Sid Roth

Sid: Hello this is Sid Roth and I am mashuga that’s a Hebrew word it means crazy I am mashuga for Yeshua. And some of you that are laughing at me you’re mashuga for something I want to be mashuga for Yeshua for Jesus.  Now my guest Perry Stone he’s another one that’s mashuga for Yeshua but I can’t wait to interview Perry because as you know he’s a real student of the word.  And he has studied over…the Bible over 100,000 hours and as a result of that study and being a man of the Spirit he has come up with the most important revelation in the history of his ministry. And we’re going to be talking about a lot of them and you see what he does he studies cycles that are repetitive in the Bible. And when you understand these cycles it gives you keys for understanding the future. But Perry I understand you had a vision of the last days of something that’s about ready to happen a warning dream if you will tell me about it.

Perry: Well there was 2… recently and I’ll talk about more recently because the one you’re talking about was previously sometime back. I’m having an experience at night it’s happening once every 2 weeks of seeing tsunamis very very high waves coming over especially there is a city and I’m not sure if it’s on our east coast or our west coast or where it is. And I do believe one of them affects the United States however, and so having said that I’ll go through this real brief.  I was in…

Sid: But wait I have to ask you this I’m always looking for other meanings as you are to. When I hear a tsunami could it not it’ll be devastating but could it not also be a tsunamis of the Holy Spirit?

Perry: Well you know because the Bible uses the metaphor of water pouring out the Spirit in the last days you do have to when you have certain visions or dreams have to look at the interpretation of the symbolism as well. What I try to distinguish is how much symbolism was actually in the vision or dream like serpents or water or sheep or lamb or wheat or fruit trees verses does it appear to be more literal.  Now in the second one the second one I’m going to tell you about which is the main one this was very literal. We were in a city I don’t exactly know where it was I did see a sign but I’m very careful not to name it because when I do this people call us and people begin to panic and they begin to say “Should I move or whatever.” And people just have to pray and know the mind of God God will direct His people. My wife and I were in an apartment overlooking a city and we noticed over top of the city there were dark clouds beginning to form.  And I told her “Get everyone inside the building for security purposes I feel like something’s about to happen.” I then turned to a glass window this is a double story building and this was very clear I could see it just like it were yesterday.  And I looked toward the water and I noticed that there was a sign that this bridge was affecting a city on the east coast which it is somewhere on the east coast. And suddenly the strangest thing I saw a wave just come out of this water and it washed over the bridge and I saw the bridge begin to fall and the most bazaar part Sid was I saw the shadow of the Twin Towers come up out of the water not the towers themselves but a ghostly looking shadow that came up out of the water which made me wonder was this event caused by a terrorist attack? Was it caused by a sleeper cell or terrorist attack that was somehow going to affect this particular area of the country?  And I remember the wave came in the wave was taking a 2 story buildings that was on the water shore that was not far from this bridge.  And I did a little bit of research later and found out that this area is connected by bridges there is a lot of bridges in the area. There’s never been an actual warning of a natural tsunamis in that area but we know how those were also caused they’re caused by an earthquake an underwater earthquake and as it happened in Indonesia or it happened in Japan. But I’m really sensing and I don’t want to get sidetracked here on something but when we go back and look at Genesis chapter 19 at the incident that happened at the 5 cities at the plain Sodom and Gomorrah, Admah and Zeboiim, and how sudden destruction came to those cities because the first covenant that God ever established as you know is the covenant of a man and a woman.  God cut Adams rib in order to produce Eve, and the very first major commandment God gave was “Be fruitful and multiply.”  So the first covenant was a man and woman, the first commandment covenant that is “Be fruitful and multiply.” And we see the entire society now contradicting that and passing and I call it passing laws that are abomination before God. We know that if that type of thing happens and it continues to happen that God has to permit the same type of judgments to happen to America or whatever country they might be involved with the same type of issue as it would be with Sodom and Gomorrah.  And someone asked me the other day which I thought was a good question they said “Perry why do you think that America comes under a selective judgment faster than a nation that doesn’t know the Bible?” And I said “Where little is known little is required; but where much is known much is required.”  We have been a nation of the Bible, a nation of the covenant a nation that is founded is a fact by early fathers who did believe in Christ. Not all of them were not necessarily Christians there was a few deist or a few other beliefs there but majority were Christians and they established this land in covenant with the Almighty they believe God divinely raised it up. So if we take the covenant of our ancestors, and this is a phrase used in the book of Leviticus the covenant of the ancestors; and we begin to do things shedding of innocent blood is one in Matthew 23 talks about that the warning why Jerusalem was destroyed was because of the shedding of innocent blood and the other issue is the covenant of what we call marriage the man and woman and if we begin to contradict that and say “God you really don’t know what You’re talking about and we’re in a different time and culture and we’re going to do our thing.” It positions the entire nation into a situation of seeing some very horrendous things happen in the future. And it’s real odd Sid because there’s 2 paths that we’re on one path is a outpouring of the Spirit, gospel being preached, revival path and it fabulous the greatest outpouring of the Holy Spirit. We’re having conferences here in Cleveland with 4 to 6000 young people with 500 at one time being baptized in the Holy Spirit it’s the most phenomenal thing I’ve seen in my life time. The other side of the track almost running parallel with this is the, I call it “The days of Lot and the days of Noah track” where the signs of the days of Lot and the days of Noah are being fulfilled in front of our very eyes. And one track is very negative and the other track is very positive and depending on how an individual’s relationship is with God and the covenant that they have with God if you have a covenant you can be on that positive track headed to the kingdom. If you don’t have a covenant relationship with God you’re on the days of Lot and the days of Noah track in the sense of that was the track that saw 2 of the greatest judgments of their time. One was the universal flood and the other was of course the destruction of 4 out of 5 cities there near the Dead Sea and the southern part of Israel.  And so I’m seeing that something is up, something is going to happen and it does concern me but at the same time I do know God is very much in charge and God’s people have to keep faith in their heart.  You know the most troubling parable to me Sid is that one in Luke where the woman goes before the judge and keeps asking for the judge to avenge her and then Jesus said “Shall not God avenge His elected cry day and night to Him.” And then the last part of that says “When the Son of man comes shall He find faith on the earth?” And the implication there is that people’s faith can become weak at the very time of the end and they could become like Lot’s wife and look back as the greatest deliverance that’s ever happened the return of the Messiah is taking place.

Sid: Perry I have to ask you a question and I’m sure others have asked you this “Why do you teach so much about Israel and Jewish roots?”

Perry: The real reason I believe for this is number 1 is in my earlier ministry which began in 1979 up to about 1984. I basically taught faith, the Holy Spirit baptism.  Of course I was an evangelist having revivals that would go 3 or 4 weeks in most churches where we would go. My first trip to Israel totally altered and transformed me and I know that you go to Israel and people really need to take a trip with you because you are so transformed in your knowledge it’s not just seeing the place it’s the knowledge. I realized when I went there #1 is I didn’t know as much as I thought having been raised in a church I didn’t know as much as I thought. Then I saw the prophetic element and when I saw the prophetic element I came to this realization I came back and realized went back into what I called the First Covenant or people call it the Old Testament. But I went back to the prophets and I began to realize that everything that they predicted about the time of the end is somehow linked to Israel, it’s linked to Jerusalem. For example Zachariah chapters 12 though 14 is totally linked to Jerusalem; it’s linked to God building up Jerusalem, Psalms 102 verse 16 “When the Lord builds up Zion then He will appear in His glory.”  And I began to look at these scripture and I began to realize okay Israel, Jerusalem, the return of the Jewish people, the blessing that’s going to come upon the land all of this happens really before the Messiah returns. It set up the process begins before he sets up His Kingdom on earth.  And that’s when I thought “Hey we’re missing something here.” Being raised a 4^th generation minster in a more traditional full gospel church we basically taught either from the 4 gospels or the 4 books of Acts in a Sunday morning message. And then we come into the Epistles and taught the guidelines of living but what was missing when I grew up and I’m talking about my father was a great man of God and a great pastor and a great preacher but he admitted later “Perry I never understood the prophetic aspect because when we came up, and Israel became a nation in 1948, and the 6 Day War took place in ’67 we knew that it was significant but we didn’t have the knowledge to put it together. And Sid he said something to me that I’ll never forget I said “Dad why do you think that your generation didn’t quite understand the prophetic part of this?” And here’s what He said to me he said “Son because my generation was not the last generation.” When the last generation comes the final generation before the Messiah returns that’s the generation that will have the clear total understanding but like God said to Daniel “Seal the book until the time at the end then many will run to and fro…”

Sid: So that begs the question are we in the final generation?

Perry: With all of my heart especially with what you see in Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Israel, Lebanon, what you see taking in the northern part of Africa, the situation with the EU, the situation with America I honestly believe Sid you know you’ve got the blood moon issue which are definitely prophetic cycles which are definitely taken place the lunar eclipses I believe we are really and truly in the time of the end.  For me to sit here and say “How many years is that, how many months is that” I stay clear of that despite the fact I do a lot of research on cycles and patterns. I do believe however that the great revival, and you’re experiencing some of that yourself when you have gone to Israel. The great revival among the Hebrew people. And not only that there’s this really amazing visitation of God with visions and dreams among the Muslim people all over the world. That type of thing is indicating to me that the gospel is getting to the nations and that’s what’s going to have to happen to bring in the kingdom to the earth where Messiah can come to Jerusalem to rule for that thousand years that John talked about in Revelation 20. So I really do believe that we are in that time called the time of the end. And honestly Sid it’s about the most exciting time to live right now; you and I couldn’t have picked a better time. I mean you and I could not have picked it but you know our parents did I guess.

Sid: No, no God chose us to be here I believe we are created our DNA…Perry Stone your DNA was created from heaven to be able to do what you’re doing. Tell me…but my producer told me that I really got to find out about this Rabbi Samuel; tell me about him.

Perry:  This is intriguing, a Rabbi Eudemon Samuel was a Greensburg German Hasidic Rabbi in born about the year 1217 but he made these amazing predictions about Jerusalem and the coming Messiah.  A little background in his day at age 55 he wrote 2 books.  Now one of them has been lost and the other one I remember my Jewish guide showed me this book way back in the ‘80s but it was in Hebrew. The time frame that he was dealing with was 1096 to about 1270. And this was before what was known back then as the crusaders lost Palestine, of course I’m using old terms here the Rabbi would have used back then to the Muslims in about 1291.  And this was his exact quote okay it says “When the Ottoman Turks conquered Jerusalem they would rule over Jerusalem for 8 Jubilees; afterwards Jerusalem will become a no man’s land for one Jubilee and then in the 9^th Jubilee it will once again come back into procession of the Jewish nation. They will signify which would signify the beginning of the Messianic end time.” So quick let me run through this in Leviticus 25 a Jubilee is 7 times 7 years or 49 years with a 50^th year itself be the Jubilee the Jubilee is every technically every 50 years is the great Shabbat in other words. Alright now when the Rabbi gave this description about the Ottoman Turks 300 years later after he wrote this in the year 1517 the Turks took Palestine and the city of Jerusalem and several years later they started rebuilding the walls and you know this you’ve been to Israel enough those crusaders castle looking walls in Jerusalem were actually built by the Turks they weren’t built by Herod the Great.  And so they start rebuilding the walls of Jerusalem.   Now this Rabbi…imagine this now I mean this is like in the 13 centuries writing this he said “There’s going to be 8 Jubilees, so 50 times 8.” Fifty is a Jubilee multiplied 8 times or 400 years that is exact time the Turks had Jerusalem from 1517 to 1917 exactly 400 years which is 8 Jubilees.  Then his next prediction is this alright in the 9^th Jubilee it will once again go back into the hands as a Jewish nation. So 1917 let’s go ahead 50 years which is the next Jubilee which is 1967 during the 6 Day War Jerusalem was reunited it became the Capitol of Israel at the end of the 9^th Jubilee based on his timing, based on Rabbi Ben Samuels timing. That was a period of 50 years there’s a Jubilee. Then he says this and this is what’s so exciting to me he’s been so right on these other predictions. He says “In the 10^th Jubilee would fall from 1967 to the year 2017. From the 9^th to the 10^th Jubilee will be the Messianic era the timeframe of the Messiah. So when you look at this to me it’s very exciting because you know a person can make prediction after prediction if they missed it at some point it kind of messes up with the rest of their prediction. He’s hit it on the head with these Jubilee cycles. And you know from a rabbinical thought Biblical numbers mean things; first 6 is man; 7 is perfection; 8 is new beginnings; 5 is the number of grace. But when you look at the Jubilee cycles there are entire books that were found at Qumran.  Entire scrolls called the Book of Jubilees where the writer put everything in Israel’s history on Jubilee cycles. And the there is definitely without a doubt patterns to be found in the Jubilee so if the Rabbis previous predictions have proven so correct. Part 1 the 8 Jubilees, Second part the 9^th Jubilee. And this 3^rd part would be 10the Jubilee from 1967 to 2007 that means we are now for the next 7 years are entering into what’s called the Messianic Era where the emphasis is going to be on the Jewish Messiah. And it’s going to be on our Yeshua the one that we love and He is going to manifest His presence, He is going to manifest His visions, His dreams to people and we are going to see the greatest understanding of who Jesus is.  Your know Sid the whole battle…

Sid: I’ll tell you what hold that thought Perry.

SID: I’m pretty overwhelmed of the concepts that God is downloading to David Herzog, this whole concept of appealing to the Court of Heaven. How did that start in your life?

DAVID: Yeah, it started when I was in a meeting and there was a boy there. There had been great miracles and the mother was crying, and I said, “Why are you crying?” She said, “My son here is going to go to jail for many, many years. Tuesday is the court case.” “What did he do?” “Well, he did something really bad on the Internet involving pornography but on the level that would put him in jail for many, many years, and they have all the evidence. They have his computer.” I asked the boy, “Is that true?” He said, “Yeah, I messed up.” He got saved, he repented. And then I said, “Let’s go to the Judge of Heaven and Earth before you got to the earthly judge and present your case to him.” And we did that, went through the protocol. He repented. He had a call on his life for ministry. We presented our case and I felt I heard the Judge say, “It is finished. He’s forgiven.” And he goes to the court on Tuesday.

Judge: You know you’re going to go to jail for a long time because of all the evidence we have against you.

DAVID: He said, “Even if I go to jail I want God to use me. I’m just happy, I’m saved, I’m free.” The judge and the lawyer threw the case out when he heard his testimony.

Judge: This case is closed.

DAVID: And so actually as it was in Heaven, it mimicked on Earth. He didn’t deserve it, but neither do any of us.

SID: So that’s where you first got this revelation. Now you say repentance is very key to this. Explain.

DAVID: Yeah. So when you go to the Court of Heaven for anything, let’s say finances or health, or anything that it seems like it’s not working, in the natural you take it to court. If something is not working to get things done sometimes you got to go to court. So you go to, you got to go to God as the judge, not just as the healer for healing. When you need justice you got to go to the judge. And so that’s how I started understanding it, wow, there’s got to be a judge in Heaven if there’s one on Earth, on Earth as it is in Heaven. And that’s kind of how it started happening. And in my own life I would start praying, and I would take things to the Court of Heaven, not just to Heaven. A financial situation for someone who owed me a huge amount of money, decided not to pay it from overseas. And two days later, all this money was wired back. He had an emergency business meeting and the money came back. While I was in Russia, I was detained because of the books in Russia I had. And my wife reminded, Stephanie reminded me, she said, “Honey, let’s go to the court of Heaven.” We did it while we were in a detention type place, and five minutes later after being held for a while, they said, “You can go.” And I said, “Why did you detain us?” They go, “Don’t ask, just go.”

SID: You know what I love about David is that God downloads these revelations. He then experiments with himself and his family with these revelations then he teaches to others, and people are getting amazing answers to prayer. Now one of the importances of repentance is because of the accuser of the brethren. Explain.

DAVID: Yes. So when you go to the Court of Heaven, a lot of times a little voice comes in your ear and says, well you’re not perfect. You did this or you said that. And a lot of times you say, yeah, oh that’s right, I can’t pray. That’s the accuser of the brethren accusing you so you don’t feel you have boldness to go to the Throne. But the judge in the court will say, sorry devil, that evidence is not remissible in this court because it’s already been repented of. So when repentant of sin, it’s not just something that God forgives you only, but also so you have authority in the Courtroom of Heaven to get your prayers answered.

SID: You have a great, great love for new agers and you were recently in a store with a new ager, and you had quite an encounter. Tell me about that.

DAVID: Yeah. Well the reason I love them is they’re looking for love, joy, peace, but just in the wrong places, but they’re sincere. Many of them are really sincere. So I go in this and this lady is really nice, and she knows me. I go there to get a sandwich or something, or a salad, or a raw food place. She goes, “Where have you been?”

Woman: So where have you been? I haven’t seen you.

DAVID: I was in Peru. We opened a blind eye.

Woman: Oh. So did you learn all the mystical things of that country?

DAVID: No, people came to our meetings. How was your week?

Woman: Good. I levitated off the ground yesterday, a few inches.

DAVID: How did you do that?

Woman: Well I invited 3000 Buddhas in me.

DAVID: They weren’t Buddhas. They were demons.

Woman: No. They were Buddhas.

DAVID: Did they look Chinese with little bellies?

Woman: No, they were actually ugly and skinny.

DAVID: They’re demons. And then she said, “Well I was very uncomfortable when I was levitating.” I said, “I would be, too, if I had 3000 demons inside me. And then she came back down, she said, off the ground, and then she said that Jesus appeared to her.

Woman: When I came back off the ground, Jesus appeared to me.

DAVID: Isn’t Jesus great? He rose from the dead.

Woman: I know. I did, too.

DAVID: You rose from the dead? She clinically was dead in the hospital. She said Jesus appeared to her, she rose from the dead, but no one shared the Gospel with her, so she was kind of searching in new age and psychic stuff. Nice lady. I said, “Then what happened?”

Woman: And I got to this place called the Kingdom of Heaven. Have you heard of it? But I wasn’t allowed in. There was this loud voice and this big bright light, and it said, “No man comes to the Father but through me.”

DAVID: I said, “I can tell you what’s going on.” I said, “You have all these other lovers, these other boyfriends, different, which is false gods, Hinduism, Buddhism, new age, and He’s the one who saved you. He’s the one who rose you from the dead. He is the one that can save your soul and he’s not going to stop pursuing you. He’s a jealous God. He wants only you for Himself.” And she started crying, and I got to pray with her and lead her to the Lord.

SID: You said something so fascinating to me. You said that when you were in France you were having a hard time reaching the people, and God spoke to you and told you to go to Israel.

DAVID: Yes.

SID: And then your ministry really opened up in France. Why going to Israel? Why not go to New York City?

DAVID: Yeah. I was in France. It was really hard. I was in France, less than one percent Christian. I was there 12 years and the first few months I was there nothing was working. So I fasted and prayed for three days and said, “God, what am I doing wrong?” He said, “Do what Paul did. Paul went to the Jew first,” though he was called to the Gentiles in Europe. That’s the Roman Empire. I said, “Okay, how do I do that?” He goes, “Just do what I tell you.” I said, “What do you want me to do?” “Go to Israel.” So I said, “Go to Israel? Why would I go to Israel when I’m in France? I just got here. I have no money.” He goes, “Sell your car.” Sold my car for the exact amount of money the trip cost, joined our tour team from our Bible school, led 32 people to the Lord. And when I got back to France we were in five years of non-stop revival, ending in a six-month revival, was the longest revival in 50 years in one church in Paris. It was just, the Lord told me, “If you touch Israel and touch the Jewish people first he’ll bring the Gentile harvest.”

SID: That’s such an amazing truth. So few realize this, you would reach more Gentiles by reaching to the Jew first than by going to the Gentile first. It’s called the spiritual law of evangelism. When we come back I’m going to have David give you a revelation of how you can get the blessings your ancestors were robbed of, when we come back.

SID: Rabbi Schneider, how might demons manifest themselves to people and in what ways, and some, I understand, they think it’s themselves and it’s really not.

RABBI SCHNEIDER: Absolutely. That is such a key for us to realize that many of the problems that we’re dealing with, things like fear, sadness, anger, addiction, these are not just natural problems. These are supernatural problems and that’s one of the keys to getting deliverance over darkness is to recognize that many of the thoughts that we have that cause defeat and torment in one’s life are not originating from within, they’re originating from the outside. I like to describe a demon as a personal evil with intelligence that seeks to occupy space, either space in our mind so that it’s affecting our thought life, or even space in our body. And when someone is walking around let’s say depressed all the time, they have to realize that God is happy. So if God is happy and they’re depressed, where is the depression coming from? And although often times there are some natural reasons, what happens is, is that demons connect to personal vulnerabilities, personal weaknesses in our own life and they make a natural problem a supernatural problem that requires a supernatural solution and a supernatural activation to break it off.

SID: Will demons just leave on their own if you do nothing about it?

RABBI SCHNEIDER: Absolutely not. Demons are intruders and they will not leave on their own. Sid, I think about a dream that I had not too long ago and in this dream I was living in this really dilapidated house. It was really small, you know, maybe like a 15 by 15-foot room. It was old. It was kind of falling apart. You could feel the atmosphere in there. It was dark and depressing and I was sad in that space. And then 20 yards away from me, from this dilapidated house I was living in, I could see another house and this other house was like a 3000-square foot home, it was brand new, it was contemporary, it was clean, it was attractive. It had a light happy feeling to it. And in the dream, Sid, I knew that that beautiful house was mine and yet here I was living in this dilapidated space. Then I realized, why was I living in this dilapidated space when that beautiful home 20 yards away was mine that I could be living in. And of course, houses represent a place that we live. And I realized as the dream continued that the reason I was not taking possession of the beautiful house is because there were demons living in the home. I could see the demons in the dream. They were in the form of human beings, but I could see by the energy that these human beings were giving off that were in my house, violent, hateful, intense energy. Because those demons were in the home as squatters, they didn’t have a right to be there and they weren’t going to leave on their own, I realized that my fear of going into that house and taking occupancy of it was what was keeping me from living in that space. Eventually I got so sick and tired of living in that dilapidated small depressed space, I made up my mind I was going to take possession of that beautiful home that the Lord gave me. So in the dream, Sid, I went to that beautiful house, again 20 yards away, I stood outside the door and I waited for the head demon to come out.

Male voice: This house is mine. No demon can stop you from taking possession of this house.

RABBI SCHNEIDER: When he came out I took a hold of him, threw him on the ground and I just started on him, ramming my fist in his face, and at first, it seemed like nothing was happening. I felt totally impotent, powerless, but I was so committed to getting free, so tired of being sick and tired, I just kept punching. And all of a sudden, all the air went out from him and he was gone, and I was able to take possession of my home. But I had to confront him and make him leave. He wasn’t going to leave on his own.

SID: There are ways that most are ignorant of. Yet these demons try to occupy our homes. What are some of the openings that we have that we may not even be aware of?

RABBI SCHNEIDER: Yes, in other words, how can they gain entrance?

SID: Yeah.

RABBI SCHNEIDER: And things for example, like unforgiveness. I learned about this again from a prophetic dream. And as a new believer, you know I read Jesus’ words years ago, “Forgive and you shall be forgiven”, and I thought, Lord, won’t you just forgive me. And I really didn’t understand how important it as for me to forgive people. And what happened was the Lord taught me this lesson through a dream. I was in another house, completely different dream, but again took place in a house. Remember, Jesus spoke about the person that was delivered from demons and the demon left, and he said, “If that house that he was evicted from wasn’t put in order…” So sometimes our spiritual space is what the Bible uses to symbolize a house. So in other words, I’m in this house and I’m being tormented in this house. There is something behind me that was just tormenting and oppressing me. I couldn’t see what it was. I could just feel the oppression. And in the home I kept on running from room to room to try to escape this tormenter behind me. No matter what room I went into, this tormentor wouldn’t leave. Finally after this went on for some time, I felt the gaze of God come down upon me. I literally felt the gaze of the eye of the Father from Heaven come down upon me, Sid, in the dream. And then the Lord showed me, as his gaze was upon me, somebody in my life that I hadn’t forgiven and he said to me, “Release them.” And as soon as I released them that tormentor was gone. So demons can gain access through unforgiveness. When we stay in unforgiveness we’re legally opening up a place where a demon can get in and torment us. The same thing with willful sin. When someone is willfully living outside of God’s moral boundaries, he places himself in a position where demons have access to him. A big one is generational spirits, spirits that have been in our families.

SID: Like if there’s divorce for the last three generations, you don’t have to be a mental giant.

RABBI SCHNEIDER: Exactly. And you know, even things like depression. You know, if your mom was depressed and your dad was depressed, chances are you’re going to have to deal with that spirit and break it out of your existence, out of your life.

SID: You teach that we should refuse to be intimidated by these spirits. What do you mean?

RABBI SCHNEIDER: Well what I mean is that we know that Jesus is Lord. Every knee shall bow, every tongue confess that Jesus is Lord. He reigns and because he reigns I refuse to allow a demon to have dominion over me. I see this in my own life and see this when I exercise demons out of other people. When we know that they have to leave because Jesus is Lord and we’re his, and he’s ours, they will leave. You know, it’s like I heard you say before, Sid, they won’t leave until they know that you know they have to leave.

SID: Rabbi Schneider, there are people all over the world right now that are struggling with bad thoughts, with demonic problems, with sickness. When we come back I want you to tell us things that God has taught you so that they can be free. Be right back.

Sid: We want everyone everywhere to be red hot for the Messiah but this is ridiculous Mishpocha Heidi is… I don’t think she’s red hot I think she’s white hot, that’s hotter than red hot. Anyway I caught up with Heidi and Rolland Baker in Toronto they have a wonderful ministry in Mozambique, Africa. On yesterday’s broadcast we found out in 1997 Heidi, who has PhD, was pinned to the floor in Toronto, Canada pinned to the floor by the kavod, that’s the manifest presence. One of the definitions of the word is heaviness of God. Literally pinned her to the floor for several days; she was just totally…how do you describe totally immobile, is that right Heidi?

Heidi: I was incapacitated (laughing).

Sid: But the thing that is so wonderful is the fruit that has come from this. Today you have how many orphans are you taking care of?

Heidi: Several thousand orphans and our church pastors are beginning to take 10 each.

Sid: You said there were a couple thousand churches but you think it’s up close to 3000 now that have started under your ministry in the last few years?

Heidi: Over 3000 now.

Sid: If someone had told you 10 years ago “Heidi you’ll be feeding this many people and you’ll have to start all these churches.” Would you have believed it?

Heidi: I would have been quite shocked.

Sid: I’m sure or if someone would have you told you about your style of preaching and how it would change.

Heidi: (Laughing) I wouldn’t have believed them.

Sid: So for those that are listening for the first time and those that are… I want you to get a little more graphic. Let’s take you to 1997 the first time you had this major encounter with the Lord when you were pinned to the ground. What did He say to you and what did you see?

Heidi: Well the first time as I was sharing a bit yesterday I saw Jesus and I saw His eyes and His lovely beautiful face. The love of God pouring through His eyes and His broken bleeding body and He handed me His side and I fed it to the children. He said “There was always enough because He died.” He handed me a cup that flowed with blood and water from His side He said “There’s always enough because I died.” I gave it away to the children and it multiplied, just multiplied in my hands. From that day we’ve never said no to a dying hurting child taking them all. The next time the weight of God’s presence fell upon when we returned to Toronto and Randy Clark prayed for me and asked me, he said “God asked him would I want the nation, would I want the nation?” I didn’t know what that meant. I didn’t know God gave out nations I was confused by it but I just ran forward kneeled on my knees and my hands lifted and I screamed “Yes! Yes! Yes!” I was shocked by the power of God electrocute shocking and absolutely overcome by the power of God’s presence. Then I was again stuck to the ground unable to move, this lasted for seven days. Rolland and others carried me into the church and out of the church and in this time God spoke to my heart. He said “That I could do nothing, absolutely nothing without Him.”

Sid: Now when you were carried back and forth and out in the spirit that length of time, were you aware of anything going on on the outside? Were you aware that people were carrying you?

Heidi: I was aware of it I even heard some people laughing, some people thought it was kind of funny, but there was not one thing funny about it. It was holy, it was holy, holy, holy the holy presence of God. God… the first part of this literally I became hot I thought I was going to die I began to scream and I’m not one that would scream in church, I began to scream out “I’m going to die! I’m going to die!” God said “Good I want you dead” and that’s what changed my life. He just wanted me dead to my own desires, my own ambitions and He killed me, He killed me, He killed my flesh and after that experience all of the miracles, all of the healing miracles…

Sid: For those that are not familiar would you tell me… you had mentioned off the air that people had been dead are coming back to life. Tell me about that.

Heidi: Yes we have 4 pastors now who have raised the dead. After that experience where I was on the ground the Lord said “He wanted me to start a training school for pastors.” We started with 12 He gave me a prophetic word over 2 that they would raise the dead. I told them to go and pray for the dead. The next month both of them had raised the dead in Jesus name and revival had resulted from that. We’ve just had 2 little girls raised from the dead in Nampula Provence. A Muslim, complete Muslim Provence, and as these girls were raised from the dead, they died in the hospital, they were given back to the families to bury, to bury. This is recent we can’t tell old stories because they’re all so new (laughing). These little girls were dead and they took them back to their huts. This woman who had just been in our Bible school, Pastor Dawn Wheky, she prayed for them and they were both raised from the dead in Jesus name.

Sid: Now I know that your husband’s grandfather saw so many supernatural things of children having heavenly visitations. How about your orphans, has anything like that happening to them?

Heidi: Absolutely that was why we went to Mozambique. We wanted to see a continuation of what Rolland’s grandfather had seen in Hunan Province, China with orphans. The Lord promised us He would do it again and He called us to Mozambique to the poorest of the poor and He began to pour His Spirit out on these children. We started our churches, over 3000 churches now all with orphans and street children. The Lord, just as He touched me and poured His presence over me and incapacitated me He’s doing it to our children. He pours His Spirit into them and they see visions. Little Evon was taken up on shoulders of angels, danced with the angels, sat on the lap of the Lord and told to preach the gospel.

Sid: He was told… Was he the one that was given a song in heaven and brought back to earth?

Heidi: Hallelujah Hosanna yes! Evon.

Sid: Would you sing that song for 20 seconds or so right now?

Heidi: (Singing) Hallelujah Hosanna, Hallelujah Hosanna, Hallelujah Hosanna, Hallelujah hosanna…

Sid: Oh the anointing’s coming strong. Tell me a little bit… I have a video in which your son, your adopted son, and I imagine a few of his friends were singing the song and you were at the Toronto Airport Church. What happens when you sing that song now that song that came right from heaven?

Heidi: Just the presence of the Lord…

Sid: I could feel it as you were singing (laughing)!

Heidi: (Laughing) The presence of the Lord, Nairberto was singing that song it wasn’t Evon in the video but Nairberto who we found on the streets of Maputo a gang leader, a gangster gang leader. Absolutely taken a hold of by God and changed and now he’s at the school of ministry here in Toronto, he’s studying to be a minister.

Sid: Now do they really preach on the streets after they have these visitations?

Heidi: Oh yes we all preach on the streets! We’re still on the streets that’s where all the wonderful stuff happens out on the streets where the poor hear the good news. I was just in a garbage dump a couple of months ago and a man paralyzed from the waist down, 2 months paralyzed – Whoa! – The Lord completely healed Him. He was… yeah 2 years he was paralyzed, 2 years he was unable to walk. I went to the dump went with his wife way down into the depths of the bowls of the dump and the Lord said to me “Baptize him.” I had no river, the poor don’t live by rivers, you know there was no river, there was no lake, and just found a cup of water poured it over his head in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. I broke this spirit of death and darkness off of him and he got up and walked in Jesus name. Totally and completely healed – Whoa! I…

Sid: Excuse me Heidi in your video I heard you say what you just said a number of times “Whoa!” Why are you doing that, what is that?

Heidi: I just feel such a strong presence of the Lord that – Whoa! I don’t even know how to contain it, it comes out (laughing).

Sid: (Laughing)

Heidi: (Laughing) Whoa! Sometimes a holy or… it’s just a strong presence of the Lord hitting me.

Sid: Do you ever have religious people that say “You shouldn’t be doing that!” or “You’re such a good speaker why are you doing that? Why are saying these sounds? Why are you preaching from the floor?” Why?

Heidi: Yes I have but I realize now that the Lord uses the foolish things to confound the wise. I actually just recently was saying to God “I’d like notes and quotes. I’d like to sound Dr. Baker thank you very much.” Because a really coherent speaker had spoken ahead of me and instead as I was going to the bookstore to get some books to get notes and quotes, I was again stuck to the floor with the glory of the Lord. God showed me clown shoes He said “You can’t wear these shoes, you can’t wear these shoes you have to walk in your anointing. You walk in the anointing I’ve given you to walk in and I will use you as a sign and a wonder. I will use you the way I want to use you.” I was unable to get any notes or quotes but God showed up and people were changed.

Sid: Is there a transference of anointing that you’re seeing but… obviously I saw you pray for this transference of anointing on all the students at the school of ministry on the video. Do people die to self? Do people walk in the love that God says is available for us when you pray for them?

Heidi: (Laughing) By God’s grace they do and I get emails from hundreds of people that are giving their life away. Giving their whole life away for our precious King Jesus and serving the poor, and serving the lost and dying. It really really happens because of who He is.

Sid: Heidi we’re out of time.

SID: You talk about keys so that we can really understand.

KAREN: Yes.

SID: What God’s will is. I mean, so many people are almost paralyzed.

KAREN: Yes.

SID: For fear they’re going to do something wrong, so they don’t do anything.

KAREN: Yes.

SID: And then they go their whole life doing nothing, and they had a whole destiny ahead of themselves. One of your keys that you talk about is determine that you’re going to be led by God and nothing else.

KAREN: Everybody that I know wants to be led by God. They want to hear his plan. They want to obey him and move, but they don’t necessarily know the track to take. But when we determine that we’re going to be led by him, in other words, Father I’m not going to do anything until I hear from you, that requires several things from us. We first have to seek him. Right? And so if you’re facing a major decision or you’re looking for God’s direction in life, you have to decide, first of all, most important, I’m going to see God about this and nothing else. We make decisions based on money. We make decisions based on lack of money. We make decisions based on circumstances or feelings, or opinions of other people, or we make our own pro-con list, you know, and we have to remember that, like Proverbs 3:5-6 says, “Trust in the Lord with all your heart. Don’t lean to your understanding. In all your ways acknowledge him and he’ll make your path straight.” Our understanding is one thing, but we understand in a very limited way, don’t we?

SID: So give me an example like tragedy hits your whole family. How did this play out?

KAREN: Yes. Well you know, when I was 37 years old and my first husband was 37 years old, he died. We were pastoring a church. He just was sick, suddenly, just went home to be with the Lord. My sons were 12 and 13 years old. And so you can imagine I just had major decisions to make every day, all day instead of taking advice from other people, which is important and good, but you need to weigh everything by what the Holy Spirit is saying to you. And so I had to spend extra, extra time in the Word of God. You know, the Bible is God talking to us and it’s how I walked out this whole, I had to take over pastoring our church and raising teenage sons, and I really needed the Word of the Lord in my life more than anything. And it probably, you know, grounded me inside of me.

SID: Not to mention, even though you sorted it out, you had to, coming from your husband was a graduate of Rhema, too.

KAREN: Yes.

SID: And coming from that background, when something like that happens, it’s just not supposed to happen.

KAREN: Right.

SID: And in addition, having sorting out why your husband died suddenly and having two children to raise, and pastoring a church.

KAREN: Yes. And so I spent that time pressing into his Word. And by that I mean I read it a lot. I meditated on it. I, you know, there’s a scripture in Psalm 119 that says, “Lord [except] for your Word I would have perished in my affliction.” And that was me. I read it like a five-year-old learning to read, ran my hand down the page because the Bible is God talking to us, and that’s how we learn to recognize his voice.

SID: Tell me a little bit more about that because that is key to recognize God’s voice. You said practice, but tell me a little more about that.

KAREN: Well think about it. If the Bible is God talking to us then we need to hear him talking to us. And if we familiarize ourself with the Bible, we read it a lot, we’ll find out how he leads people, how he guides people, what he sounds like, you know. And I use this analogy, because I heard one time that the U.S. Treasury Department trains their agents to recognize a counterfeit bill by giving them the real bills. And they touch them, and they smell them, and they put them under a microscope, and they look at them a long time so that they’re so familiar with the real that if a counterfeit comes along they notice it right away. And what if we as Christians, as believers, as people who love God get into the Word of God so much we understand the real that if a counterfeit idea, you know, the devil comes along or our own voice comes along, we recognize it right away.

SID: Now you were trying to decide something. What was God telling you to do?

KAREN: When I was pastoring our church after my husband passed away and God started talking to me about moving to Tulsa, and I didn’t want to because I loved the Northwest and my family and friends were there, and Tulsa is in the Midwest. And you know, and so I made my own pro-con list, and under pro it said, “Because God said so.” And under con it said, “Because I don’t want to move there and my friends and family are here.” And the con list was about ten things long, and the pro list was about one. And if I had gone by a pro-con list, I would have voted con and stayed there, and been out of God’s will. So we can’t go necessarily by our own idea of a pro-con list.

SID: How did it turn out?

KAREN: It turned out good. I moved to Tulsa and I ended up, you know, got to teach at Rhema and really travel the world, and preach. And so who know where I would be if I hadn’t obeyed God.

SID: If she wasn’t determined to follow God and no one else. Now what is the difference between hearing his audible voice or promptings? Everyone is looking for his audible voice.

KAREN: Yeah. And really most of us are to be led by the inward witness. You know, the Bible teaches us that we are a threefold being. You know, we live in a body. We have a soul, but we are a spirit and the part of us that’s a spirit, the born again part, is just like Jesus. It’s just like God. And so then we are meant to hear his voice. He said in John 10:27, “My sheep hear my voice and they follow me.” And so we are meant to recognize his voice, but we hear it as a prompting from the inward man, from the Spirit, the Holy Spirit speaking to us. I like to call it a knowing in your knower.

SID: Okay. Give me an example of a prompting when you were driving late at night.

KAREN: Yeah. One time I was on I-5 driving, you know. And in my family, if you get tired while you’re driving, I was all by myself, we just pull over to the side of the road and take a nap. And so I was tired, I pulled over, I leaned the seat back and I went to sleep. And I don’t know how long I had been sleeping, but all of a sudden, the Lord just prompted me. I got this inward witness that just woke me up, and I sat bolt upright, and I felt the Holy Spirit say, “Move now.” And so I put the seat up, I started the car, and I moved. And really, that’s the end of the story, which it turned out good because nothing bad happened. Who knows, maybe a, you know, trucker was sleepy and he would have veered off the road right then and squashed my little Honda like a bug. And so, you know, I listened to the Holy Spirit and he gave me that inward witness, and I obeyed him.

SID: Tell me about your son’s experience where you learned how important it is, and listen to this, watch your mouth.

KAREN: Yes. That’s one of the keys to hearing the voice of God because we need to be sure our words agree with the Bible, you know, because the Bible is what we’re following. It’s our roadmap for our destiny. And if we talk opposite of it, say somebody goes in their prayer closet and they say, “Lord, please help me, direct me, guide me, let me know your direction for my life,” and then they come out of their prayer closet and you ask them, “So what are you going to do?” And they go, “I don’t know, I can’t hear from God.” They just said the opposite of what they prayed.

SID: And they got the opposite.

KAREN: Yeah, exactly. And so my son, you know, he was facing graduation. He was an ORU senior and everybody asked him, like you ask all graduates, you know, what are you going to do when you graduate, and he didn’t know. And he hated to have to keep saying, I don’t know, because he’s been praying to know. And so finally one day he said to me, “Mom, I’ve come up with the answer. When people ask me, what are you going to do after graduation, I’m going to say, I’ll know when the time comes.”

SID: Much better.

KAREN: That way he keeps his word in agreement with the Word.

SID: I like that.

KAREN: Yeah.

SID: Okay. When we come back you’re going to find out one of the most important keys. And I mean, it’s been deemphasized in our society and shame on you that are deemphasizing this. It’s called tongues, supernatural languages.

KAREN: Yes.

SID: This is where the power is. We’ll be right back.

SID: Hank Kunneman, one of the first times we got together when we started ministering, you gave me a personal prophecy. And I have to tell you, I, you know, I’ve been around a long time, and so I hear the prophecies and I know the ones that miss it and the ones that get it, and unfortunately too many miss it. But Hank said to me, “You know, Sid,” it was right after we did, I believe, a radio show. He said, “You know, Sid, I see you not being,” he didn’t use this word, I will, “a wandering Jew going from one studio to another to do your television show. You’re going to have your own studio. You’re going to have your own, the Lord is telling me you’re going to have your own equipment.” And do your remember telling me, prophesying that?

HANK: Yes I do. I remember that.

SID: You even went a step further though. He told me the name of the person that was going to sell me this studio, the studio you see today, he prophesied before I even knew about it. But you know, there’s so, thank you. You know, there are so many prophecies I’d like to talk to you about, but one in particular. For Oral Roberts to talk about you being the most accurate prophet he knows, you actually, if I understand right according to notes, you prophesied his death.

HANK: Yes, his going home actually.

SID: Tell me about that.

HANK: Yes. His wife had gone home to be with the Lord and I said to myself, he really wanted to go be with his wife.

SID: I know.

HANK: And I said, “What are you going to do?” He was 89. I said, “What are you going to do when you’re 91? And there shall be the sounds of Christmas bells, and just before Christmas, there shall be a gathering of angels and there shall be a welcoming home of you as one of God’s great generals that have walked this earth.” And he actually, December 15th on my dad’s birthday, at 91.

SID: Now I was told.

HANK: [unintelligible].

SID: Yes, that’s what I was told. He got upset with Hank because he was ready to see his wife and go to Heaven.

HANK: That’s right. He was ready to go then, but the Lord told him what age.

SID: Well there’s so many other things we can talk about. Just to kind of establish the authenticity of your words, you had some prophecies over former President Bill Clinton. Tell me about that.

HANK: You know, I was doing a series of meetings in the southern part of the United States and I was praying for one particular meeting. And all of a sudden I went into a vision, and this was back, I think around the 1995ish, right around when Bill Clinton, and I saw him actually open a door and walk into what looked like a hallway or a closet and a young woman with dark hair met him. And the Word of the Lord said, “What shall be done and is being done in the higher office of the land should release the spirit of perversion upon the nation.” And we’ve seen how that has been the case and, you know, obviously there is the Lord’s forgiveness for such a thing. But it did release a lot on the nation, you know, that we’re still dealing with today. So yeah, that was one prophecy that did happen.

SID: Did you see that he would win two times?

HANK: Yeah I did, yeah.

SID: I’ll tell you one of the biggest questions I have is there are so many prophets prophesying destruction. I’ve had them on my show. I love them. They’re wonderful men and women of God. And here’s you saying things are, this is the best time we’ve ever had on Planet Earth. How could so many are seeing gloom and doom?

HANK: Let me tell you about an experience of the Lord. This was just recently. I went before the Lord and he was grieved for two days. And I kept pressing God saying, God, “I want an answer. What are you grieved about?” And the Lord began to deal with me, and he said, “Hank,” he said, “too many are prophesying the obvious.” If I say to you, Sid, that there are going to be more droughts. There’s going to be more school shootings, unfortunately, you know, you would say, well wow. Well that’s obvious. We are in a season that’s evil, but God is invading it with his good. And so the Lord said, “There’s many that are prophesying according to the spirit of fear.” You know, fear is a very powerful spirit. It’s a spirit and it’s what the enemy is using to push back the Glory. You see, many are prophesying—

SID: Excuse me. That was too good to slip over so fast.

HANK: Yes.

SID: You’re saying to me that the enemy is using a lot of this. They don’t even need prophets. You just watch the news.

HANK: Right.

SID: To push back the Glory. Why does this negativity push back the Glory?

HANK: Well let me give you an example. Because in Y2K, you remember Y2K.

SID: Of course. We all do.

HANK: I had a visitation from the Lord and there was a scroll given to me by an angel in the vision, and it said, “Tell my people that this is not going to be as they say. And tell the people that fear, the spirit, is trying to push back the Glory and the spirit of fear is trying to cross the new millennial line ahead of my church and is using the church.” Because see, Jesus said, “When two or more agree as touching any one thing upon this earth, it will be established.” When we got into agreement with the spirit of fear, watch this, we got into agreement with the spirit of fear, it unleashed the spirit of fear and a year later, our towers fell in New York City. And we still are battling that spirit that was allowed to come when we were storing up and looking at things by way of fear rather than does God have a plan for the new millennium. And so the Lord was saying, even with the prophets, you know, and he said we have to be wise because prophecy, and tapping into the prophetic, is like a radio. It’s frequencies. And Moses had to go above the dark cloud where God was to get a different perspective or a higher perspective. There is a realm, if we’re not careful, we as prophets can here the secrets of God. We can also hear the plans of the enemy and if we’re not careful we can prophesy the plans of the enemy as if it’s the Spirit of God. And that’s why sometimes there’s a confusion. So God is saying we need to come up higher.

SID: We have to tap into the right frequency.

HANK: Right.

SID: And I can see that because if you agree with the spirit, oh someone’s neck was just healed. If you agree with the Spirit of God, if two or more agree touching any one thing that will happen, what if you agree with the spirit of the god with a small “g” of this age? You see, I believe the media and unfortunately many prophets are tapping into the second heaven rather than higher up, the third heaven where God is. When we come back I want Hank to answer that question because he’s heard from God on this. We’ll be right back.

Sid: My guest on the telephone is Pastor Anita Hill. Anita is Pastor at Pleasant Valley Church in Thomaston, Georgia. Last week I sure hope you were listening because we had Pastor Henry Wright from the same church. And he was talking about how God is showing him that there are doorways and they are very specific for each specific disease. And when you can close this doorway you can stop that disease from its very roots. And as you know I have been searching, and I’m not going to be satisfied until I see what Jesus said in the New Testament He said “You’ll do the same works I’ve done and even greater.” Well, that is our minimum and I’m not satisfied until we hit that and as a matter of fact Jesus didn’t turn anyone down and Jesus healed everyone that came to Him. And I want nothing short of that and so I’ve been looking for the keys. And I believe that we’re on to a key that I’m so excited about. And I have a woman on the phone Anita Hill who is also a Pastor at Pleasant Valley Church in Thomaston, Georgia. She is a nurse and a teacher and her job there is identified the roots of diseases. Anita you’ve identified the roots of something like 500 diseases.

Anita: Well, collectively we have led by the basic teaching from the word that Pastor Henry Wright has set the stage for the roots of many diseases and then we have extrapolated from that and recognized other illnesses that have a commonality with some of the diseases that he already recognized.

Sid: Now let’s just kind of recap, for the Mishpochah, because you’re testimony is in the book we’re offering this week called “The More Excellent Way.” The book identifies at least 17 diseases that you had. You were a nice atheist stuck in a body, the New Age couldn’t help you, nothing could help you. You had environmental illnesses to the point where all of your hair fell out and you couldn’t wear clothing. You could only, for a time, eat beets, you were on oxygen for 11 years, you had a rare kidney disease, hypothyroidism, you had organic brain syndrome, you had multiple chemical sensitivity, just cervical and lumbar osteoarthritis. You had kidney problems, you had psychiatric diseases, you had tendonitis, bursitis, bladder infection, it goes on and on. You were legally blind in both eyes, your mental problems were so bad that you spent many years in a mental institution, you were catatonic at times. You had such a horrible background being raised and so you’re in one of these let’s call it a safe house because of the environmental problems that you had. You’re with a nice Jewish girlfriend roommate and she’s in law school graduate from Harvard University but she has this bad disease it’s environmental. And all of a sudden she’s a believer in Jesus and she get’s healed. What affect did this have on you because you tried New Age and it didn’t help?

Anita: Right and I would like to mention that I was legally blind without my glasses and now I can pass the Georgia test without my glasses and my doctor says “That that is a real miracle,” the eye doctor. But when she called she wanted to get some things out of storage at my house and immediately hearing her voice I knew something was different. And she wasn’t going to tell me because so many people had given her a bad time time about maybe even being a Christian let alone being a healed by God. So she was holding back but she finally told me and immediately when she told me her story about her healing and that she had accepted Jesus Christ as her Savior I knew I wanted to know this Living God. And I wasn’t as sure about getting healed of all of my diseases, but I had known this God earlier in my life and I wanted to reconnect out of that. And I immediately called a friend of mine who was my astrologer and I did pendulum readings for her.

Sid: Oi vey!

Anita: And she began weeping and I said “Why are you weeping you’re not a Christian because I’m going to have to give up my guru.” Immediately it was like she knew.

Sid: You know it reminds me almost of my Jewish mother and that is that even before she was a believer she was going around witnessing to people. It’s…anyway you get this Henry Wright on the telephone what does he say to you?

Anita: Well, I get in touch with his ministry and one of his ministers started teaching me the word over the phone because I was in no position to go all of the way from ministry was in Florida at the time and I was in San Francisco on oxygen for 11 years in a foil-lined room. And barely able to wear any clothing, I finally could wear some silk and linen and it’s a bit of a stretch when you’re paying $200 for your sheets but I…

Sid: Because any other type of sheet you would be allergic to.

Anita: I could only do linen and silk. And I did not have a bed to sleep in for 11 years I slept on a metal frame that was only about 24 inches wide.

Sid: Why didn’t you sleep on a bed?

Anita: Because I couldn’t tolerate mattresses and all of the chemicals that would be in mattresses.

Sid: Anita you must really know what it really is to suffer you must have tremendous compassion for people that are suffering.

Anita: I do. One of the ways that I am effective in ministry is that people say “I know you know the kind of thing I’ve gone through.” And I always tell them “I can’t know exactly how they feel but I know what it’s like to suffer.” But I also know what it’s like to be victorious in Christ because God heals me.

Sid: And for those that are just tuning in for the first time this is nothing compared to all she’s been healed of but she’s 68 years young and most people when they see her they think she’s in her 40’s. And you’re almost a sign and a wonder just by your appearance.

Anita: Right when I first came to the ministry I had to have people hold me up on both sides because I was so allergic to grass and trees or if I smelled car exhaust on the street I would fall. I would fall several times a day and even in my home let alone in the streets and they would try to take me out for a walk when I came to the ministry and would assist me like this. Within a week I was jogging down that same street. And since I’ve been healed even though I’ve previously had osteoarthritis in my spine I was able to go to Switzerland and climb mountain trails and that was a real victory.

Sid: What about your kidneys?

Anita: Well I had been on artificial kidney machine because I took 60 sleeping pills and was in a coma for a month and my kidneys shut down. And from being on the artificial kidney machine I developed a rare kidney disorder and could not hold on to calcium or potassium. And had to carry bottles of it around with me because I’d start having heart attack symptoms and this went on for 11 years and God also healed that.

Sid: Now when you went into the ministry could you eat normal food?

Anita: No, I came to the ministry and I told them that they would have to get some organic beets for me. I had a…

Sid: I mean that’s quite an appetite I mean beets that’s the only thing that you could eat?

Anita: Without severe reactions at one point I…

Sid: Weren’t you sick of beets?

Anita: Yes I was, but at least they didn’t make me critically ill. I would get heart attack systems if I ate some foods like beef and so forth. So I had to take an injection for every food that I ate, they neutralized me at the hospital in Texas for even lettuce would put me out for days with pain in my joints and depression and whatever. So after while I could no longer afford to take the shots and I also started reacting to them it was becoming more sensitive. So it was like playing Russian roulette to eat anything. I did eat some foods even though they made me very sick because I wanted to stay alive. But at the point where I got that phone call from my friend I had really decided to turn my face to wall and die and let myself starve and not take water anymore. I couldn’t even drink water without severe reaction and had to have a glass distiller in order to process my water.

Sid: So you’re saying if God hadn’t interceded in your life you would have probably taken you like if you hadn’t died naturally at that point.

Anita: Right at that point I couldn’t take it any more I had had 56 years of suffering from the time I was born. My first suicide attempt was at the age of 8. And throughout my life I made many attempts on my life because I felt I just didn’t belong in this world.

Sid: After a few weeks what was your eating like when you went to Henry Wrights.

Anita: Guess what, I went to after one week I went to a Jewish deli that had a gas leak and had a pastrami sandwich and I also had cheesecake.

Sid: If you hadn’t been healed what affect would that had had on you?

Anita: Well one I wouldn’t have gotten in the door with the gas leak I would have collapsed at the door probably started having heart attack symptoms. If I drank the milk I probably would have become suicidal you know with the cheesecake with the milk in it. And with the beef I would have become very disoriented. I guess that’s what pastramis from. And the bread with wheat I would have been totally out of my mind with reaction.

Sid: Listen, we’re out of time. The reason we’re interviewing her Mishpochah and I’m saying there’s nothing going on in your life to compare like this. If God could heal Anita He can heal you if God wanted to heal Anita He wants to heal you.

Sid: Now several weeks ago I gave you a very fast update on what happened in Israel. But there was so much that happened that, it’s so significant prophetically that I felt I’d take this whole week and tell you a bit about my adventure in the land of Israel. It started out with my sister and brother-in-law emailing me and saying “Sid I feel it’s time for you to come to the land and we can set up some evangelistic meetings for you.” I felt “Well, that sounds good.” We had them set up and there were some special things they were doing to get a lot of unsaved people there. See my sister and brother-in-law made Aliyah about a year and a half ago. And they’re in their 60’s. And God gave my sister a dream and they had it made; their retired their family is doing well they have a wonderful congregation, and everything was going wonderful for them. And they had no desire to go Israel in the midst of the intifada, the war but my sister had a dream in which God made it very clear that they were called the land of Israel. And so they cut their ties and they went and imagine over 60 their learning Hebrew. You know what even more unbelievable they love it, they absolutely love it. You know when you’re in the center of God’s will it doesn’t matter that an intifada’s going on, it doesn’t matter what happens, all that counts is to be in the center of God’s will. And He says “I’ll keep you in perfect peace if you’ll keep your eyes on Me.”

I talked to my sister and brother-in-law “Do you have any fear, do you have any concerns about walking down the center of the street there’s suicide bombers and all of these things going on.” And you know when you’re in the land of Israel it’s not like the United States you see people all over with guns at their side. I mean it’s just… when you go into a restaurant and they frisk you; most Americans have never lived under this type of atmosphere and I can tell you that they’re in such peace.

So anyway they invited me to come to Israel and then I had a childhood disease which caused a deteriorated hipbone and the prognosis was “Someday you’ll need surgery.” We didn’t know when the someday was but of course I was believing God for a new hip from the parts room in heaven. I really believe that God does these things and will do these things after all He says “Is anything impossible for Me.” But the pain got unbearable and I decided it hasn’t manifested yet I’m going to have the surgery. So I didn’t go to Israel. And then I decided that I would go again the dates worked out for me to be there about a week before Rosh Hashanah, the Jewish New Year the Feast of Trumpets. And I talked to a friend of mine that’s a prophet his name is Bob Jones and I told him I was going to Israel I’d appreciate prayer for me while I’m there. And he said “Will you be there over Rosh Hashanah?” And I said “No, I’m leaving the land about a week before.” And he said “Oh, too bad God is showing me He’s going to pour out His Spirit on Israel in a very sovereign way starting in Rosh Hashanah.” And he said “I’m not prophesying you’re supposed to be there but it’s just too bad that you’re not going to.” I mean that’s like waving a red flag in front of a bull. (Laughing) I mean “If You’re going to pour out Your Spirit God I want to be where you pour It out.” So I decided I’d do a fleece I wrote am email to Pat Robertson and I’m going to be in Israel and I could extend my trip a few days if you would like to do a live update from Jerusalem on Rosh Hashanah. And low and behold got a call back almost immediately and they said “Yes.” So I had to be in Israel an extra week, that’s 2 weeks.

So I really felt that God had something special for me there and I’ll tell you if nothing else, if nothing else to see what God is doing in that land the way it builds your faith to see all of these ancient promises that have come true. “As long as there’s a sun and moon and stars they’ll be a physical Jew on the face of this earth.” That from the 4 corners of the earth God will suddenly cause Israel to become a nation in a day.” That’s what it says in Isaiah “A nation will be formed in a day and the Jewish people will be preserved, will be restored to that land.” And to just go there and see that is I mean such a boost in ones faith. And so one of the things that happened while I was there is I called a friend of mine that’s a close friend of Derrick Prince. Now Derrick Prince wrote… I interviewed him a number of times, he wrote a forward in one of my books. And as far as I’m concerned he’s one of the greatest Bible scholars. So I talked to this friend and this friend said… the friend’s name was Lance Lambert, and Lance said “Well, Derrick’s in the hospital and he’s not doing very well.” And then he hung up and the next day he was promoted; he went on to be with the Father in heaven. I got a hold of a newsletter, this was the last newsletter that Derrick Prince sent out just before he was promoted. And I’ve got to read this to you this is what he says:

Over the past 3 years God has been telling me again and again that He has planted me here in Israel; He has promised me that I will abide where He has planed me the result will be abundant fruit.

And I have to interject that’s what I saw on this trip abundant fruit. Then let me read another part of this newsletter. These were like his last words before he died:

Over the past several years I’ve been exercised in my mind over Romans 1:16. And Romans 1:16 says “I’m not ashamed of the gospel of Messiah for it is the power of God to salvation to everyone who believes. To the Jew first, and also for the Greek

Then he goes on to say:

Some Christians offer only an historical interpretation of these words. Suggesting that they mean that the gospel was first presented to the Jews then later to the Gentiles, but that is not what Paul actually says. He says that the gospel still is for the Jews first, then for the Greek. It describes not merely a fact of history, but also a permanent order which God has ordained for the dissemination of the gospel. It is significant that Paul himself, who was the apostle of the uncircumcision, that is the Gentiles, regularly began his ministry in any city by approaching the Jewish community. I believe that we should still follow the same order in the presentation of the gospel today. I feel that we please God by reserving a special place for the ministry of the gospel to the Jewish people especially in their land.

Wow! This is what I’d been proclaiming for years. It’s almost like from heaven because he’s in heaven right now and I get this newsletter and he’s saying what the Spirit of God has been showing me for years. That, when we go to the Jew first it opens up because when you’re doing what God says to do you can’t miss. When you go to the Jew first it is God’s eternal law of evangelism. It opens up a supernatural door to reach all people. When you go to all people you don’t take advantage of that supernatural door. It’s like in Genesis 12:3 God says “I God will bless those who bless the Jewish people, and I will curse those who curse them.” So when you reach out to the Jew first with evangelism it’s like planting a seed. When you plant that seed it opens the door to reach all people, it’s so simple you need help to get confused.

So when I read that it got me so excited, then something else, I was actually at his funeral in Jerusalem. When I was there they mentioned his last prophetic word to the church. He was asked the question “What do you see as far as where we are right now?” This is what he said just days before he was promoted to heaven. He said 2 things, he didn’t have to think it just came right out of his mouth.

1. Restoring Israel – this is what God is doing. Number 1 restoring Israel.
2. Judging the nations – that’s so articulate and so correct.

You know the Feast of Trumpets, and that’s what I was in Israel for, or Rosh Hashanah, you blow the shofar. The shofar represents many things: Announcing royalty – when you hear that shofar blast the king is ready to come. I believe that what is about ready to happen in Israel today. It is not an accident that they have had an unusually high rain fall this year, almost record amounts of rain. Well rain is symbolic of the Holy Spirit. I believe it’s showing us there’s an outpouring of God’s Spirit, and that prophecy I heard by Bob Jones I believe that started on Rosh Hashanah, the King is about ready to come.

The second thing the shofar does is a warning. It tells you that there’s danger on the horizon. I have to tell when I was in Israel, and it was very early in the morning and I was just waking up, I had as close to an audible voice as I’ve ever heard in my life and the voice said “Economic judgment.” Now that’s all this voice said and I believe it was God. My interpretation was economic judgment on the United States for coming against Israel.

Do you remember John McTernan who I interviewed on Messianic Vision? He said that every time the United States of America has come against Israel they’ve had a warning judgment of some natural disaster or catastrophe.

Sid: I have a friend on the telephone Dr. Mark Gabriel. I’m speaking to him somewhere in Florida. That is not his real name because previously he was a professor of Islamic history at the most prestigious Islamic university in the world. We found out on yesterday’s broadcast he began to question the contradictions that he saw in the Quran. The Secret Police got ahold of him, he wasn’t a believer in Jesus he just questioned all of these contradictions that were there. They put him in a prison for 3 days without food and water, they whipped him, he was supernaturally protected. He cried out to God he didn’t even know who God was but he said “God help me.” They put a vicious dog in the same cell with him that was very hungry and the dog started licking him rather than killing him. They put in water with rats swimming up to his head and these rats were hungry and they didn’t harm him either. He was wondering “Who’s this God that’s protecting me?” So time went on… you went to a pharmacy because you had… what did you have a bad headache?

Mark: I had one… I lived for 1 year without faith because I’m already I lost my faith in Islam. I spent a whole year questioning myself searching for the true God who can be. I ask myself its can be the God of Hinduism?” I said “No no no God can’t be a cow. He must be more greater than that.”

Sid: So it wasn’t a God of Hinduism, okay.

Mark: So I just come really during that year I had a terrible headache because I never stopped asking myself, searching, and questioning you see about the true God who can be. The One who delivered me from the prison, the One He delivered me from the hand of the persecutors you see. One day I went to the doctor pharmacy, I was always going to this pharmacy to get this type of headache tablet. So when I went to there one day and the doctor pharmacy and she know me, she know my family, and she was really wondering what’s really going on in my life. She was worried I was going to be addicted for these tablets. She told me “What’s going on in your life? Why you keep taking these tablets all the time? I am worried about you.” I told her I don’t know just because I can’t sleep every night I can’t sleep. She asked me “What’s going on?” So I told her “I’m searching for my God. I searched, I don’t know He is the God of Judaism, the God of Christianity, the god of Islam I do know him exactly. I know his story exactly, but the God Judaism, the God of Hinduism I don’t know who is the true God can be.” She just smiled and she told me “Okay I’m going to give you these tablets like always, but I’m going to give you this book this is my Bible. Take and before you take your tablets tonight open it and try to read something and see how you’re going to feel. If you will feel nothing just close it and go ahead and take your tablets.” So I take the Bible from her, I take the tablets also. I went to my home and I sit in my room and I start to read the Bible before I take the tablets and find myself I start to read in Matthew chapter 5 the sermon of the mountain. I was shocked when I start to read and see what the Lord Jesus Christ telling His disciples and the crowd was sitting around Him. My brain automatically start to bring the Quranic teaching about Jesus. During my reading of the sermon of the mountain, I felt that the Lord Himself He did this appointment with me and came tonight to reach out to my heart and to introduce Himself to me and to give me the true picture about Him who is Jesus. So I was shocked by His teaching “Love your enemies.” I love my enemies how come? How come Islam does not teach me in all my life to love my enemy? Islam does teach “Eye by eye, and a tooth by tooth.” Islam does not teach me to love my enemy. So “Bless who curse you.” I find the word afterward in the sermon of the mountain came as a clear message to present to me the true picture about the heavenly God, about the heart of God towards His creation His people. I did discover that yes this is it the true God.

Sid: Now you told people about this and you were kicked out of the university, you were kicked out of the mosque, and as a matter of fact 2 men were sent to kill you. What happened?

Mark: One day I was just walking back to my home and 2 guys they came and because they wasn’t understanding and they was believed I was kicked from the mosque, and I was kicked from the university. They was thinking I am converted from Islam… particularly with Muslims they see some person leave Islam, or they are thinking that he became a Christian. So this is why they came and they tried to end my life. Why? Because they want to please God because the Islamic law says “The judgment of the apostasy, the person who’s going to leave Islam the judgment is for him must be killed.” The person who’s going to kill me he’s going to honor Allah for killing me. Let’s say you’re going to see in my book when my father he came and discovered my conversion and he came to kill me himself, my father, my own father, I am his blood and flesh, but he want to honor Allah in his life. The desire of Allah for him is more than his son.

Sid: How did you survive with these 2 men they stabbed you why weren’t you killed?

Mark: They stabbed me when they saw the blood comes from everywhere in my body I fainted and I fell on the floor and they think I was finished. There was lots of cowards and they ran away quickly, they do not want to wait more so they can catch by the police or something like that. They ran away and the police they came and they take me from the ground and they called the hospital car and they take me to the hospital.

Sid: When your father came to kill you with a gun what happened?

Mark: I was standing outside my house, my father he was talking to me and he find out that there is a chain around my neck. This chain carries the cross but the cross it was covered by my t-shirt. I received that cross from a Christian guy and I meet with him in South Africa when my father sent me to South Africa for a business trip for his business. My father came and asked me “You are the Imam, you are… How come you put a chain around your neck?” According to the Islamic and Arabic culture if a man puts a chain around his neck this is very bad.

Sid: The chain with the cross?

Mark: But he didn’t see the cross.

Sid: Oh, just the chain was upsetting.

Mark: Yeah I don’t know who moved my time to tell him “No my father this is not a chain, this is a cross.” I took the cross and I showed him “Now I believe in Jesus Christ He is my Lord and my Savior.” When I told him this he just fainted on the floor, he’s on the ground. When he fainted on the ground I discovered, I understand that my father that he will end my life. He will not leave me to go away, so I ran away from him to my sister’s house; I ran from him. My brother’s and some people from our neighborhood they came and helped him and when he stand up he take his handgun and he just looked for me and he find me just far away from him and he starts shooting towards me. The Lord just delivered me from his bullets. I ran to my sister’s house and from there I start to commit my situation to the Lord in my prayer and ask the Lord to show me where I’m going to that evening, and how I’m going to live in this country.

Sid: We’ll let them read the full story in the book, but Mark I want to now fast forward this is now 10 years later. I must understand what is the goal of Islam in reference to the United States of America?

Mark: The goal of Islam before September 11 maybe 20 or 50 years ago was perpetrated by the Islamic Mission Activity to reach out to America and to convert the American to Islam. Ultimately they will see America will become an Islamic country. The same way they did in England.

Sid: You know… well tell me how did they do it in England that might interesting?

Mark: In England they did also they did that through the Muslim Mission Activity. Building mosques, building Muslim schools, Muslim cemeteries…

Sid: I see all over America there are mosques coming up.

Mark: It is more than 200 mosques in the city of London itself.

Sid: Hmm.

Mark: Yes.

Sid: In your book you talk about there is 3 stages of Jihad, or a holy war. So what are those 3 stages?

Mark: The 3 stages it was presented by the life of Mohammed himself. This is the example for the Muslims and the Muslim movement around the world today. The first stage is the Weaker Time or the Weaker Stage. Weaker stage means the time when Mohammed was living in Mecca for 12 years. He has no power, he has not many people living around him, he has no ability to fight his enemies or the people that stand against him. So this is the Weaker Stage, and the Muslim he must require by the Quran and the Hadith he must have patience and must prepare himself for the second stage.

Sid: Now in that weakened stage would Muslims obey the law in the land if they’re just a small minority?

Mark: Yes they can do that yes.

Sid: The goal then is to increase their numbers I would assume.

Mark: To increase their numbers and start to prepare themselves for establishing a power.

Sid: Okay what is the second…

Mark: The second stage.

Sid: Tell me… explain the second stage.

Mark: The second stage is when Muslims they going to settle somewhere and they’re going to increase their number and they’re going to use their mission activity reaching out to people…

Sid: I’m sorry we’re out of time.

Sid: My guest by way of telephone is Robert Inguanzo I’m speaking to him at his home in Lincoln Park, New Jersey. He got hit with AIDS he had such an amazing miracle that happened because he was in a prayer meeting and God gave him a vision. In this vision he saw the condition of the church and what did the Lord show you?

Robert: Well he showed me it’s like I could see inside of the people; it’s like I could see what they were feeling and I could see that they were not really Christians like God wanted Christians to be. I remember the Holy Spirit would speak to me as I was looking at all of this and He told me “Robert I want the Christians to go into the depth of Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ isn’t like just a story that you read it’s something… Jesus Christ is the person, He’s a real person He’s a loving God He wants us to be intimate with Him. He wants us to be able to talk to Him, He wants to prepare us to hear His voice, He wants intimacy with His church and that’s what the church isn’t going through right now. The church needs a renewal, it needs a restoration.” As I was seeing all of this I remember I’m crying and crying and crying and I kept feeling that pain in my chest and it was the same pain that Jesus was feeling. And Sid it was really such a strong pain and I remember after that I had such a desire to reach out to the Christians and say “Listen Jesus is real and there’s much more.” I remember that the Holy Ghost said “Robert there’s so much more that God has to offer there’s so much more that He has for His church.” And I remember that He said “Christians their goal was always to be baptized with the Holy Spirit and speak and tongues and all of this.” And He said that “A lot of times that people would stop there and he would show me that being baptized with Holy Spirit was only the beginning that was like the open door to the supernatural to a new level, to a new dimension.

Sid: What is the next step you would advise people to take that are born again and baptized in the Holy Spirit and speaking in unknown tongues what is the next step?

Robert: Well what we need as Christians is to have a hunger ask God for a hunger for Him.

Sid: So that’s the next step.

Robert: Yes.

Sid: Pray God give me a hunger for you beyond what I have? Now what about your AIDS? You didn’t just have HIV you had full blown AIDS not only was it full blown AIDS you had a type of AIDS that’s called multi-generation AIDS. Which means that if they gave you medicine it would mutate to the point that where (One month) even if the medicine helped it wouldn’t help there was absolutely no hope for you; what about the AIDS? What is your condition today and where did you come from?

Robert: Well Sid my condition is that my immune system was 99% gone and thank God that after 4½ years it’s gone up up and up and it’s like I always say “God heals in so many different says.”

Sid: Okay there’s something called the T-Cell count which gives us an indication of your immune system. How low did your T-Cell get?

Robert: My T-Cell T4 is the same thing; my immune system went down to 2 just 2 T-4; 2-T-Cells.

Sid: That sounds like someone that’s almost dead; well you were told that you only had 4 months to live.

Robert: I not only have 4 months to live but it was nothing they could do at all; I remember I would get all of these headaches and I would get all of these diseases and I would go to the hospital and they would send you home because they said “Robert you’re on every kind of medication and there’s nothing else that we can do for you.” And Sid that would be like so depressing when you hear something like that and you have a family.

Sid: Okay what is your T-Count today? It was 2 what is it today?

Robert: It’s over 800.

Sid: Now this was a gradual healing how long did it take?

Robert: It took like I said like 4½ years to get up to 800.

Sid: And what about the AIDS virus itself, I mean the T-count has to do with the immune system what about the AIDS virus what did the tests show?

Robert: The tests show that there is no AIDS virus in my blood at all and that’s one of the greatest miracles I have paper work proving what I’m saying that it’s true. A lot of people might not understand exactly what it is but I don’t base myself only on the paperwork of the doctors even when my immune system was low I remember I would be reading scriptures like Isaiah 53 that would say “By His stripes I was healed.” And that’s the paperwork I really based my life on is the scriptures, is the word of God. I would take God’s for His word more than what the doctors were telling me because the doctors were only telling me bad news but then I would read the Bible and I would see something completely different. And all I had to do was just believe, just believe that the word of God is actually the word of God; it’s inspired by God. Yes it was written by man but it’s inspired by the Holy Spirit.

Sid: Give me a scripture that you might have meditated on and tell me what you did and tell me what the scripture said, pick one.

Robert: Okay well my favorite scriptures were Isaiah 53 “By His stripes were healed” and the lady with issue of blood.

Sid: Tell me about the lady with the issue of blood.

Robert: The lady with the issue, I compare myself so much to her Sid here was a lady she had gone to so many different doctors there was so much for so many years for 12 years. I can imagine this lady was in the same condition that I was in a way because she had a lot of money. Obviously if you go to a doctor 12 years for different doctors you know that she must have had a lot of money. After the 12 years she had spent everything that she had which was exactly what happened to me I had gone to so many different doctors there was nothing else I could do. But this lady with the issue of blood after she had spent everything, after she had done everything she could somebody told her about Jesus because the Bible says that she heard about Jesus so she heard about Jesus. So obviously she was told about Jesus. When she heard about Jesus it happened just like me when I heard that Jesus really, really did heal it was like a spark inside of me. And this lady with the issue of blood when she heard about Jesus she had to go and see Jesus and touch Jesus but she had a great problem that she wasn’t allowed by the law of Moses to be in crowds because of her condition she would be stoned to death if they would find her. But she didn’t care she was desperate and that’s exactly how I was I was desperate. And this lady she pushed herself through the crowd and just touched the hem of Jesus of Jesus’ garment. And if you read the scriptures carefully you will see that she kept repeating to herself, that’s how the original text explains it the original text explains it as she’s pushing through. The crowd she kept saying “If I only touch the hem of His garment. And when she touched the hem of His garment it was a touch of faith, it was a touch of faith so much so that Jesus Himself felt an anointing come out of Him. If you keep reading you’ll see how He turned around and was looking for her and again if you look into the original you’ll see when He was looking for her she was actually hiding behind the people so that Jesus wouldn’t know who she was or what happened she was hiding it wasn’t just that He didn’t see her he didn’t see her because she was hiding that’s how the original explains it. And that’s exactly what happened to me I reached out when there was no other hope and when I got to touch the hem of Jesus’ garment that ‘s when I received the healing. Even though everything else all the other diseases disappeared instantly the AIDS, it took a long time it took almost 4½ years to where it is now.

Sid: Now today you have so much faith your family has so much faith having seen all of these miracles that occurred in your life you’re praying for people that are being healed. I want you to tell me about 1 person describe 1 person that had incurable cancer that was healed that you prayed for.

Robert: Well there is so many but I know that there’s this one there’s this one lady she was already completely bald and I mean it was so sad looking at her and I just first of all I gave her my testimony how it was because I know that everything has to do with believing and having faith in God’s word. So I would tell her how it happened with me and how… what the doctors had said and everything and I would just pray for her and you know little by little she started getting stronger and stronger. There’s another case of another person that was going to die with pancreatic cancer and that person got stronger and stronger and stronger.

Sid: Was she cured?

Robert: Yes, yes, yes okay that’s what I want to hear….