Sid Roth

Sid: My guest Ruth Fazal has had an encounter with the Messiah that is going to dramatically touch your life.  Ruth so we can get together a little bit, you’re a violinist.  You started playing the violin at age nine, why did you pick it up.

Ruth: I’m not sure, I was offered it at school and I actually didn’t like it that much, I wanted to play something else but it kind of took over as time went on.  But not until thirteen or fourteen I completely feel in love with the instrument and then realized it.  It was a like a voice.

Sid: Now your father is an Anglican Vicar.  Now what is a vicar?

Ruth: A vicar? Well it’s a pastor within the Church of England, in England so that’s what they call them.

Sid: Okay, you kind of distinguished you went to Music College in London and Paris and at twenty-two you were in the Toronto Symphony.   But something happened to you when you went to Toronto.  You went to an Anglican Church which makes sense which you bumped into a legitimate revival.

Ruth: I did, not actually in the church its self but there was a real sort of renewal going on in the Anglican Church in those days and it was just really exciting to see the Holy Spirit moving in people’s lives, hearing prophetic words coming from people and just getting the sense that God is so alive.  It wasn’t about going through motions; it was a about encountering a living God and that He is wanting to do things, he’s wanting to say things; He’s wanting to draw us into His Kingdom.  Yeah, it was fairly life changing because in all of that realizing that if God had that kind of call on my life this was surely going to actually effect how I lived my life as a musician as a violinist and all of those things.

Sid: And I have always loved the violin, especially in worship music.  But what you’ve done is well; I’m getting ahead of my story.  Let’s kind of take this in a logical fashion.  Then you found yourself, you were in Toronto at the Toronto Airport Church which was really having a revival, what happened to you?

Ruth: Oh wow, that was pretty amazing; I was actually just in the process of recording a new sort of a new worship album.  And my friend Jeremy is the worship leader at the TCIF as it was called at the time.  He called me up and he said, “Ruth you might want to come play, there is something going on at the church, this guy Randy Clark has been here for like four nights now and it looks like he’s staying.  And so I went out with my friend and just kind of going, “OK, its this —-and undeniably the presence of the Lord was so strong.  I had never experienced anything like that.  And it was funny because I would go back night after night and sometimes I would say to myself, okay I’m just feeling this, I’m like I’m almost syking myself up for it, I’m just going to go in and just decide I’m not going to feel anything.  And then I would go in and I would sit there and then the Holy Spirit would just land on me.  Yeah really something started to happen very deep.  I realizing and recognizing the real presence of God, you know.  I’ve always known the Lord in an intimate way.  I’ve always known the Father in an intimate way, but there was a whole other level of this and it felt like it was the beginning of something very new for me.

Sid: Now, God gives you visions, did it pretty much start there or had that been most of your life?

Ruth: Good question, I think, let’s say it increased, it increased at that time.  I think that it’s that kind of senses that when you start to realize that God is speaking and wanting to make Himself known all the time then your expectation of actually hearing from Him or seeing what He’s saying I think increases.

Sid: Well, the next year 1995 you had been soaking in the presence of God, I understand that you would stay till 2:30 in the morning.

Ruth: Oh yeah, sometimes I would have had a concert in Toronto city, you know concerts finish around 10:30 at night, I’d get in my car and I’d head out to the church because I knew that probably even the main part of the meeting hadn’t finished.  But the ministry time would go one for so long.  And so yeah, I had many many encounters with the Lord in that context and it seemed like everything would start to happen after midnight.

Sid: You know, I noticed that too.  I think that it has to do with the fact that the only ones that will be there after midnight are the ones hungry for God.  Otherwise, people are sleeping at midnight.  Ha-ha.

Ruth: Ha-ha.

Sid: So the next year in 1995 you had a visitation which you really didn’t understand, where Jesus gave you a violin bow.

Ruth: Yeah, oh that was amazing, it was kind of these, it was the end of a meeting and I was laying on the floor at the back of the church and just waiting, just waiting for him you know.  And I felt like I saw Him coming towards me and He was holding, like He was holding out in His hand a bow, He was carrying it towards me and I sort of saw myself stand, I was laying there but I saw myself stand up and He put the bow in my hand and He said, “Here Ruth, this one’s for you, I think you might want to have this one.”  And I didn’t, really I didn’t understand it at that the time except that I knew that it was kind of commissioning; it was kind of, He was giving me something new.  And actually even now as we’re talking I realize what happened next because it was sort of within a year or so that I did the first recording with the violin where I was feeling that I was to just just to play and to let the Holy Spirit come.  And it was all spontaneous and just trust that somehow the Holy Spirit would invade the space wherever it was being played, wherever people would hear it, whoever would hear it so.

Sid: But then a couple years later you had a visitation which Jesus totally clarified what He was doing.

Ruth: Yes, yes then it became even more specific, that’s right.  I remember I had just dropped my daughter off at school and I came back home.  I just felt like the Lord said like, “Just come and sit down a minute,” and so I did and I just waiting and I heard Him say, “Ruth it’s time for a new bow.”  And after thinking, what’s this you know, and then He said, “Reach up and take it.”  So I stood up and I put my hands up to take the bow and it was so heavy like, now heavy in a bad way, heavy in a weighty kind of way and a glory kind of way.  And it was so heavy I just fell to the ground because I realized I could not carry this bow, this bow was something very different.  And then He said, “This bow is a bow of healing, righteousness and forgiveness.”

Sid: What does that mean?  What did it mean to you?

Ruth: Well, not a lot at the time. Ha-ha.  At the time I didn’t understand it, I knew that it was real, I think I knew a little bit about the healing aspect because I’d already seen how God would touch people’s hearts in the context of playing the violin.  And so I’d seen that the way the people would encounter the Lord.  The forgiveness part, I didn’t, you know I didn’t really actually if I think about it now I’m not quite sure how much I understand that part.  The righteousness part though, that sense of His Holiness, that sense of then what He called me to do just a few years later when He asked me to write this piece based on poetry of the children from the Holocaust.  And so it really, as soon as you enter into that whole realm of you know, where is God in those kinds of times.  You never typically encounter His righteousness because you have to acknowledge in all things His righteous and that you know even when we don’t understand that He is good, that He is righteous.

Sid: Now did you see, now by that time you were playing the violin at the Toronto Church but did you see a difference in the anointing after that visitation?

Ruth: I felt it, certainly people said they did.  I’m always, I always seem to be the last one.

Sid: I understand exactly.

Ruth: It’s like everybody else see’s it and they go, “wow,” and I’m going oh, well I was just playing you know.  But, yeah I think more of a sense when I was playing very specific things I think there was an increase in authority.  Like before I would play my violin and it was really lovely to play before the Lord and sometimes I would feel what I was playing was maybe a Word from Him, but He was somehow speaking.  But I think when I started to see was an increase in the sense of the authority that God had stood me in, that now…

Sid: Well, I think that it so phenomenal when you play over people.  Tomorrow I want you, well we’ll play a selection.

Sid: My guest Alyosha and Jody Ryabinov.  Alyosha is a World Class Concert Pianist, but you know Alyosha there’s been such a change, I’ve known you for many years and there has been a such a change in even as you’ve explained you know in the former Soviet Union.  You won awards and competitions and you’ve come from a long line of musicians, but there was a major turning point in your personal life which then affected your music tell me about that.

Alyosha: Well, when I realized that it’s a lot of effort to practice for a two hour concert and I did not want to do it.  At one point God began to speak to me and teach me and He said, “You know maybe I’m not looking for classical musicians in my Kingdom, but I’m looking for those that will worship Me in the Spirit and in Truth.  And I received a new desire to create music for His glory.  And that actually took quite a process and I had, in that process I had several encounters with God and the main encounter I had was when I truly truly experienced His love; that really affected the music.

Sid: You mean previous to that you had not experienced His love?

Alyosha: Not to the same degree, I mean as a believer I had already created some music and I believe that God’s love was flowing through it, but I myself did not know to the degree that God wanted me to know.  Because God is love and you know…

Sid: And by the way, speaking about love, I have here in my notes that you say, “Love has the highest frequency.”  That sort of sounds almost like scripture where it says, “Love never fails.”

Alyosha: Correct, yeah.  That scripture, “God is love,” there’s nothing in the world that is higher than God.  As a matter of fact scripture says you know, “If you’re not comfortable with love, then you’re not comfortable with God.”

Sid: And Jody, as you point out the opposite of fear is love, the opposite of love is fear.

Jody: Right, a lot of people try to just pray away fear or cast out fear, but it cannot really be cast out, it must be replaced with love, an experiential love in the very core of one’s heart and mind and that is something that only the relationship, an intimate relationship with God can do.  And most of us never really got copious amounts of affection love and having parents be presents and look at us with eye contact.

Sid: But we had imperfect parents so what do you expect because they had imperfect parents.

Jody: Exactly, so we’re all really destined to turn to God and there’s is only one way to get there and that is thru Yeshua the Messiah because He paid full price for us to get all the way to the heart of the Father.  Through what He did for us so we can get to the Father God, His love and experience that through Yeshua Himself and so that is what really displaces fear.

Alyosha: Let me in interject this, it doesn’t matter what kind of parents we have, there is a wonderful verse that has to be reality in my life and that is Psalm 27 verse 11.  And it says, “When your Father and Mother will forsake you I will take care of you.”  We have a parent that is the highest being in the Universe.

Sid: Alyosha you had a mentor who is now in Heaven by the name of Jack Frost.  What did he teach you that allowed you to transition into this perfect love?

Alyosha: I heard of Jack Frost first time in the year 2000 and he taught this message, you know that Our Father really loves us and that it is, you know we have hard time receiving His love. Because of our pain and hurts and experiences we had with our Father and Mother, but that is why Yeshua came to heal the broken hearts; He came to heal us so that we would be able to freely receive the love from our Heavenly Daddy.  It was absolutely a wonderful message and I listened to it for years and years and years but listening to the message is one thing, experiencing it is another.  God’s love must be experienced; it took several years before I went to one of the Schools that Jack started for ministers.  A school that lasted one month and it was a lot of difficulty even getting there because you know it’s a lot of money, I have to leave all my responsibilities and go, but I went.  And besides the great teaching, what I received was a group of people that had been processed by God’s love.  And they would just surround you and they would comfort you and for the first time I was in the company of people that you know I didn’t feel like I would have to tell them, “You know I’m a great ministry, I’m a Concert Pianist, I’m a this and that.”  I knew that I was loved with all my failures and all my problems; they loved me because love is unconditional.

Sid: Now, out of curiosity, is it easy for you now to love other people the way you were loved?

Alyosha: Much easier because you know, I’ve experienced it.  And not only that, but when I compose music I ask God to release God’s compassion to my heart and I have no problem you know feeling it flow.

Sid: Well, give us a tip for those that haven’t walked in that realm, give us some tips in how to walk in that realm.

Alyosha: Well, let me just give you first one experience that really transformed me because that was really the major, major transformation in my life.  In that school there was one big man and he didn’t teach much, he would just kind of sneak behind you and he would catch you in his arms and he would begin to bless you with a Father’s Blessing.  And I was uncomfortable with such closeness with man because I didn’t feel close to God, you know, I wasn’t comfortable being close to a man.  And he was strong and big and I’m small and my goodness.

Sid: So he overpowered you.

Alyosha: Overpowered me.

Sid: He overpowered you with love though.  Ha ha.

Alyosha: And he would begin to say “Father, give him all the love that he missed growing up.”  And he’d begin to bless me and I began to feel his heart.  It’s hard to describe because after this a cried for twenty five days straight.

Sid: Now just out of curiosity did you cry much before that?

Alyosha: Almost never because I was taught that men need to be strong, they don’t need to show emotion and all that and in a sense my family suffered because I did not know how to release the fullness of intimacy to Jody, to my wife and to my children.

Sid: Jody what difference have you seen in Alyosha since he’s experienced God’s love?

Jody: Well, the first thing I would say is that he is more sensitive, more attentive, sensitive to God to hearing the voice of God, and to me as his wife.  And then the first thing that really happened when he walked through the door after experiencing this kind of deep intimate love in his heart, not just in his head because he’s a brilliant man, so it’s easy for him to know the scriptures, but what happened when it hit his heart was a total transformation.  As soon as he walked through the door you could feel the difference, I started crying, I just looked at him and started crying, not just out of joy from seeing him which I definitely missed him, but I could sense that there was a change.  And now what we’re doing is we go out to the nations of the world and here in the United States is that we’re sharing this music and the experience of God’s love in the heart and we’re watching that not only transform our lives and our children, but also other peoples’ lives and this is what excites me more than anything else.

Sid: Are you seeing a difference in his music since he had this encounter?

Jody: His music has totally changed; it’s not the same music and not only that, but he gets on the piano now and he’ll start to hear the Lord minister.  The Lord speaks their words of love and he’ll start to repeat what he’s hearing in his heart and in his spirit which is aloud now and it’s totally different than anything he did before.

Sid: Let’s hear some from “The Lord is My Healer.”

Sid: My guest is red hot for the Messiah; you must be on the edge of your seat wanting to find out the rest of this story, you see Delores Winder was a strong strong Bible believing Christian but she believe miracles had ceased.  But she had her youngest son who was, she didn’t want to die until she knew that he’d be taken care of, you see she had a disease in which all of her bones were deteriorating and she was in such unbearable pain.  And they only do this for people that are terminal; they gave her two operations in which they burned out the nerve centers in her brain so that she would not experience pain.  It’s not a reversible operation; they only do it if they know that you’re going to die.  And her body organs started closing down and she reached a point where they sent her home to die.  But there was a woman that she was told about and of course she had heard of this woman, and she thought that she was a big fake, Kathryn Kulman because she would see these miracles and she would see people falling over in the Spirit and she just couldn’t stand it.  But she had the distinct impression that if she went to this meeting, not to be healed, but she would find out what to do with her youngest son, Chris and how he’d be taken care of.  She literally said to God, she had the chutzpa; she had the nerve to say to God, “I’m not leaving this earth until I know my son is going to be taken care of.”  So she went to the Kathryn Kulman meeting.  They carried her out of the car, took her in, she couldn’t stand what she was seeing, so she literally closed her eyes, but the Holy Spirit started talking to her and explaining, in fact you had a vision Delores Winder of what would happen to your son.  Because the Holy Spirit would be with him where he would go, after you had that vision did that bring you comfort?

Delores: Oh, the peace was so great and I knew I could go home and it wasn’t only for Chris, but for Bill also and that they would be at peace.

Sid: Even though you had that peace you were wrestling with a headache too.

Delores: Oh, I had a horrible headache, yes.  But that didn’t bother me because I knew I had my answer for Chris.

Sid: But all of a sudden your legs start there like on fire.

Delores: Yes, and as Dale prepared me to get me out of there my legs were burning and I also knew somebody else existed that night, satan the devil spoke to me and said, “Aren’t you glad you only wear your cast one hour a day now?”  Because I only needed it on when I was up and I would sit up for an hour a day with Bill and Chris and I agreed with that voice.  And I thought “Oh, I can’t wait to get the cast off.”  Because that voice said, “That bone that is sticking out, see he makes it very logical, the bone that is sticking out is putting pressure and that cast is putting pressure on that bone and it’s making your legs burn and it was almost unbearable.”  And just as I was ready for Dale to pick me a man was down by my chair and he said to me, “Something’s happening to you.”  And I said “My legs are on fire.”  And he said, “Would you walk with me, and I said “Get me out of here.”  And he helped me up and realized I couldn’t walk and he said, “How can I help you?”  And I said, “Put one arm around me and take my other arm and with my cane I can shuffle.”  And we started out and he said to me “Have you ever had any surgery?”  Well, anyone in my condition you would almost know they had surgery and I said to him, “I have had four spinal fusions and two percutaneous cordotomies.”  Now, nobody knew what percutaneous cordotomies were and so they wouldn’t ask any more questions, they would say, “Oh.”

Sid: That’s your way of dismissing this man.

Delores: Yes, and this man turned me to face him and he said, “You’ve had two percutaneous cordotomies and your legs are burning, isn’t that rather strange?”

Sid: Well that’s right you have no feeling in your legs, how could they burn?

Delores: Yeah, and I just looked at him and I thought, “He knows what I’m talking about and nobody ever did” but I wouldn’t respond to him and then he started me walking back out again.  We got to the doors to go out the lobby, and he said, “You don’t know what’s happening to you, but you can take your cast off if you want to.” And my instant reaction was, “Dear God, these people are dangerous, this man telling me I could take my cast off who knew nothing about me.”  And I looked at him, but I saw something in him that I knew that he knew something I didn’t know and he said to me again, “Would you want to take it off?”  And you know Sid, I found out a lot of people don’t want to come out of the illness, but I said to him, “I have been in one of these things for over fifteen years and I’m dying.”  And he shook his head and I knew he knew and I said, “Of course I want to take it off.”  The next thing I knew he had me in the woman’s restroom and I’m leaning against the wall and Dale’s there and she says, “Get her cast off of her and get her out to me.”  But when he walked out that restroom anything that I sensed with him in the present was gone and I’m trying to take my cast off and Dale said, “Delores, this isn’t like you, is something different?”  And I said, “No.”  She said, “This isn’t like you,” and I started fastening the cast back up and that man came back in.  And as soon as he walked through that door I knew, “Get me to him, get me out of this and get me to him.”  And he was a doctor from Johns Hopkins Hospital that the Lord sent in there that day, and he came off platform because he had the word of knowledge of my healing.

Sid: So, he picked you out of how many people were in the audience?

Delores: Three thousand.

Sid: And he walks right up to you?

Delores: Yes.

Sid: Because God sent him off the platform with a Word of Knowledge to walk right up to you.  Okay, so you got this cast off, what happened next?

Delores: Then an usher carried me in and Kathryn was waiting for him and turned and said, “What do you have their doctor?”  And as she said, that was the first I knew that he was a doctor and he said, a spine. She said, “Bring her here immediately.”  And they took me up on platform.  And Sid, I was so in my traditional way, and I thought, “Oh, I’m being put in that side show, and all I could think was, “Well at least nobody here knows me but Dale.”  Kathryn made me give my name and where I lived before I left the platform and later she said to me, “You know why I did that don’t you, pride.”  And they got me up on platform and she said to the doctor, Richard O’Ellen, “Tell the people what’s wrong.”  And he said, “All I know is that she has had four spinal fusions and percutaneous cordotomies and her legs are on fire and that’s not possible.”  And he had two other men on stage hold me up while he went to the mike and they had me in an awkward position and I thought if they let go of me I’m going to fall and I’ll fall flat on my face.  And so I had to push my one foot out to kind of get a balance and she I did it came up off the floor and when it came down I thought, “I feel the floor, no, you can’t feel the floor.”  But again I had to get the other foot out because the right leg went out too far, and I pulled my left leg up and it came off the floor and I felt the floor.  And I said, “I can’t feel the floor.”  But all of a sudden the feeling came in my finger tips, my right side, my arm and hands was also free of any feeling.  And feeling started in my finger tips in my right hand and started coming up and when it got up to my waist, they said I started screaming, “I can feel, I can feel.”  And that didn’t mean anything to her because she had no idea what he was talking about.  And she said to me, “Walk.”  And I told her, I can’t.  And she said again, “Walk.”  And as I started walking they said, “I ran, came back and she said…

Sid: You had to be carried into the meeting, and you ran?

Delores: Yes, yes, and when I got back to where she was she said, “Bend over.”  And all the further the doctors bend me was a very short ways and they couldn’t bend me anymore.  And I started bending over realizing I had no pain, I had feeling and I bent over and she said, “Do it again, and the second time I did it, I touched the floor with my hands and from then on it was very difficult for me because I didn’t really, I was in such a fog by that time.

Sid: Did she pray for you?

Delores: No, no and then she said to me, “Just turn around.”  And I turned around and when I did one of the doctors who were sitting on platform, who did not like any of this at all and thought it was a plant and this was a show, and he said, “He happened to look because just a real hush fell.”  And when it fell, he said, “He looked up and he said he saw my body straightening.”  And he introduced me the next year at the Methodist conference and said, “You know, I saw it happen, no one can say it doesn’t.”  But anyway, she touched me and I went down and when they got me up she said…

Sid: But wait a second, you didn’t believe, you thought that was all fake when people were falling down when she touched them.

Delores: In my world this is what I believed.

Sid: I’ll tell you what, I just hate to do it, but we have to stop right now, but wait until you read the full story…

Sid: Hello. Sid Roth here. Welcome to my world where it’s naturally supernatural. Speaking of supernatural, I heard music the other day in my car and it, I believe that when you hear this in a little while that you are going to experience healing deliverance like you’ve never heard before. There’s something so supernatural about it. Then I found out the artist, I’d actually never heard of him, but I had heard of the movie “Fireproof”, and it was the theme music from “Fireproof”. And the song, “While I’m Waiting,” you’re probably familiar with that song, John Waller writes music that breaks curses and releases blessings. It’s so wonderful, it’s so supernatural. But I’d like you to experience “While I’m Waiting.”

John: I’m waiting, I’m waiting on you Lord. I am peaceful. I’m waiting on you Lord. Though it’s not easy, no, but faithfully I will wait. Yes, I will wait. And I will move ahead bold and confident taking every step in obedience. While I’m waiting, I will serve you. While I’m waiting, I will worship. While I’m waiting, I will not face reverting the race even while I’m waiting.

Sid: You know, the song, “While I’m Waiting”, it was from the number one independent movie called “Fireproof”. Many of you have seen that movie. And the song, “While I’m Waiting”, it’s really amazing. It’s got a totally different meaning to John Waller. But John, it’s hard to believe, but you got really upset over a girlfriend. You’re just, what, 12 years of age.

John: Twelve years old.

Sid: You get upset. You get so upset that your mother takes you to a doctor. Why?

John: Well you know, there’s history and depression in my family. My grandmother always suffered from depression, my mother. You know, all my life my mother suffered from that. And so when she saw me get upset about losing this first girlfriend that lasted three weeks long, she just turned to my dad and she said, “I can tell he’s got it. He’s got it.” She just thought, hey, you know, he’s showing signs of depression.

Sid: So they take you to the doctor.

John: Take me to the doctor. He spends about 30 or 40 minutes with me and interviews me, a 12-year-old kid, and within a half an hour he diagnoses me as, back then, we called it manic depression. It’s called bipolar disorder today.

Sid: So as young kid, you were on medicine. What was your life like?

John: Well that day he wrote me a prescription and for the next 20 years of my life, I was on every kind of medication that pharmaceutical companies put out, just to try to get it under control.

Sid: Did you ever believe that you would be free?

John: You know, for most of that 20 years I did not believe it. I had learned to accept it. In fact, you know, it’s become such a way of the world. You know, so many people suffer from depression. And so I just figured it was something I was going to have to live with, a crutch, something God would use in my life as a testimony.

Sid: But you know, what you have described is a classic definition of a curse.

John: Absolutely.

Sid: I believe when his mother said, “He’s got it,” that’s when that happened. And for 20 years, he went through this suffering of depression not feeling or even believing that he’d ever be free. At age 23, John got married. But you still suffered with depression.

John: My poor wife. You know, she put up with so much, you know, me sleeping all the time, me going up and down. You know, when I would be on a medic she never knew what I was going to go out and buy. When I was on a low, she never knew when I was going to come out of it. But the Lord knew what He was doing when he gave me my sweet wife, Josie, because she endured that for so many years of our marriage.

Sid: And then things even got worse. You had a record deal. You finally got it.

John: Well almost. I came close. The record deal was, to me, the pinnacle of success. If I could just achieve that, you know, maybe I would be happy then. So almost got it, but then at the last minute it all fell apart. And that’s when I went to my very lowest point in my life.

Sid: Let’s go to a clip by his wife and find out exactly what he was like.

Josie: Well when John and I got married, with his depression, he was on four different types of medication and the emotional rollercoaster, he was up and down all the time. He slept all the time. He took care of our two children because I went to school full time and was working, as well. And I would come home and, you know, the kids weren’t fed. The diapers weren’t changed. It was just like he was a zombie, almost, walking around. You know, he couldn’t focus on anything. It was very difficult and unpeaceful in our home.

Sid: It’s a matter of fact we want everyone everywhere to win every battle, sound outrageous all you have to do is conquer fear, that’s really the obstacle to faith.  Every time you hear the Messiah talking about areas of the supernatural, He says, “Fear not or your fear has stopped you.  You know I believe that if we could get rid of fear and understand the victory, I mean really understand the victory we have in the invisible world with God’s word, we could win every battle.  My guest, Michael Galiga has lived a lifetime of learning from God, on how to win personally every battle; how to personally conquer fear; how to personally walk in the victory for success in every arena of his life and he’s been called by God to raise you up to that level.  When you look at the circumstances in life, he pointed out to me that the debt situation in the United States is now worse than 1921, were living in the most perilous times in history and fear is epidemic.  We have broken relationships, unemployment, foreclosures, sickness, and yet I say in spite of all of that this is the greatest time to be alive.  Michael Galiga, I want to take you all the way to the age five, I mean at age five I didn’t know the difference between my left and hand my right hand, and you find yourself being translated; tell me about that.

Michael: Well, Sid, yeah I was five year old and it was a very kind of an unusual a scary time for me.  I was in second grade, in Altivus Elementary School, in Phoenix.  My mother had put me in first grade when I was four and I was smaller than the other kids, I was three months premature when I was born, so I was mentally much slower than them and in some of them were eight nine years old.  So I was intimidated almost anywhere I looked but it was about a twenty minute walk to school each day from my house to the school; and I’m walking to school and I just feel this presence of God.  I knew who He was, I did not know any of His names, I just knew that He was God it was completely clear and I just want to tell your listeners that I’m not better than anybody else, but this happened and I reached out to Him and so as I walked to school, as I played on the playground on recess and when I would walk home, I would worship him in every way that a five year old kid could.  Talk to Him, thank Him, thank Him that He was there and wouldn’t let bad things happen to me and would protect me and help me at least, make my grades and pass, but I loved Him.

Sid: But, did you have any real knowledge of God, I was just kind of curious?

Michael: No, Sid my parents were very good people, but there like most people, what little they knew about God, which was very little, they certainly didn’t know him.  They knew something’s about Him, but we didn’t go to church; we didn’t go to Sunday school; they weren’t anti-religion or anti-Jesus, but they just didn’t know; good people though.

Sid: Okay, so one day at age five, you’re playing marbles, I use to play marbles with the other boys and all of a sudden, as you put it time stood still.

Michael: Yeah, and I mean I’m fifty-four years old and a bunch of folks men and women actually played marbles in the day.  And so I’m playing marbles on this huge sidewalk on this second grade classroom and I’m standing up bit watching my buddies play marbles and as you recall, you probably had all your marbles in a sock.  So I’m holding my sock and all the guys are down shooting all there marbles and cat eyes and steles, it’s like when you’ve had surgery and the anesthesiologist looks at you and says, “Okay, count from ten to one, you got ten, nine and it’s all over and your gone.”  And that’s the way it was; one second I was there and another second I was just not there anymore.  The thing that you would call Mike Galiga was gone and then it felt like seven or eight minutes and I was back and I was standing right where I was before and I Iooked around at my buddies and them to go  “Wow, were have you been and what happened?”  And they didn’t say anything, but I felt strangely stronger, much older, in fact I felt like, I didn’t know what I felt until I turned about fifty-three years old and we can get to that story in a minute.  The loop closes at fifty-three, but I felt much stronger, much wiser, still five years old though, but you know I went somewhere Sid, and I knew I went somewhere.

Sid: At that time did you know where you went; did you have any clues where you were going?

Michael: No Sir, I knew that I was gone.  I knew that I went with God somewhere, I knew that I had been gone a lot longer than…

Sid: How did you know? I would have thought, well maybe I imagined it.

Michael: Well, one of the things that happened Sid, is about every six months, for about the time I was five until I was fifty-three, about every six months, God would show up, a few times audibly, and I know that sounds crazy to some people but it happened almost always in my heart enough to write down and this is the word’s He would say, every six months for all those years.  Mike, “Don’t forget that day,” that’s all He would say.  Sometimes I would weep, and go, “Oh Lord, I could never forget that day!”  But every six month’s He would show up and say that.

Sid: And then briefly at age fourteen, you had a very unusual experience with your dog, Dobie.

Michael: Yes, I did of course a lot of families can relate your animals are like family members and Dobie was no exception of that rule.  And he just one day ran off as he did sometimes and just didn’t come back and so I fired up my little Honda trail, my little minibike and tank after tank of gas would search for him.  And I had this elaborate plan and I had a grid sector and I searched everywhere, but the point of the story is that after I think it was after four or five days I just cried out to God.  I was in this field, not far from our house and I cried out with every cell of my body and I just said, “God please help me find my dog.”  I was exhausted and it had been so long that he’s probably dead or run over by a car and not coming back and so as soon as those words came out of my mouth, I had completely surrendered and given up, that was it.  And then there was this voice and it was audible Sid and it was one word, “Stop.”  And it was crystal clear and it was extremely powerful, so much so it shocked me and my hand went off the gas and I gently put the break on an I stopped and as soon as I did about twenty-five feet away there was this giant bush, kind of like a tree type bush, but it was probably twelve, thirteen foot tall, ten foot wide and I heard this whimpering coming from inside the bush.  Now if I hadn’t stopped, I would have never heard it.  So I threw the minibike down, ran over inside the bush and there was Dobie inside the bush; I fought my way inside the bush and he had run away with his leach on, his leach had wrapped around the trunk of this bush.  And I let him loose and he ran home and we had this big party because you know, he had come home.  But I never have forgotten that day.

Sid: So, it’s almost like God’s fingerprint was on everything going on in your life, yet you really did not know Him until you were sixteen and you literally went to a Fellow of Christian Athletes Meeting and got a hold of a track.  Anything supernatural happen or just you finally found the God that’s been dealing with you and you received Him.

Michael: Well, you know the tragedy in all this is and it ends in triumph that when I was sixteen years old and I had never heard about Jesus.  I never heard that He was our Savior and He His blood washed away all your sins, I had never heard that in the United State of America and sixteen year old kid and not at school, didn’t go to church, nice parents, wonderful home.  I had never heard it and this O.U. football player named, Joe Weily came to my high School one night with eleven other O.U. football players and he was everything that I would ever want to be.  He was handsome, he was a four point, CPA student dating a beautiful girl getting ready to get married, and was an All American Football player for O.U.  So he explained to me that night all of this and I accepted Jesus that night.  There were no lightning bolts or anything, there was just total assurance, I had found what I had been looking for.

Sid: You found the God that helped you find your dog when you were fourteen!

Michael: I did, he saved my dog and then He saved me.

Sid: And you’ve had quite a successful career in real estate.  You worked for some of the top corporations in the world.  You consulted for over twenty-five years at the highest levels of corporate real estate nationally and internationally.  Tell me who a few of your clients are of people that you work for.

Michael: Well, out of law school I went to work for Sam Walton and Bud Walton, the founders of Wal-Mart Stores and they and they have passed away now but they and some other people trained me and took me under their wings; and what I didn’t learn in law school, they taught me at Wal-Mart and I bought land bought Wal-Mart stores around the country.

Sid: I bet Sam Walton taught you a lot of good things!

Michael: He did and you know he taught me to pay attention to the little things and the big things take care of themselves.  That was one of the first lessons that he taught me.  And it really served me well, but he was a wonderful man and he treated me very, very well.

Sid: Well, you talked about when you were age five you were translated; you had this vision, you went, time stood still; you went to places you didn’t know what happened, you didn’t know why, but you had constantly think about this event that happened at age five.  And then one day, God explained to you what occurred, tell me.

Michael: Yeah, He did you know I’m fifty-three years old and in fact I’m standing in the same office where this occurred at the moment and one minute I’m working on a real estate here by myself, there is no one else in the office and Sid, it happened the way, that I’m about to describe it.  God’s presence showed up in my office, now I’m a businessman Sid, I’m not a preacher, I’m not an evangelist, I never went to seminary, I’m a normal businessman, pretty good at it and God’s presence shows up in my office, it filled up my office, you couldn’t see it but it was just heavy and it just filled it.  And I just went on the other side of my desk, I got on the floor with my hands out and my face on the floor and His presence just came upon me and I cried out to Him.  And I’d never asked Him, not one time what happened when I was five and it was just the words that were pushed out of my mouth.  And I said, God if you don’t tell me what you landed and what you put on me that day when I was five, I am going to die on the carpet right now.  And then His response was; “Now you’re ready.”

Sid: I’ll tell you what, hold that thought, I recommend, I tell you I’ve read this book on the plane going to Israel and I couldn’t put the book down…

Sid: We want everyone everywhere to being to prophecy, and my guest Denny Cramer, the perfect man to mentor you.  I mean Denny; don’t you wish you would have had a mentor that knew what you learned over the last thirty-three years of prophecy when you first started?  What difference would it had made to you?

Denny: It would have allowed me to probably move into my ministry sooner, but I would not have been as good a teacher in the prophetic as I am now because precisely of what I did go through to learn it myself.

Sid: Now, you mentioned something that I have found to be true, when I’m around say someone with a miracle ministry; I move more in miracles when I’m around someone who moves in words of knowledge; I move more in words of knowledge.  You find that that when people are around you the anointing literally rubs off and they start prophesying.  Tell me about what happened in Albania.

Denny: Yeah, you’re exactly right, the reason that this sort of thing happens is that the anointing Sid, is not just transferable it’s contagious.  In other words, you can just be around it and you can get it.  I was in Albania prophesying to Albanians and my interpreter, a brilliant young woman that spoke perfect English and perfect Albanian, was interpreting my English prophesy to the audience.  When she tapped me on my left shoulder and her name was Elvira, just a sweetheart and I said, “Yes Elvira?”  And she said “Prophet Cramer, I know what you’re going to say.”  And I then said, “Yes, I realize that, you are an excellent interpreter.”  She said, “No, no, no, you don’t understand, I know what you’re going to say.”  I said, “Elvira, oh I’m very confident that you know what you’re doing, you’re excellent.”  She said, “No, before you say it, I know what you’re going to say.”  And that’s when the Spirit of God said, “Your anointing Denny is coming on her.”  I said, “This is cool,” so I said, “Well, alright, what do you want to do with it?”  She said, “See the guy in the back of the church in the red shirt against the wall?”  I said “Yes, I know what you are going to say to him.”  And I said, “Go ahead and say it.”  So I never opened my mouth, but because she came under the umbrella or the canopy of my anointing because it’s not just transferable, but it’s accidently contagious she absolutely read that kids mail prophetically and I never said a word.

Sid: Well, you know Jesus said, or we read in gospels that He knew what people were thinking.  Is that true with you?

Denny: Exactly, it’s not mind reading, it is revelation; we call it the word of knowledge and I have been told many times that I have revealed the secrets of their hearts which is another way of saying you’ve known the very thoughts of the mind.

Sid: Now, I’ve interviewed a man many years ago that had a similar gifting and this is what he said to me, “Sometimes Sid, I wished there was a steel wall between myself and the person.  I don’t want to know what their thinking.”  Has this ever happened to you?

Denny: Yes, in fact what I do I put virtually everything else out of my mind; I concentrate only on that part of the revelation that the Holy Spirit wants me to address.  In other words, if I were to prophecy over you, you would only hear about seventy-five percent of what the Holy Spirit is giving me.  The rest of the information was diagnostic in nature for me understand how to prophecy the solution.  So I often tell people that you’re not going to get everything God gives me for you you’re only going to get the part that I’m suppose to give you.

Sid: Well, I want you to share that story about how the anointing is so transferable on you because with your book that we are making available this week, “You Can All Prophecy” that’s what I’m sensing as I’m reading it, it’s such encouragement to get someone to take a step of faith.  For instance, I find it very, very easy to teach people and then pray for them to speak in unknown tongues.  But it takes a little bit more faith to speak in something you understand, it seems to me the principal is the same; but why does it take a little more faith than with tongues?

Denny: Because we’re simply not as accustomed to expressing an inspired message in our known tongue as we are in just speaking in a language that we never learned, but it does not have to be interpreted.  In other word, when you’re prophesying you’re not only being inspired but you have to articulate what you’re being inspired about.  This is why I tell people, they ask me often, “How does this word, how does prophecy work?  And I tell them “I don’t know, it’s a gift,” and that’s the answer.  It works because God put a gift in the church, known as the gift of prophecy.  People say, “How do you do it?”  And I’ll say, “It’s a gift.”  They’ll say, “What does the voice of the Lord sound like?”  I’ll say, It’s a gift,” if you read the scriptures it put this way, “God put His Word in the mouth of Jonah ,” or “The word of the Lord came to Samuel.”  That’s the only way the writers of the Bible could explain it.  You just can’t explain a phenomenon, it’s a phenomenon; you can’t express more about what prophecy is other than to say that it is a gift; it is a gift.  God gives the ability to hear from Him and to speak for Him.  So all we have to understand is that there are certain steps to receiving gifts and releasing gifts, but fundamentally all this prophesying that is going on is just the result of an incredibly generous God who 2,000 years ago decided to put the gift of prophesy in the church and then Sid, make it available to every believer that wants it.

Sid: And now I noticed that you have had a number of prophecies of things that have come to pass internationally, although you consider your specialty really for individuals, but you prophecies the Afghanistan War, the Indonesian earthquake, the terrorist bombings in England.  And again, were these things you saw in advance or how did you receiving these prophetic words?

Denny: Regarding the predictions that you are referencing I was actually preparing a sermon one day in my office, when I looked up at the world map on the wall of my office and God began to give me impressions for some fifty-five different nations.  Most of if good, some of it not so good; and He began to reveal to me various things including some of the predictions that you mentions.  This was back in ’97, so it’s a fifty-five nation prophecy, but this is long before those things ever took place and there is a reason for that.  If you’re a prophet you do one thing more than anything else, and that is you predict.  In other words, someone said, “Well, I’m an apostle,” good here’s the question I want to ask you, “What have you built?”  Why?  “Because apostles are master builders.”  Alright, you’re a prophet, great “What have you predicted and what has come to pass?”  What do you mean?  That’s what prophets do.  It’s like saying, I’m an evangelist, “Do you have any converts?”  No, “Then you’re not an evangelist.”  You’re a pastor, show me your flock; “What do you mean?”  You said you’re a Pastor, “Show me you’re flock.”  You’re a teacher of the word, “Okay, give me some of your teachings so that I find out if you know what you are talking about.”  These are what the fivefold ministry do, apostles – build, prophets – predict, that’s what we do.

Sid: Speaking of predicting, at the start of 2010 God showed you insight into the year 2010. I’d love to hear what God told you.

Denny: He gave me ten words, which is kind of cool; ten words for 2010, ten words for 2010 and these are the little word that He gave me:  Number 1: Obey, Number 2: Secret, Number 3: Filters.  Number 4: Honor.  Number 5: Wisdom.  Number 6: Creative.  Number 7: Media.  Number 8: Fear. Number 9:  Holiness.  Number 10: Dream.

Sid: Now I could speculate on all ten of those but, why don’t you tell me what God meant by all of those ten words.

Denny: First of all He said, they were for all believers’ worldwide, this was not just for America; this is a word for the Body of Christ.  The first word Obey, He showed me if each believer begins or continues to obey God, the devil is going to experience extreme frustration and failure in his attempt to delay or destroy the will of God.  In other words simple obedience for 2010 is going to produce incredible spiritual victories.

Sid: So, as we obey we give the devil a nervous breakdown, is that my shorthand, is that correct?

Denny: Listen to this, he has virtually no strategy that can successful stop a believer who is operating in obedience.  This will be the key to our spiritual warfare in 2010.  Not binding and losing, not casting out, not prayer and fasting, not intercession, obedience.

Sid: Tell me the second word, that’s enough, as we say at Passover, it would have been enough, but give me a second word.

Denny: The second one is really exciting to me.  He gave me the word secret.  He said, “That as each believer walks in obedience God will begin to share even more prophetic secrets with them through the prophets.  In other words, for 2010 the prophets are going to begin to operate in a much higher level of revealing or unveiling secrets to the church.  We know the verse in Amos; the Lord God does nothing of any spiritual significance without first revealing His secrets to his servants the prophets.  And I saw that for 2010 the prophets are going to begin to equip the church by operating on a much much grander scale regarding prophetic secrets and that word means intimacies and confidentialities, private information, secret counsel, so the prophets are going to start reading mail.  I mean they are going to start operating…

Sid: Oh, we’re out of time I hate to do this Mishpochah, but we’ll pick up right here on tomorrow’s broadcast, I want to hear those other eight Words.

Sid:  I’ve been interviewing all this week, Ken & Jeanne Harrington on their new book “Shift,” moving from the natural to the supernatural; why is this so important?  Well number 1. “Aren’t you tired of walking in a big circle for so many years when you’re only one week away from the Promised Land from the promises of God?  Aren’t you tired of that long walk?” Well there’s something missing and God’s been working on your character and I have never read a book that is so jammed packed with spiritual nuggets and examples and then supernatural prayers at the end of each chapter so that you will walk in the character for God to trust you to move in the supernatural.   This is it.  This is the wrap up; do you want to be on the shelf, walking in a circle for the next forty years or do you want to be involved in the front lines of the greatest out pouring of God’s Spirit in history?  Now Jeanne, you told me about how God has entrusted such supernatural gifting to you, but I believe if you had this gifting and you didn’t operate in the character that I read about in this book you would have ship wrecked long ago.  Tell me the story about your pastor.

Jeanne:  We needed a pastor and I was just doing ordinary things and praying, but then one night I had a dream and in the dream I was given the name of man that I did not know and I saw him.  And I had a whole prophetic revelation for him and part of the revelation was that he had lost his luggage and I would pull a suitcase from Heaven and all the clothing fell down from Heaven for him.  And so I didn’t know who he was or how to get a hold of him, but I knew from God that I had to contact this man and give him the word, I had received.  I didn’t even know that he would be our pastor. And so I phoned a fellow that knows quite a few people in the ministry and I told him that he had a French last name and he gave me the man’s name, his name is Mark Breezebois and so I phoned him and he wasn’t home; so I left a message on the phone that I had received a word from the Lord for him.  He went on to he was in Ontario with a conference and he ran into somebody that knew us and he began to relate how a lady from Bruce Grove had a message for him.  And the man said, “Well, would it be Jeanne Harrington?”  He said, “Yes, you can trust her.”  So I was at a lady’s retreat and I came home and he had changed his flight from Ottawa to instead of going right home to Vancouver he stopped off in Alberta to come and see us.  And so when I arrived home from the ladies retreat he was sitting in the living room and I told him what I had seen.  Now he was operating by faith, moving in his ministry at that time.  They did not own a house; he wasn’t in Alberta, he wasn’t out pastor, but because of that word and other words God gave him to confirm it they ended up coming here.  They ended up buying a house; their house, their new house is totally paid for; he drives a Lexus; he is traveling all over the world; he’s going to El Salvador this week; but I saw that God knew who the right person was and God also wanted to bless and where he had nothing before God just moved him into prosperity.

Sid:  You know, it’s so wonderful the way you to move in the supernatural.  Tell me about the time you were translated.

Jeanne:  We were in Hawaii and we’re looking at the coffee plantations and driving down a rural road and all of a sudden I felt a real pain in my heart and I began to cry and weep in the car.  And then suddenly I felt like I was right outside of the car, outside of my body into a person’s little house and it was a man and he was bent over and he was very depressed and he was in sorrow and he wanted to commit suicide and I could feel it so strong.  So so I began to make declarations to choose life, I began to say, “Choose life and I began to make declarations about God’s love for him and that he was loved and that there was hope and that God had a plan for his life.”  And I began to push back the darkness as I began to bring in the Word of God I could feel the darkness shift until I could see him lift his head and then I could see him shake it off; and then all of a sudden I was back in the car and I was still weeping in the car.

Sid:  Now, did you see yourself in his house?

Jeanne:   Yes, I did.

Sid:  Now, you know again, Mishpochah you will have to walk in the character of Jesus to be entrusted with the gifts of the kingdom of Jesus.  There was a time that God was giving these gifts out just wholesale and there wasn’t character and God saw that this was not good because His creation fell and stumbled and many of them even lost their salvation.  And we’re coming into a time in which God is looking for the people; His Spirit is desperately searching for the people to pour out these gifts.  Will they have character; will they be thankful in situations that only a believer could be thankful in?  He’s looking for people like that; tell me the story about Randy.

Ken:  I was working in construction and this young fellow was my foreman, I was older and more experienced, but he had the job and I was just working for him and there became a chance, I got a phone call to come out and work as a maintenance mechanic out at a mine.   Which would mean I was home every night which was something I really wanted because construction can get you all over the place.  And the gentleman asked that hired me asked if I would bring somebody with me and so I felt in the spirit to invite Randy, which is a fictional name to come up with me.  And so we drove out and filled out our paper work, I got mine in first and threw it in the basket and then he threw his on top of mine.  Well then the secretary comes along and she takes the top one and I think we were #448 and I became #449 which wouldn’t seem like anything accept it was a union job site and that meant he actually had seniority on me.  Well a few months later there was a situation came up that they wanted to deal with and they needed to lay some guys off and so Randy got laid off, but because the secretary had given him the lower number he decided to bump me or to force me to be laid off.  Now I was upset with this, but what happened is that it was all in God’s purposes.  In the few months that I was off Jeanne and I started a company and God has blessed it tremendously since it is still going.  I ended up going back to that site when they recalled us and started working somewhere else and God encouraged me to actually bring Randy along and set him up as one of my foreman.  Now it would seem strange that the guy who stabbed you in the back you’d be called to bring again, but what God was developing in me was the ability; don’t worry about what people do; don’t worry about what people say; the promotion comes from the Lord and he was training me to really love even the Judas that is in our midst because God has a purpose for him.  And sure enough he stabbed me again and I ended up losing my position in the second company.  But I actually had a chance to talk to him and share Christ with him; I’ve heard that he actually gave his heart to the Lord, but that’s not the key.  The key was he was God’s tool to form my character so that I’m not worried about people when their character is not quite right I can still love them.

Sid:  You know, I wish, I wish I had been given this book as a brand new believer; I mean these are areas that aren’t even spoken about; what keys to walking in the blessings of God.  Jeanne is God showing you that will shortly happen in the United States and Canada?

Jeanne:   I had a dream that there was a Tsunami wave coming and God plopped me in the middle of the Tsunami wave and I had to ride a surf board right to the end.  It was scary, it was so scary it was powerful; it was this powerful move of God coming and it’s going to come across Canada and the US.  There’s going to be a great harvest coming, but to prepare for the harvest we’re going to go through hardship because we haven’t been in line with God’s word; things are going to happen that causes us to run into God; run into His Word.  But this harvest is going to come, it’s going to be immense it’s going to be powerful and every person is going to be used that wants to be used for the glory of God.

Sid:  I have Brenda Kunneman on the telephone and we’re talking about her brand new book, “The Supernatural You” and I’ll tell you Brenda, I don’t know if other’s have told you this, but the anointing on the book and the persuasive words would convince anyone that the same power that caused Messiah Jesus to rise from the dead dwells within them would cause anyone to believe they can do the same works that Jesus has done and even greater.  Is this the feedback that you are getting?

Brenda:  Oh yes, hallelujah and that it has been my whole heart and I think has been my mission for the whole time that I’ve been in the ministry is to get people to release their own power.  You know we need more than just somebody on television; we need an army of believers that can manifest miracles.  They need to show miracles in the workplace.  I had a story in fact before I was in the ministry, if I could share this.

Sid:  Please.

Brenda:  Before I was in the ministry one of the stories that I think that this might be in the book, if I remember it; I was working in the secular world in a bank and I said, you know God I have just been praying for my boss and I wanted her to have an experience with God.  And she took me in to do my review and this is why this anointing is so important and she was going to talk to me about my performance at work.  And I said, well that’s no problem and the minute we shut, we went into a conference room, we shut the door, thank God the curtains were closed, and she never even started the review, you know I was all prepared like a good employee for whatever she had to say to critique me, and she immediately burst into tears and said, “Pray for me.”  Now, you know she must have sensed something, I’m telling you I put hands on that woman, I was bold, I put hands on her, she didn’t know the Lord, was not a Christian; the power of God hit her; I prophesied to her about something’s that were going on in her body which I was not aware of the whole story and the Lord gave me a word for her about a digestive issue at that time and she said, “Obviously that there wasn’t any way you knew this but by God had to show you.”  Now her life was totally touched by the power of the Lord.  If we didn’t have the supernatural those people might not be able to believe or see the real God that we serve unless we can manifest the resurrection power of Jesus the Messiah.

Sid:  Yeah, but there’s someone listening to us right now, “Oh but that is Brenda Kunneman that’s not me, all I am is a housewife, all I am is I go to work every day and it’s all I can do to read a few minutes of the scriptures before I plop in my bed and I’m done.

Brenda:  Listen housewife’s my fill; I’ve had the most supernatural occurrences cooking dinner; I’m a mother and a wife and all of that and I lived to bring the supernatural into my everyday occurrences.  That is the way God has used me and the way God has shown me that the supernatural needs to work. It’s not just for the person on television that and I want to encourage those that are listening out there that God, He gave you the same Holy Spirit that he gave the preacher, He gave you the Holy Spirit, He knows that that preacher can’t be there while you’re frying eggs and something happens to one of your kids.  He knows that and so he gave you your own resource, the only reason that TV there are certain annointings that go with gifting for the ministry and specifically, but the preachers also have to learn how to tap into the same well that the housewife does that’s at home we have the same and here’s what I want people to really hear, we have the same Holy Spirit.  The Bible says, “Out of your belly shall flow rivers,” that’s plural rivers; that means that there’s an anointing for every different situation that applies to life.  And what I teach people in the book, are principals for self deliverance, some people are bound by demons and think man if I could just get somebody to lay hands on me or if I could get to that meeting.  And that has its place, we need that dimension of the anointing in the supernatural, but we can’t always depend on it because it may not be available.  We can’t always wait for the next word from the prophet we’re in a crisis today.

Sid:  Why do believer’s have more confidence in someone else hearing from God than themselves? 

Brenda:  Well see, and that’s one of the biggest things that I teach in the book, is learning how to have the confidence to hear for yourself.  And this is one of the things of course Sid, we’ve been talking about on the program is to train yourself to say, “I am anointed.”  See the Bible says that how God anointed Jesus of Nazareth who went about doing good, healing all that were oppressed of the devil; God anointed Him with the Holy Spirit and with power.

Sid:  Know what?  Just before you go out to speak there’s things that you do.  I believe that everyone just before they go outside their door they should be doing this.  What should they be doing?

Brenda:  One of the things that the Lord told me one time, this was before I was getting ready to preach at this big crusade, the Lord said, “I want you to preach your message in tongues.”  And you know that, that sounded kind of strange to me, but I said, “Oh well, okay God and so…

Sid:  So you mean you preached it before you went out to speak?

Brenda:  I went in my bedroom which is kind of off our bedroom I have a little prayer room and I just paced in that little space and I pictured myself preaching to these people.  I had never been there before, but in fact I had a picture of it.  And because see praying in tongues is that river to the supernatural and I teach the concept in the book.  And I was pacing, I prayed in tongues, prayed in tongues and I mean my tongues got unusual, they were preaching tongues; I don’t even know to put a word on that but it was just it was like I was preaching in the Spirit.  And I got to that meeting and of course the place looked like I saw it and my message was like, I preach like a woman from another world.  And that very day, I heard God say lay hands on the people, now it’s pretty rare that I’ll just lay hands on a lot of people, especially when there’s thousands there.

Sid:  Thousands?  How many were there?

Brenda:  I want to say three or four thousand and the Lord said, pray for the sick and I thought you know God, usually we’ll ask the Holy Spirit for something specific on how to orchestrate that because that is a lot of people.  And I’m telling you I had supernatural energy, by the time that meeting was over I laid hands on, this is no exaggeration on probably thirty-five hundred people or better.  There were people jumping out of wheel chairs, there were people running that had leg problems.  One person, it was a woman had this huge swelling in her ankles, I mean she looked like she had you know her legs were so thick you couldn’t tell the separation of her leg to her foot, I mean it was just this huge and it went down right there in the meeting; I watched it with my own eyes.  But this came from, God showed me something through this experience, this came from ministering in tongues prior to the meeting.  And God told me you made the way for that; that river of anointing that came out of you was a river that went to that meeting place ahead of you.  So when you walked into there literally you stepped into that room you stepped into what you already forged; you made the supernatural come to pass by bringing that river out of your own spirit.

Sid:  Brenda there are people listening to us right now that have never been baptized in the Holy Spirit, never spoken in unknown tongues.  And there are people that have been baptized in the Holy Spirit and have spoken in a supernatural language, but they don’t bother doing it anymore.  Why should someone be praying in tongues?

Brenda:  Well, I believe that really truly that the Pentecostal experience is something that many in the church have really lost, but it’s as I look at scripture the pivotal event that really changed history.  Now when I say that I qualify because people will immediately say, “Well wasn’t the resurrection of Jesus Christ the most pivotal event in history?”  And absolutely yes it was, but it was all to set up for so that the Holy Spirit, God Himself He was always God wanting to be in us the way He was with Adam.  He wanted to be in us, that was always what He waited for.  My husband had a revelation years ago, he said, “I believe the reason the Holy Spirit came on Pentecost in a rushing mighty wind was because God couldn’t wait to fill His people.”  And so all of Jesus…

Sid:  So God’s in a bigger hurry than we are, is that what you are saying?

Brenda:  He is, and God was setting up by the resurrection power of Christ to make us the temples of the Holy Spirit and if you look through the scripture in the Old Testament in Ezekiel 47 there was the four levels of the waters that started at the ankles, went up to the knees, the waist and then it was a river that could not be crossed over.  And I was looking at this; this is why Pentecost was a pivotal event, the Bible points to it.  And I was studying through this one time and I thought, “Oh man, God there were 4,000 cubits of water by the time that it was a river that’s over flowing in Ezekiel 47 there was 4,000 cubits.  Now historically people say that the earth is about 6,000 years old or about 2,000 years since the resurrection of Jesus, that would make Pentecost somewhere in the 4,000^th year of earth’s history.  And it’s interesting to me that the Bible says that to the Lord, a thousands years as one day, 1 Peter 3:8 “A thousand years is as one day.”  And I thought 4,000 cubits of water to overflowing and Ezekiel 37 is pointing to the river of Pentecost that is to flow out of every believer.  God making everyone of us supernatural being that can manifest the supernatural occurrences from Heaven.  That’s what has been on God’s heart, so everybody listening needs to realize that Pentecost wasn’t, God never wanted to be an option, He wanted to make it, this was the event He waited for it was the event the supernatural event that changed history.  I think of the twelve disciples, look what Pentecost did for them.  You had Peter who went from denying Christ to after Acts Chapter 2 preaching one of the most confrontational sermons in the New Testament.  What turned this cowardly man into one of the most bold strong apostles of the New Testament Church?  He was transformed; you had twelve apostles before Pentecost…

Sid:  Well what caused Brenda Kunneman to go from a lukewarm non-Spirit Filled Christian to someone that the world would call, fanatic?

Brenda:  Yes, with that…

Sid:  Ops were out of time is up!

Sid:  I’m so excited about my guest Brenda Kunneman because she had a dream from God on what God is up to with Jewish people and what God is up to with the church and the emerging of the two together.  It’s amazing revelation that you need to listen to because it’s going to prepare you for the return of Jesus.  Now Brenda on yesterday’s broadcast we were talking about the premise of your brand new book, “The Supernatural You” and this is literally a handbook to prepare people to not go to a major Evangelist, but go to the power of God that dwells within them.  You are so convincing in your book and there is such an anointing for someone to be convinced that same power that raised Messiah, Jesus from the dead dwells inside of them.  But I have to find out a bit about you.  Brenda, you were raised in non-Spirit Filled Christian home, they love God, but your parents literally were against speaking in unknown supernatural languages.  How did this change? 

Brenda:  Well, you know we were kind of in a powerless Christianity, the Bible says you know the power comes on you through the Holy Ghost.

Sid:  Is that why you have such a passion today for Christians to walk in the full power that God has because you know what it’s like to be powerless?

Brenda:  Yes, absolutely and also because I learned to cultivate my life.  As we were growing up you know we had just a secular view of Christianity and we loved the Lord in concept.  But interestingly enough, just to give you a picture on the supernatural my Father everywhere we went, he was military and we traveled around and of course a lot of these remote base locations there weren’t churches everywhere to go to.  We had kind the base chapel, there was Catholic, Protestant and that was it.  And so every military assignment we had Sid, I kid you not there was always that one tongue talking Christian that found my parents.  And now that’s an occurrence and they always found them and to the point where I even knew who the families were all the years growing up as a child and I finally asked my Mother one time, I said, “Mother what is the meaning of speaking in tongues?”  She said, “Well that’s just something believe in, we don’t do that.”  But we were kind of in that point of Christianity by then that you know people if they don’t have any power, they don’t get to see the supernatural they teeter back into the world.  That’s the reason I believe so much in the supernatural power in the church.

Sid:  And by the way that is my gravest concern of a whole flock of brand new Christians that are going to churches that hold back on the supernatural; they will eventually when times get tough fall back into the world.

Brenda:  That’s right because they don’t see any power, that’s why the world is in love with things like Harry Potter because they see the occult world manifesting more power than the church.  But, and so I remember as a teenager asking my parents about this and I think that we were at a point we were going back into the world.  And my Father, you know I was a teenager at the time none of the kids were, we weren’t behaving right and we we’re going for the Lord at all and my Father I think in a moment I think in desperation talked to the one Spirit-Filled guy at his work.  They were always there, I cannot even tell you and he ended up getting filled with the Holy Spirit!  My Mother comes home one day to her dismay I think and she said, “I have to tell you,” she pulled me aside in the kitchen, she had this big secret, she said, “Your Dad speaks in tongues.” And I was like “Aw!” and God came on me at that moment; I felt for the first time Sid, the presence of the Living God.  Now we had been professing Christians, but for the first…

Sid:  Do you know most Christians cannot even make that statement that you just made?  I felt the presence of the Living God.

Brenda:  Yes.

Sid:  And that’s normal.

Brenda:  It is, it is and I knew I felt something.  I mean my stomach jumped up and down, and right away I thought, I didn’t say this to my Mother but I thought I want that, I have to have that.  Now to show you why I’m so determined that every believer needs to learn how to manifest miracles out of their life and I mean real miracles, I’m talking tumors falling off, I’m talking people that were hopeless drug addicts, completely completely free in a moment time.  I’m talking the impossible miracles, things that doctors said absolutely could not be cured; things that turn around in finances; and the reason I think that there is going to be so many miracles with healings and finances in this hour is because those are the two areas every believer at some point deals with.  Everybody has health and money issues and so those areas of miracles are so important, but the reason that I’m so determined is that what you can’t always call into the TV preacher.  If you get up in the middle of the night and your baby can’t breathe, you got to learn how to manifest the power right then. 

Sid:  How about its winter time, it’s cold and there’s a power failure.

Brenda:  That’s right!

Sid:  Or snow is twenty inches high and you can’t get to a grocery store and you’re out of food,  I mean things happen.

Brenda:  That’s right and you have got to have that well, that’s why God gave it to us; we never have to leave that presence.  And the minute my mother told me that I said, “I have got to have that.” And I never went and waited, called anyone to pray for me, I mean we had people tell us to get someone to lay hands on you and pray.  I said no, I’m getting that, I’m getting that, I just knew I could, I went into the bathroom, I guess I figured nobody would bother me in there.  I went in shut the door and I immediately spoke in tongues, I said Holy Spirit I want that now and spoke in tongues right there pretty matter of fact I left the bathroom from then on I cannot tell you, Sid I felt literally like something pumping on the inside of me, it was the presence of the Holy Spirit.  I would feel jolts of electricity of the Holy Ghost going through me as I was still in High School at the time, I would go to school and I would feel the movement of God in my physical body.

Sid:  Were you praying in unknown tongues much?

Brenda:  Right after I got filled with the Spirit I started praying in tongues and it was so supernatural at that time, I could remember going to bed praying in the Spirit, wake up singing in tongues, all night.  I’d go to bed praying…

Sid:  So what was going on with you this is what it sounds like, you would pray in tongues, pray yourself to sleep, and then you’d be praying all night while you were sleeping in unknown tongues and then you’d wake up praying out loud.  That is wonderful!

Brenda:  And I was fifteen years old at the time and I thought, God I want everybody to have this kind of power flowing out them and I got just me and a Bible, just me and the Holy Spirit.

Sid:  Now, what happened with your entire family, after this affected your Father and then yourself?

Brenda:  You know my mother got, she was just so happy everybody was not being rebellious, she decided to get on board, my sister got on board, in fact she serves in the ministry with us today as one of our Associates in the ministry.  She got on board, she was nine years old, she started praying in tongues and I’m telling you that was the moment of our supernatural.  It was supernatural pretty much within sixty days we were all speaking in tongues and from then on we have seen the most incredible miracles.  At one time my Father nearly died and the devil really tried to take his life and I had and this is why we need the supernatural, he would have died I’m convinced of it.  The doctor said, “We’ve never seen somebody with this live.” He had renal failure from a complication with diverticulitis, he went into a coma, several of his organs shut down, his liver shut down, his you know kidneys failed, he was on 100% oxygen.  And I had a vision of Jesus walk into his hospital room and go over to his bed, turn around put His back up to where my Father was laying, now he’s in a coma and this was another dream I saw it I was taken up in a vision, put His back up to my Father and as he turned His back, I thought well Lord, you are turning Your back on my Dad, what is that?  And He had on a white robe, two angels walked in a vision and took he had two like little buttons or clips or something on his shoulder and the angels undid them, and at that moment his shirt fell down on where he was just wearing a tunic around his waist and his back was completely covered with scars, covered with scars.  And at that moment I saw in the Spirit by His stripes your Father is healed and just days after that, he came off the oxygen, he was sitting up, he was talking all within about thirty days after the doctors said that he’s probably going to die.  Now this is why we need the supernatural.  This is why every believer could be confronted with a thing like that, and I believe without that anointing of the Spirit he would have been dead today.

Sid:  And you know what bothers me?  So many healing evangelists on television of selling vitamins.  Now I personally believe in vitamins, I take vitamins, but should that time be spent on emphasizing the miracle power of God?

Brenda:  Yes.

Sid:  Rather than spending the time selling vitamins?

Brenda:  Yes, absolutely, I mean I can’t tell you I’m dependent on that anointing that flows from within, but what I want believers to know is that they need to know how to cultivate that.

Sid:  Now wait, were out of time, but we’ll talk about that on tomorrows broadcast.

Sid:  Well, my guest Brenda Kunneman, red hot is understatement for her.  Brenda, are you seeing in your ministry an increase in the miraculous?

Brenda: Absolutely Sid and I just want to say thank you for allowing me to be with you today on the program.  But you used the word the word understatement.  I can’t even tell you the occurrences of the supernatural things of God.  I think were living in a supernatural season where God is wanting, it’s His heart, He’s hungry to manifest himself through the most unusual signs, wonders, miracles.  I’m seeing an increase of it; I hear reports across the world seeing increase of it.  But more than that is that this has been God’s heart from the beginning to manifest signs and wonders in the life of every single believer.  That’s His heart, that’s his total pivotal moment is for Him to fill the life of every believer everywhere so that they can manifest their own miracles and I love that.

Sid:  I recently interviewed your husband, Hank Kunneman and he is known for his prophecies on a national basis, on an international basis, literally affecting countries, destinies, but he said to me that you really have developed your gift of personal prophecy.

Brenda:  Yes and one of the things God has used me in as of late is to give the pulse, specifically for the church and where the Christian is and you know Christian’s function, but in the middle of that is to speak into the life of Christians.  But mostly though so that God, through the power of the Holy Spirit can empower them to be used in signs, wonders and miracles.  And so I love to let the Holy Spirit and prophecy to that.  A lot of times when I minister to people I will see a prophetic destiny over them.  You know God will say things like, you know, he will give them a name.  Your name is none in Heaven, or I see you as or like Peter’s name was Rock, I see you as Rock; well God will speak a word and usually it’s their destiny.  I’ll see the word Pastor written over their head, I’ll see the word…

Sid:  Excuse me, because I’m really fascinated by this.  You said you see the word Pastor written over their head.  Do you literally see this or you sense it?

Brenda:  You know, it just depends; I’ve had times where I saw it flash, sometimes it will look like a shadow; and a lot of times you know of course you probably hear this all the time; people have trouble describing their supernatural occurrences because…and I’d like to talk about that for a minute because sometimes the most supernatural things appear very natural and we confuse them with the natural unless you tune yourself to the supernatural.  So sometimes if you’ve learned to tune yourself to supernatural, what is the most natural will be seen, it will be supernatural; so sometimes I’ll see that shadow, I’ll see a flash, sometimes I’ll hear the words I’ll hear the words boom out from out from within me or I, so sometimes it’s come in different ways, but I’ve learned how to tune the ear to that.  So I won’t go wow, did I just think that or was that an accident?  And I noticed that the more you tune yourself to those things and you practice it, if I can use that word, if you practice it the more pronounced it becomes. 

Sid:  Isn’t it interesting that my perception always was well a gift is a gift, but what I have found is that gifts develop.

Brenda:  Yes, absolutely and this is where God wants his people to be right now because every believer, I was having a time of prayer this was some years ago and I said, “Oh God, you know I want to have this face to face experience the way Moses did.  I want to see you; and the Spirit of God spoke up in me and He said, listen to what I have to say, he said, Moses would have dreamed to have what you have.”  And I thought Lord, oh My God what are you saying to me.  Moses would have dreamed!  And He said, it is my intent that every Spirit Filled believer, every Spirit Filled Believer is to be a walking Tabernacle of Power, a walking Tabernacle.”  When Moses left the mountain or the Tabernacle of Meeting, when he left that, he left the presence, so when he went down, he knew that’s why in Exodus 33 he said, “God I beseech you, I beg you show me Your Glory!”  Well, a few verses earlier it said, He had spoke to God face to face.  If you study that out it really means he was in the presence of God, not that he looked upon God’s face.  He was inGod’s presence and what was he still hungry for?  What was he still craving after all of that to say “God, I beg You, show me Your glory.”  He knew that whenever he walked out of that place he felt alone.  He was separated from the presence of God.  And the Lord began to show me through scripture, this is laced throughout the Old Testament, we see it in the Bible in John 7:37 and 38 that we are to be that Tabernacle of Power.  We are in the presence, Moses had to leave the presence when he left the Tabernacle; I have that presence when I go to the grocery store.  And so, if I’m walking into go get gas in my car, or if I go to the supermarket; there is miracle power ready to operate.

Sid:  Brenda, give me a real life example of that in your life.

Brenda:  Well, let me encourage this in a personal way, I had a story in fact I put this in my book, “The Supernatural You.”  I teach people how to have everyday experiences with the supernatural.  See this is really, really important because people look sometimes for the sensational and they miss the supernatural.  And God’s wanting to manifest it every minute.  We had, and this is kind of a humorous story, but I want to give people a real life example; we had been having these nights of restless sleep, my husband and I and I could not figure it out and of course in the church world we always turn it into this big thing. You know, well the demons have come to try to disrupt us and there’s interference and we come up with all these creative things and I said, “Lord all I know is that I have got to start getting some rest, we  have too much to do in the ministry.”  And so I prayed in the Spirit and we went to bed that night and I had a dream, now if I have a dream, whenever I have a dream I know that it’s from the Lord, it is just one of those, I don’t dream a lot but it’s a message from God.  And I had a dream and I saw myself go to the store and buy pillows and I woke up in the morning.  The Holy Spirit said, you need to get new pillows.  And I said to my husband, I said, honey it’s our pillows.  He’s like what?  So Ha, see now see this is that the supernatural can look very natural.  You’ve got to be sharp, have a sharp eye to the Spirit and so I said, “I cancel whatever I have, I’m going pillow shopping right now.”  That’s how supernatural it was, and I went to the store and I thought that’s it, God I’m going to pay whatever and I went to a discount store and they had only one of the good pillows left and the rest were $5.00 and they were nothing.  And I was like, oh God, I’m trying to buy prophetic pillows here and they didn’t have any.  I went to another store and found four, I walked up to the place, I found four pillows.  Walked up to the place to buy the four and the lady at the counter she told me, “Oh I heard these were you know I prayed in tongues the whole time I went to buy the pillows because I knew that these were prophetic pillows.  Now the lady at the store said, “Now, I just want you to know that these pillows are so, these pillows are the best pillows, I have heard the best feedback from these, I love these pillows, in fact I bought some for myself, she said I went to the other store and she name the pillows I was going to buy at the other store, they didn’t have enough.  And she said that they were to worst pillows ever.  Here’s the thing, God will manifest, and we got the pillows, in fact I got them home, we got the pillows, we had perfect sleep, never woke up with another headache.  We weren’t restless; we weren’t waking up with circles under our eyes the next day.  It was the pillows and see God will zero in if you allow yourself to be used in the supernatural.  God will zero in on something to us as trivial as pillows.  But the way that the anointing came and manifested, it felt at the time pretty ordinary and so over something very ordinary and those ordinary occurrences seeing the supernatural in the most ordinary thing can be the very thing that leads to the bigger things.  And so that, from there I realized, no God you have a place for every believer to manifest the miraculous in everything they do.  There is something that you want to impart and provide, that’s why were filled with the Holy Ghost, because He’s that supernatural river of supply and see this is, I have kind of a concern I guess, it bothers me when people in the occult world are more aware of the realm of the supernatural than the church and we’re the ones that carry the Holy Spirit.

Sid:  You know that one thing that if I was kind of summarize what someone will accomplish when they read your book “The Supernatural You,” first of all there is such a presence of God upon it, but you will convince that person that that same power that is on the people they see on TV on Christian Shows dwells within them.  You convince people of that, it’s ashamed that we have to be convinced, but you convince someone.  What’s the feedback that you get from people, I know that it’s a new book, but the feedback from people that have read your book or sat under this teaching?

Brenda:  One of the things that people say, I love to impart this phrase into peoples’ lives I love to walk up and say to them, repeat after me say “I am anointed.”  And people say “I am anointed.”

Sid:  Wait, wait, I want to do this.  “I am anointed.”

Brenda:  “I am anointed,” it does something to you doesn’t it Sid?

Sid:  It does, I understand before you even preach, you start doing that type of talk.

Brenda:  I speak to myself, in fact I share this story in the book too.  I was getting ready to do a meeting somewhere and in fact I started doing this after this, the Lord said, “Pray in tongues, you know because what we have to understand is and we probably need to kind of give the listeners a little premise of this but you know the Bible says, “Out of your belly,” your belly and notices that it didn’t say somebodyelse’s, It doesn’t say the TV evangelist or anybody, He said, “Your belly shall flow rivers,” rivers, that’s plural, more than one.  That means there is a different river for everything, I believe there is a river for finances, I believe that there’s a river that deal with disease, I believe there’s a river that will deal with emotional pain, that will deal with loneness, that will deal with addiction, that will deal with…

Sid: Oh evay!   It won’t deal with our lack of time right now.