Sid Roth

Sid: Do you see what’s going on in the world Mishpochah you read end time Bible prophesies you hear about so many Jewish people now turning to Jesus you see what’s going on in the nation of Israel. I mean we are in as the Orthodox Jewish Rabbis say the footsteps of the Messiah. They’re right they just don’t know that His name is Jesus.  And to who much is given much is required.  There is a tremendous tremendous call of God on your life but will you achieve your destiny. Is there a ceiling over you that you’ve been in a rut for so long you don’t know how to stop it you know that you want to stop it but you know that you just don’t know what to do to stop it. And I’ve asked my friend Dave Roberson who’s pastor of the Prayer Center Family in Tulsa, Oklahoma to teach a bit about his series his 4 cassette series it’s called “Removing the Ceiling” subtitled “The Cost of Exultation.”  Dave on yesterday’s broadcast we found out that you were really sabotaged as a child your mother was an alcoholic, your father ended up in prison, she had many men living with her and you were looking for a father image and the best you had was a grandfather who actually helped you out a lot but by the same token said “You’ll never amount to anything” and was cursing you.  Had you just found the Lord and just been Spirit filled and went to a church every Sunday the rest of your life and went to Sunday school and lived like the world the rest of your life you wouldn’t even come close to fulfilling your destiny.  But that’s what most Christian’s think Christianity is go to church on Sunday and be a good person and have your life insurance policy.

Dave: Well Sid when God brought me out what we were talking about yesterday He brought me out through edification and praying in tongues. And this is such an incredible gift such an incredible gift because God has sent this supernatural language all the way from heaven and He literally transfers it to our spirit. 1^st Corinthian’s 14:14 says “If I pray in an unknown tongue my spirit prayeth which is my human spirit.  And for it to be my human spirit the Holy Spirit literally transfers that language to our spirit so that in reality it’s us who’s doing the praying. Because He is the head and we’re the church and where His church is that’s where He has authority.” And so He is literally borrowing my authority and then God the Holy Spirit is formulating this perfect prayer on my behalf and He’s asking me to cooperate by yielding over and letting Him speak the thoughts of God His plan for my life, the mysteries of the understandings of Christ. And this is what began to build my up out of that. I was so intimidated, I was intimidated by father figures that He traded all of those weaknesses for His strength.  And each time that He would build me up above one of those strongholds in my life I can remember how it happened.  I would pray in tongues and medicate His word and He would build me up above it.  And as soon as He built me up above it I was stronger than it was.  Then I would get to get a look at it through God’s eyes and I would see how pathetic it was, how destroyed my life was, how hurt I was. And I would see it through God’s eyes and sometimes seeing it through His eyes would make me weep and I entered into crying and I’d cry and I’d want to be free. And I’d found out that that was a kind of intercession. And God said “Good” He said to me one day He said “Good” He moved on my spirit and showed me. He says “When that had a hold of you and you didn’t care or you didn’t know how to be free what did I have to work with? But when I was able through praying in tongues able to edify you and build you above it then then you saw it through My eyes and you hated it as much as I did and that’s where I got the faith from you to set you free.  So just before we went off yesterday on the program we was talking about a church that was not far from you and that they actually don’t permit speaking in tongues in the main assembly.

Sid: Because they don’t want anything divisive and you know what they are winning people to the Lord, they’re bursting at the seams they’re doing something right.

Dave: Yes, well at that I was talking about my associate Tim Stemple and he managed Rex Humbard and Rex Humbard was the largest ministry in the world.  And about 12 years ago he came aboard with me and God was just really teaching me then that praying in tongues he pulls down the strong holds and begins to really set yourself free. So we and Tim literally died of the worst things in our life together. He began to pray in tongues and fast and we did these things together.  And Tim has the most incredible government gift and myself my soul is so trained I could yield in any area. Just by nature you know people say I’ve got a wit that I’m funny you know I just get real funny and get on a role I can use that, I can use humor to teach with.  I can teach on anything it doesn’t make any difference to me I can transform to anything the crowd wants me to be I mean I can win souls with it even.  It’s almost like a president who will die or he will buy an agency of some kind that will find out what the public wants and then they can make him into that public relations.  Well I can find out the temperature of a crowd, I can find out what they want they want. And believe me Sid I know how to give them what they want.  And Tim is the best government guest probably in the world and he can organize into existence anything you want to organize. Having a large church like that is not difficult you have to find out how much of God do the people want and we’re not going to go any further out of the flesh and you just stop on that line.

Sid: For instance you must end by noon or you’ll have a church spit

Dave: Yes Sir a user friendly.

Sid: Or half of them will walk out (Laughing.)

Dave: You’ve got to find out these things so I at one point in the walk that I was walking for revival here in Tulsa.  At one point I thought “It seems like everything you teach is slowing me down at this point I can do all of these things and get a crowd why don’t you let Me do this?” And He said “Because He said You would get hungry again because you can’t stay away from prayer and when you would get hungry you would start walking in the principals I taught you again then you’d start teaching the crowd and you would go right back where you are now and it wouldn’t be Me building your ministry it would be you building it.” And He said He gave me a promise He said “You walk with me and I build your ministry, He said not you building it I’ll build it and He said there will be no stopping place that it absolutely will be no stopping place in what I can do to someone who will give themselves completely to Me.”  And Sid we’re after Tulsa, we have people here every night praying in tongues and speaking the word of God over the city every night.  He showed me that if He lets…if I if I let Him loose in my life and let Him do what He can do as God the anointing after anointing that He’s going to bring us to and has brought us to that He will do more in 5 years and these years to come than He has done in my entire life in just a 5 year period.   So yes I know how to do all of those things but I also know about taking a city and I know about revival and I know what brings it. And I often refer to things this way I can raise money Sid I’ve been flowing into meetings specifically for raising money because I developed I trained my soul so good I could do it with or without God.  And people flew me in to do those things, I know how to do all of those things. When I started praying in tongues everything that was not of God He started killing in me.  And everything that was of Him that’s what He left and began to build.  And right now Sid I can tell you (Laughing) with where I’ve come from in my life peace is becoming the stronger and stronger reward.  And the love that He’s giving me for people I’m ready to breakdown and cry right here I did not know that it could be this way. And I can promise all of you that are listening that you get these tapes and you begin to walk this walk.  You begin to take those times of praying in tongues and letting Him edify you and begin that change in you.  I can promise you if you stay faithful for just about 1 hour a day I can promise you that a process of change from edification will begin in your life that will ending up changing those strongholds, destroying those ceilings that’s over your life making one year like the next until death came to pass until a generation is gone, till all is ended your life is gone and you hardly known what you’ve had done to do.  But I can guarantee you it will all start 30 minutes to just an hour a day just letting Him edify you and begin to build you up on your most holy God kind of faith.

Sid: And what does the average household watch of television per day? All you have to do is take l of those 3 or 4 or 5 or 6 hours whatever it is and pray in unknown tongues.

Dave: (Laughing)

Sid: And what a difference.  Do you realize what would happen in America if just the people listening to us right now were to do that?

Dave: Oh my.

Sid: One hour a day.

Dave: Oh my.

Sid: But you have an anointing when you teach on this subject and what I find is that the more I listen to you the more I desire to pray in unknown tongues.

Dave: (Laughing) I’m so glad.  Although I can say this and I think I said this before but I can’t just help it. The day you decide to pray l hour in tongues is the day that you walk into the class room of the Holy Spirit. That fine dressed gentleman at the chalkboard is non-other than the Holy Spirit Himself.  And because of that medium of tongues between Him and you what He knows He’s about to teach you.

Sid: Mishpochah you want to have hours of teaching by Dave…

Sid: We want everywhere to have such a passion for Jesus but the truth of the matter is because of the flesh, because of the devil, because what’s being pounded through communication airways most believers are in various degrees of a rut. And enough is enough there’s a job for you to do there’s a destiny on your life. There’s a purpose for your life and I’ve asked my friend Dave Roberson who’s the pastor of Prayer Center Family Tulsa, Oklahoma. And he has a teaching that is called “Removing the Ceiling” and I believe that this is an answer to prayer because most of you know about the rut you’re in I want us to teach you about that to know about the ceilings in your life but you don’t really know about how to bust through.  And I don’t know anyone better than Dave to teach you on this. Dave I was fascinated because at all of the times we’ve known each other and I’ve interviewed you I never knew much about your family background and your mother and father and grandfather. Tell me a bit about that.

Dave: Sid my mother was a periodic alcoholic and she would drink an awful lot. And during those years when oh growing up that I first begin to remember I remember that in the spells when she’d be drunk from say months at a time that sometimes she would bring different men home with her.  And I remember many fathers along the way.

Sid: Is it true I know it is but is it true that most of us evaluate God the Father by our earthly father?

Dave: I’m absolutely sure that’s true Sid because the marks those things put on me I really wasn’t able to unseal them until I found out the difference between real worship and the mortification that went. The will worship even after I was born again “I wish I was different.” And when I finally found out how to remove the feeling it was through mortification.  In other words I found out how to turn to the Holy Ghost loose on the inside and He’s the one that destroyed the hold that the intimidation and the grief and the hopelessness that I feel at times.  Because that not only that father image that I didn’t have but when we moved in with grandpa he took us in and thank God for it but grandpa he didn’t like my father because of what he did to my mother. And so when I would do something that would remind him on my father sometimes he would get so mad that he would scream at me and sometimes he’d kick me so hard that not to hurt you or anything but just to get moving.  That he could tell me to get me the hammer off of the table he’d be on a ladder and I would panic and get so afraid I couldn’t see the hammer even if it was the only tool on the table. He’d yell at me until finally he’d just storm down off the ladder to get a move on kind of kick me and say “What’s the matter with you?  You’re just like old man Roberson you’re no good and you never will be.” And when I go back now I cry a little bit tears of joy I can assure you now and before I get too far in getting the ceiling off in the last years of my mother’s life. One day I was over on the coast I was in Oregon and I was in Oregon Coast within 200 miles of where I live with a friend evangelist Dudley.  Early in the morning God spoke to me “Get back home.” And I ran home drove all the way home that night just in time for my mother to come knocking on the door. She wanted to know everything that I was doing and she was so moved that I was beginning to teach the gospel and that was the last time that I saw her. So I believe that God through our prayers moved on her and saved her in her last days.

Sid: But what was it like when you were told “You’re no good you’re just like your father.” Did you believe that or you just kind of shrugged it off?

Dave: You know what? That even though I didn’t want to believe it it became part of me.  See I became so intimidated afraid I guess especially with authority figures.

Sid: Well you had so many different men living with your mother.

Dave: Yes. I’ve spent some of my time with them when they’d come in and drank a lot and I’d beg them to take me fishing you know to do something you know like a father would do.  But I didn’t have much luck (Laughing) in that area.  But no it and when we moved in with grandpa about the 4^th or 5^th grade then then when I would do things like that then he’d yell at me “You’re no good, you’re just like old man Roberson.”  And by the way he was a PK.

Sid: Hm.

Dave: A preacher’s kid and my grandfather Roberson as I understand a tent evangelist somewhere around Texas. And so he was running PK, preacher’s kid. And so he’d tell me your just like him your no good you’ll never amount to anything. And it carried over with me and Sid the first years I was born again it was in ultra-holiness.  And I thank God for the holiness that’s taught from the inner man that takes the outer man over and causes the person to live in such a holiness that the kind that you do look appealing or modestly. But mostly you tend to do …and kindness in the love walk He has for all of us. Now I believe in modes apparel but I believe in that holiness of that inner-man.

Sid: But what affect did the externally holiness have on you?

Dave: Well this is what I thought to myself. Well here I was raised with one fatherhood and a bunch of fathers who didn’t want me and now I’m afraid not to go to church I’m afraid to dress wrong.  I’m afraid of everything that if I anger this father that he’s going to do something to me put me in a car wreck or bring a disease or do something.  I was literally afraid of Him. So I get born again and thinking well I lost my one father like that and now I get saved and I get another one.  But I can still remember I can still remember when I started to pray in tongues and somehow that praying in tongues which He’s very clear about would edify us and build us up on our most holy faith in God above essential walk and through a walk of faith and power with our Father. Little did I know that building me up above a sense dominated real that that would be part of what He would build me up over in my edification.  If I can remember praying Sid in my whole life is beginning to change and literally praying those mysteries the mysteries of Christ that is you and to you and through you the hope of glory up before the Father. And Him answering those mysteries and having the mystery of Christ in you to begin to come alive it’s trading my mind for His.   In other words I began to take on His mind and began to displace everything that they told me that I was and replace it with a renewed mind in everything that He said that I was. And I could remember that beginning to take place when I went out and begin a revival when I first moved to Tulsa and was preaching with men who I would have paid a $100 just to hold their sweaty old coat in the back room and listen to him talk about God.  And now I was sharing the platform with them. And even at that point with my intimidation I could have preached and raised the dead in that service. And Sid I would go into the backroom where those men were and I would fish. You know I would fish for a compliment because to me they were a father figure. And all I would have to do is to get them to say one thing good message “Brother Roberson that was really some miracles out there.” And if I could get them to say one thing like that then I would be okay the intimidation would leave because I knew that I’d done okay.  But now Sid now since I’ve found a level of love and that peace and every time I make another level of peace I keep thinking that this is as good as it can get.

Sid: The fact that you were born again, the fact that you were born again, the fact that you were Spirit filled did not get rid of those bondages, those chains.

Dave: No.

Sid: And you’re saying that praying in tongues got rid of that?

Dave: Yes it edified and built me up above it by revealing Christ in me.  Now if the freedom was automatically there by merit of the baptism of the Holy Spirit alone then every Christian would be free because He’s no respecter of person. Sid so there must be something that we can do that will activate that process of mortification begin to cause the word that we know to come alive in us and bring us from what we were into what He said that we are. And I found that to be the edification that supernatural language of praying in tongues.

Sid: But I have to ask you this I know of a real seeker sensitive church that’s bursting at the seams near where I live.

Dave: Yes.

Sid: And one of the things that they’ve done is the pastors even Spirit Filled but they’ve agreed that we’re not going to have tongues in our church it’s too controversial.  What would you say to that pastor?

Dave: Having a very large church and very successful church isn’t very hard Sid.  And to me all you have to do is find the level of flesh that people do not want to go beyond and begin to compromise right at that level.  Now I know what I’m talking about Tim my associate he managed Rex Humbard and Rex Humbard was at the top. I don’t mean I should say before Rex Humbard retired and is doing what he’s doing now when he was the biggest ministry in the world it was my associate that managed it.

Sid: Hm.

Dave: And when he came aboard with me we started praying and fasting together and we died together, and we died to the world together to the misuse of money together. Not that we was doing it we were just doing what everybody else said almost.  But we died to things together.  He’s one of the best government gifts in the world and I can be anything I want to be I found out how to do that.

Sid: Boy with all of the handicaps and all of the strikes against you Mishpochah did you hear what Dave Roberson said I want you to be able to say that you have a ceiling over where you are. God wants you to get those rewards at academy rewards night in heaven.

Sid: My guest by way of telephone Joan and Bob Nast.  On yesterday’s broadcast we found out that Joan was traveling with the Benny Hinn ministry and some witches showed up and put some curses. And this this is weird when she had the mammogram test a limp just swelled up in her breast all of a sudden after a meeting. And when they took the mammogram in the darkness there actually on the mammogram on the lump it was an exact shape of a witch.  Now at one of Benny Hinn meetings Lester Sumrall was there and Benny said “Let’s take up an offering not for our ministry but to help the hungry.”  And so Joan and Bob immediately stood up didn’t have the money but they pledge…they had the money but really should not have done it but God told them so they did. They gave $1000 and Lester said “Believe Psalm 41.”  Joan what is Psalm 41 say?

Joan: Psalm 41 it says “Blessed are those that are feeding the hungry and take care of the poor God will sustain them in their time of sickness, they will turn their bed of languish around they shall live and shall not die and all nations will call them blessed.”

Sid: So you were ready for surgery on this malignant tumor but before the surgeon who’s Jewish and not a believer in Jesus is allowed to operate on you you say to her “You can’t operate on me unless you read this scripture.” And the surgeon had already remarked and your doctor had said “Boy you don’t seem to have any fear.”  So what did the surgeon do?

Joan: Well she promised me that she would read the scripture and Isaiah 53.

Bob: It was like 1 – 15.  There was a lot of them it was all of Isaiah 53.

Joan: Or 1 – 12 I forget how many now but any way she promised she would read it and she did.  And come to find out in fact this wonderful surgeon her people in her office were Christians they had been Jewish and they had been born again.  And they had been praying for her for 10 years.  And every time they would mention the Bible she would just refuse to talk to them. After she operated on me with …after I’ll tell you but she called them up and she said “I know I’ve never listened to you before but this woman has made a believer out of me and I am now reading the Bible.”  And it was so incredible because of the fate that she had seen. And I believe God opened her spiritual eyes when she read Isaiah 53. But after she operated that took out the tumor. And the following week I went back and they took out the stitches. And at that time her 2 assistants were there and she had to go out of town. And they after I got dressed they kind of closed in on me and I said “What’s the matter why are you doing that?” And they said I said “Well I had cancer you took them out you took them out and now it’s over right?” They said “Well we didn’t get it all we didn’t get a clear margin we believe that the cancer is in your bones, your liver your lungs and your lymph nodes we have to do a mastectomy.  I said “Excuse me? Do you know who I am?” And they said “Yeah.”  I said “I’m a child of God I have a healing ministry I pray for people I tithe my money, this can’t be true.” And they said “Well, regardless you have cancer and we believe it’s spread all over your body.”  And we want to do a mastectomy.  And I said “When? They said “Next week.”  I said “I’m very sorry I can’t do it next week my husband and I are going with the Benny Hinn to California to going to pray over people that don’t know that Jesus Christ heals today so we’re going to pray over real sick people.”  So they already knew I was nuts so they said “Okay” you know and I said “Make it for the following week if that’s what you have to do that’s what we’ll do.” We got on a plane we went out to California we told everybody there and the workers went back and they told Benny Hinn that I had cancer very bad.”  And so they called me back in the back room of the arena and Bobby and I went back there.” And Benny got off the couch and started walking towards me and he said “Oh Joanie, Joanie, Joanie” And at that he was about 5’ away from me and all of a sudden the power of God came through that building and slammed my body right to the floor nobody touched me.  And when they picked me up I said “Benny God has healed me He’s touched me and I’m scheduled for a mastectomy next Monday a week away what am I going to do?” He said “Joan I’m only a man that brings everybody together to worship the Lord, God will speak to you to give you peace on what to do.” We came home from California; a number of things took place in the next couple of days that which we won’t have time to go into. Anyway on Thursday morning prior to the operation I had total peace, total peace, I had absolutely no fear.  The surgeon called me up and said “Come down to my office.” We went down to her office, she said “Joan I’m a cancer specialist I am a breast specialist that’s all I do, I know my work.”  She says I went inside your breast and I took out a tumor very very very large and the size of that tumor we didn’t get a clear margin.  Everything that pointed to I really believed that was in your bones your livers, your lungs.  We just got the reports back early this morning it is not in your bones, your liver your lungs and we do not have to do a mastectomy but we do want to re-operate to get…I’ve got to get in there and get a fair margin for my own satisfaction and take out your lymph nodes.  I said “You do whatever you want to do because I’m a child of God and I’m not going any place because God has a plan for me, He has a purpose for me just like every single person on this earth God has a purpose for their life if they’ll just get rid of fear, keep their eyes on Jesus God will get them through whatever attack He’ll get them through.” Long story short I went in on Monday singing as they were taking me into the operating room singing Jesus loves me. In the operating room I was…scriptures were pouring out of my mouth finally got them all laughing those cancer operations.  They said “Shut up and put her out she’s driving us nuts.” A little nurse in the corner is saying “Preach it sister preach it.” Well after 5½ hours of going inside my breast she told my husband she couldn’t find a drop of cancer in there they didn’t know what happened to that margin that wasn’t clear.  They took out 15 lympth nodes under my arm and they said there was cancer in one and she said to me but that’s like a general factor.  I said “No, no Doc you know what that was there for?” I said “You were right it was in my bones, my liver, my lymph nodes but I said “But my God, my Jesus, my Father in heaven He touched me and healed me and He took it but He left it in one lymph node that you could truly see you’re a good doctor you know what you’re doing.  I said He just wanted you to know He’s real looking for your good work to do.

Sid: Joan you said that everyone, you started out almost prophesying you said everyone has a purpose. What is your purpose Joan and Bob Nast?

Joan: Our purpose is to bring joy and happiness to the brokenhearted people, and children with cancer, and dreadful disease AIDS. But more than that if we expect miracles God gave us a vision that we saw wheelchairs and stretchers and 100’s of people coming on to this property and God miraculously touching and healing and saving.

Sid: But as children…

Joan: Yes.

Sid: Tell me about the one particular little boy that had cancer in his bone marrow and had 1% chance of survival very quickly.

Bob: This little boy Christopher he came as because he was invited by another family who their daughter has bone marrow cancer and asked if it was okay if he came.  And we said of course we’re open for all the sick children. So these people came and they were a little skeptic at first but they could feel the love that was here. And they looked around and they said “Do you do this a lot?” And we say “Yeah.” And you know we made them feel comfortable and we were talking to Christopher and talking to the parents and Joanie was talking to the parents and I found out that they were Catholic and they lived in Tampa.  And they told us about the oncology report that he only had 1% chance of survival.  Well 2 days before that God had spoken to me and my wife and my daughter at different times and said “Now is the time I’m releasing you to pray over the children.” Because we never had prayed over the children before, I won’t say that we never have but we never made it available to everybody.  So God released us to pray for him we were so excited because we were waiting for that.  So we said to little Christopher said to the parents we said “Would you mind if we prayed over your son?” And they said “No, not at all.” So we got our people around him and we prayed over him and all of a sudden as we prayed over him he started shaking going to convulsions and the parents looked like shocked and said “What’s going on?” And my wife says Joan says “God is touching him, I believe that God is touching your son and we want to know because we call it a praise report when you hear a good report back.”  Well what happened they left and 3 weeks later or 2 weeks later we got a thing on our computer a praise report praise report. Well they said “Do you remember little Christopher we were there such and such a time and they began to tell us that they took him to Sloan Kettering Cancer Institute it was the last resort that they knew to go.  They took them they’re and said “What can we do about our son?” And they said “Before we can do anything we have to do tests.” Well they took every test imaginable at Sloan Kettering Hospital and they could not find one bit of cancer in that little boy.

Sid: Well praise God and that’s not the only story but we’re out of time but we’re making the book available for you it’s a booklet “Who Cares For Orphans, Widows, the Oppressed God Does Do We?” It’s a book that’s going to change your life by Dr. Derrick Prince.

Sid: Everyone knows that God doesn’t wink at sin. But most people feel that there’s a certain length of time that they can get with it. And maybe your day of reckoning will come 10 years from today, 20 years from today. But I have a guest that has documented that the exact date the United States as a nation does what God constitutes, and just look at the 10 commandments for starters, what God constitutes as sin the exact day a warning judgment comes and it’s so many times that if more Christians understood that God is a holy God who is looking at everything that we do with a since of love to stop us from getting into areas that will require judgment we wouldn’t dare do the things do. I’m talking about believer’s image what happens to non-believers. I have on the telephone John McTernan, now John wrote a book called “God’s final warning to America.” On October 11, 1987 John McTernan that spent 26 years as a Federal Agent he was with the Internal Security Division of IRS. Something very unusual happened to you on that day John tell me about it.

John: Well Sid I was watching TV and it was the news and it had a story on about a rather large, in fact up until the time the largest homosexual gathering I think possibly in history, took place in Washington DC. And the homosexuals were gathering for their rights and to promote their agenda and I watched it I didn’t know that it was taking place I just picked it up when it was on the news and I turned the news the TV off because it troubled my spirit to watch it so I walked away. At that point Sid I didn’t think of praying, interceding, I didn’t think God would be offended by that. Of course I wasn’t personally happy by it but I forgot about it. And then that week that very week the stock market melted down to, at that time to record levels with the following Monday the big crash in 1987 do you remember that Sid?

Sid: Yes I do I used to be a stock broker with Merrill Lynch so I do keep an eye on the market.

John: Okay well then this is oh about 8 days later and I’m watching the news again and there’s a newscaster on it and he was obviously shaken by this stock market crash his lip was actually quivering. As I was watching him I had this like this flash back it was like a vision Sid and I could see the week before and I could see the TV. I was looking at the TV but I was actually seeing the week before. I saw the homosexual gathering and the news commentator and all of a sudden I heard in my inner man the voice of the Lord saying that this stock market crash was in response to this homosexual march and that I didn’t fear the Lord otherwise I would have interceded. Otherwise the country is naked and open before me in judgment because the fear of Me has been lost. It was as if it was like overwhelming I actually fell prostrate on the ground before the TV and I repented. And if you had asked me on the day before if I feared God I would have said “Oh yes I do I fear God” but I really didn’t Sid and at this point God opened my eyes that we had fallen under His judgment as a nation. And from that day to this I have been documented one instance after another where as you mentioned in the introduction there will be a Supreme Court decision regarding abortion let’s say, and at that very day a hurricane will smash into the country.

Sid: You know that was the thing that was so overwhelming to me in your book John. It’s not like in the same year, it’s not like in the same 6 months, it’s not like in the same month it’s the same day!

John: Yes Sid.

Sid: I don’t think people realize this correlation.

John: And it’s bit 1 Sid it’s like every major…every hurricane since 1989 has fallen on one of those days everyone. All the major earthquakes 6.0 or greater have fallen on those days. Massive tornadoes that sweep up whole small towns are falling on those days. The stock market has gone at one point to all time heights since 1987. And in my book I fully document where each major will say dip in the stock market were to fall 100 points in l day and things like that they’re all around or should say the very day abortion event a national homosexual event or touching the apple of God’s eye which is Israel.

Sid: I want to take you back to October 11^th 1987 was this just like an inner sense what you’re describing to me? Did the presence of God come on you? Did He speak to you audibly? Explain I know that you told me what you saw but what did you feel? What did you experience?

John: Sid it was not an external voice it was an internal voice but it was so powerful that I was like overwhelmed by it it was….the voice specifically spoke at me about not fearing “You don’t fear Me” that’s exactly what I heard. “If you feared Me you would have interceded when you saw that march.” And I was sort of like shamed I remember that I was ashamed before the Lord but it was Sid it was like me and God alone it was like time stopped where I was at the time and I was just being…I don’t want to use the word lectured I was being spoken to by the Lord.

Sid: But you know John the Bible says that there’s a judgment day for everyone of us wouldn’t you rather have had your warning on that date so that you could change than when you die and go to judgment day?

John: Absolutely Sid. I mean you I could sense what it was to be in the presence of the Lord and not quite right with Him. And that was what it was Sid and I repented. I mean He didn’t tell me to repent I just realized that I was wrong in my understanding of the Lord and right then and there I fell on the ground and I cried out to Him and said “Lord” it was like pride was exposed to me also. Because it was if you had asked me like the day before if I said the day before if you had come to me and say to me “Do you fear the Lord?” I would have said “Oh yes I fear the Lord definitely.” But when God showed me what the true fear of the Lord was I immediately repented.

Sid: Help me “What is the true fear of the Lord?”

John: Sid it’s real simple the true fear of the Lord is to as we see in the book of Job “To shoo evil to hate evil, to flee evil, to flee sin.” And you mentioned it in the introduction that thinking that you can sin and get away with it and all of that.

Sid: It impossible to watch secular television without witnessing illicit sex, drugs, homosexuality, nudity, pornography, I mean you can’t even watch that. Even if you choose what you’re watching they’ll slip a commercial in.

John: Your right Sid and I watch very very very very little TV I like to watch college football and you watch football and the advertisement will be for some show on and advertisement is exactly as you say. We’ve become …sin is promoted on it now and it’s encouraged and it’s promoted and there’s no fear of God anymore it’s gone.

Sid: What is God trying to tell us by you correlating all of these events of sin and then a judgment coming the same say what is God telling us?

John: God’s telling us a couple of things that’s a very good question. Number 1 the object of the book and what I believe that God’s showing me and showing the nation He’s holy and that God’s holy and that He’s not winking at sin. And #2 we’re to truly fear him over sin when we see homosexuals like gay pride day the church should fear the Lord over that and intercede before Him for our nation and that His word is real Sid. God’s word is authority it’s real. When He says in His word that He’s going to judge and destroy nations over the very sin that America’s doing. And as you said already precisely on these days and we see the hurricanes hitting and these stock market crashes and all of these combined it’s a warning that we’re on a collision course with God. And what He says in His word He’s going to do.

Sid: John give me one specific sin and what the judgment was pick one out of the large numbers of events that you have in your book.

John: Okay the centerpiece of the book is June 28, 1992 that was Gay Pride Day. And on June 28 and Gay Pride Day let me just explain to your listeners is the last Sunday in June and it’s been going on since about 1970. It started the late ‘60s early 70’s and its most of the major cities in the nation celebrate it New York celebrates Gay Pride Day, Boston, Chicago, Los Angles, San Francisco and Atlanta and there are other cities too. And the homosexual march and their supporters come out and very rude things happen. I have seen oh boy horrible things Sid oh boy I’ve seen a Gay Pride Day in San Francisco where it was the real thing and it wasn’t edited for the news of TV and it was so vulgar I wouldn’t dare repeat on the telephone what I saw with my eyes taking place. So any way on this day June 28, 1992 it was Gay Pride Day 2 massive earthquakes in southern California. One was 7.6 on the rector scale and the other was 6.5 on the rector scale. And the big one was called Landers Quake and in fact when you read the newspapers count the accounts of the earthquake in the Los Angeles Times the front page is “Gay Pride Day and the Earthquake and that’s all that’s on the first page.

Sid: We’re out of time.

SID: Just before John was arrested, he asked God for two things. What were those two things?

JOHN: I asked him, I knew I was going to jail and I let my children down once again. I said, “God, I want my children to forgive me and to love me one more time. And Father, I want to teach again” because I was a licensed teacher and I knew it would be taken away. I loved teaching so much. I wanted to teach again. And that’s the only [thing] that I asked. I didn’t ask him not to go to jail. I didn’t ask him anything else.

SID: The judge could have put you away for life. Sentencing day, tell me about it.

JOHN: Sentencing day comes around and in Minnesota we have the career criminal division, and when they prosecute you these guys are, they have no sympathy, no empathy for anything. It’s like you have crossed over the line. You have went over the sentencing guidelines. They’re, you know, we’re going to put you away for as long as humanly possible. Well the prosecutor that was prosecuting me, all of a sudden wasn’t there that day, and this guy really disliked me. He had prosecuted my son, my cousins and everybody. The judge had seen me time and time again, and was just tired of me. But that day, I had like nine months before I came for sentencing, and the judge told me, he’s seeing something different in me. And my lawyer was arguing for the ten-year, you know, let’s get him ten years. And I told my lawyer, “Just chill out, man.” And the judge said, “I’m going to give you probation. I don’t know why.”

SID: No time in jail?

JOHN: No time in jail.

SID: That’s a miracle. So those two prayers you prayed, I think God instantly answered them.

JOHN: He instantly answered them. And the place that I got shamed and got arrested at, that the cameras came to, they not only rehired me, but they promoted me.

SID: When you were talking about that day when the cameras were there, I saw crocodile tears coming out of your eyes. Why?

JOHN: There’s no way to explain when God does what he does and how blessed I was to receive it. I owe him everything and he did it for me, for me right there and then regardless of my past or anything. He did it for me.

SID: Would he do this for anyone if their past was even worse than yours?

JOHN: He would do it for any one of his children in an instant.

SID: Would you pray for the ones that are looking right now, and you know who you are, because God has been dealing with you and he loves as much as he loves John Turnipseed. He loves as much as he loves me. He loves you enough to die for you.

JOHN: God, you know us. We’re your babies. Father, sometimes we are disobedient. Sometimes we do not do what we’re supposed to do. But father, you told us that you loved us so much in John 3:16, that whoever believed in you shall not perish, but have everlasting life. And Father, we’re your babies. We need you in our life. Knock down the barriers for the ones that don’t believe in you, Father. Just knock the barriers down and let them know that you’re there, Father, because only until you come will they know how great you are, Father. So please, Jesus, just give us unyielded, unrestrained favor, today, Father, even if we don’t deserve it, Jesus. Amen.

SID: You know what? The Bible says if you confess your sins he is just and faithful to forgive you of all, all, all, no matter what you’ve done. Real quick, tell me the first message you ever gave, your first sermon.

JOHN: My first sermon, I gave my life to Christ and I went back to school to become a minister. I went to a funeral that another pastor was supposed to do. I get a phone call because he’s not there and it’s from a cousin of mine that tells me, “Hey, Johnny,” that’s what he called me, “I’m just telling you this because I know you’re at that funeral. The pastor ain’t showing up. The pastor owes us a whole lot of money and for drugs and I’m just telling.” Yeah, it’s hard to believe. “And until Monday, he’s gonna stay right here. So tell the family.” So I went to the family and I told them, I didn’t tell them whole story. I just said, “The pastor won’t show up.” And I said, “But I’m a pastor.” “You are?” And I said, “Yeah.” And they asked me, “Well would you do the service because the funeral home is waiting.” And I said, “I will.” And when I got up to speak the crowd there, I heard cursing.

SID: They know about you.

JOHN: He’s a pimp. He’s a thug. You know, he did this to me. I mean, all of this. And God just, I felt him. And I went up and I opened the service up with John 3:16. And I’ll tell you how I said it. I said, “For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son that whosoever believeth in him, even Johnny Turnipseed, shall not perish, but have everlasting life.” And then I told them, “I don’t know about the God you serve, but the one I serve said that and meant that, and I’m going to do this service.” And I got a standing ovation.

SID: Well now. What about that large extended family of pimps and fatherlessness, and prison, and murders, 34 members of your family serving time for murder right now? What’s going on with all of that family?

JOHN: Most of them that are in prison are saved.

SID: What percent would you say are saved?

JOHN: I would say 90 percent. I would say 90 percent. My children are saved. My brothers are saved. We are no longer raising criminals. We’re raising hopefully little preachers, you know. That’s my greatest hope. That’s bigger than the president in my family.

SID: Okay. With your family, you broke the curses. How can people watching you right now break the curses over their family, whether it’s sickness or whether it’s divorce, or whether it’s prison, or whether it’s addictions? Whatever. How?

JOHN: What I had to do with my family is we had to sit down and come face to face with these are the things, and be honest, that are plaguing our family, okay: the prostitution and the gang, and the drugs, all of that, father absence, men walking away from their children. We had to say some very unpleasant things about the reality of who we were. Okay. And then in agreement with each other we had to act on it. And then we had to arm ourself because the enemy came and he, man, did he ever come. When I started talking this message he started attacking my family more than he had, because before he could just leave us alone because we were doing it all by ourself. But once we started, we armed ourself with the Word and the blood of Jesus Christ and stuff that he had to back off. He had to back off.

SID: Did you hear that? He armed himself with the Word of God and the blood of Jesus. That’s why they had to back off. And I tell you the devil, the curses, are backing off in Jesus’ name.

JOHN: Amen.

We’ll be right back to It’s Supernatural.

SID: Hello. Welcome. Welcome to my world where it’s naturally supernatural. My guest was a career criminal. His extended family consisted of drug dealers, drug addicts, pimps, prostitutes, fatherlessness. He had 34 members of his family in prison as of now for murder. I mean, this pervaded the whole family. He had an encounter with the Messiah. He learned about bloodline curses, began to break them on himself, on his family, his extended family and he has a passion to help you break. Now by the way, these curses can be things like sickness, like poverty and their bloodline. It’s passed through the blood and you can stop it, and his passion is to help you. Are you ready? Now I have John Turnipseed here with me and we were talking a bit about bloodline curses. What is your understanding of a bloodline curse?

JOHN: My understanding of a bloodline curse is if you can look back into your family and certain things, devastating things, not just like a cold or anything. I’m talking about things such as like cancer and things of people being unemployed and prostitution or sexual immorality and things of that nature, or people going to prison, if you can trace that back one generation it might be a mistake, an abnormality. But if it happens in two or three, there’s definitely something going on there and you’d better address it right then because it can carry on into other generations.

SID: Now you don’t look old enough for that, but you tell me that you traced these things in your own family back four generations.

JOHN: Yes, starting with my father. My father got shot at a young age, did a robbery at a young age, went to prison and abandoned us as a father. I got shot at 16, abandoned my kids and went to prison for ten years. My son Little Johnny got shot 17 times, abandoned his nine kids and went to prison for 15 years, and his son got shot at a very young age in his teenage years and is doing life without the possibility of parole. Every generation it got uglier and stronger, and that’s when I knew that I had to do something.

SID: That’s an interesting point. I hope you didn’t miss it. He said that each generation it was getting worse in his family line. How big is the Turnipseed family that you’re talking about?

JOHN: We are the largest family in Minnesota. A family reunion for us is a couple thousand people.

SID: Wow. And how many would you say percentage-wise has this curse affected?

JOHN: I would say in most of the generations, probably 75 to 90 percent.

SID: You were raised in a loving home. You had a good childhood in Alabama.

JOHN: Yes.

SID: All of a sudden, uprooted to Minneapolis. Let’s take a look at this clip.

[begin video]

Man 1: I was six years old when the boogeyman started to haunt me.

Woman [screaming]

Man 1: I prayed he’d go away, but I guess when your father is the devil you can’t expect God to answer your prayers.

Boy: Virgil, come!

Man 1: You can’t take the boogeyman down.

Boy: Don’t make me beat you again!

Man 1: You’ll find someone who can.

Man 2: Ever since I was a kid I ran these streets by whatever means necessary.

[siren]

Man 3: Oh one more thing, John, you walk in my courtroom one more time, just one more time, you will not see another human being for as long as you live.

[end video]

SID: You know, it’s hard to even comprehend this lost, scared little boy went on to become a gang leader, a pimp, a drug dealer. He was shot, stabbed, abducted, addicted to cocaine, armed robberies, in and out of prison. How did that happen?

JOHN: Well with a father not being around and nobody to supervise me, I was basically, my father wasn’t there, the head of the household. My mother was sick and hurt, and I would venture out into the neighborhood. And down the street from where I lived, because there was no authority over of me, a group of pimps and thugs took me in and they showed me what I thought was love. And I went, I grabbed and held onto it for all I could, and it led me to penitentiaries and everything. I was pulling armed robberies at 12 years of age.

SID: But you were raised in the church.

JOHN: Yes.

SID: Your father was raised in the church.

JOHN: Deacon.

SID: And how does someone that has a little bit of teaching, just a little, do cold-blooded things such as you did?

JOHN: Well I was raised in the church, and when I was six or seven years old my grandmother told me I was going to be John the Baptist. I was going to be a preacher, so I would practice preaching at five and six years of age, and it was my destiny. We had intact families down there. Everybody was married, no alcohol. Everybody went to church and worked hard. Good family. And my father comes up here by himself and a couple years later when we came up here, he was not the same person. He went from being my hero to the boogeyman and he, I was scared of him. I didn’t like him and he beat my mother every single day, and I couldn’t understand. And I prayed every day for God to stop it in my little bitty mind all by itself and it didn’t happen for me. And one day I stopped praying and I became very angry at God, and I thought, that’s it. All that stuff you guys have told me, my grandmother, that’s hocus-pocus. That doesn’t work. I prayed and he still beats my mother. So how does a nine-year-old child deal with that?

SID: But when you got involved in this life of crime, wasn’t there even a twinge saying, this is wrong, I shouldn’t do this, a twinge of remorse?

JOHN: At first. Pretty soon, the conscience gets put to sleep.

SID: It’s called seared.

JOHN: And then it’s gone.

SID: You told me that when you were involved in these things it was almost like a high.

JOHN: Absolutely. There was no greater thrill to me than going and putting a pistol in someone’s face and humiliating them, and making them give me all their money.

SID: You hated your father, as you explained. But then you became just like the one you hated.

JOHN: Absolutely.

SID: You became just like your father. That curse that was haunting you was causing you to move in these areas and probably even giving you that high that you had for crime.

JOHN: Oh absolutely. The curse that came upon me became so strong in me that I was able to persuade others to follow me. I was able to, I was 18 years old. I was in prison for the first time with a thousand men and I took over the prison, just had them following me to this path that I was on, and because I was so taught so well how to influence people for my own benefit that I was able to send a lot of young men down a very dark path.

SID: But you had some good role models in prison. Did you really want to change?

JOHN: God kept sending angels to me.

SID: What do you mean?

JOHN: He sent, I wouldn’t go to school and one day I wanted to do weightlifting and this weightlifter told me that he wouldn’t teach me weightlifting unless I got my GED. So I went and studied the book and took the GED test a week later and passed it. And then there was another guy who came and visited me in prison and told me I was, insulted me by telling me I was a total waste of human life because I wouldn’t educate myself. And I went to school and got a degree in computers. And there was a guy named Father Cappucci [sp], a Catholic priest, that when I would act up he was the only one that could calm me down because I knew he was one of God’s boys and I didn’t want to offend him. So God kept sending, he never, I didn’t realize it until later on in life, he sent the cavalry to me, to prepare me.

SID: God is so good.

JOHN: He is that good.

SID: Now you hated your dad.

JOHN: Hated him.

SID: Wanted to kill him and when you had a child it would be different, but it wasn’t.

JOHN: It was not different. My first child actually came into the world. She was, I was shot, the mother was shot and she was shot by a gunman that was trying to kill me. We all lived, but I brought that evil, that evil followed me into my household and tried to execute my family.

SID: It’s all part of that curse.

JOHN: All part of the curse. But the angel of God, the mercy of God was there.

SID: Your life was in and out of prisons. You had a skill, but you were living a double life, a life as a normal person and a life because that curse would not leave you alone. You were going to be arrested. You knew it. You were in your office. A television crew showed up. Describe that to me.

JOHN: I had been caught, put in jail and arraigned on probably a couple hundred felonies. And I agreed to plead guilty to 50 of them if they would let me out to finish teaching a class. See, I was, when God had sent those angels I had gotten the skill of teaching and I had students. So I went back to teach these students. Nobody knew I went to jail and I was going to go to prison. I barricaded myself in my office and I started crying. I started crying. I wanted to kill myself and something from my childhood came to me: my grandmother telling me just, “Boy, just reach to God. Reach to Jesus.” That’s what that voice came to me. And I asked him right there, right there I said, “God, if you are who my grandmother said you are, you have to come right now.” And he came right then and there. And I know he came. I call him the gangster. When that gangster came into my life, you know, I can’t describe it. I cannot describe how I felt that moment. I got up. Everybody was waiting outside my office. I came out smiling. I had dirt all over my suit, mud running down my face. I didn’t care. Jesus came and got me.

SID: He was real.

JOHN: He was real.

SID: I’ll tell you something. When we come back, you think you have problems, 50 felonies, a judge that hates him. He’s facing ten years to life. He could be put away forever. But the same God that rescued him, the same God that is ready to rescue you, it’s a miracle. I’ll be right back.

SID: Hello. Sid Roth here. Welcome to my world where it’s naturally supernatural. It’s so good to have a studio audience. My guest, David Herzog, his father is Jewish. And at 13, he had a Bar Mitzvah like no Bar Mitzvah you’ve ever seen. It wasn’t fountain pens. It wasn’t all a big party. He had a visitation from the Messiah of Israel and he was commissioned to teach on the Glory. He understood by going to Heaven what the Glory or the manifest presence of God, is—when God invades a place. He got revelation of this and he’s known, it’s interesting. It was…the word “glory” was mentioned in his visitation and that’s what he’s known for teaching throughout the world. When he teaches on the Glory, and I can tell you I’m an eye witness to this, this isn’t second hand. I literally was sitting in front of a woman with grey hair and all of a sudden I saw brown hair start just radiating from her. Throughout the course of the night it was turning browner and browner. I have seen people lose weight instantly in this glory realm. People, now this I haven’t seen, but I got reports of people that did not have hair, hair would come out. People that had metal in their body, the metal would turn to bone. David Herzog, now this is absolutely ridiculous. We have in the studio audience a man that had a meeting just a couple of weeks ago, invited you to speak and they kept adding up the total of the offering they took. And the reason they kept adding it up is it kept getting larger. This should not happen.

DAVID: It’s a great problem to have when you have to keep counting.

SID: I mean, how would you like to count your money every night and see it multiply. Are there any accountants out there? That will blow your mind. So David, tell me this encounter you had at Bar Mitzvah age.

DAVID: I was 13 years old at this youth camp and they said, “Who wants the Holy Spirit?” I said, “I do. I do.”

Man 1: Alright then, guys, let’s get up and walk this way.

DAVID: I ran up there, waiting in the line. And this guy in front of me starts crying before we got to the front to get prayer. And I said, “Why are you crying? Does it hurt?” He goes—

“No. It feels great.”

DAVID: I thought it hurt because he was crying.

Boy: It feels great.

DAVID: Why would a guy cry unless it hurts. So I waited. Suddenly this warmth came on my body and I started crying, and I felt this pure liquid love. And suddenly I was taken to Heaven and I saw the thrones of God, I saw the Father, the son. And suddenly this voice came out and said, “You’re going to travel for my glory.” And I was just, I think all night I was praying in tongues, which is a foreign language from Heaven, and I couldn’t stop praying. And I knew from that day something changed my life when I saw Heaven.

SID: Tell me the first miracle of note that occurred after this experience.

DAVID: I was asked to teach a little group of young people. They were like maybe seven or eight years old on a Sunday morning. So I taught them from this manual that they gave me. I got kind of bored teaching from the manual. So I kind of went off the script. And I said, “Listen, kids, let’s just pray for someone that’s sick. Don’t tell the pastor because I might get in trouble. But let’s just pray and see what happens. Don’t tell him I didn’t follow the weekly thing because they might not like that.” And so a little girl comes out and says, “Look at my leg, it’s so short compared to the other one. I’ve got scoliosis.” And I said, “Sure, let’s pray for that and see what happens.” And I closed my eyes, and my first miracle, and her leg instantly began to grow out, and the kids began screaming, “Look at her leg!” And I opened my eyes and her leg had grown out, but I had missed watching my first miracle.

SID: That’s okay. You’ve had many since. So David literally goes to Bible school and then he hears God tell him to go to France. Now I have to tell you, if I was picking countries, no offense for those watching us right now in France, I would not have picked France. That is a graveyard for people that talk about God. And so David, no one knows him, would you believe he had the longest standing revival move of God’s spirit in France in 50 years. But he had to get a revelation from God on how to have this move of God’s spirit in this graveyard, so to speak. What did God tell you?

DAVID: I remember when that revival hit right before I said, “God, I’m so desperate. I’m so hungry.” I took time off. I began to seek the Lord, to pray. But one of the things God showed me when I was in France, I said, “Lord, how do we touch this country? It’s so hard.” He said to me, I went on a fast, and He said during the fast, “Here’s the secret. You do what Paul did.” Paul was the expert on touching the Roman Empire, which is Europe. He said, “He went to the Jew first.” And He says, “I go to the Jew first to make them jealous and win some of them.” And in return God would magnify His ministry to the gentiles. It says it right there: “I magnify my ministry to the gentiles by making the Jews jealous and saving some.” So I went to Israel. I led 13 people to the Lord. When I got back I had non-stop revivals for the next five years every single week.

SID: What types of things did you see happen?

DAVID: Crazy things. In that revival a girl was picked up off the ground 13 centimeters, lifted and floated in the air. During the revival she was weeping for souls. She flipped over like a pancake and she was heavyset, too, a heavy-weight girl, so it was even a bigger miracle. And she stayed there for a few seconds, went back down on the ground. At that moment—

SID: Wait a second. If she was 90 pounds that would have been a big miracle.

DAVID: And at that moment all these young people ran up to be saved and demons are coming out of them. And that launched that six-month revival, which was the longest running in 50 years in one place.

SID: When we come back you’re going to find out how everything speeds up in the Glory. You’re going to find out, as a matter of fact, I believe that some of you are going to actually, and I’m hearing it, are going to get gold teeth from Heaven. Has this happened in many of your meetings?

DAVID: It happens almost every week.

SID: Hold that thought. We’ll be right back.

SID: I don’t know what’s going on with you, but I can tell you the presence of God is just penetrating me when Julie sings. It’s almost like in the invisible world your music is going into people. Your words are going into people. You told me, in the barn years you learned to lose yourself in the Spirit. What is that? What does that mean to you, lose yourself in the Spirit? What goes on?

JULIE: Well as soon as I sit down at the keyboard and begin to sing, it’s like I enter another realm and everything else in the world that I’m worried about just falls away. And I love that place. It’s like there’s no place like being in God’s presence. It’s peace. It’s rest. It’s freedom.

SID: Doesn’t it amaze you that you get all of these reports in of what’s going with people, and all you’re doing is letting them know what you do when you lose yourself in His presence.

JULIE: Yeah, I know. It is incredible.

SID: Tell me about one person’s marriage that was healed.

JULIE: Well there was a couple that they had, there had been betrayal on both parts. And the husband decided to start soaking, and he just played my music day and night. And he said that it just softened his heart, and he was able to forgive, and ultimately there was reconciliation. But I think that’s a lot of what soaking does. It just, it soaks off all of the hard places on your heart when you soak in the presence of God, and you know, you go into a different realm that is outside of what your mind might tell you to do, and it gives the Spirit of God time to work.

SID: Tell me briefly about that salesman.

JULIE: Oh yeah. That was cool.

SID: This music takes care of every problem, it seems. Tell me about it.

JULIE: Yeah. This lady was telling about her husband who had taken a part time sales job, and he was really uncomfortable and intimidated by what he was asked to do. And so he started playing my music while he went out on sales calls, and started having incredible sales. He ultimately was hired full time, and he became the top salesperson in their business. And when people would ask him, what’s your secret, he would say, “I played Julie True’s music.” And they were like, who? And so it was pretty amazing.

SID: Your heart is to go deeper into God’s love. Is that really what you’re goal is?

JULIE: Yeah. Because I feel like the core, the thing, the anchor to our whole soul is knowing that we’re loved by God. And if we don’t spend time with Him we don’t know how much he loves us. And the more that you get to know Him and understand how much He loves you, the more that you want to worship Him, and the more time you want to spend with Him. And so, I love that.

SID: Well I want you to lose yourself in the spirit right now. And I want you to hear Julie True, “Where the Waters Flow”. And my Bible says, in Ezekiel, “Wherever the waters flow there’s healing.” Julie True.

Julie [music, singing]: I want to go deeper, Lord into your love tonight. I want to go deeper, Father, into your love tonight. I want to go deeper, Father, into your love tonight. I want to go down to where the waters flow, go to where the waters flow. I want to go deeper, deeper, deeper where the waters flow, where the water seeps into every crack and crevice in my heart. I want to go deeper. I want to go deeper, Lord, into the heart of love, my Father’s love for me. I want to live out of your love for me. Deeper, Lord, deeper Lord, deeper Lord. Oh let the water rise, let the water rise. Let the river rise up in thee. Oh…

SID: My guest, Steve Hill is so hungry for God, he went to the various moves of God throughout the world and he received the same thing these great men and women of God had. And he went to a church, a single church in Pensacola, Florida, and from all over the world, because the word got out, the power of God was there, four million people came to that one single church. Well the devil tried to knock him out. He was on his deathbed. He was preparing the funeral arrangements. And a great miracle happened and he also was given, at that time, a vision. It was like he could see it happening, and it is what is about ready to happen to Planet Earth that he literally feels everyone must understand this vision. Hello. I’m here with Steve Hill, and I’m looking at almost like his rap sheet. At age 10, his dad starts him drinking beer, alcohol. By 12, 13, he’s into hard drugs, injecting drugs into his veins, arrested 13 times. You know, when I read about myself I can’t believe that that was me. You must feel the same way about yourself. That’s not even you.

STEVE: It’s a miracle that all of us are alive and that we made it through it. You know, one of my favorite things to do when I’m in my hometown area, when I would witness to like young men and women that are involved in drugs and alcohol, I would take them, of course if it was a girl, I would take them to somebody else to the graves of my dead friends. And I would talk to them about Carlos. I’d talk to them about Billy. I’d say Billy was 19. You’ll meet a similar fate if you do the same by using those drugs. And I would witness because no one ever believes it’s going to happen to them. No one ever believes. The devil comes to steal, kill and destroy. But he’s patient. He’ll take you on a journey. If he can finally get you there and drop into Hell, that’s his final goal, and it’s a goal he had for my life.

SID: He had a total transformation, and as a result, he had, first of all, there was a key that I noticed. You were mentored by some of the best men of God: David Wilkerson, Leonard Raven-Hill.

STEVE: David Wilkerson, Leonard Raven-Hill are two of the men, to me, they’re my spiritual fathers. And people ask me, they say, why are you the way you are. Well we’re all products of who we’ve been hanging around. And that’s why I say, pick your friends carefully. Okay. And David Wilkerson put me through Bible school, met Leonard Raven-Hill. Nicky Cruz taught us on evangelism. So I was raised around, Raven-Hill was friends with Smith-Wigglesworth.

SID: So it goes on and on. It’s all connected. But another thing I noticed about, you were hungry for God. Whatever he heard there was a move of God. He was there. I mean, a lot of people say, if God wants to do something to me, He’ll come to me. Well he can and will. But I’m so hungry for God. If I hear He’s somewhere, I’m out there. That’s the way Steve was.

STEVE: See, it’s so non-biblical for people to say if God’s going to move, He’s got to come to me. Who do we think we are to say to God. He’s already come. He’s already come down. Okay. And He set it up. We celebrate Christmas Day. He set up the whole pattern. The baby Jesus was there. The shepherds had to come to him. Later on, the wise men had to come to him. And I always tell people, God gave the first altar call. He sets it up to where we got to go to Him. And so I have pursued the Lord all my life.

SID: Let’s take you to Argentina, the revival. You went there. They’ve been in revival more years than I can even remember. But tell me, when you saw Carlos Annacondia.

STEVE: We lived there for seven years during the peak of the Argentine revival, and it’s still moving on. God is still moving. We saw churches go from 500 to 20,000. Just amazing. Started, my wife and I planted 13 churches, built an orphanage. But Carlos Annacondia, when I got around him and [Spanish], and those that speak Spanish, I speak Spanish fluently, my wife and I lived there seven years. But Carlos was insane, and if you’re watching Carlos, that’s a respectful word for you. Okay. He was insane for the things of God. And he’s a man that owns a nuts and bolts factory. And so anyone that feels like you’re common, okay, look at this man. And I went to one of his crusades, in a nutshell, because we talk all day about this man. Went to his crusade, 20, 30,000 out there in an open field, a bunch of just hanging, naked light bulbs hanging everywhere. No big fanfare. Just this man that had authority. He had authority over darkness. And I would watch him in front of tens of thousands of people, and he would go, [Spanish], in the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, [Spanish], I bind you, Satan. And as far as the eye can see, people were hit by the power and thrown the ground. People that were walking down the sidewalks not even paying attention to him would be thrown to the ground, start shaking under the power. And I saw this, and I went, Jesus, whatever this man has, Jesus, Peter, shall heal the sick. And this is the closest thing I’ve ever seen to that. I want what he has, and you’d better get hungry, my friend. If you want to be used of God, you got to have a hunger. You got to have a craving for that. And I got that.

SID: Steve went to these various moves of God. I was hungry. I was overwhelmed with what I saw. Obviously, a lot of other people worldwide were overwhelmed. Four million to that little church in Pensacola, Florida because the power of God was there. Tell me about that girl that had cancer.

STEVE: There are so many stories. I want to talk about this vision that God has just given me, because many, you’re looking for these peaks in your life. The peak in your life is in front of you, not behind you. Okay. There’s more to God than what you have. But the Brownsville revival, we saw millions of people come through. I preached there for five years, saw four million people come through. But they would come in jets. They would come in private jets. They’d some on trains. They’d hitchhike. They came from all over because we had the news, CNN and all these guys covered it. And so they brought the lost in. But this one little girl, 15 years old, came in. She couldn’t have weighed 80 pounds, had a little baseball cap on, dying of cancer. A long story in a nutshell, we did something we never did. We brought her on the platform, thousands of people there that night, and I just felt of the Lord that we needed to lay hands on her. She was going to die. She was sent there as a last request. She wanted to go to Brownsville, not Disney. She didn’t want to go anywhere else but the Brownsville revival. Laid hands on her. Two weeks later, this is before Internet and all this kind of stuff, Internet was out, but it wasn’t Facebook and all, her father sends us a letter, “Just did the PET scans, just did all the scans. All the cancer is gone.” And now years later, we just contacted her and she’s graduated from University. She’s doing fantastic. All the cancer is gone. Now remember, she was given up for dead. And so we’ve just seen so many miracles. I believe, that’s why I love your program, It’s Supernatural. If you don’t believe in the supernatural, you don’t believe in Jesus. I want to say that again. If you don’t believe in the supernatural, you don’t believe in Jesus.

SID: Now you see why the devil tried to take him out. And let me tell you. Something happened to him. I observed him before he developed cancer and it was terminal. There was no chance of him surviving. He was preparing for his funeral, making arrangements with his wife. He is literally on his deathbed. And he cries out to Jesus, and he says, “Jesus, if you want to take me, take me. But if you leave me here and give me my strength back I will win a million souls for you.” And guess what? God answered his prayer. God gave him a vision for the last days. You’d better listen to this.

STEVE: I recently had a supernatural visitation from the Lord. I am under mandate to share with everyone. It’s tearing me up even as we talk right now, because God, I was in Heaven devotions and I was sitting on my couch. I could take you to the exact place. I was sitting on my couch and the Lord, it was early in the morning. No one else was awake in the house. And I closed my eyes and I began to see this color vision come down and just, a vision is just a supernatural experience from God. And He began to download this in my spirit. And I saw this resort, an incredible ski resort, and I opened my eyes because it was so real, Sid. And I opened my eyes and it disappeared. So I closed them again and I began to shake because it was like watching a movie. And I looked up, and I saw above the ski resort, I saw this mountain of snow. Now I’m a skier. I saw this mountain of snow, but it was piled up. It was more than what we needed to ski. And the Lord began to speak to me about the End Times, that this mountain of snow is all the false teaching that is falling on the church right now. And if we don’t do something about it, if we don’t destroy these layers and layers, and layers of snow then it’s going to come crashing down on innocent Christians. And in this vision, the resort was the church. These were people that just came. They came, they paid to be at the resort. We give tithes to be at church. Innocent people are going to die if we don’t do something about this. I can’t believe it’s happening in my lifetime. My daughter, who was in Bible school, one of the teachers stood up and said to the students, said that “Once you’re a Christian you are free to do anything you want. You can do anything you want. You’re free to sin.” And so my daughter is sitting out there and he’s saying, “You’re free to jump in bed with your boyfriend, you’re free to drink, you’re free to do anything you want because the blood covers it all.” And then the deification of man, that is the worship of man. Look at this world today. We’re putting on pedestals all these ministers and all these politicians. It’s a set up for the Antichrist, because in the last days, we are going to worship man, and we’re going to look to him for all the answers. I’m going to tell you right now, Sid, you see it. I see it. It’s clear as day. I can’t believe other people cannot see what’s going on in the world. But we got to get back to something.

SID: And what is that?

STEVE: And that is what we’ve got to do with this avalanche, the spiritual avalanche that could kill millions. We are responsible as leaders, as generals to destroy. And what I saw in the vision, I saw helicopters, I saw snowmobiles and I saw anti-tank weapons blowing up these mountains. And it was as clear as watching a television program. Snow was crumbling down. It was under control because these generals were blowing it up themselves before it blew up and came down, and killed people. I got on the phone, soaked already with tears. My phone was sticking and I talked to the Colorado Ski Patrol and I shared with them my vision. And he said, “Everything you saw, Mr. Hill, is exactly what we do. You saw the ski patrol in action. We’re trying to save their lives.” And he said, “I personally man an anti-tank weapon and my shells shoot five miles, seven, eight kilometers into the mountains to blow them up.” And I’m listening. And this just happened. This is not five, 10, 20 years ago. Then he said this and I close. He lifted his voice like an evangelist and he said, “Can I say something to you, Mr. Hill?” And I said, “Yes sir.” And his voice began to crack like mine is cracking. He said, “Do you want to know why they die?” And I said, “Yes, why do they die?” He said, “Because they don’t listen to me.” He said, “They refused to listen to me. I tell them don’t go up to that mountain, but the go anyway. They go on their snowmobiles. They go on their helicopters.” And he said, “They’re dropped off onto the mountains.” And then he said, “An hour later, I’m digging their corpse out of the snow.” And I told him, I said, “Thank you very much.” And I said, “I do the same thing. I spend my life trying to save lives.” And I bought an avalanche probe, which is a long, long, long, long pole that you drive in the snow. It’s the most wicked device I’ve ever owned in my life. It’s to find dead bodies. It’s to find dead bodies and hopefully find one that’s got just an ounce of breath left, a backslider, spiritually speaking, a prodigal, spiritually speaking, of someone who’s been covered by all this false teaching. And many of you that are watching this you know exactly what I’m talking about. You know what you’re doing is wrong. You know what you’re listening to is wrong. It’s feel good teaching. I am warning you right now, if you are in a church that is allowing you to be free to do anything you want, run for your life. If you’re not in a church that is preaching the whole Gospel, all the words in red, run for your life. If you’ve fallen away from the traditional teachings of your Christian life, get back. Get back to what you used to believe in when you were first a child of God.

SID: I’ve been very burdened over this. I didn’t have a vision. But many godly men and women are burdened over, I’ll call it what it is, what Steve did, it’s false teaching that is flooding the airways, flooding Christianity. But I’m going to tell you something else. I’m going to turn Steve loose to pray for the same power that was on Jesus that rose, Messiah Jesus from the dead that rests on him, that’s about ready to rest on you. Don’t go away.

Sid: My guest is red hot for the Messiah, and by the time you read her book, or listen to her, I believe you’re gonna get infected. Your faith is going to zoom; your understanding of the power and the authority that God has given. You may be facing an impossible situation, if you’re not blink your eyes a few times and you will. Welcome to the human race, but we have a victory. My guests Clarice and Ronnie Holden, I’m speaking to them by way of telephone at their home in Shallotte, North Carolina. Ronnie was on top of the world, if you will. He had been a drug addict, an alcoholic, almost lost everything. Had a visitation from Jesus, set completely free of drugs, completely free of alcohol, red hot for Jesus; his business, everything he touched was prospering, and then on May 8, 2000 a drunk driver hit him. He had got catapulted out of his car, his body was broken, but the worst part was what was going on internally. They didn’t even know it, but peritonitis had set in, he had massive infections, his vital organs were literally rotting on the inside and the doctors didn’t even understand it. So they did an emergency operation and they came back and they told his wife “Clarice he has 3 hours to live.” She would not accept; she did not know what to do; she prayed and God showed her step by step what she had to do to save his life. On yesterday’s broadcast Clarice I said “There had to be some points because you’re human that it seemed hopeless.” Tell me about the worst point.

Clarice: Well it was a morning, early like 3:00 in the morning, and I had just fought so many fights that day. There was so many Code Blues, and after a while it just wore you down, because I never left the hospital. The enemy just come at me so strongly and said “You’ve got plan your husband’s funeral.” I said “No! No! No!” and I went in the restrooms and I started beating on the walls so loud and screaming so loud till I got it down in my spirit that I had to fight. I said “If someone had heard me they would have thought I was crazy.” But you know what, I had to do that, I had to get it out of my system because I was not gonna accept what he was trying to speak whispers into my ear, “That my husband was not gonna make it,” because I knew he would, and he did. I got victory that night, and I came out there was another battle that I had never ever doubted again. We again kept going through different things; the infectious disease doctors were called in because he did have a major infection through his body. The different doctors started asking me to pray, and they were telling me; they even had us praying for people in the Intensive Care because they needed help. It was such a time that our faith was built up that we believed, we just knew that he was gonna be fine. Here Ronnie is, we had him plugged up to healing scriptures, he’s in a coma, but people if your loved one’s in a coma think faith. I spoke faith, I wouldn’t let nobody come in there that did not believe the way I believed. I said “Do not be crying and wringing your hands. He is a healed man, he is healed.”

Sid: But there was a point though where you and your prayer partner Sandy were literally exhausted. You were standing in the hallway and you started hearing someone singing. Tell me about that.

Clarice: Yes, we actually started singing Sid. We were singing “He is the God That Healeth Thee.” This was our scripture. We sung the word of God, the truth to him, and over it. There was something going on in there and we knew it. It was Sandy and myself, my nephew. There was this lady, she was this cleaning lady, and as we were singing she was coming up and down the hallway just mopping and singing. We would sing “He is the God That Healeth Thee,” and she said “Amen, praise God thank you Jesus, thank you Jesus” is what she’d say. It was really strange because the elevator was right there. Well the elevator would come up and open up, and nobody come out, this is 3:00 in the morning. Nobody would come out, and it would go down, and it would come up, and nobody would be coming out. It was an eerie time, but we just felt the presence of God. That lady was such a precious lady. The next morning I asked them “I just wanted to know that lady’s name, to thank her.” I said “When is she coming back on,” and I explained, and they said “Mam there is nobody that works here like that.” I said “Yes there is” and I explained it to them. They said “No mam not anybody here that looks like that.”

Sid: What type of feeling did you have when she was “Amening” and she was there, and the elevator was opening and closing by itself? What was going on in your spirit.

Clarice: It was jumping. My spirit was jumping up and down because your you know how your faith when it starts…

Sid: Are you telling me that was an angel?

Clarice: Sid I don’t know if she was an angel or not, but I felt the presence of God, and I have never been able to find this lady.

Sid: Now your husband, from what I understand started getting better.

Clarice: He did.

Sid: You know what, would you put Ronnie on right now

Clarice: I sure will.

Sid: because he’s in a coma for 21 days and his wife and her prayer partner are praying for all there worth. The doctors are saying “He’s starting to get better,” but you were having your own experiences Ronnie with angels. Tell me about that.

Ronnie: Well it was very strange, I never knew I had been in a wreck I was unconscious. I could see my room, and remember I had this huge hospital room and I had a picture window from ceiling to the floor. My bed was jacked up and I could see out the window overlooking the harbor. I remember thinking the last time I was at this hospital it was 3 miles from the river, they must be having more business they’ve built more since I’ve been here. I would lay there and watch the boats in the harbor and these people would come into the room, mostly 2, sometime it would be 3 people come into the room. They just sat around and read the paper they looked like ordinary people that just sat with me, but I didn’t know who they were. One day I just heard His word spoken to me saying “I sent My angels to watch over you.” I remember since then I had just relief that I knew I was going to be okay. They looked just like regular people; they stayed with me all day, and at first it seemed like they started leaving at night. Then they would come and take me down to the harbor. We would leave the hospital at 5:00, and they’d take me down to the dock. They had like a 100ft. schooner tied up there. I grew up around boats love boats. I just felt like something God sent to comfort me. They took me on the schooner at night, and I had this stateroom it had teak and mahogany it was just polished it would just shine. I would look outside the window and see the moonlight and see the water outside. I hadn’t had anything to eat or drink in about 30 days. I reckon I was craving to eat even though I was unconscious, but they had bowls of fruit, and I remember the fruit tasted so good it just run down my mouth it felt like. They had the ice water, and then I was standing out on the boat. The next morning they said “We have to go back to the hospital,” and we went back to the room and they stayed with me in the room, and they were there constantly.

Sid: Now you were in a situation… Would you put Clarice back on? Ronnie was in a situation where remember he was given 3 hours to live. So he’s in a coma for 21 days, ever since that cleaning woman showed up he started getting better. He’s having visitations from angels. Now Clarice you didn’t know all this was going on with the angels did you?

Clarice: No I didn’t.

Sid: So what happened at the end of the 21 days that he was in a coma?

Clarice: Well right before he came out of the coma that… Like I said it got worse again. That particular night I just walked in there, they were working on him again. Sid I just fell to my knees in the middle of that Intensive Care room, this big circle, and I tell you that I just cried out to God and you know what, I did not care that there were a lot of people in there. That’s what makes the difference, God knew my heart. I didn’t care I was after one thing getting my husband healed. That time, Ronnie, he was kind of bad and I went in I started talking to him and I said “Ronnie you have got to fight” because he was kind of failing again, it was kind of going downhill. I was screaming at him “I’ve done everything I can do you have got to fight!” I want him to tell you what happened to him that night.

Sid: Okay Ronnie what happened that night?

Ronnie: One night, I don’t remember when it was. The angels were in the room and this big man came through the door. He looked like he was 7 foot tall, dark skinned he looked Italian;he had like an Armani suit on really dressed. I had a very uneasy feeling when he came in I just felt an uneasiness. He went over and just leaned against the wall and just looked at me. I heard them talking about the angel of death, and he stood there and he started towards the bed, and the angels got up and stood between he and the bed where I was laying on. They started talking to him, and he glanced and he finally went back out the door. I remember such a relief when he left.

Sid: Our time is up.