Sid Roth

Sid: My guest is red hot for the Messiah, her name is Elisabeth Syre she’s from South Africa. I’ve caught up with her where she’s speaking in Leesburg, Virginia. She moves in extraordinary prophecy and words of knowledge. The thing that intrigues me so much about you Elisabeth is that you were raised in Holland during the holocaust. Your father was one of these people that loved the Jewish people and wanted to help them, but that was pretty life threatening to the rest of your family. What happened to your family?

Elisabeth: My family at that time lived in Holland and my family was not aware of my father’s underground movement for the Jewish people. He was busy in getting 23 little children saved in the city of Hengelo, Holland. He was doing that because he was working in the town hall and he had all the names on file. He let many names disappear from the files so that they couldn’t find any Jewish names the moment the Germans occupied the town hall. Then he found the homes of these children and actually made sure that they were not being stolen by the Germans so to say, but they were in state homes. He brought them one by one into Christian homes.

Sid: Now was your father’s life ever threatened? Was he ever captured by the Nazis?

Elisabeth: Yes he was captured by the Nazis. In his office he was the personal manager in his office with his assistant as they took over all the offices and all the government buildings. They took him and brought him into the death train. Every Friday the death train was leaving the station…

Sid: Now why was it called the death train?

Elisabeth: Because people never came back.

Sid: Hmm.

Elisabeth: They never came back. They were put onto the train and people that had dark hair and that had dark eyes… they took people from the street and said you “You look Jewish you have to go into the train.” So it was on the Friday we were not allowed to walk outside because especially on Friday they were picking up people at random and brought them into that train.

Sid: Now where was the train heading?

Elisabeth: The train was heading I believe to Dachau in Germany.

Sid: That was one of the worst of Hitler’s concentration camps.

Elisabeth: Yes.

Sid: So… Your father had a one way ticket to death. They arrested him and put him on the train?

Elisabeth: They put him on the train, the train was packed with people…

Sid: But he wasn’t Jewish, why did they do that?

Elisabeth: He had a Jewish name and my mother had a Jewish name. They did it because he had an influential position and all people in this position in Holland they took them first, and they took the Jewish people as well. They were just trying to overtake every situation in Holland.

Sid: So what happened to your dad?

Elisabeth: After he was in train he spoke to his assistant and said “Well I don’t know what you’re going to do but I’m going to leave this train. I hear the soldiers are fastening the windows and we are in one of the last carriers. So when they are fastening the windows this is the time to jump on the other side out of the window. I’ll help you. We’ll try to escape just come with me I’ll help you too.” The assistant stayed in the train and he died and he never came back, but my father jumped out of the train and did hide himself…

Sid: Now I would think that would be pretty life threatening to jump out of a moving train?

Elisabeth: It wasn’t moving it was stationary…

Sid: Oh!

Elisabeth: …for a couple of hours till they had enough people to take Dachau.

Sid: How come no one saw him when he jumped out?

Elisabeth: Because he was sitting in the corner and his carrier was in the back… was one of the last carriers and it was very dark. It came became more gradually darker and darker and there was no light in the station. So in that particular carrier he just jumped out and out of the window and stayed under the wheels of the train. Just before 12:00 you know the heels of the soldiers clicked past the window again but they didn’t see him under the train. The train drove off and my father was still on the rails.

Sid: There had to be a destiny for his life and for your life for that matter. So your father escaped and then what happened?

Elisabeth: When he escaped he actually in the middle of the night you are not allowed to walk on the street before 7:00 in the morning. He actually walked through all the little backyards of these little towns, town of Hengelo. Then he crossed the street to the house where we lived in the city. Then he actually climbed onto the balcony. We had a double-story house and the light in the room of my mother was still on. She was praying with the Bible open and had cried herself to sleep because dad hadn’t come home. The window… the curtain was slightly opened, he knocked on the window and said “Quickly open the door.” At that point my mother opened the door and he said to her “I’ve just been… I’m here but we have to leave they will look for me everywhere; we have to go into hiding.” Then we all packed our clothes and dad said “Well let’s take all our belongings and everything that’s important. Just go immediately. I’ll walk in front of you.” So my brother and my sister at the time because I was a baby in the prim, my mother pushed a prim with all the belongings, I was buried under the belongings. My father walked a 100 meters ahead of us and at every corner he waited if we would see him then he would turn left, right, left, right through the little town of Hengelo till we came onto the main artery road to another city and he walked and walked and walked. Then he found this little farm, we call it a small holding in English, it’s a small farm. He knew the owner of this farmer, he was a Baptist believer. He said “Brother will you take us in our lives are in danger.” This man was open arms received us and put us up for a couple of years in his little farm. We had hardly anything to eat because everything was so… at least on the farm there was something growing there. We had something but I remember as a baby they couldn’t feed me but we were living… I was living under the ground for a couple of months, maybe for a year I don’t know how long.

Sid: So Elisabeth how did you eventually get out of this predicament?

Elisabeth: In 1945 I was a toddler at that time. The American soldiers came to Holland to rescue Holland from Germany. My father was overwhelmed with joy because he had made it through the war and we went back to our old house in the city. Soldiers came to our house, the believing soldiers and we celebrated many many evenings in song and in singing hymns together. All of my family were very very musical so there was always food for everyone. For the first time in my life after all these years of depreciation we actually got real butter and I remember the taste of real butter. Then they put me onto a table and it had long flats, little flats on the side. They were teaching me the song “You are My Sunshine My Only Sunshine,” I still remember it.

Sid: Okay well let’s jump forward now. You’re in England, you’re being educated there…

Elisabeth: Yes.

Sid: …but you weren’t really a believer in Jesus. I mean coming from such a Godly heritage, how come you weren’t?

Elisabeth: Well I was a nominal believer. I was a duty believer, I believed when that when you go to church that everything is okay. I went regularly to church with my father and with my family, but I didn’t really here the gospel in the type of congregation that I went. When I came to England I realized that “Wow! Is it really true that Jesus is the Messiah, or Yeshua is the Messiah?” I asked Him and so I got involved with a whole group of students, they had quiet times. They talked to Him as if He really was in the room and I was very impressed by that. Then the one day I said “Lord if you’re really alive show me.” When I went home to my little apartment on Bakers Street that I was sharing with some students. You know in the door I the saw the whole like a flash of lightning, I saw the whole outline of Yeshua He was standing in that door with His hands outstretched and I saw the nail prints in His hands. I was just so touched it was as if the Lord said “You see I’m really alive. You see I’m really alive.” By that point I said “Lord I now know that you are Yeshua that you are the Lord of lords and the King of kings, and I trust you.” Then I became freer and freer and I started to talk to the Lord. In the quiet time I started to grow, read books, go to the Bible studies and I started to grow and grow, and I even went to Bible school. So I grew all the time in the Spirit, but I then I realized that you can’t just be a nice Christian out of duty you have to give your heart to the Lord. When Corrie Ten Boom came back into our life after she came back from the concentration camp, do you know she told me all about the Holy Spirit. She said it is the second battery in your life. The first battery is salvation, the second battery is empowering with the Holy Spirit.

Sid: Alright I want to find out about what happened when she laid hands on you and prayed, but we’re out of time today.

Sid: My guest by way of telephone I’m speaking to him at his home in Key Largo, Florida is RT Kendall. RT is the former Senior Minister of West Chapel in London, England. He is a PhD graduate of Oxford University. And He has a new book that’s shaking a lot of people up and I believe that if there’s every been a time to get this area right in your life is just before what I believe is the greatest outpouring of God’s Spirit in the history of planet earth, don’t miss out on your destiny. The name of the book “Total Forgiveness” subtitle “When Everything in You Wants to Hold a Grudge Point a Finger and Remember the Pain God Wants You to Lay it All Aside.” RT on yesterday’s broadcast we were talking about what is total forgiveness, would you pick up there where we left off?

RT: Well it doesn’t mean closing our eyes to those that will continue to harm others Sid. Total forgive is when you pray for them and you want them to be blessed but the proof that you have total forgiven begins with a refusal to tell what they did. Take for example Joseph here was a man who was betrayed by his brothers, sold to Ishmaelites and then that was really Plan B they were going to kill him. Well it wasn’t a very nice thing that they did and Joseph had to forgive them. Now when those brothers sold Joseph to the Ismaelites they never thought they’d see him again. Little did they know that 22 years later when they go to Egypt they have to face the Prime Minister of Egypt that is none other than their brother Joseph they don’t know it at first but later they find out that it’s a new Joseph. Joseph had longed for the day that he could look at those brothers and say “Gotcha!” But now he has them before him and instead of saying “Gotcha” he’s a new man, he’s a changed man. And the first thing he does Sid is to say “Everybody out of the room.” Now why did he have everybody leave the room? It’s because he’s going to persuade his brothers to get their father Jacob to come and live in Egypt in the land of Goshen. The reason he had everybody leave the room except his brothers is so that nobody in Egypt would ever know what they did to him. Joseph wants his brothers to come and live in Egypt and he wanted the Egyptians to admire his brothers. Joseph knew that he himself was a hero he wanted his brothers to be heroes and so he makes sure that nobody in Egypt would ever find out because he knows that if they find out in Egypt what they did you know they’re going to hate those brothers and Joseph doesn’t want his brothers to be hated.

Sid: If Joseph hadn’t at some point along the way forgiven his brothers do you think he would have rose to the royalty he did?

RT: Very good point Sid. Don’t believe he would have it’s my view that God just waited till Joseph totally forgave before he could be trusted with such a lofty position.

Sid: And Mishpochah did you get that point. Maybe you you’ve been saying “God I feel like I’ve been on a treadmill how come you’re not moving me up? How come you’re not promoting me, how come the gifts are not flowing the way you promised me that they’re going to flow and maybe…

RT: You are exactly right.

Sid: And maybe God’s waiting on you.

RT: Do you remember the dreams Joseph had about his brothers? Yeah he wasn’t very wise to tell those dreams he said “You know I had this dream “Moon, eleven stars were bowing down to me.” Now there wasn’t anything wrong with Joseph’s gift because it was functioning he had a definite prophetic gift when it came to dreams. But there was a lot wrong with Joseph and Joseph always knew that one day those brothers were going to come to him. But what he didn’t know is that God wasn’t going to let it happen until Joseph was right in his heart towards them. And I think there are a lot of people Sid that have been given call it prophetic words, words of knowledge, promise maybe the Lord Himself has promised someone one day I’m going to use you.” And they keep asking Him “How long, how long, how long?

Sid: And God’s saying the same thing “How long, how long, how long are you going to wait to walk in un-forgiveness? (Laughing.)

RT: That’s exactly the point, that’s exactly the point. So Joseph could not be trusted with such authority and power if he were still bitter. And so when God doesn’t exalt us as soon as we would like it’s at least that God’s doing us a favor because we couldn’t be trusted with that kind of power.

Sid: You know many times I’ve said…I’ve even said this publically when I first started in ministry had I had the platform I have right now I believe that I would have fallen big time.

RT: Hm hm exactly.

Sid: So God’s got a lot of wisdom there (Laughing.)

RT: Well He was doing Joseph an enormous favor and He’s done me a favor by well my predecessor at Westminster Chapel was a man by the name of Dr. Martin Lloyd Jones. And he used to say to me “The worst thing that can happen to a man is to succeed before he’s ready.” And so that the principals here once Joseph had totally forgiven those brothers “God says Joseph I think now you’re ready,” and that’s and you’re exactly right Sid and that’s what God was doing here.

Sid: Well you’re just exploding so many thoughts but let’s go back to what is total forgiveness.

RT: What do you think I should say what it isn’t?

Sid: Please.

RT: Okay.

Sid: That’s one way to understand.

RT: It is not approval of what they did, you see God never approved of our sin He hates sin and so Jesus forgave the woman found in adultery but it didn’t approve of what she did He told her leave your life of sin. And so when we forgive it doesn’t mean we approve what they did nor does it mean that we excuse what they did. We got to forgive people but it doesn’t mean we excuse them, or it doesn’t mean we justify what they did. So nor does it mean that we pardon what they did. Back to the lady who was raped by a person from a Middle Eastern country. She didn’t pardon him but she certainly forgave him in her heart. And another very important point I think that we already touched on this I think it was maybe on the program yesterday forgiveness is not necessarily reconciliation there not always the same thing. You see reconciliation requires the participation of two people the person you forgive may not want to see you or talk to you or they may have passed away since the time of the offense. Not only that Sid you may not want to maintain a close relationship with the person you forgive. So the main thing is you’ve got to forgive them but it doesn’t mean necessarily reconciliation.

Sid: You know a lot of people beat themselves down because they think it means those other things.

RT: Yeah I know I call it pseudo-guilt, living in guilt but the main thing is that we forgive them. And I ought to add one other thing total forgiveness is not denying what they did sometimes people will live in denial and say “Well I can’t believe those people really did that to me.” It’s not blindness to what they did the truth is you’ve got to say “They did do that, what they did was not very nice.”

Sid: And it’s also not very justifying saying “Oh well they had a bad father that taught them to act that way it’s not excusing what they did.”

RT: And I’ll add something else “A lot of times people say to forgive is to forget.” That’s not true you see we say forgive and forget but the truth is we can’t forget we know what they did.” But what we do mean by that is that we don’t bring it up, we don’t keep pointing the finger, you can’t deny what they did. And so that’s the important thing you don’t live in denial and pretend, you’re forgiving when you know good and well what they did was not right, it was wicked, it was evil but you forgive them because God has forgiven us and we’re to pass that on.

Sid: And you say when you discuss this in your book “What Total Forgiveness is Not.” You talk about people it’s not pretending we’re not hurt, so what do we do with our hurts?

RT: Well God let David know how grieved he was over his sin of adultery and so God did not pretend not to be hurt. And David a man after God’s own heart was still the object of God’s being ruthlessly impartial with David. So Jesus was hurt when he was struck in the face by a priest official, he said “Why did you strike me?” So he didn’t pretend that he wasn’t hurt we are hurt but we don’t want to make the other person feel guilty and when we have totally forgiven we will set them free from any kind of guilt.

Sid: And you know what I do in my own life is I don’t look for that other person to heal my hurt I go to God and I say “Father I’m hurting.”

RT: Right.

Sid: I need Your love, You’re the only one that can give me the love any way.

RT: Hm.

Sid: Well what is total forgiveness now we know what it’s not.

RT: Okay it’s refusing to say what they did to make them look bad, another thing you won’t let the people be afraid of you. Joseph as soon as he revealed who he was those brothers were terrified and he looked at them probably in tears and he says “Come close to me, come close to me.” He didn’t want them to be afraid but you see if you have hurt me and I haven’t forgiven you I’m going to want you to be afraid of me. And had Joseph not forgiven those brothers the moment he saw how scared they were he could have said “Gotcha good I’m glad to see how you feel I’ve waited for this moment!” But instead he says “Come close to me he was just wanting to feel love from the, he wanted them to feel loved.”

Sid: Mishpochah time is slipping away and I want to leave you with one thought to ponder until we come back tomorrow. Unforgiveness keeps you from loving again, think about that.

Sid: I wish you were at our Days of Elijah Celebration which we had in St. Simon’s Island, Georgia recently we’ve been playing excerpts from the celebration all this week. In a moment we’ll go right back to Dr. Michael Brown on his message. But let me read from one of our Mishpochah that wrote in he says “I believe that we were all anointed to participate in the last days harvest; Lord help us to take the message to those around us.” I pray that I’ll never forget what I experienced there in Georgia now I know what is possible for the church on earth. And when you sit on the anointing on this video there is going to be a change in your destiny. Let’s go to Dr. Michael Brown.

Dr. Michael Brown: Why is it that in one city that we are commanded to pray for in Psalm 122 and Isaiah 62? Why? I’m sure that Jesus wept over many cities but scripture only tells us that He wept over one Luke 19 He wept over Jerusalem? Why? Why does Zachariah 2 does God speak of Jerusalem as the Apple of His eye? Why that city? Why all nations coming up against it? Why so much controversy over it right now in our day? You want proof that the Bible is the word of God, the Bibles true? Just as where it says about Jerusalem and look at what’s happening in the world! How in the right did it get it right? See it all comes back to Jerusalem, there is one city to which Jesus said He would return.

There are promises in scripture that tell us that the Jewish people endure as long as the sun, moon and stars and if the devil can wipe out the Jews he makes God into a liar. But it goes beyond that you see Yeshua said in Matthew 23 “He will not come back to the earth, He will not come back to Jerusalem until His own people welcome Him. But if you know the Hebrew words “Until Jerusalem says ‘Baruch Haba b’Shem Adonai (Blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord.)’” From Psalm 118 those are the words by which the Messianic King was welcomed. He said “You will not see me again until you see again until you welcome Me.” And Israel if Jerusalem will not see Him again until they welcome Him nobody will see Him. Because when He comes every eye will see Him. Do you understand that the return of Yeshua to set up His Kingdom on the earth and to put His feet down on the Mount of Olives in Jerusalem according to Zechariah 14. Do you know what’s dependent on His own people welcoming Him back? He hears the prayers of His Body all around the world from many nations saying “Even so come Lord Jesus” and He’s saying “I won’t come until My own people welcome Me back.” And when He comes back that’s the end that’s the casting of Satan into the bottomless pit; that’s the destruction of the wicked on the earth; that’s the setting up of the Kingdom of God on the earth; that’s the Resurrection of the righteous it’s over! And that’s why it’s so hotly opposed. That’s why the devil fights with all of his might it’s the ultimate battle the Battle over Jerusalem.

9/11 was a battle over Jerusalem do you understand that? All of the shaking in the media and anti-Israel bias around the world it’s a battle over Jerusalem because it’s a battle where Satan is holding on with his last minute stake. Because when Israel gets it right it’s over.

Now here’s the good news, anyone ready to hear some good news. Here’s the good news if it was written again in verse 11 in Romans 11 Paul said “I asked if they stumble beyond recovery? Not at all (those that were hung up in church buildings all around the world, not at all.) Yeah rather because of their transgressions the Gentiles to make Israel envious.”

You know I once heard a quote from a teacher that had a bit of a wrong emphasis on property and over emphasis and he said “Look we Gentile Christians have to make the Jews envious so we’re going to have to earn more money than them.” Forget it, forget it that’s not what God’s talking about. What a carnal approach, no he’s talking about when Israel sees what you have, what we have genuine presence of God, power of God mercy and forgiveness, clean conscience. When Israel see the redeemed people enjoying the covenant blessing of Messiah that belong to them they’ll become envious.

Now look at this but if they’re transgression means riches for the world and their loss means riches for the Gentiles how much greater riches will their fullness bring? I’m talking to Gentiles as much as I’m an Apostle to the Gentiles I make much of my ministry in the hope that I may somehow arouse my own people to envy and save some of them. For if their rejection is the reconciliation of the world what will their acceptance be but life from the dead!

Go to the end at verse 25 “Israel has experienced a hardening of the heart until the full number of the Gentiles has come in and so all Israel will be saved! And as it is written a deliver will come from Zion He will turn godliness away from Jacob and this is My covenant when I take away their sins.”

We have gotten so far from understanding how Jewish the gospel is and how of all peoples on the earth it was tailor-made for the Jew. We’ve gone so far from that that this week the Bishops of the Catholic Church working together with Rabbis came out with a formal statement now that it is wrong for the Catholic Church to seek to evangelize Jews they have their own covenant with God. Saying of all people the ones that the Messiah came for they’re the ones that don’t need Him.

But here’s the good news that when we read this I don’t think that we take hold of what’s written; you know what Paul’s saying? Verse 12 again “If their transgression means riches for the world then there loss means riches for the Gentiles how much greater riches will their fullness bring?” Paul’s saying “All of you are saved, all of you have your sins forgiven, every former immoral person drug addict, alcoholic, lost sinner, religious hypocrite, atheist, terrorist, communist, Hindu, Buddhist, criminal, prostitute all around the world. He’s saying all of you who have come to know the Messiah, all of you who have had your sins forgiven, all of you who have received new life, all of you that have been healed, all of you who have been delivered he said “This has happened because Israel got things wrong.” What happens when Israel gets things right?

Listen to what he’s saying verse 15 “If their rejection is the reconciliation of the world.” Listen there are over a billion people on the planet who know the Messiah who are worshipping the God of Israel today because Israel got things wrong. If their rejection is the reconciliation of the world what will they’re acceptance be but life from the dead.

I’d like to picture it like this it’s a simple little illustration but it works. Years, centuries in the future the streets of heaven it’s a big Texas Evangelist talking to a Jewish believer even though he’s in heaven he still has glasses just for the illustration. Texas evangelist still has a cowboy hat and boots and a little pride just for the illustration. He comes up to this Jewish guy and “what’s your name son “My name is Irving Goldstein sir.” You know who I am? No Sir I really don’t know. Brian Bosnec I preached face to face to over ½ million people I’ve seen 50,000 people saved, in fact over a 5 year period and I saw 5 people come out of their wheelchairs. What’s you done son? “Well I really haven’t done anything big or famous I was just involved in reaching the Jewish people with the gospel, I saw the Jewish people turn back to God call on the Messiah and He came back and all of the righteous people got out of their graves.” (Crowd Laughter!)

I want you to take hold of this “Life from the dead.” This is the big one you want to ministry of raising the dead see Israel saved everybody that’s righteous get out of their graves. This is the big one! But look God is doing something, God is doing something. The church that I got saved in you know what I meant when always in Olney was a little Italian Pentecostal Church with 100 people when I got saved. Do you know what I was met with everywhere they love Israel, they loved the Jews it was just in them because they were saved.

Some years ago we were having a conference in Pensacola and some people were visiting our school of ministry here and they were getting a tour of the different offices and the different campuses and stuff and somehow they just came through my office. I had this office with this big library, I didn’t know that they were coming through my office and these tour groups. I was sitting there on my desk and doing my work and one woman came in crying, crying and crying. “You’re the first Jew I’ve ever met I’ve always loved Jewish people and you’re the first Jew I ever met.” And she’s about 30 – 40 years old. “I’ve always loved the Jewish people and you’re the first Jew. And I said “Where you from?” She said “Louisiana.” Well, that figures I can understand that (Laughter). And I said “You really want to be blessed go to the next office my Assistant Scott he’s a Jew too and I said “Then go down one more office and my wife Nancy she’s Jew too. “Oh” she walks into Scotts office crying and crying. “I’m a Louisiana redneck I can’t explain it but the day I got saved I had this great love for Jews.” I’ve seen it around the world.

Just as supernatural as 9/11 was. How could it happen and yet it happened. My wife lost her brother in it. Some of you may have lost loved ones it seems impossible it happened. As supernatural and diabolical as the world of anti-Semitism as the Holocaust was, as the crusades were, and all of these other things.   As impossible as it all seemed it happened. I tell you it will be more impossible more amazing and more incredible what God does. If that’s the power of evil, if that’s Satan’s best shot what’s God’s best shot look like. Israel shall be saved! Israel shall be saved, Israel shall be saved, Israel shall be saved!

Sid: The Jew needs a Christian, the Christian needs the Jew. Israel shall be saved in the greatest revival in history among Gentiles is about ready to happen.

Sid: I’ll tell you something if you’ve been listening all this week you are at the boiling point, and I mean in a good way. I have on the telephone Rick Taylor, I’m speaking to him at the healing room which is located in Santa Maria Valley, California where’s there’s literally been an outbreak of the miraculous almost everyone with cancer going there is being healed, every other disease that you can think of. The thing that is so exciting to me is that greater miracles are even happening. What is a greater miracle than someone with given 2 weeks to live from cancer and being instantly healed? I’ll tell you what’s greater than that, the forever miracle where you have intimacy with God in this life and that same intimacy just gets better and better when you slip out of your earth suit. Rick you’re having people from other religions come into the healing room. Why would people from other religions come there?

Rick: People are desperate when it comes to healing they’ll try anything. When they try the doctors, they try their god and they don’t get healed they hear the stories about the success that we are having they have to try it out. Twice now we’ve had Buddhists come in, there god could not heal them but they came to our God, and as they come into the room the team begins to pray for them in the name of Jesus. A power of God comes on these guys and the Lord heals them, and because of that they want to know who this Jesus is. So the team will just say “Well…” they’ll explain to them who Jesus is and they’ll ask them “Would you like to know this Jesus? Would you like to receive Him as your Lord and as your savior?” Both times they said “Yes” because of the miracle because of the healing they had to know this person Jesus who just healed them. Their god could not, but our God did and because of that they converted and they gave their life to Jesus. It’s such an amazing thing.

Sid: Tell me about the Jewish woman that came in.

Rick: We had a Jewish woman that came up, drove up from Santa Barbara which is about an hour drive. She came with 2 Christians, they were explaining to her “If you go I know the Lord will heal you.” Now on the way up this Jewish woman was telling her friends “You know I’m going to convert” and her friends, her Christian friends, said “You know what we don’t want to ask you to convert just go get some prayer.” The woman gets into the room and as the team is praying for her this amazing love as they’re praying the name of Jesus comes all over this woman. She could not deny the love and the presence of Jesus, and Jesus heals her. Then after they were finished praying she goes “You know what I’ve got to know this person Jesus. I need to receive Him as…”

Sid: Now what was wrong her physically?

Rick: You know what we have so many people get healed I can’t remember what her problem was. All I know is God completely healed her, I’d have to research that. But because of the miracle, and because of the love that she felt she had to know this person, she had to know Jesus her Messiah.

Sid: Rick I’m feeling the presence of God in a very strong way as you talk about His love. What you have is, it’s His compassion that is the key to releasing the miraculous. Would you tell a few people about how Jesus heals today and then pray for them very quickly?

Rick: I believe that Jesus so loves us that not only does He want to save us but He wants to heal us. I believe that the provision for healing came through the cross and the atonement, not only on the cross did we receive a divine Savior but a divine healer. It’s all about love, it’s all about love that God sent His best His Son Jesus Christ. In 1^st John 3:8 it says “The reason the Son of God appeared was to destroy the works of the devil.” Sickness, disease, poverty, depression, all these things are the works of the devil. Jesus came through the power of love to set us free from all of those things. It’s all about love, He loves you so much. I just want to pray right now, Lord anyone hearing this right now that need’s Your love, the touch of Your awesome love that brings about healing. You know this is really not faith healing this is divine healing it’s all about the love of Jesus Christ. I just release His divine presence on every person that’s hearing the sound of my voice right now. Every cancer goes in Jesus name, every pain goes, every terminal disease goes in Jesus name. The Lord Jesus’ love is released over the airwaves and every person that is hearing this message I release His love it’s all about love.

Sid: Tell me about some people that are healed of arthritis especially… I mean arthritis is so painful the compassion of the Lord must really come out when you see someone with arthritis.

Rick: You know it really does. The Lord is so good and we’ve seen quite a few people healed of arthritis. You know a lot of times when the Lord’s love comes on people as we’re praying for them, He just gently begins to remind them of things that He’ll surface memories of people in the past that they may not have forgiven, or a certain bitterness that they are holding against a person. A lot of times when you hold those inside Sid it begins to work on our physical body and into our bones. The Lord is never upset at us, He’s never trying to discipline us it’s not His will that we have this. So as He gently through His love reminds us those things that we have not yet released we just give those to the Lord. We say “Lord I forgot about this please forgive me for holding this, this anger or this bitterness, or this unforgiveness that’s been so pinned up inside of me for all of these years. I give it to you now.” A lot of times right as they do that, and that’s the key unlocks their healing and the arthritis just goes away. It’s so amazing.

Sid: Well let’s pray right now. If there… Holy Spirit quicken to Your people, anyone, that they need to forgive and we know it’s not a feeling we know it’s an act of our love for You because You forgave us before we deserved it, and we’re to forgive other people before they deserve it. So Holy Spirit quicken to us people we need to forgive and as someone is quickened to you say “I choose to forgive…” and state their name. “I choose to forgive.” All of us have been hurt, not like Yeshua was hurt, all of us have been misunderstood, not like Jesus was misunderstood. Rick I believe if you’ll pray for people now they’ll be set free of arthritis and then go for the big “C” cancer, the little “c” cancer.

Rick: I just want to say this that first of all the name of Jesus is above every name. It’s above the name of cancer, it’s above the name of arthritis, see at the name every other name has to bow. So right now Jesus we just speak Your name over every disease, over cancer, and over arthritis I break your power I break your hold of every person that suffers arthritis right now. Be free in Jesus name Jesus set you free. I command every symptom to go, every stiffness to go, all pain to go and Lord just begin to lubricate joints right now. Joints are… just begin to move, begin to move what you could not move before. Begin to start doing things you could not do before. Bend over begin to move your arms and legs, right now the Lord is lubricating and loosening and setting you free right now in the name of Jesus. I break the power and the spirit of cancer, I command a spirit of cancer to leave every person that’s hearing my voice right now in the glorious name of Jesus Christ be set free. I command every rebellious cancer cell to die and every person that’s hearing me. I break the assignment that evil one had over you and I release God’s plan to give you life, abundant life I release life to you now. I speak healing to you right now. Receive it it’s so free, it’s so powerful just receive His love, receive His healing right now in Jesus name, amen.

Sid: There’s a flow, there’s a flow of God’s Spirit it’s like a river and it’s flowing right out of your radio, right out of your tape recorder, right into your inner most being. Where ever that river goes there is healing. I tell you there is a river that is being released in Yeshua’s name right now, and there is someone that has pain in their back. You back is being straightened out, I tell you the vertebrae are being replaced it’s so wonderful it’s going up to the neck and into the head, but especially in the back and the neck… I mean pains of any kind headaches, migraines… Rick I just believe that in your healing room they smell perfume. I believe there are people smelling… what is the perfume like in your healing room?

Rick: It smells like roses, and that’s the fragrance of the Lord His presence. I just release that, everywhere we go people smell that even when we go overseas people begin to smell the roses. I release the roses the presences and the fragrance of the Lord right now into every person’s room that is listening to us. In the cars the people that are listening to us right now, let the roses of the Lord just appear.

Sid: How would you like this anointing just to go on and on right in your home?

Sid: Hello Sid Roth here with Rick Renner and I hope you’re enjoying this discussion as much as I am Rick what does it mean when God tells us to put on His full armor?

Rick: Well the word put on describes a clothing. The real key is when it says “The whole armor of God” it describes the armor which comes from God Himself. And you are clothed with the armor of God as long as you are walking in relationship with God. This is not just sitting down and pretending you’re putting on a helmet or putting on a breastplate I mean going through all of those motions may mentally help you but that’s not going to clothe you. But when you are walking with God there is a power which flows continuously that clothes you in this whole armor. You step away from your whole relationship with the Lord and you will not be clothed. But as long as you’re walking in relationship with God there is armor that protects you.

Sid: But you mentioned some armor that I don’t recall it being in the New Testament how did you get it; you talk about the long lance?

Rick: Oh the lance of prayer and supplication that in Ephesians chapter 6 verse 18. You know there were a specific number of pieces of the spiritual weaponry and the lance had to be there. And so I found it Sid and I write about it in a whole chapter about the lance of prayer and intercession that’s a great chapter in this book.

Sid: Well the whole book is so wonderful as a matter of fact how do you I mean I know that you study Greek but I have a lot of friends that have studied Greek but the way that you break it down it’s like reading the Bible all over again.

Rick: Well thank you I just believe it’s a gift which God gave me and it’s my place and it’s what God’s given me to do.

Sid: Well I mean I just got stuck on the chapter talking about the “Be strong in the Lord and the power of His might and when you broke those Greek words down I mean it just opens this vistas to people but I believe that what Rick put on the cover of this book is exactly what’s going to happen to you “You don’t have to take it anymore because you are dressed to kill, not the devil you are dressed to kill and stop the devil right in his tracks in your life, your family’s life, your friends life. And the pictures you don’t get this in a Bible. Paul got it I mean he was sitting a prison cell and he could look at those Roman soldiers that were there to guard him and he looked at each piece of the equipment of how they were dressed and described it. And when you read it in the book of Ephesians but then you see these so call it pictures it really has an impact.

Sid: My guest by way of telephone is as red hot as they come his name is Michael Champagne. I’m speaking to him from his home in Palisade, Colorado he was deeply involved in Satanism. Michael I must ask you this question, the devils not too happy the fact that you were reaching all of these people for him and now you’re a believer in Jesus and you’re reaching as many people as possible for Jesus. Are you fearful of the demonic?

Michael: Huh, no not even close.

Sid: Why?

Michael: I just…

Sid: I mean the demonic… there is power in the demonic why aren’t you fearful?

Michael: It’s not even a wading pool to the power I’ve experienced being a servant in God’s court there’s no comparison.

Sid: So why are most Christians afraid of the devil?

Michael: Because they’ve never experienced the truth of God’s power.

Sid: I’ll tell you something there are people that need to hear this. You told my producer that you have a goal and your goal is to reach as many people as you can for the Lord but in a very untraditional way. I mean you want to reach people through the supernatural demonstration of God’s power that’s not the way it’s done in most churches today Michael.

Michael: Nope.

Sid: So tell me what… give me an example of the power of God tell me one people that you reached using the power of God.

Michael: This was about I was in Durango a couple of years ago and I was sitting there and…

Sid: What’s Durango?

Michael: It’s another town in Colorado.

Sid: Okay.

Michael: It’s a heavy witchcraft town. I’m sitting there and I’m walking around doing outreach with some friends of mine and there’s these 2 kids at the park and this park is known for people that smoke pot and do rituals and stuff like that. So we go there and I walk up to this kid and I said “Do you believe in Jesus Christ?” And he was like “No.” He’s like “Do you believe in the devil?” “Yeah.” And I was like “Well that’s interesting.” Do you believe that you have a demon inside of you?” “Absolutely not” and I told him “Okay if I can cast that demon out of you with the power of God would you believe that Jesus Christ has sent me here as a messenger to tell you that the life that you’re living is not the life He has for you; that He is the only way to salvation.” He was like “I guess.”

Sid: Wait a second how did you know he had a demon?

Michael: I could see it in him.

Sid: Okay so there’s no guess work on your part go ahead.

Michael: (Laughing) And so you know I looked him dead in the eyes like I always do when I do deliverance on people and I said “In the name…

Sid: Excuse me why do you look them dead in the eyes?

Michael: Because the eyes are the windows to the soul if the eyes are light the body’s full of light.

Sid: Okay you’re looking them in their eye.

Michael: And I could see the demons start twisting inside of them and he knows what’s fixing to come and this kid doesn’t have a clue what’s going on. I said “In the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth I command every evil spirit in you to leave now!” And the kid starts like choking (Aa-ha) and he starts spitting out this like black bile out of his mouth and a second later he looks at me and he’s like terrified. And he’s like “Okay I want to accept Christ right now!”

Sid: Now most Christians would say “I believe that’s true but the person has to want to be set free I mean it sounds to me like you just went after that spirit you didn’t even care what he wanted.

Michael: The kid?

Sid: Yeah.

Michael: You know I’ve got a lot of criticism because of my technique but let me tell you something the drowning person…. you know if I’m in a life raft I’m not going to say “The life raft needs you you need to jump into the life raft because it really needs you drowning person.” No you look at that drowning person you then come up out of the water and say “You need this life raft!”

Sid: Michael you’re getting me excited give me another example of using the supernatural to reach people with the gospel.

Michael: There’s a time when I was speaking at a Presbyterian Church one of those really old ones and I had no idea I was going to do this all of a sudden I hear the voice of God say “Michael in 10 seconds I want you to call out My name and call down the fire of God.” This was a really stuffy Presbyterian Church too.

Sid: Listen you can be an unstuffy church and that would cause major excitement but go ahead.

Michael: And so I sat there and I said “Okay” in the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth I call down the holy fire from heaven.” And as soon as I said that 15 people got baptized in the Holy Spirit right there in this old stuffy church. And God picked like the stuffiest of this church to get baptized in the Holy Spirit.

Sid: Listen Michael you are provoking so many of our people myself included to jealousy. All of us are different stages in our walk with God; all of us are different understandings, but all of us know there’s so much more there’s so much more for you there’s so much more for anyone that is listening to us. So many of us are let’s say stuck in what we know and have been stuck there for a long time. How do we get unstuck? Am I making myself clear?

Michael: Yeah yeah I understand what you’re saying. That’s the hardest part I’m telling you you know moving in the supernatural is easy because you ain’t doing nothing. It’s just so angering but it’s that first initial surrender. It’s that “Okay God theres more to this than meets the eye I need to have everything I have everything You want for me, I want to move in all the gifts if You want for me here I am.” That’s the hard part and you have to strip away every preconceived mindset you know.

Sid: It’s much easier to start with a brand… I would imagine from your viewpoint it’s easier for you start with a brand new teenager that knows nothing than someone that’s God’s frozen chosen that’s been in the church for 50 years.

Michael: Yeah you know what it’s not teaching the frozen chosen it’s unteaching them that’s hard.

Sid: It’s like learning tennis if you learn how to play tennis wrong it’s hard to then learn it right or golf for that matter.

Michael: You know I come across these teenagers Sid that don’t even have a clue what the supernatural is and they’ll be moving in it fairly quickly because I have I teach them straight from the Bible and then I give them practical experience.

Sid: Do you find young people is easier to work with are you a little prejudice tell me the truth now Michael.

Michael: No I’m not I have taught young people and I have taught old people and…

Sid: Good!

Michael: And then in between young people have the easiest time letting go is what it is. Old people that are stuck in their ways and this is the way we’ve always done it and you know I’ve been a Christians for 40 years and what have you done in that 40 years? Sit in my church? Well then you ain’t really been a Christian have you?

Sid: Okay what… give me some suggestions just a couple suggestions of what someone can do to get from where they are to that next point.

Michael: The first thing I would suggest is that to go into your quiet time and ask God that’s what I did you know. I just said “God I want to be right where Your Shekina Fire is; I want to know You in a supernatural uniquely and unique way,” and He did it. And He did it. He wants us more than we know He wants it.

Sid: Now correct me if I’m wrong this is my opinion I can’t say a “Thus sayeth the Lord.” But I believe that we’re living in such an unusual time in which God wants to have mercy on every human on planet earth at this moment that I believe it’s going to be easier than ever in history for those that are red hot for Jesus to walk in the gifts of the Spirit.

Michael: That’s absolutely right I mean the Bible makes it very clear that the end times that they’ll be a last outpouring.

Sid: Now if like on tomorrow’s broadcast you were to pray for my Mishpochah to surrender and move in the Spirit. If someone really and truly wants to will your agreement in prayer make a difference for them?

Michael: I think it does because God has set aside Apostles, Prophets and Teachers, Pastors and Evangelist for equipping of the saints for the work of the ministry and that’s what I am I’m an equipper. I believe that my prayer and I’m not any favorite of God or anything but I believe that my prayer will help because I have walked where they’re wanting to walk.

Sid: Now you know most Christians are pretty much religious in their prayers and really don’t believe God’s going to answer them. How come God answers your prayers?

Michael: Because I believe.

Sid: It’s that simple?

Michael: Yeah it really is I mean that’s all that’s the only prerequisite God has for moving in His power and praying in power is belief believe that it’s already happened is what He’s said exactly and then it’ll be done for you. We have a hard time looking with eyes of faith because we don’t know what the eyes of faith are. Eyes of faith are if God tells you “You’re going to get a new car” you clean out your garage.

Sid: Alright what if someone has a physical disease right now and they’re praying to be healed. What should their eyes of faith be telling them?

Michael: Depending on the disease do something you haven’t done before. If you can’t walk real good or can’t walk at all in Jesus Christ’s name I command you to get up and be healed and walk.

Sid: It sounds too simple Michael.

Michael: That’s the way it is faith is simple.

Sid: Now let me ask you a question, had you seen the real power of God in that Baptist Church you never would have had a walk the side trip through the demonic?

Michael: Probably not.

Sid: So I would think one of the things that the devil fears the most is for Christians to act like Christians.

Michael: Oh yeah absolutely, absolutely he is just livid he hates it more than anything when a Christian gets off the pews, gets off the chair you know stops the Sunday morning ritual and really does what Jesus did.

Sid: Mishpochah consider yourself challenged. I’m speaking to Michael Champagne he’s a young man that is on fire for God and what your hearing you say “Oh it’s so wonderful.” But Michael I believe it’s called normal Christianity not abnormal you’re just normal but it’s so different than most people. I’ll tell you what I can’t wait for him to pray for you tomorrow….

Sid: Sid Roth here with Michelle Gold and Michelle I mean everything is going your way a top star and tragedy strikes what happened?

Michelle: Oh my gosh! I was at Manhattan School of Music studying opera and my… I was in this singing group actually and a band that played Bamitzahs and weddings. And it seemed like I was on top of the world making some good money too to support my college career; my voice just completely disappeared it was down to a whisper I was brought into the principal’s office and ashamed asked to remove myself from the school for the entire semester and to undergo voice therapy. Now they thought it was a nodule so I started spending thousands of dollars on voice therapy which was supposed to remove it. Between that time that that has happening also lost a friendship with a boy that I thought I was in love with and thought this is horrible I’m losing my relationships with my friends and my voice. I’m realizing my voice is like a god to me this is very unhealthy and dysfunctional.

Sid: Michelle loses her voice, she loses her god, her god was her voice. She’s doing these vocal lessons exercises she got into a 12 step program for people with an abusive background what happened?

Michelle: So my voice was completely gone and I was completely down and again thought of taking my life out of my hands and I had absolutely no purpose for my plan except that maybe I’d turn to God. So I found myself going to a 12 step program called Alanon. And at that program one of the steps is to find your higher power. I know who He is and it’s clear that the answer to all of your loneness and your emptiness and the answer to your purpose in life is finding your God. And I thought that’s it that’s what I’ve been trying to do all of this time maybe it’s Yeshua! And so I decided to read for myself, think for myself and go get a New Testament again. I think I found my New Testament actually it was my dirty garage somewhere hidden under the tool bench. My father had hidden it and Sid I actually found the Bible. Started reading for myself where it said “I’m the way, the truth and the life.” And it was so clear to me and I ended up in this Italian Pentecostal Church in Brooklyn New York.

Sid: And the next time you go to that church because you like this Youth Pastor Joe.

Michelle: Ah.

Sid: I know about that. The next time you go you find out about being baptized in the Holy Spirit what was that like for you?

Michelle: Wow! Well yeah at this one particular meeting this woman was praying in her prayer language and I began to shake and quiver it was the most beautiful experience of a lifetime. I was completely healed in a moment of all impurity Sid it was amazing nothing I had ever felt in my entire life with all the music that might have given me goose bumps there was nothing like it. I began to get the interpretation of is exactly what she saying and it was all about God healing me at that moment from my need to fill myself up with anything but Him. And He was going to satisfy me and you know like the Bible says in Psalms 145 that “He shall open His hand and satisfy the desire of every living thing.” I was completely healed on the spot of all of that pain and shame it was beautiful.

Sid: But the best part is they finally figure out what’s wrong with you that why you lost your voice because what you told me it started to deteriorating at a young age until gradually to the point you lost your voice. The found out at you had a cyst and I’m reminded of Julie Andrews the same type of thing happened to her she was never able to sing and she didn’t speak correctly again.

Michelle: Ah I know.

Sid: When she had…

Michelle: I just read a scripture about the woman who had the issue of blood and for years and years she waited for a healing. I was waiting for that healing I really was. I bumped into Joy Williams on the elevator at a gospel music convention actually and I had one minute to talk to her from floor 5 to floor 1 and I said “Joy what should I do I’m losing my voice?” And she said “You got to go to Dr. Cleveland or got to go to National Clinic at Vanderbilt they’re going to help you.” And that was it she got off and I went. They actually found out I was missed diagnosed that it was not a nodule that could be healed with therapy that it was actually a cyst that needed to be removed immediately.

Sid: Okay they remove the cyst but is there any danger with this surgery?

Michelle: Oh my gosh there is like you know people have lost their voice completely from the surgery there is no guarantee. In fact, I went to the studio and was able to share with a friend of mine and I said let me just sing a couple of licks because this could be it this could be end of my voice forever! And I remembering singing in that studio like maybe it was the last time that I was ever to sing. My dad used to warn me “Michelle your voice is so forceful all the time you’ll never going to sing on Broadway, or you’re never going to sing on tour how are you going to do it?” Even though he loved me and he believe in me he just didn’t want me to get my hopes up.

Sid: Okay your on fire for the Lord, your Spirit-filled you’re telling everyone that breathes about Yeshua you have this surgery.

Michelle: Oh my gosh.

Sid: And what happened? You found out that God preformed a miracle, not only was it successful what happened to your voice?

Michelle: Well I forgot to tell you that before every concert people used to gather around me and like 50 people and pray that my voice would come back for a concert to be able to sing and minister. And then after I got the platform it would be completely gone. (Laughing) So after the surgery it completely got 8 notes higher my voice therapist, an Israeli woman, a very beautiful woman, she was startled, she was amazed, she was stunned. She said Michelle I’ve never seen this we’re not going to voice therapy we’re going to do singing lessons, get your songs out. And I started getting out my songs and I get out “You Were There” and she sings “Michelle Jesus was not there at the beginning he was not there there.” And I’m like “Yes He was” you know. I started telling her in the lessons it was great we didn’t have to do any voice therapy at all it was completely healed.

Sid: Well I want to hear that range right now tell me about the song “Dying to be Heard.”

Michelle: Oh yeah “Dying to be Heard” is about the lost and the dying in society. My friend Elise Merritt our parents met in a pool complaining about us that we both believed in Jesus they’re Jewish girls and we both lived half way across the United States from each other. But they were complaining about us and they got us connected and we became best friends over email and we wrote this song together for her film. She is a… she makes beautiful Messianic films for the Lord. And we were able to write this song about the lost people in the Holocaust and the unborn believe it or not and the autistic. The unloved and uncared for in the society to give them a voice so this is what this is about. And you know for me personally Sid I was so dying to be heard before I found Yeshua; I’m no longer dying to be heard. The Lord died for me you know and I never felt so heard in my whole life.

Sid: Let’s hear “Dying to be Heard.”

Sid: My guest by way of telephone is Dave Roberson I’m speaking to him at his head quarters at Tulsa, Oklahoma. On yesterday’s broadcast we found out about the supernatural call that he received on his life for full time ministry. So he quits his job and he says “I’ll just put 8 hours in a day of prayer.” However you know he knew about praying in tongues but he didn’t know much about it and it’s pretty hard to occupy 8 hours praying 5 days a week. And so how did you transition to the point to where you were praying in tongues the whole 8 hours?

Dave: It was hard Sid not knowing what to do with myself after the visions I had that we talked about yesterday. I didn’t know what to do with myself so I thought well I’ll just report down to this 8 x 8 prayer closet down at the church. I just put in the same amount of time that I’d have worked at the mill. So I never will forget those first mornings that I reported in. I took a real holy stand you know I fell on my knees and I’m going to pray in tongues you know. Well at first the tongues that I ended up praying and I didn’t know the importance of it or anything. And the only way that I really knew how to pray was English so I’d pray and then I’d get over into English and it wasn’t 15 minutes that I exhausted every English prayer I could think of I was praying for missionaries, I was praying for counties, I was praying for anything our cupboards anything I could think of to be full and I was afraid. And anyway after running after running out of everything I could think of in English I’d switch over to praying in tongues. After a while you know I remember those guys teaching “You just can’t pray in tongues any time you want to.” That would flag me for awhile and I’m thinking what option I’m going to do? So I begin to pray in tongues and pray in tongues and it seemed like minutes turned into hours and I kept checking my watch and finally I’d remember I’d take and break at 10:00 at the mill and I’d be thinking that it’d be legal to take a 15 minute break at 10:00. So I’d hurry and I’d run off and have a cup of coffee because I had to be back and I’d start in again on my knees praying “Oh God remember the missionaries and it’d last 15 minutes again so just to survive the time I’d begin to pray in tongues again. Sid I had no idea what that was doing for me. I had no idea it was beginning to sequence it, it changed my life and 30 years later now.

Sid: Well, you just described yesterday what happened in Brazil would have never happened.

Dave: No.

Sid: If it wasn’t for that foundation that you put within yourself. Most people that accept praying in tongues is for today they don’t have a clue what they’re accomplishing. Tell me in your book you have so many insights in this arena that very few Christians. I think that any Christian that reads your book would be forced to pray in tongues at least an hour a day. Like I explained on yesterday’s broadcast about this young man whose whole destiny was changed just as yours was by praying in tongues. How does this affect our destiny?

Dave: Sid when you was talking about the young man how this young man thought that he was called to be a businessman and wanted to come in and pray and pray and he’d got a hold of our tapes and he got a hold of our tapes and found out what I did and made his mind up to do the same thing. Well as I continued to pray in tongues the first thing I found out about it was that it encompassed it it said “He that speaks in this unknown tongues speaks mysteries.” The mysteries you’re speaking in prayer not unto man l Corinthians 14 but unto God. It says “How be it in the Spirit this man is speaking mysteries?” Well the mysteries we’re speaking everything that the mystery that Christ is in you, into you, and through you the hope of glory. And praying in tongues is like any other kind of prayer Sid it’s designed by God to be answered. When I pray the mountain moving prayer of faith and it manifests in the mountain goes my senses can report to me that the prayer of faith has been answered. Or the prayer of consecration I’ll go anywhere and be anything you want me to be I’ll open my eyes and God will answer a prayer like that so fast you’re likely to find yourself in Africa or something. But praying in tongues is like any other form of prayer it’s designed by God to be answered. Yet these mysteries that you’re praying the mystery of everything Christ is in you and to you and through you the hope of glory was designed by God to be answered. And the young man found out that he’s called to be an evangelist, and not only an evangelist a powerful miracle manifestation of glory in God’s presence in his meetings kind of evangelist. In Romans 8:26-27 and 28 it says “He that searches the heart,” the Holy Spirit, He knows what the whole plan and mind of God is for you and I and that He makes intercession for that plan according to the will of God. You cannot pray even one hour in tongues that the powerful that the mighty Holy Spirit who holds the whole plan of God for your personal life will not run out ahead of you. And this mystery and this prayer that you’re praying in tongues the Holy Spirit knows the whole plan of God for your life and he supernaturally will begin to lay it out ahead of you. For if you will not stop praying even that one hour a day it if need be it will produce the other hours that you’ll need to pray. If you will not stop praying then His plan will be worked and just like the gentleman that you told me about if he found his way into God’s perfect plan for his life. You and I wouldn’t have chosen him for that he didn’t seem to qualify. I wouldn’t…

Sid: I’ll tell you Kathryn Kuhlman type of thing (The least likely). Laughing

Dave: I know the feeling I wouldn’t have called myself or chose myself. You know but this man supernaturally because it’s the Holy Spirit who knows the Father’s whole plan for his life is to the one that is choosing the words; the one that’s creating the prayer on the inside of your spirit. He’s the one that is laying a prayer out ahead of you that has no error in it. And if there’s one prayer that God is ever free to answer it will be that one Sid and that’s what happened to your young friend.

Sid: And not only that I have to believe that you know “Without faith you can’t please God.” And in most prayers you need a certain degree of faith to believe that God is going to answer it but when you’re praying in unknown tongues I don’t think that you need any faith at all.

Dave: The only faith you need is the one that was enough for you to go into the closet and utter it (Chuckling). That’s all the faith you need I call it mustard seed just enough.

Sid: Now you had been praying in tongues for a while and you went to a church meeting and you had a vision like an x-ray of someone’s hip was that the first time something like this had happened to you?

Dave: It was.

Sid: Well tell me about that.

Dave: A woman caught on to what I was doing and she knocked on the door and said “Are you feeling any difference?” And I told her “Oh yeah the only thing I’m really feeling is a dry chin and a dry throat.” And she said “Well, I’ve got to go.” Well, she belonged to a church that really didn’t believe in speaking with tongues and things. So she came back a month or so later and she said “Could you go with me to a lay witness?” And I said “What’s that?” She said “Our church’s meeting of statewide at our building and we’re having a lay witness where we teach and testify and we’re having it at a home this morning will you come?” And I’m thinking “Oh yeah” I love any legal reason excuse I wasn’t feeling anything or edification or nothing I didn’t know how it worked.” So I said “Oh yeah” I ran home and changed and knocked on the door. And I didn’t I was a little late because I had to go change and so I didn’t know the woman who was setting next to me or whom they set me next to that had come in on a crutch. And so Sid you know I was just… I was so happy to be with people you know I’d been locked away for about 3 months.

Sid: I know the feeling.

Dave: (Laughing) I was just so happy going “There’s real people around me I get to hear a real teacher.” So they brought me I believe a cup of tea or something. And I was setting there and so he began and since then I’ve affectionately named him the golden tongue orator you know because he began speaking. He says “And we know that God is the great celestial between the trouble waters of mankind.” And I’m going “Oh, what did I get myself into?” I’m shaking, my tea watching the tea grounds just for excitement you know this was horrible. Out of sheer boredom I turned around and looked at the elderly lady next to me and suddenly it looked like an x-ray was put up between me and her it was so vivid Sid that I looked around even to see if anybody else could see it I didn’t know what was going on. And so finally finally I leaned over to her and I said “Mam do you have trouble in your right hip?” She says “Well young man that’s what the doctor tells me” Because it was an x-ray of a deteriorated hip socket where the deterioration reached at least 4 inches down into the leg bone. She says “That’s what the doctor tells me.” And I yelled “Glory to God!” she says “I beg your pardon young man.” I says “Oh, I don’t mean that you’re sick I meant that God wants to heal you!” And she says “He does?” And I says “Yes can I pray for you?” And to her prayer meant “In the course of your day would you bow your head and remember me” but to me it meant the Pentecostal hardest prayer I could muster. And when she said yes I jumped around in front of her got on my knees grabbed her by the ankles and pulled both of her legs up even with my stomach while she was on the chair and I was on my knees. And Sid one of them was 3 or 4 inches shorter than the other I didn’t you know I didn’t do these things. I closed my eyes and prayed my hardest prayer. And I didn’t know it the first prayer her leg cracked and came out. I like to wrestle the poor lady off on the floor.

Sid: Listen after she was healed the silver tongued orator said “Lady, we don’t believe in miracles here.” And what did she say?

Dave: She grabbed her crutch and say “Well Sonny he healed me anyway.” And she was out…

Sid: Dave we’re out of time.

Sid: How is that everyone everywhere going to hear the good news?  I believe that if we follow the directions by the Manufacturer we will not go wrong. And I’m talking about God and I’m talking about the Bible. This is how I see it God is so clear that He always starts with the Jew to bless the world.  For instance, He started with the Jew when He went to Abram first so that there would be a blessing for the whole world.  Do you remember when Paul said in Roman’s 1:16 “I’m not ashamed of the gospel because the gospel is the power of God unto salvation to everyone who believes to the Jew first.” So we know God started with the Jew, we know Paul started with the Jew.  How about the Holy Spirit at Pentecost, who was speaking in unknown tongues at Shavuot, that’s the Hebrew for Pentecost? It was to the Jew first. So we have God going to the Jew first, we have Abraham going to the Jew first, we have the Holy Spirit going to the Jew first. How about Jesus?  Jesus said “I go only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.” All of these were God’s strategizing and showing us His supernatural method of evangelizing by going to the Jew first it reaches the world.

I believe that we are right on I mean it’s so close I could almost taste it a major outpouring of God’s Spirit. God’s going to have mercy on planet earth because unfortunately I see a lot of problems.  The Bible says “Yet once more, I God, am going to shake this earth and those that are not on a firm foundation are going to fall.” And let’s face it the shaking has already begun on planet earth and it’s going to get increasingly worse. And only those on a firm foundation are going to stand and God wants to have mercy again on planet earth and He’s going to use the same strategy that He’s always used. What city did he start in?  What country did He start in?  What people group did He start with? Jerusalem, Israel, the Jewish people. I believe the next move of God’s Spirit is going to happen in Israel, in Jerusalem with the Jewish people. It will not be something through great apologetics and proof as to why Jesus is the Messiah. Oh no, no, no it will not be by man’s might nor by man’s power but it will be a move of God’s Spirit. And every certain number of years you can look out throughout history there were certain moves of God’s Spirit on Jewish people. And when God moves on Jewish people it opens up a supernatural door to reach all people.  And I tell you that move is about ready to happen if it hasn’t happened already.

Joy and I went to see a movie last week it’s called “The Kingst.”  And it’s about a Polish Jew and I guess I really relate to it because I am a Polish Jew. And my father was born in Poland and it’s got to do with the Holocaust and the Warsaw Ghetto and I have to tell you this movie made a greater impact on me than “Schindler’s List.” It showed and I recommend everyone go see this if possible or get the video when it’s out because it showed what I believe is a preview of the world turning anti-Semitic, anti-Jewish.  How could it happen?  Easy, I see a lot of presidential candidates and one previous that was a presidential candidate saying “The whole purpose of the Iraqi war was the Jews and Israel and they’re our problem.”

You see as the terrorism increases more and more people will pick up that line and when you see or read about what happened in the holocaust. I mean it’s unbelievable that humans can treat other humans as if they’re not even humans, as if they’re just vegetables and just kill them at random.  We see the devil recognizes the seed that God has always used and will continue to use will continue to be the Jew, and therefore if he can cause Jewish people to be murdered than there’s most likelihood of revival and more that will go to hell rather than go to heaven.  That’s so simple you need help to get confused.

Now I believe that I’ve now been a Jewish believer in the Messiah for over 30 years now and I believe that I am a classic Jew and that’s why God saved me, and that’s why God wants me to share my story with you because if you can understand me you can understand my people. Yes it is only going to be a move of God’s Spirit but you can get in the way. And as a matter of fact most people don’t know that Jewish people are open to the gospel right now because most Christians aren’t sharing with anyone and most Christians are so intimidated of Jewish people and most Christians don’t understand we’re praying and saying “God let’s have a release of your miracle anointing.” And I look on television and I see great evangelist saying “I know that we’re right on the peripheral of a great move of God’s Spirit, a great move of miracles where the average Christian is going to be able to pray and miracles will happen.”

Well God’s strategy to reach the world is to go to the Jew first and God’s method to reach the Jew has always been in the Bible it says “The Jew requires a sign.” So the reason that God is going to releasing these miracles is so the Jews will be saved to release a supernatural outpouring of God’s Spirit on Gentiles so that the greatest revival on planet earth is about ready to take place.  And the devil can’t stop it but he recognizes every Jew he can destroy now is one more going to hell and one less person that will be sold out red hot, modern day Paul the apostle, and one less person to release that great anointing for what the book of Ephesians calls the glorious church.

So this week I’m going to talk about how I came to the Lord. I was raised as I told you in a traditional Jewish family, my father was born in Poland, my mother was born in Rochester, New York.  And my father likes to share the story of my grandfather who my recollection of my grandfather is very very stern, very very religious Jew. And when my father would walk with my grandfather in Poland and walk by a church my Grandfather would spit. And so my father intuitively knew by being raised this way that there was something wrong with the church or with Christianity. He probably didn’t have a clue what was wrong, but unfortunately I studied what’s wrong and I’ll tell you if you study church history, if you study the “Quote fathers of the faith.” You will see a mixture of so much anti-Jewish, anti-Semitism, listen the Encyclopedia Judaic says “Short of the gas chambers, short of the ovens everything Hitler had to say about Jews came from church fathers.” So that’s why I could tell you about a few of my cousins I tried to witness to. One cousin in particular comes into mind and I would say to him “Listen those people that did those horrible things to our people were the opposite of Christians.” Jesus said “You’ll know my disciples by their love not by murdering Jewish people.” So there’s action spoke louder than their words they might have said they were Christians, but a Christian is a follower of the teaching of Jesus and Jesus was a Jew, Jesus is a Jew, Jesus loved the Jewish people. Jesus went to the Jew first.”  And he said “Stop it Sid! I’m going to tell you one thing and I’m going to make it real clear on the belt buckle on the Gestapo of the Nazis it said ‘In God we trust!’ So don’t tell me they weren’t Christians!” Then I tried to tell another cousin of mine about the love of Jesus; she’ll tell you the story about her two twins little babies a little baby boy and little baby girl.  And the Nazis came into their second story apartment grabbed the little boy out of the mother’s arms and throws the baby out the window.  Now you try and tell that particular cousin of mine about the love of Jesus.

The one behind all of this is the devil himself because the only people group that are equipped that are called to share the gospel with Jewish people are Christians. Roman’s 11:11 says “Salvation has come to the Gentile to provoke the Jew to jealousy.” So some people say “Oh God what is my calling?” And God says “Why are you asking me what your calling is when you won’t do what I put in writing?” Roman’s 11:11 “Salvation has come to the Gentile to provoke the Jew to jealousy.” But that’s not the end that’s the catalyst because when the Jew is provoked to jealousy becomes a believer in Jesus it opens up a supernatural door of evangelism to all people. That’s the whole purpose of our ministry you know I can tell you the whole purpose of the Messianic Vision in one word souls.  What are you going to take to heaven with you your money, your houses, your families, your cars?  Nothing except one thing goes to heaven with you so you might as well make your life count you have one life make it count. It says in Proverbs “He who wins souls is wise.” Are you going to be wise? The strategy move in the supernatural (The Jew requires a sign) reach out to the Jew first, reach the Jew and open up a supernatural door of evangelism to all people.  Again so simple you need help to be confused.

But as I explained the devil has taken the one people group called by God the, Gentile Christians, to reach Jews and made us Jewish people who are seeing Gentile Christians as our enemy. So how in the world are Jewish people going to be reached? How in the world is revival going to happen? How is God going to do this?  Now my favorite scripture “It’s not by man’s might, nor by man’s power but it is by My Spirit sayeth the Lord.”  I want you to understand my people, I believe it’s not an accident you’re listening to this broadcast right now.

SID: Sid Roth here with Robbie Dawkins. And so Robbie, it blurts out of you before, you get, you had a mind bypass.

ROBBY: Yes.

SID: You say, “Your father is going to be healed and also his lungs are going to be healed.” And she hadn’t even mentioned lungs. After that came out of your mouth, what happened?

ROBBY: Well have you ever heard yourself say something, and as you’re hearing yourself saying it, you’re like, what did I just say? And I mean, I wanted with all my might, all my power to reach out and grab those words before it hit her ear and pull it back, and swallow it, destroying any evidence that I had uttered anything so stupid in my entire life. And so the first thing I said, “Now wait a minute.” I said, “You need to know something,” I said, “I’m no healer.” I said, “As a matter of fact, it’s probably a bad thing that I prayed for your dad because nobody I ever pray for gets healed.” And I said, “I don’t know what I’m talking about, you should not listen to a thing I say, because I absolutely, I have never prayed for anybody I have seen get healed.” And she says, “But you said God was going to give my dad a new heart.” I said, “Yes, but,” and she said, “Thank you,” and click, she hung up the phone. When I heard that phone click my heart dropped to my toes and I thought, oh dear God, this is some sort of, you know, exposé show on pastors who promise healing that actually kill people, and I just fell into the trap. I need to get my resume together. I’m going to get sued.

SID: Okay. A few days later, she calls you back. What happens?

ROBBY: It wasn’t even a few days. It was two hours later.

SID: Two hours?

ROBBY: She calls back and…

SID: [unintelligible] two hours now.

ROBBY: She was going into surgery right at that time.

SID: Oh I see.

ROBBY: So she calls back two hours later and all I hear on the other end is, [unintelligible], and she couldn’t talk, and I didn’t understand. And so I hung up on her. And then she calls back and she’s like, “Please don’t hang up this time.” And I said, and I recognized it was her, and I thought, oh dear God, I killed her dad. You know, I prayed for him, he’s dead. He probably would have at least survived a little bit. I’m serious, I was in panic. And I started immediately apologizing. I said, “I’m so sorry.” She said, “Sorry for what?” And I said, “Your dad died, right?” And she goes, “No, my dad didn’t die.” She goes, “That what I’m calling to tell you.” Now no one was more surprised to hear that than me. And she goes, “No.” She goes, “This is the thing.” She goes, “I just talked to the doctor.” And she goes, “When the doctor opened up my dad’s chest,” she said, “they couldn’t even find any scar tissue from the previous surgery except the scar on the outside of his chest on the skin.” She said, “Here’s the thing, he had a pig valve replacement of his valve and his heart, and the doctor said it was completely gone.” She said, “When they opened him up,” she said, “he had the heart—”

SID: The replacement was gone?

ROBBY: The replacement was gone.

SID: Wow.

ROBBY: He had a heart of a 30-year-old man, the doctor said.

SID: But then wait until you hear this next thing.

ROBBY: “My dad had a half lung removed because of lung cancer.” And she goes, “When they opened him up and checked, the doctor looked and said, ‘I believe this man has a whole lung.’ And they checked, and he did. He had a whole lung where he had half a lung removed.”

SID: So when this began, something began in Robbie and he has not been the same since. But the thing that intrigues me the most, Robbie, is I’ve seen pictures of this. You go out on the street, you talk to total non-believers and they say they feel something. They feel the presence of God. How did this start and can others do this?

ROBBY: Absolutely. I mean, anybody can do it. My, what I really believe is Jesus came to show us not what he could do as the Son of God, he was drawing a map of what we could do. He was coming as the second Adam to reinstate what the first Adam gave away. And so going out and just following what Jesus said. When Jesus said, “These things you will do and greater,” it’s an invitation to come and do the things Jesus did.

SID: That’s what happened in the first thing that happened with you after they got healed, they were all non-believers. What happened?

ROBBY: That next Sunday, she ended up coming to the church. I argued with her on the phone. I said, “I won’t believe it until I see a doctor’s report.” She goes, “Are you sure you’re a pastor?” And I said, “Yes, and I’m not a naïve pastor.” And she did. That next Sunday she brought a scroll of faxes, she brought a scrolled fax of the doctor’s report and it said everything I just shared with you. And I looked at it, I read it and I was blown away. And she brought her mother, her father who had been healed, her husband. They all ended up giving their lives to Christ as a result of that, every one of them.

SID: So let’s go back because I am so intrigued with the, it’s one thing for a believer to say, I feel the presence of God. It’s another thing for a non-believer to say, I feel. Tell me about this.

ROBBY: Well you know, what happens is that when God, God is in relentless pursuit of us. He’s pursing us. He’s passionate about us. We’re not begging him to come. He’s right here. He wants to come. And so when we pray for people they can feel it and we have the authority. Jesus said, “All authority has been given to me and I am in you.” And so all that authority that he has lives in you, and his power of source was the Holy Spirit, and the Holy Spirit lives in you. We have all the ingredients living inside of us that was in him that did all the miracles. It’s right here. And so when we release we have the authority to release the manifest presence of God. Just like Jesus said, you know, “Peace I give to you.” Not just any peace, my peace. If somebody gives you something you can give it away. And so when we encounter and receive the presence of God we can give that away. We can release that. And so many times I would just pray for people, and I love especially people who just don’t believe at all, people who are atheists or don’t believe at all, to release to them the manifest presence of God so that they will feel the reality, the tangible presence of Jesus and realize that he’s real and that he’s in passionate pursuit of them. And they see it happen all the time.

SID: You know, it’s beyond that. And by the way, when he said see it happen all the time, he means that because the people where the presence of God is, all things are possible, all things. People are getting healed, coming to know Messiah. But he told me something when I was having a meal with him about he’s on a plane and there is a Jewish woman next to him, and if you thought it was a little funny, his first story, you will, you’re going to fall out of your seat even at home on this next story with this Jewish woman. We’ll be right back.