Sid Roth

SID: Hello. Sid Roth here with Joel Richardson. And Joel has been hand-picked by God to explain in such a simplistic fashion End Time events, and we’re supposed to understand this from the Bible. Now Joel, you are so convincing to me of who these beast nations are, and in particular, who is the chief beast nation. And it will surprise you. Tell me.

JOEL: I think the Bible is very clear that the nation of Turkey will emerge as a regional leader in the Middle East. And what’s so interesting about that is that when we look at the history of the Islamic empire in the Middle East, it began with the Umayyad in the vast empires which culminated with the Ottoman Empire. For over 500 years, Asia Minor, that’s Turkey, ruled the Middle East. And it was not until 1924 that that empire was actually broken up, and the head of that empire was essentially beheaded, the Caliph of the Islamic world.

SID: So when the Bible talks about this beast will have a fatal head wound, that’s what you’re talking about?

JOEL: Yeah. A lot of believers think that this is referring to the Anti-Christ, the individual. But in fact, when the Bible speaks of the Beast, it’s primarily first and foremost referring to an empire. That’s based off of the pattern of Daniel 7. Now it does also sort of consolidate down to the leader of that empire. But first and foremost, it’s speaking of the empire. It says that the empire would suffer what appears to be a fatal head wound and that it would come back to life. For over 500 years the head of the Islamic empire was Turkey, and it was from Turkey that the Caliph, again think pope, general and president all wrapped into one, ruled the entire Islamic world. In 1924, that office was abolished. That was the beheading. That was the fatal head wound. Today, Turkey is reemerging as a world power, but primarily as a regional power in the Middle East.

SID: Well it’s interesting. Turkey used to be considered the only friend Israel had among the Arab countries. But that’s ended with the flotilla and the big uproar over that. I mean, the timing is very significant. Tell me about some of these top think tank people like George Friedman.

What does he say about Turkey?

JOEL: Sure. George Friedman is the CEO and founder of STRATFOR. This is the world’s leading think tank, forecasting, strategic forecasting outfit. What he said is absolutely true. He said that the Middle East is incapable of being dominated by outside western forces. But as we are slowly evacuating from the Middle East we’re creating a vacuum. Inevitably, Turkey is the only nation, as history shows, that has the ability to dominate the Middle East, to rule the Middle East. Muslims are capable of being ruled by a Muslim power, not a western power. And he says that in the days to come, in the years to come, we will see Turkey emerge as a world superpower, and they will reemerge in their role as the leader of, in essence, a neo-Ottoman empire. And that’s exactly what the Bible predicts.

SID: Now will Babylon, Saudi Arabia, be concerned about the coalition of nations run by the Beast, Turkey? What does the Bible say?

JOEL: Sure. Well what we need to understand with regard to the geo-strategic alliances in the Middle East is that you have the Arab block. That’s Saudi, Egypt and Jordan. And then across the Gulf you have Iran. Those are the Shiah. Now most of the average Islamists on the street, they go, okay, given the choice between these, what they think are corrupt western puppet regimes or the bold, but yet Shiah, i.e., sort of heretical Muslims, they go, “We’re not really sure which side to go with.” Now there’s a third choice, and that’s the Turks. They’re bold, they’re confrontational, they’re strong. The heart of the Islamic world is turning to Turkey and they’re looking to Turkey is the natural leader. Of the three options, they’re saying this is the best. This is the strong horse that we should start betting on.

SID: Okay. Mystery Babylon is supposed to be very wealthy. How wealthy is Saudi Arabia?

JOEL: There is no nation in the world that lives in the excess, in the absolute abundance of luxury that the Saudi princes do. You know, there are just numerous examples. You have stories going back to the ‘80s when the Saudi king would go up to Paris for the evening and gamble away over $20 million in one evening. Now you take inflation and figure what that is today. That’s like wasting $40 million for fun and pleasure in one night.

SID: So when the Bible states that this Mystery Babylon, or as you believe, Saudi Arabia, will be opulent, tell me about that car you told me about on the radio show.

JOEL: Same guy, Prince Al-Waleed bin Talal, recently showed off one of his cars. It was a diamond-studded Mercedes Benz. The entire car was encrusted with diamonds, $43 million in one car. And he’s got 38 or some-odd cars.

SID: Okay briefly, tell me about this man, because I find him fascinating, Adnan Oktar.

JOEL: Adnan Oktar is the most published author in the entire Islamic world, a Turkish intellectual. He’s got close to 300 books, widely influential, very moderate for a Muslim, very, very popular. He is openly calling for all sorts of very interesting things, one of which is what he calls a Turkish-lead Islamic union. Just after the recent flotilla incident I saw maps of the Turkish-lead Islamic union all over the world. They were holding up these signs saying, “The Turkish-lead Islamic union is the solution.” He’s also calling for, of all things, here’s a Muslim leader that is calling for, a very influential Muslim leader, calling for the reestablishment of the Temple in Jerusalem to be built by the Jews. He calls it Solomon’s Palace.

SID: Why does he want this?

JOEL: From his perspective, he thinks that it’s just something wonderful. He believes that because Solomon was a prophet that we should rebuild these ancient buildings.

SID: And the Bible talks about rebuilding the Temple in the last days.

JOEL: Exactly what the Bible talks about. And there are various movements, alliances between orthodox Jews and Muslims to rebuild this temple.

SID: Okay. That is an anti-Messiah situation that is evolving. Are many Muslims coming to believe in Jesus now?

JOEL: Absolutely, absolutely. The fact of the matter is that numerous trends are merging at one time. We have the information revolution. We have a revival throughout the Islamic world of Muslims who are encountering Yeshua, Jesus. He’s appearing to them in dreams and visions, and as a result you have some of the most bold and fearless witnesses that the Islamic world has ever seen.

SID: I see that boldness. I plain call it normal. And it’s time you became normal. How do you become normal? Number one, you hit that dead, hard of flesh and you repent your sins, and you believe that Jesus washed away your sins, and ask him to live inside of you. Then number two, become a Talmudin, a student of the Word of God, and start, not just hearing, but doing what He says. Some of these radical Muslims that are coming to Jesus, they’re gonna be on fire for God. Can you see these radical Muslims that come to Jesus and these orthodox Jews that come to Jesus lining up hand in hand saying, “I love you. I love Arabs” and the Arab says, “I love Jews” and being one new man, a full dwelling place for God, and wrapping up the whole thing? Make sure you’re part of it. That’s what you have to do right now.

SID: Hello. Sid Roth here with Joel Richardson. And Joel, the Book of Revelation uses a term, “Mystery Babylon”. What is Revelation talking about?

JOEL: Mystery of Babylon, this is one of the, really the great final frontiers of Bible prophecy, one of the greatest mysteries. In a nutshell, Babylon is essentially the spiritual and economic fountain that will give birth to the greatest false religion that the world has ever known. So the Book of Revelation tells a story. It tells a story about a woman, that’s Israel, and she’s about to give birth to a child, that’s the Messiah, and it’s through this woman and this child that the entire world will find redemption. But before the woman, desiring to devour the woman and the child, is the dragon. That’s Satan. And his method throughout history to come against Israel has been a series of empires. They are anti-Semitic. They are anti-Yawistic. They are anti-Messiah, anti-Christ, if you will. And it’s through these empires throughout history that Satan has, he’s had his strongholds in the earth. So we had ancient Babylon. We’ve had Rome. Today the empire in the earth that is reigning is the Islamic empire. That is the premier anti-Semitic–

SID: But wait a second. Most people think that this Mystery Babylon is Rome.

JOEL: Exactly. When we look at Revelation 17, it says, that the city sits on seven hills, which are also seven heads, also seven kings. Mountain. It’s actually not hills. It’s mountain. Mountain is a common biblical motif for a kingdom or an empire which corresponds to kings. And when we look at history we see that the Roman Empire was the sixth empire, the sixth empire of biblical history that persecuted and tried to destroy the Jewish people. Islam is the natural successor that fulfils the pattern of all of the previous empires. It is the greatest, most powerful anti-Semitic, anti-Yahwistic force that the world has ever seen.

SID: Okay. You just did a tremendous Bible study, because I’ve read it, identifying from the Bible that Mystery Babylon is Saudi Arabia. Now another name for Mystery Babylon is the Great Harlot. And the Bible talks about those that are going to commit fornication with her. Who is Mystery Babylon?

JOEL: Fornication needs to be understood in the simple terms of idolatry. It is false worship. It is any worship that is attributed to any other god other than Yahweh, the God of Israel, the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. Not Allah, not the god of Islam. Two very different gods. Saudi Arabia is the premier fountain. It is the location from which Islam was birthed into the world. And today when you say what is the premier export of Saudi Arabia, people say oil. The fact is its primary export is Islam. It’s ideology. So fornication is the exportation of false religion. Saudi Arabia is not only an economic manipulator in the earth by literally pouring millions of dollars into the back pockets of world leaders and using their money as a powerful anti-Semitic lobby–

SID: All right. Let’s just take our most recent presidents. Why don’t you start with Carter and work up. Very quickly, how has Saudi Arabia swayed their thinking?

JOEL: When you look at the donations that former President Carter received, it’s in the tens of millions, and that’s all we know.

SID: Tens of millions?

JOEL: Tens of millions of donations to him personally.

SID: From Saudi Arabia. Is that why he comes out with books that are so anti-Semitic.

JOEL: That are brazenly anti-Semitic, accusing Israel of being an apartheid nation, accusing them of essentially being the modern Nazis of the earth.

SID: But what about Bush?

JOEL: George Bush, Sr., George Bush, Jr., they have deep historical relationships with the Saudi princes. Ambassador Bandar, close personal friends. So you ask, why is it, a lot of Christians would say, why is it that President Bush, supposedly a born-again believer, would come out and say that Islam is a religion of peace and a great religion? We know that’s not true. Well perhaps it has to do with the fact that he’s received tens of millions of dollars from the Saudis.

SID: Okay. But President Obama certainly hasn’t.

JOEL: Well history shows that President Obama received substantial funds from the Saudis through an intermediary that actually financed his education at Harvard and Columbia University, and so he’s just got in. Most of the presidents are receiving the funds after they get out. He already has received quite a substantial amount of money. We look at Clinton. Just before the election they had to open up their donations: over 30 million from Saudi and Gulf Arabs. That money has an affect. People don’t give millions of dollars away for no reason.

SID: Okay. What about, you mentioned universities. Why are all of these great universities, like Harvard and Georgetown, and others, putting up great buildings of Islamic study, bringing in top Muslims to speak on their campuses? Harvard, why would they do that?

JOEL: $20 million.

SID: Twenty million? From who?

JOEL: $20 million. Prince Al-Waleed bin Talal, one of the most wealthy men in the world, poured 20 million into Harvard, 20 million into Georgetown to essentially create Islamic propaganda study centers. And then he had the gall to come to Harvard and lecture the United States about our need to be more tolerant. This coming from a prince who comes from a nation that will not allow a simple church, synagogue to be built in their country, where Christians and Jews can’t openly practice their faith, he comes to the United States and lectures us we need to be more open to Islam.

SID: Okay. We know who Mystery Babylon is. What about a term referred to in the Book of Revelation as “The Beast”? What is the Beast?

JOEL: The Beast and the Harlot, the beast and Babylon, have this very interesting relationship. It’s kind of like the Lone Ranger and Silver. They’re riding and steed. They go together. But then we see that the Beast turns on and devours the woman. The Beast is essentially the End Time revived empire, the revived coalition or union of nations that will then turn on the woman, that’s Saudi. In the end it says they will burn her fire.

SID: You know, I saw your identification of who the beast nations are, and even more important, who is the chief of the beast nations. You’ll be shocked. Don’t go away. We’ll be right back after this word.

SID: Hello. Sid Roth here with Joel Richardson and I love prophecy. I love God predicting what’s going to happen. And I used to be a stockbroker, and I’m almost ashamed to say I knew about things like inside information at that time, before I was a believer. Well we Bible believers are supposed to be dealing with inside information. And my guest, Joel Richardson, I believe was hand-picked to understand End Time Bible prophecy revelation. As a matter of fact, Joel, your wife had a prophetic word before you were even married. Tell me about that.

JOEL: She had a woman that was praying over her with a significant prophetic gifting, and one of the things that she said was that you’ll marry someone that will release significant new understanding into the End Times to the body of Christ. Now when she said that to, shortly after we got married, I thought, how can I release information about something that I have no understanding. This is not something that I can make happen, so if that’s gonna take place it’s gonna be something that the Lord is gonna have to release.

SID: Okay. So then you go to a meeting with 7000 people, and with 7000 people a prophet is speaking, and guess who he picks out to prophecy over? Joel. Did you know he was going to pick you? I mean, 7,000 people.

JOEL: Sitting the shadows of the back row of this massive auditorium, he called my wife and I out by name.

SID: By name. Did he know you?

JOEL: No.

SID: Okay.

JOEL: Called us out by name and spoke about several different issues into our lives that no one, that no man could know in the natural. Obviously the Lord was speaking to us. And then among the things that he said was that the Lord was releasing me into a season of Divine revelation, specifically because of years of waiting on the Lord and developing, and cultivating an intimate relationship.

SID: And you knew that Divine revelation, what was exploding within you when he said that?

JOEL: The moment he said I immediately, my mind was immediately moved to the prophecy that my wife had and I knew that it had to do with this revelation concerning the End Times. And still at that time I thought, you know, it’s gonna have to be the Lord. But it was shortly after that I guess I’ll call it the Divine downloads began to take place. And you know it when it happens. You wake up. You read the Word. He opens up the Word and there’s just energy. There’s energy on your Bible study. There’s energy and enlightenment on your mind, so to speak, as you consider world events. Really, I’ve sort of been in that buzz, it seems as though now for the past several years.

SID: Okay. He spends almost a year in the Middle East. He studies and applies himself, as he should. But it’s not a normal study. It’s with revelation. And in your studies you found some fascinating things out about Islam. Tell me some of the things you found out.

JOEL: Sure. Well you know, for the past, let’s say 50 years, the majority of folks, Christians and so forth that have been studying Biblical prophecy, have really had a very European, western centric view. And one of the things, and of course when I say this, a lot of people say, well of course, this is just common sense. But really what I’m doing is showing people that all the prophecies of the Bible, all of the emphasis and the focus is really Israel centric, and it’s beyond being Israel centric. It’s Messiah centric. So if we simply try to boil down the essence, the basic big story that the Bible is telling, it’s actually very simple and it’s something that everybody can grasp. It’s not nearly as complicated as a lot of people have made it.

SID: But tell me what you have found. I want you to summarize what is the Islamic mindset?

JOEL: Sure. Well there’s many things. When you look at the religion of Islam and you compare it to what the Bible says about the End Time army of the anti-Christ or the anti-Messiah, you see that the prophecies of the Bible and the religion of Islam fits hand in glove, that it fulfills it to a T. Specifically, numerous examples.

SID: Let’s go to that treaty.

JOEL: Sure, sure. The Treaty of Hudaybiyah. This is a prime example. Early in the career of Muhammad he entered into a treaty with the largest, most powerful tribe in the region. They were called the Quraishis and it was a 10-year peace treaty. Now immediately after this treaty, the next day, he had a “revelation” where he claims that Allah, his God, told him that from that day forward anyone that joined what was at that time a small fledgling band of about a thousand men, can now have a significant share of the plunder, the booty, the slaves, the women, etc. Within two years this group of desert pirates became 10,000 strong. Then he broke the treaty. He turned and crushed the power of the Quraishis. So Muslims look to Muhammad as the premier perfect example that they are to emulate. So now Muslims have as an example this concept of breaking treaties.

SID: So it’s okay. Did you get that? The precedent is make a treaty when you’re weak, but when you’re strong, break it. What did Arafat, when he was in power, say secretly? We know what he said to the U.N. and to the world. What did he say behind the scenes secretly?

JOEL: Sure. Well at this time there was a significant peace treaty going on between the Palestinians, headed by Arafat, and Israel, and everyone was very excited. They thought this was a major breakthrough. Well here was Arafat at a group speaking in Arabic and he said to everyone, he said, “The treat that I’ve just entered into with Israel is merely the Treaty of Hudaybiyah, and in the same spirit have I entered into it, and it is through this treaty that we will continue our march to Jerusalem.” In others words, “I only entered into this so that we can gain power. Our goals have not changed. When the time is right we will march militarily and take Jerusalem.”

SID: So explain to me how our government can orchestrate a peace agreement with the Palestinians in Israel if that is their goal? Explain this to me, Joel. It makes no sense.

JOEL: It doesn’t at all. It’s done out of pure ignorance of Islamic theology and Islamic history. If we understand that this is the goal of the Palestinians which is–

SID: But our State Department must understand this.

JOEL: I would like to think so. I would like to think so. Let me quote an Islamic tradition that is the foundation for Hamas and the Palestinians. It says, “The day of resurrection will not come until the Muslims fight against the Jews and kill them, until there are only a few Jews left hiding behind a tree or a rock, and the tree and the rock will cry out and say, ‘Old faithful Muslim, there is a Jew behind me. Come and kill him.’” Muslims believe it is their Divine call to eliminate the Jewish people.

SID: Okay. Doesn’t sound like a peace loving religion to me. We’ll be right back with Joel Richardson, and we’re gonna find out what the Bible says and identifies is Mystery Babylon. Don’t go away.

SID: Hello, Sid Roth your investigative reporter of the supernatural. I love investigating the supernatural. I have Kris Vallotton here, and talk about a sabotage. Your dad died when you were 3 years of age.

KRIS: Yeah, my dad drowned when I was 3 years old.

SID: And the thing that I find fascinating is he was talking about dying.

KRIS: Yeah. You know, one of the things that happened in my parents’ life is when my mom was really young, 16 years old, an older man fell in love with her and that older man was a psychic. And he read tarot cards for her and he told her “You’ll have three husbands.” At 16.

SID: So in effect, that thought, that evil thought, was planted in her.

KRIS: I believe that he actually cursed her. He wanted to marry her and he actually cursed her.

SID: Hmm. But it had a pretty traumatic effect on you when your dad died. You didn’t, you stopped speaking.

KRIS: Yeah. Well my dad, for six months before he drowned…and my dad was a Phys-Ed teacher. He taught football, coached football, taught swimming, and then drowned at Anderson Dam, which is like drowning in a large pond. Six months before he died, every night for six months, he woke up and told my mom, “I know I’m going to die, I know I’m going to die.” And then he drowned in Anderson Dam. My grandfather actually found him on the bottom of the lake.

SID: Well that’s connected with something that happened to you. This thought, which he thought was his own, it wasn’t. It was an evil thought and it says in the Bible “How can two walk together unless they be agreed?” We’re supposed to agree with God, but the thing works in reverse if you agree with an evil thought.

KRIS: That’s right, that’s right. And whatever spirit world you agree with, it empowers that world. And what happened to me is, when I was 18 years old, I received Christ. And then at 22, one day I came home from work, got in the bathtub to take a bath late at night, went to get out of the bathtub, and I had this sudden thought that I was going to die. And I mean it was more than a thought Sid.

SID: And see, most people, when they have thoughts like this, they think it’s their own. They don’t even think in terms of maybe this isn’t me thinking.

KRIS: Yeah that’s right. Most of us are raised to think that whatever we think is originating from ourselves. And of course I was raised in a church that said that Christians could be mentally ill, but they couldn’t be demonized. And so I go to get out of the bathtub and I start shaking. And I mean I shake so bad I can’t even get a glass of water to my face without using two hands. And so I’m shaking, my wife comes in and she’s like “what’s wrong?” I said, “I don’t know, I can’t walk.” I got so shaky I couldn’t walk. She sat me on the couch, called a doctor, and that shaking lasted three and a half years. I sweat…

SID: My goodness.

KRIS: Three and a half years.

SID: That’s a long time.

KRIS: That’s a long time to shake isn’t it?

SID: How did you sleep?

KRIS: I didn’t sleep. I slept an hour, half an hour, hour at a time. I sweat the bed wet, profusely. My wife would have to change the sheets two or three times a night. It was hell on earth.

SID: Did you have any children at that time?

KRIS: We had just had our first child when I had a nervous breakdown. Yeah, it was crazy.

SID: Now did you go to your local doctor?

KRIS: I went to the doctor and he said “Well you’re having anxiety attacks.”

SID: Normally what they do is they prescribe tranquilizers.

KRIS: Yes. First thing he did is he told me to do is drink some wine. Well, you know, we don’t drink so I drank some wine to try to calm my nerves. Didn’t do anything but make me sick. And then he proscribed some tranquilizers, I took the tranquilizers for three or four or five days, and all they did was depress me.

SID: So you’re shaking, you’re sick, and you’re depressed. This is getting bad Kris, very bad.

KRIS: This is getting bad, yep. And we’re living in the Bay area. I’m managing a large repair shop and all the traffic, all the activity. And probably a year into it I said to my wife “You know what? We need to move to the country and see if that helps. We need to move someplace where the birds fly slow.”

SID: Were you able to work at this time?

KRIS: I went to work during the day. I could hardly think.

SID: Did you have a good job?

KRIS: I had a really good job, yeah. I had a high-paying job, I had a good job.

SID: I mean your first child, you’re married…

KRIS: Brand new house, just bought a brand new house.

SID: Your wife was your childhood sweetheart.

KRIS: I met my wife when she was 12; we got engaged when she was 13; got married when she was 17.

SID: What took you so long?

KRIS: And my wife was so good through the whole thing Sid. She just said “You’re going to be fine.”

SID: I was wondering about that. I mean, most women would just walk away from a mess like that. You were a mess.

KRIS: I was a mess. And then, so we moved. We moved up to…

SID: So old story, the grass is always greener…

KRIS: Oh yeah. And the year before I had a nervous breakdown, when we got married, we went into the Trinity Alps to go camping. And so I’m shaking, I can’t think, I said to my wife “Let’s go move to the Trinity Alps. Let’s go someplace where it’s slow where we can start over and where there isn’t all this traffic and all this pressure.” And so we moved to the Trinity Alps. We’re an hour from society living out in the woods and it doesn’t get better, it just gets worse.

SID: Why would it get worse?

KRIS: Well I started having visions. And when I say visions, I mean I started seeing things. I had visions that I’m killing people, I’m molesting children. I don’t mean like once in a while, I’m having them 40, 50, 60 times a day

SID: Previous to this, did you ever have thoughts like that

KRIS: No. I’ve never drank in my whole life, I’ve never taken drugs, I’ve never smoked dope, a cigarette, anything. I mean one day I’m fine…

SID: You’ve just taking a bath and you have this thought…

KRIS: I have a thought.

SID: This doesn’t even make sense Kris.

KRIS: Out of the blue; out of the blue. One minute I’m fine, the next minute I’m shaking, I don’t stop for three and a half years.

SID: Ok. So you made the move, you’re getting these bizarre thoughts. Did you have bizarre thoughts towards your family?

KRIS: Yes. Extreme. I mean I had thoughts of molesting my child, of killing my wife.

SID: You love your wife, you love your child.

KRIS: I would see them over and over like a dream, but you’re awake. And then, so I’m going through all that, and you can imagine when you love your wife, you love your kids, you love the people you’re having these visions of, and you’re like “What the heck’s wrong with me?”

SID: Sure.

KRIS: And like I said before, I was raised in a Christian culture that said Christians, they can be insane but they can’t be demonized.

SID: So that wasn’t an option.

KRIS: So my only thought is if I… can imagine if walk into a mental health center and say “hey, this is what’s happening to me” and I’m soaked with sweat and I’m shaking like a leaf what are they going to do?

SID: A few years back they would have given you electroshock therapy or worse than that, a lobotomy, or worse than that, the drugs that make you a zombie. Tell you what, let’s hold that thought. We’ll be right back after this.

SID: Hello. Sid Roth here with Dean Braxton. And this is so fascinating. You see, Dean died. His heart literally stopped for one hour and 45 minutes, and he went to Heaven. And one of the things you said is you were shocked on who was there and who wasn’t there.

DEAN: Yes.

SID: You had your own opinion, but God had a different one.

DEAN: God had a different opinion. You know, because when I got there I looked and I saw many people that I thought would not make it there. And then I looked around and I said but there’s people that I thought would make it here that is not here. And I came to understand a lot of those people that were not there that I thought were there were people that, we would call them pastors, leaders in churches, are in ministries. But they weren’t there. And you know, when I came back I really pondered on that. Why Lord weren’t these men or these women there that you would think that would be there? And here are people that I would have thought, no they didn’t make it into Heaven, and yet they were there. I came to understand because of what happened to me with one of my own family members. My Aunt Barbara, she was there. Aunt Barbara was a lady that I would have told you even to this day if I didn’t have this experience in my life, she didn’t make it there. She did not go there. She went to Hell. That’s what I would have told you because of the lifestyle that she lived that I saw in front of me. And the last two years of her life I was not around her, and so I didn’t see the last two years of her life. So I was basing it on everything up to that point.

SID: But you said you were looking for men of God, pastors that weren’t there. Why wouldn’t a pastor that’s preaching the Gospel, why wouldn’t he be there?

DEAN: It’s the same thing I was gonna say about Aunt Barbara, just to let you know, Sid. It’s a heart thing. It really is a heart thing. God knew my Aunt Barbara’s heart. She must have accepted Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior or the Messiah as Lord and Savior, because that’s the only way you got in, is by knowing him. These men or these women of God that we would think that know Jesus Christ, he knows their hearts. They are not fooling him. He knows exactly what they’re thinking. He knows why they’re doing it. He knows the modus behind it. See, everything in Heaven, modus is to get people to know Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior on this planet. Remember I told you earlier there was even this strategy piece.

SID: I know. I’m fascinated by that. Tell me. In other words, he literally saw Jesus strategizing

on how to win souls. Describe one thing you saw about the strategy.

DEAN: Well you got to understand that the strategy or the prompting of the strategy comes from us praying on this planet. We don’t understand that sometimes, that even Jesus Christ said that we’re to pray that more laborers go into the field. Well we sometimes pass that by. But when he said that, that’s a reality because God is gonna move off of our prayers that are from the heart. And literally, these prayers would go to the Father. He would communicate to Jesus. Jesus had around him a number of what I call beings, being everything that God had created. Some of them have been redeemed, some we would call angels. But they were there and he would communicate with them about plans that he had on how to get someone on this planet moved in a direction to accept him as Lord and Savior. I could remember him looking at them, and when he would look at them, they literally would bow before him, not take their eyes off him, and back out and go and do their assignment. Now I came to understand he wasn’t looking at them so much as what the strategy should be, because they were obeying him. They were not back-talking or coming up with a different plan. What he was looking at is this planet. He was seeing down here who would fulfill their piece of the part of the strategy on this planet. The closest I could come to in the example would be like Saul, when he was talking to Saul and he told Saul to go wait and then Ananias, he told Ananias to go and talk to Saul. Remember Ananias when he first talked to him said, “Wait a minute. Do you know who this is?” Many people on this planet when the Lord is telling them to do something they balk at it or they reject it. And he said, “Okay, I can’t count on them. I got to find somebody else.” And he goes and tries to find someone else. That’s what the strategy is all about.

SID: Do you know what that reminds me, Kathryn Kuhlman, she shared the story. She had the greatest miracle ministry of her generation. She shares the story that God selected many men for that miracle ministry and they all turned God down. Now I’m sure He didn’t say, “I want to give you a miracle ministry” and the man didn’t say, “Well I don’t want it.” But just step by step, because God leads you. All these men turned God down. So Kathryn said, “I was the bottom of the barrel, but I said yes.”

DEAN: Yes.

SID: Tell me something you saw about strategy, where they were strategizing for a particular part of the world.

DEAN: Well you know, one of the places I saw when I was there, you could see where the prayers were coming from. You could literally see prayers coming from this planet into Heaven, and literally I could say this area has got this much of a percentage of prayers, maybe one in ten. You had anywhere from maybe a one to a ten coming from this planet. Where one of the areas I saw a lot of prayers coming from was what we call the Far East, you know, around the Asian countries.

SID: Is that where so many Muslims are having dreams and visions of Jesus?

DEAN: Oh yes.

SID: That’s all part of the strategy?

DEAN: Yes. That’s all part of the strategy. He is reaching out to that part because of the prayers coming from that area. And the sense that I saw him look at these beings, and part of these beings were Peter and James. He looked at their group and there literally several of those angels, we would call, left their group to head down to that part of our planet.

SID: Tell me about worship.

DEAN: Oh worship. You know, there’s so much. Everything there worshipped the Lord. I came to understand what true worship is, and that is doing the will of the Father. Any time you’re doing the will of the Father you’re worshiping Him. When I was there, there was a time that I saw before what I call pray before the throne of God, and every creation of God literally was sending up prayers or praise to the Father in such a way they were individual. It wasn’t like a group of praise. It would be like you’re praising the Lord individually, I’m praising the Lord individually, and it did not clash.

SID: What is the biggest impact that happened to you as a result of going to Heaven?

DEAN: The biggest impact was seeing the love that the Father has for us. When during that praise time I literally saw Him singing back to every creation. I even sing now when we’re praising Him and giving Him glory that he’s literally singing back to us. That’s what I believe that when we say “The glory of God is here”, I really believe it’s Him singing to us. That’s what we’re experiencing. That changed me because I came to understand how much the Father really loves us. You know how the Bible says, “For God so loved the world He gave His only begotten son.” Yes. That’s reality. He loves us that much.

SID: Okay. I have all these pages here of conditions you were healed of. Your wife tells me that the hospital calls you The Miracle Man. You were healed of 29 different conditions. When you came back who was the first person that saw you and what was their reaction, quickly?

DEAN: Well the first person that saw me was a friend of mine. He had been working at the hospital. As a matter of fact, he worked on the breathing machines, and he was one of those that helped taking a tube out my mouth. His name was Anthony Jordan. I looked at him and I said, “You know. You know I have seen Jesus. You don’t have to hope I’ve seen Jesus. You don’t have to wish I’ve seen Jesus. You know I’ve seen Jesus.” And he’s a big man, and tears were just coming down from his face. I said, “You go tell your church”, because he had been a pastor of a church, also. I said, “You go tell your wife, Monique. You go tell. We don’t have to hope. There is a Jesus.”

SID: Love your family. Love God. You can’t love God if sin is separating you from God. The only way you can remove sin is to believe that Jesus died in your place because he loved you for your sin. This is God’s moment, God’s moment for you to get right with God. Make Jesus your Lord. Tell him you’re sorry for your sins. Ask him to live inside of you now.

SID: My guest will show you shock video footage of a woman who was groomed from birth to be a bride of Satan. Before her supernatural encounter with God her eyes were completely black, no whites showing, and she had occult power to open doors without touching them.

Can ancient secrets of the supernatural be rediscovered? Do angels exist? Is there life after death? Are healing miracles real? Can you get supernatural help from another dimension? Has the future been written in advance? Sid Roth has spent 30 years researching the strange world of the supernatural. Join Sid on this edition of It’s Supernatural.

SID: Hello. Sid Roth here. Welcome to my world where it’s naturally supernatural. My guest has been on It’s Supernatural previously, Darren Wilson. He comes from a nice evangelical, non-supernatural background, and he filmed from all over the world the most supernatural film you’ll ever see. It’s called “Finger of God” and I’ll never forget, what was it? Was it your aunt that got the gold, too?

DARREN: My aunt and uncle.

SID: At that time in your paradigm of what is Christianity, that must have rocked your world.

DARREN: Yeah, I didn’t know what to do with it. I still, to be honest with you, I still don’t know what to do with it. I mean, and I think they’re still kind of shocked by that.

SID: If I was going to cast someone in the role of filming the supernatural, it would be you. It would. God did a good job. You did a good job.

DARREN: Well thank you.

SID: And I love the story. I mean, here this guy doesn’t believe in the supernatural. So his whole family goes out to the Toronto Airport Church where there’s a move of God’s spirit, and he goes reluctantly. And a guy gets up and he starts saying, “There’s an angel inside this auditorium.” What did you think?

DARREN: I thought he was either crazy or lying. I thought when are they gonna pass the basket to give this guy money. And it was just one of those things where I’m just, I’m like, this is why I don’t like this place. This is why I don’t like this type of Christianity or whatever. I just wasn’t comfortable and I just didn’t think it was true.

SID: But then what happened?

DARREN: Then I met him. I met this angel who, about five minutes later, I had my eyes closed and the angel passed right by me, and I opened my eyes. I didn’t see anything. Closed my eyes, there he is. And he came up to me and he spoke to me, and he asked me three times, “Are you ready?” And I didn’t really know what he was talking about. I knew that about five months before I had kind of patented this idea to make this little movie about the strange things that Christians believe. And he said, “Are you ready?” three times. And I said yes, not knowing exactly what I was saying yes to. And the third time I said, “Ready for what?” And he said, “Make that movie.” And that was kind of what pushed out the door. I thought I was making a little short film and it turned into something bigger.

SID: And I have to tell you, I saw that movie. I loved that movie. In fact, I’m in that movie. But I expected the next movie to be the same type of movie. And actually, when I heard the title I said, “Hmmm, ‘Furious Love’”. I wonder what Darren is up to. And so you met a mutual friend of ours, Heidi Baker, and she prophesied something over you.

DARREN: Yeah. That’s what started this one. I was actually had just finished filming “Finger of God” and we were in Istanbul, Turkey, and was just worried about how I was gonna put this “Finger of God” together. The last thing on my mind was any kind of a sequel or follow up, or anything. And so she started to pray for me because I was starting to kind of freak out a little bit, because I had all this footage and I didn’t know what to do with it. So she’s praying for me and right in the middle of her prayer she gets really uncomfortable, and I’m not used to seeing Heidi uncomfortable. She’s usually pretty confident and knows what she’s doing. And she was, obviously she was seeing something in the spirit that was making her a little wary. And she finally said, “I’m just gonna tell you what I see as I’m praying for you. I see you filming the occult.”

SID: That’s the last thing I would think you would want to do.

DARREN: Yeah. My first thought was, uh-oh, is that a good thing or is that a bad thing? She said, “I actually see you filming the demonic.” And I don’t know exactly how to take that. And then she said, “This is what the Lord says. You have to go into the darkness to show the light.”

SID: But you didn’t really understand this prophetic word until you went back to that crazy church, the Toronto Airport Church, and you’re sitting there minding your own business, and what happened?

DARREN: I’m in the middle of worship and the last thing I’m thinking about is anything relating to film, and literally I get pushed back into my seat, and I figured, looking back now, I figured it was more like, “I want your attention.” So I literally, this force kind of pushed me back into my chair. And he spoke really, really clear to me. And he said, “You need to do two things. You need to show that there’s a war and that it’s real, a war between light and darkness. And then I need you to show that the only way we can win this war is through love.” And that’s all it told me. And as soon as I heard that I understood what Heidi’s prayer meant and I understood what my marching orders were for this next film.

SID: Your marching orders were?

DARREN: To go make a film about love.

SID: But how do you make a film about something called love?

DARREN: That’s the question, and I kept getting that over and over again. They were saying, “Make a movie about God’s love.” And I said, “Well how do you film that?” And my wonderful answer to them was, “I don’t know.”

SID: Okay. He goes out to the place, I think about where witchcraft, with the trials and everything, Salem, Massachusetts. He goes to a new age occult type of witchcraft type of festival. Why did you go there?

DARREN: Because I thought it would be a good idea and I wanted to go pick a fight, basically, because I figured–

SID: You’re a believer in the Messiah. Why do you want to pick a fight? You’re nice evangelical.

DARREN: I’m also a filmmaker. So I figure, okay, I’m making this movie about the clash between light and dark. Let’s go to this place and let’s go to a place where they celebrate the darkness and let’s just go in there with our cameras blazing, and I’ll go with Jason Westerfield, who was a friend of mine who was in my first movie, and let’s just go see what God does there. I’m thinking what’s gonna happen is it’s gonna be manifestations everywhere and they’re gonna get really angry and try to kick us out.

SID: Listen, I have seen Jason in operation and this man walks in tremendous prophecy and signs, and wonders, and all day long, nothing. He’s praying for people. Nothing. You even put it on film. But then a man and a couple of his buddies in a red hood comes there. You had set up your, what was the purpose when he walked up to you?

DARREN: Well what we had done, you have to understand, what we had done all day, we were praying for people and we’re sneaking around, okay. Like I’m–we’re hiding the camera and all this other stuff. We’re trying to like sneak up on people and it’s just not working and God’s not answering any of our prayers and nobody is getting healed. Nothing. And so we realize we’re doing something wrong. And so we had to, we said, let’s just make a spectacle of ourselves and put the camera in the middle and let people come to us. And that’s exactly what we did. And so one of the first people that came to us–

SID: This person with the red hood, this guy’s a witch. Imagine what’s about ready to happen. Don’t go away. We’ll be right back after this word.

SID: Sid Roth with Shawn Bolz. I am fascinated by his visitation to heaven, I am fascinated by this angel’s visitation to him, I am fascinated by, in your book Keys to Heaven’s Economy, you talk about the storehouse of Heaven, explain that.

SHAWN: Part of the visitation that I had is that the angel took me into a place that I believe is an allegory of Heaven and it was a place of provision called the storehouse of heaven and he was like the foreman of the storehouse, and in the storehouse was everything Jesus would need in our age to get the fullness of His reward, so the first part of the storehouse that I went to was a room of body parts, physical body parts, whether it was an eyeball, a liver, a hand, a foot, and it was the provision of, if you think about Heaven, is there a need for healing in Heaven? No, cause in Heaven

SID: So why is it there?

SHAWN: So why is it there? So we can call it forth here on earth as it is in Heaven, the whole

SID: Since that time have you done this, have you called,

SHAWN: Yes

SID: Tell me one, only one.

SHAWN: One of the stories is a good friend of mine named Charlotte Bartow, and Charlotte was with us in Chicago and we were talking about this to the believers there, I said I am not just a gifted guy who can do this, all of us can do this so if you have had a promise that you were going to move in supernatural healing I want you to come forward and you are going to pray for the terminally ill, and Charlotte was terminally ill with a liver condition and she needed a liver transplant, and as we began to pray I saw this woman who was praying for her calling forth a liver on earth as it was in Heaven, she somehow accessed by her faith and by her heart and love for Charlotte this realm of the spirit, because Charlotte is not called to die right now she is called to live. And I saw this with the woman, we both saw this liver come down, and Charlotte’s body transformed in front of us, she went and got a doctor’s report and she was completely healed with a brand new liver.

SID: What else did you see in the storehouse? He’s doing good.

SHAWN: Well we went for another, I believe that creative miracles are a part of it, but I also, we went for another, there was medical science, so it wasn’t just the miraculous of the faith camp, but it was also, I believe that God is investing right now in cures, I believe He has cures for diseases that the secular scientists, the medical scientists are going to find, there was a cure for cancer in that room.

SID: So you are saying to me if there is a young person watching us right now and if they are seeking God for these giftings, that’s one gifting they could get, is that what you are saying.

SHAWN: That’s right, that’s medical science, they may go in and discover something and people will ask them how did you discover that and they won’t have a book to write about it, they will just say God showed me. I went on this journey with God and God showed me how to pursue science and I found this.

SID: How about music, was there any?

SHAWN: We went into this place that I would call, it was almost an overlapping to the traditional Throne Room that people see many times in Heaven, that’s been on of the traditional visitations that people have had through history, and we went into the throne room and there was music and sounds that I have never heard before, with instruments that I have never heard before, and it would probably offend some people, because there was some very modern sounds and then there was some very classical sounds in the same room, and there was sounds and ways to put together music that have never been done yet and it is going to take somebody who uses secular study along with an inspired heart to find some of these sounds, some people will get it naturally, some people will have talent, but I saw some people who would go into a musical theory, and they would find it in the midst of studying, and so some people are going to be called to pursue the music industry, and understand it and the science behind it, not just you know, by gifting or by talent alone, but I believe people are going to get an impartation, they are going to hear something and bring together something to church, the institution of church has never seen before.

SID: Is this kind of tied in with computers, or did you see anything about computers?

SHAWN: I did, I saw, I did see computers involved with a lot of the music that is going to come out, I believe that live music and recorded music is going to come together in live events, and I believe that there is going to be, I mean there is this one type that wasn’t all it’s going to be, but there was this one types was, there would be people who had access to millions of sounds on the computer data base that they could bring into a live event and to stimulate what is going on at a live event to cause people’s hearts to awaken in deeper ways emotionally and spiritually.

SID: How about money to do these things?

SHAWN: Well see I believe that when God shows us what we are called to, that creates the void that we need for provision for it to happen and we have to call upon Him and it’s available, it’s available to us. And I believe that He is going to start using supernatural ways to, a conductor if you will, or like a conduit from Heaven to earth, He is going to show us where to find the money and the resources because He loves these projects more than we do, He wants them more than we do. I believe that Solomon’s temple was a picture of it, that when God wanted the temple to be built, He brought the greatest resources know to man all in one location so that the glory of God could be demonstrated in one place, then He could dwell with man, and I believe our generation we are going see something again, where the greatest resources whether it be the movie industry, whether it be science, whether it be computer industry, whatever vehicles.

SID: What about energy?

SHAWN: I believe that there are inventions for energy, I believe coal fusion is right on the horizon, I believe that I saw coal fusion in Heaven, I believe there is other energy sources that are going to blow us away that we are about to hit, acceleration of different energy technologies are going to come forth that we have never heard of or seen before, some that we have dreamed of and science fiction movies have been made about because they were there and there are scientists who are cooperating with God right now, with God’s agenda, and a lot of this is because you know one third of the earth doesn’t have the right kind of technology that they need. And I believe that God is going to resource these poverty-ridden areas with technology that is very cheap and cost efficient that God is the only one who could be the source for.

SID: You know in your book you talk about God wanting to finance all of these projects that is going to put the Messiah before people in every strata rather than the normal four-wall type of strata, but there were two areas in particular that God showed you that money should be planted in, one was the needy people, what else?

SHAWN: Yes, the poor, well in Isaiah 58 it talks about both those areas and as we give to the poor and as we care for the poor, it accelerates the purpose of God in our lives, it says that His light will shine upon us, which means that the favor of God will increase upon us, the favor of God in our normal everyday lives will increase upon us. And that is what a lot of people doesn’t understand is that God loves the poor so much, and our heart is where our money is, and so it we will give to where God’s heart is, if we will give to where His hearts is touched by, it increases and accelerates us.

SID: What about the, what did God show you in this strategic time we are living in, when Israel is front and center stage, when Jewish people are open to the gospel for the first time in almost 2000 years, what is He showing you about that?

SHAWN: It is the same principle as the poor that His favor increases upon us, except for I believe if we will give into what god is doing in Israel right now, and if we will give into what God is doing with the Jewish people right now throughout the earth, if we will resource it, not just financially but we will resource it with time and energy and everything that is needed, it actually accelerates the day of the Lord coming. Isaiah 58 is very clear about Jesus will, the time of Jesus will dawn upon us faster, if you read it under a certain understanding, even how He talked about the poor before, so I believe that something is about to happen so that the church if you will, all over the world is going to understand the covenant purpose of God with the Jewish people and they are going to start to understand that if they invest into that in all kinds of different ways then their blessing increases, their fruit multiplies, their favor increases in the land. And that is something that has not been understood, it has not had a direct correlation before but it is very clear that America has prospered because we have been helping Israel, and I believe that other countries who have helped Israel have seen aligned delineation when they have prospered or been hindered by their help.

SID: Shawn, the time is slipping away, I want you to look in the camera and pray that these anointing’s that God has already predestined for those that are hungering and thirsting for righteousness, they would receive them, would you pray?

SHAWN: I do, Father I pray right now to everybody who is watching, I pray that they would hear your voice and hear your heart that they were created to cooperate with you, I know you have a storehouse full just for their lives, you have a storehouse full just for them to cooperate with to see your glory manifest and to also bring you your inheritance Jesus, and I pray that the minister of finance would be busy in these day, we pray that Solomon’s temple would be a picture of what is available for our lives, that you would bring the best resources, the best things that are known to our network of relationships, our friendships to us that we can enter into the fullness of your purpose so Jesus could receive the fullness of His reward, and we thank You for those who are watching.

SID: Shane, there is, I believe there is an angel around us the presence of God has really intensified in the last few minutes, and do not miss this moment, do not miss this moment, it’s a time of visitation, it’s a time for you to get to know the King of the Jews better, Yeshua, in English Jesus. It’s a time to say I want to operate in Your Kingdom, but you have got to know the King first, in order to operate in the Kingdom you have got to know the King. The King has a name, His name is Yeshua, Jesus, it’s time to not be religious, it is time to be real, God is looking for people that are real, and if you say, “God I want to know You, God, if there is any wicked ways in me, please show me and I will turn from them, but I can’t turn from them without your help, give me the help oh mighty God, in the name of Jesus, I make you my Lord and my Savior.” Now begin to worship Him if there has ever been a time for a visitation, there are young people that Shawn was talking to just before, you know, you know that he was talking to you, but you know what, even if you are in your seventies, the greatest time of your life is about ready to happen, with God all things are possible. Go for it!

SID: Hello. Sid Roth here with Chad Dedmon. And Chad, you know, your father has, I use the word “chutzpah”. That’s a Hebrew word. It means nerve. Well you have nerve, too. Tell me about this thing in healing on Aisle 10.

CHAD: Yeah. Like father, like son. I was just hungry for some donuts. So we’re always been led by the Spirit, but I was being led by my stomach.

SID: It sounds that way.

CHAD: So I went in, and we’re told that, hey, it’s a green light. If we see anybody that has a cast or a brace, go and pray for them. And so I saw this lady with hearing aids. So I approached her and I said, “Hey, can I pray over your hearing aids?” She was 95 percent deaf for over 30 years, and so I had her take out her hearing aids so that we could see when God shows us, and I began to pray for her, a simple prayer. And I said, “Okay now, just test it out. I’m gonna, just repeat after me.” I get about almost a good, like 30 feet away, and the checkout girl who’s like in her early 20s says, “I can’t hear you any more.” And so the lady that was over 95 percent deaf says, “I have better hearing now than you” to the checkout girl. The checkout girl starts crying. I start crying. And then I started getting word of knowledge for other people in the grocery store. So I asked the checkout girl, “Hey, can I get, you know, share what else God wants to do in the grocery store?” So I get on the intercom and I say, “Attention all shoppers,” and I started calling out words of knowledge.

SID: They let you do that.

CHAD: Yeah. Yeah, they let me do that. I mean, this checkout girl was just weeping and saying, “Hey, this is God. Of course, yes.” And so I just began to, you know, shout out words of knowledge and all these people started coming, about 20, 25 people. Well this woman in a motorized cart comes up and she says, “Well I’m going in for a hip replacement surgery. Do you really think God can heal me?” And I said, “Of course. That’s who He is.” So we began to pray together for her and I’d say, “Well now move it around. Check it out.” She move it and she goes, [gasp] and I’m like, “Oh no, is she in more pain?” And she said, “I couldn’t do this before without pain.” And I said, “Well do something else.” She jumps up out of the wheelchair and she starts running around screaming, “I am healed! I’m completely healed!”

SID: There must have been a crowd around at this point.

CHAD: Oh yeah. Now this man jumps and said, “Will you pray for my carpal tunnel? Pray for my wrists.” And so I began to pray for him and he can move it around, and he gets completely healed, and I’m like, well, you know what? The Kingdom just showed up. I might as well introduce them to the King. And so I began to share about how, “Do you want to be best friends with the Creator of the Universe?” And all these people are saying, “Yeah, I want to be best friends with the Creator.” It was an amazing time.

SID: Jesus is your best friend.

CHAD: He is.

SID: Wouldn’t you like Jesus to be your best friend? He wants to. The choice, it’s yours. Now Chad, you’ve got to tell me about the person. Was this person born without eyeballs, obviously?

CHAD: Yes, yes. He was in his upper 70s and he was born without any eyes. And so me and a few other friends, we were praying for him, and we were praying for him for quite a while, and for just about 20 minutes, and that’s quite a while for us, because we expect God to show up when we ask. So he had never opened up his eyelids before under his own power. And after about 20 minutes he opened up his eyelids for the first time. So we’re thanking God. And then we pray again. He opens up his eyes and he has blue eyes, which for an Indian man is not likely.

SID: Forget the color of the eyes. You saw eyeballs

CHAD: Yeah. It was amazing. I mean, he had no eyeballs. I mean, his sockets were drawn in.

SID: What was it like to see empty eye sockets and then eyes there?

CHAD: It changes your life forever. It does. I was beginning to weep. And he wasn’t able to see completely. He was able to see forms and shapes, but he wasn’t able to see colors or far distances. So we decided, hey, God gave him new eyes. I think he’ll have 20/20 vision, so let’s keep praying for him. So we continued to pray for him. He opens up his eyes again and his eyes changed from blue to brown eyes, and he had perfect vision. It was amazing.

SID: And you found out something about the blue eyes a doctor told you.

CHAD: Yeah, a doctor told me that when a baby is born, a baby might be born with blue eyes and it can’t see color and it can’t see far away. And so basically this Indian man got brand new child eyes that got blue, and then it changed color for him to get full vision. It was amazing.

SID: You know, I see people and I tell them, and they just say, “Isn’t that cool?” That is cool. How about the time that you found a Muslim that was dying?

CHAD: Yeah. This was an amazing time that we saw. We were just doing a meeting on the Father’s love. And so I just invited him just to experience the Father’s love. I invited the whole audience to experience the Father’s love. And so he stood up. I didn’t know his situation. He had surgery earlier. He had liver cancer. And they opened him up to find the cancer spread throughout his whole body. And so they had to close him up because they couldn’t remove any of it. And so they closed him up, stapled him together and told him the news, “Medically we can’t do anything for you. So just go and make peace with your family. You have two weeks left to live.” So this is a week later, his wife brings him to church and we begin to pray. We released the Father’s love. Well as we do that the staples bust open and God begins to do something. And so he runs to the bathroom. I mean, revival is messy. And so he began to just try to figure out what’s going on. He comes and approaches me with his overcoat and he says, “Hey, my staple busted up.” And I’m like, oh no, like stuff is coming out. This is not good. He didn’t even tell me he has cancer. So I prayed for him that all the pain leave. So he goes to the emergency room. They run two different tests on him. And the same doctors that were treating him now run these tests and they say, “We don’t understand this, but the cancer is now dead and it’s leaving your body, literally.” And now this man encountered the love of Jesus, this Muslim man. He was like, “You know what, I want to give my life to this man. I’m in love with this man as well.” Well he’s still going after God to this day.

SID: Chad, as you started to share that story there was a flood of God’s healing power came right into the studio. And I believe that as Chad begins to pray for you that flood with his speaking supernatural words of healing are going to just come together and there is going to be a creative explosion of healing for you right now. Chad, would you pray.

CHAD: Yeah. There is a lady that has breast cancer and you’re to start feeling there’s a heat that’s going to be coming onto your body and God is going to begin to remove the tumors. There’s somebody, they’ve had multiple knee surgeries. You’re wearing a red shirt and God is going to begin to come with heat and you’re to just test it out right now. There’s someone with metal in their ankle. Your name is Tim and just beginning to move it around God is healing you right now. There’s somebody, your name is Deborah. You’ve been in a car accident. You have pain all the way down and up your spine. God is going to begin to release electricity to release healing presence right now. Lord, we just thank you for what you’re doing and just release more. I feel like there’s even people that have had injuries with cell phones where you’ve been on the phone and it might be even a car accident. You might have fell down the stairs. Someone has fallen down the stairs. You were on your cell phone and you hurt your spine. God is touching you right now. And so Lord, we just release your healing presence.

SID: You know I have to ask you something. You said you saw someone with like green shirt. Did you see it or just hear it?

CHAD: Yeah. Actually, I begin to see. Sometimes I’ll see things in the spirit. Sometimes I’ll hear just a small still voice. It just comes in a lot of different ways.

SID: Now can everyone, I mean you’re gifted, but can everyone walk in these gifts? Everyone really?

CHAD: Everyone. You know, Paul told us that we desire all the gifts. We should desire all the gifts. I mean, God speaks to us all the time and His thoughts for us outnumber the sands on the seashore. I mean, He is constantly speaking.

SID: You know, speaking of God speaking to us all the time, He’s speaking to some of you right now. He’s speaking to you right now. He’s saying, “I want to give you the same choice I gave Chad. I want to either be your best friend or you will walk from under my protective covering and it’s not good out there without my love and my protective covering. I want to give you a choice. You can choose me or you can choose to walk without my protective covering. I mean, I have loved you, I have protected you. But now you must make a choice. You must make a decision because yet once more, I God, am going to shake this earth. And those that do not make a decision for me will not be on a firm foundation and they’re going to fall. So choose this day whom you’re going to serve. And it’s so simple you don’t need my help. All you need to do is be honest with God. Tell him that you’ve committed many sins and you’re sorry. Ask him to forgive you, believe his blood just washes it all it away. And when you are clean he’ll jump inside of you and become your best friend. Let me introduce you to your best friend, Yeshua, Jesus, the Messiah, the King of the Jews. And I’ve got some good news for you. You don’t have to be Jewish to believe in the King of the Jews. You just have to love him. He already loves you. Go. Go for it. Go for the gold right now.

SID: Hello. Sid Roth here with Chad Dedmon. And Chad had been dating a young woman and she dropped him. And he was do depressed he started drinking and doing things he shouldn’t do, and his parents shipped him off to where there was an explosion of God’s spirit at a church. That God jumped on him and totally changed him. He goes back to high school. Over a hundred of the students come to believe in Jesus. And Chad, the young lady that she ditched you, I guess you found a new girlfriend?

CHAD: Yeah. Actually what happened when I encountered God is God asked me, Jesus asked me, “Will you date me for a year?” And I took that literally. So I would go out on dates with Jesus, and it was before Bluetooth was around. And so I would talk out loud and I would expect to Jesus and Jesus would talk back to me. And I would go out to dinner and I would order a table for two, and they’d be like, “Okay, where’s the other member of your party?” And, “Oh he’s right here with me.” And I’d order two meals and Jesus–

SID: You ordered two meals.

CHAD: Hey, you know, when you’re on a date you buy your date a meal.

SID: Okay.

CHAD: And so Jesus wouldn’t always eat his food, and so I’d eat it for him. But we had some great times where we just talked, and it was a real time of hearing the Lord’s voice.

SID: But what did the waiters think about this?

CHAD: They thought it was a little weird, a little awkward, but I was okay with that. You know, I was in this place where I wanted to know Jesus.

SID: Did you spend a lot of time with him privately worshiping him?

CHAD: Yes. I would have hours on hours of just in worship. My dad would always be coming into my room seeing if I was going to do the chores and he’d find me on the floor weeping, and he would be like, “I will go mow the lawn.” You know, ‘cause his 18-year-old son on the floor just a wreck for the Lord. It was amazing.

SID: Okay, so then he goes back to that church in Pensacola, Florida, and he was at a men’s prayer meeting and something amazing happened to you, Chad.

CHAD: Yeah. I just kept on praying, “God, I want to experience your presence to a whole new level.” So I was in this prayer meeting and I felt like someone punched me right in the stomach. I went flying back a good five, seven feet. I began to shake so hard under the presence of God that my shoes went flying off, my shirt went flying off, and I was aware that I was in a prayer meeting. I was aware but it was like a distant reality, and it was like another reality that was coming in and I would begin to see the glory of God, and I began to be taken into the throne room where I saw the Father, the King of Glory sitting on the throne. And He leaned over to speak to me. He opens His mouth. I don’t hear anything with my ears and I begin to feel what He’s saying, and it was the deepest revelation of the Father’s love that I have ever had, and that was what causes me to shake because I was feeling just the waves and waves of the Father’s love. And this experience happened for over, like 14 hours. It was amazing.

SID: It sounds so wonderful.

CHAD: Yeah, it really is.

SID: I understand that even today when you reminisce and think about it you find yourself right basking in the Father’s love.

CHAD: Well this is the key, is that you can experience the Father’s love everyday. And it is essential that you have the Father’s love flowing in your life. If you want to live in the supernatural you have to have the Father’s love flowing in your life. Jesus needed the Father’s love. How much more do we need the Father’s love?

SID: And the miracles. I mean, literally, eyeballs materializing. Tell me about that man that fell three stories.

CHAD: Yeah. There was a man in New Zealand. He fell three stories over two years ago, and he fell through a glass roof. He died. The paramedics brought him back to life. They had to do surgery where they removed his calve and his Achilles tendon. And he had no feeling from his kneecap down. And so I prayed for him, and his wife was there. I prayed for him and the first thing I asked him, “What could you do?” He says, “I can’t touch my heel to the ground.” And I said, “Okay, well check it out.” After we prayed he put his heel on the ground. And he said, “I couldn’t do this before.” And I said, “What else?” He said, “I have no feeling. All the nerves were severed. I have no feeling from my kneecap down.” So I said, “Oh, you wouldn’t feel this?” And I began to touch and press on his foot. He said, “Yeah, I wouldn’t feel. I could feel that!” And I said, “Well what else?” And he says, “Well when I woke up this morning I said to God, ‘Wouldn’t it be great if I ran today?’” He could barely walk. And I said, “Me and you are running.” And so I grabbed his hand and we began to run from the end of the stage to the other. He ran just as fast as I could. It was amazing.

SID: Well  i’ll tell you what, that’s normal. Let’s take a look at that actually taking place.

[begin film]

MAN: My heal wouldn’t touch the floor.

CHAD: Your heal wouldn’t touch the floor and now it’s touching the floor.

MAN: Yes.

[applause]

MAN: I can’t feel it. I can’t feel my foot.

CHAD: You can’t feel your foot?

MAN: No. I have no feeling in my foot.

CHAD: So we need to pray for healing. You can’t feel that. Is that correct?

MAN: I can feel that.

CHAD: You feel that where you didn’t feel that before.

MAN: Yes

CHAD: I’m not pressing hard. I’m not pressing hard.

MAN: I can feel it.

CHAD: You can feel that?

[applause, cheers]

Is there any other thing that you couldn’t do before that you can test it out.

MAN: I can’t run.

CHAD: Okay. Well come on. Get up here.

SID: Hello. Sid Roth here. Welcome to my world where it’s naturally supernatural. My guest, Chad Demon, perhaps you saw the show where I interviewed his father, Kevin. Well Kevin says that he can mentor anyone into moving into the supernatural, and what better proof than his son, Chad. But Chad is a pastor’s kid. You didn’t like that. You felt that life played a dirty trick on you and you started rebelling.

CHAD: Yeah. I felt like I was born, you know, into this lifestyle and it wasn’t really my decision. And so I had a real anger towards God and towards my parents where I wanted a normal childhood, per se.

SID: But why did you get into drugs?

CHAD: I was angry. I wanted to make my own decisions and I was tired of, you know, doing what everyone thought I should be doing, and I just went for it. And I started doing drugs and I started liking it, and it took me on a real bad road.

SID: But at night when no one was there and you were in your room you actually could see things happening in the invisible world.

CHAD: Yeah. That’s part of the most demonic activity I’ve ever seen where I would see demons. But even more, I would see Jesus in the corner of my bedroom just weeping.

SID: Didn’t that bother you?

CHAD: For a moment. But then I was just like no, this is what I’m doing. I’m making my own decisions. I was just in rebellion.

SID: And then he said to you, he actually came and spoke to you and he gave you a choice.

CHAD: Yeah. He said, “You could either be my best friend or I’m gonna hand you over to Satan.” And I was like, “Oh my gosh. Okay. I know that you are the only way and I want you to be my best friend.” And I know that that meant if I were to be handed over to Satan that my covering and protection was going to be lifted and Satan was basically gonna kill me.

SID: So what did you do?

CHAD: I said, “Jesus, I want you to be my best friend.” And he just began to just wrap his arms around me and the love of God came into my heart. And all the addiction, all the desire for drugs totally left. It was amazing.

SID: But what is even more amazing is that he could have an experience like that being in a home where his father is a pastor. But he got involved with a young woman and you were involved in things you should not have been involved in at just 15 years old. And then she decides to ditch you. What happened?

CHAD: That was probably the hardest time of my life when I was really depressed and I didn’t know. I put all my attention towards her and she, you know, dumped me, and I didn’t know what to do. I was not in a good place.

SID: And your parents were very upset about what was going on with you. You started drinking and doing things you shouldn’t do. And they forced you to go to, there was a church called Brownsville in Pensacola, Florida that God’s presence just showed up there, and people were having their lives transformed. So it’s kind of a last hope. They sent Chad there, and why did you go?

CHAD: Well I just came into my room and my mom said, “Hey, pack your bags and we’re gonna take you to the airport. You’re going to this youth conference.” And I was like, “What’s going on there? I don’t know these people.” “Well you’ll get to know them when you get on the plane with them at the airport.” And so I went and God met me there. I began to weep. I just felt the Holy Spirit come into my life and I wept for hours and hours, and hours.

SID: But you weren’t going for anything to happen.

CHAD: No, I wasn’t. I wasn’t going. I didn’t expect anything to happen. My parents just said, “Hey, you’re going.” This was like a last ditch effort to see my life get totally turned around. And I went and God completely touched me.

SID: He touched him so much he got back to his school and his old friends, and what happened at school?

CHAD: Well we started just a group to get together during lunch and people started getting saved. We started, you know, it was probably about normally you have about 20 people show up on the high school campus that would say, “Hey, we love God.” But it just started this move that we started seeing, you know, hundreds of people showing up at lunch to pray and to ask God to come during lunch.

SID: Were they coming to the Lord?

CHAD: Oh yeah.

SID: I mean, were people getting healed?

CHAD: Yeah. There wasn’t so much the healings, but a lot of people were getting saved and transformed where we would be having prayer meetings late into the night, and it was a phenomenal time.

SID: Well the thing that is so amazing to me is the miracles that Chad watched. Just give me a preview. When you went to Indonesia, what happened?

CHAD: Well I went to Indonesia and I was so tired of reading in the Bible about the God of David, the God of Daniel, the God of Joshua. I wanted to know the God of Chad. I wanted the God that I read about in the Bible to become tangible in my life. And so I said, okay, where’s the worst persecution happening in the world? And I saw that it was Indonesia. And so I went. I went for it. I was 20 years old and I sold everything, and went there, and I said, “God, show up.” And so I was in this little village and we decided to, we washed everyone’s feet and as we washed everyone’s feet all these people started getting healed. And we’re talking healed of blindness, deafness, arthritis through their body. And I began to see God show up and I began to discover why I was alive.

SID: How about you? Is it time for you to discern why you’re alive? His dad wrote a book because he had such a passion for everyone to be normal. The presence of God just pulsates off of this book. And his dad, Kevin Dedmon, is training young people, older, it doesn’t matter what’s your age, it’s time for you to be normal. When we come back we’ll find out the exploits of a normal young man. Don’t go away. Be right back.