Sid Roth

Sid:  My guest Steven Brooks, I’m speaking to him at his home in Moravian Falls, North Carolina a place, as a matter of fact Steven I’ve been to Moravian Falls, but the only time I have seen angels, no there were two times, but the only time that I’ve seen angels is I got into North Carolina I saw a couple on the road as I was driving.  And I saw it, the reason I knew that they were angels is I saw them and then I blinked my eyes and they weren’t there.  And I thought I must be imagining something.  And so then I drove down the road a little further and I saw that same angels and then they were gone again; so I think they were playing with me, I’m not sure.

Steven:  Right.

Sid:  You’ve had so many angelic encounters and the purpose of your book is not for people to have angelic encounters, but the angels are there working with them and we’ve never been taught on how to cooperate with the angles.  On yesterday’s broadcast you were talking about the purpose of angels, would you continue teaching on that?

Steven:  Well, Sid the angels will help us in the things that God has called us to do.  I’ll give you an example of my ministry I know that there are two angels, I have actually met them before and I’d like to tell you and share with the people how I met these two angels.  But they help me in a certain area of ministry that just really helps me to minister very effectively.  But let me tell you how these two angels were originally assigned to me. I was living in Long Beach, California, this was about six years ago, and I had gone out in the garage of my home to pray.  Sometimes I’ll pray in the house, but there as activity with the family going on in the house so I went out to the garage to pray because it would be quiet, but Sid even as I was in the garage I could still hear some background noise from the house.  I thought well, I’ll just sit in my wife’s car which was parked in the garage and then I’ll close the door and I won’t hear anything.  And at that time the car my wife was driving was a PT cruiser. It was purple like a deep really rich purple color and because we lived in Southern California it was popular to have a personal plate, even the license plate said, “Royal PT” because of the deep purple color.  Well, I was sitting in the car and I was just praying and spending time with the Lord and I just went over to that realm where I hit the glory realm and just seemed like the car just kind of filled up with the cloud and I just put my hands up and began to worship the Lord.  And as I did that Sid I heard a sound and it sounded like “swoosh,” and the back of the car it felt like the back of the car went down about two inches. Naturally Supernatural Sid Roth

Sid:  Well, were you afraid?

Steven:  No, there was absolutely no fear but there was an awe at the same time, there was a reverence.  In moments like that there is no flippancy, there is no silliness, it was like an awe.  And I because the car, I physically felt the car go down.  I said, “Lord,” and I had my eyes closed and I was in deep in prayer, I said, “Lord I said, two angels just came and sat down in the back seat of the car didn’t they?”  And I heard a voice Sid it seemed to me like it was right next to me a voice a man’s voice spoke and spoke, “Yes, they did.”  And so I’m probably like you Sid, I’m curious it something’s unraveling I want to find out more of what’s actually taking place.  And I said, “Lord, what is the purpose of these angels?  He said, “They are here to help you and assist you in your times of prayer and fasting.”  And then I got a little more bold, I said, “What are their names?”  He said, “Joash and Josiah.”   Now Sid when I heard that voice speak to me and tell me those two names, Joash and Josiah very slowly I was sitting in the front seat.  Very slowly I turned around, I turned my head around and I looked in the back seat of the car and there sitting there were two male angels, they looked to be about thirty years of age, they had hair that was just as black as a raven that came down and rested on their shoulders.  Their eyes were so beautiful, their eyes looked like dark Tahiti pearls, and their robes were like red, thick velvet and they were so red they looked like a deep stained crimson color. Sid when I saw them I just said, “Lord, thank you, I receive their ministry.”  And I begin to turn back towards the front and when I turned towards the front all of the hair on the back of my neck stood completely up, and there sitting in the front passenger seat was the Lord Jesus Himself. Sid Roth broadcast

Sid:  My goodness, that’s an experience to last a life time!

Steven:  I could hardly function for two weeks for almost two weeks after this experience happened.  After when I turned and saw the Lord sitting in the front passenger seat I pushed myself over to the left side of the car and looked at Him I was shocked, I was totally stunned. That was the first time ever saw the Lord in person like that.  And to top it off he was wearing a purple robe, a deep beautiful purple robe, He had a gold belt, it was like a sash around His waist.  I could look down in the floor board, I could see His feet and I could see that He was wearing gold sandals and He had a gold miter a crown on His head.  And Sid He looked at me and He smiled; I was able to see Him clearly, He was only two feet away from me.  And He smiled at me.  I knew He took pleasure in knowing that He had caught me off guard.  Ha because I was so stunned that I knew that it had tickled Him some.  But He put His hands, He crossed His hands together and put His hands in His lap and leaned forward and began to pray and intercede for my ministry.  And I just put my hands up and began to worship the Lord and worship God and after just a few more minutes that vision lifted.  I came out of the car and the first thing I did was laying on the desk there in the garage I had my Credence Concordance which in the back of it has every Greek and Hebrew name listed with their meanings. I looked up the name Joash and it means the fire of the Lord.  I looked up the name Josiah, it means the burning of the Lord.  So Sid when there’s those times of prayer and fasting as the Spirit leads those two angels come and they help me and literally I just lose any appetite for food, it just goes away and I can just focus on praying.

Sid:  How many angels are assigned to you?

Steven:  I am not exactly sure because I’ll give you an example, there’s angels that are assigned to my book department; there are angels that actually help lead people to my books that are available in book stores.  It’s like with your ministry there are multitudes of angels that go out and actually influence people to turn on the TV and watch your program because the Lord knows people need to be feed spiritual food.

Sid:  We get email from people that say, “I’ve never heard of you or your program, but I just felt like turning it on one day and there you were and I got healed or you met this need.   So you’re saying that you believe that their angel really directed them.

Steven:  Yes, that’s one thing the church is also backed off some that we believe the devil is able to influence people with bad thoughts. We of course we understand that God influence us.  The Holy Spirit will influence us with good thoughts but the angels also influence our thoughts; they help us to think those God ideas, or those bright ideas.  Those are the angels dropping that revelation upon our hearts.

Sid:  Would it be appropriate for you to release the angels with your spoken word, as you taught spoken words are important, to get this book in the hands of everyone that is listening right now?

Steven:  I would love to do that, and I would just speak that right now, “Father we thank you for the angels that are available and listening right now; Father there are multitudes of people that are listening to this program that need this book Father and want and desire a closer walk with you and how to work with their angels. ‘So Father we just send forth those angels; ministering spirits go forth and make a way if there are those that do not have the finances make a way for that extra money to come for them to acquire and purchase this book.”

Sid:  Steven tell me about the dream you had about the great shift that’s coming in ministry.

Steven:  Sure, and right now I feel an anointing that there is and I want to touch on that subject; but there is somebody out there that desperately needs a miracle; somebody is struggling financially.  There are people that are listening today that have great financial burdens and unless the Lord does a miracle they’re facing great difficulty.  And right now ministering spirits go forth those individuals that need a financial miracle; that need a breakthrough in their finances and cause the money to come, cause the breakthroughs to come, go in the name of Jesus.  Ooooh, Hallelujah, thank you Lord.

Sid:  Oh I’m so glad you were obedient because we’re going to get letters from that.  Now tell me about the dream you had of the great shift that’s coming in ministry.

Steven:  There is a shift that’s coming because what the Lord wants to do, and I’ll give you an example; back in the 1950’s healing revival that was a powerful move of God’s Spirit.  We’re going to see another move like that come, but it’s going to be different.  There’s going to be some, the Lord has put some safety checks into this next coming move of God’s Spirit and one of the things that’s going to happen Sid is that instead of like back in the 1950’s healing revival there were only 120 people that were really mentioned as far as being ones that were heavily anointed; that’s going to be very different in this next coming move of God.  It’s going to be all hands on deck, it’s not going to be just a few ministers moving in the anointing, yes there will always be a place for the five fold ministry, and yes the fivefold minister even such as myself is assigned with a special anointing, but the Bible says these signs shall follow them that believe.  And there are many believers that are out there today that have you know they say “These signs shall follow them that believe that they shall lay hands on the sick and they shall recover.”  Well, most believers don’t move in that, they think that’s just for the fivefold ministry, but we’re going to see a great awakening of the church and it will be all hands on deck and really when it comes time for this great end-time harvest to pull the nets in and bringing in the multitudes it’s going to require everybody doing their part.

Sid:  And will the church look like it looks today so neat; you almost know before you go into the service how many songs they’re going to be; which will be fast, which will be they’ll be fast then they’re going to be slow.  Then there’s going to be announcements then there’s going to be the offering and then there’s going to be the five point or the three point message.  Will that change?

Steven:  Sid it is going to change, things are going to change because the glory changes things, if I could say it this way, it levels the playing field.  When the glory comes nothing can compete with God’s power it’s just, it doesn’t matter how good a marketing ability might be, or how comfortable the chairs are, or this and that.  When the glory comes, people want to be in on the glory, well at least most people do, there will still be some that are…

Sid:  Oh let that glory come.

Sid:  If you had some of the angelic encounters that my guest has had you’d be red hot for the Messiah, but the purpose of this show is so that you can understand the angels assigned to you and you can start cooperating with them.  Now my guest’s name is Steven Books, I’ speaking to him at his home in Moravian Falls, North Carolina; I’ve been there and the stories I’ve heard that that area was so saturated with angelic visitation.  But tell me Steven about the time that five angels of rival that came to you, we talked a bit about that, but they lectured you literally on living a holy life and some other arenas. Then tell me about your experience with the glory of God. Sid Roth supernatural languages

Steven:  Well, Sid for thirty minutes exactly of them talking with me and me being allowed to ask them certain questions I was sitting before them and they said to me, one angel said, “Steven” he said, “Would you like to experience what it’s like to be in a full blown Holy Spirit move of God?”  And I said, “Yes.”  And when I said “Yes,” each one of those angels, there were five of them that each reached forth with their right hand and they pointed with their pointing finger and held that finger out and they each touched me with just a tip of their finger.”  And when they each touched me at the same time with the tip of their finger I fell out on the floor for over two hours just shaking, my body was just shaking, it felt like electricity just went, if felt like I just stuck my finger in an electrical outlet, and I was just shaking under the power of God.  And I was even thinking, I was with my natural mind, “Lord, I hope this doesn’t wake up my wife and daughter in the room, because I was flopping all over the floor like a fish.”  And the Lord was just shaking out of me anything that wasn’t of Him and making more room for Him in my life.

Sid:  Well that kind of makes sense because you heard a lecturer from the angels on walking in holiness and then you got a little extra help.

Steven:  Right and that’s where the Quakers and the Shakers got their name from having experiences with God’s power.

Sid:  Now, was the power, how could you describe it, it doesn’t sound like it was soft, it sounds like it was almost violent.

Steven:  It is, it doesn’t hurt it feels good, but it causes a reaction. I wouldn’t say it’s a manifestation of the Spirit, I would say it’s a manifestation of my body manifesting to God’s power that flowed through those angels.  And I’m just having a reaction to that. Your flesh will react and mine was just I was just shaking all over the place, I shook for two hours uncontrollably and that’s a long time to shake but after it was all over I had no bruises.

Sid:  I wanted to ask you “Were you sore?”

Steven:  No not at all I felt wonderful, I felt totally energized, I felt like it was a brand new day, it felt awesome.

Sid:  Now, before we went on the air we were talking about the revival that’s coming to America, you were told about the rival.  Tell me some of the things you know about the healing revival that’s coming to America.

Steven:  Well, I know Sid that when it hits it’s full pivot, when it’s at full force it will be going 24 hours a day nonstop.  They’ll be people preaching under the anointing 3 days straight with no sleep, no food, no water.  They’ll be outpourings of God’s glory that will take place at certain hot spots around America.  And you know when I had that visitation from the Lord on that 40 day fast on that 10th day when He told me about this coming revival He said something to me very interesting, but He said this, He said, “Steven, He said when this revival hits full force He said this will be a very good time for Dominos Pizza.”  I said, “What!” I said, “Lord what does that mean?”  He said, “He said the revival will go around the clock, he said, “People won’t leave,” He said, “They won’t go home, He said they’ll just stay there.”  He said, “Where ever My Spirit moves in that type of power He said, “People will not leave they’ll stay there for sometimes for two weeks in a row.”  He said, “What they’ll do is they’ll sit under the anointing, they’ll sit there in these meetings and they’ll come out order a pizza eat it and go right back under that anointing.”  He said, “Steven, they won’t want to leave.” Sid Roth articles

Sid:  Now did He give you any indication as to whether this revival will last until He returns?

Steven:  I believe what is going to take place Sid is that this outpouring of God’s Spirit, it is preparation for the end time.  I think what we’re seeing is a harvesting of the harvesters, so this first wave, this first strong moving of God’s Spirit that we are going to see I don’t believe it’s the final thing.  I believe we need a lot more harvesters, I think that if the harvest came in right now I think every net would break, every ship would sink, I don’t think the church is ready for it, we need more people that know how to lead people into salvation, how to lead people to the Holy Spirit baptism, we need more people that are trained and qualified to do that, and how to instruct young believers in the Lord.  So I believe this first great moving of God’s Spirit that’s going to take place as a harvesting of the harvest.

Sid:  And any idea how long until this happens?

Steven:  I believe we’re just a couple of years out but here’s the thing, is that with my ministry I’m not waiting until everybody says “It’s happening.”  I’ve already jumped on it I’m already surfing this wave even before it breaks and that’s why we’re seeing some amazing miracles of healing that are taking place in our meetings.

Sid:  Tell me about that woman with scoliosis.

Steven:  Well, this was about a year and half ago when I was ministering in Lancaster, California, and there are angels of healing that are assigned to my ministry.  You know I want to explain that to the people because the Lord Jesus He is the Healer, He is the one that’s doing all of the healing, but He works through His willing vessels, and I’m just a vessel and I lay my hands on people and His anointing can flow through me.  And the angels they are in those meetings and they help strengthen me and they’ll put their hands on me to give me strength and just give me a little taste and strength of that glory realm just to help me keep going.  And so I was in that meeting going down the prayer line and I got to the last person in that line, it was a very long line, but Sid the last person in that prayer line for healing was a young girl, she was sixteen years old.  And she suffered with scoliosis of the spine. She had a noticeable curve in the upper part of her back that was there from that scoliosis; she had to wear a back brace 22 hours out of every 24 every single day of her life she had to wear that back brace. And she came into that line and she had her mom take the brace off before she go into the prayer line, but I prayed for her that healing anointing, that power of God went into her body.  She went back to her seat and she asked her mom and she said, “Mom can I please not put that back brace on, I believe the power of God has gone into my body.”  Well, the meeting’s ended and that was on a Sunday, Monday I flew back home to Moravian Falls and on Tuesday I got a call from the pastor at that church.  He said, “Steven, he said “On Monday morning he said that young woman woke up and her back was completely straight.”  And her mother and her looked at her back and noticed that her back had been completely healed and on that very day they had their doctors appointment.  They went into the doctor’s office and the first thing the doctor said he looked at her and said, “What in the world happened to you?”  He said, “We need to rerun all the tests.” They re-x-rayed her and ran all kinds of tests and the doctor said, “Your back is completely normal, what happened to you?”  And she said, “The Lord Jesus Christ healed my back,”

Sid:  You know on a previous show you talked about you were instructed the types of miracles that we would start seeing when this great healing revival hits, tell me those again.

Steven:  There’s going to be, and this might stretch people a little, bit but Sid we’re going to see people that have the worse burned cases severe burns, even third degree burns that are life threatening, they are going to be brought from the hospitals into these meetings where this glory is being poured out and they will be healed.

Sid:  Like someone with their faces all disfigured?

Steven:  Oh yes even like Naaman that had that severe leprosy and most likely even had body parts that had already fallen off and were missing, and it says “He obeyed God and his skin was like that of an infant.  And not only was and he was made whole so if there was anything that had, a nose or finger that had come off from that leprosy it wasn’t just new skin, but he was made whole, brand new.  And so people are going to get body parts back, new skin, this is known in the Bible as the gift of the working of miracles in 1^st Corinthians chapter 12, but we are going to see this come to a prominence, a forefront in the church.  We’re going to see even children with Down Syndrome, people with autism completely healed in these meetings.

Sid:  Are there going to be special cities where this will be known for or will it be everywhere?

Steven:  It won’t be everywhere but it will still be wide spread. Somebody will say, well it’s over here, and somebody will say it’s in Kansas City, and somebody will say it’s Moravian Falls, and then somebody will say it’s in Dallas happening in Dallas, and then somebody will say it’s happening out in California.  So they’ll be outpourings all over the place and people will hear about it and they’ll come by the thousands literally just like they did when Jesus was ministering had crowds up to 20,000 and plus.

Sid:  Steven I have a copy of your new book “Working with Angels” and I have to ask you a question because this is the first time we’ve talked.  Tell me about the cover.

Steven:  The cover of this book is a cover where you see some angel wings and at the same time you see horses that are running. One of the things the Lord told Jeremiah when Jeremiah was having a tough time and felt like he was so far spiritually advanced against the rest of Israel which was in sin and lawlessness, and he said, “Lord this is just really difficult to deal with.”  And the Lord said, “If it’s been hard for you to run with the footman” he said “What are you going to do when you run with the horses?”  So the Lord was trying to pull him up to a higher level of spiritual development so that he could stop walking with the footman and start running with the horses, that’s what the Lord wants us to do is run with the horses, move into this faster realm of the Spirit.

Sid:  When you teach on this area or someone reads your book “Working with Angels” what feedback do you get?

Steven:  I get a lot of positive feedback and also the same time I get a lot of questions primarily people are wanting to know, and I talk about it in the book, but it just generates more interest; “Steven how can I work with them, what do I need to do?” You know I talk about that in the book I talk about how the angels they heed and harken to the voice of His word, now that’s Psalm 103 verse 20.  It’s very interesting because it doesn’t say that “The angels harken to His word.”  Now of course the angels do, they will always harken to God’s word, but it says, “They harken to the voice of His Word.”  In other words…

Sid:  So if we’re not speaking His word, they are not harkening a whole lot, is that what you’re saying?

Steven: That’s right and so many times people do not have the angels activated in their life and they are standing around waiting for them.

Sid:  My guest Deborah Shambora. Deborah in a million years did you ever believe you would be given this gift of seeing in the spirits world, seeing the demons; seeing the angels, seeing what God is up to being able to go to Heaven at will; did you ever think that was possible? Sid Roth radio show

Deborah:  No, I didn’t I had never heard of anybody seeing in the spirit so I thought that it was a little bit strange at first. Then I just trusted the Lord and He taught me as you said yesterday when we were talking we talked about the fact that I was hidden.  The Lord hasn’t really put me in groups, large groups of people who do this, He’s mostly taught me and trained me on my own and I’ve had to make sure that everything I do and say matches up with His scripture, and that’s the most important thing.  I don’t think this is a special gift that’s just for me I think as you say “We’re family” we’re in the family business and this is a valuable gift for us to go about the family business, the Father’s business.  I think that this particular gift that even now God wants to share this gift with anyone who is willing to work and to move with His agenda.  You said something about agenda, agenda we have our own agendas.  We can’t have our own agenda we have to truly just have the agenda the Holy Spirit has.  It isn’t about doing what we’re doing on our own, and I think the Lord wants to make people part of His family today.

Sid:  Well see I believe that if you lay hands on people some wonderful things are going to happen to almost release them into this realm just like that’s what happened with you someone laid hands on you, but I believe that it can be spoken as easily as laying on of hands just like healing can be a word of knowledge or it can be the laying on of hands or it can be the person praying by themselves.  But what do you think about praying for all those that are hungry to move into this spiritual realm where they get their spiritual vision which is far more important than their natural vision.

Deborah:  Right, I tell people this we have spiritual senses I believe we have five spiritual senses the same as we have five physical senses and some people will be more gifted in the sight God will give them more sight but some people will be more gifted in the other senses.  I have smelled things in the spirit, I have heard things in the spirit, I have yet to taste things in the spirit, but I know that’s coming I just don’t know what it’s going to be like because God says taste and see that I am good.  And so I tell people not to really seek after the vision and the seeing because of all of our senses our seeing can be the least reliable at times.  If you just watch a movie we think something’s happening on a movie but it’s actually just being done on a computer simulation.  So I really would like people to be open to sensing with their spirit and to growing in sensing in all of the areas of their spirit and knowing what’s happening in the spirit realm not only by vision, and not seeking that, but seeking to be a part of the family and a part of what God is doing and to join in the family business. Sid Roth radio broadcast

Sid:  You know Deborah I know that God’s been speaking to you as He’s been speaking to me about young people and that have such a hunger for God.  I can see young teenagers moving in the realm you’re moving in large numbers all over the world.  What’s God showing you about this younger generation?

Deborah:  It is so crucial for this younger generation to be introduced to these things in the spirit realm because that’s what they’re looking for and they look for it in all the wrong places, that’s why there’s such an increase I believe interest in witchcraft and the interest in drugs and alcohol by the younger generation because they’re looking for this spiritual life, they’re looking to live in the spirit realm. And it’s not satisfying them trying to do it in the natural, that’s the lie of the enemy that you can have the same thing through drugs or alcohol or whatever else you do. I believe that this generation is the generation that is ushering in the final end of this world and they are crucial to what is going to happen in the spirit realm.

Sid:  You know I think there is going to be such a polarization that when someone says they’re Christian they will be rather than that just happens to be their religion.  And I’m looking at my notes, and you believe this too, that the evil will get stronger and God’s kingdom will get stronger and stronger and people are going to have to choose.

Deborah:  Yes, there is going to be more definitely times of choosing and right now I truly believe we are in a transition point.  We’re in that point of choosing at this moment, it’s a New Year and a Jewish New Year and this New Year there is something different God is doing I truly believe that God is calling us to make that decision.  Do you want to be that Christian who goes to an institutional church on Sunday’s and then goes and lives your life without Him, or do you want to be that kind of person that is in the family of God and actually lives and breathes in the spirit realm as well as in the natural. It’s our choice right now.

Sid:  Deborah press in and pray what God tells you to pray.

Deborah:  Father I just want to ask You to encourage everyone whose listening to light within them that flame that’s inside of them Lord that You put in them and in their spirit I just would ask that You increase that fire in them, that hunger, that thirst after You that desire to be in Your family.  That desire for truth Lord, not in the things of the natural not in any of the things the enemy has placed in our path, but Father that you would have us look in the spirit realm with our eyes and see You, and with our ears and hear Your voice.  You said that we can hear your voice and know it.  We want to hear Your voice Lord, we want to be led by you just like the children of Israel were led through the promise land.  We want to see the fire Lord by night and the cloud by day; I ask Lord even now as those people are pressing into You listening to this radio show that as their pressing in and they’re coming to a place where they say Lord “I want this, I want You in that kind of way I want to be in Your family.  I want to do what You’re doing and partner with Your angels.  I ask that You release that all over this world where this broadcast is being heard just release into them Lord the power.  They don’t need another person they just need You, I ask that You strengthen that relationship that You have with them and I encourage anyone who wants this relationship to just  run to the Lord, just open your heart to Him and run to Him and this is the time that God has that for you.  It’s available for you right now it’s not something you have to work at, it’s not something that you have beg for it’s something that you have to just sacrifice your own agenda and say “Lord it’s about You it’s not about me.”  So thank You Lord for everything that You have done and we appreciate it in Jesus Name Amen.

Sid:  You know Deborah there is such a strong tangible presence of God right now that has flooded this studio.   In fact I’m a little bit concerned about my engineer because when this happens she’s so hungry for God she may not be looking at the controls.  But there is such a wonderful presence of God that is right there.  And in His presence all things are possible and I’m hearing that people are being healed right now; they’re being healed of back pain, that back pain and neck pain.  And in fact pain of any kind in this anointing you can just reach into that invisible world and pull in your healing Deborah?

Deborah:  Pain in the hips and just that has been really bothering someone for quite some time. The Lord is wanting to make that no longer a concern.  There’s something to do with a maybe ovarian cancer that God is working on that God want you to know that He has all power to even heal things like ovarian cancer, it’s not impossible with God to heal specific things like that.  He can deal with back pain, He can deal with pain in the hips He can also deal with cancer and He wants you to know that today.

Sid:  Let me ask you this, “What has God been speaking to you about our One New Man kit that we’re making available?”

Deborah:  I think it’s an incredible opportunity, a way for people to actually get started it in doing the thing that God wants them to do and that’s serving Him in His way and not serving a institution in the way that that’s been set up to serve.  I love the church and I think God has great plans for the church but not the church that we call it the church, not the institutional church that man has built, but the church that God wants to build.  And I think the house church and the One New Man Kit that you’re talking about really is going to be the way to get started in that.  And once you get started the Lord, the Holy Spirit, the Father will actually move you into places you never thought you could go and you’ll be seeing, you’ll be hearing, you’ll be fellowshipping with Him, you’ll be seeing angels ministering with you. I think it all starts from just walking that out, taking that step, saying “Yes, I want to do this thing and I’m willing to do it Lord if you partner with me.”  And just get started, if it’s two people, if it’s four people let God grow it for you as you grow in Him.

Sid:  My guest is red hot for the Messiah her name is Deborah Shambora, I’m speaking to her by way of telephone, at her home in Gilbert, Arizona a city outside of Phoenix. What happened to Debra should not have happen to anyone, a horse went mischugah and started trampling her.  No logical explanation and literally crushed her major organs and just her body was a mess and she ended up dying, but it wasn’t her time and He sent her back and eventually her body healed up but they never even found out she had a problem that her cornea was completely crushed and ruptured and so she had to have stitches.  I mean I couldn’t believe that what was it what did you tell me sixty-five stitches or something.

Deborah:  Oh, about sixty-five stitches it was a cornea transplant.

Sid:  Ah and you only did it on one eye and eventually it healed up and you put a contact lens on it and so you could see a little bit but then you went to Africa and a man with a healing ministry prayed for you to be physically healed.  You were not physically healed but something happened in the Spirit and all of a sudden it’s as if you had spiritual vision, you could see what was going on in the invisible world.  And on yesterday’s broadcast you could see the evil and you could see the good, when you press in and ask God to show you like for instance if you’re praying for someone’s health, sometimes you can, not sometimes I guess every time you can see if you’re pressing in what is going on in the person’s life.  Do you always tell the people what’s going on?

Deborah:  No, sometimes; I tell if the Lord says to tell, let’s say someone ask me to come and pray for their back and when I go and when I start praying for their back because they are having back pain I see their heart instead of their back and their heart has a big tear in it, that’s what it looks like to me.  So I will then say to them, well the Lord knows about your back, but He wants to deal with your heart first and that there’s a wounding in your heart that’s causing you to not be able be at peace. God wants this for you so we need to take care of your heart issue first and then God will take care your healing.  And usually they just start to cry and they start talking about what it was that what it was that was wounded in their heart and we deal with that issue.  And then if after that then I see that the Lord wants to heal and then I’ll start praying for the physical healing to go with that.

Sid:    You know you told me something that is so amazing to me Debra, that since you see in the spirit realm you almost are like an actor on a stage you see the angels, you know what they’re up to by the way they are dressed etcetera, and then you just speak out loud what you see going on in the spirit.

Deborah:  Right.

Sid:  Can you give me an example?

Deborah:  It’s not well, it’s not me at all I can just again see someone’s heart and I also say “Lord is this something You want me to share with that person or is it something You want me to keep quiet?”  I’m just a servant of the Lord I don’t think what I have is anything so spectacular; I think everyone, I think God wants everyone to be able to see in the spirit realm.  We’re citizens of heaven, we eternal citizens from the moment that we’re saved. So why wouldn’t we want to, why wouldn’t we be able to see, hear, sense, feel in the realm that’s our natural realm, which is the spirit realm?

Sid:  But what I meant is sometimes you see what the angels are about ready to do and you actually release them through your words.

Deborah:  Hmm, hum they sometimes come with big jars, they look like pitchers and they are filled with an anointing. So I know that could be healing anointing, but it also could be anointing for service or for a spiritual gift.  It could be an anointing for promotion in the spirit realm and so I will partner with that angel in order to release that particular anointing on the person that it’s supposed to be released with.

Sid:  You know in scripture it talks about the angels move on our words, have you seen that happen?

Deborah:  Angels will only obey the Lord but they will come down and if you are the authority in that meeting then you have the authority to release them to do what they’ve come to do.  You can’t, I can’t just call an angel and say come and bring this, that’s for the Lord to do, God does that He sends His angels.  But when they come I can partner with them to do what they’re supposed to do. They need me to partner with them.  God doesn’t do things on this earth unless people partner with Him, that’s our freewill; He’s given that to us.  So the angels are not going to come and do anything unless we will partner with them.

Sid:  So are you telling me that if you really press in you have insight into anyone you meet?

Deborah:  Generally yes although I don’t press into everyone so I can’t say everyone.

Sid:  And what do you mean by press in by the way?

Deborah:  What I mean is I just I’m a person who has a body, I have a mind, I have emotions, I have all of these things, but I also am a spirit and about fifteen years ago the Lord said, “You need to change the way you think and you need to think as if you are a spirit that just happens to have a body and a mind and emotions for this period of time. Instead of thinking I am a body and emotions and mind everything goes through that first.  So it’s a transition into being that in the spirit realm more than you are in the natural.  Obviously these are things that are very hard to describe with words.

Sid:  No, you’re doing a pretty good job; tell me about the time you went to West Africa last year and you were interceding and you noticed a gentleman came and sat next to you.  Tell me about that.

Deborah:  I was assigned by the Lord and by the people that I was with to do intercession for that particular service and it was our team was sitting in the front row or this very large African church.  There were about 4,000 people I think there, it was the largest church in that country and no one else was sitting with us, and all of a sudden I noticed that there was an African gentleman sitting to my  right and when I looked at him he looked at me and he spoke to me in perfect English, not perfect English, English that I would  understand, American English, United States English which was very unusual and he said to me, “You can go anywhere in the heavenliest that you want to go” and I was so involved in intercession I just said, “Okay thanks.”  And I kept praying throughout the rest of the service and didn’t really process what he was saying.  At the end of the service I looked at him and he said it again, the same way “You can go anywhere in the Heavenlies that you choose to go, you have open access.”  All of a sudden I realized that this was it felt like it was an angel manifesting as a man, it looked like a man but it was an angel.  So I grabbed a hold of my daughter and I said, “Take a picture of me with this man.”  And he was gone after that, I mean she took the picture and then all of a sudden he was gone I was going to ask somebody “Who is this?”  And nobody seems to know who that particular person was.

Sid:  Well, more important than that, assuming that was an angel and that was a true word, were you able to go to Heaven?

Deborah:  Yes. (Laughing)

Sid:  How long did you have to wait until it happened?

Deborah:  Actually I had been in places in the Heavenlies before that but this total access pass if you will, and I don’t mean to name if something that’s silly, but this total access pass meant that anytime I wanted to go into the Heavenlies rather than when God moves me there.  I had been in the Heavenlies before but it was when God took me there in deep intense intercession.  Now I can go into that intercession and prayer and walk into the Heavenlies with His blessing anytime I choose to. I don’t know it that makes sense.

Sid:  It sounds wonderful to me but let me ask you this “What do you accomplish when you go into the Heavenlies, what’s going on?  Why is it beneficial?

Deborah:  If I go into the throne room I can sit at the feet of the Father and just worship and just be in His presence and love Him and if I go elsewhere I can actually pray in the Heavenlies for what God wants to happen on the earth.  And sometimes I can look down and see the earth and see certain things that He’s highlighting, then I make that my prayer focus.  For me the whole reason to go into the Heavenlies is to do what Jesus is doing there now and has been doing for the last 2000 years and that is to intercede.

Sid:  You pretty much have spent your life being hidden, but God has been telling you lately that it’s time for you to go to the next point. Just out of curiosity you have a house congregation in your house, are you the only one that goes to the Heavenlies and has these visions or do others in your house group?

Deborah:  Others can see in the spirit not as openly, some people can sense in the spirit or they sense the angel is there by senses or maybe hot or something hot on the side of their face or a tingling.  Some people can see certain things, everyone is at a different…

Sid:  But you know what the main thing is that everyone in your group is hungry for greater intimacy with God.

Deborah:  Yeah.

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SID: Sid Roth here with Jim Richards. And this is amazing. Jim, repeat what you just said to me that science has just found out.

JIM: Science has now discovered that every time your heart beats it sends an encoded signal to every cell in your body that basically updates that cell to what you believe about yourself right now. Every cell is reprogrammed every time your heart beats.

SID: And isn’t this what Jesus taught us?

JIM: That’s exactly what Jesus taught us, and that’s the amazing thing is, all the way back to the Book of Proverbs, for thousands of years God has given us what science didn’t know. I can remember even 20 years ago I would have heart doctors make fun of me when I would say this. Now those very heart doctors are getting trained to understand in cellular biology how all this stuff works.

SID: When you find an emotion that someone is dealing with, as you’re counseling them, you know how it’s affecting their body. Give me an example.

JIM: For example, we know from a biblical and medical point of view that fear, if a person is having abiding fear it’s about their kidneys. They got trouble in their kidneys. If a person is having abiding anger it’s going to be their liver. If a person is having abiding grief and sorrow it’s going to be the respiratory system. If a person is having fright, panic attacks it’s going to be their heart.

SID: Give me an example of you. Give me an example of an emotion you had and how it affected a specific part of your body.

JIM: You know, I was born with a congenital kidney disease. And in communion with the Lord one time, I was just praying, Lord, how did this happen? Where did this start? And I immediately heard my father’s voice, and I thought I was having a vision. And I realized I was hearing my father’s voice when I was in the womb and he was threatening my mother. And I heard my mother’s very thoughts and she said, “As soon as I have this baby he’ll start beating me again.” And see, the fear that my mother felt literally became imprinted in my kidneys, and that’s why I was born with a congenital kidney disease. I don’t blame my mother. That’s not there. But I also realize if I put off that fear and remove that from my being, then my kidneys had the opportunity to start healing themselves the way God created them to heal themselves.

SID: Okay. The rubber meets the road, so to speak. I’m going to tell you something, an emotion or a feeling that I’m dealing with. My father was a perfectionist and to a degree I want everything to be right. Now I know better. I can’t show this. So what do I do, is I internalize it, and that’s the worse thing that can happen.

JIM: Yes it is.

SID: So I’m driving and someone cuts me off. And I immediately, there’s an upset within me. Now I don’t want that upset. How do I get rid of it?

JIM: You know, I would start with the feeling that I have at that moment, that upset. I would give it a name, whether it’s anger, whether it’s frustration, or whatever you would call it at that moment. But whatever it is you’re going to call it by a name just so you can identify it. And you’re going to go through a process of sending it away or putting it off and putting it on something else. It would be real simple. What would you call that feeling when you have it?

SID: Well I’ll tell you what I call it. I call it pride. Me first.

JIM: Okay. If that’s what you call it then it would be real simple. You would start from the place of, pride, you are not from God. Just say that with me. Pride, you are not from God.

SID: Pride, you are not from God.

JIM: I don’t want you.

SID: I don’t want you.

JIM: You have no place in my place life.

SID: You have no place in my life.

JIM: And then that’s where turn our heart. Father, search my heart.

SID: Father, search my heart.

JIM: Search through every aspect of my being.

SID: Search through every aspect of my being.

JIM: Through every cell of my body.

SID: Through every cell of my body.

JIM: To the very root and core of this pride.

JIM: And by your grace.

SID: And by your grace.

JIM: I expect the courage.

SID: I expect the courage.

JIM: To forgive myself.

SID: To forgive myself.

JIM: To forgive others.

SID: To forgive others.

JIM: To forgive every circumstance.

SID: To forgive every circumstance.

JIM: That has contributed to this problem.

SID: That has contributed to this problem.

JIM: Now pride.

SID: Now pride.

JIM: I send you away.

SID: I send you away.

JIM: I forgive myself.

SID: I forgive myself.

JIM: In the name of Jesus.

SID: In the name of Jesus.

JIM: And I choose.

SID: And I choose.

JIM: Now this is where, what would you want to put, what would you rather feel when this happens?

SID: Love.

JIM: Alright.

SID: Love for the person that just cut me off in traffic.

JIM: Then we pray this way. I choose to feel love.

SID: I choose to feel love.

JIM: I am in Christ.

SID: I am in Christ.

JIM: I am loved.

SID: I am loved.

JIM: I am accepted.

SID: I am accepted.

JIM: The love of God abounds in my heart.

SID: The love of God abounds in my heart.

JIM: I choose to feel love.

SID: I choose to feel love.

JIM: I choose to speak love.

SID: I choose to speak love.

JIM: And by the grace of God.

SID: By the grace of God.

JIM: I trust.

SID: I trust.

JIM: The love of God.

SID: The love of God.

JIM: To manifest in my life.

SID: To manifest in my life.

JIM: It’s literally that simple.

SID: And I just heard something, I might add. But here’s the important thing for you. What emotions are you dealing with? I have some good news for you. I prayed that prayer when I first sat under Jim’s teaching, and those feelings did not go away. But yesterday, and Jim knows this, I was involved in a three-car accident. And I got out, and it wasn’t my fault. I was stopped at a red light. I had nothing to do with it. One car hit the car behind me and the car behind me hit me. And the driver was a Jewish man from New York, a non-believer in the Messiah. And guess what? He said to me, “How can you be so peaceful after I just crashed into your new car?” And I said, “I’m glad you asked me.” And I was able to tell me why I was so peaceful. And he wanted a copy of my book, and he wanted to know more about the Messiah. And this is all going on because I didn’t react the way I used to. So thank you for that prayer.

JIM: Thank the Lord that it works.

SID: It does. You know what? I’m convinced that as these emotions come up in you and you start dealing with them and putting off, as Jim taught, and putting on you’re going to be freer and freer, and the words of God, the promises, they’re all going to come to pass in your life. That’s exciting. That’s something to be very excited about. I can’t wait for you to get free and be normal.

Sid:  My guest Michelle Perry; Michelle Perry was born with only one leg, with only one, kidney and she has done more with her three friends Father, Son and Holy Spirit than almost anyone I know with two legs and two kidneys. Because Jesus said, “I’m giving you the nation of Sudan.”  Now, Michelle Something that I know you’re in constant pain because of the rods in your back and you don’t have a big bank rolling what you’re doing; you’re depending entirely on God.  You’ve got, what did you tell me 77 children that were orphans in the Sudan; you got a nation filled with orphans you want to bring, your heart is so big you want to bring everyone of them in.  You got a lot to be grateful for, but you’ve got a lot that we here in America say “I’m glad it’s Michelle and not me doing it.”

Michelle:  (Laughing)

Sid: What would you tell someone that’s been listening to us all week that’s feeling sorry for themselves. Maybe things aren’t going the way they pictured the way the movie said that things were supposed to be and they’re feeling sorry for themselves, what would you say to them?

Michelle:  I would say “Open up your heart and let Jesus love you pass the point of your pain.”  And it’s easy to get your eyes focused, you know on yourself instead of on Him. I know when I find myself looking to me and not to Him, it’s very easy to; it’s very easy to feel sorry, it’s very easy to you know oh, my gosh you know this is wrong and that’s wrong and this isn’t going right.  And then it’s just of the utmost importance to be able to fix our eyes on Jesus, I just ask Him to show Himself to you in a new way because He’s more committed to you being focused on Him t than you are, and He loves you and He is in no way absent; He is not forgotten you He has not turned a blind eye or a deaf ear to the things that are hurting, or a problem in your life; it’s to the contrary even more present; even more present; even more present than you can even begin to imagine. So just ask Him to show Himself to you He will, He will.

Sid:  You know I’m reminded just before you moved to Africa you were in your apartment and all of a sudden you heard music, tell me about that.

Michelle:  Well, I was in my apartment, I was packing actually getting ready to move to Africa, and as I was working on some things in my office I began to hear this beautiful almost ethereal  kind of strings and I’m thinking, “Did I leave soaking music on in my CD?”  And I went out and said, “No, it’s not coming from there and it’s not coming from the other room and where’s it coming from?” So I walked out into the living room area and it grew stronger and stronger and I walked into a wall of God’s presence and oh this is supernatural, this isn’t coming from my radio.  And I just began to pray and I laid down on the floor on my face and just began to pray and it was like I was surrounded with hundred’s and thousands of little children and it was overwhelming and they were all calling me “Momma, Momma, Momma, Momma,” and I’m going “Oh my gosh God what do I do?”  And into this, into this crowd of children Jesus walked and He said, “Beloved, Father wants you,” and all of a sudden I was instantly seated on the Father’s lap.  And I didn’t see His face, but I looked and I looked straight through His chest and into His heart and His heart was this pulsating fiery mass of liquid love that was just pulsating like plasma.  And before I knew quite what was happening I was drawn into His heart.  And in His heart there was like there was no beginning or end there was no tomorrow, there was no yesterday, there was no up there was no down there was only now, there was only the present and in His presence.  And Jesus walked up to me in the heart of God and He took His hand and He trust some of the substance of Father’s heart into mine and He said, “Now you carry this heart, you carry this heart into the darkness, you carry My heart.” And all of a sudden I was back in this encounter with all of these children and they were still calling me “Momma,” but I wasn’t overwhelmed and it was like I had seen His heart and His heart was inside of me and it began to burn brighter and brighter until these flames began to leap out and ignite the children.  And they turned and they ran into the darkness as a movement and they were singing “The Song of the Lamb” and they were dancing to the sound and the song that I just heard in the Father’s heart in heaven and it just undid me, undid me.

Sid:  Describe one of your children to me, one.

Michelle:  Okay, Awesa.  Awesa is two and half, and she thinks she runs the house, she does at times, she’s incredibly prophetic, she and her three sisters and one younger and two older watched her mother commit suicide in front of her, hung herself in the toqul, their mother did.  And when they came those girls came to us they were traumatized, the two youngest ones where demonized, there was a lot of witchcraft in the family though the family line and when I first got Awesa and I would try to hold her she would arch her back and she would scream like she was being tormented. When we have our nightly worship she would writhe on the ground, I mean completely demonized.  I thought “God what do I do?”  He said, “Just love her, bless her, hole her, love her, bless her, hold her, love her; I said, “Okay.”  Well over a course of week she got free, and now she’s like my shadow there and she follows me everywhere and she still has quite an attitude at times and she’s a strong willed child, but she’s a leader and she’s a dreamer.  And as I said, “She prophetic” she came up to me before I came back for this trip and as I said “The Lord’s been speaking to me a lot eating of His presence and so she comes up to me in worship and she’s got her little plastic spoon and she’s like spooning something in the air and sticking it in my mouth; I don’t know where it was and I don’t want to know where it had been.  But she’s spooning something and sticking it in my mouth and she goes Momma, “Ocalu, Ocalu” it mean eat in our language. “Momma, Ocalu Yesua “Eat Jesus.”  Out of a mouth of a two and half year old that once was an orphan and is now a daughter.

Sid:  Paint me a picture of what you want to see in this village that you’re building.

Michelle:  Well, we want to see about fifty small family homes that will hold ten children like a cabin and a Momma.  And we want to see children that have been orphaned and truly have no other options they don’t have extended family they can go stay with; they would wind up on the streets, they are the worst case scenarios if you will; be brought into a community and be brought into families.  Because God says “He sets the lonely in families,” so we’re a family.

Sid:  Now many of our listeners feel they want to give some money to your project so what we’re going to do is we’re going to make your brochure available…I would like you to pray for those that are listening that have more of the heart of Jesus, more of the compassion of Jesus.

Michelle:  Daddy I want to thank you for every single life that is listening right now Jesus right now Jesus, and I ask you to invade their present now, their place where they’re at with you presence God that you would wrap them up in your arms and you would cause them to come, to come so close to you where all they can see is Your face and Your eyes.  God I just ask that the heart and the love that you have been so gracious to give to me and this journey that you have led me on and this last ten years. God that you would cause many, many many in your bride to rise up and to step into that place God and to receive more of Your heart.  I thank You for opening hearts God to receive open heaven over their lives Jesus.  I thank You for those that are coming, I thank You for those that have Your heart give them more of who You are Jesus.  Give them more of Your fire, more of Your presence, more of You Holy Spirit come and show them who You are and let them never be the same.  (Laughing) let them never  be the same, God I pray for Your perfect love that drives out all fear Jesus and I ask that You would give them eyes to see, eyes to see the one person that You set in front of them today to love.  God that You would stretch their hearts to be able to contain more of Yours God.  I love You Jesus and I just want to bless those that have listen, those that are listening with Your presence and with just the realm of the supernatural of Your love God that You draw them into that place and they’d never ever be the same.

Sid:  One last thought.

Michelle:  Fall in love, (Laughing) fall in love with Jesus and let Him love you past the point of all return.

Sid:  Is there anything that this earth offers that’s a close second?

Michelle:  (Laughing) No!  (Laughing) Not a bit. (Laughing)

Sid:  We want everyone everywhere to be ready for the Messiah.  As most of you know I relocated the ministry to Charlotte, North Carolina. After I got here, just a few days after I got here, I have a cousin that is Jewish and not a believer in Jesus, comes from a strong Jewish background and I called her up and I said, “I’m in Charlotte.”  She said, “Well, Sid you might be interested in going to a wonderful debate between a conservative Jewish Rabbi and a Christian minister on the differences of the Jewish view of Messiah and the Christian view of Messiah.  I said, “That’s sounds wonderful.”  And I went to the debate and I have to tell you I could not believe my ears, I could not believe what the Jewish man had to say.  This rabbi, a Conservative rabbi, says he doesn’t believe that the book of Genesis is inspired by God.  Now if you take the book of Genesis and throw it out of the Bible then by the way I didn’t even think of what he thought about the rest of the Bible, but if the foundation of the Torah is thrown away what have you got in Judaism?  So I knew there was problem…and I knew that he’s Conservative, now if he’s reformed I could understand, but he’s a Conservative Rabbi.  Although I just recently in the paper and my guest by the way this week is Dr. Michael Brown who is also a Jewish believer in the Messiah.  He’s a Semitic language scholar; he has a PhD in near eastern languages and literature from New York University. And Mike I read in the papers that the Conservative Association has decided that homosexuals can now be Rabbis.

Michael:  They’ve done this in Israel actually, a Conservative is much closer to Reform these days.

Sid:  You know I don’t in my mind, I can’t…I still and my mind goes tilt when I hear a Conservative Rabbi say that a homosexual can be a Rabbi and be ordained, and that the Torah or the book of Genesis in particular isn’t even from God.  I mean what is Judaism anymore?

Michael:  You see once we set ourselves up as the ones who decide what’s inspired and isn’t and well this is outdated or outmoded or needs to be reinterpreted then we become the authorities and God is no longer the authority and who know where things will go next?

Sid:  Well, then so I listened to the Rabbi and my only conclusion inside not out loud was Oy Vey which loosely translated into English is Oy Vey.  That works the best.

Michael:  That works.

Sid:  That works too, and then the Christian minister gets up and he says “You know I love the Rabbi and the Rabbi’s me, and the only we’ll really know for sure who the Messiah is when He returns.  If it turns out to be the Jew Jesus than we’ll all be a one happy family.  And I think Oy Vey, which loosely translated means Oy Vey. What happens to the Jewish people who die before the Messiah returns?  So it’s sort of like a famous Rabbi I think you may know him, this famous rabbi said if a blind man leads another blind man won’t they both fall into the ditch.  The Christians was blind and the Jewish Rabbi was blind. I got so upset over this that when I found out about your new book, Dr. Michael Brown, I couldn’t wait  to orchestrate a debate between you and a Rabbi that’s probably considered one of the most well know Rabbis in the world.  He name is Rabbi Shmuley Boteach. He’s got a TV Show on the Learning Channel, it’s called Shalom in the Home, and what would happen if I had a real Messiah Jewish scholar and a real Rabbi debate who is Jesus?

Michael:  Yeah the thing that’s interesting, Rabbi Shmuley Boteach and I have known each other for about ten years.  We’ve had many debates and in the process of time have actually become really good friends, close friends and he wrote a book, came out earlier this year called “Kosher Jesus.”  And in his book he said, “Look we Jews need to reclaim Jesus, he was a great Rabbi.”

Sid:  I’ll tell you what, stop for one second, I want to hear what he said in his own words at the debate, let’s hear what Rabbi Shmuley Boteach thinks about Jesus.

Rabbi Shmuley Boteach debate excerpt:  Well, let me elaborate Jesus was a Jew. He was born a Jew, He lived as a Jew and He died as a Jew.  In fact He was killed for being a Jew. His religion that He practices throughout His life was Judaism; He kept the Sabbath.

Sid:  Okay, that was Rabbi Shmuley Boteach on who he thinks Jesus is, so Mike Brown came out with a book, after Rabbi Boteach came out with his, called “The Real Kosher Jesus.” Boteach’s  book is “Kosher Jesus” Mike’s book is “The Real Kosher Jesus.”  How do differ from Rabbi Boteach; Oy Vey and Oy Vey loosely means Oy Vey.  What a loaded question.

Michael:  See here’s the deal, I was really pleased that Shmuley wrote a book saying that Jews need to recover Jesus.  Yes, He was a great Jew, yes He was a great Torah teacher, yes He was called Rabbi there was not a formal title at that time, but the title of honor and respect Rabbi, my Master, My teacher.  We agree on that, we agree that much of His teaching has it’s roots in the Hebrew scriptures, and that He Himself lived a Torah observance life.  We agree on that but the most import fundamental things are the things that Shmuley misses.  He feels that Jesus died fighting against the Romans that He was a Freedom Fighter trying to lead a rebellion against the Romans believing for miraculous intervention to overthrow Rome.  I say the exact opposite, He came as a lamb, He didn’t come to launch a violent rebellion; we have seen what happens when religion gets violent that was not His purpose.  His purpose was to come and die as an atoning sacrifice to overcome evil with good to overcome hatred with love.  Not to establish a brand new religion called Christianity but to fulfill the promises to Moses and the prophets.  If you miss him as being the Messiah then you don’t understand why we’re still talking about Him 2,000 years later. There are plenty of famous Jewish Rabbis, there were plenty of Jewish Freedom Fighters.  We’re not talking about them around the world today, but we’re talking about this Rabbi Yeshua.  And here’s the most interesting thing Sid; Shmuley sent me the manuscript last year and said “Mike can you write an endorsement for it.”  And so I really thought “How can I write the endorsement on it, I differ with his main thesis, he attacks me in the book, but graciously he has fun very respectfully.”  But how can so I thought about it and I thought here’s what I’m going to do; I’m going to say while I passionately disagree with this this, this and this I’m so pleased to see an Orthodox Rabbi reclaiming Jesus, this is a fellow Jew and a Fellow Rabbi and you can call the book America’s Most Famous Rabbi Meets the Most Famous Rabbi of All Time,” and he used that endorsement.  Well in late January the book is scheduled to come out in Israel and then it’s going to come out in the United States.  As soon as word gets out about the book controversy starts rolling, Rabbis, Ultra Orthodox Rabbis’ don’t read the book, one ultra-Orthodox Rabbi puts out a band, no Jews are allowed to read this book.  Shmuley says that “I should split the royalty check after that publicity I’m going to get.” Well, any way January 18^th, a Wednesday night, I’m reading about the controversies, this books about to be released, and I get this tremendous burden in prayer that I’m suppose to say something, I’m suppose to speak into the midst of this.  I wake up the next morning it’s all over me, write your own book; write a book that will answer his and will be the most unique contribution to Jewish ministry, Jewish outreach that you’ve ever written and the most eye opening book for Christians you have ever written.

Sid:  Yeah, but I’m going to go a step further, when you read your book Mike, a Christian will now read the gospels and the book of Acts in a totally different light.  Most Christians read the New Testament, but they don’t understand the intricacies of the tensions that were going on between Paul and the Rabbis; between Jesus and the Rabbis.

Michael:  And this will put it in a context when they read a lot of Paul’s writings it’s going to open up to them.  So I get this burden write the book and get it out now.  And now here’s the funny thing Sid, I had the manuscript for months, suddenly out of the blue write this book, get it out now.  Well, through supernatural grace to write, I mean forcing myself to go to sleep at 5:00 in the morning, through supernatural work with the publisher.  From the day that I went to write the book to the day that the book came out and was in my hand was less than two and a half months.  Never experienced something like this so the “The Real Kosher Jesus” answers Shmuley; shows where he went wrong in some of his thinking and then takes the reader on a journey.   The subtitle is “Revealing the Mysteries of the Hidden Messiah.” We take the reader on a journey and unfold who Jesus the Yeshua really is.  Goes through some church history, how His real image has been obscured, and then ask the question, “Okay, is there a Kosher Jesus but un-kosher Christianity?  Did Paul change everything?”  We set the record straight and then open up the secrets, the secret of the hidden invisible God who can be seen and take the reader on this journey.

Sid:  You even deal with writings from famous Jewish people, from Jewish writings that are accepted by every Rabbi that really show that Jesus is the Messiah.

Michael:  Yeah, there’s the second chapter of the book I go through how more and more Jews are reclaiming Jesus.  I mean famous amazing statements from Einstein, from Martin Buber, from famous professors from Hebrew University, from Oxford University.  And they weren’t believers but they are like amazed with Jesus Yeshua is.

Sid:  Mike I have ask you a question and I don’t get this, but I want to know your spin; #1 I have observed the two of you together, there is a genuine affection, genuine which is hard to believe an Orthodox Jewish Rabbi, and a Messianic Jewish scholar; a genuine affection both ways not just one way.  Now how does he read your book?  How does he have a debate with you, multiple debates with you and not have a degree of doubt maybe orthodoxy is wrong maybe Jesus is my Messiah.  How can he do that?  I don’t get it?

Michael:  Well, let’s pray and hope that he does have doubts; I mean the fact is…

Sid:    But he puts the front up, if he does he doesn’t show it.

Michael:  Right and if he does I don’t know it either to be totally fair to him.  But here’s what I hope, I deal with…

Sid:  I’m sorry we’ll pick up here on tomorrow’s broadcast.

Sid:  The atmosphere in this studio, I’m speaking to Ryan Wyatt, the atmosphere has changed it’s a healing, it’s a miracle atmosphere.  I believe that anything Ryan or I speak out loud is going to happen.  For instance I heard that there are people with back problems if you will bend over you’ll see that you have no pain in your bank.  People with pains in your neck, if you’ll move your head you’ll see that there’s no pain in your neck.  There are people that can’t hear and I command the spirits of deafness to leave in Yeshua’s name right now, and I say hear in Jesus name; spirits of deafness you must leave now.  And Ryan tell me about, you’ve had many visitations from angels.  I have felt angels presence, I have been touched by angels primarily, tell me about one of your encounters with an angel.

Ryan:  I had an encounter with an angelic being and you know that are doubting things like this go back to the word of God and look at how many times God used His angels to release messages to his people and even to minister to Jesus Himself the angels would come.  So this is a common New Testament encounter for us today.  On this particular day an angel came to me, I was in my basement praying, and an angel came to me in a vision form and he had an open book in his hand.  And he was speaking to me Sid and it sounded all garbled, speaking like I should understand but it sounded like bleebleelbleep. I looked to the angel and I said, “I don’t understand.”  And the angel looked at me, and he said kind of with this look like you should understand and suddenly he blew on the book and the substance of this book, it was like a heavenly book I inhaled this substance, and suddenly something popped within me, and suddenly understanding took place, and I understood the angel and he said this to me.  He said, “There is coming an unprecedented release in this hour of an understanding of the language and the mysteries and the ways of heaven for those that would position themselves to understand it.”  And that is so true in this hour there is something taking place in the church, and many out there have been preached the gospel you know one day Jesus will come and take them to heaven.  But we’re in an hour where Jesus said to me said, “Ryan before I come for my church I will first come to them and through them to impact the world.”  There is what I would call a civil war coming to what we call the church Sid; this is just moving on me here.  It says in Ezekiel 44 there’s two kinds of priests, the one kind of priest the Lord come to them. He says, “Because your heart has drawn away from me and you’re not following after my path anymore.”  He says a scary thing Sid, he says “I’ll allow you to continue ministering.”  I’ll allow you to continue ministering in other words I’ll allow you to stay in the pulpit, I’ll allow your church to keep functioning,” but He said, “Because you are leading my people astray you will not come near my holy things.”  But then He speaks to the Zadok priesthood and you know we’re the priesthood today Sid, and He spoke to the Zadok priesthood and He said, “Because your heart has drawn near to Me, because you’re passionate about me I will allow you access into my most holy place and I will allow you to touch My most holy things.”  And He goes on to say, He said “And through you oh Zadok priesthood the world will once again discern the difference between the holy and the profane; and like in the days of Eli where the word of the Lord was rare and there was no wide spread revelation God raised up a Samuel.”  And there is a remnant within the organization that we call the church right now, there is a remnant that is the real body of Jesus Christ.  And they’re beginning to step into a place of intimacy and encounter with God.  And the ways and the mysteries of heaven are beginning to take place.  You know the key in Jesus life of moving in miracles is He simply said this He said, “I simply say what my Father is saying, and I simply do what I see my Father doing in heaven.”  Jesus was speaking to Nicodemus and he said “Nicodemus, oh teacher of the day, He said, even though I’m right here in front of you I’m also the Son of man who is in heaven.”   And there is coming a revelation in this day and this hours that every born again believer is a dual dimensional being.  Yes you’re a human being living in realm, but you are also a spiritual being with access to the heavenly realms right now in Jesus name, you are seated with Christ in heavenly places.  And for those of you listening, I believe right now that as I’m sharing this, just like that angel blew on that book from heaven there is a blowing, there is a wind that’s coming through this radio right now, there is a wind that’s coming through the airways, there is awakening that’s hitting your spirit.  There is an awakening that’s hitting your mind and you’re beginning to come into an understanding that you’re called to do more than just be a good Christian and have good character, as good as though things are.  You are called to be experience the supernatural living God daily like fresh manna from heaven.  And you’re called to have the goods of heaven, the miracle working power of Jesus Christ to give to every single person you come into contact with.

Sid:  Ryan tell me about the two month period of time where wherever you went people could not stand.

Ryan:  The glory of God came upon me Sid for two and half months I would go into restaurants, and they’d have to carry me out of restaurant after restaurant after restaurant.  There was a tangible glory that when I would walk into places people would begin to fall out under the power of God.  I would wake up in the morning and just say “Jesus and go into hours of day of encounters, and this was like an initiation act where God imitated me into the glory of God.  And just saturated me in this lifestyle of the supernatural, and that’s what it is Sid; it’s available for every single person every day.

Sid: You had a vision of gray ash, tell me about that.

Ryan:  Yeah, believers covered in the things of the world in the wilderness of the world, I saw people roaming around in the wilderness of this world, but suddenly they began to see a light going through a wall, going through a big stone wall.  And there was a little tiny doorway in this vision.  And you have to understand those of you who are listening things in the prophetic realm are often come in parables.  You know Jesus spoke in word pictures and vision pictures so the people could vision what was going on.  He told stories and so when you see visions they come in parables like this, and there was this little tiny door beckoning me into this place of light, but you know to get through that door Sid I had to get down on my knees.  And the Lord spoke to me and He said, “For those that are wanting to enter into my presence it’s time to humble yourself.”  Some of you listening you may be a theologian, you may be a Biblical scholar you know, but Jesus said in John 5 He said, “You search the scriptures for in them you think is eternal life, but it’s these very things that lead to Me but you are not willing to come to me.  There are some people that can quote the scripture back and forth, but we should be letting the word of God become a doorway into experiencing the living word, Jesus Christ Himself.  And as I began to get down on my knees and humble myself and hunger for God and I passed through that doorway I stepped into a realm of heavenly light where all the ash of the world began to come off.  And some of you that are listening you are born again, you have Jesus Christ living in you, but you have the ash of the word covering you and you have oppression and you have depression, but there is a light within you that is beckoning you, it’s the Holy Spirit, and He’s waiting for you to humble yourself and say “God I must have more of You, Amen.”

Sid:  And that’s the prayer of my heart and that’s the prayer of everyone that’s listening to us right now. Ryan what is God showing you right now?

Ryan:  Yeah, I see the creative realm coming right now, there are some of you that are listening to the radio right now and you need new organs in your body.  There are some of you have, your bone on bone in your knees, and you need new cartilage in your knees.  And there are some of you you have crippled limbs, and you have parts of your body where the cartilage is just gone, you have severe pain. Right now I speak to the creative atmosphere of heaven, that creative cloud of heaven coming right now, I speak new cart ledge between your joints in the name of Jesus.  I speak the formation of new eyeballs right now, of new eardrums, new organs coming into your body.  Some of you in fact I see right now there are people that are on the books you are scheduled for surgery to have work on your organs for transplants, and right now I just decree in the name of Jesus you’re not going to need the surgery you need to go get your body checked out because there are new organs being created right now in Jesus Christ name.

Sid:  Now my guest, I’ve been looking forward to interviewing for a while, his name is Rob DeLuca. He is from New Zealand, Senior Pastor of His Way Church in Auckland, New Zealand.  And the reason I’ve been looking forward to interviewing him is that I have a pet question that I ask people that are being used mightily by God.  I’m very disappointed in a number of the prophets because I look in the old covenant and I see people wouldn’t say thus sayeth the Lord unless it really was God because they’d end up being stoned and today prophecy is cheap, the words fall to the ground.  So I said, “Who do you know, who’s the top prophet you know?”  Well, he a prophet from New Zealand, his name is Rob DeLuca and that’s why, well I made it a point of meeting Rob and inviting him to be a guest.  Now Rob could you tell me the circumstances of the prophecy of the Lakeland, Revival?

Rob:  I had a vision from the Lord and I saw four nations being touched.  The vision was of a boomerang and…

Sid:  So you get the boomerang in Australia, now that fits.

Rob:  That’s right and I saw it touch the nation of England, Australia, New Zealand and America.  So I saw this boomerang and I saw it come to America, but it had a little bit more accuracy to it and it flew straight into Florida.  And I saw it hit the city of Lakeland. The Holy Spirit said, “What took place with Pensacola and the Pensacola revival; what took place with Rodney Howard Brown in the awakening in the ‘90s is about to take place.”  And the Lord showed me that it was going to go from thousands to tens of thousands, to hundreds of thousands.  And I saw a nail spike over the state of Florida, and I saw the Hand of God come out of the heavens and hit the spike into the ground of Florida.  And as I saw that I saw a scroll out from the spike and there was one sentence on the scroll and it said “The Kingdom of God has now come.”  I saw news media, I saw journalists, I saw television broadcasts in the news witnessing this revival, witnessing the miracles and I saw journalists dumbfounded awestruck by the presence of God and the testimony of the miracles that were taking place.  It was pretty intense and it was accurate because 3 ½ weeks later it started to take place.

Sid:  Rob let me take you back a bit, at 11 you were saved and unfortunately as is happening to many young people they get saved and even in Christian homes you drifted into the culture of the day.  And at 18 you hit bottom, explain.

Rob:  Well, when I was 11 I accepted Jesus Christ in my heart, I was filled with the Holy Spirit, but I had no root in the word of God.  And we were just coming out of Catholicism and the charismatic movement was taking place in the 70’s. I even had prophet’s prophecy over me when I was young that God was going to use me to be a preacher and that I was going to minister to the masses.  But as time went by in my teenage years I started doing drugs and I got mixed up with a wrong crowd by the time I was 18 I ended up homeless in a cardboard box.

Sid:  You know you read about things like that, you don’t think it happens, that was probably the last thing in the world you thought would ever happen to you.

Rob:  I never ever imaged that that would take place.  I lived in a cardboard box in an ally in the streets of Los Angeles.

Sid:  But there was an occasion where a woman walked up to you and started talking to you and sharing the gospel, tell me about that.

Rob:  There was a woman named Barbara Martin. My friend and I were standing on a street corner, we were waiting to get some drugs and she walked up to us and she started sharing about the love of Jesus Christ. She told me how I was feeling in my heart and that I had sin in my heart and I knew that because of my experience when I was a young boy.  And she asked me “Did I want to give my heart totally over to Jesus?”  And as she prayed for me she asked me to say the sinner’s prayer and ask Jesus to come into my heart once again afresh and I did.  And then she laid her hands on my head and the presence of God came all over me and I started almost to fall back and I knew that day that I totally surrendered to the Lord.

Sid:  You know one of the things I see a lot of the people that are touched by God are then going out on the street and doing the same things that caused you to become a believer.  I have to believe that it’s hard for someone to walk away from having an experiential thing happen to them, verses something they can’t say I remember when the power of God came on me.

Rob:  Well, our God is a God of experience, our God is a God that you can feel, or God is a God that can touch us.  And that’s what took place, it was more than just a prayer it was the Lord touching me by the power of the Holy Spirit and that’s what caused me to really want more of Him, more of that experience in His presence.

Sid:  You know I’m reminded of the scripture says, “This is eternal life, that you might know Him.”  But somehow the gospel in America anyway is that you might believe in Him, not know Him.  There’s a lot of people I believe in, but I don’t know them; the whole objective is to know Jesus.

Rob:  Well, if we know Jesus then we’re going to know the Jesus of the gospels. When Jesus walked into a town or when He walked into a home He carried supernatural power.  And people experienced the witness of that supernatural power all around them whether it was a person being healed or a person being forgiven of their sins and weeping and crying and being cleansed; or if it was just watching that type of encounter with the Lord they saw something that was supernatural.

Sid:  You know Rob when I first met you, and I decided I was going to interview you, I said “What teaching do you have that’s important to get into the hands of those that are listening as a tool to mentor them?”  And you told me a couple teachings, but the one you really wanted people to get is the one on “Breaking the Power of Covetousness” which has to do with prosperity.  And I have to tell you it turned me off, why because I have seen such an unbalance in what is called the gospel of property where it’s really based on wrong motives and wrong desires and so I actually backed off, not completely because I’m a giver, but I’ve backed off because I’ve seen the excess.  And after listening to your message I was actually backing off more than I should have in over reaction to what I see on television.  What did God tell you about this particular message, “Breaking the Power of Covetousness?”

Rob:  Well, when God gave me this message I felt like it was a word for the entire world, the Lord showed me that this message would go throughout the nations and it would set people free from wrong motives in the prosperity message.  You see I really believe that God wants to bless us. The Bible says that He is the God of blessing but our desires must be pure concerning blessing, concerning prosperity.  The Holy Spirit showed me that many people have made prosperity, or the prosperity message to be all, end all and they think that is the great harvest, or that is the end of what we call Christianity, but it isn’t.  It’s a means to the end; you see, God will bless us for a reason, but the means to the end or the end of the result of being blessed is to be a blessing to the world, to see souls saved, and to see the kingdom of God you know established throughout the nation.

Sid:  Now God wants us to prosper. What does prosperity mean to you?

Rob:  Prosperity to me personally is being able to have all your needs met, and also have more than enough to be able to be a blessing to others.  Now the definition of prosperity verses say a person that’s going to work and has a wife and kids and they’re saying “You know what?”  We have our house, God’s blessed us and you know what we want to be a blessing to the mission field.  I can see that as prosperity, but then there’s others you know you can be a businessman and say you know what I’m believing for millions of dollars so I can build churches and take care of orphans and do all the work of kingdom and take care of widows and what have you.  You know that’s prosperity too so really it’s defined depending upon where you’re at in your life.

Sid:  You know what I think is amazing that as wrapped up as you are in revival which is really seven days a week, 24-7 you still are a businessman.  How in the world do you juggle both?

Rob:  By the grace of God. You know in New Zealand I owned three restaurants and also I have two coffee houses and a coffee roasting business, and that has enabled me to be a volunteer at our church.

Sid:   I’ll tell you what we’re out of time.

Sid:  We want everywhere to be a friend of God. My guest has written a book that helps people become a friend of God, it’s called “God’s Supernatural Power.” My guest is Bobby Connor who has just a marvelous gift of prophecy.  Bobby you said on yesterday’s broadcast you knew when attempt was made on your life of an abortion in your mother’s womb.  But what was the first time that you can recall hearing God’s audible voice?

Bobby:  Okay Sid, the first time I can really recall was when I was five years old my brother and sister had gone to public school and this was my first time to be by myself without a sibling.   And we’re in East Texas so I walk down behind my mother’s house which seems like a mile or so, but really it’s probably it’s two three hundred yards and I’m a little bitty blond headed five year kid, I walk down to this grove of trees and I lay down on my stomach and I’m laying on the grass and I put my hands on my face and my hands and I said out of my mouth. “Well, I guess I’ll have to be by myself.”  And when I said that a wind came, a wonderful wind came and got whirling around in the top of the tree above my head and a voice spoke to me out of the wind and said, “No Bobby, you’ll never be by yourself, see.”  And when this voice said, “See” the heavens, the sky rolled back just like you’d roll a scroll back and I saw what I thought was horses running back and forth across heaven with their mane and their tails on fire.  What it was, was angels but I’m a little boy from Texas so it looked like flaming horses.  And so I though everybody saw that so when I got around some little kids, my little friends I said, “Man I could see into the sky and they laughed at me and mocked me.”  So I thought I’ll never tell anybody that I could see into the sky.  But that was my first to ever have the voice of God speak to me where I knew that it was a supernatural thing.

Sid:  Well, you explained on yesterday’s broadcast how you went from a double barrel shot gun in your mouth to wanting to commit suicide to giving your heart to God.  But did many prophetic things happen to you over the years where you just knew things about people and you kept it to yourself?

Bobby:  Yes, before I was converted, I believe I got the gift when I was in my Momma’s womb, and then even when I was growing up I could tell if the telephone was going to ring and I could tell if my mother was going to drop a set of dishes or if somebody was going to walk into the room and what kind of conversation they were going to have.  And I thought that everybody was that way and then when I got converted the only friends I had were Baptist friends, and so when I finally told some of them they go “Oh no that’s not right.”  So then I tried to shun the gift and wouldn’t let it operate and then finally the Lord spoke to me and said, “Bobby I’ve got more power to direct you than the devil does to deceive you.”  So then I started letting the Holy Spirit do whatever He wanted to do.

Sid:  That’s amazing you were able to bust out of that box because I mean you’re taught theology these gifts aren’t for today and yet the gifts are operating.  Tell me the most significant thing one of the first most significant things were when you were able to use these gifts without being intimidated?

Bobby:  Okay, I’ll tell you a very this is one of the times the gift worked that was very beneficial for me.  Like I told you yesterday’s broadcast my father passed away, I never knew him and so my mother was in a very hard time and so one time a voice came to me and said, “Don’t get on that pony.”  Just a very strong voice, so I said, “What pony?”  And the voice said again, “Don’t get on that pony.”  So my brother was one year older than myself so I tell my brother, “Don’t get on that pony.”  And he said, “What pony, I said “I don’t know but just don’t get on that pony.”  And then this the strange thing my uncle came, my mother fixed our little clothes up and me and my mother and my brother and our little sack and clothes get into the car with our uncle and we drive for hours outside of Athens, Texas to up around Amarillo somewhere there.  And we pull into a long driveway, drive down to like a ranch house and so help me a woman walks up with a little bitty Shetland pony and two cowboy hats and she says, little boys get on the pony.  And I started screaming, “We’re not getting on that pony, we scooted over in the backseat and started screaming and crying and my mother started crying and said, “I can’t do it.”  But here’s what the deal was Sid, that was an orphan’s home and that’s how they would take the children away from the parents they would bring them to the car and let the little boys ride off on the pony and then the parents would drive off.  Isn’t that something?

Sid:  That is amazing.  Now I have to tell you something Bobby, I evaluate prophets on the accuracy of their prophecy.  Does the prophecy come to past and many times I’m disappointed, and many times I see the genuine gift.  I wonder if you could tell me a few prophecies that you have had that have come to pass.

Bobby:  Okay, yeah.  One was concerning George W. Bush becoming president of the United States. I got caught up into way up into heaven and I saw a light flashing and finally to make a long story short I asked the Lord, I said, “What do you want,” He said, I want George W. Bush to run for President and if the church will pray and really extend they’re intercessory prayer I’ll speak again to the nation again through a burning bush.”  And then He said, “Go to Washington, D.C. and prophecy this.  This was before George W. Bush chose to run for President and so that came to pass.  And then I…

Sid:  I have to ask you, now that you’re saying that, has God given you any insight into this current election?

Bobby:  Well, I’ll tell you what the Lord; to me the Lord’s been very silent concerning this coming election.  I’ll tell you, a couple of years ago since you’ve asked the question; a couple of years ago the Lord came to me and said of me, “Who do you want to be President?”  And I didn’t understand the severity of it, so I quick back at him and told him who I didn’t want to be President.  And then He rebuked me and said, “That is not the question that you were asked.”  And then so humbly I asked Him, “Who do you want to be President?”  And here’s what He told me, the only thing that I can genuinely say the Lord told me concerning this coming election is this.  He said, “If the church will pray, I will sustain the nation through dark days through a brown bag; it will be as the lad’s loaves and fishes,” that’s what He said.  Then He said, “Don’t tell anybody,” so I kept that for oh about a year and a half and then He said, “Now you can tell.”  I told then, Lou Engle and some other guys got the prophecy, but that’s the only thing…

Sid:  What does that prophecy mean?

Bobby:  I honestly don’t know, all I know was remember when Mike Huckleby, the guy’s asked him once, “How can you explain getting as far as you got with the least about of money that you’ve got and the least amount of support?”  He said, “The only way I can describe it is it’s like the lad’s loaves and fishes.”  So he used the very same terminology the Lord gave me, I don’t know but then I don’t have anything else from the Lord concerning it, but I know that it’s very important that the church pray and we get the right person in there.

Sid:  Are we going through some treacherous dark times in this country?

Bobby:  Very dark, the Bible said, “Watchman, watchman what do you see?”  And the watchman replied, “I see both things, light and night.”

Sid:  That’s my perception also, we’re going to have the best times in the world for true believer, and the worst times in the world for the world.

Bobby:  Yes, that’s exactly right; it’s Isaiah 60:1, “It’s time to rise and shine for our light has come, darkness is come across the people but the world’s light and glory will be upon His people.”

Sid:  Now I’m holding your new book “God’s Supernatural Power.” I’m very, very excited about what’s going to happen when people read this.  What type of feedback, it is a new book but what type of feedback are you getting on this book?

Bobby:  I’m getting a lot of good response. The number one response we get is that it is encouraging to people to realize that they have a destiny that they are not just some kind of a biological birth, that God preplanned their life and that He’s got a wonderful destiny for them.  And we try to show them who they are.  The first chapter deals with the identity crisis.  Heaven and hell both are posing the exact same question to every person on earth.  Heaven God, hell the devil.  They’re asking the very same question; they’re synchronized on what they’re asking the people and here it is. “Who do you think you are?”  And see what the Bible says “What the person thinks, so they are going to live.”  And so we need our opinion about ourself changed; God has confidence in this generation, or he’d never let us live in this crucial hours.  One of my favorite verses Sid right now is Philippians 2:13.  “It is God that works in you both to will and to do of His good pleasure.”  And boy can you imagine the creature doing something that would bring the creator good pleasure.  So I found out what that is, it’s Luke 12:32, “It’s your Father’s good pleasure to give you the kingdom.”  So that’s what the book deals with.

Sid:  And you know what I catch from your book though?  It’s time to get out of the audience and become a performer rather than a spectator.

Bobby:  That right, you know He says “The kingdom of God doesn’t come just with talk but with action.”  So that’s what we’ve got to do, I love what the Lord told me once, He said, “Tell My people that they’re about to believe what they know.”  It’s going to move from the head to the heart to the hands.”  It’s going to move from head knowledge to real heart faith and then actually become doers of the Word and not just hearers only.

Sid:  And a book of this nature is so important at this moment because I believe God’s up to something new, I believe in the atmosphere.  Whereas the things you prayed and you didn’t see results you’re going to be crying now, assuming you haven’t given up, and you’re going to start seeing results.

Bobby:  We are in a time of God’s favor, 2^nd Corinthians 6: 1 & 2.  We’re in a time of God’s help and God’s favor that Paul said, “It’s the acceptable time, it’s a time of God’s favor, a time when God will help us.” I’m very excited to see the day that we’re in.  I believe we’re in Hosea 10:12.  That verse said, “It is time to seek the Lord until He comes and reigns righteousness upon us.”

Sid:  You mention an intriguing thing in your book, “That the Lord is looking for friends.”  What do you mean by that?

Bobby:  Oh, I love John 15:15 He said, “I don’t call you a servant any longer I call you a friend.”  And friend’s really communicate with one another, and I believe it is probably one of the highest accolade that we could receive being called a friend of the Lord.