Sid Roth

SID:  Hello, Sid Roth your investigative reporter here with Tommy Tenney. Just before the break Tommy, he was saying it was not a formula; you were saying it’s a relationship. In other words you can’t say ABC and you will have favor with God. You can say ABC to have a relationship. These are some of the things that God is looking for. Tell me how we can have this relationship?

TOMMY:  It’s like; you know this is a little program thing of what you and I are talking about. If everything in a marriage I have to write down, and you have to check list every morning: Kiss my wife at the door; make sure of a phone call,

SID:  Flowers for her birthday…

TOMMY:  Yeah, if it’s that regimented, it’s a ritual and not a relationship. And God refuses…

SID:  Aren’t humans subject to ritual. Don’t we love tradition?

TOMMY:  Yes.  We do.

SID:  Of course we Jewish people have the corner on the market, but you Christians have taken it a step further than us, I think

TOMMY:  Well, we love our traditions.  It’s like you’re in church and at a particular moment, they sing a song. It could have been a year ago, ten years ago, and you love that song. The next Sunday you maybe send a note and say sing that song again. Now, I understand, and the worship leader probably understands too, it’s not the song. It’s, you want that song to take you to the same place it previously took you.   But I don’t know if you’ve noticed, Sid, you can sing the same song, but it may not take you to the same place. It’s as if God moves the door on you.  Usually behind us sometimes, there’s draperies, like at a hotel; you can’t find the opening. You have to run your fingers across the pleat of the veil, until you find the opening. And God moves that door on you so that relationship does not deteriorate into ritual; that you have to feel after Him every time. That’s why women think men are unpredictable to some degree; men think women are unpredictable. That’s the magic of a relationship. And with God it’s the same.

SID:  Now, I know you’ve been studying, like myself the book of Esther for years, it’s one of my favorite books.  But when did it dawn on you that there’s a correlation between favor and Esther.

TOMMY:  Okay.  Looking for the equation, looking for what’s really not there. Esther found incredible favor in a hostile environment.  Sid, Esther was an orphan.  That means the deck was stacked against her. She was not only an orphan; she was a foster child. Everybody knows foster children don’t have half a chance. She was a minority; she was a Jew living in Persia. And in case our viewers don’t understand, that’s ancient Iraq and Iran, and the same prejudices that exist today, existed then.  For a Jewish lady to become queen of Persia, it’s unprecedented.   But she rose above all those obstacles.  Somewhere between 400 and 1400 other young girls were brought into the palace.  How did she get picked? What happened to create that moment of favor? And I thought if I study how Esther operated, maybe I’d figure my wife out a little better; maybe I can figure out this whole thing with God. And I found out that she is an incredible, incredible lady. And I’ve been studying…the word favor is the repetitive word in the book of Esther, it’s found in virtually every chapter. And it’s how a peasant girl was plucked up off of a farm, so to speak, placed into a palace, into an unfamiliar environment, learned, and here is the key:  she learned the protocols of the palace. She learned how to act in the king’s presence, where to walk, where not to walk, what to do. And then rose above all that; the Bible says in Esther 2:17, the king loved Esther above all the women, so that he placed the royal crown on her head.  There came a day, now I do feel the anointing about this, there came a day, where Esther walked into the palace a peasant, and she had one encounter with the king, and walked out queen. Never underestimate the potential of one encounter.  One night with the king can change everything.

SID:  And here people are focused on their problems, because their problems for some it’s health, life threatening, it’s marriage, it’s children and drugs.

TOMMY:  Here’s the secret about that:  One of the most freeing statements that I’ve ever discovered I learned from studying the book of Esther. Sid, people that are watching, you don’t need everybody to like you. I want that to sink in.

SID:  Say it again.

TOMMY:  You don’t need everybody to like you.  Your boss may say it’s over

SID: It’s normally not in the five-point sermon “You don’t need everybody to like you…”

TOMMY:  But listen, your boss may say it’s over, your spouse may say we’re through; your doctor may say I’ve done all I know how to do, but one nod from God. What if God were to look your direction and just do this.  One nod from God is worth more that an arena’s applause from mankind. You don’t need everybody to like you, but in terms of what we are talking about with Esther, if the king likes you, it doesn’t matter who dislikes you. They cannot control your destiny.

SID:  But one thing can control your destiny.  One nod from God can change the impossible to “How come I couldn’t believe it before?  It’s easy when God gives me favor.  We’ll be back right after this, and there is a presence of God on Tommy’s wife’s singing from the brand new movie about Esther.  We’re going to show a clip from it.  We’ll be back just a moment; don’t go away. You’re about ready to experience the supernatural.

SID:  Hello, Sid Roth your investigative reporter here with Tommy Tenney and this is unlike any television show you’ve ever seen because it’s interactive. What do I mean by interactive?  Normally you are used to sitting back on your couch and kicking off your shoes and saying “Come on, entertain me.” Well this is two-way communication, which the supernatural will literally go through your television set and people will be physically healed and physically touched by the presence of the living God. Now my guest, Tommy Tenney, I believe just as in the book of Esther, it says, “Who knows if you’ve not been called to the kingdom for such a time as this.” The reason I have him on this show is not because he has a best selling series of books “The God-Chasers.” It’s not because he is about to do a Hollywood motion picture with Peter O’Toole, on the book of Esther, it’s not because his books on the Esther series are becoming best sellers. It’s none of the above.  It’s one reason and one reason only. Somehow, someway, Tommy Tenney has touched the heart of God and where he goes he walks in supernatural favor. And I believe that if we can talk to him and pull out of him what he has learned in his adventure with God, some of you will begin walking with God in an extraordinary fashion. As a matter of fact, Tommy Tenney, if someone were to say to you, “What is the purpose of your life thus far, you would say?” 

TOMMY:  To find my assignment and fulfill it. 

SID:  And what is your assignment? 

TOMMY:  I love to teach people about the presence of God and to give them a road map of how to enter His presence, and what pleases God. 

SID:  Now, before you became a best selling author I have to believe that you experienced the presence of God and were probably teaching on it before anyone ever heard the name Tommy Tenney beyond little areas that knew it. Am I right? 

TOMMY:  Absolutely.  I have been in ministry 32 years and people only have heard about me about the past ten years and they said, “You’ve an overnight success.” 

SID:  Right. 

TOMMY:  I wanted to slap them and say, “You have no idea how long that night was.”   It really is not all about that, it is just that all of a sudden, I’m saying the same things, it’s that all of a sudden everybody wants to listen. But God puts you through school, so that you thoroughly learn what your assignment is and you stay on that theme. And God gives me particular themes to preach on and that’s what I do. And not just preach; write. 

SID:  Was there a point in your life, Tommy, where you can say there was a measurable difference in your own intimacy with God and in the favor God put in your life? 

TOMMY:  But they didn’t come together. 

SID:  Explain. 

TOMMY:  There was a sense of, it was three phases. There was a sense of incredible hunger, and ironically Sid, it was nine months of that kind of hunger.  Birthed an incredible experience to which I can.. 

SID:  Would you say that God put the desire that hunger within you, or was it an act of your will? 

TOMMY:  Oh, it was a combination of circumstances.  God does not mind sacrificing our comfort to develop our character, or point us to our assignment. And I went through nine months of a frustrating period in my life and got so desperately hungry that I really prioritized God, and all of a sudden He showed up in a way unprecedented. I had know God, I was saved been in ministry nearly twenty years at that point. 

SID:  And I know just as you are saying that, I’m like most of us can feel the presence of God. And just as you said the word unprecedented I felt the presence just zoom right up. Just as you said that, I guess just remembering what God did. 

TOMMY:  I have some interesting experiences Sid.  I’m in airports all the time. I was in London last week, and I’m sitting on an airplane and my assistant is beside me, and on the opposite side of him is, what I didn’t know then but what I now know is a professional soccer player. I’m talking to my assistant, actually he’d made a mistake, and I said, “You really can’t do that.” And this professional soccer player leans around and he says, “That voice, I know who you are, I know what you do. And I said, “Why?” And he said, “Your voice carries something.” And he was a believer.   I don’t even know about it, I have no clue, I’m just who I am.  I tell about God, I tell His stories 

SID:  But you had that hunger.  But tell me the time that it just increased? The power where people sensed it, where you just had that favor with God? 

TOMMY:  Well, after hunger comes an encounter. If you handle the encounter properly, comes favor. And that’s what happened in my life. I tell people, you know, we talk about my past. If I knew what created the favor, I would have pushed those buttons twenty years earlier. 

SID:  Of course. 

TOMMY:  But it’s not about me, so the fact that is not about how smart I am… 

SID:  You know what?  I believe that if you had pushed those buttons twenty years earlier, you might have failed the test. 

TOMMY:  That’s right. 

SID:  You needed the gray hair and the experiences… 

TOMMY:  Well, experience births humility because you realize you are not the one who created or caused that moment. I had an incredible encounter with God.  And everything in my life, it’s now, instead of shouting and people still not listening, I can speak quietly and, people listen. 

SID:  Tell me, when this was, and if you have any ideal of the ingredients that caused it? 

TOMMY:  Sid, I would be remiss to sit here and tell you there is a formula, there is not. It is not about an equation, it is about a relationship.  If I have to enumerate; if I have to

SID:  I’ll tell you what, hold that thought. We’ll be back in just a moment but he is going to tell you how you can have intimacy with God, favor with God.  We’ll be right back after this. 

SID: Do you know I was just thinking there is no time in eternity? We’re the only people that have time, and during this period in which we have time. So many things are grabbing at our emotions, our feelings, so many things happening on earth right now. So many things happening in our families, so many crisis coming on, but I have a guest, Lance Wallnau, who is a specialist in teaching people how to move from the natural, your current circumstances, get your focus right, and move, transition to the supernatural: In A Heartbeat. We just heard a prophetic word, this same prophet prophesied over a man that was thinking about running for state senator, Lance, tell me about this.

LANCE: Kim had delivered the word to Michael Krause, and he and his wife were considering two issues: having children and his career, and Kim gave the word they were going to have a son named Caleb and that he would walk in the same political steps as his father. Well that confirmed two important issues, and so Michael went off to the campaign trail and proceeded after a couple of months of hard campaigning to fall down with a heart attack, literally, I’ve got a video tape he just sent me because I interviewed him in Georgia last month, just to get the details straight. He was unconscious some 32 minutes without a heartbeat or oxygen to the brain.

SID: So that means he was brain dead.

LANCE: Brain dead, physically dead, you know you don’t recover from that; that is what CPR is all about, get the heart and keep the oxygen moving. So he is in the hospital, they have of course you know a monitor with a clock, so they can see how many minutes are going by, he’s in there and his wife comes in with the prophesy, see what gets your attention, gets you. There are only two states any believer can be in: resourceful or un-resourceful, when we are un-resourceful we shut up the spirit, we clam. You know we kind of freeze so that God can’t communicate an answer because we are in trauma, but if we can learn to operate in a resourceful state by focusing on what the Spirit says to do next, those do next, do next, do next steps lead to miracles.

SID: So what he is saying right now is that no circumstance is impossible, you are looking at why it is impossible, there is a much better place to look. Go ahead.

LANCE: Absolutely, the Jews saw the giants in the land, and though they had miracles behind them, they said we were as grasshoppers in our sight. The key there is how you define the situation is the way the situation will end up defining you.

SID: So what happens to this dead man now, who was supposed to have a son by the name of Caleb, and was supposed to be a state senator?

LANCE: The wife takes the prophetic word; she is in a resourceful state, she pushes her way past security, who is fighting with her because the doctor’s are trying to resuscitate a dead man, and she grabs him by the leg,

SID: Which is not an easy thing to do!

LANCE: You have to have compassion on those doctors. And while this delirious Pentecostal is prophesying, security is trying to pull her out, this senator is having a vision, but the prophesy I want you to catch is she is saying the word of the Lord says, you are going to have a son and your son is going to be named Caleb, and he is going to walk in the same steps as his father, we are going to raise him together, together, so she is emphasizing the unfulfilled purpose that yet was on this dead man’s life. Now while that is happening, the senator is out of his body; he is in a vision. He sees seven islands – those seven islands become seven mountains, one great mountain appears behind him and Jesus speaks and says that mountain, that great mountain, is the mountain of my kingdom, and it is greater than all the kingdoms of this world. Those seven mountain are seven world kingdoms, and you are called to go into that one, and he points, it is the political mountain, and then the Lord says, if there is a “but” ever in heaven, I heard it with this vision, Jesus said but there must be agreement. See the power of agreement with what God shows you is what gets you through the contradiction of the circumstance you are presently going through.

SID: How can two walk together unless they be agreed? Go ahead.

LANCE: Exactly, and Ken has shared with me that he calls this thing optical fusion, it’s when you see what God sees, it enables you to be able to say what God showed you, so prophetically we must embrace a visionary life.

SID: So, what’s happening with this corpse that his wife is there?

LANCE: As Jesus says there must be agreement, she shifts her strategy, once again when you are working out of resourcefulness, you are open to the next thing. She stops prophesying, ‘cause that is not working, and she says, “Michael in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ come back into your body now.” She commands him to come back into his body, he says goodbye, he’s back in his body, the heartbeat comes back on the monitor; they got a man now who is resuscitated. Longest living brain dead person, thump.

SID: Now if that had been you, and that was your husband dead at the table, do you know what you would be doing? You would go to pieces. But what should someone do? Let’s suppose they didn’t have a prophetic word, what should someone do?

LANCE: You know this is the amazing things, that we tend to react based on our conditioning, all of these responses are conditioned, which is why what I am believing here is important, is believers need to know that you always respond in crisis based upon the way you respond to everything. What gets your focus always gets your state, so if you are in the habit of disempowering self-talk, and we speak at the rate of 1500 words per minute, Sid, that means that as fast as you talk or I talk people are already jumping to conclusions and spinning around Dallas faster than we can get there, because the mind is thinking faster than even human words speak, in that 150 words you are either creating an environment that is going to be conducive to empowering and perceiving God’s utterance, or you are creating a climate that is conducive to fear and negativity. As soon as circumstances go bad, the average person doesn’t call for the elders of the church, I mean forget a prophecy, let’s just go to the scripture, we don’t call for the elders, we call for the undertaker.

SID: Of course, what is the feedback you are getting on people that are listening to “In A Heartbeat” and are doing what it says?

LANCE: I’m surprised, I’m surprised because the people that actually are listening to it and applying it, are noticing that they have an overcoming capacity to shift their condition, in here and in here, so that their circumstances shift. The people that are applying it are telling me that their lives are changed because they now have command of the environment rather than praying to God to change the environment.

SID: So many people give up and you give up too soon, let me tell you what happened to me, I told Lance I was going to surprise him, a couple of nights ago, I’m ready to go to bed, and I feel my heart racing, literally racing, pump, pump, pump, pump. I know something is up, so I have a little Handy-Dandy blood pressure monitor, I put the thing on, and it is not high, it is outrageous! I’m debating, should I get in the car and go to the hospital, I’m doing okay, but this is off the charts. What should I do? And I started thinking about Lance’s teaching and I started saying to myself prophetic words that people had spoken over me, I started, and you say no one has ever spoken a prophetic word over me, huh, you got a whole book called the Bible, take the 91st Psalm, you’ve got enough there to take care of every problem that could possibly come against you, everything is covered there, so I decide I’m going to go to bed, I go to bed, I fall asleep, an hour later I wake up and my heart is pounding, pound, pound, pound, pound. What am I going to do? And I decided I am going to just rehearse the promises of God, I mean this may sound foolish to the natural mind, but that’s what I did, and you know what happened when I was saying these promises of God to myself, I fell asleep, and guess what happened when I woke up? It was morning, and when it was morning I went and I took my blood pressure and it was lower than normal. I tell you, In A Heartbeat.

LANCE: Exactly, exactly, you know they tell you about the plague, you know the bird, you know the news media makes a living off of cultural hypnosis, they traumatize you, then they re-traumatize you, and then they re-traumatize you, it’s like selling aspirin, or selling drugs, because it works when there is trauma, so everybody watches the news, how many times could you see those planes going into the building. A friend of mine said the easiest evangelism he ever did in New York was a week after 911 because everybody’s head was like this looking in their mind at those planes going into the building, it was not a problem evangelizing, because it’s a traumatized culture. If you don’t choose what gets your attention, the culture will choose it for you. Jesus’ words in the last days was “possess ye your souls.” Now think about that, you possess your soul. The possession of your soul was the command he gave you for the last days.

SID: Are you saying to me that the Messiah has already moved, are you saying to me the Messiah has already done everything he is going to do, are you saying to me that it is finished, are you saying to me that he is waiting on you. Number one, if you just know about him, if you just believe in him, there is more, there is so much more, and just between you and him you can come to know the Messiah of Israel, you can come to have intimacy with him, you can have intimacy with the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, and in a heartbeat you can change your world. You love your world so much, how would you like your marriage changed, how would you like your relationship with your children changed, how would you like to see your health situation changed? How long is it going to take Lance? In

LANCE: In a heartbeat; that fast.

SID: That fast, I tell you that I know God’s word is true, let every man be a liar, but God’s word is true, and there is something breathing in your right now, the Lord is breathing in your right now, it’s the spirit and love of God right now is breathing into you, go for it, go for intimacy with God. Remember if it’s not natural, consider it supernatural.

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SID: I hope you were just with us, I had Lance Wallnau on, as I still do, and Lance was in Israel and he heard a prophetic word from God; he literally heard God speak, I mean why should that be so unusual to you? Because the Bible says, my sheep, here’s what Jesus said, “my sheep hear my voice”, and I tell you that you hear His voice all the time, but this was a clear booming, Charlton Heston, Ten Commandments type of voice that Lance heard, and what he heard was, you see those children frolicking in the pool in Israel, when they come of age, what will happen?

LANCE: The greatest move of God that has happened in history is going to happen in Israel.

SID: So not only did Lance hear this, but I want you to hear a prophetic word from a friend of his, tell me about Kim Clement as a prophet.

LANCE: Kim is, probably in my opinion, one of the preeminent authorities on hearing and speaking the voice of the Lord. Has an Elijah like mantle where he prophecies by words of knowledge, he hears the utterance, so he will not bubble one up necessarily, it is not his gift. He hears it and speaks it.

SID: Okay, where did this prophecy take place? What were the circumstances?

LANCE: This prophecy as others he just recently told me, have been coming out of Hollywood which strikes me as interesting.

SID: Hollywood?

LANCE: Because it had to do more with the Jewish people, more of a revelation coming about Israel when he is there on that platform than in any city.

SID: Isn’t that interesting? Here Hollywood has been used, and many Jewish people as we know are in the entertainment industry, so Hollywood has been used unfortunately for things that people that don’t have intimacy with God might do. But what will happen, well, I want you to hear this word, let’s go to this prophetic word by Kim Clement.

And just lately I’ve been shouting out amongst the crowds that we go to, Yeshua, the name of Jesus. Why am I doing this? Because I’m feeling that the nation of Israel is going to have a moment, an opportunity, to meet the Messiah on a national and international scale. Some of the greatest apostles are going to come from a Damascus Road experience and are going to be Jewish people. Do you understand that God has not forgotten about them? God will not forget about them, He said just watch and see, there is going to be a raising up of Messianic Jews, if you will, and they will preach the gospel as no man has preached the gospel. Come on!

SID: I tell you I don’t know what’s going on with you right now, I don’t know what’s going on with you right now, Lance, but I, what’s going on with me is there is a fire in my bones, and as I said to you earlier on the telephone when I was interviewing you a few months back, this generation, it’s ready to pop like popcorn and I can see it just happening, but simultaneous with that there is a lot of destruction coming, and the thing that, you don’t know this, and I saved this show to tell you, but this teaching I believe could very well possibly have saved my life, and I’ll tell everyone about that in a moment but it’s called “In a Heartbeat” tell me how you happened to come up with this teaching.

LANCE: On September 10th, the day before September 11th, I was in an International Management Seminar in Hawaii, and I went out to lay out at the Conconacki Hilton, and as I laid out on a lounge, the Spirit of the Lord just intuitively, you know how God just pops you, had me sit up. I sat up, and an eighty pound branch flew right behind my head, boom, and smashed. People that were walking by thought that I was killed but I had sat up just before the branch came down. And a wing blew past me, that was ominous in its presence and I sensed what is this; should I not be in Hawaii, and right away the Lord spoke to me and said, “though a thousand fall at your side, and ten thousand at your left hand, it will not come near you.” And suddenly I went from panic to elation, when I realized that whatever got my attention was what was going to get my condition. And that moment, instead of being anxious and fearful about what almost happened, I went into joy instantly. I did not know the next day the subject of the management seminar was “Emotional Mastery,” and I listened to the worlds authorities talk about how to deal with crisis as news came in that their office at the World Trade Center was just caught, we had people listening to cell phone messages Sid, that were live from that morning, coming to Hawaii. And that was when the Lord spoke to me and said, “This is an hour when the spirit of terror and fear is loosed on the earth, chose your focus wisely, take heed what you hear and how you hear and you will move in an extraordinary level of accuracy in the Spirit, if you chose what gets your attention, that was the beginning of the teaching.

SID: And I have to tell you, as I listened to this teaching, there were many things that I knew, but what you believe is the supernatural should be natural in the marketplace, in every arena of life.

LANCE: Absolutely, absolutely.

SID: And unfortunately too many people are relying on Christianity as entertainment sport, rather than spectator sport, and the times we are living in right now it could cost you your life if you are not doing that. I tell you that you can, you know how fast is a heartbeat? How fast is a heartbeat?

LANCE: I would say when you click your fingers; that’s how fast your state changes, depending on what gets your attention.

SID: Okay, we’re going to get your attention, we’ll be right back after this word and you are going to get some understanding how you can switch from the natural – to the supernatural, don’t you dare switch this television set, you have to find out, be right back.

SID: Hello Sid Roth here with Lance Wallnau. Now you would have to be a zombie, you would have to be dead not to realize what is going on, on planet earth. Since 911 there has been a change, anyone who reads the newspaper recognizes it’s a new age; it’s an age of fear. Look at this bird flu: no one knows where that’s going to end, look at the hurricanes that we’ve had, an entire city in the United States just literally obliterated. Look what’s going on in Iran, I mean we know what’s going on in Iraq, but you know what’s going on in Iran? They’ve got missiles that can go to Israel and they are like this close to having atomic bombs, I mean the world has never been in such a precarious place, but I have good news for you. I have a guest, Lance Wallnau, who has a series on how to get out of the circumstances around you, not to be an ostrich, but how to literally move into the supernatural, you know how long it is going to take? In A Heartbeat. So Lance, you are minding your own business, you are fasting for forty days, what are you, some kind of spiritual superman or something? And you go to a meeting and a prophet walks up to you from Israel of all places, and what does he say?

LANCE: The prophet pulls me out of the crowd and says, “God is going to use you to reach your people,” assuming that I knew I had a Jewish background, at which point I didn’t know I had a Jewish background, and so I had grown up in the Episcopal church, and I looked at him quizzically and said, “I’m going to be reaching Episcopalians?” And he said, “Not Episcopalians, Jewish people.” I said, “Jewish people?” He said, “Go home and ask your father.” It was a word of knowledge he got. So it was a Full Gospel Businessmen’s Meeting in Hershey, I stepped out into the lobby, I called my father who is an attorney in Philadelphia, I said, “So Dad, I just got a word from a missionary from Israel who says that I should talk to you about my Jewish background.” There is this awful silence on the other end of the phone, and he says to me, which I knew right away was an indicator, he said, “Why don’t you come home and we will talk about that.”

SID: Oh, oh, so you know that he knows something you don’t know?

LANCE: Exactly, and now everybody on TV knows what he may not want them to know.

SID: All right, you know, and so what did he say?

LANCE: Well I go home and he’s got his office, he shuts the door, right away I know it is a serious meeting; a lawyer shuts the door, it’s confidential. I sit down and he said, “No one has asked me, none of your brothers have asked me,” he said, “Before I talk to you I want them to have the courtesy of finding out for themselves. Somehow you found out. Yes it’s true.” He pulls out a family tree, shows me the Cohen’s, and Moses Leo Wallnau, how they immigrated from Germany to Philadelphia, met in Philadelphia, married in Philadelphia and that was his grandparents who produced his lineage. And he decided that he wanted to break away from the Jewish persecution, being raised in the south, he saw the business disadvantages with Jews and he changed his name, from Morris Leo to Carl Newman.

SID: So now that you find out, what does he say to you?

LANCE: Well, it’s a quizzical response, on the one hand he is delighted that there are people that actually are enthusiastic about Jewish believers and Jesus, which is an oddity to him entirely, however he cautions me.

SID: You know what was an oddity 2000 years ago don’t you? Gentiles could be saved, imagine the nerve of those Gentiles, they can believe in our Jesus; I mean read about it in the Book of Acts, the whole, everything goes full circle, right Lance?

LANCE: It’s the truth, and his only caution was to sustain an element of realism about my enthusiasm, that not everybody is going to be happy about Jewish people no matter what era or group I hang out with. Which is probably true, there is a prejudice even among Christians that I’ve found, trying to eliminate Israel as a player in history, even Biblical prophecy, so I have discovered that that prejudice still is there and he cautioned me not to be overly optimistic about discovering my roots and the implications of someone celebrating that.

SID: But you had told me he said one other thing to you; that never forget your Jewish side or something to that effect.

LANCE: Well that’s right, he said, “Never forget this, that for the rest of your life you will have it in ink. You will have an instinctive rapport with Jewish people, and it’s in your DNA, it’s in your bones, it’s in your identity, you will know it because you will feel it.”

SID: So man, you are minding your own business and you go to your new homeland, Israel, and you go to a swimming pool, and you are looking at the kids frolicking and having fun and all of a sudden you hear a voice.

LANCE: Yeah, the voice, sixteen years ago, I’m in the pool and I, like a lot of Christians, I wanted to have a sentimental spiritual experience; but I didn’t do a Christian tour, I just went to go see the country and it’s raw essence, and while I was in Arad, in a pool, I was kind of feeling; sixteen years ago, it was like, it wasn’t, I would say it was a tight spiritual environment, that’s what I felt. And I said Lord, what about the Israel harvest, are you going to move in Israel? And I turned my head, saw a child, children about three- years-old to six-years-old playing. The Lord spoke very clearly, “When that generation becomes the generation that is the adult in Israel, I am going to move in a great move of My Spirit.” And I believe He was saying the greatest move of His Spirit was going to happen with that generation of Israeli, when they grow up to the age of being adults. So I sat back and looked at that and just thought wow. Now my wife was pregnant on that trip with a son who was born right after that event, after that word, he is sixteen. And I literally can watch the era of that generation growing and growing and growing to the point where they are becoming teenagers, getting drivers licenses right now.

SID: And you were doing an interview show with me, and you said I was one of the first people to ask a question, what was that?

LANCE: Yeah, you know what is God saying to you about Israel? And no one had asked me that before and it forced me to have to go back to, and I was honest with you, I mean I would love to say something current; I said the last thing I heard was sixteen years ago. God spoke to me and said, “When that generation becomes an adult, when that generation becomes of age, my greatest move is going to be happening in Israel.” And that was when you stung me by saying, “Well Lance, how long ago was that?’ I said about sixteen years. And you said, “Well how old are they now?” I hadn’t thought about it, because I kept picturing, you know, that swimming pool, but then I looked at my son and I thought, “They are coming of age, the age is now.”

SID: I tell you the age is now and what does that mean to you? It means plenty because Israel is God’s time clock when you see Jewish people red hot for Jesus, I tell you that that middle wall of separation comes down between Jew and Gentile and what Jesus said, I pray that theses may be one. Who? Baptists and Catholics? No, they didn’t exist when Jesus prayed that prayer in John 17:21. I pray that they might, who is they? Jews and Gentiles, I mean give me a break. I pray that Jews and Gentiles might be one so the world will believe. When that occurs, the next verse says, and the same glory, the same presence of God my Father that is on me will be on them. You think this is something, wait till you hear this prophetic word from Kim Clement, I tell you the hair on your hands, so you got hair on your hands, is going to stand up, don’t go away I’ll be right back.

SID: Sid Roth with Shawn Bolz. I am fascinated by his visitation to heaven, I am fascinated by this angel’s visitation to him, I am fascinated by, in your book Keys to Heaven’s Economy, you talk about the storehouse of Heaven, explain that.

SHAWN: Part of the visitation that I had is that the angel took me into a place that I believe is an allegory of Heaven and it was a place of provision called the storehouse of heaven and he was like the foreman of the storehouse, and in the storehouse was everything Jesus would need in our age to get the fullness of His reward, so the first part of the storehouse that I went to was a room of body parts, physical body parts, whether it was an eyeball, a liver, a hand, a foot, and it was the provision of, if you think about Heaven, is there a need for healing in Heaven? No, cause in Heaven

SID: So why is it there?

SHAWN: So why is it there? So we can call it forth here on earth as it is in Heaven, the whole

SID: Since that time have you done this, have you called,

SHAWN: Yes

SID: Tell me one, only one.

SHAWN: One of the stories is a good friend of mine named Charlotte Bartow, and Charlotte was with us in Chicago and we were talking about this to the believers there, I said I am not just a gifted guy who can do this, all of us can do this so if you have had a promise that you were going to move in supernatural healing I want you to come forward and you are going to pray for the terminally ill, and Charlotte was terminally ill with a liver condition and she needed a liver transplant, and as we began to pray I saw this woman who was praying for her calling forth a liver on earth as it was in Heaven, she somehow accessed by her faith and by her heart and love for Charlotte this realm of the spirit, because Charlotte is not called to die right now she is called to live. And I saw this with the woman, we both saw this liver come down, and Charlotte’s body transformed in front of us, she went and got a doctor’s report and she was completely healed with a brand new liver.

SID: What else did you see in the storehouse? He’s doing good.

SHAWN: Well we went for another, I believe that creative miracles are a part of it, but I also, we went for another, there was medical science, so it wasn’t just the miraculous of the faith camp, but it was also, I believe that God is investing right now in cures, I believe He has cures for diseases that the secular scientists, the medical scientists are going to find, there was a cure for cancer in that room.

SID: So you are saying to me if there is a young person watching us right now and if they are seeking God for these giftings, that’s one gifting they could get, is that what you are saying.

SHAWN: That’s right, that’s medical science, they may go in and discover something and people will ask them how did you discover that and they won’t have a book to write about it, they will just say God showed me. I went on this journey with God and God showed me how to pursue science and I found this.

SID: How about music, was there any?

SHAWN: We went into this place that I would call, it was almost an overlapping to the traditional Throne Room that people see many times in Heaven, that’s been on of the traditional visitations that people have had through history, and we went into the throne room and there was music and sounds that I have never heard before, with instruments that I have never heard before, and it would probably offend some people, because there was some very modern sounds and then there was some very classical sounds in the same room, and there was sounds and ways to put together music that have never been done yet and it is going to take somebody who uses secular study along with an inspired heart to find some of these sounds, some people will get it naturally, some people will have talent, but I saw some people who would go into a musical theory, and they would find it in the midst of studying, and so some people are going to be called to pursue the music industry, and understand it and the science behind it, not just you know, by gifting or by talent alone, but I believe people are going to get an impartation, they are going to hear something and bring together something to church, the institution of church has never seen before.

SID: Is this kind of tied in with computers, or did you see anything about computers?

SHAWN: I did, I saw, I did see computers involved with a lot of the music that is going to come out, I believe that live music and recorded music is going to come together in live events, and I believe that there is going to be, I mean there is this one type that wasn’t all it’s going to be, but there was this one types was, there would be people who had access to millions of sounds on the computer data base that they could bring into a live event and to stimulate what is going on at a live event to cause people’s hearts to awaken in deeper ways emotionally and spiritually.

SID: How about money to do these things?

SHAWN: Well see I believe that when God shows us what we are called to, that creates the void that we need for provision for it to happen and we have to call upon Him and it’s available, it’s available to us. And I believe that He is going to start using supernatural ways to, a conductor if you will, or like a conduit from Heaven to earth, He is going to show us where to find the money and the resources because He loves these projects more than we do, He wants them more than we do. I believe that Solomon’s temple was a picture of it, that when God wanted the temple to be built, He brought the greatest resources know to man all in one location so that the glory of God could be demonstrated in one place, then He could dwell with man, and I believe our generation we are going see something again, where the greatest resources whether it be the movie industry, whether it be science, whether it be computer industry, whatever vehicles.

SID: What about energy?

SHAWN: I believe that there are inventions for energy, I believe coal fusion is right on the horizon, I believe that I saw coal fusion in Heaven, I believe there is other energy sources that are going to blow us away that we are about to hit, acceleration of different energy technologies are going to come forth that we have never heard of or seen before, some that we have dreamed of and science fiction movies have been made about because they were there and there are scientists who are cooperating with God right now, with God’s agenda, and a lot of this is because you know one third of the earth doesn’t have the right kind of technology that they need. And I believe that God is going to resource these poverty-ridden areas with technology that is very cheap and cost efficient that God is the only one who could be the source for.

SID: You know in your book you talk about God wanting to finance all of these projects that is going to put the Messiah before people in every strata rather than the normal four-wall type of strata, but there were two areas in particular that God showed you that money should be planted in, one was the needy people, what else?

SHAWN: Yes, the poor, well in Isaiah 58 it talks about both those areas and as we give to the poor and as we care for the poor, it accelerates the purpose of God in our lives, it says that His light will shine upon us, which means that the favor of God will increase upon us, the favor of God in our normal everyday lives will increase upon us. And that is what a lot of people doesn’t understand is that God loves the poor so much, and our heart is where our money is, and so it we will give to where God’s heart is, if we will give to where His hearts is touched by, it increases and accelerates us.

SID: What about the, what did God show you in this strategic time we are living in, when Israel is front and center stage, when Jewish people are open to the gospel for the first time in almost 2000 years, what is He showing you about that?

SHAWN: It is the same principle as the poor that His favor increases upon us, except for I believe if we will give into what god is doing in Israel right now, and if we will give into what God is doing with the Jewish people right now throughout the earth, if we will resource it, not just financially but we will resource it with time and energy and everything that is needed, it actually accelerates the day of the Lord coming. Isaiah 58 is very clear about Jesus will, the time of Jesus will dawn upon us faster, if you read it under a certain understanding, even how He talked about the poor before, so I believe that something is about to happen so that the church if you will, all over the world is going to understand the covenant purpose of God with the Jewish people and they are going to start to understand that if they invest into that in all kinds of different ways then their blessing increases, their fruit multiplies, their favor increases in the land. And that is something that has not been understood, it has not had a direct correlation before but it is very clear that America has prospered because we have been helping Israel, and I believe that other countries who have helped Israel have seen aligned delineation when they have prospered or been hindered by their help.

SID: Shawn, the time is slipping away, I want you to look in the camera and pray that these anointing’s that God has already predestined for those that are hungering and thirsting for righteousness, they would receive them, would you pray?

SHAWN: I do, Father I pray right now to everybody who is watching, I pray that they would hear your voice and hear your heart that they were created to cooperate with you, I know you have a storehouse full just for their lives, you have a storehouse full just for them to cooperate with to see your glory manifest and to also bring you your inheritance Jesus, and I pray that the minister of finance would be busy in these day, we pray that Solomon’s temple would be a picture of what is available for our lives, that you would bring the best resources, the best things that are known to our network of relationships, our friendships to us that we can enter into the fullness of your purpose so Jesus could receive the fullness of His reward, and we thank You for those who are watching.

SID: Shane, there is, I believe there is an angel around us the presence of God has really intensified in the last few minutes, and do not miss this moment, do not miss this moment, it’s a time of visitation, it’s a time for you to get to know the King of the Jews better, Yeshua, in English Jesus. It’s a time to say I want to operate in Your Kingdom, but you have got to know the King first, in order to operate in the Kingdom you have got to know the King. The King has a name, His name is Yeshua, Jesus, it’s time to not be religious, it is time to be real, God is looking for people that are real, and if you say, “God I want to know You, God, if there is any wicked ways in me, please show me and I will turn from them, but I can’t turn from them without your help, give me the help oh mighty God, in the name of Jesus, I make you my Lord and my Savior.” Now begin to worship Him if there has ever been a time for a visitation, there are young people that Shawn was talking to just before, you know, you know that he was talking to you, but you know what, even if you are in your seventies, the greatest time of your life is about ready to happen, with God all things are possible. Go for it!

SID: Hello. Sid Roth here with Chad Dedmon. And Chad, you know, your father has, I use the word “chutzpah”. That’s a Hebrew word. It means nerve. Well you have nerve, too. Tell me about this thing in healing on Aisle 10.

CHAD: Yeah. Like father, like son. I was just hungry for some donuts. So we’re always been led by the Spirit, but I was being led by my stomach.

SID: It sounds that way.

CHAD: So I went in, and we’re told that, hey, it’s a green light. If we see anybody that has a cast or a brace, go and pray for them. And so I saw this lady with hearing aids. So I approached her and I said, “Hey, can I pray over your hearing aids?” She was 95 percent deaf for over 30 years, and so I had her take out her hearing aids so that we could see when God shows us, and I began to pray for her, a simple prayer. And I said, “Okay now, just test it out. I’m gonna, just repeat after me.” I get about almost a good, like 30 feet away, and the checkout girl who’s like in her early 20s says, “I can’t hear you any more.” And so the lady that was over 95 percent deaf says, “I have better hearing now than you” to the checkout girl. The checkout girl starts crying. I start crying. And then I started getting word of knowledge for other people in the grocery store. So I asked the checkout girl, “Hey, can I get, you know, share what else God wants to do in the grocery store?” So I get on the intercom and I say, “Attention all shoppers,” and I started calling out words of knowledge.

SID: They let you do that.

CHAD: Yeah. Yeah, they let me do that. I mean, this checkout girl was just weeping and saying, “Hey, this is God. Of course, yes.” And so I just began to, you know, shout out words of knowledge and all these people started coming, about 20, 25 people. Well this woman in a motorized cart comes up and she says, “Well I’m going in for a hip replacement surgery. Do you really think God can heal me?” And I said, “Of course. That’s who He is.” So we began to pray together for her and I’d say, “Well now move it around. Check it out.” She move it and she goes, [gasp] and I’m like, “Oh no, is she in more pain?” And she said, “I couldn’t do this before without pain.” And I said, “Well do something else.” She jumps up out of the wheelchair and she starts running around screaming, “I am healed! I’m completely healed!”

SID: There must have been a crowd around at this point.

CHAD: Oh yeah. Now this man jumps and said, “Will you pray for my carpal tunnel? Pray for my wrists.” And so I began to pray for him and he can move it around, and he gets completely healed, and I’m like, well, you know what? The Kingdom just showed up. I might as well introduce them to the King. And so I began to share about how, “Do you want to be best friends with the Creator of the Universe?” And all these people are saying, “Yeah, I want to be best friends with the Creator.” It was an amazing time.

SID: Jesus is your best friend.

CHAD: He is.

SID: Wouldn’t you like Jesus to be your best friend? He wants to. The choice, it’s yours. Now Chad, you’ve got to tell me about the person. Was this person born without eyeballs, obviously?

CHAD: Yes, yes. He was in his upper 70s and he was born without any eyes. And so me and a few other friends, we were praying for him, and we were praying for him for quite a while, and for just about 20 minutes, and that’s quite a while for us, because we expect God to show up when we ask. So he had never opened up his eyelids before under his own power. And after about 20 minutes he opened up his eyelids for the first time. So we’re thanking God. And then we pray again. He opens up his eyes and he has blue eyes, which for an Indian man is not likely.

SID: Forget the color of the eyes. You saw eyeballs

CHAD: Yeah. It was amazing. I mean, he had no eyeballs. I mean, his sockets were drawn in.

SID: What was it like to see empty eye sockets and then eyes there?

CHAD: It changes your life forever. It does. I was beginning to weep. And he wasn’t able to see completely. He was able to see forms and shapes, but he wasn’t able to see colors or far distances. So we decided, hey, God gave him new eyes. I think he’ll have 20/20 vision, so let’s keep praying for him. So we continued to pray for him. He opens up his eyes again and his eyes changed from blue to brown eyes, and he had perfect vision. It was amazing.

SID: And you found out something about the blue eyes a doctor told you.

CHAD: Yeah, a doctor told me that when a baby is born, a baby might be born with blue eyes and it can’t see color and it can’t see far away. And so basically this Indian man got brand new child eyes that got blue, and then it changed color for him to get full vision. It was amazing.

SID: You know, I see people and I tell them, and they just say, “Isn’t that cool?” That is cool. How about the time that you found a Muslim that was dying?

CHAD: Yeah. This was an amazing time that we saw. We were just doing a meeting on the Father’s love. And so I just invited him just to experience the Father’s love. I invited the whole audience to experience the Father’s love. And so he stood up. I didn’t know his situation. He had surgery earlier. He had liver cancer. And they opened him up to find the cancer spread throughout his whole body. And so they had to close him up because they couldn’t remove any of it. And so they closed him up, stapled him together and told him the news, “Medically we can’t do anything for you. So just go and make peace with your family. You have two weeks left to live.” So this is a week later, his wife brings him to church and we begin to pray. We released the Father’s love. Well as we do that the staples bust open and God begins to do something. And so he runs to the bathroom. I mean, revival is messy. And so he began to just try to figure out what’s going on. He comes and approaches me with his overcoat and he says, “Hey, my staple busted up.” And I’m like, oh no, like stuff is coming out. This is not good. He didn’t even tell me he has cancer. So I prayed for him that all the pain leave. So he goes to the emergency room. They run two different tests on him. And the same doctors that were treating him now run these tests and they say, “We don’t understand this, but the cancer is now dead and it’s leaving your body, literally.” And now this man encountered the love of Jesus, this Muslim man. He was like, “You know what, I want to give my life to this man. I’m in love with this man as well.” Well he’s still going after God to this day.

SID: Chad, as you started to share that story there was a flood of God’s healing power came right into the studio. And I believe that as Chad begins to pray for you that flood with his speaking supernatural words of healing are going to just come together and there is going to be a creative explosion of healing for you right now. Chad, would you pray.

CHAD: Yeah. There is a lady that has breast cancer and you’re to start feeling there’s a heat that’s going to be coming onto your body and God is going to begin to remove the tumors. There’s somebody, they’ve had multiple knee surgeries. You’re wearing a red shirt and God is going to begin to come with heat and you’re to just test it out right now. There’s someone with metal in their ankle. Your name is Tim and just beginning to move it around God is healing you right now. There’s somebody, your name is Deborah. You’ve been in a car accident. You have pain all the way down and up your spine. God is going to begin to release electricity to release healing presence right now. Lord, we just thank you for what you’re doing and just release more. I feel like there’s even people that have had injuries with cell phones where you’ve been on the phone and it might be even a car accident. You might have fell down the stairs. Someone has fallen down the stairs. You were on your cell phone and you hurt your spine. God is touching you right now. And so Lord, we just release your healing presence.

SID: You know I have to ask you something. You said you saw someone with like green shirt. Did you see it or just hear it?

CHAD: Yeah. Actually, I begin to see. Sometimes I’ll see things in the spirit. Sometimes I’ll hear just a small still voice. It just comes in a lot of different ways.

SID: Now can everyone, I mean you’re gifted, but can everyone walk in these gifts? Everyone really?

CHAD: Everyone. You know, Paul told us that we desire all the gifts. We should desire all the gifts. I mean, God speaks to us all the time and His thoughts for us outnumber the sands on the seashore. I mean, He is constantly speaking.

SID: You know, speaking of God speaking to us all the time, He’s speaking to some of you right now. He’s speaking to you right now. He’s saying, “I want to give you the same choice I gave Chad. I want to either be your best friend or you will walk from under my protective covering and it’s not good out there without my love and my protective covering. I want to give you a choice. You can choose me or you can choose to walk without my protective covering. I mean, I have loved you, I have protected you. But now you must make a choice. You must make a decision because yet once more, I God, am going to shake this earth. And those that do not make a decision for me will not be on a firm foundation and they’re going to fall. So choose this day whom you’re going to serve. And it’s so simple you don’t need my help. All you need to do is be honest with God. Tell him that you’ve committed many sins and you’re sorry. Ask him to forgive you, believe his blood just washes it all it away. And when you are clean he’ll jump inside of you and become your best friend. Let me introduce you to your best friend, Yeshua, Jesus, the Messiah, the King of the Jews. And I’ve got some good news for you. You don’t have to be Jewish to believe in the King of the Jews. You just have to love him. He already loves you. Go. Go for it. Go for the gold right now.

SID: Hello. Sid Roth here with Chad Dedmon. And Chad had been dating a young woman and she dropped him. And he was do depressed he started drinking and doing things he shouldn’t do, and his parents shipped him off to where there was an explosion of God’s spirit at a church. That God jumped on him and totally changed him. He goes back to high school. Over a hundred of the students come to believe in Jesus. And Chad, the young lady that she ditched you, I guess you found a new girlfriend?

CHAD: Yeah. Actually what happened when I encountered God is God asked me, Jesus asked me, “Will you date me for a year?” And I took that literally. So I would go out on dates with Jesus, and it was before Bluetooth was around. And so I would talk out loud and I would expect to Jesus and Jesus would talk back to me. And I would go out to dinner and I would order a table for two, and they’d be like, “Okay, where’s the other member of your party?” And, “Oh he’s right here with me.” And I’d order two meals and Jesus–

SID: You ordered two meals.

CHAD: Hey, you know, when you’re on a date you buy your date a meal.

SID: Okay.

CHAD: And so Jesus wouldn’t always eat his food, and so I’d eat it for him. But we had some great times where we just talked, and it was a real time of hearing the Lord’s voice.

SID: But what did the waiters think about this?

CHAD: They thought it was a little weird, a little awkward, but I was okay with that. You know, I was in this place where I wanted to know Jesus.

SID: Did you spend a lot of time with him privately worshiping him?

CHAD: Yes. I would have hours on hours of just in worship. My dad would always be coming into my room seeing if I was going to do the chores and he’d find me on the floor weeping, and he would be like, “I will go mow the lawn.” You know, ‘cause his 18-year-old son on the floor just a wreck for the Lord. It was amazing.

SID: Okay, so then he goes back to that church in Pensacola, Florida, and he was at a men’s prayer meeting and something amazing happened to you, Chad.

CHAD: Yeah. I just kept on praying, “God, I want to experience your presence to a whole new level.” So I was in this prayer meeting and I felt like someone punched me right in the stomach. I went flying back a good five, seven feet. I began to shake so hard under the presence of God that my shoes went flying off, my shirt went flying off, and I was aware that I was in a prayer meeting. I was aware but it was like a distant reality, and it was like another reality that was coming in and I would begin to see the glory of God, and I began to be taken into the throne room where I saw the Father, the King of Glory sitting on the throne. And He leaned over to speak to me. He opens His mouth. I don’t hear anything with my ears and I begin to feel what He’s saying, and it was the deepest revelation of the Father’s love that I have ever had, and that was what causes me to shake because I was feeling just the waves and waves of the Father’s love. And this experience happened for over, like 14 hours. It was amazing.

SID: It sounds so wonderful.

CHAD: Yeah, it really is.

SID: I understand that even today when you reminisce and think about it you find yourself right basking in the Father’s love.

CHAD: Well this is the key, is that you can experience the Father’s love everyday. And it is essential that you have the Father’s love flowing in your life. If you want to live in the supernatural you have to have the Father’s love flowing in your life. Jesus needed the Father’s love. How much more do we need the Father’s love?

SID: And the miracles. I mean, literally, eyeballs materializing. Tell me about that man that fell three stories.

CHAD: Yeah. There was a man in New Zealand. He fell three stories over two years ago, and he fell through a glass roof. He died. The paramedics brought him back to life. They had to do surgery where they removed his calve and his Achilles tendon. And he had no feeling from his kneecap down. And so I prayed for him, and his wife was there. I prayed for him and the first thing I asked him, “What could you do?” He says, “I can’t touch my heel to the ground.” And I said, “Okay, well check it out.” After we prayed he put his heel on the ground. And he said, “I couldn’t do this before.” And I said, “What else?” He said, “I have no feeling. All the nerves were severed. I have no feeling from my kneecap down.” So I said, “Oh, you wouldn’t feel this?” And I began to touch and press on his foot. He said, “Yeah, I wouldn’t feel. I could feel that!” And I said, “Well what else?” And he says, “Well when I woke up this morning I said to God, ‘Wouldn’t it be great if I ran today?’” He could barely walk. And I said, “Me and you are running.” And so I grabbed his hand and we began to run from the end of the stage to the other. He ran just as fast as I could. It was amazing.

SID: Well  i’ll tell you what, that’s normal. Let’s take a look at that actually taking place.

[begin film]

MAN: My heal wouldn’t touch the floor.

CHAD: Your heal wouldn’t touch the floor and now it’s touching the floor.

MAN: Yes.

[applause]

MAN: I can’t feel it. I can’t feel my foot.

CHAD: You can’t feel your foot?

MAN: No. I have no feeling in my foot.

CHAD: So we need to pray for healing. You can’t feel that. Is that correct?

MAN: I can feel that.

CHAD: You feel that where you didn’t feel that before.

MAN: Yes

CHAD: I’m not pressing hard. I’m not pressing hard.

MAN: I can feel it.

CHAD: You can feel that?

[applause, cheers]

Is there any other thing that you couldn’t do before that you can test it out.

MAN: I can’t run.

CHAD: Okay. Well come on. Get up here.

SID: Hello. Sid Roth here. Welcome to my world where it’s naturally supernatural. My guest, Chad Demon, perhaps you saw the show where I interviewed his father, Kevin. Well Kevin says that he can mentor anyone into moving into the supernatural, and what better proof than his son, Chad. But Chad is a pastor’s kid. You didn’t like that. You felt that life played a dirty trick on you and you started rebelling.

CHAD: Yeah. I felt like I was born, you know, into this lifestyle and it wasn’t really my decision. And so I had a real anger towards God and towards my parents where I wanted a normal childhood, per se.

SID: But why did you get into drugs?

CHAD: I was angry. I wanted to make my own decisions and I was tired of, you know, doing what everyone thought I should be doing, and I just went for it. And I started doing drugs and I started liking it, and it took me on a real bad road.

SID: But at night when no one was there and you were in your room you actually could see things happening in the invisible world.

CHAD: Yeah. That’s part of the most demonic activity I’ve ever seen where I would see demons. But even more, I would see Jesus in the corner of my bedroom just weeping.

SID: Didn’t that bother you?

CHAD: For a moment. But then I was just like no, this is what I’m doing. I’m making my own decisions. I was just in rebellion.

SID: And then he said to you, he actually came and spoke to you and he gave you a choice.

CHAD: Yeah. He said, “You could either be my best friend or I’m gonna hand you over to Satan.” And I was like, “Oh my gosh. Okay. I know that you are the only way and I want you to be my best friend.” And I know that that meant if I were to be handed over to Satan that my covering and protection was going to be lifted and Satan was basically gonna kill me.

SID: So what did you do?

CHAD: I said, “Jesus, I want you to be my best friend.” And he just began to just wrap his arms around me and the love of God came into my heart. And all the addiction, all the desire for drugs totally left. It was amazing.

SID: But what is even more amazing is that he could have an experience like that being in a home where his father is a pastor. But he got involved with a young woman and you were involved in things you should not have been involved in at just 15 years old. And then she decides to ditch you. What happened?

CHAD: That was probably the hardest time of my life when I was really depressed and I didn’t know. I put all my attention towards her and she, you know, dumped me, and I didn’t know what to do. I was not in a good place.

SID: And your parents were very upset about what was going on with you. You started drinking and doing things you shouldn’t do. And they forced you to go to, there was a church called Brownsville in Pensacola, Florida that God’s presence just showed up there, and people were having their lives transformed. So it’s kind of a last hope. They sent Chad there, and why did you go?

CHAD: Well I just came into my room and my mom said, “Hey, pack your bags and we’re gonna take you to the airport. You’re going to this youth conference.” And I was like, “What’s going on there? I don’t know these people.” “Well you’ll get to know them when you get on the plane with them at the airport.” And so I went and God met me there. I began to weep. I just felt the Holy Spirit come into my life and I wept for hours and hours, and hours.

SID: But you weren’t going for anything to happen.

CHAD: No, I wasn’t. I wasn’t going. I didn’t expect anything to happen. My parents just said, “Hey, you’re going.” This was like a last ditch effort to see my life get totally turned around. And I went and God completely touched me.

SID: He touched him so much he got back to his school and his old friends, and what happened at school?

CHAD: Well we started just a group to get together during lunch and people started getting saved. We started, you know, it was probably about normally you have about 20 people show up on the high school campus that would say, “Hey, we love God.” But it just started this move that we started seeing, you know, hundreds of people showing up at lunch to pray and to ask God to come during lunch.

SID: Were they coming to the Lord?

CHAD: Oh yeah.

SID: I mean, were people getting healed?

CHAD: Yeah. There wasn’t so much the healings, but a lot of people were getting saved and transformed where we would be having prayer meetings late into the night, and it was a phenomenal time.

SID: Well the thing that is so amazing to me is the miracles that Chad watched. Just give me a preview. When you went to Indonesia, what happened?

CHAD: Well I went to Indonesia and I was so tired of reading in the Bible about the God of David, the God of Daniel, the God of Joshua. I wanted to know the God of Chad. I wanted the God that I read about in the Bible to become tangible in my life. And so I said, okay, where’s the worst persecution happening in the world? And I saw that it was Indonesia. And so I went. I went for it. I was 20 years old and I sold everything, and went there, and I said, “God, show up.” And so I was in this little village and we decided to, we washed everyone’s feet and as we washed everyone’s feet all these people started getting healed. And we’re talking healed of blindness, deafness, arthritis through their body. And I began to see God show up and I began to discover why I was alive.

SID: How about you? Is it time for you to discern why you’re alive? His dad wrote a book because he had such a passion for everyone to be normal. The presence of God just pulsates off of this book. And his dad, Kevin Dedmon, is training young people, older, it doesn’t matter what’s your age, it’s time for you to be normal. When we come back we’ll find out the exploits of a normal young man. Don’t go away. Be right back.

SID: Sid Roth here with Rick Joyner. I know you’re on the edge of your seat, because he’s not only a prophet, he’s got a whole school of prophets. It sounds kind of like, in the Jewish scriptures, Elijah and Elisha, and they had these schools of the prophets. What is God showing you, as far as where we are in history?

RICK: Well you know, in both Joel 2 and Acts 2 it speaks about in the last days, the Lord is going to pour out His Spirit. It says when He does, the old men are going to dream dreams, young men see visions, and His sons and daughters are going to prophecy. And we’re seeing a tremendous, I believe maybe unprecedented in history, outbreak of dreams, visions, and prophecy.

SID: Now as you and I know, you turn on TV and you can’t help but see a psychic, or call a certain phone number and it’s a psychic network, and you were telling me last night how much money is spent on psychics in this country.

RICK: Well, the last study I saw, a few years ago, was between $10 and $12 billion a year, just in our country.

SID: $10 or $12…?

RICK: Billion. Billion. Per year.

SID: I thought you said that. Did you get that?

RICK: Spent on psychics. But this was the most shocking part of all. They said over half of that was being spent by Christians who’d been taught that God no longer speaks today, and they were turning to psychics.

SID: If you won’t believe the truth, the Bible says, you’ll believe a lie. And a lot of people look at the truth and they say it’s a lie, but you have to recognize you cannot have a good counterfeit unless it’s a counterfeit of something authentic. I want the authentic. So the world is beginning to understand prophecy. And you told me you’d send some of your students out to secular business conferences to prophecy?

RICK: Well, they asked us to come. There was a seminar in Florida just a couple of weeks ago, it was a business seminar, and they asked us, could we send some of our prophetic teams down. And we said sure. So we mobilized 30 of our kids to go down there, and they set up teams. And anyone who wanted to go in and be ministered to by these teams could go, and it had a spectacular impact.

SID: Do you know if many of these secular business people became believers in the Messiah?

RICK: They did. We estimated about 150 became brand new believers.

SID: We have, in America, the fastest growing trend, and there’s some very godly people involved in this. It’s called “seeker sensitive”. But what happened, if we look at the Bible, and we become whatever they did there, we should do. Guess what kind of results we’ll get? I mean can you imagine going into a secular business conference and prophesying to people? I understand even the White House, under the Regan years, used psychics to find out what was going on. Nancy Regan used to, at least it was in the newspapers.

RICK: Yeah.

SID: But I think that people are getting wise, and they say “I don’t want that cheap counterfeit that is only right 20% of the time.” And I doubt that if it’s even right that much. I want the kind the Bible says that can’t fail.

RICK: Well that’s true. And I believe both our government and many other governments… By the way, many governments have sought out the prophetic, true, godly prophets. And I believe whenever you seek the Lord, you will find Him, and He’s helped many people. And you know there’s a lot we couldn’t say about that, because we’d lose our ability to speak in certain situations. But I believe there are many, many people that are starting to understand there is a counterfeit and there is a real. If they don’t declare that Jesus Christ is the Son of God, He is the Messiah, He is the Lord Of Lords, don’t go to them. They can be supernatural, they can have some supernatural information, but there’s good and bad. There’s good and evil.

SID: So what you believe is, the prophet Joel says you’ll know when it’s the last days; in Acts it says the same thing. So because these gifts are coming to the surface, and everything else going on in the world, would you agree with the orthodox rabbis we’re in the footsteps of the Messiah?

RICK: Absolutely. Absolutely. And I would like to emphasize, though, it’s not so much the end as it is the beginning. It may be the end of this age, and I think, like we normally say to every year when it passes on New Years “Good riddance to that year”, we’re going to say good riddance to this age. I mean it’s been terrible. The King Of Kings is coming back to rule and reign over the earth. He’s going to restore the earth. The scriptures are clear. We have a greater hope than any New Age movement, any utopian philosophy, anything. We’ve been given the greatest hope of all: He’s going to come back and restore the earth, the lion’s going to lie down with the lamb again, children will be able to play with cobras, there’s not going to be any more mourning, sickness, dying, pain, child abuse, hunger – any of these things. He is going to restore the earth.

SID: What are doctors going to do when there’s no longer the cause of…

RICK: They’re going to have to get a real job!

SID: What are they going to do? They’re not going to be able to say “Well the cause of your disease is stress.” There’s not any stress there. The Bible talks about people being translated; being in one city and then finding themself in another city, just instantly. Has that happened to you?

RICK: That’s happened to me.

SID: Tell me about it.

RICK: Well, I was leaving Charlotte, North Carolina for Winston Salem to go to a little home group. Now this was years ago. And I was late leaving, it was about a two hour trip and I was late. I was going to be late anyway, maybe 20 or 30 minutes late. Then there was an accident on the interstate, and I sat behind that for over an hour. And I figured once I got past the accident, I’m going to be two hours late, I’ll get there right at the end of the meeting. And I said “Well, I’m going anyway. I said I was coming, I’m going to go.” Now I had to take Interstate 77 north, intersect Interstate 40, and go east for a while. Anyway, as soon as I get past this accident, it’s like all of a sudden I look up and I didn’t recognize this truck, I didn’t recognize the other vehicles around me. And I thought I’d maybe fallen asleep or something, you know, you might drift off, and it shocked me. Then I looked up and I’m at the exit on the other Interstate, Interstate 40.

SID: How long should it take for that for that to occur?

RICK: At least an hour and 15 to 20 minutes, maybe an hour and 30 minutes.

SID: You’re telling me that you transcended time.

RICK: Absolutely. I was there instantly.

SID: Speaking of transcending time, we’re going to take a break right now, and when we come back, we’re going to find out how God knows ahead of time where we’re going to live, and He has the exact place that we’re to live in. Don’t go away.