don’t know what the first Christians knew. For starters, they were all Jews. Now you know they weren’t involved in replacement theology, which basically, half the Christians in the world say that the Christian has replaced God’s plan for the Jew in Israel. And of course, God says, I change not. Boy, imagine the bombshell when this information is revealed. You can see things are really speeding up rapidly. The Bible says, “I’d rather you be hot or cold. If you’re lukewarm, I will spit you out of my mouth.” That’s what Jesus says. Are you lukewarm or are you hot? If you’re neutral, you’re deceived. If you’re just a seeker-sensitive Christian, you’re deceived. You must be hot or cold. Either serve him with all of your heart or don’t stand up as a Christian. The good news is you don’t have to look back. You can have a new beginning right now, repent of your sins and tell Jesus, say it out loud. I want to be red hot for you, Lord Jesus. I want you to be my Lord. I ask for forgiveness of sin. I repent. Live inside of me, Jesus.

SID: Hello, Sid Roth here with Hank Kunneman. And Hank, you’re pretty happy and chipper now. But in the early ’90s, things weren’t going too well for you, were they?

HANK: No. I was a lot younger then. I had just tried to start my ministry and I was recently married. I have been married 22 years to a wonderful wife. I was praying, Sid, and I felt like God wasn’t answering my prayers. All of a sudden, something amazing happened, I’d like to tell you. I was praying and I thought I saw something out of the right side of my shoulder move.

SID: That’s happened to me. I’ll bet that’s happened to you sometime. You’re in a room alone and all of a sudden…nah, I didn’t see it. But what was it?

HANK: Well I’ll tell you. I thought I saw it and I looked over, and I thought, boy, there’s something there. So I looked again and I couldn’t believe what I saw. And I didn’t have pizza, so I knew it wasn’t a pizza dream. I looked over on the right side of my shoulder and there was an angel standing right next to me. And I looked and he looked at me. I looked at him. And of course, I was afraid. So I thought, well I better pray, because I didn’t know what else to do. So I went over by my prayer chair.

SID: When all else fails, pray.

HANK: And I stood in front of my prayer chair. I couldn’t believe that this angel stood right next to me. And I thought, I should do the spiritual thing, you know, fold my hands. And so I folded my hands. I looked to my right. The angel was folding his hands. I thought, okay, this is interesting. So I began to pray. And he had the same form that I had. I knelt down. I thought, well the spiritual thing then, is not just to fold your hands, but to kneel. So I knelt down, too. The angel knelt down next to me on my right. I looked over at him, he looked over at me. I could hardly believe it. I said, Lord, this is so crazy. I started praying and worshiping the Lord. He started worshiping the Lord. But here’s what’s amazing. All of a sudden, I began to pray about the nations and about my ministry, and as soon as I did that, Sid, something happened. All of a sudden, this angel shot out of my room! I mean, just with such force and such power right when I was praying for the nations. You know 20-some years later…

SID: So you could see…

HANK:  Yeah.

SID: …and you could see that when you’re praying, whether you can see that angel next to you or not, when you’re praying I want you to capture this vision, the angel shoots out to cause your words to come to pass. That’s what you learned from that. That’s what I’ve learned.

HANK: Angels are waiting for us. But you know what’s amazing? After this happened, two weeks later, my wife Brenda and I are in this auditorium and Benny Hinn is conducting a service. And he points out, you know how Benny does, “You right back in the back.”

SID: Were there a lot of people?

HANK: Yeah, it was a pretty good size. It wasn’t as big as the huge auditoriums. But this was back in 1990. It was a pretty good size room. Probably not as big as obviously as the main convention centers, but big enough to be lost in the crowd; called me out and my wife, and began to prophecy to us the very things now, listen to this, that I was speaking in my room that nobody was listening to but God. Benny began to prophecy to my wife and I about the things, Sid, that we are walking in today. Now here’s the thing. Right after he prophesied, the angel shot out of my room, the opposite happened in my life.

SID: What happened to your job?

HANK: Well, I got fired.

SID: You got fired!

HANK: And it looked like I was never going to amount to anything. It looked like I wasn’t going to even be in the ministry.

SID: By the way, tell everyone why you got fired. I think this is important.

HANK: Well I got fired because I was working for a particular corporation and they wanted to go out and get drunk, and they wanted to go to a strip club, and I said, no I’m not going to do this. They said, well you don’t have to go in, you’re just the designated driver. I said, “No, I will not do this.” So the boss fired me for insubordination. I don’t know what is insubordinate about moral standard. But the powerful thing is, after I got fired, that night I prayed over all of their beds, and they came back drunk and everything. And here’s the funny thing, Sid. Sometimes we don’t think our prayers are working. I tell you, the power of God went into those beds. They couldn’t even sleep in their beds. They had to lay out on the floor and they were so miserable, and they kept saying, “What did you do to my bed?” And I thought, oh boy, because I kept my heart right, I forgave them and I kept praying. See, that’s the thing about breakthrough.

SID: That’s the key to breakthrough.

HANK: You have to be determined to stay with it. Even the lineage that led up to the Messiah was determined spirit that you see in people, you know, Jacob wrestling for the blessing. There’s that determined spirit.

SID: Okay, but here’s the thing that you don’t know. Here he has an angel next to him. The angel darts off to answer this prayer. Then he and his wife are in a meeting and Benny Hinn doesn’t even know them, he calls them out, he prophesies what’s been going on in his bedroom. I mean, everything wonderful is going to happen. And then he loses his job. The bottom falls out. And so much…How much time went by until you had your breakthrough?

HANK: Well it was probably, the Lord spoke a phrase to me. He said, “For the next seven years,” He said, “you’ll be like Joseph,” He said, “because I want to teach you character to handle the anointing and the responsibility of what I’m going to give you.” But you know one of the things that happened, Sid, I got to tell you this story. When I got fired, my wife and I, the only thing we knew to do was just go back to the Lord and pray. So we were praying one day and my wife’s sister was living with us at the time. We began to pray, worship the Lord. My little boy, who is now 17, was two years old. We were worshiping the Lord and we started smelling this smell of fire. And we thought, what is this? We’re worshiping the Lord and…

SID: All you need is a fire. You’re praying, you’re trying,

HANK:  We were already in the fire!

SID: …you’re doing everything you know to do, and all of a sudden, smoke! Where there’s smoke…

HANK: Yes. And so we thought, what is this. We rushed outside. I couldn’t believe my eyes. We looked up above my house. There was a cloud of smoke. It wasn’t a natural smoke because there was no fire. But it was visible in the natural realm that we were in. And even the neighbor, who was a sheriff, came out, couldn’t believe it either. Didn’t know what it was. But it was the Glory of God. And it was right after that time that a businessman called me out of the blue, after I got fired this happens. And he says, “Hank and Brenda,” he said, “you are called to the nations to preach my word and God has his Word in your mouth.” And the Lord to me, “For the next year, year and a half, I am to support you…full medical benefits, and I am to support you a full salary…”

SID: What did you have to do for this?

HANK: Just pray and read the scriptures.

SID: You didn’t have to go Heaven. He had Heaven on Earth. But it took seven years for his breakthrough.

HANK: Before the breakthrough.

SID ROTH: Here’s what I believe and this is what Hank believes. We are in the decade of the breakthrough right now. What that means is, it’s not going to take seven years. But there are certain keys and there is an anointing that I believe God has personally called Hank to release upon you so that you can have your breakthrough. Don’t go away. We’ll be right back after this word.