Sid Roth

Sid:  We want everyone everywhere to recognize that we are living in a new day, in a new time.  We are living at the fullness of the Gentile Age at the time in which God is removing the spiritual scales of the eyes of Jewish people.  And that’s why I’m so excited to introduce my good friend, Rabbi Jonathan Bernis, and in particular his brand new book, literally just off the press called, “A Rabbi Looks at the Last Days.”  Jonathan, the world doesn’t need another book on the last days.  Why did you write a book with such a title “A Rabbi Looks at the Last Days?”

Jonathan:  Sid I wrote this book because after twenty-eight years of being immersed in Bible prophecy I’m convinced that what most Bible teachers or end-time teachers are teaching is just wrong.  And that’s like why the title of chapter one is, “What if everything you’ve heard about the last days is wrong?”  The problem is that there are prophecies being fulfilled before our very eyes and most Christians don’t see them because they haven’t been taught to look for them, or they’ve been taught that these things are irrelevant.  And yet they’re black and white prophecy being fulfilled concerning the last days.  And the reason it’s so important for Christians to know about these is because we’ve been told to participate in God’s plan for the Jewish people in the last days.  And that’s why I wrote the book I want everyone that’s listening to fulfill their destiny, God’s given each one a destiny and I want everyone that’s listening to be able to stand in front of Jesus and hear Him say “Good and faithful servant, well done, come and enter my rest.”  But opportunities are being missed daily and the clock is ticking.

Sid:  Now, one of the tricks of the enemy is to get some genuine believers in the Messiah to be involved in Replacement Theology, by that I mean the Church replaces everything we read about natural Israel and the Bible.  Why is that so horrible and why is it wrong?

Jonathan:  It’s horrible because it’s totally against scripture and the Jewish people are the key to understanding last days prophecy, they were the key to the first coming of Messiah, they’re the key to second coming of Messiah; they’re the key to the redemption of the world.  Is that enough Sid, I can go on?

Sid:  And why is Replacement Theology so anti-Bible?

Jonathan:  It’s anti-Bible because the Bible says that when the Jewish people come back it will bring life from the dead when they come back to God and they come back to God through believers, through followers of the Messiah, through Christians.  And if Christians don’t understand there God given destiny and mandate they don’t fulfill this at all and Jewish people don’t come back in the numbers God has ordained them to come back in and release life from the dead upon the world.  Sid, one of the things I talk about in the very beginning of the book is that one of the keys to the whole thing is understanding how important the very existence of anti-Semitism is; why anti-Semitism exists, and what Christians should understand about this.  That’s absolutely key and to do that you have to go all the way back to Genesis 3:15 which is the fall of man in the garden and the first, the first declaration of redemption, the first Gospel message or Gospel promise in all of scripture which is “I will put enmity between you and the woman and between your seed and her seed and you shall bruise his heal, but he shall crush your head.”  That is absolutely foundational in understanding the last-days believe it or not?

Sid:  Briefly explain why.

Jonathan:  Okay, simply this.  That I believe that anti-Semitism, the root of anti-Semitism is Satan’s commitment to self preservation; in other words his death sentence that’s been pronounced over him by the Lord Himself come through the seed of the woman, and the seed of the woman which is talking about the Redeemer, talking about the Messiah, talking about Christ, or Messiah, is the person of Jesus and Jesus comes through the seed of Abraham.  So the whole plan of the enemy is keep the Redeemer from coming and by doing that you just have to destroy the seed of Abraham.  And so the seed of Abraham is the backbone to understanding God’s plan for the redemption of the world, and the last days are about the final plans of redemption of the world.  So you have to understand that the role that the seed of Abraham plays, in not only the first coming, but in the second coming of Christ and therefore Satan’s primary goal has been destroy the Jewish people and keep the Messiah from coming and now from returning.  And that’s why we have things like replacement Theology which have a demonic origin.

Sid:  Now if you could have a couple minutes with a Christian that believed that the Church replaced Israel what are some of the strongest things that you would say?

Jonathan:  Well I would take them to Roman’s 11 where Paul warns, “Boast not against the natural branches for it God could cut off Israel He could surely cut off you.”  At what point did the Church reach that level of sin that where God said, “Enough with you already, I’ve had it.”  If we can’t look to a God of faithfulness who has been faithful to the Jewish people, how can we trust them for our own salvation, if He has a point where He says “Enough already.”  I would have passed that point years ago Sid, but I looked to a God whose continued to be faithful to Israel and I can trust Him to be faithful to me and to all believers.  And of course Romans 11 says at the end that they’re enemies of the gospel yes, but for the sake of the Father’s they’re beloved.  But the gifts and calling of God are irrevocable, they’re irrevocable.   There are so many other scriptures that we could go into that clearly Replacement Theology is dangerous Sid, it’s dangerous for the Church because it keeps the Church from fulfilling their God given mandate to provoke the Jews to jealousy.

Sid:  And what I see is kind a flip side of what the devil is doing; on one side he’s trying to get Christians to believe that God is finished with the Jew in Israel and on the other side, he’s taking some good and using it for bad.  By that I mean he’s having many Christians to develop a tremendous supernatural love for the Jew in Israel which is good, but this love entails a mantra that says “I’m not going to share Jesus with my Jewish friend; I’m just going to do some humanitarian good deeds for Israel.”  Why is that so bad?

Jonathan:  Well you have two gutters. On one side of the road you have Replacement Theology which is off the road, on the other side of the road you have this Dual Covenant Theology which says that we can affirm the Jewish people because they have their own path to God and we don’t need to share the Messiah with them.  That’s the other gutter because it keeps us from fulfilling the mandate to provoke the Jewish people to jealousy and it undercuts the gospel imperative which is there’s one Name under heaven by which we must be saved and it’s Jesus or Yeshua the Messiah, He is the Way, the Truth and the Life, and no one can come to the Father except through Him.  Paul says not only is the gospel for the Jewish people as well, the gospel is to the Jew first.

Sid:  You have some fascinating information in your book with the chapter titled “The World’s Debt to the Jews.”  Tell me some of these great accomplishments the Jewish people have been involved in throughout history.

Jonathan:  Well Sid let me just go back and say first of all that God said that through Abraham, through His seed that all the world would be blessed, it’s not that the Jewish people are any greater, but that God ordained them to be a blessing to the world.  Now keep in mind that the Jewish people are one quarter of one percent of the world’s population.  Yet I just recently looked at a list of Nobel prize winners and 20%, keep in mind that ¼ of 1% of the world’s population, and yet 20% of Nobel prize winners over the years since it started I think in around 1905 have been Jewish.  You have in literature people like Boris Pasternak a great author, Isaac Bashevis, singer; you have eleven Nobel literature winners that are Jewish.  World peace, you have ten leaders that have won the Nobel Peace prize, like L.A. Weasel, Menachem Begin, Perez, Yitzhak Rabin.  In chemistry you have over twenty Jewish scientists who have won the Nobel Prize for Chemistry.  You have in economics over twenty that have won since they began giving the Nobel Prize for economics.  In medicine you have over thirty, some of the greatest minds of course have been Jewish, again because God declared that he would use the Jewish people as a blessing to the world and indeed He has fulfilled that promise.

Sid:  And you know what I’m reminded as you’re sharing this, of in Hollywood and they showed me a picture when Barbara Streisand gets saved, what an impact there going to have in the media, Larry King, picture him coming on and saying “Last night Jesus came into my bedroom!”

Jonathan:  Sid, some of the greatest minds have been Jewish, like Albert Einstein, but yet the Jewish people away from God have also created some of the bigger big problems also and so they’ve been a blessing to the world.  You have Carl Marx for example and so on; the Jewish people were designed by God to be a blessing to the world and to be in relationship with Him.  And so you look at the patriarchs, you look at Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Moses, Elijah; and so on they’re in incredible contributions to the world as well.

Sid:  I’m reminded of the scripture that if it was a blessing that the Jewish people rejected their Messiah and obviously so Gentiles could be grafted in how much greater blessing when they receive their Messiah, it’s going to cause life from the dead.  And I believe that there is going to be a jolt of the Holy Spirit when large numbers of Jewish people come into the Kingdom in the body like has never happened in history, and literally the average Christian will be walking in life from the dead resurrection power.

Jonathan:  And Sid you asked about the dangers of Replacement Theology, there you have it.  With Replacement Theology you fail to understand the significance of the Jewish people coming back to their God, “It will be bring life from the dead.”  I want life from the dead, I don’t know about others listening but I want to see life from the dead and that can’t happen with Christians believing in Replacement Theology.

Sid:  Okay, consider yourself challenged, if you really want to be on the right side of the fence, in the last days, if you really want to understand your call in the last days.

Sid:  My guest Mark Virkler, I’m so excited to be releasing to you his three CD set and workbook on “How to Hear God through Your Dreams.”  Trust me; this is different than any course you’ve ever heard about before.  The biggest difference, it works.  Mark, earlier in the week, you told me something that excited me immensely.  You said that it’s Biblically possible and it’s experientially possible for us to receive gifts in dreams; explain what you mean.

Mark:  Alright, Solomon received a gift in his dream, he had just been put in as King and he was scared, he was young and he was afraid and if you go to 1^st Kings Chapter 3 verses, well it’s just the first ten verses or so.  It says that “In Gibeon the Lord appeared to Solomon in a dream by night and the Lord said, “Ask what I shall give to thee.” And then what he asked back for was, “Give therefore thy servant and understanding heart and in the Hebrew it’s a hearing heart and in the New American Standard it says, “Hearing heart, so I can judge thy people that I may discern between good and bad for who is able to judge such a great people?”  And God says back to him, “I have done according to your words, I have given you a wise and understanding or a hearing heart so that theirs none like thee before thee nor shall any arise after thee.”  And it goes on to say, “In addition I am going to give you a couple other things too.  All right I’m going to give you riches and honor, things that you did not ask for in additions to a hearing heart.”  And then in verse fifteen it says Solomon awoke and behold it was a dream.  And he went to Jerusalem; stood before the Ark of the Covenant and offered burnt offerings and he worshipped.   And he said, “God just encountered me, I just received something from God and I’m going to worship Him for what He gave to me in this dream.”

Sid:  Now, do you know any people that have received gifts from dreams?

Mark:  Well, you know the gift that God gave to Solomon was a hearing heart.  The ability to hear the Holy Spirit in his heart, give him wisdom so he can make wise decisions and of course you can make wise decisions you have favor amongst men and you also have the blessing of God in prosperity.  And I think anyone and everyone who begins to hear God through their dream including you know, including you Sid.  You know you shared your dream with me a couple days ago, you know that things before you.  And you can make a dream with counseling you to approach people in a wise manner and by you saying yes to that and approaching them in a wise manner you have favor with that people; and so I really believe this kind of thing happens all the time to all of us.  We receive hearing heart, we receive revelation and the result of that is blessing and prosperity in our lives.

Sid:  So in affect your also saying to me that dreams can release creativity.

Mark:   Absolutely, absolutely and so much creativity comes from dreams.  The scientist that was looking through a telescope trying to figure what a Benzene molecule looked like, he couldn’t figure it out.  So he had a dream that night of a dog in a circle chasing one another, he had the tail of a dog in front of them in their mouth and he woke up in the morning saying I wonder if the Benzene molecule is circular?  And he was able to prove and through his microscope that it was.  The guy who developed the sewing machine couldn’t figure out where the, how to thread the hook of the sewing machine; and in a dream that night God gave him a  picture of how the thread should go into the needle of the sewing machine.  So I just think probably almost all creativity comes through this kind of a means.

Sid:  Mark, give me a life situation of someone that had clues to their own health as the result of a dream.

Mark:  A lady who worked with me as my personal assistant and she had a dream at night that she entered into her house and she could smell smoke and she went looking for the fire.  And finally found the fire down in the kitchen in the lower cupboard and she didn’t really respond to that dream because you really didn’t know exactly what that dream meant but, a couple of months later she went to the doctor and the doctor said, “You’ve got a fire inside of you, you’ve got an inflammation in your intestines caused by stress and I’m going to give you some medication and you need to relax.  And so she took the medication, she relaxed and it went away but that dream was telling her that two months earlier that in your home the place that you live, your body there is a fire, it’s in the kitchen area which is where we eat food which symbolizes the digestive track, it’s not in the upper cupboard, which would be my esophagus it’s in the lower cupboard with is my is my intestines; and in my intestines there is a fire.  So she was warned two months before pain warned her of a sickness and she could have averted it by relaxing.  And a year later when the dream came back she knew that she was being warned a second time, okay.  Your under stress again, if you don’t relax your going back to the doctor and she relaxed immediately and did not need to go back to the doctor, did not need medication so in that case she heard the counsel of her dream, acted on it and averted a sickness as a result of it.

Sid:  Mark, in the times we’re living in can you imagine if God gave someone an idea for a business, or how to make money that they could end up being part of that great wealth transfer.  Give me a real life example of someone that had a dream that released creativity.

Mark:  Alright I’ll tell you about a young man named Eric Rose; when he was in college he was training to be an artist, but he quit because a performance orientation just wrecked it for him so he left that and he went into a totally left brain kind of a job.  I believe it was an accountant, I kind of forget right now, but when he became a live to dreams God gave him several dreams reigniting his passion to draw and to paint and to create the vision that God was giving to him.  And God took him a step beyond what he’d done in the past.  Because God called him into sculpturing and making six foot sculpture out of bronze you know; of beautiful, beautiful action kind of figure, people worshipping in the presence of God; totally alive and you could just…  And he showed me some of these pictures and they were just totally alive and this thing sold for just thousands of dollars.  And so God restored a crushed part within him, brought him back and enlarged the gift that God had initially given to him and made it into something where he could actually produce an income while he blessed the world and the Body of Christ.

Sid:  Well, you know you’ve actually been corrected in your attitude towards people through dreams; tell me about the time God showed you people are far more important than projects.

Mark:   Well, we were in India and we were going to tape for two weeks straight, six days a week ten hours a day; we were going to tape six of our key courses.  We taped a hundred sessions, I never talked ten hours a day for six days a week, I wasn’t sure I could do that.  And I was pretty nervous because we were going to be on TV and I had a dream that first couple days that I was there.  I had a couple two or three dreams, the first dream somebody came and asked for me to pray for them in the dream and I just pushed them off, brushed them off I was too busy, you know and I felt terrible, I thought Mark, how could you do that?  And the second dream I had my computer got stolen from me and then it got destroyed.  And when I got up and journaled about those dreams and asked the Lord, he said, “Mark, the people that are working the camera’s here are more important than what you’re producing and I want you to teach them how to…

Sid:  By the way, in the natural that doesn’t make sense, what you’re producing should be more important than the people doing the cameras, but from God’s, from a spiritual perspective that’s not true; from a natural perspective that’s true.

Mark:  That’s exactly right and God the Wonderful Counselor is rebalancing me and saying, Mark, put people first.  And so I asked him, the guy that was running the production, “Could we have morning devotions and I’ll teach these guys how to hear God’s voice and how to interpret dreams?  And the team said, “Sure,” and so in the morning we journaled and learned how to hear God’s voice.  We shared journaling and over lunch time we shared dreams for two weeks straight and those guys became proficient in hearing God’s voice and interpreting dreams and we tapped over a hundred sessions over that two week period.

Sid:  But had you not listened to God you would have tapped, but I believe the anointing wouldn’t have even been there like it was.

Mark:  Well, that’s exactly right and the friendships that developed there amongst us still remain to this day.  You know we brought life to everyone that we were touching there, not just those that watch us on DVD but everyone received the life of the Lord Jesus Christ.

Sid:  I’m going to talk about a man that was in ministry for his first fifteen years that thought all dreams were pizza and then you got the revelation through a man that lived ninety-three years that studied dreams and now today; you look forward to your dreams.  How would your life be different if you had never gotten this understanding?

Mark:  Well, I would have missed so much wonderful counsel from God and I would be out doing things in an imbalanced way and much more calm.

Sid:  You’d be doing things in the flesh rather than doing things by the Spirit.

Mark:  Yeah, but I’m a must more caustic individual and I wouldn’t be softened by the power of the Holy Spirit to change me and say “Keep people first, love people, don’t get consumed with projects.  So, so much of my personality and life has changed as a result of that and success I believe also.

Sid:  I want you to speak to someone that’s listening right now and has just said, “That’s him, he has a gift, he can understand dreams; I’ll never be able to.”

Mark:  Ha-ha.  Alright I’ll just simply say that that is a lie from the enemy that is not true because I did not start out with a gift on interpreting dreams; I’m a left brain thinker, theologian, Baptist background and dreams and visions and intuition was impossible for me.  And God taught me how to do it and I can lay it out lineally with a clear lineal set of rules that you can follow so that you can reproduce in your life what God has produced in my life.  I promise and guarantee that can happen.

Sid:  Okay, now I want you to give, even though they don’t totally understand yet, because they haven’t gotten your course; I want them to start dreaming.  Give them instructions on what they should do tonight very quickly.

Mark:   Alright just as you go to sleep just say, “God, give me a dream, I believe in dreams, I’m asking you to speak to me.”  Put your bed, and say, “Heart, when you wake me up, I will record what you give me.  And then get yourself eight hours of sleep if at all possible you want to aim for eight hours because it’s going to give you the best opportunity for dream time and when you awaken if a dream is there begin to jot it down the summary of it and if you don’t remember all of it, don’t yank on it, just gently tug and say, Holy Spirit remind me the rest, attune the flow and let it just bubble on up to you.

Sid:  I am so excited about the teaching that’s coming forth this week.  My guest is Pastor John Kilpatrick, Senior Pastor of Church of His Presence in Daphne, Alabama.  And many of you are familiar with Pastor John as a result of the Pensacola revival and Brownsville Assembly of God during a five year period beginning Father’s Day, June 1995 over 4,000,000 people throughout the world came through the doors of his church because the presence of God was so awesome.   Hundreds of thousands of decisions for Jesus as Messiah; but what I’m finding out is that he was handpicked by God; mentored as a young man in prayer.  Had tasted of this as a young man and now at the great Father’s Day revival it just multiplied and he says that it’s about ready to hit planet earth again.  But what I was most interested in John is the first day of this year, you were given a prophetic insight into the future.  Tell me about that.

John:  Yeah, the Lord gave me a word, “He said, I’m going to give you a word with twelve letters in it and he said those twelve letters is a prophetic message that I’m going to give you.”  And I believe it’s for the next three years.  I didn’t believe that it’s for ’09, but I believe it’s for the next three years is what I felt in my spirit.  And as soon as He gave me the word resurrection He said, “The word is resurrection.”  And I counted it off on my fingers you know and sure enough it was twelve letters just like he said.  And it was like a download, almost like a computer download in my spirit the way the Lord gave it to me and it came very quickly.  And each one of those letters that the Lord gave me of the word resurrection has something to do I believe with the next three years.

Sid:  Well, let’s take because we’re offering the CD of which you extensively teach on what’s going to happen prophetically within the next three years.  Let’s just take a few as an example; the word resurrection begins with the letter r.  What does r stand for and what did God show you?

John:  Well, the first thing Holy Spirit said to me was, and this is right and you got to remember this is the first day of this year and the debacle, the financial debacle took place last year in the fall.  And so the first word of resurrection was the word r and here’s what the Holy Spirit said, “He said, tell my people,” He said, “Ask them did they really believe with the government coming in to bail out brokerage houses, banks, corporations, General Motors, Chrysler, and people like, ask My people did they really think that I would let the government come in and bail out the secular without me bailing out my people.”  He said, “I’m coming in 2009 to rescue my people financially.”  And the next word that He gave me was e and He said, “I’m going to use extreme measures,” He said, “Extreme measure, extreme times, calls for extreme measures.”  And He said, “Because the times are extreme and the times are dire,” He said, “I’m coming to rescue my people, I will not let them go under.”  And it reminded me of the Apostle Peter whenever he walked to the Lord on the water and the storm came up and the wind and the waves were boisterous and Peter began to sink.  And the Bible said that Jesus had to actually take him and rescue him, He had to take him and lift him and life him up out of the wind and the waves back up on the water where Jesus was standing because he began to sink.  And I think that many of God’s people have begun to feel like because of job loss or because of economy or whatever they began to feel like they were sinking.  But the Lord said, “Tell my people, I’m coming to rescue them and I’ll use extreme measures to do it.  And one of the illustrations He gave me was the three Hebrew children as the three Hebrew children refused to worship the image that was put before them they heated the furnace up seven times hotter and even the men that threw the three Hebrew children in the fiery furnace they were consumed, they were burned and consumed just burned to ashes.  But those three Hebrew children went into the fire seven times hotter and they came out without not one hair singed and not even the smell of smoke on their cloths.  God used extreme measures to deliver them in extreme situations.

Sid:  Now, one of the letters in resurrection actually three of them is the letter r which in one case you said, stood for Russia.

John:  Yes.

Sid:  What did God show you about Russia over the next few years?

John:  I had just got through preaching a series about Russia and I dealt with the Bible names that was going to come against Israel in the latter days and I had just got through preaching on it and so my congregation as I gave them this word; they understood it a little bit.  The Holy Spirit is showing me that Russia is going to come against Israel for sure a long with a coalition of other nations.  And one of the things I believe the Holy Spirit showed me Sid was if Netanyahu got elected it was going to be an Israeli issue, and Israel issue.  If Zippy Levine got elected it was going to be a Jerusalem issue.  And you know that Netanyahu is now the Prime Minister of Israel and it’s going to be an Israeli situation because he is not going to give up, he’s not going to give up any more land.  I don’t believe and I love our president, I love President Bush.  As a matter of fact I talked to President Bush on the telephone before he was elected along with a group of other preachers and I got to ask the last question.  And I asked him, I said, “President Bush if you become President what is your stance on Israel?”  And he says that my stance if the Bible stance, He says that when everybody else has turned tail and run he says I’ll still stand by Israel.  But yet at the same time he really used Condalisa Rice and others to get Israel to give up land for peace to divide the land, and God said that He was against those that would divide His land.  And so one of the things that Holy Spirit has shown me is that Israel is going to be defended by God whenever a coalition of nations comes down with Russia to invade Israel.  And another issue is going to be Jerusalem and Sid I believe that in the end it’s not going to be the economies of the world, it’s not going to be viruses, it’s not going to be flue epidemics, it’s not going to be whatever.  The main thing is going to be in these last days how nations take a stand on the city of Jerusalem; it’s not the city of Atlanta, it’s not Johannesburg, it’s not Venice, it’s Jerusalem.  And all those the Bible says in Zachariah 12 that do not deal justly and they do not deal rightly with Jerusalem he said that he will cut them in pieces.  And the Holy Spirit has shown me that this what the crux is going to come down to in these last days; it’s going to be Israel, but especially Jerusalem.  Israel has been an issue now for quite some time really since 1948, but in our time the issue is going to be Jerusalem and Jerusalem cup of trembling in the hand of the Lord.  And I would really caution politicians, prime, ministers, kings, and presidents; you be careful how you deal with Jerusalem!

Sid:  How about pastors that are involved with replacement theology as if the church replaces natural Israel?

John:  My God, I’m so troubled; as I said a while ago in many cases, and I love pastors, I am a pastor, but in many cases congregations are at a different level than many pastors are.  There’s congregations that love Israel and love Jerusalem and many pastors are preaching today that the church has replaced Israel which is, I don’t believe that for a moment; I’ve never believed it.  I thank God that I was raised by a pastor that showed me the truth of the Word of God concerning Israel and concerning Jerusalem in these last days.  He inbred that into me; and I’ll believe it until the day that I die; the church has never replaced Israel.

Sid:  What is going to happen to the United States of America in your opinion or perhaps God has shown you if the United States of America presses Israel to divide the land?

John:  I believe it will be our destruction, I believe that all through these years the blessings of God has been on America because of Israel.  And if you look at the word its Jerusalem, USA is right in the middle of Jerusalem.  And that maybe just a coincidence, but I don’t believe so.  We’ve always been there to fortify Israel; we’ve always been there to defend them; we’ve always been there to uphold them every way we can to honor them and to protect them.  But this new thinking that’s come into Washington now; that come into politics, Democrat and Republican; this new thinking that’s come about to divide up the land and to give Jerusalem, part of Jerusalem to the Palestinians; that very issue I believe will be the down fall of America and other nations of the world.  Because the Bible says that He’ll make Jerusalem a cup of trembling for all nations, all nations; so Israel has been an issue since ’48, we’ve all known that. But now just in our time we’ve lived to see the day that Zachariah 12 is coming to pass where He’s making Jerusalem a cup of trembling.  And one of the things the Holy Spirit showed me in this prophetic word was that Russia was going to play a major role in coming against the nation of Israel; I believe shortly.  There’s a lot of preachers that believe this will be a tribulation event, I’m not so sure about that, I’m not so sure about it.  There’s things that leads me to believe in Ezekiel 38 and 39 those two chapters, there’s issues that leads me to believe that this is going to happen maybe right after the rapture or right before the rapture.

Sid:  So how far off in your opinion might the rapture be?

John:  You know what, I can’t set dates, but I preached a message recently and the title of my message was “Five Reasons I believe the Coming of Christ is at hand.”  All during my ministry as I’ve been preaching since 1970, I’ve been pasturing since 1970 I’ve been preaching on different issues and they’ve all been an issue, but never before has all five of these been in play at one time.  All five of these major signs are in play right now; and there’s five reasons, major reasons why I believe the coming of Christ is at hand.  So I don’t believe that His coming is going to tarry and with all five of these major things being in play right at the moment.  There’s not three in play; there’s not two in play; there all five in play right now.  It leads me to believe that this thing’s are about to come to acumination and I can’t say when but I would say we have a very brief window of time left as a church on the earth.

Sid:  John you time is slipping away…On tomorrows broadcast you had a prophetic word about a coming financial storm and I’d like to hear about that on tomorrows broadcast.

John:  Sure will.

Sid:  My guest, Kathie Walters, our subject; angels.  So missed understood does everyone have an angel, does every believer or does every non-believer even have an angel?

Kathie:  I know that every believer has an angel assigned to them and that the angel stays with them all the time he never leaves them.  You see it’s not God suddenly doing something, it’s us getting tuned into the spirit realm and believing that is our inheritance.

Sid:  Now do angels look like us?

Kathie:  Yes.

Sid:  Now does my angel look like me?

Kathie:  Yes, he can look like you; I have some awesome stories about that.

Sid:  Tell me one.

Kathie:  Okay, I have a friend he’s a prophet and before he was quite full time he would occasionally go work with our building crew and one night he was in the motel.  They were all staying in a motel and there was a bunch of really rowdy workers in the next room to him.  And he was trying to pray and wait upon the Lord and he said “Lord I can’t pray with these people screaming and shouting and yelling.”  So it suddenly went very very quiet in the next room and the next morning when he went out they were kind of looking at him sideways you know.  So he thought, what’s wrong with them, and so my friend said, “What’s wrong with you why aren’t you talking to me?”  They said, “Well, you kind of scared us.”  And he said, “I scared you.”  They said, “When you came to our room and told us to be quiet and you had this authority and we all went to bed.”  So his angel went on his behalf and told them all to be quiet, but they thought it was him.

Sid:  You know in your CD’s and book you talk a lot about this, but you mentioned something even before that, you said, “That if we’re turned into our angel.”  How does someone that’s not tuned into their angel get tuned in?”

Kathie:  Well, like I said everything in the spirit realm we receive by faith; so faith is believing before we see.  Right?

Sid:  Of course,

Kathie:  So when I say the realm of the supernatural angel’s having these visitations that shouldn’t hurt you; you have to actually believe that.

Sid:  It’s almost like someone saying over and over I’ve never seen an angel, they’re in unbelief on seeing angels not realizing they’re reporting what’s happened in the natural, but not’s what’s happening in the Spirit.

Kathie:  Yes.  See the angel is there whether you can feel that or not but by faith I call it your antenna; you put your spiritual antenna up and pull the promise down. “Yes that is my inheritance; the angels are around me all the time because that’s the truth; that’s what God said.”  But also people have a funny little fear about angels because the things they’ve heard.  So sometimes if you talk about angels someone will say, “Oh, you mustn’t worship angels.”  And they have this fear that we are going to start worshipping angels.  But God’s angels don’t let you worship them.  There is not really an issue because if an angel came into your room and wanted you to worship him I think you would know that he wasn’t from God.

Sid:  Of course, now do angels ever tell you what to preach?

Kathie:  Yes, they do sometimes, yeah.

Sid:  And out of curiosity how clear when they speak to you how clear are they?

Kathie:  Okay, one angle that comes to my meeting, sometimes he draws a picture on the floor.  That’s why I sit down during the worship because sometimes he draws a picture on the floor for me and I usually get a scripture to go with it.  He doesn’t tell me everything to preach, but I usually I know that’s got to be some of the theme.  Or else I stand up and he’ll suddenly nudge me and give me a scripture or just say something to me.  Or sometimes he’ll come in the middle of when I’ve already starting preaching.  I have something interesting happen when I was in New Zealand last year and then the same angel that came there I’ve seen now in America for times.

Sid:  Tell me that story.

Kathie:  Okay, I was speaking in a church in New Zealand, the angel that usually talks to me about what to preach was half-way sitting down.  But another angel came into the back of the meeting and he was dressed in blue, turquoise and whites and he had like a cloth over his arm like a maitre d in a restaurant you know like a waiter?  And he suddenly came and stood next to me and the Lord said to me, “He’s waiting” he looked like a waiter.  So I said, “What is her waiting for?” And the Lord said, “To take people’s order.”  And the first angle, that’s usually in my meeting was smiling and the Lord said to me, “Then you showed everyone the menu because I just held out my Bible.”  So that angel came to take people’s order that night things that God had put on their heart and then he came in many meetings in New Zealand.  Since I’ve come back in America he’s suddenly appeared in four or five meetings to take people’s order.

Sid:  Now when he appears do you sense he’s there or do you know that he’s there?

Kathie:  I kind of, see I believe as you start to believe in the spirit realm and this is your inheritance and this is for you, what you maybe begin to see in a vision get stronger and stronger and in the end when people say,“Did you see that in the spirit or did you see see see that?” I say “I don’t know,” because sometimes I can’t tell the difference.  The spirit realm can come so strong that you really don’t know the difference.

Sid:  Now, you say in your book that angels can be funny, explain.

Kathie:  Yes, or they can, angels are very clever with words and actually angels hate religious spirits because religious spirits distorts the nature of God.  So I’ve seen angels in meetings playing with people, tickling people.  I’ve had even an angel come make faces at me to make me laugh, when it was heavy, because they’ll do what they can to get rid of the religious spirit’s that are holding on to people’s minds.

Sid:  You know, I have seen an angel tickle little children.

Kathie:  Yes.

Sid:  You know its one thing when an adult starts laughing and you wonder are they making it up or not.  But just out of the blue a little child just lays on the floor on their back and just is, you can see they’re being tickled all over there body.  It’s the most amazing thing.

Kathie:  Yeah, that’s to break them in, see that laughter is what I call like God’s atheistic and I believe a lot of people that are maybe sitting in a chair or floor laughing and laughing and sometimes the angels come and do that.  But they often find they get delivered from things, sickness, and mindsets you know.  But if there’s time on this show I have another story to illustrate that.

Sid:  Go ahead.

Kathie:  When I was in Australia there was a lady in the meeting and she sat right back next to the door, she almost had her hand on the door.  And I thought, “Why is she sitting back there?” But she said to someone else, “If that lady,” meaning me “Puts one step in my direction I’m leaving,” because she was terrified of me because I represented the supernatural you see so she was ready to run.  All of a sudden I looked back and this lady is laughing and falling off her chair and getting back on her chair and falling off her chair.  And she said, “What happened was these strangers went back there and they started playing with her and got tugging her hair and tickling her.”  And so she lost all her fear of the supernatural completely and came right into the move of God.  So they just went back there to break her fear and because like I said people have such weird concepts.

Sid:  Tell me about the time you were walking with an angel that told you the future for a number of houses in that neighborhood where you were walking.

Kathie:  Oh yeah, I was in Ohio visiting a friend and she had said she’s very athletic and she said, “Would you like to go for a run.”  And I said, “No, you run, I’ll walk.”  So I walk around her neighborhood, a beautiful neighborhood of about six houses.  And as I began to walk this angel steps into the pathway and begin to walk with me and as we walked around the neighborhood he told me about the people in the houses.  I remember him saying, “This couple in this house is going to leave and move to California and the people that are going to come here are Christians and they will help this little church down the road.”  Anyway he told me about each house when my friend came back we wrote everything down and in a year we checked and everything that he told me has happened.  When he told me those things she started to, my friend started you know to pray for her neighborhood more specifically.

Sid Roth:  You also have a lot of stories about supernatural protection from angels, what feedback are you getting from people that either attend your seminar.  And of course our two CD set is like attending your seminar; because at your seminar people even smell perfume from angels.

Kathie:  Yeah, well especially when I start to pray for people and you can smell the angels in the room, but there’s different manifestations and all the manifestations mean something.  For example, the weekend at my conference all across the front row there came found somebody walked pass me and everyone begin to smell an aroma like sweet apples.  You know she’s says the Beloved’s breathe smells like sweet apples.  And then over in one corner there was aroma like strawberries and then Bob Jones tells me that the strawberries represent friendship with God.  I have a whole list of aromas which I can send you, but all these things are speaking to you, speaking to people.  God speaks through the word, He speaks through His prophets and teachers, but He speaks through the manifestations too and the manifestation is the angels.  I believe it’s just getting stronger and stronger.

Sid:  My guest is red hot for the Messiah, his name is Don Dickerman.  I’m speaking to him at his home in Bedford Texas.  He’s a Baptist minister that went into over 850 prisons over a twenty year period, saw thousand of inmates saved, but they kept going back to prison.  Genuinely born-again saved people it was like they went in one door and then came in the other door.  And he got so frustrated one day, he just broke down sobbing in his bed and he said, “Lord make me a deliverer and he didn’t even understand what he was praying because he didn’t have a grid for the supernatural being a Baptist minister.  But a prophecy came upon him and he had never heard a prophecy before, and then when he started speaking people at every service started getting healed.  He didn’t even know how to pray for anyone, he didn’t pray for anyone to be healed.  But it’s just the presence of God started pouring out of him and also in this vision that he had there was oil coming out of him for people to be set free of anything that’s unclean.  And so I asked him, “How in the world, I understand how you got into the healing ministry because you had nothing to do with it, but in affect Don Dickerman, I think you had nothing to do with it when you got into the deliverance ministry either.

Don:  Oh yeah, that’s for sure, that was not something I was looking for.

Sid:  I mean, you had set up an appointment to pray for a female inmate and experience man in deliverance was going to show up, they didn’t show up.  You’re stuck what did you do, call it off?

Don:  No, you know I thought about it, you know I was in Canada and she was there and she did the story about this lady Sid is that she was a former satan worshipper and was raised in a satanic home and with all kinds of ritualistic abuse and it’s a long story.  Probably by far the most dramatic deliverance I have ever had was my first one.  But it was a situation where she had been saved in prison and that night that I preached there she came at the altar call and basically begged for the deliverance knowing she had demons.  So we were there, we made arrangements through the prison and they gave us a conference room, actually where a meeting room with other staff and it was just me and…

Sid:  Out of curiosity what made her think that she needed deliverance?

Don:  Oh, well, she worshipped demons, she knew, she knew what she was dealing with.  She was actually the head of a demonic cult in Ontario that’s actually worldwide, the occult called the Brotherhood, she was being groomed she said to be the bride of Lucifer and it’s another area.

Sid:  So she got saved and she knew she needed to get rid of that excess baggage.

Don:  Yeah, and she was tormented.  Well, as with virtually everyone, the doorways are different but a lot of hers had to do with unforgiveness toward her parents and the people who had done some of the abuse to her.  But we worked through that over a few months and when I got there I was expecting to sit in with this minister and pray and hopefully learn something but it was not my intention to do it.  And she was so excited about being free, and I told her, I said, “Kathy I’m going to do what Jesus did, I’m going to bind demon spirits and I’m going to command them to leave you.”  Well, it got real tense, the look in her eyes I don’t think I had ever seen that much evil in anyone’s eyes right before we started and I felt you know some fear trying to come over me, but there was a strong anointing and I just rebuked it and immediately no fear.  But as I began to bind demons she trembled and so it was obvious they were present and I commanded them to reveal their name.  In the scripture that kept coming to my mind was Jesus said, “Who are you,” to the Gerasene and so that’s what I commanded, “Who are you?”  And they began to give me names through her voice, but as I would get the names, I just bound them commanded them to leave her and they did.  And so it was about a three hour process and like I said, it was the most dramatic of any that I’ve had.  Most of them are just not much more than prayer.  But I remember walking out of that prison that day and I had a red Bible in my hand and I stood on the steps of that prison and held the Bible up high over my head and said, “Yes, yes in the name of Jesus, yes!”  And from that experience we’ve had probably 25,000 deliverances since then.

Sid:  Well, Don let’s just go back to the woman that you were talking about I believe was Kathy, what happened to her?  Did she get out of prison, did she stay out?

Don:  Actually after the deliverance we stayed in touch with her and sent her materials and encouraging letters and so on.  And put her in touch with some people there in Kingston, Ontario and Kathy was released from prison maybe a couple of years after that deliverance, she has been out since the whole time.

Sid:  But there are people that listening to us right now and they are saying, “Kathy was a Christian, how could she have a demon?  What would you your answer be?

Don:  You know that’s my number one question is how can you have the Holy Spirit and also have a demon?  And that’s a good valid question; it’s one that I’ve struggled with.  But you know Sid obvious this is something you know.   Everyone that Jesus dealt with virtually everyone that he dealt with were believers, they were Jewish believers so every believer can have a demon or any believer can have a demon living in the soulish area or in the flesh.  Not in the spirit, that’s where the Holy Spirit lives.  So but that’s some of the conflict that the Bible talks about is the flesh warring against the spirit and so on.  But we don’t even minister to the lost people in deliverance.  With lost people, we want them to be saved.

Sid:  Well, you know the analogy I like to use is can someone born again get a cold?  Can someone born again get sick?

Don:  Sure.

Sid:  And the answer is yes, and there are spirits of infirmity so that’s acceptable, why not the demonic?  Speaking of the demonic what are some of the clues that someone maybe harassed in the demonic, what are some of the areas of someone’s life to look at?  For instance in your book you have sixty symptoms of demonic attack and how to close those doors.  Won’t you tell us a few?

Don:  Well, okay the obvious things of the irrational fears, irrational anger, tormenting areas of a person’s life, nightmares, nightmares are probably a big signal although there can be other reasons and this is a difficult part is knowing whether it’s the flesh or a demon or a demon influencing the flesh.  But generally when something is in the area of torment, it’s demonic.  There are so many symptoms that also could be something else, but I think most people already know where they’re tormented, the area, or mental torment or anguish and rejection.  Rejection is such a great area of torment or worthlessness or hopelessness.  You can say depression but there are some areas that are physical depression that wouldn’t necessarily be a demon.  But this, the typical things in our questionnaire is pretty much like a medical background form where we look into the ancestry of a person, what kind of sins were in the ancestry.

Sid:  A lot of people miss that, they don’t understand what are known as generational curses that could occur four generations back, but you pay the price unless you can know how to close that door.

Don:  Yeah, and you know the verse that we get a lot with people and I never argue or try to persuade anybody about this because this is always a truth encounter.  It’s just about truth and so in the area of generational curse, I don’t have a clue what my great, great, grandparents might have been…

Sid Roth:  Tell you what; hold that thought right there because we’re going to find out how the Holy Spirit is so wonderful and someone can go through self deliverance, they can pray for others to be delivered.

Sid:  We want everyone everywhere to be red hot for the Messiah.  And we want everyone everywhere not to miss the return of the Messiah; there’s so many different views.  But my guest Mark Blitz says there’s something missing from most of these view.  It’s the same thing that’s missing from most of the church and that is the Biblical appointments that God says to observe forever because He calls them My Feasts.  And we learned over the last few days that the word Feasts in the Hebrew means my appointments.  So these are not just Jewish Feasts, not just biblical Feasts, these are God’s Feasts or God’s appointments.  And Pastor Mark Blitz why does God say to observe these Feasts forever?

Mark:  Well, I think that the reason that God wants us to observe these Feasts forever is because these are His Feasts and His word is forever; and He wants us to be aware of what’s coming and that’s why these are rehearsals.  His first coming was all rehearsals, that’s what these were.  And I believe His Second Coming; all the Feasts, the fall Feasts are rehearsals just for that and so He wants us to connect with Him.

Sid:  On yesterdays broadcast you were talking about how these Feasts predict the exact day even, the exact hour of the events of His First Coming.  How would you have liked to have been a Jewish person and snuck into a dress rehearsal of the First Coming of Jesus?  Hah, better yet how would you like to be alive today and sneak into a dress rehearsal of His return?  I imagine you’d throw away a lot of the books on end times that you’re reading these days.  Mark, tell us a bit about His First Coming and how that was prophesied to the very hour.

Mark:  Sure, I think that’s so important for us to understand.  The Lord said, that He wanted them to keep the Passover forever and the reason why, these were dress rehearsals.  Every year on Passover they went through the binding of the Passover lamb, the slaying of the Passover lamb at three in the afternoon the time of the evening sacrifice.  And that’s exactly, they were rehearing the event that would come 1500 years later when Messiah not only died on the Feast of Passover, but he was bound on the very time of the morning sacrifice.  He died at the very time of the evening sacrifice, and then on the Feast of the Unleavened Bread here He is the Matza, He’s the unleavened bread, and then three days later on the Jewish Feast of the First Fruits He rises from the dead on the Feast of First Fruits.  And then they have what’s called the counting of the Omer, and it leads right up to Shavuot or Pentecost.  Many Christians think Pentecost began in Acts not realizing the Jews in Deuteronomy 16:16 were commanded to keep that Feast.  And here if you remember Peter said, “These men aren’t drunk it’s the third hour of the day.”  Well, that’s 9:00 in the morning, time of the morning sacrifice on the Feast of Pentecost, that’s why all these Jews were in Jerusalem in Acts because they were required to be there.  Because God wanted them to see His First Coming and that’s why He’s wanting the Jews to Alliyah and get back the land because He wants them there for His Second Coming.

Sid:  And we’re going to talk about it because you discuss each one of the feasts in the four DVD series, “The Feasts of the Lord.”  One of the things that’s so amazing to me is the Talmud tells us something very supernatural that happened forty years before the destruction of the Temple, about the year 30AD, tell us what the Talmud shows.

Mark:  Yeah, it’s just amazing here the temple was destroyed in 70AD and the Talmud records that forty years before, which would put it right at 30AD when Messiah died.  They said, these four ominous events all took place right before the Temple’s destruction.  The High Priest would have two lots that would determine which goat would be for the Lord and which goat would be led out to the wilderness to be thrown over a cliff.  Well, the lot for the Lord’s goat would come up in the left hand, and that was a horrible sign because before the lot for the Lord should always come up in the High Priests right hand.  And then the other thing the Talmud records is they had tied a scarlet thread to the goats that was taken out to the wilderness and they also tied a scarlet thread to the door of the Temple.  Well, on Yom Kippur, if everything went well the scarlet thread on the Temple would supernaturally turn white and that’s how they knew that their sins were forgiven and that’s based on Isaiah 1:18 where it says, “Though your sins be as crimson they should be white as snow.”  Well, low and behold forty years before the Temple was destroyed the scarlet thread its recorded stopped turning white.  And then also the western most light on the Temple menorah in the Holy Place it just wouldn’t stay lit it kept going out.  And then finally the last thing the Temple doors would open all by themselves, these Temple doors, people don’t realize, were 75’ high, 7 1/2 story doors.  And you’ll see that they said they were like 25 ½ feet wide and it took 25 men to open the doors they were so big and heavy.  And yet all of a sudden these doors supernaturally would begin to open all by themselves.  And the Talmud records it was based on a verse in Zechariah Chapter 11 verse 1 where it says “Open your doors oh Lebanon that the fire may devour your cedars.”  And the Temple had a lot of cedar in it and they saw it meant destruction was coming and so all these supernatural events are recorded in the Talmud.

Sid:  But what occurred at approximately the year 30AD to show God’s dissatisfaction with what’s going on in the Temple?

Mark:  Well, I think we know it, it was the Messiah; He had died in 30 AD right at that time.

Sid:   Isn’t it amazing coincidence it’s at 30 AD; isn’t it amazing coincidence that everything to the day showed the First Coming of Jesus in the Jewish Biblical Feasts?

Mark:  Yes, it is totally amazing; I think that it shows it’s a supernatural sign from God.  I mean God always wants to communicate with His people on His Feasts days and He does everything He can to get His word out.

Sid:  Oh, tell us some more exact hours and dates the things happened.

Mark:   Yes, one of the most amazing things to me is John Chapter 7.  And in John Chapter 7 it talks about how it was the Feast of Tabernacles it brings it up.  And then toward the end most people remember that’s when Jesus stood up and He said, “If any man thirsts, let him come after Me” as the scripture says and out of his belly shall flow rivers of Living Water.  Well the amazing thing to me is what was going on in the Temple; the Talmud records all of this and that’s why it was so amazing for both Jews and Christians if they go the Talmud they would see exactly what was going on during the Feast of Tabernacles.  And because there was like Josephus said 2 ½ million people there, they divided the twenty-four courses of priests into three groups of eight.  And one group, all they would do was slaughter all the sacrifices because everyone was bringing sacrifices.  But the amazing thing on the south side at the water gate and the High Priest with his Assistant would go south down by the City of David by the Pool of Siloam because the Pool of Siloam had Living Water.  And He would fill this Living Water into a gold pitcher and his Assistant had a silver pitcher filled with wine; so here wine represents blood.  So here we have living water and the blood and they’re marching in this huge procession with hundreds of thousands of people on either side like there is this big parade and event while the High Priest and his Assistant are going back up into the Watergate back up into the Temple.  And they literally would pour the water and the wine onto the altar and while they’re doing that at the same time simultaneously another group of priests would go out the Beautiful Gate or the Eastern Gate.  And the Talmud records that they would go down to the Motza Valley and they would grab willow branches that were like 30’ long and there would be rows and rows and rows of priests thirty 30’ apart with these big giant willow branches and they would wave them.  And in step with the High Priest coming up the south side these priests would be going up the eastern side and when you can imagine all these gigantic willow branches waving and rustling in the breeze; the Hebrew word for wind is Ruach which is also translated as Spirit.  So here going up to the eastern side of the Temple you can hear the wind of God, or the Spirit of God coming up to the Temple.  On the other side you have the Living Water coming up to the Temple and when they both got to their respective gates there would be a flute player who would play the flute and the flute player was known as the Pierced One.  So here we have the Pierced One who’s calling for the Spirit, the wind and the water to enter into the Temple.  And then they would go into the Temple and the priest would march like a Jericho march around the altar once every day, but on the seventh day and this is what John records in the Gospels; that on the last day the seventh day of the Feast; here they’re doing this Jericho march around and that is when it says Jesus stood out and cried!  Well, the amazing thing is that again they would always sing the Hallel, which is Psalms 113 through Psalms 118.  And so what…

Sid:  The Stone that the builder’s has rejected has become the Chief Cornerstone; if that’s not amazing I don’t know that is.

Mark:  Exactly, exactly and the other thing they sing is “The Lord is my strength and my song and He has become my salvation.”  Well the Hebrew word for salvation is “Yeshua,” which is also very interesting.  But in…

Sid:  So the Lord has become my Jesus, is that what you’re saying?

Mark:  Ha-ha, exactly, exactly and then the other thing that is so amazing to me is it also says this, and it’s from Exodus 15 where Miriam says “The Lord is my strength and my song.” you know “When He has become my salvation!  Well, the Talmud records they also think from Isaiah 12, it says “Behold God is my salvation I will trust and will not be afraid, for the Lord Jehovah is the strength and my song; He has become my Yeshua; therefore with joy will you draw water from the wells of Yeshua.”  And right when they sang, “With joy will you draw water from the wells of Yeshua, that’s when He shouted out, “Yes,” as the scripture says, “He who comes to Me out His belly will flow wells of Living Water.”

Sid Roth:  Mishpochah there’s such richness that has been stolen from you…

Sid: ...Where we are just so filled with the Spirit of God it’s as if we we’re walking in an open heaven 24-7.  And that’s the book that I’m featuring this week by Eddie Rogers, I have him on the telephone from his home in Bremen, Georgia.  The name of the book is “Supernatural” subtitle is “Living under an Open Heaven.”  And for those that feel stuck, feel like they’re not going backwards, but they’re really not going forwards. And that’s deception by the way, if you you’re not going forwards the kingdom of God is always advancing.  If you are not going forwards you’re going backwards, you’re just deceived, you don’t know.  And if you want to stop going backwards…Now Eddie, I just talked to you yesterday about after revival hit and God began dealing with you, you began going to foreign countries and seeing miracles, everything you read in the Bible you saw in these foreign countries.  Then you started being, getting involved with the food bank in Western Georgia and you began seeing those same miracles occur.  For instance on yesterday’s broadcast we talked about someone that was deaf getting their hearing back, but how about the person with the missing ear drum?

Eddie:  Yeah, that was an exciting one, I’m glad that you reminded me of that.  This was on an afternoon session in which lead from one miracle even to even a greater miracle I would say.  We always like to close our meeting, my portion of it by praying for people that the Lord would highlight or through a word of knowledge or something along that line to prove to them that you know Jesus really genuinely loves them and He will minister to them.  And I think what is so exciting to me about this Sid is that you know we’re not, we’re not doing crusades in third world while we do that this is not where the miracles are happening.  It’s happening every day, there happening in Wal-Mart, they are happening in food banks and this is the Kingdom of God which you were just relating to a while ago, this is what the Kingdom of God is about, living under an open heaven.  And that afternoon session, I called a lady up and I said, “Let’s pray for somebody that is deaf in one ear.”  And I said, “And you’re deaf in your left ear, come forward.”  And this lady come forward, and I said “Are you deaf in your left ear?”  She said, “Yeah, I don’t even have an eardrum it was removed when I was a child.”  And so I turned to the rest of the crowd and I said, “Okay, if God heals her ear than this is proof that Jesus can heal, and if He will heal her, He will heal you and He will meet your needs.  All he is looking for is an opportunity, this is not something that I can fake, I can’t talk her into hearing, we can’t make it happen on our own it would have to be a demonstration of power.”  So as we prayed for the lady it popped, she said, “Something popped in her ear.”  She plugged up her other ear and was able to hear out of it, she testified, she said, “I can hear, I’m hearing out of that ear, I know that’s impossible, but I’m hearing.”  And it caused quite a stir, and do you want me to go into the story after this?

Sid:  I do!  Anytime a dead person comes back to life I want you to go into that story.

Eddie:  Yeah, I hadn’t noticed but right on the very front row, now I’m a former EMT, I was a Fire Fighter and Emergency Medical Technician for sixteen years so I do know a little bit about emergency services and things that are related to that.  There was also a nurse that was in the meeting that afternoon as well and the nurse was actually the person that got my attention.  As soon as the lady that had been healed of the hearing sat down, she went running over to a lady that was right in front of me and she said, “Are you okay, are you okay?”  And I knelt down in front of her to look at her and she was passing out.  Well, I’m not going to be stupid and I just told the people I said “Call 911 and get the emergency services on their way,” because that’s what we have to do, we have to follow a protocol.  But in the course of that we were looking for her pulse, we were looking for her breathing, and the woman died.  I had no pulse, we had no respiration, just what we call a cystoly that the nurse and I both looked at each other and we knew that this woman had just died.  And we again, I was calling for some people to come forward and remove her from the auditorium and take her to the front where when the emergency personal could arrive she could be right there.  And again it is probably two minutes had transpired, there had been no breath, a still feeling of her chlorated artery there was no heart rate and no breathing.  Before the guys picked up her chair and carried her out, I put my hand on her chest and I just said, “In the name of Jesus,” and when I said that, she took a deep breath and she came back.  And her eyes, rolled out of her head, you know into a visible view and the nurse looked at me and said very confidently, “She just came back from somewhere.”  And I said, “Yeah, I know that she did,”  Well she was carried to the hospital, two days later I went to the hospital to visit her in her room, she had her children with her.  She wanted to talk with me, but she didn’t want to talk in front of the children.  So two weeks after that, I met with her and I said, “You tell me what transpired that day, what happened to you?”  And she was very emotional and very choked up with tears as you could imagine, but she said, “I died,” and I said, “You know you died, and she said, “I just know, I died, I left my body, I died.”  And I said, “What happened then?”  And she said, “You put your hand on me and you said, Jesus and when you said, Jesus I came back into my body.”  So you know I know from a medical standpoint, legally they have to be pronounced dead by a doctor, and I know for many people that would not qualify somebody being raised from a dead.  But when you have woman yourself saying that she was standing out of the side of her body watching this transpire, I’m going to go with her testimony, that she was dead and brought back to life.  So that was pretty cool.

Sid:  That is, but there’s another gift that you operate under that really, really intrigues me it’s called the gift of discerning of spirits.  Briefly what is the gift of the discerning of spirits?

Eddie:  Well let’s start by what it’s not, it’s not a suspicion and it’s not discernment.  We can have a discernment.  The discerning of spirits is the ability by the Holy Spirit to recognize what spirit is actually operating in a person or if no spirit.  I mean whether it would be the Holy Spirit, whether it be another entity demonic or it be the flesh.  It is a gift of the Spirit that tells us what is operating in somebody else or what we’re up against.

Sid:  And when did this gift come up you?  When did it start?

Eddie:  They all started in greater revelatory capacity at the time that we were prayed for there at Jekyll Island and the angel appeared to us over our head and poured that holy oil or honey or whatever it was on our head.

Sid:  So give me an example of a real experience where the gift was activated and what occurred.

Eddie:  I was in a meeting in Memphis, Tennessee and the pastor of a church told us that there was a Satanist, a warlock that had come to the meeting that night to disrupt the service.  As I went into the meeting a friend of mine was doing the speaking that night we were alternating speaking.  And this young man came to the front of the church, he was dressed in black, he had on black eyeliner, his hair was died black, he had all of the makeup of looking as though that he were a Satanist.  He told the people that he was a Satanist, everybody believed him, I stood in front of him and when I prayed for him the power of God hit him and he fell to the ground, when I knelt over to minister to him thinking we’re going to eject some demons here, the Spirit of God spoke to me and said, he’s clean, he’s just needing attention.  And so that was a discerning of spirit that this was somebody in great need looking for attention rather than truly being possessed.  Now that doesn’t mean that he could not have become possessed because he certainly was setting himself up for that, but had we just went by what we’d seen in the natural we would have been running after something that was not even there.  But as a result of the Spirit of God telling us that he just needs attention we were able to lead into a prayer of salvation and he was saved and his countenance changed.  And that is a good example of knowing when and how the Holy Spirit works when it’s of the Spirit, when it’s of the flesh or when it’s truly demonic.

Sid:  Another thing that intrigues me immensely when you were obedient to God and you moved and you went to the place where God wanted you to move, tell me about the time that you were at the piano, what happened?

Eddie:  It was on a Sunday afternoon, some friends were gathered in our house, maybe ten or twelve people and we were just getting, we’d been here about maybe a month, three or four weeks, maybe up to a month.  And we were just going to do some worship with some friends and just enjoy just the presence of the Lord.  As I was getting ready to play, one of the people in the room that was with us said, she yelled out, she said “There’s a huge angel standing next to the keyboard.”  And about that time the power of God swept into the room and people were just laid out under the power incoherently inebriated, intoxicated in the presence of the Holy Spirit.  Some were weeping, some had joy, but it was just a manifestation of the Spirit of God, we were literally living under an open heaven.  That the very day after that we moved in, we moved in on a hot July day and next morning I was the first one up out of the house, I fixed me a coffee, I stepped out on the porch, while others were still asleep, climbing over boxes.  And I sat down on the porch and all I said was I said, “Let the heavens be open,” because I knew I had obeyed God explicitly; and when I said that “There was a whooshing sound that came through the trees, every hair on my head stood up, even as it is now as I’m recalling that moment on the porch; and the heavens became opened that very moment because we had explicitly obeyed Him in every instance.  And it was verified audibly, we heard, we saw, we heard the wind and we felt the tangible presence of God.  And Sid literally we have angels that live with us that not only that I see, but that my wife sees from time to time but even my daughter and even my grandson.

Sid:  And even as you take pictures, they show up as light, do you have many photographs like that?

Eddie:  We have many photo graphs of what we call orbs.  And orb is just a…

Sid Roth:  Ops, our time is just escaping.

Sid:  My guest is red hot for the Messiah; I’m speaking to him at his home in Fort Worth, Texas; Steve Solomon.  Steve is another Jewish man that can’t keep quiet about Yeshua.  Steve, you’re a Pastor of a church and an amazing phenomenon started happening in the year 2005 in your church.  Oil in the sanctuary, as a matter of fact CBS came out to do an excerpt this.  Tell the circumstances.

Steve:  It was just before July 4^th we had some extended meetings started Sid, you know Liberty meetings, Freedom in the Spirit meetings that kind of thing and with Independence Day.  And a few days before July 4^th my secretary called me at the house.  On Tuesdays we have feed the multitudes where we give away free groceries to the hundreds of families in the area every Tuesday.  So intercessors would pray in the sanctuary before that food ministry.  Well, they were praying in the sanctuary and they wanted to pray for me the Pastor so they were looking for some oil.  So one lady said to other lady, “Find some oil.”  So they were looking for like a bottle of oil in the church that we have.  And the other lady yelled out, “I found some oil.”  And on the columns of the church the decorative columns in the pillars there was oil starting to seep out of the columns.  And the more they looked the more oil they found, it was like on the banisters, it was like on the balcony, it was a Plexiglas eighteen inch like decorative piece on the top of the …

Sid:  “Is there any natural explanation?”

Steve:  No, no.  They called me and they said, “Pastor Steve there is oil in the sanctuary.”  And my first thought was that something had broke and was linking oil, and I thought “Oh great something else to fix.”  And then they said, “No, no, no it’s supernaturally appearing, it’s sweet, it’s clear and it’s appearing all over the church.”  So we went to the church and Sid, it was everywhere in the sanctuary, on my pulpit, just on the base of Star of David, the Israeli flag, it was there.  I mean it was just like appearing, and so we started these meetings we had this extended meetings.  And then what happened is then we prayed for people people would get oil on their hands or else oil on their feet.  And oil would drip on them from out of nowhere miracles took place.  We always had a healing ministry and miracle ministry, but it was acceleration.  A guy walked in one night blind in one eye and could hardly walk and he was instantly healed and his knees were instantly healed.  Another kid jumped off a roof trying to jump into a swimming pool and broke both of his feet and the Lord healed his feet and there was oil on his feet and he got healed.  People healed from cancer, people started taking pictures of the oil, this is how CBS’s the local affiliate got involved and it got broadcast to different stations across the country.  People stated taking pictures of the oil and when we took pictures of it Sid you would see these white balls of light in the pictures.

Sid:  We call them orbs.

Steve:  Yeah, orbs.

Sid:  Which are to me are angels.

Steve:  And the most phenomenal thing happened.  On July 17, 2005; it was a Sunday morning service; just after praise and worship.  And I’ll tell you the Lord comes down when we worship Him, He inhabits the praises of His people and it’s phenomenal what happens and still happens.  And this was when the song that came about in a minute I’ll tell you about.  But on Sunday morning July 17^th just after praise and worship we blew a power transformer outside the Church and the power went out.  For the next two hours the Church stayed cool like a refrigerator, we only had one light that they brought in with an extension cord.  But a man had a video camera taping the service.  And the little video camera, as I’m praying for people you can see these orbs of light start moving like a strobe light show all throughout the Church, it’s phenomenal.

Sid:  On the video itself?

Steve:  On the video, they’re moving.

Sid:  Well, you know it’s kind of all these normal things assuming you regard the New Testament as normal.  All these normal things are going on in your Church tell me, because I’m fascinated by this CD that a member of your congregation sent me, Riverwalk DNA.  We’re going to play an excerpt called, “Say Yes.”  Tell me about that song.

Steve:  This song was written by one of the members of the church during this time, this summer when the oil was being poured out.  And it says “Father, Son and Holy Spirit send Your angels, pour Your oil.”  In other words, when God sends something, when God shows up and He showed up in a tremendous way I believe He was consecrating us separating us anointing us for a specific task as a Church Body for the future.  And the inspiration came for this song and when people hear it, “Father, Son and Holy Spirit send Your angel, pour Your oil upon us.”  It has phenomenal results and countless people Sid had been touched by worshipping Him during this song.

Sid:  Okay, why don’t you consider yourself challenged?  Why don’t you pull off to the side of the road, if you’re driving or take what Steve said seriously?  What would happen if everyone listening to us right now Steve were to take the time, just this next minute or so to worship God?  Do it right now, “Say Yes” excerpt from “Riverwalk.”

“Say Yes” excerpt from “Riverwalk.”

Sid:  That’s one of my favorite songs, now I can’t say that, there are so many of my favorite songs on this Riverwalk DNA.  Steve there is a, just a happiness is the best way I can describe it a supernatural joy on some of this music, some of it so outrageous.    I had a prayer meeting and no one was participating so I said, “Okay, I’m going to get you in the mood” and I prayed an excerpt from the song that we played on the first day and that really; everyone was tapping their feet.  How do you get such joy in this music?

Steve:  You know, “In the presence of the Lord there’s fullness of joy and pleasures forevermore.”  And God wants us, I remember when starting the Church, the Lord said, “Get the music in their face.”  I said, “Lord we’re not going to do without great music, just anointed music.”  People come in Sid, and I’m sensing right now, since playing this song, “Say Yes” and us talking about it, everybody has problems, everybody has situations.  And the Bible says in Isaiah 61 “The Spirit of the Lord God is upon me because the Lord has anointed me to preach good tidings, good news unto the meek.”  And going down to verse 3 “To appoint unto them that mourn in Zion to give unto them beauty for ashes, the oil of joy for mourning; the garment of praise for the spirit of heaviness.”  Sid, when people come into the church one of the biggest testimonies I love to have them say, “Oh Pastor Steve, your teaching, your preaching, you ministry set me free is you’re so wonderful.”  But most of the people say, “When I walked in, something hit me.”  And I believe that same thing which is the Spirit of God.  Because listen, if we worship Him, listen “If we lift Him up He’ll draw all men unto Himself.”  And I believe Sid as you and I are talking, I sense a tangible anointing for the oil of joy to set people free.  David said, “I shall be anointed with fresh oil.”  And I just want to pray right now in Jesus name, there are people that are bound with heaviness, you’ve just gone through a divorce, you’ve buried a love one, you’ve lost a job, you didn’t get what you thought you were going to get when you prayed for it, something thing, it didn’t turn out your way.  But “We know that all things work together for good to them that love God who are the called the elect according to His purpose,” God’s purpose and His pleasure.  “Father, we pray right now in the name of Jesus the oil of joy, that deliverance, I sense people being healed right now, people being encouraged right now, people who wanted to take their own life.”  In the name of the Lord Jesus, “You shall live and not die.”  And “I thank you Father for healing cancers, for setting people free from all manner of incurable situations, right now in Jesus name as Sid and I are worshipping You.”  Brother, Jesus is so wonderful and when we lift Him up and that’s the testimony that we hear all the time, that when people walk in the Church during Praise and Worship, first time visitors, it hits them in the face.  And all I want is Jesus, all I really want is Him and to say yes to Him Sid and that’s all we need, the Son of God.  Either He’s sufficient for us or He’s not, either He is my portion or inheritance or He’s not.  Either He’s all that I need, the Messiah and Son of God or He isn’t Sid, and that’s where I believe God is bringing His precious chosen people, Jew and Gentile.  He’s taken everything, removing every earthly crutch so that He alone is sufficient for everything in our life.

Sid:  Why do you call your CD “Riverwalk DNA?”

Steve:  Well, DNA is the code of life to every human being, and we are praying about a name and this artist, you see the cover of this CD?

Sid Roth:  Yeah, it’s beautiful.

Steve:  This guy who’s a prophetic artist he just happened to be in town and heard about our church, and he wanted to come by.  And he drew this prophetically during the worship service during the Praise and Worship, he drew this ladder, one of the songs is “Jacobs Ladder” I’m in Jacob’s dream scene seeing heaven’s gate, let me climb all night on my ladder of faith.  Alright, he draw’s this ladder and it looks like DNA and it looks like DNA to me.  And he said it was DNA and I knew right away when the code of our spiritual life is the Son of God; the ladder, Jacob’s ladder, the Messiah.

Sid:  We want everyone everywhere to be breathing in the oxygen of heaven.  And you know how you breathe in the oxygen of heaven?  By worshiping God, I’m reminded of a businessman that I knew many years ago.  He had five mega million dollar businesses and he would get up every morning and he would worship God.  He would tell God how much he loved him, how grateful he was that he knew Him.  He would just worship every aspect of God, and the more he worshipped the more he could breathe in the oxygen of heaven and the more that he could breathe in the oxygen of heaven the more Godly ideas he had to be a successful business man to acquire wealth for the Kingdom’s sake.  Now my guest Grace Williams has been a guest several times on the Messianic Vision and I usually don’t interview someone again, but she did it again.  She came out with CD’s and you know Grace it talks in scripture that we’re to go from glory to glory and that’s what’s going on.

Grace:  Yes.

Sid:  Your not I believe if people are standing still they’re going backwards and they don’t even know it.

Grace:  Yes, yes, yes amen.  Sid we’re called to go from glory to glory you know in heaven’s realm that’s, that’s where we should be living and just in that constant flow of acceleration in God’s glory where there’s just incredible movement and momentum in the Spirit.  And I really feel like that’s the season that we are in right now in that just as this new CD is even called “Overflow.”  We are just entering into a season of the overflow of His presence, of His glory, of His abundance and that just beautiful place, that beautiful place of overflow where it’s just overflowing with God’s goodness and joy.  And everything that He has we are entering into that season where we are going to be able to access that.

Sid:  Now you, one of your songs which I love, I have a problem Mishpochah normally there are five great songs and then the others are okay.  But my problem is we love all of the songs on this CD.  Now one that we are not going to play it’s called “River” and you talk about the need for the river, the need for the water because we are literally dehydrated and we don’t know it.  You know when you, if you don’t drink enough water by the time you’re thirsty you’re already dehydrated it’s too late.

Grace:  That’s right, that’s right that’s why it’s so important that we keep hydrated like you said Sid, we keep hydrated in the Spirit and in that presence of worship.  And the Lord actually spoke to me about that song, “The River” and said “That it would be like spiritual CPR to people.  It would literally bring people back to life; it would bring the hopeless back to life; it would just bring people out of desert places.  You know when you think of the desert and it’s a dry, just really, really dry and desolate place that this song was just going to bring water to the desert places and people would receive the refreshing of His Spirit and be hydrated by the living waters.  Because one of my favorite scriptures it says, “When we drink from that fountain that we will never thirst again,” when Jesus said that.  And that is just so incredible that these waters have sustaining life in them, you know it’s His sustained, it’s His presence that sustains us.  And just exactly like you said, you know our physical body when we get to that point of dehydration it’s already too late and we can’t even go for more than three days without water in our physical body.  That’s not very long, so how much more, you know do we need the refreshing, renewing presence of the Holy Spirit to just wash over us and refresh us, to fill us to overflowing.

Sid:  And speaking of overflow, that’s the name of one of two CD’s we’re featuring this week.  One is called “Overflow,” the other is called “Heaven’s Rain.  And I have to tell you about the first song that I heard on your CD that caused me to realize that this is better than what she did before.  We’ve got to get her back it was called, “Open up the Gates.”  Because I’ve had prophetic words about ancient doors in Israel that are about ready to open up.  But what did God show you and it’s from a scripture for you to write, “Open up the Gates?”

Grace:  Well, kind of taken from Psalms 24 you know it talks about “Oh lift up your heads oh ye gates be lifted up you everlasting doors, let the King of Glory come in.”  And I really felt like the song was just a prophetic declaration that was releasing the glory flood gates to open us and to say. “Yes come on in King of Glory, cover the earth.”  You know that scripture that says, “May His Glory cover the earth like the waters cover the sea.”  And you know those gates are a powerful, powerful visual image that I really, I really see and there were times when I was working on this song and I would be in prayer and intercession and the Lord showed me these ancient, ancient gates and it was almost like through our prayers and our intercession and our worship we were standing at these gates and we contending and almost like praying and sometimes there’s a warfare to breakthrough to open up these gates.  But through God’s power and glory and through our worshipping and our decreeing, open up, open, open up gates that these gates are opening up and King of Glory is coming in.  And there’s such a mighty, mighty flow, a mighty, mighty flow.  I’m just feeling even right now, right now that the Lord’s just saying that these places that have been locked, these places that have been locked up that God said that He’s given us keys.  Just as the key of David is through worshipping, He’s given us keys to open up these gates and let the King of Glory come in and release everything that God’s promised to us.  Everything, every promise, every promise God says is going to be given to us in the name of Jesus.

Sid:  Now you had a supernatural sign when you were doing, when you were ministering this song.  First of all, a woman who had a lump in her breast, she got healed.  But then as you were leaving the church you saw something on the double doors as they opened, explain.

Grace:  Yes it was, it was an amazing evening, actually it’s where this song was first birth like prophetically birthed in the Spirit.  And I basically just kept seeing that one part, open up, open up, open up the gates and that’s how this song, the first part of it came.  And I was ministering that and that lady got healed and then we were leaving the building and we went out the doors and there was like this white smoke, it’s like this glory cloud that was swishing around at the doors and it was like everybody stopped and looked.  And it was like oh my goodness that was like the glory of the Lord and nobody could move and we just kind of started just like praying and worshipping again and thanking God.  It was like everybody knew there was like something like really, really powerful that was happening you know.  It was like it was a visible sign of like yes this conformation of the gates opening up and the glory of the Lord filling filling the Temple.

Sid Roth:  I’m going to believe that the gates are going to open up for those that are listening right now, Grace minister “Open up the Gates.”

Grace worship excerpt: “Open up the Gates.”

SID: Hello, Sid Roth here with Hank Kunneman. And Hank, you’re pretty happy and chipper now. But in the early ’90s, things weren’t going too well for you, were they?

HANK: No. I was a lot younger then. I had just tried to start my ministry and I was recently married. I have been married 22 years to a wonderful wife. I was praying, Sid, and I felt like God wasn’t answering my prayers. All of a sudden, something amazing happened, I’d like to tell you. I was praying and I thought I saw something out of the right side of my shoulder move.

SID: That’s happened to me. I’ll bet that’s happened to you sometime. You’re in a room alone and all of a sudden…nah, I didn’t see it. But what was it?

HANK: Well I’ll tell you. I thought I saw it and I looked over, and I thought, boy, there’s something there. So I looked again and I couldn’t believe what I saw. And I didn’t have pizza, so I knew it wasn’t a pizza dream. I looked over on the right side of my shoulder and there was an angel standing right next to me. And I looked and he looked at me. I looked at him. And of course, I was afraid. So I thought, well I better pray, because I didn’t know what else to do. So I went over by my prayer chair.

SID: When all else fails, pray.

HANK: And I stood in front of my prayer chair. I couldn’t believe that this angel stood right next to me. And I thought, I should do the spiritual thing, you know, fold my hands. And so I folded my hands. I looked to my right. The angel was folding his hands. I thought, okay, this is interesting. So I began to pray. And he had the same form that I had. I knelt down. I thought, well the spiritual thing then, is not just to fold your hands, but to kneel. So I knelt down, too. The angel knelt down next to me on my right. I looked over at him, he looked over at me. I could hardly believe it. I said, Lord, this is so crazy. I started praying and worshiping the Lord. He started worshiping the Lord. But here’s what’s amazing. All of a sudden, I began to pray about the nations and about my ministry, and as soon as I did that, Sid, something happened. All of a sudden, this angel shot out of my room! I mean, just with such force and such power right when I was praying for the nations. You know 20-some years later…

SID: So you could see…

HANK:  Yeah.

SID: …and you could see that when you’re praying, whether you can see that angel next to you or not, when you’re praying I want you to capture this vision, the angel shoots out to cause your words to come to pass. That’s what you learned from that. That’s what I’ve learned.

HANK: Angels are waiting for us. But you know what’s amazing? After this happened, two weeks later, my wife Brenda and I are in this auditorium and Benny Hinn is conducting a service. And he points out, you know how Benny does, “You right back in the back.”

SID: Were there a lot of people?

HANK: Yeah, it was a pretty good size. It wasn’t as big as the huge auditoriums. But this was back in 1990. It was a pretty good size room. Probably not as big as obviously as the main convention centers, but big enough to be lost in the crowd; called me out and my wife, and began to prophecy to us the very things now, listen to this, that I was speaking in my room that nobody was listening to but God. Benny began to prophecy to my wife and I about the things, Sid, that we are walking in today. Now here’s the thing. Right after he prophesied, the angel shot out of my room, the opposite happened in my life.

SID: What happened to your job?

HANK: Well, I got fired.

SID: You got fired!

HANK: And it looked like I was never going to amount to anything. It looked like I wasn’t going to even be in the ministry.

SID: By the way, tell everyone why you got fired. I think this is important.

HANK: Well I got fired because I was working for a particular corporation and they wanted to go out and get drunk, and they wanted to go to a strip club, and I said, no I’m not going to do this. They said, well you don’t have to go in, you’re just the designated driver. I said, “No, I will not do this.” So the boss fired me for insubordination. I don’t know what is insubordinate about moral standard. But the powerful thing is, after I got fired, that night I prayed over all of their beds, and they came back drunk and everything. And here’s the funny thing, Sid. Sometimes we don’t think our prayers are working. I tell you, the power of God went into those beds. They couldn’t even sleep in their beds. They had to lay out on the floor and they were so miserable, and they kept saying, “What did you do to my bed?” And I thought, oh boy, because I kept my heart right, I forgave them and I kept praying. See, that’s the thing about breakthrough.

SID: That’s the key to breakthrough.

HANK: You have to be determined to stay with it. Even the lineage that led up to the Messiah was determined spirit that you see in people, you know, Jacob wrestling for the blessing. There’s that determined spirit.

SID: Okay, but here’s the thing that you don’t know. Here he has an angel next to him. The angel darts off to answer this prayer. Then he and his wife are in a meeting and Benny Hinn doesn’t even know them, he calls them out, he prophesies what’s been going on in his bedroom. I mean, everything wonderful is going to happen. And then he loses his job. The bottom falls out. And so much…How much time went by until you had your breakthrough?

HANK: Well it was probably, the Lord spoke a phrase to me. He said, “For the next seven years,” He said, “you’ll be like Joseph,” He said, “because I want to teach you character to handle the anointing and the responsibility of what I’m going to give you.” But you know one of the things that happened, Sid, I got to tell you this story. When I got fired, my wife and I, the only thing we knew to do was just go back to the Lord and pray. So we were praying one day and my wife’s sister was living with us at the time. We began to pray, worship the Lord. My little boy, who is now 17, was two years old. We were worshiping the Lord and we started smelling this smell of fire. And we thought, what is this? We’re worshiping the Lord and…

SID: All you need is a fire. You’re praying, you’re trying,

HANK:  We were already in the fire!

SID: …you’re doing everything you know to do, and all of a sudden, smoke! Where there’s smoke…

HANK: Yes. And so we thought, what is this. We rushed outside. I couldn’t believe my eyes. We looked up above my house. There was a cloud of smoke. It wasn’t a natural smoke because there was no fire. But it was visible in the natural realm that we were in. And even the neighbor, who was a sheriff, came out, couldn’t believe it either. Didn’t know what it was. But it was the Glory of God. And it was right after that time that a businessman called me out of the blue, after I got fired this happens. And he says, “Hank and Brenda,” he said, “you are called to the nations to preach my word and God has his Word in your mouth.” And the Lord to me, “For the next year, year and a half, I am to support you…full medical benefits, and I am to support you a full salary…”

SID: What did you have to do for this?

HANK: Just pray and read the scriptures.

SID: You didn’t have to go Heaven. He had Heaven on Earth. But it took seven years for his breakthrough.

HANK: Before the breakthrough.

SID ROTH: Here’s what I believe and this is what Hank believes. We are in the decade of the breakthrough right now. What that means is, it’s not going to take seven years. But there are certain keys and there is an anointing that I believe God has personally called Hank to release upon you so that you can have your breakthrough. Don’t go away. We’ll be right back after this word.