Sid Roth

SID: My guest is Ryan Bruss, and it’s kind of a reversal for him because he’s one of our producers, and he’s usually analyzing what’s going on and giving direction rather than being in that chair. But he wrote a book that I am really, really excited about. Carrying the Presence, the presence of God. But you have an approach that is very, very different. But for starters, what do you mean by carrying the presence?

RYAN: Well, Jesus said “Pray this way. Thy kingdom come, thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven.” So whatever is going on in heaven, Jesus says bring it to earth. Bring it here. And because Jesus lives inside us, we carry the kingdom wherever we go, whether we’re at home, our job, work, right in this studio, we’re carriers of the presence. And right now, Sid, the Lord has been speaking to me all day, right now is a time for ordinary people with ordinary lives, doing extraordinary things for God. I mean, now is the time. Two-thirds of God’s name is go, so we might as well just do it. We might as well just go and preach the gospel, heal the sick, cleanse the leper, and cast out devils.

SID: Tell me a bit about the supernatural early on.

RYAN: Well, I was born again 40 years ago. I know I don’t look that old, Sid, but I was born again 40 years ago, and my dad died of cancer when I was 12. And right after he died, my mom looked at us three kids, looked up to heaven, said “You know what, I’m not going to do this by myself. You guys are going to get filled with the Holy Ghost.” And so that night we all got full of the Holy Ghost. He stays—

SID: All of you?

RYAN: All three of us, just like that.

SID: Did you speak in tongues?

RYAN: All speaking tongues. Yeah, we went … I’m telling you, I can remember like it was yesterday. We were laying on our bed, my brother in his and me in my bed. We were just speaking in tongues all night at just 12 years old, 10 years old. And so we didn’t have a lot of money growing up at all, because my father died. The cancer just ate through our finances, and we literally had to lay our hands on appliances and believe for them to work. We had to … True story, we had to pray over the food that it would multiply in our home. In fact, my mom said, I remember it, again, like it was yesterday. We sat on the front of our house, me, my brother and sister, and my mom, saying “You’re going to pray, we’re all going to pray in the Spirit until groceries pull up in our driveway.”.

So we sat there, she said “Close your eyes,” probably because she didn’t know what to expect. But we closed our eyes and I had one eye open as I was praying, [speaking tongues], you know, and sure enough, Sid, a car pulls up in our driveway and brought us a whole car load of groceries.

SID: I don’t know about you, Brian, but seeing that direct, amazing answer to prayer was more important than the groceries. I don’t know. You might have said the groceries.

RYAN: Well, the groceries, that filled our stomach, that was the good part. But I grew up in a house with the supernatural, because you know my mom personally, she’s a seer. And so we couldn’t get away with anything.

SID: What does seer mean?

RYAN: A seer is somebody that has her eyes opened to the spirit realm. But I grew up with my mom seeing angels with us. I could tell you hundreds of stories of the glory angels, because that’s just how we grew up.

SID: As a young man you were a dreamer, and God started speaking to you in dreams.

RYAN: I didn’t have anybody. Because I grew up without a father, didn’t have anybody to mentor me. So the Holy Spirit took over, and he would mentor me on what to do about this, what to do about that. And as a teenager, I had a dream where all these dirt clods were coming down a conveyor belt, and my job was to break them open and get to the center. And in the center I saw a diamond, and the Lord said “That’s part of your ministry, is to help people see their value and worth before me.”

SID: You say we have answers to everyone’s need inside of us. Does everyone have answers to everyone’s need, or just you?

RYAN: Well, I have some good answers. But if you are born again, you carry God with you. And the big revelation that the Lord is trying to speak to me about, Sid, is that you have to … Everybody, if you call yourself a Christian, you have to begin to understand that you carry the Father, Son, and the Holy Spirit with you. So everywhere you go, things are going to start happening. God is going to move. Bring the kingdom into your finances and bring the kingdom into your spouse’s life. Bring the kingdom to your kids or any area of your life.

SID: Now, in 1996 you went to Pensacola, Florida. Tell me what that experience brought to you, besides a wife.

RYAN: It did bring me, that was good. And later on, kids. But the beautiful thing about the Brownsville Revival is, because I thought it was already, this is 1996 I went there, I thought I was already on fire for God until I went to a revival. And then you know where you’re at with God. And it totally changed my life. As you know, I ended up working for Steve Hill, but it totally changed my life. See, revival wrecks you. I’m a pastor of our church now. I get frustrated when I don’t see and feel what I felt in revival. We don’t go to the past, but if it’s not at least that, I need something else. I need the glory, I need more of God, because I know what is available.

SID: But you went out in the streets there with … But then you didn’t just go out in the streets witnessing, how many people did you have with you on the street?

RYAN: On the weekends we had sometimes 275 people that would hit the streets and evangelize. It was awesome. And one of the greatest testimonies that came out of that is, there was a man by the name of Chacho. He was going into a bar, and our group of students just said “Hey, can we talk to you?” Anybody can say that, “Hey, can we just talk to you for a minute?” He goes “Okay, I’ll talk to you.” Well, this was over 20 years ago, and to make a long story short, he gets down on his knees, prays a prayer of salvation. When he stood up, he was set free from every addiction in his life. I mean, he was so saved, as we said back in the revival. He was so saved that 20 years later now, I’m talking about right now, I speak at his pastors’ conferences and do missions trips, because he’s planted orphanages and churches all over Mexico. Just because we met him going out of a bar.

SID: You teach that the church’s biblical heritage was robbed. When was it robbed and what was it robbed of?

CURT: Well, during the Constantine period, you know, when the Romans couldn’t control the Jewish church, the true believers, and they had to change its identity by changing its culture and its calendar. If you remove people from your culture, then you’re going to lose your identity and you change their calendar and you’re going to lose your blessings. You know, we know as Jews that in Exodus, just putting your feet under the table of Psalm 23, “The Lord prepare a table for us in the midst of our enemies,” that’s the Passover table. There’s nine blessings of provision and vision, protection, multiplication, and prosperity for your family.

CURT: All that wisdom, knowledge, but most of all identity, and Sid, you know this. Identity is the key to the glory because identity has to do with personal intimacy that turns into a corporate intimacy and then turns into a congregational intimacy where people are being healed. That’s what happened in Togo. The alignment was there, Jew and Gentile, and the Lord literally prepared a table for us, let’s say, in that soccer field and there was multitudes of miracles. It happened many other places.

SID: Now, you had firsthand knowledge of what it’s like to have your identity stolen. Yours was stolen at birth. Tell me briefly what happened.

CURT: I was conceived out of wedlock, Jewish mother, Gentile father. Because of that, both families said no to the marriage. Then they set up for an abortion. Three days before the abortion was going to happen, my father, the Catholic, went to the Catholic priest on the Air Force base and said, “The Jewish woman could go into Los Angeles and have the child born in a hospital there, a Catholic hospital, and put into a Catholic orphanage.” That’s where I was there.

SID: Now, you pay attention to this, what he’s sharing, because this is also what happened to the church. But go ahead.

CURT: Yeah. Then I was six months in the orphanage. I was colicky, I was put in with the bad babies, and then, praise God, Ray and Rita Landry, Catholic man, Jewish woman again, the Lord’s making His point, comes back and they adopt me at six months. You know, I went from being labeled, basically, first labeled as bastard, next one is orphan, next one is adopted, and then the next one is no identity, Jew or Gentile. Then when I was born again at age 36, I spiritually got visited by the Lord when I was involved in a Messianic wedding, but three years after, it’s in my book, three years after I was saved, I miraculously was reconnected with my biological father that told me the story. I found out- Excuse me. I found out that-

SID: By the way, you had no desire to meet them. You loved the parents that adopted you.

CURT: Right, yeah.

SID: Why did you meet him?

CURT: The Lord had me stay home from work and you know me well, I work hard. I’m a type A. I stayed home and I prayed and I had a download from the Holy Spirit. I operate as a prophet and the Lord said, “I want you to find your biological father.” I listened to it and I ignored it. The next day, I was going to go to work and the Lord said, “Stay home that day.” I was on the floor in my office at home and He said, “I want you to find your biological father.” I said, “I don’t want to open that can of worms.” The Lord says, “When I open a can of worms, I take care of all the worms.” Five phone calls later, I miraculously found my father in Palm Beach, Florida, and he said, “I would love to meet you.” At that time, I was in the fruit business. Publix supermarket was one of my accounts. Of course, they have a distribution center in Miami.

CURT: I flew into Miami, drove to Palm Beach, and sat in a little café and I watched my, you know, 25-year-old self walking into that- Literally we looked just alike. He literally was walking in. We have a little different waddly walk. Here he comes walking in and it was just like [me]—it was so healing. That night, as the Lord said, that night I got to share with him my testimony and had the honor and privilege of leading my biological father to the Lord the first night.

SID: When you found out that you are Jewish, that’s good, but how did it change you, Curt? That’s what I want to know.

CURT: You know, it’s a spiritual thing. It has to do with honesty and integrity to the Lord that you’re being true to yourself. You know, people asked me to write books for years. I’d been in ministry a long time. But when Thomas Nelson came and said, “Listen, there’s so much confusion over in the evangelical community and in our community that we sell our books to over the Jewish roots. There’s so much.” They said, “Listen, we know your testimony. Would you share with us? Would you write a book and parallel your 63 years to the church? Because we feel like the Holy Spirit’s bringing the church back to its roots.”

SID: I’ll tell you what, Curt, it is so amazing when you really find out how the identity of the church was stolen, this Emperor Constantine, he literally made it illegal to observe anything Jewish. He denuded the church of its identity. Well, the church is ready to get its identity back. You know who the church is? It’s us. It’s you. It’s people.

CURT: That’s right.

SID: When we come back, I want to find out how to get our identity back.

ADAM: I saw it, and this is not from God. It’s from the enemy, and I decree through the power of the blood of Jesus, that Jessica, you are healed. And it happened two,000 years ago where you were healed. Jesus took it on the cross and through the power of the blood and the resurrection, I decree divine order through the eye and through the head of Jessica. Lord, we just thank You that you’re revealing a revelation of how much You love Jessica. And we thank You for complete healing, and we thank You for destiny; of the kingdom on earth as it is in heaven around Jessica’s life. And we decree that through the power of the blood.

SID: I loved that! Now, that is not a parable or symbolism.

ADAM: No.

SID: That is straight.

ADAM: That is straightforward.

SID: Are visions sometimes in mysteries?

ADAM: Sometimes they can be, but as I said before, as you search it out and you grow, you know the word. You learn to discern what is a parable. The more abstract it is, the more it’s a parable. The more straightforward it is, the more you know of its literal, you see. So, it’s actually a literal vision that God is showing you about a situation of a person’s life. Like when I pray for people, I can get that on the spot. But when you actually receive visions, you go into like a trance state, and there’s nothing wrong with using the word “trance” because when Peter in acts chapter 10 when he was on the rooftop, he went into a trance, and he had that vision. It was quite abstract to him, so there was a parable behind that. And when the unclean animals came down, and he was talking about the gentiles, when the Lord said, “Kill them and eat.” And he said, “Surely not me” but he woke up out of it. And as you read it, it says, “He was wondering what the vision meant.” And so he needed the interpretation for it. But in time, he realized when the Lord sent Cornelius’s servants to come and collect peter to pray for the family. They received message impartation, and he was the first Italian to receive the baptism of the Holy Spirit and become “born again”. So he worked that afterward, “This is what the Lord is saying.” And he had this word through this vision.

SID: And you know when you talk about impartation for things such as hunger, hunger for understanding dreams and visions, I don’t know if you two gentlemen know this, but the more you talk, the hungrier I’m getting to understand my dreams.

ADRIAN: [laughs]

ADAM: [laughs] yeah.

SID: I mean, it’s wonderful!

ADAM: That’s good.

SID: You’re imparting by just talking to me.

ADAM: Yeah.

SID: Now, I would like the two of you to teach just for a couple of minutes what you’re going to impart. Would you do that?

ADAM: Well, I’m going to impart, I’m going to pray and when we pray this, Adrian is going to pray for revelation. I’m going to pray for hunger; for God to speak to you in your dreams. For hunger for you to have dreams from God and the Holy Spirit’s going to release encounters as well. You can have encounters in the night which is another thing as well, but dreams come first.

SID: Is an encounter like a visitation—

ADAM: A visitation.

SID: From an angel or Jesus?

ADAM: You know, I have many visitations of angels, and from the throne room of God, and you can have; encounters. But, I’m going to pray for this for you to be hungry for this. Because it’s very important to be hungry for the things of God and to seek out the Spirit of God. And when I pray for this, I believe you’re going to have an impartation or encounter. And I would like everybody that watching this to touch the television screen, your laptop—

SID: Or your radio—

ADAM: The radio, the I-Phone, or whatever it is. If you’re listening to the radio in the car, touch as you pull over. I want you to pull over now, don’t do it while you’re driving and touch the radio, and we’re going to pray. Heavenly Father, through the power of the Holy Spirit; I decree Holy Spirit, that you are going right through the radios, through the laptops, through the media, right now Lord. I just prophesy that there’s a massive, impartation right now of the hunger, the passion. And Lord Jesus, I thank you that you reveal yourself to these people that are touching the radio right now, that are touching the laptop, the I-Phone. I thank you Holy Spirit that you are having a massive, impartation, you’re giving a massive, impartation to these people Lord. And I thank you that their minds are opening up to receive. I prophesy to the pathways in the mind. I prophesy to the pathways to the mind coming into divine order, the revelation of Jesus Christ, the image of God. And I thank You Lord, that there’s the word that becomes; Lord the word is becoming flesh. It’s manifesting in their body, they’re becoming Christ-like through these dreams and visions. I thank You for healings, I thank You for miracles. Lord, I thank You for, Lord, reconciliation in families through these dream encounters. I prophesy this through the power of Jesus, Yeshua, in the name of Jesus, I prophesy this in Jesus name.

SID: Hello, I’m here with my friend Dr. Michael Brown. We’ve been friends over 30 years. Mike, you’ve written over 35 books, but this is what you said to me on the phone. It’s this book is the most intense book you have ever written with the greatest urgency of any book you have ever written. And then I got a report, and this just didn’t even sound like you. While you were writing this book, the fire of God really literally came on you. Explain what you meant.

DR. BROWN: The intensity was in two ways. The content, as God began to open my eyes to what was happening in the spiritual realm. As I began to connect the dots in the society, and the unseen forces behind it. And then putting the material out, it was intense. It was really life and death issues. But then the way God moved on me, the publisher said, “Can we get the manuscript by a certain point in time?” I said, “Well, I’m going to do my best.” I got moved on. I got stirred. It was literally like I felt fire in my… I had to keep writing. I had to keep writing.

DR. BROWN: And I remember, one night, it was 2:30 in the morning. I though, “Okay, you’re done. Time to stop.” And the moment I laid down, it’s, “No!” I got hit with another subject, and I went back downstairs, and I went to writing again till 4:30 in the morning.

DR. BROWN: I was consumed. And it’s almost as if, “Aha, we’ve exposed Jezebel, we see what she’s doing. We see what these spiritual forces are doing and now we know how to deal with her.”

SID: Who is this Jezebel?

DR. BROWN: So we see Jezebel in the Old Testament and the New Testament. You could say she’s the most wicked woman in the Bible. She came from a pagan background, married a King of Israel. She was an idol worshiper. She was a seductress. She literally killed the prophets. She silenced and intimidated by fear. She emasculated men, and there was a spirit of witchcraft with her as well. And it helped plunge Israel into destruction. And then Jesus in the New Testament references this false prophet is called Jezebel, probably the name he’s giving her. Note it’s the same demonic forces, the same demonic powers, that operated through Jezebel in the Bible because she even intimidated Elijah the Prophet on one occasion. This spirit upon her, something more than her.

DR. BROWN: Jesus identifies it in the New Testament also as a false prophetess, also as someone who teaches sexual immorality and idolatry. So that’s the woman in the Bible.

SID: So the spirit on that woman is turned loose today. What’s kind of the parallels with today and Jezebel?

DR. BROWN: So let’s look at who she was. You could say that she was an arch radical feminist. We see this like never before. I mean radical feminists that want to abolish men from the planet. There’s not a lot of foresight in thinking like that, but that’s what they want to do. And then with idolatry, so she was an idolater, and we see the nation plunged into the worship of other gods and consumed with material earthly things. But we know in the ancient world that with idolatry there was baby killing.

DR. BROWN: We’re not just talking about a woman with a difficult situation who wrestles and decides to have an abortion. We’re talking about shout your abortion. We’re talking about governors defending infanticide. So you’ve got the spirit of idolatry. You’ve got the spirit of baby killing. You’ve got the spirit of radical feminism. She was a seductress. We’ve got kids as young as eight years old today getting exposed to pornography. You have that aspect.

DR. BROWN: Then you have witchcraft associated with her. And I’ve read articles and documented in the book that there are more witches today in America than Presbyterians. Then you’ve got the spirit of fear, the intimidation, and what does she do? She silences that prophetic voice. So we don’t have it. You can’t speak. Everyone’s afraid. “If I speak, I’m going to lose my job.” Pastors are afraid to speak, individuals.

SID: This has really struck home to you because this spirit of Jezebel came on my friend Mike. He didn’t even know, it was a sneak attack, and almost took your life. Briefly, tell me what happened.

DR. BROWN: So there were three different times in my life that I realized I’m dealing with Jezebel. The first time was right after God gave me a prophetic message to America, for the church to wake up, a wake up call for the nation with a promise of revival. Next thing, all hell broke loose against me and against Nancy. She got… It started. She got hit, my wife Nancy, with everything she never got hit with before. Where is this coming from? I got hit. The enemies telling me, “You’re coming down.”

DR. BROWN: I felt no authority. I felt no ability to minister.

SID: If you knew this guy, the way I know this guy, when he says he didn’t even want to go out and minister, you know that’s something strong.

DR. BROWN: When I would feel a prophetic word, I was afraid. I had to pray for hours just even get my head above water.

SID: That’s so hard to believe.

DR. BROWN: Bombarded by lies. I felt paralyzed. I felt emasculated. Well, a few years after this, Nancy and I are in India. And we were going to one city. The brother we work with, a real apostolic man planted thousands of churches. He said, “We’re going to the city of Vijayawada. They worship a goddess there, and she is the principality of the entire state of Andhra, with 60 million people. They worship her. And we’re going to go confront her.

DR. BROWN: And God spoke to me. “Do what Elijah did on Mount Carmel, and call all the priests and the worshipers of Kanaka Durga, and say, “We’re going to find out tomorrow night who’s the real God. Yahweh or Kanaka Durga?”

DR. BROWN: Before we got there, Sid, all of a sudden, I got hit and I realized it’s Jezebel. It’s Jezebel.

DR. BROWN: I felt that same thing. No authority, a spirit of fear coming over me. I didn’t want to be prophetic and confront. So I said to Yesuh Padham, I said to him, “What does her statue look like?” And he said, “Brother, this beautiful, powerful goddess. And she’s holding in her hand the head of a giant that she killed.” It’s the king of demons and she crushes him. So she crushes the powerful man. And then he said it was a strange thing. Her worshipers, once a year, the men dress up as women and wear makeup. And right before we went to have this–

SID: You saw the same spirit there was on Jezebel in the Bible, in that country.

DR. BROWN: Alive and well and thriving. Right before we got there, I had to get up in the middle of the night to try to pack. We had to drive all day. It was this old room with an old bed, and the wood was rough. I walked by it in the middle of the night, and it literally sliced off a chunk of flesh on my heel. And I heard Genesis 3:15, “He’ll strike your heel, but you’ll crush his head.”

DR. BROWN: And we went there. We had a public confrontation. And not only did the power of God come down, a demonized man began to dance around and confess, “Kanaka Durga is not a god. Kanaka Durga is not a god.” And not long after that, they literally had an earthquake and it shook some of the foundations of the temple. There is one true God and Jezebel is defeated in Jesus’ name.

SID: And I’m going to tell you something. He went through that so you don’t have to go through that. You are going to find out the connection between President Trump and Jezebel, and how it will trigger World War III, next.

Tommy: The blood covenant is for your children, your grandchildren and your great-grandchildren. It’s for all of us to use, every individual. The blood covenant is for us who accept Jesus as our Savior. We receive eternal life because the blood of Jesus. Sometimes a person is sick or in an accident. You may have been there, I’ve been there. We have to go be op-in an operation, go through an accident time, and we need sometimes in the emergency or in the hospital they have to give us a blood transfusion, a blood transfusion. They need our blood and we need the blood in order to live. So we give blood or take blood because it’s life. These people can receive life from another person’s blood by having that blood transfusion put into our bodies. They receive life, oh, I’ve got to say it again, they receive life from another person’s blood. Oh, will that preach or teach? They receive life from another person’s blood. Jesus Christ’s blood transfusion [laughs] He gives us blood. Receive the blood of Jesus; you don’t need another blood transfusion. The… One time apply the blood to your life, the blood will save, cleanse us, it’s the blood of Jesus. Jesus is on the cross, beaten, nailed to a tree, just for you, and just for me. A sacrifice, totally wounded for you and me. The blood flowed when they put the crown of thorns on His head, the blood flowed. Now listen, this wasn’t no little ole rose bush crown of thorns, these things were that long. They pushed them down, because the first place the devil wants to hit you is in your mind. He wants to get in your mind so when he gets in your mind, he put that blood so those, those thorns crushed into the mind ’cause the Devil wants to play with our mind. “You are no good; you’ll never be any good. You’ll never be saved; you’ve been too bad to be saved.” He comes to steal, kill and destroy. He will lie to you, he is a liar. If the devil tells you it’s raining, the sun is shining. I tell– if the sun is shining, he’ll tell you it’s raining; he is a liar! Any time that he comes, anytime the thought comes, “Just get away from me you liar! I know where you’re going you liar.” Just talk to him. Talk back to him. You ever figure out that these demons that we deal with have been around for centuries? It is not like they were born yesterday. They were, they have been around for centuries, so they knew your bloodline all the way back to your great-great-great-great-grandma. They’ve been around your family for hundreds of years. So they know how to come against us. And we have to know how to come against them. And there’s only one way to properly come against them. The blood. The blood. The devil hates it. The devil hates it when you start talking about the blood. The devil hates it when you walk through your house pleading the blood. The devil hates it when you put your hand on your children, grand children and plead the blood over them. The devil, the devil hates it when you put your checkbook down under your hand and you command money to come in that checkbook and you plead the blood of Jesus and your debts get paid and you didn’t know where they were going to get paid. Don’t tell me it can’t happen, ’cause I know it can happen.

Got a friend of mine in a little church in Tennessee. Not a little church anymore, running 3,000. Man comes to his church, looks to be about 60, I called him a hippie looking man. That’s a word some of you don’t understand, but most of you do. He’s about 60 years old, got on a pair of shorts and flip-flops with a coat and tie up here, you know, worshiping God. Now that, little unusual for me, maybe not unusual in some of our churches, but unusual for me. So the… Most of the pastors I know on Monday, take a day of rest Monday. It’s kind of a day of rest. So he’s at home resting, and the phone rings and it’s one of his elders and deacons and he said, “You know the man that sat up front with his…” “Yeah, we know him.” He said, “He’s here and he wants to meet with you.” And he said, “Well you know, it’s Monday and I really don’t want to meet with anyone uh, still got my PJs on running around the house.” He said, “Well, he is adamant about meeting you for lunch.” So they talk awhile and he agrees, showers, shave, get ready, go eat and he meets the guy for lunch. They get to lunch and he said, “Pastor, I’m driving through, I stop at your church, I’m so impressed, God spoke to my heart…” He said, “I love it, I love your preaching, I love this church. I want to do something for you, and I’m from California, and I’m headed back home, but I want you to take this. I want you to take this and use it for the glory of God.” He slides a check across the table at P.J. Chang or whatever you call it I don’t know what it is. It’s P.F., it ain’t P.J. See that’s how much I know, P.F. Chang. He slides a check across the table, for 4 million dollars. Listen! There, there is some money in this world and God’s going to bring it to you and God’s going to bring it to me when you start pleading the blood of Jesus. When you start pleading the blood of Jesus over your finances, when you start doing right with your tithe and your offering, oh- and you start doing right with your tithe and offering, God will pour that blessing out that you don’t have room to receive it. Somebody give Him praise! Will somebody help me praise Him! Let me tell you what that man did not know. That man did not know this church owed 3.95 million dollars in debt. He didn’t know that, but he wrote the check for $4 million; paid the church off completely. My pastor buddy writes a check for $400,000, that’s the tithe, sends it to another buddy of mine in Mobile, Alabama, and pays that church off. That’s what you’re supposed to do. That’s why we’re supposed to… I’m talking about the blood. I’m talking about the blood. He didn’t know, the man from California didn’t know, this pastor had walked through his church pleading the blood of Jesus over a financial miracle that’s going to pay that church off. He didn’t know how much they’d fasted and prayed for a man to show up and pay the debt off for that church. He didn’t know that, but God knew it and God sent the man. I’m telling you, when you plead the blood over your family, when you plead the blood over your children and grandchildren, don’t forget to plead the blood over your checkbook, over your finances. Plead the blood; plead the blood. Somebody praise Him in the house.

LARRY: Yeah. What I want to do is kind of wrap this section up, because again we do these shows, we just kind of go with the flow of the Holy Spirit. And I love this concept, Ephesians 2:6, I wrote it down here because we’re very, so many of us are very familiar with that statement, of being seated with Jesus, seated with Christ in the heavenly places. But as soon as you mentioned about worship, I just felt like the Holy Spirit wanted us to park on that because that is a way for so many believers, again not just our charismatic friends, but all these different churches and different denominations, I believe we’re moving to this point where God just wants His people to encounter Him. And I love what you were saying because He wants the people to stop begging and start decreeing. So what I’m going to do is I just sense a word of the Lord and I’m going to pass it to you to end this segment and I just want to speak out of what Holy Spirit is saying right now concerning worship. I actually believe, even right now if you’re watching this, I want to encourage you to press into the presence of God. I just want to encourage you to lift your eyes and go up to where God is. And you might ask, “How do I do that,” by faith, by faith. It’s not a matter of ascending a literal mountain, but like Adam was talking about, and Adam I’m going to have you speak to this as we finish, I want to encourage you just to go into His presence with no ulterior motive except to worship and adore Him. Father, I thank you. I come before you right now. I worship You for who You are and I thank You. As a result of that, Your presence would just come and fill this place, fill this room, fill this location where I am. I believe the Lord’s going to do that. Adam, what do you feel like the Holy Spirit is just saying in regard to that? And you can just talk to our friends who are watching.

ADAM: Well, I believe this is a generation we are coming in to, there’s a generation where God is seeking worshipers.

LARRY: Yes.

ADAM: He’s always you know, He always seeks worshipers, but this is a time where there’s a new breed rising. And I believe that the Elijah; when I say the Elijah is coming, I mean it’s a corporate group of people. And there are people that worship the Lord and become intimate with the Lord and then move in power out of that intimacy. And that’s how we access the kingdom, is through worship. And I do believe that there are a lot of people out there who know the Lord, they’re born again, but they’re really going through a time of getting beaten up by the enemy. The enemy’s actually attacking their families, attacking their loved ones. But when you actually encourage yourself, first you encourage yourself in the Lord…When David did, when King David, when his men were going to stone him and then he encouraged himself in the Lord and then it actually disarmed the demonic powers around him. And I believe that what we’re going to do is, that when we worship the Lord, encourage ourselves in the Lord, it disarms the demonic powers in the heavenlies around us and we go straight into that place where we’re seated in heavenly places. See I had a, I had an encounter, of Heaven going back about six years ago. And I was on the sea of glass and as I got closer to the throne room, there were all these empty seats, completely empty seats.

LARRY: Wow.

ADAM: And there was this voice that spoke to me and I thought, “What’s going on here? It must mean an event or there’s about to be an event, but there’s no one here.” And the Lord said, “No, these are the seats of the saints that have been robbed from the revelation of what it is to be seated in heavenly places.”

LARRY: Wow! Wow, my goodness!

ADAM: So there’s so many people that are robbed, from that revelation of what it is to be seated in heavenly places. So really we are, we are the true highlanders. We live in that realm, we operate out of that realm, as sons. LARRY: Well, and the cool thing is, stay right with us, we’re going to go into our next segment, we’re going to actually talk to you about how you can access this realm. [music] We’ve told you about what it is, we told you about worship being a key catalyst that will bring you into that place but hang on there, we’re going to tell you how to access this heavenly realm.

LARRY:  Well I want to pause on that for a moment cause I want to take the next couple of minutes that we have together and just pray.

SANDRA:  Okay.

LARRY:  You and I just praying for the folks watching cause that’s the whole nature of this show. So I want to pray specifically I felt like the Lord put on my heart He wants to give people scriptures.

SANDRA:  Uh-huh!

LARRY:  He wants to give people promises. Words from His Word that will anchor them.

SANDRA:  Yes.

LARRY:  Like you were talking about so I’m just going to quickly share a prayer and then I’m going to just let you pray for the folks as well as we go into these themes. So Father, right now I pray for those watching, God, and I believe the Word of the Lord right now for you is God wants to give you a promise!

SANDRA:  Yes!

LARRY:  God wants to give you a Word from His Word! God wants to give you an anchor that will stabilize you while you are believing for complete healing! And God does not want you to give up! So Dr. Kennedy what do you feel like the Holy Spirit is just saying about that?

SANDRA:  Well you know I’ve got a whole lot of books here. I’ve written several books on scripture healing.

LARRY:  Just release some. Yeah.

SANDRA:  But again you have to find out, you know He says over in Matthew and Hebrews He says I healed them all.

LARRY:  Yeah.

SANDRA:  Now notice if He heals them all that means He heals you Sally and you Tom and you Dick and you Harry.

LARRY:  Yes.

SANDRA:  He is not missing you! He is not going to somebody and it’s not that He’ll heal your neighbor and God does not heal you based on how good you are!

LARRY:  Come on!

SANDRA:  God heals you based on how good He is!

LARRY:  Yup!

SANDRA:  God is a wonderful God. And you know that people have to understand that God is a good God! He’s not mad with them. He’s already done this. We’re not asking God to heal us. That’s where people have come… you know. No, I’m not asking God to heal me. I’m thanking Him that He has done it! He did it 2000 years ago! 

LARRY:  Yeah. Yup!

SANDRA:  And so I’m not asking Him to heal me. I’m praising Him for healing me!

LARRY:  Yes.

SANDRA:  He says I bore your sicknesses, in Isaiah! I carried your pains, in Isaiah! I was made sickness for you, in Isaiah! With my stripes you’re healed, in Isaiah! I will heal you, in Isaiah! All those just Isaiah! I bet when He says I know the thoughts I think about you and the thoughts are good and they have no evil attached to them. God is on your side!

LARRY:  Yes!

SANDRA:  For it is God who works in me both to do and will and do His good pleasure. What’s His will? Healing! What’s His good pleasure? Abundant living!   

LARRY:  That’s so good. And just to let you guys know, whooo, I feel like those are things that you can take to the bank! And just to remind you what can you do when you’re waiting to be healed?

SANDRA:  PRAISE!

LARRY:  What can you do when you pray and you’re waiting? We praise. We give thanks. I encourage you to give thanks for the partial breakthrough like you’ve received the entire breakthrough!

SANDRA:  Yes!

LARRY:  Every symptom that gets healed, everything small or big, give God thanks like the whole thing’s been healed because He wants you to be well!

SANDRA:  I mean this could be the doctor’s report.

LARRY:   That… yeah.

SANDRA:  And this could be the Bible!

LARRY:  That… yeah. (laughing) Yeah, yeah.

SANDRA:  You got to decide which one of them is going to rule!

LARRY:  Come on! And that’s the reality.

SANDRA:  You got to decide which one’s going to rule and we’re not saying this is not true. We’re not saying the doctor’s report’s not true. We’re not saying that. But we’re saying that greater is He that’s in us than he that’s in, you know, the world! And we’re going to put what God says on top of what the medical profession says! Now we thank God for the medical profession.

LARRY:  Yes.

SANDRA:  We work with the medical profession. We thank God for them. But we’re going to make the Great Physician Jesus Christ and we’re going to go and believe His Word!

LARRY:  That’s so good! Well Father, right now we pray for everyone watching and God, that they would take Your Word to the bank! That Your Word, Lord, would be their prescription for healing and that, Lord, they would be rooted and grounded in the integrity of what You say! No matter what comes against them! No matter what doctor’s report, or symptom or feeling, that Lord, Your Word would have the final Word when it comes to their healing in Jesus’ name! Amen! Amen!     

SID: Well you go into a lot of detail about the Court of Heaven [VIDEO BEGINS] in here, but in so many other ancient secrets. Speaking of ancient secrets, [VIDEO ENDS] you ‘ve learned how to tap into the portals of God. What – what is a “portal”, and what do you mean?

DAVID: Well a “portal” in Latin, “port” just means “door”; so it’s not something weird.

SID: So a “door”.

DAVID: Yeah.

SID: You know how to open the door.

DAVID: And some Christians say, “I believe in open heavens, but ‘portal’ sounds demonic or something”,

SID: Hm.

DAVID: which is ridiculous, because “portal” [CHUCKLES] just means “door” in Latin, and in –

SID: Huh.

DAVID: in French, or Thai. So open the “doors” or “windows” of Heaven; how do you know, so there’s different ways. Of course there’s praise and worship, there’s repentance, there’s fasting, there’s giving; but then there’s also SEASONAL portals, like being in the right place at the right time, like when I was in Israel during the Feasts, worshipping God. It’s like everything was lined-up because God does promise to visit also at certain SEASONS and times when you show up and praise Him.

SID: He calls them “set appointments”.

DAVID: Yeah! So when He shows up, the glory’s there – the “portal” is there – and He promises to show up at certain times if we show up.

SID: And you have gone to Heaven. Tell me the first time you went to Heaven.

DAVID: First time I went to Heaven I was in Bethel, Israel, and we were there with a tour group. We rented a bullet-proof v bus. Nobody wanted to go; the tour group didn’t want us to go. You know the tour agency.

SID: Um hm.

DAVID: They said it’s –

SID: Right.

DAVID: It’s “meshugganah” at the time; 2003.

SID: “Crazy”.

DAVID: 2003; you have to rent a bullet-proof bus; you have to have a security guard with a machine gun. You ‘ve got to pass Ramallah, go to the checkpoint, and you want to lay down there and try to get – okay, that’s crazy. And I said, “Yeah! I want to do it.” They said, “Well this is going to cost you more money”, and they tried to really discourage me. I said, “Okay, I’ll do it!” I was so desperate, because Genesis 28, this is “the gate of Heaven”, Bethel! I want to go check it out! Didn’t say “it was”; it said it “is the gate”!

SID: You didn’t care whether it was Palestinian or what!

DAVID: No!

SID: You just wanted to go to that doorway.

DAVID: Yeah! Sometimes you ‘ve got to risk your life to get the glory! [CHUCKLES]

SID: Okay.

DAVID: So we went over there; we laid on the ground. Someone played guitar, and I said, “Everyone close your eyes”, find a rock like Jacob did, “and just see what God shows you ! Maybe you ‘ll have a vision; maybe you ‘ll get taken to Heaven! I don’t know what’s going to happen, but we’ll – we’ll have interviews afterward.” [VIDEO BEGINS] So we laid down. I saw Jesus – Yeshua. I was taken up, and I saw the crystal sea. I saw the Messiah, Yeshua; His eyes were flaming like fire. I got closer and closer to Him. He looked at me, and He said, “Thank you for touching Isaac, my people.” He said two things to me: “I want you also to touch Ishmael, and the Muslims, [VIDEO ENDS] because they’re crying out for Me”; and number two, He said, “Please organize a conference for Me in Jerusalem”. So I came out of it, and I thought, “Well, that could have just been my mind; it could have been my imagination.”

SID: I understand. A lot of people get talked out of the supernatural.

DAVID: But then a few days later, a friend calls me and says, “Hey, we want to organize a conference in Jerusalem -“

SID: [CHUCKLES]

DAVID: “and in Bethlehem. We’re going to reach all these Arabs and Palestinians at Bethlehem, but we also or at – they’re actually, at the time, oh, I think they were Palestinian. by that time, but Arab-Israelis, “and we’re going to reach the Jews in Jerusalem. But we want YOU to organize the conference in Jerusalem, because you have more of the Jewish connection.” And I said, “That’s so crazy. I would normally say ‘No’ because I don’t live in Israel, but the L Messiah just asked me those exact words, ‘Could you organize a conference in Jerusalem’!” And then that – and then that week – the following week – all the doors opened to the Arab-Muslim world. I was invited to Dubai, Qatar, Bahrain; within a few months I was in all those countries!  Indonesia opened up, –

SID: So you did not doubt.

DAVID: Abu Dhabi –

SID: You did not doubt that it was God, –

DAVID: I mean you –

SID: and you did not doubt you were in Heaven. You said something interesting to me. You said that once you have your first visitation to Heaven, it like it makes it easier if you want to go to Heaven again.

DAVID: Exactly.

SID: But let me ask you this: Is it do you want to go, or is it only as God so wills? I mean when Paul said he was in “the third heaven”, –

DAVID: Um hm.

SID:  do you think he had something to do with it, or it was just a sovereign – your first time it was really a sovereign thing.

DAVID: Yeah, but it was faith, too, because I really wanted to go to Bethel, because I wanted to see what Jacob experienced.

SID: Right.

DAVID: So I think it’s partly, like it says, “By faith Enoch … was not”, so even that. So I think a lot of it is faith; you have faith and hunger for the supernatural. Some people just get it; they die, and then went to Heaven; and they don’t – they get in a car accident; they weren’t asking for it. But others that don’t have to die; I think you can ask, because it does say you can “come boldly to the throne”, “the veil [has been] rent”; we have access to Him. So I was just hungry for – there’s got to – maybe there is something to this. Well in my case, I asked the Lord. But if you ‘ve been to Heaven – a lot of people will tell me, “I’ve been to Heaven 20 years ago; never been back.”

SID: Hm!

BILL:  Well in the Latter Rain Movement or the Restoration people didn’t believe much in the individual prophet. You had to be a prophetic presbytery. Three or 4 ministers prophesying over people.

KYNAN:  I see.

BILL:  But I still prophesied individually to different people cause when I moved from Washington down to San Antonio Texas and started teaching in a Bible college there. But then God did something that was very unusual. Very transforming. It’s where I’m at today because of what happened in 1973. 

KYNAN:  Wow. Wow.

BILL:  Twenty years later from ’53 to ’73 I just prophesied now and then. But in ’73 I was in Sacramento California. Dropped in to where a young man I had taught 4 years in Bible College was holding a revival and he asked me if I’d… He had told people that God wants to speak to you. But I don’t prophesy. He says you’re the only one I know that prophesies and here you are. Unexpectedly dropped right in.

KYNAN:  Wow!

BILL:  And he said would you ask God if he’d give you words for some people. So I did. And it started about 9 o’clock. I started prophesying and got about 15 or 20 I thought okay, that’s the maximum so I stopped and then we just formed a blessing line, you know a “fire tunnel” or whatever they want to call it.

KYNAN:  Yeah. Uh-huh.

BILL:  And so I stood at the head there and the first one I laid hands on, man! Flashes of revelation came of their calling, ministry, what they’re going through, what God’s going to do for them. 

KYNAN:  Wow!

BILL:  And I saw all of that.

KYNAN:  Just like that!

BILL:  Just banging them! It was just like a volcano.

KYNAN:  Bubbling up.

BILL:  Bubbling up and in. So I said down boy, down boy. You had your quota, you know. Push that one on through. Then the next one and then same thing. But the third one it felt like my volcano was going to erupt! And I said God, I’m not trying to make this happen! What do you want me to do? Do you want me to just lay hands on people and everyone you give me a word for and prophesy to them? 

KYNAN:  Yeah. Yeah.

BILL:  And He said, spoke to me in my Oklahoma lingo, He said “Yeah, boy! Let ‘er rip!”

KYNAN:  Let ‘er rip!

BILL:  And so I laid my hands on! (laughing)

KYNAN:  And now let me ask you now, now and we’re going to talk in a little bit about the restoration of the Church. How did that experience really lend itself to God talking to you about the restoration of the Church?

BILL:  Well they’re really not that connected because it was the 6 years that I attended the restoration teaching in Crescent Beach Bible College just below Vancouver Canada when I pastored in Yakima Valley, in Washington State. I drove up there every year and there was an Apostle Reg Lozelle did teaching and others did teachings, some of the Apostles from Edmonton and different places and they taught on the restoration and that was the first time the revelation came.

KYNAN:  Came to you.

BILL:  That restoration, there’s been a restoration. Before that, that what we call now the Protestant Movement was just a revival. The Evangelical Movement was a move of God. They had moves of God, revivals, awakenings. 

KYNAN:  And all that, yeah.

BILL:  But they didn’t see any connection!

KYNAN:  Well Dr. Hamon, what we’re going to do in just a moment we’re going to come back but I want you to talk more about the restoration of the body of Christ and to those watching we’re going to go deeper into this because I want you to hear this revelation that is really life-changing! It’s going to affect the way you interact with the body of Christ from now on! Just a moment we’ll be back on “Something More!”

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KYNAN:  Hey friends! We’re back with Dr. Bill Hamon, a pioneer in the prophetic movement and we’re talking about the power of the Holy Spirit and the restoration of the Church. Dr. Hamon, on our last segment you were talking about how God began to walk you through this process really through teaching you and you talk about prophetic presbyteries and the experiences you begin to have.

BILL:  Yeah.

KYNAN:  And how that led you to this place of getting this revelation of the restoration of the Church. Could you share more about that?

BILL:  Yeah. In 1955 I started teaching on the restoration of the Church. A very minimal deal but then it kept growing and growing. Then I taught it. Then I wrote the book on “The Eternal Church” which covers the origination, the deterioration and the restoration of the Church. Out of the 400 pages, 173 is on the restoration of the Church. 

KYNAN:  Hmm!

BILL:  And I’ll explain what restoration means here in just a moment.

KYNAN:  Okay.

BILL:  And then I started teaching on that all the way around the world. And I went to the first time in South Africa and then distributed books there. And so what the restoration of the Church is people have to understand that the Church started out victorious.

KYNAN:  Yes.

BILL:  You know apostle’s demonstrating the miracles. The Book of Acts is the foundation, the doctrine.

KYNAN:  Absolutely.

BILL:  And the manifestations for the New Testament Church.

KYNAN:  Yes, Sir. 

JAMIE: You see this big fish come out of nowhere and just “bah!” Spit a man out! Now they’re going show us a sign Jesus and Jesus says “No! No sign except the sign of Jonah!” What is He saying? Not just those signs, I’m not just going to heal, I’m going to do something so outrageous it’s going to capture the attention of an entire nation! If we saw a man spit out of a fish up on the beach you better believe me the whole city’s going to come out to find out what happened!

AUDIENCE: That’s right.

JAMIE: It’s going to change the nation and so it is with Jesus! He wants to do greater works and sometimes we’re asking Him for little works but He wants to do greater works. I’ve come, I been sent commissioned because I believe God wants to give us not just a “works mentality” but a “greater works mentality.” That you would walk in a greater works mentality! Now here’s the deal. Okay. He goes on from there and Jesus honestly is a little irritated because the Pharisees are bugging Him about a sign, and He left them, in verse 13, getting into the boat again and departed to the other side. Now the disciples had forgotten to take bread. Say “bread!”

AUDIENCE: Bread!

JAMIE: And they did not have more than one loaf with them in the boat. Say “one loaf!”

AUDIENCE: One loaf!

JAMIE: Bread.

AUDIENCE: Bread.

JAMIE: One loaf.

AUDIENCE: One loaf.

JAMIE: “Then Jesus charged them saying take heed. Beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and the leaven of Herod.” The leaven of the Pharisees and the leaven of Herod. He’s warning His disciples about something that’s hidden in plain sight. It’s actually at work and it’s corrupting their vision. Here’s what I want you to see. This is powerful. Watch this! It says “and they reasoned among themselves saying is it because we have no bread.” Where did the bread go? No bread. Say “one loaf.”

AUDIENCE: One loaf.

JAMIE: Say “no bread.”

AUDIENCE: No bread.

JAMIE: What happened to the bread? Now they don’t see the bread. It was there before. Now it’s gone. Who ate it? There was a loaf of bread. Now it’s gone. What happened to them that caused them to no longer to be able to see the loaf that is right in front of their eyes? Jesus says “beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and the leaven of Herod.” Say “one loaf.”

AUDIENCE: One loaf.

JAMIE: Say “no bread.”

AUDIENCE: No bread.

JAMIE: Now does no bread mean one loaf?

AUDIENCE: No.

JAMIE: Does one loaf mean no bread? No! No bread is no bread! I grew up in a family when my father made bread everyone in the house knew bread was in the house! And my father would make fresh homemade bread every Sunday. And every one of us, myself, my two brothers, my sister we would run down, put our hands on that hot bread, burn our hands, cut it and eat it as fast as we could! And we didn’t let anybody else eat it. Even though it was for everybody else we didn’t let anybody else eat it. So imagine 12 disciples in a boat and they all have their eyes on the bread. Scarcity mentality!

AUDIENCE: Mm.

JAMIE: You better believe me they’re all looking at that loaf of bread. Jesus says “beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and the leaven of Herod.” What happens when the leaven of Pharisees and the leaven of Herod grips you? It causes you no longer to be able to see what’s right there in front of your face! You see that person walking past you and they’re needing Jesus, they’re needing a miracle and they’re just another person not even on your radar. You can’t see what’s right in front of your face! I believe there’s someone out there right now that you need a miracle! You need God to show up in your situation! And He’s going to give you, eyes to see what’s hidden in plain sight that you could walk in the supernatural! I believe you’re seeing things around you but you don’t know how to make sense of them. I believe today’s message is going to help you and you’re going to begin to see those things that are hidden in plain sight! God wants to give you, eyes to see. Here’s what the kingdom’s leaven, would do. Remember Jesus talked about the leaven of the kingdom? Matthew 13, Jesus spoke about the leaven of the kingdom. Follow me. The leaven of the Pharisees and the leaven of Herod diminishes something. It makes the miracles seem less valuable. But the leaven of the kingdom makes something small a big deal! Here’s what I want you to know. To walk in the supernatural you’ve got to make a big deal about what God is doing in your life! We’ve been trained you know don’t make a big deal about it because we make a big deal about Jesus but the other things are, side issues when it comes to His signs and wonders and miracles. But Jesus says this: “Whatever you hear in secret shout it from the rooftops!” Why does he give us permission to do that yet the religious spirit is trying to prohibit us from identifying what it is He is doing today! I think we’re afraid of falling into error and if you’re afraid of falling into the error you’ve already fallen into error. You’ve already fallen into a trap of deception that keeps you from living in a place of faith and believing. We stick to Jesus and we believe, for miracles, and the supernatural. So here’s what happens. Jesus says “Why do you reason,” in verse 17, “because you have no bread? Do you not yet perceive nor understand? Is your heart still hardened? Having eyes do you not see? Having ears do you not hear? And do you not remember?” Say “remember!”

AUDIENCE: Remember!