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Sid Roth welcomes John Paul Jackson
SID: Hello. Sid Roth here with John Paul Jackson. And I wish I had been there, John Paul. 1997, South Hampton, England, 400 people and you’re speaking on my favorite subject, naturally supernatural. And by the way, I’ve heard that teaching. That was fabulous teaching.
JOHN PAUL: Thank you.
SID: But someone must have been impressed besides the audience because someone else showed up. Tell me what happened.
JOHN PAUL: Well as I was talking about being naturally supernaturally and living a lifestyle that allows that to happen in your life, it’s not reserved for just property people or apostolic people, or anything like that. It’s reserved for everybody. You that are watching right now can live a naturally supernatural life having God intervene on your behalf. And I was talking about how to do that. One of the things I was talking about was light, and how God is light, He is the father of light. And that we find out that in that process, I mean, the children of Israel were led by this huge flaming fire that led them through the wilderness, and so he proved His light nature there. Well when I’m talking about all of this these lights enter into the room. I don’t see them at first. They’re behind me. And the people see them and they begin to point and they begin to, the noise as you hear, begins to grow louder and louder.
SID: I’ve heard the audio CD of this and it is amazing. I mean, the whole, it was like a hum. Woo, woo. You must have been watching that.
JOHN PAUL: And it went over my head.
SID: Were you wondering what was happening?
JOHN PAUL: I was at first. I thought, what is going on here. And then I saw them. There was like a, they just moved through the air and then they began to swirl. The more I talked about the Lord the more they began to swirl from side to side through the auditorium. People were watching. People were up in the balcony. They came down from the balcony. People fell out of their chairs or slid out of their chairs.
SID: But wait a second. How do you know that wasn’t just psychosomatic and someone had these laser lights and it was one of these shows? How do you know it wasn’t?
JOHN PAUL: Because God in His great wisdom allowed a handful of people, about six or eight people, to not see anything. And they came up to me afterwards and said, “We didn’t see any lights. What was going on here? You were talking about lights, but we didn’t see any.” And so I said, “God bless you. You prove God will make this up to you because you prove this was not man-made. This was God-made. This wasn’t strobe lights. This wasn’t some laser lights. This was God doing something and he will make this up to you, because again, he is a God of justice. You never miss out on one thing without God giving you something greater. And so the people were looking at these lights. I was. Sid, there was yellow ones and blue ones, and red ones. There was multi-colored ones. There was one bar that was like 20-some feet wide, maybe six inches, four to six inches thick that moved across the whole auditorium that everybody saw as lights were racing around. And the more I talked about the Lord and who He was the faster they began to move.
SID: The next morning you had an even larger meeting at that same conference. Did the lights show up?
JOHN PAUL: They did. They showed up again the next morning.
SID: Now what are these lights?
JOHN PAUL: They’re either angels or heavenly hosts. You know, I kind of hesitate to define them because what I don’t know I hate to define. But I know this. They were from Heaven. They were excited by the move of God and power was there with them.
SID: Describe to me what was happening to people as a result of these, I’ll call them, I believe they were angels, as a result of these angels showing up? What was happening?
JOHN PAUL: People were weeping, people were crying. I saw husbands and wives hugging each other. There was an incredible love and holy hush that hit. But I say a holy hush on one hand, and yet on the other hand there was this incredible noise as people saw them moving. And you’ll hear it on the CD. People tell me, “You need to put a disclaimer. Do not play this while driving your car,” because the anointing of the Lord is really there, the presence of the Lord.
SID: Okay. We have to change the subject for a minute. I want to find out about that experience you had at God’s throne. This was in ’95, I believe.
JOHN PAUL: It was. May 12, 1995. I am praying and I hear a harp, and this harp, next thing I know I’m standing in this incredible light that’s encased me, and I realize I’ve been in some of the light before and not totally surrounded by it. And now all of a sudden I’m surrounded by it. I’m breathing it. And as I’m breathing it, it’s living in me, Sid. It enters into me and every cell of my body comes alive. And I literally felt like I was taken apart at the cellular level and put back together again as I’m standing there. I’m turning trying to find out where I am. And I turned, and as I turned I come face to face with whatever part of the Lord He wanted to see. I’m not saying I saw all of Him. But I saw the throne and I saw Him sitting on the throne. I did not see Him face, but incredible light was coming from Him. I was like eight feet away. And my first instinct was not like, “Hey God, how are you doing.” I didn’t think about giving God a hi-five. I was filled with the terror of the Lord. I was filled with it.
SID: Now he gave you, and remember his mother, an angel visited that he would have an 11th hour ministry, which means he’d be alive at the wrap-up and he’d be having a prophetic influence. In order to have this influence you have to move in an awesome power. But the Lord told you something about the power he wants you to move in. What did He tell you?
JOHN PAUL: He did. Well I was kind of complaining because I wasn’t creating enough power. He came to me. Actually He didn’t come to me. He spoke to me in what I perceive to be an audible voice and He said, “Son, I long to give gifts to men more than those men long for those gifts themselves. But I love you too much to give you a gift. I would later have to judge you for it because you’re not ready for the adulation that would come with that level of giving.” He said, “But if you do keep on the same track that you’re on right now one day I will be able to grant your request.”
SID: And I believe that, you know, Christmas, Chanukah, we think about gifts. How would you like gifts from God? If you will work on repenting and getting your character to reflect the character of the Messiah He will entrust you with the greatest Chanukah-Christmas gifts you have ever had. The greatest gift is the Light of the world, Yeshuah, Jesus, the King of the Jews. He’s the greatest.
Sid Roth welcomes Bill Wiese
Sid: I wish every pastor listening to my voice would get this course, “Whatever Happened to Hell” and preach it. Do you realize how your church would change? I wish that every mother or father listening to me would teach this to every member of their family. I wish everyone would take part of the course it’s a DVD. Bill Wiese was just a normal good Christian and God chose him because there was nothing, you could throw a stone at him. He had a good marriage, he had a good job, he’s never been an alcoholic or drug addict or had mental problems. He’s a stable human, I mean I’ve got impeccable references on this particular man, but after he had this experience he has such a passion for God. Some of you are saying God I want to be hungry for you. This course will make you hungry for God. It’s three books and a DVD, one of the books is a hard back and one of the books has 352 pages. It’ll tell you things that people need to know about Hell, that you need to know about Hell. And the most important thing, when you finish this course you’re going to have a passion for people, such a love for people, such a passion for God, such a love for God because Bill Wiese experienced Hell. He was chosen by God to experience Hell even though He was a believer, God block that from his head and when you hear his experience you will be so grateful you won’t take your salvation for granted. Bill, on yesterdays broadcast you were talking about that comes up often. What about someone in a deep area a distant of Africa they have no TV, they have no radio, they have no Christians, they know nothing about God, certainly a loving God would not send them to Hell. What would you say?
Bill: Well, they are accountable and God gives five ways where He, at least five ways where He tries to reach that person. 1) He does hold man accountable. It says in Romans Chapter one because of creation. The evidence of design is all around us. That points to a designer so if people look up to the heavens and they see there’s a God. Lord reveal yourself to me. I want to know you. He will get through to that person somehow if they just call out. And secondly He gives man a conscience to know right from wrong. Roman’s 2:15 and John 8:9 says we have a conscience and in our conscience we know that there’s a God, He put it in us to know that there’s a God and right from wrong. 3) He gives us the Bible the written word. 4) He gives us TV, radios, CDs and missionaries being sent all over the world. But #5, He gives Job 33 says He gives man dreams and visions to keep back his soul from the pit so if that would just say, I want to know the real true and living God he will give that man a vision. So that man will not go to Hell unjustly. There is no one in Hell unjustly.
Sid: I’m reminded of the scripture in Jeremiah, in the day that you seek God with all of your heart, and even if you knew nothing about Him, as you said Bill, you see and if you’re in Africa and you nothing about God, you see creation which shouts there’s a creator.
Bill: That’s right.
Sid: You will have a problem and when you seek God with all of your heart, in that day He will be found. Now, take me back to when Jesus came to you and you realized you were a believer and He’s taking you out of Hell and you had an experience with His love and with His passion. Tell me about that.
Bill: Well, we went above the earth’s surface and came out of this whirlwind tunnel, I was going into Hell and I looked back and we saw people falling, one after another, after another down this tunnel that we’d just came out of and the Lord wept when he saw people falling into Hell. You know, Ezekiel 33:11 says “There’s no pleasure in the death of the wicked.” and He allowed me to feel a piece of His heart and Sid I couldn’t stand to feel even a piece of what He feels. And it says in Ephesians 3:19 “Love passes knowledge.” It was so for pass the ability for us to understand how much He loves people and He wept seeing people fall into this place of torment. He’s desperately trying to keep them out. And quickly, He gave me a scripture that he opened up to me in Psalms 139:17 & 18. “David said, Your thoughts towards me are all precious and I suppose if I should count them they are more than the sands. And He showed me if you were to pick up a handful of sand there would be thousands of granules. If each granule represented a thought, a good thought, you know and I said “Boy, I love how my wife loves me; I love how she prays for me; I love how beautiful she is.” And you came back after three or four hours and I’m still trying to exhaust the amount in my hand you’d say Bill’s really gone over his wife. Well, God said his thoughts are all precious and more than the sands of the whole earth. So to give an idea of how much God loves everybody, His love is more than every granule of sand on the entire earth and every thought is precious towards people. That’s how much He loves people, that’s how much He wants to keep people out. When people say How can He send people to Hell? He is not sending anyone to Hell, see all of us automatically are on the road to Hell above the age of accountability. Every person is automatically on that road to Hell. John 3:17 explains, were all condemned because of sin, that’s why Jesus came to get us off that road so he’s not sending you are already going there. He’s trying to get you off the road because He loves you so much. That’s the love that God we serve is the God that suffered a horrible death to keep us out of this place and that’s the love I want to get across to people.
Sid: There are people that have been listening to us this week and their kind of a miss bag. They love God but they love sin, but they’ve said a prayer and they repent and they go back to this sin and now their kind of concerned. Am I really going to go to Heaven? How can I have assurance that I’m going to Heaven? What would you say to them?
Bill: Well, like Hebrew 5:9 says eternal salvation to all that obey Him. So if you want to be sure of your salvation He says to obey Him. In first John 2:17 says that He that doth the will of God abides forever first John 2:3 says that we know Him if we keep His commandments. So if you want to have assurance you have to walk in the ways of God. Jesus said my mother and brethren are those that hear the Word of God and obey it. So if you are living a lifestyle of sin Mark 9:47 “Jesus said if your eye offends thee,” the word offend means to cause you to sin. He said to pluck it out, it is better for you to enter into life maimed then to Hell fire. So if you are living a life style of sin, you’re in danger of Hell fire and that should not be the case. So as Christians we need to walk in God’s ways and be upright and walk in holiness.
Sid: One of the questions that you deal with, you deal with so many questions in your book that believer’s are going to be asked that they need answers. But one of your questions has to do with , “Why did a loving God even allow evil to exist?
Bill: That’s a good question. Well, first of all evil exists in the world for five reasons that I have seen at least. II Corinthians 4, says that Satan is the God of this world so the evil that comes, remember John 10:10 Jesus said, I have come that you might have life and have it more abundantly, but Satan has come to steal, kill, and destroy. So the destruction of evil comes from the demonic realm but the other point is that man has a free will to choose. God said all through His word that to choice life and follow Him and you’ll be blessed. If you don’t, you’ll be cursed so it is man’s own free will and man causes evil to his own fellow man. Man does that and there’s a law of sowing and reaping. We will reap what we sown. If you put out evil, you are going reap back evil. Then there’s a law of sin and death, Roman’s 8:2 says. And in Proverbs 13:21 “Evil pursued sinners,” in other words it hunt’s them down like a violent man, it says in Psalm 140:11 “Evil will hunt the violent man down” just like metal is attracted to a magnet. If you live a lifestyle of sin evil will be attracted to you and will destroy you. So that’s a law just like the law of gravity works. You know, if you step off a roof it’s not God socking you to the ground. It’s the law of gravity, well there’s a law of sin and death that works, evil will go after you and hunt you down if you live in sin. 5. Says that the earth its self rebels it’s self against sin. I Chronicles 16:30 says “Fear the Lord all the earth so that the world shall be stable that it be not moved. “ So there is a reason for earthquakes. The whole earth does not fear the Lord the earth trembles and shakes. Psalm 68:6 says that the rebellious dwell in a dry land. That’s why there is not water in some of these countries.
Psalm 67:5 says to praise the Lord so that the earth will yield her increase. Well nations don’t praise the Lord so they don’t have food. And Leviticus 18:25 says “Because of sin the land will vomit you out of it.” So the earth itself can rebel against sin and that’s why there is evil and destruction happening in the earth. That is some of the reasons.
Sid: I urge you who have been listening to us all this week to get this course “Whatever Happened to Hell,” it will explain the afterlife, it will explain the tough questions. But here’s the affect its going to have on you, you will realize how much power God has entrusted to you. You will fall madly in love with God, more than you ever had before. You’ll have such a hunger, a God hunger will be developed within you and the most important thing is you will become a soul winner. You will pray for those that are blind and ending up in Hell. You won’t just say Que sera, sera. The course is called “Whatever Happened to Hell” one book is a hardback, one book 352 pages, a DVD that has an invitation to come to the Lord. You will want to play this for every member of your family.
Sid Roth welcomes Faye and Gary Whetstone
SID: Hello, Sid Roth your investigative reporter here with Faye and Gary Whetstone. And Gary is in the hospital for the insane. He’s locked up good. They’re about ready to give him an electronic lobotomy; reduce him to a 3 year old. Someone comes in. He doesn’t even know who they are. They lead him to the Lord. He says “I’m ok now, I have God inside of me”;and they said sure. And they’re still going to do this procedure; and a voice says “Run!”The door is unlocked; a padded door with the bolts and the padlock – it’s open. He goes out, he runs out of the hospital. He gets out, but then he was told to go back to the hospital. And they investigate and examine him and found out he was as normal as could be! They released him, he married his childhood love; was it back in junior high you knew each other?
FAYE: We knew each other that long.
SID: And everything is going to be wonderful; except at one party. You smoke one joint of marijuana and then what happened?
GARY: All those thoughts came back again. The tormentors came back into my mind, and Faye who had said to me, “If you ever went back to that mindset she said we’re done”.
FAYE: I said I’m out of there.
SID: And you were.
FAYE: I was.
SID: And Gary, what happened to you? Did you just leave and say bye bye. I’ll just find someone better?
GARY: My mother told me, “Gary you’ve got demons in you.”I’m thinking “Oh great! What is a demon?”And during the course of that time, I did leave; by a little court order that she got for me to make sure that I left; just a little assistance to leave. And during the time that I found out that, I really was having a lot of torment in my mind. I tried to commit suicide sitting on a railroad track; and the next thing I found out is man, that I needed freedom and even though…
SID: And why were you unsuccessful, by the way at the railroad?
GARY: The train was actually being fixed. The rail where I set my car, they moved the train over to the other rail for that one night. I found out the train always runs on that track that night was on another track and didn’t hit my car; and I figured well, there must be a God in heaven trying to help me out of this thing and he did.
SID: And what happened next? You have a court order, you can’t go home anymore. Your wife wants a divorce?
GARY: I went and checked myself into a private psychiatric hospital personally. I said that’s it. I just I know that I’m in a warfare, and I didn’t know how to win. These voices kept speaking and I knew that if I could get these voices to stop, I could have a sane life and a fulfilled marriage. And I went in there and I stayed for a few days. And a man and another fellow came in. They were ministers; they ministered deliverance; cast these demons out of my life; I checked myself back out of the mental hospital, fasted and prayed for my wife; babysat for our children while she dated other men; and God spoke to my heart that I would learn love in my relationship loving my wife.
SID: Faye, what did you think when he was saying everything’s fine? I’m back to normal? I love you. What did you think?
FAYE: Well, I think a lot of times Sid, and what I went through in particular, is you wait for the changes in a person’s life. Just because somebody says something is different; when you’ve been through a lot with a person, you want to see the changes. And immediately I saw changes in Gary’s life. I saw the expression of God’s love that I had never seen before.
SID: So you stopped the divorce?
FAYE: No, I continued on with the divorce.
SID: Why?
FAYE: Well, I wanted my freedom. I wanted to be able to walk out at any point and time that I could, rather than to be caught in a marriage that I wasn’t sure was going to work.
SID: Ok Gary, the date of your trial for your divorce. What happened?
GARY: Well first of all, I paid for the divorce because God spoke to my heart, “Give her everything she wanted.”
SID: Was this a little strange?
FAYE: Yeah, but he had been strange before so it wasn’t a surprise. (laughter)
GARY: I paid for the divorce and so the judge says,
FAYE: And I took everything by the way.
GARY: Yeah, she sure did. She was trained right. The judge says “Do you have anything to say?”I said “Yeah. I’d like to read…”He said “I’m sorry. You can put your hand on the Book but you can’t read it.”I said “No. I want to read one sentence.”
SID: Did you know what he was up to?
FAYE: I knew something was going on and I was like, “Ok. Here we go! Just give me those divorce papers!”
GARY: So he said “Go ahead. For the court record: what do you want to read?” So I turned over to 1Corinthians. It says,“…but if she departs, let her remain unmarried or reconcile to her husband.”So I closed the Bible and I said “Today your honor, I’d like to let the court know that I will only permit Faye Whetstone to be reconciled to me. Thank you.”So that was it. He declared us divorced.
SID: Ok, so you walked out of the courtroom. But you had another idea. What happened?
GARY: I asked her if she’d like to go out to lunch because…
SID: You’ve got chutzpah!
GARY: Hey, she was available! Free woman!
FAYE: And I was free. I had my paper in my hand…
SID: Yeah, you were free! But you just got rid of him!
FAYE: I know, but I had that divorce paper in my hand; which gave me authority I thought, and gave me control.
SID: Did you go out on a date with him?
FAYE: I sure did.
GARY: I had the money for the lunch.
SID: Why did you do that?
FAYE: Well I had been taking everything from him all along so…
SID: You could take a little bit more, I understand; but you didn’t give up. And when he did give up?
FAYE: He never gave up.
SID: And when he didn’t give up; he just kept courting you and courting you when did you melt?
FAYE: Well, he showered me with such kindness and love and never really asking for anything; just continually giving of himself. I began to see changes in him and I began to want what he had; and that was a relationship with the Lord Jesus Christ. And that was when things began to change; because I knew there was only one thing that could have changed him as a man; and it was the Lord.
SID: And you liked the change?
FAYE: I liked the change. He was so gracious and so kind. And I watched it over a period of months. I watched it, how he changed in the workplace. I watched how he changed relating to our children. I watched how he changed relating to me; how he was different in every aspect of his life; and it wasn’t just words but it was actions.
SID: At what point did you decide this man should be my husband? There’s no one better out there than him?
FAYE: I’d always loved Gary, and I think a lot of times we do that. We know that we love somebody and we see such potential in them, but because of what has happened we tend to doubt and believe that they can actually change. And it was through my relationship with the Lord and learning to trust the Lord. When I could trust the Lord, I could trust the Lord in Gary. I could trust the Christ in him; and that was where change really took place. And it was a point of trusting God more than I trusted the man.
SID: So you decided to get married again?
FAYE: We did it again.
SID: How long have you been married now?
GARY: Oh we’re now married 33 years.
FAYE: 33 years.
GARY: …with 9 months off for bad behavior.
SID: (laughs) and you know. What do you two do now?
GARY: Well, we’ve been pastoring now for 20 years.
SID: How many Bible colleges or schools have you set up?
GARY: Oh we’ve opened up now over 390 some Bible colleges and this next year we’ll open another 200.
SID: Were you fearful though? Even though you saw the changes in Gary? Were you fearful to go back to him?
FAYE: Absolutely.
SID: Because maybe he’d take another joint and you’d be right back where you were?
FAYE: Absolutely, but I had to trust the Lord more than I could trust him; and when I did that, the Lord has never disappointed me. The Lord has never failed me. The Lord has never let go. And that’s where my trust has been for the past…well we were divorced in 1975.And that’s where my trust has been ever since then.
SID: You know if there’s hope for Gary and Faye, of course there’s hope for you. And you may say, “Well I don’t love the man.”I bet you said I don’t love him anymore.
FAYE: Well of course.
SID: And you didn’t, but you didn’t even know what love is did you?
FAYE: No, not as a kid.
SID: And you know what? You don’t even know what love is. You say “Well I don’t feel like I love my husband. I don’t feel like I love my wife anymore. You don’t even know what love is. I tell you that God has chosen your spouse out of all the people on the face of this earth. And I’m going to tell you something else; you divorce your spouse and you get married again. You will find that same thing you didn’t like in that new person. So make it easy on yourself. Besides that there’s no one better and I’m telling you, this is your moment to decide make a quality decision. Make a quality decision first; not about your spouse but about God. Come to know him. Tell him you want to; it’s not a religious thing I’m talking about. It’s intimacy with him. Religion is the best thing we have when we don’t have intimacy. Intimacy is far better. It’s knowing he loves you. Just reach out to him. You’re hurt; you’re a very hurt person. He knows that he’s the only one, the only one that cares. And I tell you, as you change, your spouse is going to change. And the most wonderful life is ahead. Look what Gary and Faye would have missed if Gary hadn’t held onto the word of God. Hold on to the word of God. The word of God says what God has put together, let no man put asunder. Get to know your heavenly Father. Oh does he love you.
Our Guest Suzy Harbinson
SID: Hello, Sid Roth your investigative reporter here with Suzy Harbinson. Suzy was a child prodigy.How old were you when you first started playing a musical instrument?
SUZY: Two.
SID: Two years old? How could you…? What did you play?
SUZY: The piano.
SID: So tell me, how does a two year old even spread out to play the keys?
SUZY: Well my mother was a music teacher; very gifted musician herself.She actually sang vocals, opera back in the late 50’s, early 60’s, on radio nd got me into it; and sat me down at the piano that my father bought, and taught me.And I was very receptive.
SID: Now did you love it? Or did you say I want to go and do what the other kids do? I mean at two years old…
SUZY: I loved it. I loved it.
SID: Really?
SUZY: I have that ability to hear a song and then imitate it without any music.
SID: Would you just pray for me right now, because I can’t even sing!
SUZY: I can’t carry a tune either, but whatever music I hear in my ear,I can translate that to my instrument.And all I’m doing is just adding another layer upon the music that I hear in a way that just touches people.
SID: But you were a violinist with the New Hampshire Philharmonic.
SUZY: Yes.
SID: Sounds impressive to me.
SUZY: I played back in 1981 and ‘82 and I was going to college at the time.And I was working in a hotel for extra money on the weekends.And I was carrying a rack of glasses, champagne glasses and I slipped on the floor.And I cut the tendons and the nerves to my left index finger and my thumb, all the way around.
SID: Well as a violinist that’s not very good.
SUZY: That ended my career or any possible hopes of playing.I also had surgery afterwards.
SID: But wait, did you realize how bad it was when it happened? Or did you think well?
SUZY: No I realized;I couldn’t move my hand at all.It was crippling.And after having the surgery, the first surgery I developed adhesions or scar tissue in my hand so that I couldn’t make a full fist.I didn’t have the dexterity or the mobility to move my fingers.Then about a year later,I had my second surgery microsurgery to heal the nerve damage because I had no feeling.I couldn’t even hold a glass of water.I had to concentrate or else the glass would fall out of my hands.
SID: You must have cried every time you held the glass.
SUZY: I was very angry.And I put my violin away and didn’t touch it again.
SID: Now your mother, you told me, was an accomplished musician, singer, but what did she think about this? What did she feel? It must have crushed her more than you.
SUZY: She was devastated for me, as a parent you know. Of course,she was devastated that I had such a loss and a loss that I loved.And I was just so angry that I just said, well I’ll move on with my life; put my violin away, wound up getting married.I have two daughters, very precious and I didn’t pick up the violin again.
SID: Medically, what did the doctors say?
SUZY: The doctors told me that after the second surgery that the nerves; they tried to repair them; if they were to grow back,I would get sensation and feeling in my hand after two years.After two years, nothing, you pretty much get what you get.
SID: Did you have faith at that point that after two years the feeling would come back?
SUZY: No.I actually went through several months of physical therapy to try to get the circulation and the muscles moving again.And that did improve a little, however, no feeling.I actually used to take pins and stick them in my hand just so that I could see if I could get a sensation in that part of my hand, and nothing;so I know it was basically no hope.After five years: nothing.I didn’t even try at that point.I said you know I’ve got to live with this abnormality in my hand and crippling; just learn to go on but it saddened me.
SID: That was an important part of your life.
SUZY: Absolutely.
SID: Now did you go to the synagogue? Did you pray? You come from a Jewish background.
SUZY: I come from a Jewish background.I was raised Jewish in a conservative home; and Iwent Hebrew school; had a bat mitzvah; believed in God, but only to the degree that God was clear on the other side of the universe, and why should he help me? But through other things that happened in my life as time went on;I actually went through a divorce which is very, very painful to me; and that’s how I found the Lord.
SID: You know pain.
SUZY: I know pain.
SID: You know pain because of what happened to the gift that God gave you; and you know pain because of divorce.You know what I have found out? That it’s almost like the devil has a little bit of insight that someone has something special from God and tries to either snuff out their life, or in Suzy’s case, he literally stole that gift that she had.And it was a gift.Imagine she could just hear something and then play it on her violin.What a gift!But I’ll tell you something, there’s something so supernatural that’s about ready to happen to you.Don’t you dare go away!We’ll be right back.
Sid Roth welcomes Dr. Caroline Leaf
Sid: My guest Dr. Caroline Leaf, when you listen to her teaching, she is a Neuroscientist and she has researched the brain for over twenty years and she says you have such a unique gift inside of you. You can literally change the world if you understand the way God wired you. And Caroline, on yesterdays broadcast you talked about the brain is made up of seven ways we think, but we are all as unique as a fingerprint because we all use various portions of these seven way. I wonder if you would review that again.
Dr. Caroline : Yes, we can actually scientifically now know enough about the brain through the comprehensive modern technology we can get a better look inside the brain and based on this, we can find that we can actually describe the structure of our gift. And the purpose of that would be to understand ourselves better. If I know that I’ve received information in this way and that I’m building temporary memory like this and I’m consolidating my memories like that. In other words the brain has seven different major different areas, seven different types of thought and as you digest food you digest a thought. And your gift is how you digest that thought. The gift profile gives you the description or the structure of that unique way in which you are digesting.
Sid: And that profile is 210 questions that are just yes or no type answers that will help you discover the way your brain operates. Why is it so important for someone to discover this? What difference will it make in their life?
Dr. Caroline: Well, essentially we are in a world we were told that we should behave like that, or this is the gifted person or that’s the successful person and they try and categorize and you can’t categorize. Each of us is completely unique. So if we understand that it has a huge amount of self confidence and self esteem because if we are trying to be someone else, you will never succeed.
Sid: Yes, do you know what that reminds me of. I interviewed a man that has a marvelous healing ministry. His name is Peter Horrbin and he tells the story of a young man that was groomed to be a medical doctor by his parents and he developed cancer. When he switched professions and became a musician the cancer left.
Dr. Caroline: Wow, wow so he was moving…that is a fantastic example why you would need to know your gift and the structure of your gift. Because so often in life and I saw this in my clinical practice on numerous occasions. Parents would groom their children in a direction that was perhaps their gifting and meanwhile it wasn’t the gift of the child. I have four children and I have worked in clinical practice, I have reached thousands and millions of people through my ministry, it’s so important that I am able to recognize that each person is totally unique in order to understand them better. So why the structure of the profile would help us not to make that mistake, there is a classic example of someone in medical doctor should have been a musician he was operating out of his gift. He wasn’t thinking or allowed to think in a way that he was naturally created by our creator to think and he was working against that which caused his body to become toxic. It caused his mind to become toxic which affected his body and made him sick. This is what we have been speaking about. That your thought life would impact on the health of your body. So therefore your thought life can be described the special way that you think, the structure of your thinking is what the profile is helping people to find. Helping people to recognize, hey this is amazing. This is who you are, this is your special way that you see the world and this is good. You don’t have to be like this one or that one. You know, I have had children that come through my practice and I use to work a lot with juveniles, a lot of children from sixteen to eighteen. Even old sixteen adults because very often those or those that group of people had been written off and said oh well, that there is nothing more we could do for you. You will never succeed at school or whatever and had come through years of challenges with learning and emotional issues and the first thing I’ve always did was to fill in that profile and say look, this is how your brain processes. Show them a picture of those seven different areas and do the profile so that would understand what I was doing in each area. And I would show them how you and you listening to me now, you move through your brain in this particular way and this particular combination and this is what it means. It means that you need to move when you this, you need to think when you do this and you actually pinpoint and describe exactly what’s good for you. And, what‘s good for you then as you use that then you accentuate and develop your intelligence. Because the most natural result of operating in your gift is an increase in the two sides the ability of the brain. The two sides of the brain to work together more efficiently and as you do that you think deeper you grow more branches in your brain, you grown more connections between the brain.
Sid: Okay, that would be great for a young person, I can see that, but what about a fifty year old person that is listening to us right now, is it too late for them?
Dr. Carolyn: Neither. Let me take that one step further Sid, even better my oldest client at this stage was a seventy-eight year old pilot who decided not decided, his eyes were failing at that stage so he couldn’t fly anymore. So he decided that at the age of seventy-eight to go and fulfill his real dream and his real dream had always been, his real gift had always been more of the direction of numbers. And he wants to become a CPA. So at the age of seventy-eight he came to me. I did a profile on him, it showed that he definitely was thinking in that kind of way and processing information in that kind of way he had applied that kind of logically when he was flying and he went back to school and he studied at seventy-eight, qualified at eighty-four and practiced for another ten years. And I mean that that was just outstanding. I had a fifty year old lady who had through all her life had just done clerical jobs and it wasn’t her dream but she had always been told that you’ll never amount to much, you don’t have the ability to go to the university and I said that is not the truth. Let’s look at your gift, I did the profile, showed her, this is how you think, this is with structure this is what you are doing and this point and this point in you thinking process. This is what it means for your life, this is the kind of thing, this is the kind of thinking that you have that could be doing all this kind of thing. Another thing, she was really, really, really interested in Yourt I mean she loved that kind of thinking but never thought she had the ability or the gift to do it. Well, she went back and studied until the age of fifty-two. If your brain get gets filled with age, the more you use the brain the more you use your gift the more you think.
Sid: Now wait a second, I’ve always heard your brain gets slower with age. Not better.
Dr. Caroline: Well, that is a lie from the pits of hell, so that is not science. Science is, the initial brain thought research that did that was done on people that had died, old people that had died with disease. Now, with our kind of brain techniques and technology we can look inside a brain of people that are healthy and are alive. And, we see that as you age your brain gets better with age. It is the only organ that gets better with age. The more you use your brain the more intelligent you become. It shifts, it focuses and changes like in the way that it functions but that gift of thinking, that gift of thinking in you special way, gets better and better the older you get. The more you use it. The converse is that if we don’t use our gift, if we don’t think correctly, if we don’t process, we’ve got to build gift blockers. If we build gift blockers we disrupt the natural functioning of the brain and we cause destructions in our…
Sid: Well, maybe that’s why older people are known as slowing down in their thinking process because they don’t understand those gift blockers.
Dr. Caroline: Exactly, Sid, that’s totally all the elderly people, the description is that elderly people slow down in their thinking. That is not the true understanding of brain science, the true understanding is the thinking becomes more mature and it looks different to a younger person’s thinking. Now, if they have got the stress under control and lifestyle choices like diet those play very valid draw but your thought life is the most powerful. If you have been thinking according to your gift and not thought through gift blockers. Gift blockers will accumulate over age disrupt the electrical chemical protein essential structure of the brain and we set our self up for things like Alzheimer’s and dementia.
Sid: Now, but going back to young people for just a moment, your own daughter, they wanted to put on retiling, but when you understood how her brain operated you understood her.
Dr. Caroline: It wasn’t my daughter they wanted to put on retiling it was another student that they wanted to actually put on retiling because this child kept moving and was constantly moving and constantly fiddling with things and fiddling and looking away. And I said, you know this child is really smart, let me do a gift profile. When I profiled that particular child, because I am very anti retiling for them because of what it does in the brain. When I profiled this particular student and I showed them, I said look, this child starts listening to you by moving, this child is building a temporary memory by ruddily detecting their pin, which is musical. This child is listening to you. In other words, I described the seven levels. I described the structure, she is presenting in this way because of how she is cycling through her thoughts. There is nothing wrong with her. That particular child was also a keyboard player, a musician. A phenomenal musician but she was doing really badly at math. And because she was doing badly at math, and because she had so much negative input from school because she was wiggle ling and moving around and being bad at math, she was labeled as a child with pro compre-hension ADHD. I said no, I don’t agree at all. And I profiled her and it showed me, and I asked the parents “Is she been doing some kind of musical instrument?” Well they said, she use to play keyboard. Well why doesn’t she still? Well, we stopped it because as a punishment because she wasn’t doing well in school and once her grades go up, we will bring the key board back in. I said, you are making a huge mistake here. You need to let her play key boarding immediately because her key board is her musical type of thinking is right at the top, which means.
Sid: So, when she went back to the keyboard, what happened to her math?
Dr. Caroline: It shot straight up. The grades, as soon as she went back, as soon as she got that keyboard back that child grades went up. It was miraculous, you know what happened? When you know the structure of your gift your brain..
Sid: We have a group of people that want to know their gift and they’ve got to take this gift profile and understand the brain and become all that God’s calling them to be because your brain is wired to work in a specific sequence. And when you discover the sequence you can unlock the great potential within you, you can remove the toxic thinking and this will end up with emotional and physical illness not having any place to root, not having any place to stay. It is going to actually increase your intelligence.
Sid: My guest Dr. Caroline Leaf, when you listen to her teaching, she is a Neuroscientist and she has researched the brain for over twenty years and she says you have such a unique gift inside of you. You can literally change the world if you understand the way God wired you. And Caroline, on yesterdays broadcast you talked about the brain is made up of seven ways we think, but we are all as unique as a fingerprint because we all use various portions of these seven way. I wonder if you would review that again.
Dr. Caroline : Yes, we can actually scientifically now know enough about the brain through the comprehensive modern technology we can get a better look inside the brain and based on this, we can find that we can actually describe the structure of our gift. And the purpose of that would be to understand ourselves better. If I know that I’ve received information in this way and that I’m building temporary memory like this and I’m consolidating my memories like that. In other words the brain has seven different major different areas, seven different types of thought and as you digest food you digest a thought. And your gift is how you digest that thought. The gift profile gives you the description or the structure of that unique way in which you are digesting.
Sid: And that profile is 210 questions that are just yes or no type answers that will help you discover the way your brain operates. Why is it so important for someone to discover this? What difference will it make in their life?
Dr. Caroline: Well, essentially we are in a world we were told that we should behave like that, or this is the gifted person or that’s the successful person and they try and categorize and you can’t categorize. Each of us is completely unique. So if we understand that it has a huge amount of self confidence and self esteem because if we are trying to be someone else, you will never succeed.
Sid: Yes, do you know what that reminds me of. I interviewed a man that has a marvelous healing ministry. His name is Peter Horrbin and he tells the story of a young man that was groomed to be a medical doctor by his parents and he developed cancer. When he switched professions and became a musician the cancer left.
Dr. Caroline: Wow, wow so he was moving…that is a fantastic example why you would need to know your gift and the structure of your gift. Because so often in life and I saw this in my clinical practice on numerous occasions. Parents would groom their children in a direction that was perhaps their gifting and meanwhile it wasn’t the gift of the child. I have four children and I have worked in clinical practice, I have reached thousands and millions of people through my ministry, it’s so important that I am able to recognize that each person is totally unique in order to understand them better. So why the structure of the profile would help us not to make that mistake, there is a classic example of someone in medical doctor should have been a musician he was operating out of his gift. He wasn’t thinking or allowed to think in a way that he was naturally created by our creator to think and he was working against that which caused his body to become toxic. It caused his mind to become toxic which affected his body and made him sick. This is what we have been speaking about. That your thought life would impact on the health of your body. So therefore your thought life can be described the special way that you think, the structure of your thinking is what the profile is helping people to find. Helping people to recognize, hey this is amazing. This is who you are, this is your special way that you see the world and this is good. You don’t have to be like this one or that one. You know, I have had children that come through my practice and I use to work a lot with juveniles, a lot of children from sixteen to eighteen. Even old sixteen adults because very often those or those that group of people had been written off and said oh well, that there is nothing more we could do for you. You will never succeed at school or whatever and had come through years of challenges with learning and emotional issues and the first thing I’ve always did was to fill in that profile and say look, this is how your brain processes. Show them a picture of those seven different areas and do the profile so that would understand what I was doing in each area. And I would show them how you and you listening to me now, you move through your brain in this particular way and this particular combination and this is what it means. It means that you need to move when you this, you need to think when you do this and you actually pinpoint and describe exactly what’s good for you. And, what‘s good for you then as you use that then you accentuate and develop your intelligence. Because the most natural result of operating in your gift is an increase in the two sides the ability of the brain. The two sides of the brain to work together more efficiently and as you do that you think deeper you grow more branches in your brain, you grown more connections between the brain.
Sid: Okay, that would be great for a young person, I can see that, but what about a fifty year old person that is listening to us right now, is it too late for them?
Dr. Carolyn: Neither. Let me take that one step further Sid, even better my oldest client at this stage was a seventy-eight year old pilot who decided not decided, his eyes were failing at that stage so he couldn’t fly anymore. So he decided that at the age of seventy-eight to go and fulfill his real dream and his real dream had always been, his real gift had always been more of the direction of numbers. And he wants to become a CPA. So at the age of seventy-eight he came to me. I did a profile on him, it showed that he definitely was thinking in that kind of way and processing information in that kind of way he had applied that kind of logically when he was flying and he went back to school and he studied at seventy-eight, qualified at eighty-four and practiced for another ten years. And I mean that that was just outstanding. I had a fifty year old lady who had through all her life had just done clerical jobs and it wasn’t her dream but she had always been told that you’ll never amount to much, you don’t have the ability to go to the university and I said that is not the truth. Let’s look at your gift, I did the profile, showed her, this is how you think, this is with structure this is what you are doing and this point and this point in you thinking process. This is what it means for your life, this is the kind of thing, this is the kind of thinking that you have that could be doing all this kind of thing. Another thing, she was really, really, really interested in Yourt I mean she loved that kind of thinking but never thought she had the ability or the gift to do it. Well, she went back and studied until the age of fifty-two. If your brain get gets filled with age, the more you use the brain the more you use your gift the more you think.
Sid: Now wait a second, I’ve always heard your brain gets slower with age. Not better.
Dr. Caroline: Well, that is a lie from the pits of hell, so that is not science. Science is, the initial brain thought research that did that was done on people that had died, old people that had died with disease. Now, with our kind of brain techniques and technology we can look inside a brain of people that are healthy and are alive. And, we see that as you age your brain gets better with age. It is the only organ that gets better with age. The more you use your brain the more intelligent you become. It shifts, it focuses and changes like in the way that it functions but that gift of thinking, that gift of thinking in you special way, gets better and better the older you get. The more you use it. The converse is that if we don’t use our gift, if we don’t think correctly, if we don’t process, we’ve got to build gift blockers. If we build gift blockers we disrupt the natural functioning of the brain and we cause destructions in our…
Sid: Well, maybe that’s why older people are known as slowing down in their thinking process because they don’t understand those gift blockers.
Dr. Caroline: Exactly, Sid, that’s totally all the elderly people, the description is that elderly people slow down in their thinking. That is not the true understanding of brain science, the true understanding is the thinking becomes more mature and it looks different to a younger person’s thinking. Now, if they have got the stress under control and lifestyle choices like diet those play very valid draw but your thought life is the most powerful. If you have been thinking according to your gift and not thought through gift blockers. Gift blockers will accumulate over age disrupt the electrical chemical protein essential structure of the brain and we set our self up for things like Alzheimer’s and dementia.
Sid: Now, but going back to young people for just a moment, your own daughter, they wanted to put on retiling, but when you understood how her brain operated you understood her.
Dr. Caroline: It wasn’t my daughter they wanted to put on retiling it was another student that they wanted to actually put on retiling because this child kept moving and was constantly moving and constantly fiddling with things and fiddling and looking away. And I said, you know this child is really smart, let me do a gift profile. When I profiled that particular child, because I am very anti retiling for them because of what it does in the brain. When I profiled this particular student and I showed them, I said look, this child starts listening to you by moving, this child is building a temporary memory by ruddily detecting their pin, which is musical. This child is listening to you. In other words, I described the seven levels. I described the structure, she is presenting in this way because of how she is cycling through her thoughts. There is nothing wrong with her. That particular child was also a keyboard player, a musician. A phenomenal musician but she was doing really badly at math. And because she was doing badly at math, and because she had so much negative input from school because she was wiggle ling and moving around and being bad at math, she was labeled as a child with pro compre-hension ADHD. I said no, I don’t agree at all. And I profiled her and it showed me, and I asked the parents “Is she been doing some kind of musical instrument?” Well they said, she use to play keyboard. Well why doesn’t she still? Well, we stopped it because as a punishment because she wasn’t doing well in school and once her grades go up, we will bring the key board back in. I said, you are making a huge mistake here. You need to let her play key boarding immediately because her key board is her musical type of thinking is right at the top, which means.
Sid: So, when she went back to the keyboard, what happened to her math?
Dr. Caroline: It shot straight up. The grades, as soon as she went back, as soon as she got that keyboard back that child grades went up. It was miraculous, you know what happened? When you know the structure of your gift your brain..
Sid: We have a group of people that want to know their gift and they’ve got to take this gift profile and understand the brain and become all that God’s calling them to be because your brain is wired to work in a specific sequence. And when you discover the sequence you can unlock the great potential within you, you can remove the toxic thinking and this will end up with emotional and physical illness not having any place to root, not having any place to stay. It is going to actually increase your intelligence.
Sid Roth welcomes Nathan Morris
SID: Hello. Sid Roth here. And I am with a young man that the fire of God has gone through his whole body and when he speaks this happens to other people. Now Nathan, you have been going all over the world and having campaigns. Tell me what you’re seeing with your own eyes at these campaigns.
NATHAN: Very early in my Christian walk within the first 12 months that I came to Christ I began to go after God, pursue God. I’d spend hours in prayer with Him. I’d come in from work. I just wanted to be in the presence of Jesus.
SID: When you would pursue Him, just help me out, what would you do?
NATHAN: Oh, I was like a passionate young man. I used to cry out to God, “God, I want your fire! God, fill me. Use me, Lord. Whatever you want to do, God, I want your presence.” You see, for me, it wasn’t about gospel campaigns then. I just wanted the presence of God. I had grown up in church. Sid, I did not want to sit in a pew for the rest of my days playing church. I wanted the real, I wanted the genuine. When Jesus said, “I shall fill you with the Spirit of God,” then I wanted to be filled.
SID: Aren’t you tired of sitting on your hands in church? Aren’t you tired of being comfortable sitting on your hands? Let me tell you what happens when you stop sitting on your hands and you put your hands up to the air and praise the living God. That’s what you should be doing. I mean, there’s something more life than work and sleep, and that’s the way it goes. There must be something more. That’s what I’m hearing you say. So tell me, after this season what goes on in other countries?
NATHAN: Invitations began to come in from around the world. Men that were influential in their nations, they didn’t need a young guy with no qualifications and no Bible theology. But the Lord began to open doors. I was in a field; I remember 10,000 people in our first ever crusade. They were bringing people in on beds. There were people with growths and tumors, people that were involved in witchcraft. And I stood there, Sid, and I said to the Lord, “Lord, when did I think this was a good idea?” I didn’t know what I was gonna do. I’m thinking, Jesus, people are on mats. Lord, what am I gonna do? And the Lord spoke to me and said, “This was never your idea. This was mine. Now get up there and open your mouth.” And you know, I got up there.
SID: So God wasn’t surprised.
NATHAN: No. And I got up there and I preached my heart out. I preached the cross and the blood. And Sid, I just want to take this opportunity; we got to start preaching the Gospel. We’ve watered it down to make it pleasing to a western world. And I want to tell you that when you water down the Gospel you take the power out.
SID: But wait a second now. Seeker sensitive is the spirit of this age. When are we going to be God sensitive? When are we going to be God sensitive?
NATHAN: You know, I began to preach about the blood of Jesus Christ and the cross, and the power of his resurrection. That night over 6000 gave their lives to Jesus Christ, Muslims, people that knew nothing of Christ. Almost instantaneously miracles began to happen. My good friend, my assistant Matthew, he was bringing up people with crutches that were crippled, blind, deaf from birth. And I mean, you see on the early videos, my eyeballs–
SID: I’m sure, I’m sure.
NATHAN: Jesus, you know.
SID: I mean, if that was happening to you, how would your eyeballs be? You know what I mean?
NATHAN: I mean, but I suddenly realized the power of the Gospel. When you preach the Kingdom, the Holy Spirit comes and does the signs and the wonders that go in the Kingdom of God.
SID: Maybe that’s what’s missing in the American church.
NATHAN: Oh yeah. I tell you, we got to preach the blood. We’ve got to preach the blood of Jesus Christ. When you’re in Africa and India, witch doctors are coming to curse you, you can’t preach a wishy-washy message. You got to preach where the power is. The Bible says that the Gospel is the power of God unto salvation. When you preach the blood Hell must recognize it. It must bow to me.
SID: Tell me about the day all this is going on in your life and you’re on Cloud 9. I mean, I’m running out of words to say. You don’t have words for the, and the thick manifest, tangible presence of the living God, and he gets a text message. You get text messages. Tell me about that message.
NATHAN: Well my heart was in the gospel campaigns around the world. In the first year of the ministry we saw 30,000. Within two, three years, over 100,000 decisions, Muslims, Hindus. We had seen all manner of miracles. But then I get an invite to come and do a conference for a pastor who was dear to my family, Pastor John Kilpatrick.
SID: From the Brownsville Revival.
NATHAN: Yes.
SID: Which you saw the tapes, which caused the fire of God to hit you. I got it.
NATHAN: Yes. So straight away I was nervous. I was thinking, Lord Jesus, what’s happening now? You know, what are you about to do? And really, a friend of mine, that day I was supposed to speak with Pastor John. I had never spoken to him before. And I get a text message from a dear friend of mine, and he texted me a message. He said, “Alabama Crimson Tide have won the national championship.”
SID: That meant zero to you.
NATHAN: That meant zero to me.
SID: I’m sure. You’re in England. What do you expect?
NATHAN: I’m a soccer fan, you know. I don’t mean to offend the people that are here right now, but it meant nothing to me. And I thought he must have made a mistake. I thought he sent me a wrong text message. I don’t care. I thought nothing of it. I spoke with Pastor John literally about three, four hours later, and Pastor John, one of the first lines he said to me, he said, “Nathan, did you know that the papers have said that Alabama Crimson Tide have won the national championship. The glory returns to Alabama.”
SID: The headline said that?
NATHAN: Yeah.
SID: I’d say the glory has returned to Alabama. And then you get a vision. Tell me about that.
NATHAN: Well I knew God was up to something. I got invited to speak at the conference. I put the phone down. I went to go and pray. And when got on my knees, I’ve had few visions in my life. The few visions I’ve seen were all the gospel campaigns around Africa and India. But I began to pray about this. I said, “Lord, do you want me to go to Alabama?” And the Lord showed me a great vision, one of the most powerful visions I’ve seen. And I saw a tidal wave. It was a wave bigger than I had ever seen ever in my life. But what was unusual, what was supernatural about it was that it was crimson red in color. And I saw this wave and suddenly I saw Pastor John on his knees.
SID: Hold that thought. We’ll be right back after this word. I know you’re coming back. I know.
Sid Roth welcomes Katie Souza
Sid: The wall of separation has come down to form one new being, one new man and this new man has a name, in Hebrew, Yeshua in English, Jesus. That’s what Paul meant when he said the reason that Jesus came was to break down that middle wall of separation between Jew and Gentile to form a brand new species of being. A full dwelling place for God and that is what we are about ready to see Mishpochah. My guest, Katie Souza has got what I know is the key, the revelation to reach the Jew. Why do I say that? The Bible says the Jew requires a sign. It also says, in Roman’s 11:11 Salvation has come to the Gentile to provoke the Jew to jealousy, in other words, to move in signs and wonders to provoke the Jew to jealousy. So if you can understand the revelation of all of the healing that is available to us in Jesus, you can not only walk in Devine health, but you can reach Jewish people. Who then can reach the Gentiles, the two; arm in arm will embark in the greatest revival the world has ever seen.
Sid: Now Katie, on yesterdays broadcast you said you had just got out of prison and you had seen some healings, but God directed you to Bethel Church in Redding, California. You went there and a couple of housewives grabbed hold of you. They laid hands on you. There was a tangible impartation of the healing anointing. You went home because your mother had been sick with a horrible disease for twenty-five years. It was literally eating her hip bones and other bones from her body and she was in agonizing pain there was nothing the doctors could do for her. You really wanted answers to healing. You get home, you lay hands on her. You’d feel something going on like a switch comes on. You feel power of God going into her. You are convinced she is healed but she is not. Then your Dad, you did the same thing for. He had a prostrate problem that he needed surgery for. He gets instantly healed and you know there is some sort of blockage and the Lord reveals to you what the blockage is. It is in the demonic realm, but he gives you an understanding that there are orders of demons. The strongest, the weakest and the strongest, is the king. And if you can get rid of the king, if you can knock the king out of the demonic kingdom over that sickness then all the other demons flee as if in terror. So you understand this, now. This revelation from God, what do you do about it?
Katie: Well, I saw that when Goliath was beaten, that his army instantly fled, so I knew that it was truth. When you start at the top and work your way down that the powers and the master spirits underneath these kings are going to leave, and I saw Jesus doing it. I was like, I want to Jesus doing everything. Because, if Jesus does something then that means it’s totally biblical and it is the way that He would do it and He was always successful in every healing that He did. And it says in the scriptures that Jesus took out the kings. Do you remember the showdown in the desert with Him and Satan?
Sid: Right.
Katie: It said that Satan said to Him, they took Him up on the high mountain and he said to Him, “Let me show you all kingdoms. If you just bow to me once to pay homage to me I’ll give you all these kingdoms. He wasn’t talking about, fancy cities like Jerusalem or Egypt. He was talking about his demonic realms, his kings, where all kingdoms were where all his kings were in positions of power. And Jesus took them out in the desert. Now remember this is Jesus did that in the beginning of His ministry before He even started doing signs and wonders and healing. And from that point on because he took out Satan and the kings first, every power and master spirit Jesus came up against just submitted to Him without a fight, because Jesus knew the right order in fighting the kingdom. He started from the top down. So when I got that revelation I was like okay, I got to take out the kings first. There are kings over Mom and I need to know which one it is Lord and He said well, one of them is in Isaiah 14. So I went to that chapter and sure enough Sid, it was about a king and his name was a satanic king of Babylon. As I began to read the scriptures about him, I knew that the king of Babylon in the natural was the king that had taken the Israelites into physical captivity in Babylon. Well, the satanic king that’s his same job. He’s in charge of physically imprisoning us in our body. And as I read in the Amplified in Isaiah 14 all his job descriptions, you could see that he “caused us pain,”” weakened us,”” troubled us.” Wow, those are all things that are talking about the body, the physical body. So, I began to make war with this king against Mom. And, you know what? I didn’t even know how to do it.
Sid: I was just going to ask you. How did you make war with this king?
Katie: Right, well in the beginning, in this teaching that you are offering I give, step by step instructions on how to fight the kings. But for me in the beginning, I had the basic most important. I had the scriptures.
Sid: By the way, speaking of the scriptures. I thought, that when I was looking over my notes on your teaching. I thought that it’s amazing what Isaiah 14 reveals that this king of Babylon does. I mean, it sounds like ever disease you can think of. Pains and everything connected with disease.
Katie: Right, those were like his job descriptions. He weakens us, “he lays us prostrate”. I mean that is so description of diseases and bodily affections and I thought this guy indeed is a king and he is in charge of causing our physical pain and illness. So when I saw that I knew that the scripture was proving what God was saying to me. And so, not knowing anything else to do, but just having the most important thing, the word of God. I just began to read that scripture out loud and decree it against this king that was over Mom. One of the things it said in that scripture is that we take up a taunt against him and he would fall from his position of power. Now, you see the demonic realm is based in the second heaven. So, as I began to fight and command him to fall, I could feel burning on my legs, Sid and power being released from my stomach. And all of the sudden in an open eye vision, I saw this being look like a man falling through the clouds down to the earth. And when I saw him, he was even screaming. Ah. Ah and as I saw him I said, what was that Lord. And the Lord said, don’t you remember when that happened? And he brought to my mind the scriptures about the 72 and they were given the same anointing that I had gotten at Bethel. The Matthew 10 anointing that drives out demons and heals the sick. And he said that when they went out with that anointing and they came back they were like, Jesus wow, even the demons submitted to us in your name. And Jesus said, well I saw Satan fall like lightning from the sky.
Sid: That’s exactly what you saw in your vision.
Katie: Exactly. And so there it is. To me that proved, wow this revelation is true. Wow it really works. Wow I fought against that king he actually fell from the sky. Because Jesus wasn’t just talking about Satan falling, he is talking about Satan’s kingdoms his kings and their kingdoms. I actually saw him fall so I knew it was working. And that night we went over to my mother’s house, me and two of my team members. We started praying for my Mom and in the middle of it, one of my team members, Jean, stood up and she had an angel feather stuck to her shirt, Sid. Here is the thing. Mom didn’t have any down blankets or pillows in that room, nothing like that. When I looked at that feather, I said God what is that? And I heard in my mind Acts 12:10. When I went to it was about the Angel of the Lord breaking Peter out of prison. Right there I knew that God was saying, yes it worked. That king was over your Mom. You commanded him to fall. He fell and now the Angel of the Lord came in response to your prayer to break your Mom out of prison and he left his calling card behind.
Sid: So what happened to her hip?
Katie: Well, first what happened is she was delivered of addiction to dilaudid which is a prescription equivalent to Heroin. She had been addicted to that for 10 years, Sid. That was completely removed from her body. And then, about six months later, I had been releasing the Glory Light on her and we talk about that later, on her hip believing and commanding for it to grow back.
Sid: And that‘s that new revelation of the Glory Light, which is our bonus CD, which I am overwhelmed over the revelation that you got on that, so go ahead.
Katie: She had the one hip removed, but the other hip she had was about to be taken out because it was getting so thin. The leg bone was about to break through the hip into the intestines. So the Lord said release the “Glory Light” on that hip so that it can be strengthening and restored. I began to that. I was in Australia when I did it Sid. I was in Australia and as I’m coming home I was in another…
Sid: It doesn’t matter how far away you are, just as in the New Testament and Jesus just spoke the word only and the Centurion’s servant was healed.
Katie: Long distant healing.
Sid: That’s right.
Katie: Jesus did it so we can to. As I was coming back to America, I was in another state and the Lord said now her leg bone is not in the joint of her hip. You need to command it to come together, bone to its bone. He actually gave me the word thundering. I was like thundering? I did a word search on thundering in the Bible and it was in that scripture with Ezekiel. It says there was a shaking, a rattling and thundering and the bones came together, bone to its bone. So when I saw that after I heard the word thundering, I got so excited. When I came back home, I got off the plane, I ran over to her house, I ran into her room and she didn’t even know what I was doing. And I began to command those bones to come together for that leg bone to go into socket. I didn’t even say that. I didn’t even say l for the leg bone go into its socket. I just said come together bone to its bone and all of the sudden, Mom goes ouch. I said ouch what? And I thought I had hurt her or something and she goes I had a pain. Well what kind of a pain? She said “well it was not really a pain, it was more of a feeling of like when the ball of a truck goes into the hitch of a tailor.”
Sid: To make a long story short because we are running out of time. She got off her drug addiction, and more important, you learned some key principals of healing. You’ve have learned so much more since and you’ve put together your Healing School which is six CDs. Which I believe are many of the missing keys of healing revealed, especially healing in the glory. How to heal soul wounds in the glory. The keys to having unsaved people saved from the glory. We are making that available in the bonus CD, the Glory Light.
Sid Roth welcomes Julie True
Sid: My guest is so in love with the Lord. And as she worships the Lord literally her love for the Lord and the Lord’s love for her pours out of this music. And Julie True I happen to think the reason that even little children, babies crying, it calms them down is this love of God pours right into their spirit. What do you think about that?
Julie: We’ve had countless people respond to that, mothers have told us about their children who wouldn’t sleep and then they were able to be comforted.
Sid: I have a picture here of a little baby and a mother, Hope Seth. I guess this is when her daughter was just a little younger, the cutest picture. Have you seen that picture with the ribbon around her the top of the head?
Julie: Yes.
Sid: Is that cute? I mean, I wish everyone could see that particular picture. But I caught up with Hope Seth and let’s hear what she told me:
Recorded message:
Sid: I have Hope Seth on the telephone and she had a new baby daughter. What happened Hope?
Hope Seth: Yes, well shortly after she was born, you know she would be real fussy like most babies are and we would try all kinds of different things to get her to calm down. We would walk, we would bounce her, but I found that one day I thought well I’m just going to put on some worship music and see how she responds to it. And so I had Julie True’s CD here and I put it in, and within maybe 30 seconds she had completely calmed down. I found that when we would go on car rides and she would get fussy I would have another copy of her CD in the car and I would play it, and again she would totally be still and actually fall asleep. I even tried, I thought I would mix it up; I was like let’s try some classical music and let’s see what would happen. Nothing worked like Julie’s music did. It really was amazing. In fact, my husband when I would have to go out to the store, he would be like, please don’t leave me here without… don’t take the CD with you. I would have to leave it here for him in case she would get fussy. We would just put it on and it would still her.
Sid: And you have a neat description of Julie’s music. What is that?
Hope Seth: Yeah, you know, it reminds me of peace packaged in music a lot. I really kind of thought of it a lot like probably King David when he was called in to play for Saul. That there was actually peace or an anointing that rested on his music as he played that stops things or torment. That’s what it felt like. It felt like there was just peace on that music and as soon as it would begin to play, she would be still and quiet.
Sid: Thank you.
End of recorded message.
Sid: I have to believe that so many babies are calmed down, the reason that people with insomnia are able to sleep, the reason in this stressful world that were living in. Someone can just close their door put on your CD Julie and experience that peace. It kind of reminds me of David when he would play the harp before a mad man, King Saul. He was mad, so mad, that he wanted to kill David one time, but it would just calm him. It would just take away every evil thought and all stress. I have to believe that’s the reason so many people are getting healed when they listen to your music, and that is why it is being used by so many healing rooms. But some people’s reaction is a lot of crying. What do you think is going on when they cry, when they hear your music?
Julie: I believe that God’s touching them and you know it’s tapping into places in their own heart, the cries of their own heart and it’s a cleaning. It really cleanses you.
Sid: Do you remember the guy in the United Kingdom that cried for three days, tell me about him.
Julie: Well, he had had all kinds of physical sickness. And it’s a very long story of how all kinds of things he had struggled with all through the years, and he started listening to my music and just started feeling like God was showing that there was an inner connection that was effecting his outer physical ailments. And so anyway, this one day he was listening to the song called “Meet Me Here”, and he said that the Lord just dropped the word rejection into his spirit. And he realized that that was a revelation of about what had affected his physical sickness and it was the rejection, and I believe from his parents. And so anyway, he cried and cried and cried, and so it is a period of cleansing that happens sometimes when God taps into a deep place in our heart and it brings healing.
Sid: And the thing that I find kind of interesting is once someone is cleansed, and then many times they break out in joy when they are listening to your music. It’s kind of, they go through that whole cycle.
Julie: Yes. There was one man from another country, Korea I think, he said that he was just jumping up and down and laughing after he had had this whole period of weeping and weeping and God just filled him up. It is like he got cleanses and let go of all this pain, and then he got filled up with the joy of the Lord.
Sid: Tell me about this selection how you happen to it. In all of Julie’s music it is spontaneous; it is the Spirit, the singing. Tell me about the song “Let Your Joy Rise Up.”
Julie: Well, we were in the Healing Rooms again one day, and my partner in there that was praying she started feeling like we were suppose to tap into joy and just kind of begin to receive the joy of Lord. Well, I was not feeling at all joyful. There was a lot going on, a lot oppression of my own world at that moment. And so I believe though that you can speak things that are not into being basically and that we have a lot of power in our words. And so I just began to start speaking, let the singing, “let the joy rise up, let the joy rise up in me” and you can tell when I beginning to sing it that it is not like I’m all there yet, but I am just speaking it and singing it into being. We can all do that.
Sid: Well, why doesn’t everyone do that right now. Let’s hear, “Let Your Joy Rise.”
Played song.
Sid: You can see why we have so many reports of people being healed, so many people that have problems with insomnia, babies being able to sleep. There is a supernatural peace that is imparted from Julie True’s music. If I was to say that the one thing that this does, and you realize that doctors say most problems, most physical problems that people have is involved with stress. This is a stress buster, that is what her music is and so I want to make her two latest CDs “Breathe You In” and Sounds of Healing available. We have a bonus because when you understand the principles of soaking that’s been literally stolen from us, but were getting it back. Were beginning to understand how you can soak in God’s presence and soak in the life of God and soak out the problems in your life. We are including Cindy Parton’s CD which teaches you how to soak, how to set up a soaking room even if you want for other to participate. How to hear God’s voice, how to enter into His presence, that bonus CD and the two music CDs by Julie True, we call it a mini soaking kit.
Our Guest Dr. Caroline Leaf
SID: Hello. Sid Roth here with Dr. Caroline Leaf. And Dr Leaf, I was just reminded when your gift is ignored you literally can’t even hear the Holy Spirit.
DR. LEAF: No. It blocks completely because your thinking is like a triangle between your brain where your thinking is happening, and then also down to your heart, there’s like a link. So your heart has like a mini brain and that mini brain feeds up to, it’s like a checking station. It checks for the integrity of the message. And that keeps your mind calm. It keeps your mind, but if we ignore the message from the heart then it throws our brain into stress. So it’s almost as though God has built in, okay, you’re not thinking clearly. Let’s just get a little checking station from heart. Listen to the heart. And as the heart calms the brain down your heart will release a chemical called ANF. When that flows through your body you get that feeling of peace. That’s the right place.
SID: Now you list so many gift blockers. What happens when you are involved in a gift blocker?
DR. LEAF: Well if I can start with something like depression, which is such a prevalent problem in today’s times. It’s really become, it’s an epidemic. It very often will start in this area of the brain called the ACG that I was explaining in the last segment. And if we talk about the areas of actually one of these trees over there it’s like this road block. So as you’re thinking it gets stuck there, and when it gets stuck there there’s information in that area. So the whole electrical chemical balance is upset. So I almost like skip that part of my thinking process. And in order to think properly, to use my gift properly, which is my unique way of thinking, I have to go through all seven. So if I skip one of them or jump over one of them, or partially go through one of those areas, something happens in the process of digesting that thought, which means I won’t think clearly. I’ll get the feeling of fogginess in my mind. It can lead to anxiety, worry, depression, increase the depression, increase the anxiety. It becomes a vicious cycle and that’s not a healthy state to be in ‘cause that could manifest in the body.
SID: Give me another gift blocker.
DR. LEAF: Well you can have anything like, what I’ve done is to make it easy for people to identify gift blockers, I’ve identified 12 areas. If you think of this tree having a root, this would be a fear tree, because this not a gray tree. This root, the roots of this tree have got 12 different roots. Now why 12? I’ve taken what I call the dirty dozen. And the dirty dozen are like areas, because people have got so many thoughts going through their heads. Often people will say, where do I start? Where do I find my gift because there’s so many things that are blocking my mind. So to simply find, okay, 12 categories, and you choose a categories where you want to start. So for example, maybe toxic love or toxic touch, or toxic dreams, or whatever, toxic thoughts, toxic emotions. So you identify the area and each one of those deals, okay, what is toxic love? What is love first of all? So we start with the positive side. Love is a very positive thing. When you’re in a state of love, which is joy, peace, patience, kindness, all the good stuff, your body is wired according to how it should be operating. You’ve got peace in your body. You’re thinking clearly. So that’s on the positive side. But then we can have toxic love, which could be maybe you had a bad relationship with a parent or a bad relationship with a spouse, or there was some kind of toxic thing. So what was meant for good becomes distorted. So instead of having this experience of my mom loved me or my dad loved me, or whatever, or relationship with a spouse, you now have this big black tree in your brain and that thing is now blocking your ability to think. So then we need to renew the mind. We need to rewire that. We need to bring this into consciousness and we need to actually melt that down, which your brain can do.
SID: And that’s the most wonderful thing. You can melt down these gift blockers and release good chemicals. I loved your section on monkey hug. Explain that.
DR. LEAF: That is so cute. They did an experiment with rhesus monkeys and baby monkeys were separated from their mothers. Some would live with their mothers and some were put in cages and they would just feed with a bottle. There was no touching and hugging. And these little monkeys, the ones that didn’t have the touch and the hug became very ill. They have cortisol, all these stress chemicals. Their body went into 1400 different chemical reactions went chaotic and some of them even died. Then the took those baby monkeys that were quite sick and put them with the mommy monkey who loved them, touched them, hugged them, and those baby monkeys got better. If you take that experiment, the concept of that experiment, not monkeys obviously, but the concept of touch, what it did in the body, and they’ve done lots of experiments obviously with humans as well in terms of touch. As we touch we release endorphins in our body. Endorphins are like pain killers. They make you feel calm. They make you feel peaceful. They make you feel good. So we have sense receptors in our body and women have 10 times more men in our body. So when we touch we actually release those chemicals, the endorphins, which then send a message to the brain that, hey I’m calm, I’m peaceful, a message to the heart, and you find yourself thinking clearly. So just by going up to someone and smiling at them and saying, “Hey, you look great today. Well done. That was great” and patting him on the shoulder, giving him a hug, that kind of touch releases, it reflects that you are showing love to them. It releases love chemicals.
SID: I hear a lot of people talking about sowing money so money will come back. How about the idea of sowing love so love will come back?
DR. LEAF: I love that one.
SID: And how about the Word of God? What does that do to that toxic stuff?
DR. LEAF: That wipes that out. I mean, if you’ve got the Word of God is healthy, green, live, living trees. When we memorize scripture, when we pray, when we worship God our brain gets thicker.
SID: What’s gonna happen when someone digests what you’re saying, gets rid of those gift blockers and gets rid of that, and gets that? Lift that up. How much peace are they gonna have?
DR. LEAF: Peace is gonna flow through their body because that sends a message from the brain down to the heart.
SID: My faith is soaring because I see everything Jesus said, how it affects everything we see, touch feel, react to. Get ready to walk in your destiny. Get ready to experience extraordinary supernatural peace.
Our Guest Dr. Caroline Leaf
SID: Hello. Sid Roth here with Dr. Caroline Leaf, and she is a neuroscientist and has researched the brain for 25 years, cutting edge research. And she has found that no matter how old you are, if you’re as old as I am, 70, or if you’re 20 years old, that’s a lot of years that you have wired yourself like this. And wouldn’t it be neat if in 21 days, listen, it’s going to affect your physical health. It’s going to affect your relationships with people. It’s going to affect your emotional health. It’s going to affect you fulfilling your destiny of why God put you on this earth. So tell me, you said there’s hope for me. Tell me what I should do.
DR. LEAF: There’s hope for all of us. Well let me start by explaining, you mentioned, you asked me one of the things you loved about this is the fact that we can change our genetic expression literally. So now when we rewire, what we have to do is we have to change the way in which our genes are expressing themselves. Now all that that means is that our genes make protein. Proteins are the building blocks that build our thoughts. So what they have found is that over and above the gene there is the epigenome. And the epigenome is over and above the gene, and that simply is our thoughts. Our thoughts are the electrical flow. These thoughts are real things and they generate the electrical flow right to the gene level.
SID: So would you say that our thoughts can activate the good or the bad genes?
DR. LEAF: Exactly. That’s exactly what I’m saying. This is incredibly powerful, because this is what it says in the Bible. It’s what God is saying, is what a man thinks in his heart so is he. So is he, this is what’s dominating my thinking. That’s who I’m going to become. So I have to rewire this. I have to have more building blocks. I have to melt this down and I have to rebuild this. So I have to use my thoughts to change. So this is a negative thought. Like maybe someone had alcoholism in their family or depression, or some negative abuse thing that happened to them. This doesn’t have to be something that you can keep. This is something that you can rewire. And scientifically what happens is that these, your unconscious mind is filled with billions of thoughts. Now I’m going hide this for a moment. So your unconscious mind with all these billions and billions, and billions of trees, forests that at any one time you’ll have a mixture of black and green trees. Hopefully more green than black, but the black we want to get rid of. So then what happens is as we go through life prompting happens, and this moves into the conscious mind. When it moves into the conscious mind it then becomes, I want to shake it, malleable, plastic, changeable, and we can now use our own ability that God has designed to change those trees. That’s why it’s called neuroplasticity. That it’s directed by our thought life. At the front of the brain you have what we call the frontal lobe. Your frontal lobe enables you to stand outside of yourself and look at these things and observe your talking, your thinking, your laugh. You can observe everything. God has built that into us, which his quite phenomenal. Now we use that ability to stand back and say, hey, this is a bad thought. This is how I’m feeling. This is what my body feels like. I actually probably have this kind of ache or pain, or whatever it may be because of these things. The fact that it’s moved into consciousness God wants us to do something with it. So He’s created and designed the brain in such a way that it’s very malleable. If we say “I can’t” that is a decision. It will become more toxic and then back into the unconscious, inflaming and throwing our body into stress, stage two and three of stress.
SID: So even if we’re not thinking about it, it’s there.
DR. LEAF: It’s there.
SID: It’s working against us.
DR. LEAF: It’s working against us. It’s throwing your body into stage two and eventually stage three of stress, which is called the dead cycle. So when it’s out here I have a chance to get rid of it. So what I need to do is I need chemicals to flow around this tree that will melt it down. Now within 24 to 48 hours of this popping out I can make a decision with my frontal lobe of my brain, the front part of my brain to say, hey, this is not good for me, and I’m gonna believe that God is who He says He is. If we take Mark 11:22, it talks about have faith in God. When we build our faith in who God is, that He is who He says He is, if we recognize who we are in God, what it means to have a God who is a creator, whatever it is that you build your faith, as you do that you get excited. You said to me when you read the Bible you can’t sleep at night because you get so excited.
SID: Right.
DR. LEAF: Now when you get that excitement rush, that is evidence that you’ve got a lot what we call dopamine and your transmitter that flows around this thing and starts melting this tree down. Then God says in Verse 23, He talks about, “Speak to the mountain.” This is the mountain. So now we speak the Word of God at this mountain. The Word of God is living and alive. So as we speak the Word of God from what we’ve read from the scriptures, we speak literally, if I may, the green tree, the healthy Word of God at this mountain. So we put on scriptures we know, things that we’re reading, whatever it is, and we speak to this mountain covering it. And as we do that more chemicals flow: oxytocin, serotonin, and the combination of those three, plus a few more, literally, Sid, melt this thing down and then we can rebuild next to it the healthy green trees. So the point this may be an abuse. We can get rid of this, get rid of this pain because those chemicals carry the physical feeling of pain. Those branches carry the actual–
SID: So you’re saying I can go from this to this in 21 days?
DR. LEAF: I’m 21 days. I melt this down and I start building this parallel to the thing melting down. You cannot have a black and a green tree in the same tree at the same time. There’s a scripture in 1 John 4:18: “Perfect love expels fear.” Perfect love expels fear. That’s literally what is happening on a scientific level, and it takes 21 days.
SID: You know what she does? She works with young people that had brain injuries that doctors have given up on, explaining the Word of God based on science. And tell me one young person and what happened to their life, that you worked with.
DR. LEAF: You’ll be happy to know that I work with young and I’ve worked with old, and I’ve got to tell you this quickly. So there was one gentleman, 78-years, he was a pilot. And he wanted to go, his eyes weren’t good enough, he couldn’t fly any more, so he wanted to go back and do his second career, which was to become a CPA. So I taught him how to use his mind and his brain, learn get rid of the toxic trees, and he went and completed that at 84, and he practiced another 18, 19 years after. So that’s really an amazing story. So at any age, from whatever age you can change your brain. A young man I worked with had huge holes in his brain from a really, really bad traumatic brain injury. He was, when I started working with him it was about three or four years after his accident. Now according to the old brain research, if you work with someone after 14 months there’s not much more spontaneous recovery that can happen. They kind of hit a ceiling. So in the early days of my research, when I was doing neuroplasty research with traumatic brain injury, I worked with this young man for three months. This young man made a decision. I have to stress this. He made the decision to apply the principles of neuroplasticity. He took this into his life. When I started working with him he was coping, he was 24 years of age and he was coping at around about a sixth, eighth grade level. Within three short months that young man, not only did he change, he went on to complete his schooling, went on to get four degrees, and is currently one of our top motivational speakers in South Africa.
SID: One more quick thing you told me. You know, what most people, Hollywood tells you as you get older your mind slows down and you don’t remember things, and you said the opposite is true from using the Word of God.
DR. LEAF: Absolutely. When you study, when you spend time with God, when you study the Word of God, when you study the Bible, when you get the Word of God in your mind, when you pray, when you praise and you worship, your brain, they’ve actually seen in laboratories, the external part of the brain thickens.
SID: So in effect, you should be getting smarter.
DR. LEAF: That’s what it says.
SID: I tell you what, I love the Word of God, and I love that science is proving the Word of God. Don’t you?