Sid Roth

Sid:  My guest is red hot for the Messiah, his name is Bobby Connor. He is a prophet and we were talking about his gift.  One of the things that I have found Bobby, and it’s really amazing to me, even before people becoming believers in the Messiah many that have the gift of prophecy are operating in it but they don’t even understand what it is.  Was that true with you?

Bobby:  I believe that’s true. People ask me “When was your first experience with the Lord Jesus?” I tell them it is very strange, but it’s the absolute truth.  I was in my mother’s womb, I was a fetus in my mother’s womb and my mother was very desperate because my dad was dying in a mental institution from a venereal disease, it had settled in his brain.  He was dying a lunatic in an insane asylum and the doctors, this is 1943, came in and informed my mother that the baby in her belly would be afflicted the same disease that was killing my father.  So my mother was desperate because she already had two children, my sister two years old, and myself, and my bother one year old older, who was born crippled.  And so while my mom was desperate so she took a coat hanger, made it into a hook, opened her womb inserted the coat hanger and attempted to pull me out of there.  And it was at that point that the Hand of the Lord came and pushed me aside and kept my mother from extracting my life out of her body.  I told my wife what I had just told you and my wife…

Sid:  But wait, just out of curiosity how did you know this?  I mean you’re in your mother’s womb?

Bobby:  I’m in my mother womb, I’m no bigger than a golf ball, and I’m really the size of a cantaloupe at this time and the hand of the Lord pushed me aside, I saw it just as clear anything in the world.  So I told my wife and my wife said, “Bobby how could anybody know what happened to him when he was a fetus?”  I said, “I don’t know, but me and John the Baptist do.”  Remember John the Baptist got full of the Holy Ghost in his mommy’s tummy and then I quoted the verses Jeremiah 1:4, “before I formed thee in the belly I knew you, before you come out of your mommy’s tummy I ordained you and sanctified you to be a Prophet to the nations.”  So that’s my first experience with the Lord, but that is absolutely true.  Your question was, “Do you think that people can receive a prophetic anointing even before they know what it is?”  And I believe the answer to that is yes.

Sid:  Now, obviously your mother wasn’t successful with the coat hanger and you’re telling me you were aware that God literally moved you or the coat hanger?

Bobby:  I’m telling you exactly what happened, the hand of the Lord came inside my momma’s body and pushed me to the side and covered me in the hallow of His hand while she tried to extract me out with a coat hanger.  I’ll tell you what happened, later on my mother she comes to one of our meetings, I was doing a demonstration of God’s power meeting at a civic center and this was the first time that my Mother had ever seen the supernatural power of God moving through me.  And so it just shook her to the very core and she was broken and she tries to tell me that story that I just told you.  I put my arm around her and told her, “I said, oh Momma I already know all about that.”

Sid:  Huh, out of curiosity was anyone in your family or heritage a prophet?

Bobby:  Okay, now see I never knew my Dad, never got to see him. I didn’t know any of his people, so I know absolutely nothing about my father’s side of the people.  I’ve only seen one picture of my father and that was just a small little Kodak picture so I don’t know for sure, but I believe there must have been somebody in the lineage that had a real call and a connection with God because God supernaturally spared me and I believe we’re just somehow had grace on us because somebody prayed for us.

Sid:  Now understand that every Yom Kippur God gives you revelation as to what will be happening.

Bobby:  Yes, for the past thirteen years on the day of Atonement visitation from the Lord.  And He’ll come tell us some of the things that’s going to happen in the future.

Sid:  Tell me one thing that is going to, that He told you this last day of atonement.

Bobby:  Okay, He told me this last day of atonement for 2008 He said, “There’s going to come a Kingdom company that’s going to have dominion demeanor, and they’re going to rule the visible realm from the invisible realm and they’re going to rule it from a platform of love.   He said, “What’s missing in the body of Christ today is real compassion for Jesus Christ, He said, we’ve got to go back to Revelations 2.”  Remember the church at Ephesus; it said it had great deeds, they had great doctrine, but they had left their first love.  And I believe the missing note right now is the love of God.  And God is about to baptize the Body of Christ with 1^st Corinthians 13 love.  It’s the next great move of God, it’s waiting right at the door right now.

Sid:  Well, let’s find out a little bit more about you.  This is hard, what you just told me was hard to believe about the coat hanger and being aware of it I mean.  But at age eight you started drinking, how does someone at age eight start drinking?

Bobby:  Oh I was raised in a very very coarse family; nearly every one of them in my family were alcoholics except a couple of aunts.  But you know they drank alcohol and the first time I got drunk I was eight years old, I found wine in my grandfather’s storm cellar, this is in East Texas the sand hills of East Texas. So it was Christmas time I found wine.  I drank this wine and got intoxicated but when I was intoxicated I could fantasize and be anybody I wanted to be and it was at that moment that the enemy really began to hook me with alcohol.  And from that time on I drank shaving lotion, shoe polish, sniffed glue, gasoline and then as we grew on up I’d break into hospitals get their drugs, put them in a sack, shake them up and take a hand full of them and sit there to see what would happen.  I look back now and I realize that was the devil attempting to erase my mind, but God is very faithful.  I actually got converted in the fall of 1968. I had tried everything the world had, the wild life, the drinking, the partying, then they said what you need is a wife and a kid and a white frame house and a job and I got all of that and I was still just as empty as ever so I said, “If this is all there is I’m through with life.  And I was absolutely, I meant that with all my hear so I carried my wife and my little boy, who is now forty-two, carried them to church, let them out and I drove off.

Sid:  Now just out of curiosity was your wife born again then?

Bobby:  Okay when we got married she wasn’t, she’s a good moral girl, she didn’t do like all the rest of the girls did but she was a good moral person but didn’t know Jesus.  And then she started going to church when she got pregnant because she wanted to a better life for our child.  And then she comes in one day and she’s born again.  Awe man and I hated that.

Sid:  Why? Why did you hate that?

Bobby:  Okay, here is what happened to me, remember I told you we had very very poor, my dad died, my mother raised three of us on $29 a month, this is not $29 a month per child, $29 a month for three children and we were very poor.  My mom made our clothes out of feed sack, the farmers back in those days would get their cattle feed in cloth bags and they’d give them to my mother, she’d wash them out, cut them out to make little clothes.  And she’d catch a ride, we didn’t have a car, she would get out on highway 31 in East Texas and thumb a ride and carry us to church.  Now I’m a little bitty primary boy and we’re standing at a desk at a Baptist Church and singing a song and we’re singing one Sunday morning, Jesus loves me this I know for the Bible tells me so.  And a voice spoke to me, a cold calculating voice spoke in the spirit realm and said, “Bobby God doesn’t love you, if God loved you you’d have shoes on your feet, you’d have clothes like other kids and you’d have a family and a father.”  And I did a horrible thing, at that moment as a little bitty boy I listened to that voice and the moment I listened to that voice that’s when hatred came into my heart towards God.  I felt like God had shafted me, that He wasn’t good, that He wasn’t trustworthy. See the enemy He’s not a good devil at all, he fight unfair, he fights anyway he can and so he poison and polluted my mind about God and that’s one of things that really opened the door to alcohol and all that kind of stuff.

Sid:  Now, so that then you were really upset that your wife starts going to church.

Bobby:  God born again, ah huh.

Sid:  Ah, what’d you do about it, did you just let her go?

Bobby:  Oh this is horrible, she kneeled down to pray for me, I’d kick her over, she’d get dressed up for church, I’d tear her clothes off of her, rough her up.  I’d watch her go back in the house, make her face back up, put on a new dress, a different dress and start walking eight miles to church, me cursing her.

Sid:  Eight miles one way?

Bobby:  Eight miles to church, but I’ll tell you what I wouldn’t give her the keys to the car you know.  But I’m telling you she was faithful, she wouldn’t give up.  That night in 1968 when I got born again it was a Wednesday night I had carried her to church and let her and my little son out, I intended to kill myself that night.  And that’s when the Lord really spoke to me.

Sid:  How did you attempt to kill yourself?

Bobby:  I drove my car deep into the forest woods down in Kickapoo Creek. I took a double barrel shotgun and I had it loaded with buckshot and I stuck the barrel in the roof of my mouth, put the safety off, put my thumb on the trigger and the car filled with demons just like that, it got as cold as ice in this car.  And the demons began to chant “Do it, do it, do it.”  And then all of a sudden I started trembling.  I mean trembling like a leaf and I put the gun on safety, threw it in the back seat of the car. It’s about 9:00 at night now, and I drive back to the church where I let them out about 6:00 that afternoon and I’m setting under a big old tree and I’m just… boy I had had it and so here’s what I said, now this is a pretty poor prayer to pray to get saved but, “Jesus looks at our heart, not our mouth, that’s when I said, “Lord,” I said, Jesus if You could would You change my life.”  And when I said that just like that He stepped into my life; I’m telling you the hatred, the hatred went out the bitterness when out, all the stuff that had happened.  So I get out of the car, walked to the back door, it’s about 9:30 at night, I pull the back door of the church open and here’s what I see Sid.  I see my wife, my little son, the preacher a man by the name of Paul in the house and several young Christian couples, they’re at an old fashion mourners bench, a prayer altar and their crying out, “Oh God, oh God, whatever it takes save Bobby.”  And see now, if they hadn’t been in intercession I’d pull the trigger, I’d be in hell today instead of speaking on this radio broadcast.”

Sid:  So when you saw that, “What did you do?”

Bobby:  Oh I ran forward, fell on that preachers neck, see I hated him, oh I hated the air he breathed man. I’d catch him in stores prior to that time, I’d shove him, I’d curse him.  I mean it was demonic and that was what it was.  And he’d look at me, he was a German man and he’d look at me with tears and blue eyes and here’s what he’d say to me, “Bobby, I love you.”  I knew he meant it but I wasn’t going to respond to it.  I fell on his neck Sid and cried like a baby man and then I finally I turned him loose and I picked my wife up.  And I pulled her to me and for the first time I knew what it meant to love out of a pure hear and that night the Lord told me He said, “I’m going to send you around the world with the gospel.”

Sid:  You go from a shotgun in your mouth to killing yourself in the same night to being given a vision that you’re going to travel the world and tell people about Jesus?

Bobby:  Travel the world and tell people about Jesus, I said to Him, “Fat chance.”  That’s what I said.  But boy He’s been faithful.

Sid:  Well, He said that you’re going to go around the world, have you?

Bobby:  Yes, we’ve been preaching for thirty-eight years now, and we average speaking five times a week for thirty-eight years.  And we go all over the earth; we go a couple of place now a week.

Sid:  Well, I’ll tell you something, I am very intrigued over your prophetic gift and we’ll get into that on tomorrow’s broadcast.

Sid:  My guest is going to help so many people because she’s just published a book that we’ll be featuring all this week called “Anointing for Healing.”  And it’s a hardback and it’s a beautiful book, it contains a vial of a anointing oil and the book explains secrets of anointing oil that I think the church, very few Christians today understand the power that’s involved when you have faith in what the anointing oil stands for.  And this is one of these how to books, how to pray effectively for a healing and my guest is Melanie Hemry and I’m speaking to her at her home in Edmond, Oklahoma.  Melanie before we went on the air I asked you “What’s God showing you to tell us?”  And you talked to me about the aspect called the interaction with man and how it’s so misunderstood.

Melanie:  Yes, that’s right the Lord has shown me repeatedly and what He asked me to share with you today is that, His interaction with mankind is still the most unreported story on earth.

Sid:  You know I know all these things, but for me coming from a traditional Jewish background I look more on sovereignty and I know it’s humanistic, but I’m thinking, “Well, if God’s not going to heal me then I just won’t be healed.”  Now I don’t believe that today, but that’s what I had engrained in me and I think most people that call themselves Christians it’s engrained that, oh God will heal me if He wants to.

Melanie:  That’s the way most of us were raised, certainly.  I was raised in a denominational church that taught me to be born again and to love God and to revere the Word.  But now they taught that the same God that occasionally has a good day and heals somebody is the same one that may put cancer on you to teach you a lesson.  And I don’t believe that today either because the Word of God doesn’t support it.

Sid:  Well, let’s find out a little bit about you, you were a Registered Nurse for sixteen years and I have to tell you, I am so intrigued with life after death experiences because every one of us has to make that trip and so we want to understand it a little bit better.  Tell me some of the experiences you had as a Registered Nurse.

Melanie:  Well to be perfectly honest in my early twenties I was a believer who had walked away from the Lord and was not in church and was not living my life right.  And I was under conviction about a number of different things and the Lord just kept revealing Himself to me.  And you cannot be a Registered Nurse and not experience the power of God and see miracles; it’s your choice what you do with it.  But I had a patient that I’d taken care of for quite awhile who was a judge and he threw so many blood clots to his brain that he had three flat EEGs which is proof that he was brain dead and the doctors told his wife and the family to put him in a nursing home that he would never recover.  And they refused to do that and they stood in the circle and prayed and asked me to join them, and the truth was at that time in my life I would rather stuck needles under my fingernails.  But what do you say, of course you join them and they prayed and they asked me to go home and take care of him at home.  And on the ride home from the hospital in the ambulance in a sovereign touch of God he was miraculously healed.  And he totally recovered and went on to try astounding number of cases on the Federal Court Circuit.  So that was a huge wakeup call to me, another one was when I was doing a resuscitation on an African American Pastor, we shocked that man and we resuscitated him for so long and finally his cardiologist called and said, “That’s it thank you all very much.” And after everyone else was leaving the room a young intern said, “Let’s try one more time,” and we shocked him and he came back and he sat up in bed and he told us in detail, every word we’d spoken and everything we done in the resuscitation and the only way he could have done that is from watching from above.  There’s no way laying flat on the bed being dead you could do that; that was a wakeup call to me.  And then one day I asked the Lord, I said, “Okay, if you’re really there and You’re trying to get my attention then make it so clear to me that I can’t miss it.”  And I was working in the Intensive Care Unit, I had a patient who had a brain stem stroke and when you have a brain stem stroke no stimuli gets from the brain to anywhere in the body.  You could do anything to her body and she wouldn’t feel it because it was nothing there and I was changing her IV dressing and all of a sudden the alarm went off on her monitor and her heart had stopped.  So here’s a woman with no heartbeat with a brainstem stroke and no neurological life at all.  And I watched her eyes open; I saw her sit up in bed raise her hand in greeting as through she’s looking at an unseen stranger and with love dripping like I’ve never heard, “Jesus!”  And then she floated back to her pillow and she was gone and I knew at that moment there wasn’t a drug on earth powerful enough to get her back once she’d seen Him.  And I decided that it was time to get my heart right with the Lord.

Sid:  I would think that would do it to anyone.  Now tell me about your book “Anointing for Healing,” in your heart of hearts why did you write this book?  And I have to tell you, I’ve been interviewing people that have been healed for over thirty years, but you have managed to put together some of the most unusual verified miracles that I’ve ever seen put together in one book.

Melanie:  My coauthor Gina Lynnes and I wrote this book because God kept saying, that what His interaction with man is the most underreported story on earth.  And we wanted to try and write a book that could be understood and received by people all over who are maybe in churches or not in churches and they don’t know what He’s doing.

Sid:  Is that why you made it, it’s a hard back but it’s such a beautiful cover, it’s one that people would put on a coffee table.

Melanie:  Yes, Bob Whitaker was very much, this was a project out of his heart and it was very much a combination between him and Gina and me.  And he wanted that cover to be beautiful and for the anointing of God to be revered.

Sid:  Now have you had much feedback on this book yet?

Melanie:  You know the people that have read this book have been writing to us and there was one woman who wrote to us and she had given birth to a son with Down syndrome.  And she said, “That she ordered the book because she wanted to understand about anointing oil and she said she got it and she read it and she said, “I didn’t know that healing was part of our redemption, I didn’t know any of that.’’  And we’ve just been getting cards and letters from people whose lives have been changed by the stories in the book.

Sid:  You know we’re going to have some of these stories, actually the people themselves telling their stories.  For instance on tomorrow’s broadcast we’re going to have the women that was healed of Lou Gehrig’s disease, ALS.  That is such; I mean I’ve known people that have died from Lou Gehrig’s disease in fact it is a death sentence; tell me some thoughts you have about her.

Melanie:  Wendy Moore was a young mother in her, wife and mother in her twenties who was an Emergency Medical Technian that road in ambulances and had a baby and she would get these strange things where she would be on the floor playing with the child and move her legs to get up and the single didn’t through and she couldn’t stand.  Or she’d be doing fine and then she could walk up the steps or she couldn’t lift a stretcher.  And in 2001 at the University of Michigan she was diagnosed with Lou Gehrig’s disease and they told her that 50% of the patients that are diagnosed survive two to five years.  And that she was so far advanced she would soon be on full disability.

Sid:  Now, from what I understand is eventually your body shuts down and you can’t breathe and then you die.

Melanie:  That’s exactly right and one of things they told her is, what’s going to start happening is these situations that your in is your going to get worse and you’ll start tripping and falling.  And so Wendy’s case she had an Aunt who had heard the gospel involves healing and that she had gone to a Bible School and learned what the Word of God has to say, the promises of God for healing.  And she told Wendy, she goes “You don’t have to die of this.”

Sid Roth:  By the way, that’s a word for someone that’s listening to us right now, “You do not have to die, God says “I want you to live and proclaim the works, you shall not die you will live and proclaim the works of the Lord.”  And no matter how hopeless your situation, I have to believe that you wrote this book, not just for the hopeless people, but for anyone that is sick of anything, I mean it really is a how to manual.

Melanie:  Yes.  There’s also someone out there whose facing a knee replacement and God is touching their knee right now and it’s being miraculously healed and they will not need that surgery.

SID: Hello, Sid Roth here with Gary Kah. And I am so fascinated with the information that Gary has put together. He has spent a lifetime putting this together, because if you don’t understand the forerunner of the Antichrist system, then for sure you won’t understand the Antichrist. And Gary, I find it very interesting that Tony Blair, President Barak Obama and the Pope had the same talking points within days of each other. Explain that.

GARY: Yes. A couple of summers ago, all three of those individuals began applying a lot of pressure on Israel. And there is an agenda behind this. Ultimately where it is going is toward the internationalization of Jerusalem, and also I believe making Jerusalem the interfaith capitol of the world.

SID: Why is that important?

GARY: Again, if you’re going to have global government, you’ve got be able to bring the religions together somehow and they see in their minds that Jerusalem is the place to do this because it’s where Christianity and Judaism have their roots. Islam also has a stronghold there and so trying to make this happen in Jerusalem is important to them. Tony Blair has gone so far as to establish the Tony Blair Faith Foundation, which is actually an interfaith foundation. In his own words he has come out and stated that he is devoting the rest of his life to unifying the world’s religions.

SID: Okay. You exposed the names of prominent Christians that are deeply involved in this. I don’t understand how a real Christian could ever be deeply involved in this.

GARY: I don’t either. I believe that they rationalize and justify it in the name of world peace. But I am aware of the fact that on Tony Blair’s board of directors there is a very prominent evangelical Christian whose name everyone would recognize, and also an Islamic cleric and people of other religions. And again, if it simply has to do with reaching out to people of other faiths with the truth of Jesus, that’s one thing. But to cooperate in building something that will eventually unify the world’s religions, to me, that is a huge deception and we should not be promoting that.

SID: Okay. According to reading the Bible on a literal basis, which I do, a temple is going to be rebuilt. Gary, you have some fascinating information about this. Tell me.

GARY: Well again, in order to rebuild that temple, people have wondered over the years, how in the world is this every going to happen, considering on the contention on the Temple Mount. And we don’t know for sure how it’s going to happen, but there are some signs of how it could happen. The leading Muslim writer in the world right now, a man who has over 65 million copies of his books in print, his name is Adnan Oktar, he writes under the pen name Harun Yahya, is himself calling for the rebuilding of the temple. But he calls it majid or mosque, or a palace. And he believes this would be a great thing where people from around the world of different religions could come together and worship there.

SID: But Jewish people would never accept something like that.

GARY: Well you would think so. But there’s three leaders from the newly reestablished Jewish Sanhedrin have actually met with Adnan Oktar in Turkey. And after doing so, they posted the following statement on their website, and this is an excerpt of that statement. They say, “Out of the sense of collective responsibility for world peace and for all humanity, we have found it timely to call to the world and exclaim that there is a way out for all peoples. It is etched in a call to all humanity. We are all the sons of one Father, the descendants of Adam, and all humanity is but a single family. Peace among nations will be achieved through building the House of God where all peoples will serve as foreseen by King Solomon in his prayers at the dedication of the first Holy Temple.” Now get this. “Together each according to his or her ability, we shall work towards the building of the House of Prayer for all nations on the Temple Mount in peace and mutual understanding.” So these are some of the top Jewish people in the Sanhedrin endorsing the same idea that Adnan Oktar is putting forth, after having met with him.

SID: And you talk about the excavations under, in Jerusalem, the Shrine of Omar. Tell me about that.

GARY: Well very quickly, some Israeli journalists were secretly filming underneath the Shrine of Omar, and the tunnel that they were in, they discovered in an area off to the side some early documents from Jewish priests from the first century, apparently that were put there to safeguard them and protect them from the Roman invasion in 70 A.D. And these documents talk about the early church, what the church believed, how it functioned, it’s practices. And it makes it very clear that the early church did not adhere to replacement theology. In other words, they believed that God was still going to work mightily through the Jewish people and Israel in the years to come, especially in the last days.

SID ROTH: It’s very sad that we don’t know what the first Christians knew. For starters, they were all Jews. Now you know they weren’t involved in replacement theology, which basically, half the Christians in the world say that the Christian has replaced God’s plan for the Jew in Israel. And of course, God says, I change not. Boy, imagine the bombshell when this information is revealed. You can see things are really speeding up rapidly. The Bible says, “I’d rather you be hot or cold. If you’re lukewarm, I will spit you out of my mouth.” That’s what Jesus says. Are you lukewarm or are you hot? If you’re neutral, you’re deceived. If you’re just a seeker-sensitive Christian, you’re deceived. You must be hot or cold. Either serve him with all of your heart or don’t stand up as a Christian. The good news is you don’t have to look back. You can have a new beginning right now, repent of your sins and tell Jesus, say it out loud. I want to be red hot for you, Lord Jesus. I want you to be my Lord. I ask for forgiveness of sin. I repent. Live inside of me, Jesus.

Sid: …brand new book “Supernatural Healing” over thirty years of investigative reporting or the greatest miracles and the greatest ways of accessing God’s power that I’ve been able to analyze and investigate.  And I’ve been blessed to meet these people; I mean it is outrageous some of these miracles, but that is normal; I want you to be normal.  And one chapter has to do with the Lord’s Supper and I have the man that God gave the revelation, you may have heard Perry Stone teach on it.  He’s the one that got the revelation that started telling Perry about it.  His name is Dr. John Miller; he’s a chiropractor and a Bible teacher.  And so many people have been healed through understanding the teaching of communion.  John how did you originally get interested in the Lord’s Supper as medicine?

Dr. John Miller:  Well, I was raised in a Christian home all of my grandfather’s were preachers on my mother’s side.  And I went right from High School into Chiropractic College, so I’d spent my entire adult life learning how to get sick people well.  And so then I started studying the Bible to see what the Bible had to say about getting sick people well and ran into the seven ways in the New Testament to be healed.  And for some reason I was drawn specifically to communion and it’s a deep subject, it’s never ending, God keeps showing me more and more about it.

Sid:  One the things I find fascinating is that you did research of the Jewish roots of Passover and research on the Messiah concept with in Judaism within the scriptures.  You found some amazing things in Isaiah 53, tell me about them.

Dr. John Miller:  Well, the first thing we find in Isaiah 53 is that Jesus did a threefold atonement for a three part man.  Paul said, “I pray that your spirit, soul and body be preserved blameless until the coming of the Lord.  We know what the body is; theologians say that the soul is the mind, will and the emotion; that’s your mental.  And your spirit is what gives life to the body and can communicate with God and goes back to God that gave it.  So at Calvary Jesus was wounded for our transgressions, bruised for our iniquities, that’s your sin, that’s your spiritual salvation.  The chastisement of our peace was upon Him, that’s your mental healing; and with His strips we are healed.  He took the beating for our healing so, actually the typology of communion goes all the way back to Genesis as you find any major principal in the Bible, you can find it all the way back to Genesis.  Where, when man sinned he became aware of his nudity, not that nudity per say is a sin, but it was the sign that he had sinned and God had to shed blood and sacrifice flesh to bring him animal clothes to make a covering for the fact that he had sinned.  And that was the first typology we have looking forward to the cross where Jesus was nude on the cross and covered with His blood making atonement for our sin.  Also in the garden, there was the tree of life that if you ate of it after you sinned you would live forever, in other words it would reverse the sin that eating of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil instituted.  So God had to drive them out of the garden so they could not eat of the tree of life; and all theologians say that the tree of life represent Jesus.  So that’s another picture of how when we eat him it undoes the sin curse of death.  Then in Egypt when God sent Moses to get the Israelites out of Egypt, they tried ten miracles and that didn’t work; that represents the Ten Commandments the law, the law didn’t save anybody, it only condemned them because they couldn’t keep it.  So they had to turn to the blood of the lamb over the door posts, which is another type of Jesus shedding his blood at Calvary.  And when they ate the flesh of that lamb they were healed, David says in Psalms they came out with silver and gold and not one infirmed one among them.  So after that for fifteen hundred years, God mandated that they keep the Passover that was to remind the Israelites and teach their children how God delivered them from Egypt.  So that’s looking forward to the cross again.  In the wilderness God sent manna down, which was a type of the body of Christ, Jesus said three times in John 6 “Your father’s did eat manna in the wilderness and are dead, but I tell you I’m the real bread that came down from heaven and unless you eat my flesh you have no life in you.”  So the bread of communion are the bread, the manna was a type of eating Jesus, the bread of communion.

Sid:  I am reminded of the scripture that there was none feeble among them. 

Dr. John Miller:  Yes, and that word feeble in the Hebrew means infirmed and particularly in the legs.  And the people eating the manna got tired of it and they said “Our soul does loath the light bread, the manna.  So God sent fiery serpents and bite them and they began to die and they said, oh, Moses we’ve sinned against you and God.  Pray that He would stop this, so God said, “Moses take a pole and put a brass serpent on it,” representing Jesus on the cross at Calvary, he was made to be sin with our sin.  And everybody that looked on it was healed.  So we have typology after typology in the Old Testament all looking forward to Jesus on the cross.  And then after the cross, it looks back, Peter said “The sprinkling of the blood a fresh,”  We are to eat the bread and drink the cup to remember Jesus is a very interesting thing in Luke the 22 chapter verse fifteen, Jesus is going to have communion with the disciples and he said unto them, “With desire, I have desires to eat this Passover with you before I suffer, for I say unto you, I will not any more eat thereof until it be fulfilled in the Kingdom of God, take this and divide it among yourselves for I say unto you, I will not drink of the fruit of the vine until the kingdom of God.  And then He took the bread and gave thanks and break it” and you see, He said, “I have desired with desire.” And I ask my friend Hal Lindsay, he’s not only a prophecy teacher but he’s a Greek scholar, he looked that word up for me, he said that’s the strongest word in the Greek language for wanting to do something with desire, I have desired.  What’s the Passover Seder meal made of?  It’s made up of the Lamb and the bitter herbs and all these.  Jesus said, “With desire, I have desired to eat this with you before I suffer,” this was the night He was arrested.  And he skipped right over the Passover meal and went right to the bread and the wine and said “This is my body which is broken for you.”  So when we come to the communion table it’s interesting to note that Jesus is more desirous to meet us at the communion table than we have been to meet him there.

Sid:  You know in your teaching in the book it’s so overwhelming, you’re the first person to bring to my attention that communion can be progressive, you progressively are healed.  It’s like your medicine, you’re progressively healed.  Where’s a lot of people think that well, I guess I wasn’t healed.  But so many people are getting healed through taking communion that I would love you to lead us in communion right now.

Dr. John Miller:  Okay, well take the bread.   Father in the mighty Name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, we ask that you sanctify this unleavened bread, as the body of the Lord Jesus Christ that took our infirmities and bore our sicknesses according to your word.  And the body that was beaten with 39 stripes for our healing and as we partake of this bread that represents the body of Christ we receive healing in every organ, every cell and every function in our bodies and we give you the praise the glory, now eat.  Now Father we come to you with the wine that represents the blood of Jesus, as we hold it up and ask you to sanctify it as the blood of Jesus we recognize we are holding the most powerful substance in the world.  For all other power substances like, nuclear bombs and all can only destroy life, but the life that is in the blood of Jesus gives life and gives it eternally.  And right now we receive the blood of Jesus and we receive forgiveness for all of our sins in Jesus Name.  Hallelujah.

Sid:  Your know what I’m thinking that a lot of people are putting food together and water because they just don’t know what’s going to be happening on planet earth.  I think the number one thing they should put together is some wine and bread and they’ve got it all.

Dr. John Miller:  The Christians and the Jewish population is going to have to turn to the blood and the body of Christ to get through these days as the governments collapse and the health care systems collapse.  And no matter what medicine it is or what nutrition that you’re taking…

Sid:  Oh I’m sorry we’re out of time…

Sid: I am absolutely overwhelmed with the information that Gary Kah is making available to us.  He’s telling us secrets that the media has purposely hidden and in fact one of the things I saw in going over your material Gary, is about under an Islamic Shrine in Israel they found important original records that were buried there.  Now where was this shrine located?

Gary: Well, it’s a Shrine of Omar in Jerusalem and yes, some Israeli TV journalists were secretly filming under that areas a few years back and they discovered a tunnel that had initially been dug in the Middle Ages it’s believed by the Knights Templers that had control of that area.  And the Templers had found some of the early original documents of the church in Jerusalem involving and revealing what the church actually believed, how they were structured, what they did.  And information of that nature and this is very key information and I believe that there are those today who do not want that information out and as a result want control of that area.

Sid: Well, if the information came out, what I believe from looking over your data in Research is it would change the whole structure of what we call the church today.  It would even change the thinking about a hieracy that is rampant and the devil is the one behind if it’s hieracy and that’s called replacement theology where the Christians replaced the Jews.  And that just messes up everything to understand end time Bible prophecy.

Gary: Exactly, and of course many church groups over the years have been pushing replacement theology and these findings of what the early century church really believed and practice would totally shatter that.  And you know…

Sid: You know I would love to get a hold of that information; it would answer a lot of questions I’ve been asking God.  I mean these were religious people would stop controlling it so we could see what authentic Christianity really was like.

Gary: Yeah, exactly and I feel the same way, you know you cannot have the church replacing the Jews, it’s not scriptural.  But that’s what is being taught and that helped to lead I believe to the openness by some Christians during Nazi Germany to do what they did.  However, groups that do not believe in replacement theology have a much better openness to the Jewish people.  And so you kind of draw a line in the sand along those lines and people who do not believe the replacement theology also have a must more literal interpretation of Bible prophecy so they heed the end time warning and take them seriously.  Whereas advocates of replacement theology not so much so.

Sid: Let me ask you a question, there’s a man that intrigued me when he was the head of England, Tony Blair.  And he kind of dropped out of the scene and now he seems to be reemerging, but not in a very good way.  Tell me about Mr. Blair, what’s been going on with him?

Gary: Well, when Tony Bair stepped down from being Britain’s Prime Minister a few years ago he went through a lot of changes in his life.  Actually he converted to Roman Catholicism and then founded the Tony Blair Faith Foundation.  And also around that same time became the main negotiator for the Western Powers regarding Mid East Peace, so he has been traveling a lot to Israel, to Rome and points in between moving negotiations forward.  So he’s a very important figure in the world, a very likeable individual personality wise the way he presents himself.  But through his Faith Foundation he has openly stated now that his goal is to unify the world’s religions and so he is playing right into this inter-faithism this bringing together the world’s religions so that the global political agenda for world government can succeed.  And whether he’s doing this completely knowingly or unknowingly I don’t know, but he’s a very smart person. So I presuming that he must be in favor of global government because it would be difficult for him not to be in light of what he’s doing and some of the statements that he has made.

Sid: Now, you mentioned in your DVDs that we are making available amazing top evangelicals by name that are involved with the Tony Blair Faith Foundation how could these people be involved with that?

Gary: Well, one of them is actually on his Board of Directors along with a top Muslim Choleric and people of other religions and that again it mystifies me.  I don’t know how that is possible because this is not a case where the goal is unknown, Tony Blair has again openly stated that his purpose is to unify the world’s religions; he has even taught a course a Yale University on how to go about doing that.  And so to have a top Christian Evangelical Leader involved in that with him it simply if unacceptable, it really is.  And it breaks my heart to see that, but again a sign of the times I suppose.

Sid: Okay, so the foundations is after unifying all religions, but it seems as though a focal point is Jerusalem, why Jerusalem?

Gary: Well, in Jerusalem you have Christians, Jews and Muslims all with a major stake there.  And the ultimate goal in all of this is to make Jerusalem the Interfaith Capitol of the World; to bring all the world’s religions together there.  And also another goal, along with that from a political stand point is these people would like to Internationalize Jerusalem.  In other words, basically remove it out from under Israeli sovereignty and make Jerusalem international entity unto itself with international peace keeping forces there.  And so it would be its own political machine so to speak and the religions of the world coming together in that spot, in that location.  And of course, you and I both understand this really would set the stage then for the anti-Christ to take power.  Because if the international forces would ultimately have control of Jerusalem and are pushing this inter-faithism and coming together of this world’s religions; and this world’s countries then who would be able to stop a leader of that international authority from taking his seat of power in that spot?  It’s very intriguing of what really could happen through all of this.

Sid: Now, something that you reveal I’ve never heard before, that in 1993 there was a letter written to the Pope by the Prime Minister of Israel Perez and what did that letter say?

Gary: Well, in that letter that was sent by the Pope by Shimon Peres, Peres promised to internationalize Jerusalem to go along with internationalizing Jerusalem and granting UN political control of the Old City.  I stagger when you think about it and again…

Sid: And now, of course Peres is dead now so does that have any validity?

Gary: Well, this information came out many years ago and I believe it did get limited coverage in the media, but after a short time you didn’t hear much about it.  But it was not a secret that Shimon Peres was a very strong globalist and was very committed to a global agenda and I believe that his role has been over the years to help condition Israel, prepare Israel to come into this global government.  And you see you have to understand Sid, the biggest, one of the biggest problems that internationalists have had in bringing about this global government has been that the people of Israel and the people of the United States are so independent minded and they don’t want to go into this world government and so somehow there has to be a conditioning, reasons have to be given for why it would be to our advantage to move into this World Government.  Otherwise people aren’t going to do it unless they really have to they aren’t going to do it.  And I believe Peres was involved heavily in trying to lay the foundation in Israel to help get the Israeli people to that point.

Sid: And you also bring out something that is amazing, how could Muslims believe in what the Muslim believes unite with a Christian, with a Protestant, with a Catholic, but there’s a connection between Mary and Islam?  Explain.

Gary: That’s right this is something I actually stumbled on to in my research, I didn’t know this until a few years ago.  But Mohammed believed that when he would go to Paradise that Mary would be his wife.  And also there is a high regard for Mary within Islamic circles partly for that reason.  In addition to that, Mohammed had a daughter by the name of Fatima.  Now Fatima of Portugal is the location of where apparitions of Mary allegedly were seen in the early nineteen hundreds and of course that’s not a secret most people listening would know that; the alleged apparitions of Mary and Fatima of Portugal.  Well to Muslims that was significant because they thought of all places where these apparitions shows to appear it was in Fatima, a city named after Mohammed’s daughter.  And so there is this connection between Mary and Islam and of course Mary is highly revered in Roman Catholic circles as well as of course honored very much so in Protestant circles.  But this is being used; these facts are being used to try to bring Islam and Christianity together and there has been some success along those lines.

Sid: You know I hear of stories, wonderful stories and I meet Muslims that have had encounters with Jesus, where no human agency has witnessed to them, but Jesus has come and they’ve become extremely strong Christians.  But isn’t it interesting many Muslims are also having appearances of Mary which you can see where that’s going.

Gary: Yeah, in fact I told my wife years ago that, “If the time ever came when we would hear of Muslims claiming to see apparitions of Mary that we know that things were getting very close that were getting close to the end,” and all these pieces of the puzzle fitting together for global government and also eventually the return of Jesus.  But Muslims in different countries now including Egypt and Indonesia are saying that they are seeing Mary and in some cases hundreds at a time.  There apparitions of Mary are allegedly promoting global unity, unification of the world’s religions and our coming together.

Sid: Oh, our time I’m sorry our time has slipping away again Gary.

SID: Hello, Sid Roth here. Welcome to my world where it’s naturally supernatural. My guest is naturally supernatural. His name is Kerry Kirkwood and he has such a precise gift of prophecy. He literally even knows people’s names. Give me an example, Kerry.

KERRY: Well there’s a lady that was asking the Lord for a particular direction in her life; and she wanted to know whether she was going to be remarried or not. And she wanted to be, but didn’t know if it was the will of God. She said, “Lord, if you want me to be remarried then have them tell me my name.” And so we called her out of the audience and spoke over her. And to me, it was just like I was giving a verse of Scripture. I heard the Lord says, “She’s a pearl of great price.” Didn’t mean that much to me, but I knew what was “a word” to her. I said, “You’re a pearl of great price.” She got so excited because her last name was Pearl. Her name was Annie Pearl.

SID: Did you…When you said it, you were just like a secretary just saying, you didn’t know the significance.

KERRY: Right. Yeah, I didn’t know anything of what she was asking. And then secondly, the Word was to her, “And the Lord wants you to you to know that you’re married to him.” And so she got so excited that I had answered the questions; that it was like a code language to her, because I didn’t know anything about it. I was just giving the Scripture at that point. But it spoke things to her. So sometimes prophecy is interpreted by the Holy Spirit, to that person, as to what they’re hearing.

SID: Now when you were six years of age, you had a very significant experience. Just briefly tell me about that.

KERRY: Well one of the first encounters I had I was out in the backyard, under a cottonwood tree playing. And all of a sudden, nature seemed to stop. The birds quit singing, and I can hear just nothing. It became so still. And so I became very scared, and I didn’t want to look up. But I finally ran in to the house; to see if my mother was there, because if she had been taken away. I thought maybe I was the only one left.

SID: Left behind.

KERRY: Exactly. And I looked at her and I said, “I thought you were gone.” So I told her what had happened. And she said, “You had an experience with the Holy Spirit. It’s like an overshadowing, and the hand of God is upon you.” And I knew at that moment there was something that God wanted me to do.

SID: So that was almost your call. But then a few years later, you were dragged to a church where they prophesy; and someone prophesied that event that happened when you were six! Tell me about that.

KERRY: Exactly. A friend of mine, we were going to play on a tennis team together in high school, and he invited me to go to church. I thought it was pretty strange. He never asked me before. We had known each other for a number of years. And so he asked me. Then I called him back and declined; because I heard about them prophesying to people. And I told him, that’s not God because that’s fortune telling, and so God wouldn’t do that. He forced me to go with him anyway. And I was seeing people there rejoicing. They were very happy. And I thought, if I could get out of here alive, then I’m just going to be happy. I was very nervous.

SID: About how old were you?

KERRY: I was a senior in high school; eighteen.

SID:  Okay.

KERRY:  And at the end of the meeting, someone came up behind me, and lay their hands on me; and began to prophesy the very thing, the experience that I had underneath that cottonwood tree. And I was so moved by it. I was on my face just sobbing before God, because I knew at that very moment, that ‘You are the God that You say You are; and that You are my God.’ You’re not just a religious thing and figment. You are literally the God who calls me. And I knew at that moment that He became more personal than just a theological thing.

SID: And you saw these prophets operate. And one day, you breathed a prayer to God. What was that?

KERRY: Yes. I made a vow inside. The prophets were coming and they were calling people out, and just speaking over the direction of their lives. And I saw the joy that it brought these people, and the change it brought in their lives. And I said to myself, you know internally, I said, “One of these days I want to do that.” And I heard the Lord say back to me that, “Whatsoever you desire when you pray, believe you have it.” And I said, “Yes, Lord, I will.”

SID: And that was your destiny. But then, Kerry received a revelation. Let me ask you a question. Do you feel sometimes that your prayers aren’t getting beyond the ceiling? Do you feel sometimes that your prayers are on instant pause; and wouldn’t it be wonderful if you could put it on fast-forward? I mean, just like that. Boom! It’s on fast-forward. It happens. It’s done. Kerry has a revelation that will allow that to happen. Your prayers are going to go on fast-forward. Kerry, tell me the circumstances of how you got this revelation.

KERRY: Well, I was driving on Interstate 30 in Dallas, Texas. Traffic was just horrendous, bumper-to-bumper. Had a young man pull in front of me and ‘bout caused a wreck. And to my surprise, I just blurted out, “Idiot!”

SID: How does someone in the ministry say, “Idiot”?  Now I didn’t say that to you (points at the camera).

KERRY: It just blurted out. And my wife who’s with me says, “Pardon me?” And I said, “Well, I think he is.” And so the Lord spoke to me in my heart and said, “Why did you call me an idiot?”

SID: You weren’t calling Him an idiot. You were calling the other driver an idiot.

KERRY: Yes. But the Lord began to speak to me. He says, “How can you curse man, whom you cannot see and – excuse me, how you curse man whom you can see and bless God who you cannot see? Because, as you’ve done it to the least of these, you’ve done it to me; and I created this young man.” And then He said to me, “Now bless him.” So I kind of flippantly said, “Oh okay, I bless him.” And He said, “No, bless him the way that you would want me to bless you.”

SID: Wow.

KERRY: And so I thought for a moment, wow. So I said, “I release him to fulfill all the purposes of God. I declare over this young man that he would come into the knowledge of the Son of God; that he would be a joy for his family, and that he would fulfill the calling and essence of his own life as well.” And when I did that, it was like the endorphins; I hear about runners, they get a runner high. I felt the pleasure of God just coursing through me physically, emotionally, spiritually; and I thought, this is what it means to delight yourself in the Lord; and I was pleasing God by doing it.

SID: How would you like to feel the pleasure of God? Kerry has found a key that when you call things that are not as if they are, according to God’s Word and not as they are; but what you see with your eyes; you release blessings in your family, you get rid of curses, the devil can’t touch you, sickness goes. Your finances increase. Your job gets better. I mean, it is amazing as he’s teaching this principle, and people grab hold of it; you start acting like the son and daughter of God you were called to be. Don’t go away. We’ll be back right after this word.

SID: Hello, Sid Roth here. Welcome to my world where it’s naturally supernatural. My guest, I met about 15 years ago for the first time. I was at a leaders meeting in Israel and I was so struck with the accuracy of a prophet, and he is a prophet, and he knew nothing about me. He didn’t know that I was struggling. He did not know that God had given me a new revelation, and I was proclaiming it everywhere, and I was being hit with the worst resistance. And I went into the meeting where he was speaking, in Israel. I sat down, and your first words to me, do you remember your first words, Chuck Pierce?

CHUCK: I do remember.

SID: What was it?

CHUCK: I remember how I saw what you were struggling with, and how God had such a plan for you to move the body of Christ into a whole new dimension of thinking.

SID: He said the word, “one new man”.

CHUCK: Absolutely.

SID: …I was so encouraged…when you said something to the affect, “You’re going to bring the one new man.” The first time I met you, I knew you had a genuine, true, prophetic gift. I want to find out about how this gift developed in you. But the thing that’s so amazing to me is in 2005, you heard a word about the President of the United States. What did you hear? And by the way, this was documented. This isn’t just he said it after the fact. In 2005, what did you hear?

CHUCK: Well we were traveling across every state in America, Doug Sheets and I, and we had gone across Alabama from Birmingham to Montgomery. In Montgomery, we were in a large church, Kyle Searcy’s church, and while we were there the Spirit of God came down and said, “You prophecy that the next president will be a black man; and an Afro-American would become the next President in America.”

SID: Now that took, we Jewish people have a word. It’s called “chutzpah”, nerve. That took chutzpah, Chuck.

CHUCK: It did. It really did to be that specific because I knew, that by 2008, that would be able to be tracked.

SID: And the thing that’s interesting to me is that he realized, when an African-American would become President of the United States; but he knew it way back then, that the curse from slavery would be neutralized; but as you put it, the roots would not be dealt with. Now, if a curse is neutralized, and let’s not get into it yet, but the basic root of the curse is not dealt with; what’s the repercussion?

CHUCK: Well if the basic root isn’t dealt with, Sid, it’s going to rise up, and it’s going to produce a different type of fruit; not the fruit that we were normally used to seeing, but the root will come alive again. Now the root of all slavery is anti-Semitism, linked with the concept of Mammon. And so, one of the things that I was seeing was, God was going to deal with the slavery issue that had divided America. But the root issue of anti-Semitism would then arise, and I believe the Lord showed me within three years…

SID: You know, the most amazing thing is, what he showed you on that. We’ll get to that in a minute. But I want to find out about the making of a prophet. You ended up, through sheer exhaustion, in a hospital; and there was a Pentecostal minister in the next bed. Talk about a set-up. So take me to that.

CHUCK: It was a sovereign time. First of all, our family had great potential. And my dad, who was a wonderful man; who had the ability to prosper, had fallen into corruption and died a premature death. That left me with being the first child over a 400-acre piece of land, ranch, and various aspects of it. And in the midst of it, we were not in good shape. Exhaustion came to me because I was working, I was going to school. I was partying, in ways I shouldn’t have been partying. And my grandmother, who was a godly woman, came to me, on my mother’s side, and said, “God has a different plan for you. Not the same plan that your dad, not the same direction your dad went.” And of course, when you’re 18, you don’t want to hear all that. Three months later, I ended up exhausted, with double pneumonia, in the hospital; and of course, my grandmother was a nurse in the hospital, came into my room and said, “I told you this was going to happen to you.” I was under oxygen. But God – in His sovereign grace, put me in a room with a Pentecostal preacher, who introduced me to someone I didn’t know, the Holy Spirit.

SID: And the Spirit of God came on you, literally.

CHUCK: He got out of the hospital and the Spirit of God visited me for three days.

SID: And there were two main things that were accomplished during these three days. The first thing that happened was Israel.

CHUCK: The first thing that happened was he told me, “Read the Bible.” Well there was something, the Spirit of God was there. He drew me to the Word of God. I started reading. In Genesis, you can’t read Genesis without coming into a question and an understanding of covenant. Now remember, the Spirit of God was visiting me. Therefore, it was as if the Word of God was redoing me from inside out; using the Word of God, and producing an understanding of covenant. The God of Israel, I believe, visited me. I believe the Spirit of God, who is represented through the Son, revealed to me the God of Israel. And in the midst of that, I began to see Israel. Something else happened, Sid. During the time I was there, it was the Munich Olympics, and I saw the hatred. Now I’m reading the Word, and God is revealing to me Israel. And how did He do that? My dad had acquired all the 12 sections of land of his inheritance. And there, I’m reading the Bible, and it’s about 12 tribes. And all of a sudden, it was as if I knew that if God could promise this group; who had a lot of mess about them, what He was promising them, He could do a work with the same family, bloodline that I had.

SID: I believe that he had such an encounter with the Holy Spirit that, number one; someone’s neck was just healed. That’s not number one. But that’s what God just told me. But number one, he got a revelation on Israel, and he has hung with that revelation. Number two, God spoke to him, and said he would restore everything that had been taken; and he could teach others how to restore everything that has been stolen from them; because of this revelation in Israel. And number three, he was so saturated with the Spirit of God, he began to prophecy the most astounding things. Wait ’til you hear what he heard about President Barak Obama. Be back right after this word.

Sid: The separation between Jew and Gentile, it’s finally come down and someone’s back was just healed in Yeshua’s name.  Getting ready Mishpochah to blow the grandest shofar and you’re going to hear the grandest shofar blowing on this show, the grandest trumpet in Zion, we want everyone everywhere to hear the good news.  We want everywhere to be Red Hot for the Messiah, my guests Don and Sue Heist. Don has an amazing gift of blowing the shofar, it’s not because it sounds better than any I have ever heard before and it does, it’s because of the anointing, the anointing destroys the yoke.  Don Heist, you were telling me on yesterday’s broadcast as we were going off the air that God showed you something about Gideon, tell me.

Don: Yes, it was that the use of the shofar that when Gideon took his army into the Amalekites camp they were expecting that they were going to be fighting with them.  And so they broke their clay pots, held up there torches so they could see and sound of the shofar.  What happened was when they sounded the shofar the Amalekites got so confused that they actually turned on each other and were fighting and killing each other.  So I understand the story Gideon any his army were pretty much just standing there watching the enemy kill itself and they won the battle God gave them the victory and they didn’t have to do anything.  And I believe just as in Jericho the shofar is instrumental tool of worship and warfare and God’s voice being emitted from it as what really does all the power of healing or warfare.

Sid: Now, what you do which is very interesting on you CD “Take Me In” it is fully orchestrated but one of the instruments is the shofar.  And you also do the traditional that Messianic Jews and Orthodox Jew have been doing for thousands of years that literally, how did we get these originally get these original melodies that you do on this CD?  Where did they originally come from?

Don: Well, these have been passed down through generations and generations of Jewish Rabbis and Jewish followers of the Church or the Synagogue because no where have we ever found that them being written down.  So we don’t know for a fact how accurate we are when we are playing them, but we do know that by word of mouth they have been passed down through the generations for the use in the Jewish Synagogue and now we use them in the Messianic Circles as the same meanings to do the same things that they’ve always been used for but we’re exposing them and using them in more public manner that believers and nonbelievers alike can hear.

Sid: Sue, I have a question for you, who is Don’s wife.  You hear of all of these amazing reports of people being healed, and as a matter of fact, let me just interject something.  You had a prophetic word Don in 2007 and now people may or may not have been healed before but after that prophetic word, and explosions of healing occurred.  Who was that that prophesied over you and what even happened at that meeting.

Don: Well, we were at a conference in South Florida and Bob Griffin was there and as he was passing across the front of the platform where Paul Wilbur Worship Band and I were standing, he was prophesying and he just stopped and turned his head and looked at me and when our eyes met, I have to be honest and say it, it frightened me because it because I knew that he was about to say something to me.  And so he looked at me, pointed his finger towards me and said, “I have a word for you from God.”  And I’m standing there in awe wondering what’s coming and he says, “God just told me tell you that whenever you blow the cancer must go.”  And from that moment on we were getting reports of the most amazing things happening with healings.  There was a man at the conference that night that I sounded the shofar into his chest and a few weeks later he sends me an email that says that he was completely healed, that the testing when he went back to the hospital, all these golf ball size lumps in his chest were totally gone.

Sid: Okay, let’s go back to Sue right now, Sue, your hearing all these reports, you’re witnessing with your eyes, I know that when you had your husband on we had so many healings from him just blowing the shofar.  But you were rear ended in an auto accident and you had a horrible condition that went on for eighteen years, you’re seeing all these other people healed, didn’t you wonder why you weren’t being healed?

Sue: I waited a long time, yes I did and this preparing Don to leave for another conference that I had this righteous anger that just kind of arose.

Sid: Let’s go back a little bit; what were you diagnosed and describe your worse situation with this diagnosis.

Sue: The diagnosis was Arnold Chiari malformation which is a brain malformation where the tonsil of the brain lies low in the skull or outside the skull.  It’s degenerative and the only choice to make any changes was some very serious surgery with high complications because it being the brain and the vertebrae.  And we prayed and prayed.

Sid: What were the symptoms of this?

Sue: It prevented me from bending over when I would bend over forward to pick anything up I would have a severe knife stabbing pain on top of my head, sometimes it would last for minutes, sometimes it would last for days.  I could not do anything with movement as to riding as a passenger in the car, I had to drive rather than ride, I could not do elevators or escalators, it got to the point where they put prisms on my reading glasses so that it would pull my eyes back in because I need vision therapy because the eyes could not track properly.  Depth perception is a problem, anything with movement; I couldn’t watch any movement on TV whether it be football or ice skating or anything like that.

Sid: So you could not even be a passenger in a car?

Sue: No.

Sid: I mean you really were isolated by this, Don it must have been very hard for you to live with your wife’s condition, seeing all these other people healed and seeing your wife suffer for these eighteen years.

Don: Yes, it was and that’s the saving grace of the whole thing is that God just kept encouraging both of us to hang on by prayer and calling out on him.  We knew the day would come at some day the total healing.  We prayed together every day for her complete restoration and healing no matter what the doctor said.

Sid: Okay Sue, even though it was incurable short of very dangerous surgery that could have result in something even worse, one day you reached you point and you and Don agreed in prayer and he blew the shofar over you, do remember that day?

Sue: I do.

Sid: Tell me about it.

Sue: He was getting ready to leave for a conference and I just believed very strongly that healing needs to start at home, if our home is healed and healthy our churches would be healed and healthy and one last time I asked him to pray for me before he left and I wanted him to blow the shofar right into the back of my head where the brain malformation was.  He was a little resistant because of the sound being so loud and I demanded it and just cried on him one more time, please pray before you leave.  And he did, he left for the conference, he was gone three days and I just gave it to the Lord and said, “Okay, it’s in your hands, I was obedient to get the prayer and now it’s up to you God.”  And over those three days he was gone I started seeing healing being manifested in my body that the first day he was gone I dropped something on the floor, which normally I could not bend over and pick up with not severe pain and I bent over without even thinking and I picked it up and I just stopped myself and was shocked, it was like, wait a minute I don’t have any pain.  But over the three days he was gone, things just started changing until he came home that Sunday evening at the airport I actually rode the moving walkway with our son and we rode and escalator and our son was just astonished, no I can’t let you do this Mom, you are going to be so sick.  I said, No, I’m not sick any more.  And every symptom…

Sid: How long have you been symptom free?

Sue: Two and a half years a little over two and half years, October it will be three years.

Sid: Okay, time is slipping away, people listen to me right now Mishpochah, I believe the anointing is going to destroy the yoke on your life.  Let’s hear a selection “Holy Worship”

Don Heist’s selection “Holy Worship” 9.31 -11.20

Sid: Well, my guest is red hot for the Messiah; I just wish you’d been a fly on the wall hearing the conversation I had with Chuck Pierce before we even started this interview.  But Chuck, I don’t know how many years ago it was, but I happened to have been in Israel and you were in Israel meeting a group of leaders and someone found out I was there and they invited me to that meeting.  And as the meeting started you looked over at me and you said something to the effect of “You’re supposed to bring the One New Man or talk about the One New Man.”  And I didn’t even know you at the time; and I don’t think you even knew I was talking about that at the time.  Do you remember that at all or not?

Chuck: I do, I do Sid, first of all let me just say, I can’t think of anybody I would rather be talking to right now than you, and all of you listeners out there; this ministry and is probably one of the very best that you watch in days ahead to get the right message of what’s happening as the Church comes into its Kingdom, full Kingdom expression as the nations begin to clash in days ahead.  Sid it was probably, that was probably fifteen years ago that that happened and I just knew you by the Spirit, I think you opened your mouth and I thought, “He’s the guy who understands this.”  And it was so few then that really understood how God was bringing Jew and Gentile together.  I think once I heard you make two or three sentences immediately my heart leapt and said, “He’s the one.”

Sid: Well, I was impressed that you caught that so fast, because I was fairly new at teaching on that area at that time and as a matter of fact I don’t want to go into detail, but many that have embraced what I teach today, when I taught it back then, you would have thought that I was spreading leprosy because they was so different from their paradigm.

Chuck: I think that it was because of that wall of division there.

Sid: But do you know what; there is more to this Chuck that it’s going deeper and deeper and with your prophetic gift, I want our Mishpochah to have an accurate understanding of the future.  And one of the things that I think is a amazing is the prophecy that you delivered in 2005 and tell us that prophecy.

Chuck: Well, many of you know that Dutch Sheets and I visited all fifty states when the prayer movement was coming into fullness in America and getting ready to shift.  And we knew that we needed to visit all states.  So when we got to Alabama we were in Birmingham with Kyle Searcy and who is a wonderful, wonderful leader in Alabama; and in the midst of the service there, which probably had 1,500 people in it; the Spirit of God fell on me and said, “I have brought you here to decree that out of this place; and here’s what happens to me Sid.  All of a sudden when I’m in the presence of God I can see into the future and all of a sudden in 2005 I could see that the next President would be an a Afro-American President.

Sid: Well, that was a good way to get labeled a false prophet, because the probability in 2005 of us having an African American President was probably minus zero.

Chuck: Well, and I remember Kyle saying, “You know we thought that was such a far-fetched prophecy that we kept that prophecy, we recorded it and we kept it before us to see if what you said then would happen and that meant if it happened the other things that was being prophesied that night was going to happen.

Sid: Well, I’m on the edge of my seat, “What other things did you prophecy, I mean anyone that could catch that, that President Barack Obama would be the first African American President.  And when did you say that would happen?

Chuck: I said, “By 2008, it would be the next president.”

Sid: Okay, what else did you see at that time?

Chuck: Well, I tell you it set me on a journey, it set me on a personal journey and it set me on a journey in shifting my own life to pray in a different way, because what I saw was really; what I began to see at that point was really how we had focused on the racial issue in America; before the civil war slavery for four hundred years.  God was going to bring some sort of neutralization to that 400 year cycle of what we call slavery; but what he was really going to deal with was going to be the anti-Semitic root of slavery!  And take us fully into an expression of how we would align with Israel beginning this year.  Now God did not show me fullness, the plan of fullness of this until May 2008, but I started the journey in 2005.  Another thing that it did Sid was all of my friends who, many of them are very conservative in their political stance; they were striving to see who to support and who would win the election so that it could prophecy correctly in 2008 and I finally had to say, “Now, wait a minute guys, you’re prophesying this guy and that guy and that guy and none of that is going to happen; a black man will be nominated and he will win the election.  And I was actually asked by friends, “Please do not say that because you have prophetic influence and it will sway people in this nation not to vote correctly.”

Sid: Okay, but you also saw something back then that would happen in, you were so specific, in May of 2011; what did you see?

Chuck: By 2008 God had started showing me really what this nation was beginning, how we were beginning to turn and so I was at Liberty Island, remember you know how we rhythm things every year?  So in 2008 it was the year to open the gates and so they had a meeting up at Liberty Park at Ellis Island where most of our people had come through; immigrants had come through into this nation.  And we were to open the gate again and invite the Glory of God in and what they would do; they would come through Ellis Island, they would sign the register and then they would go on a train into Newark and into New York City.  So we actually rented the train station there, this group did in Newark and we had a meeting there; we had about 1500 people in and I was to be the speaker.  When I got there the Spirit of God fell on me and caught me up.  Now this made me very useless as a speaker for a major gathering because He caught me up into a Heavenly Realm and He began again to show me three years ahead what would happen.  See I think with me Sid, one of the things that I see is I see that when I’m at the right place at the right time as it says in Acts, as the word of God says in Acts 17:24 – 27, when I’m in that moment all of a sudden it says that He predetermines your times and place, that means you can see the horizon line of the future.  And I believe what He did with me at that moment was show me what would happen and in it He showed me details of this nation; of what would happen in this nation, state by state, by state, by state.  Now before I want to give you, I want you to ask me some questions, but I do want to say this, the first three states he showed me were Arizona, Alabama and Alaska.  This was in May 2008; and in the midst of that it was clear how this nation would begin to take its next turn in history.

Sid: But what did He say about would happen in May of 2011?

Chuck: Well, and see He showed me our nation with its relationship with Israel; he showed me every state’s relationship with Israel.  I’ll go ahead and say this, I came back after that and I was a little shaken from the vision so I did two things,  I asked Robert Heidler, which many of you know that name because he wrote, “Messiah Church Arising.” And he and I work together we co-labor together in Ministry.  I came back and I described each state what it looked like and he drew it for me as I described it; so we have that record.  Then I started researching each state, Janice Sweeney who is one of our Pastors here started researching each state.

Sid: I’ll tell you what, “We’re out of time; we’ll pick up right here on tomorrow’s broadcast Chuck; but I am overwhelmed over some of the things God has shown you…”

Sid: Now my guest Larry Hutton, has got the most wonderful key, Larry I have to tell you when I was listening to your CD’s and the CD has a title “How to Live in Peace All the Time” I felt I could feel the peace of God.  I could feel the pleasure of God; I mean I have so enjoyed listening to your teaching that I had to find out in 1977 when you had a visitation you told me that the presence of God was so strong that you probably couldn’t even get up?

Larry: Yeah, yeah it was pretty awesome.

Sid: Jus out of curiosity, was it ever that strong before that time?

Larry: No Sir, no I had never experienced it before that time.

Sid: I bet you were one excited young man.

Larry: It definitely transformed your life, I mean when you start talking about not having anymore down days the rest of your life; I mean I thought that was too good to be true.  But thank God he showed me in the word, the Bible and it really is true.

Sid: Larry, in 2010 God spoke to you a very sobering word about what’s coming on the earth, tell me what He said.

Larry: Well, he told me that things in the world were going to get worse, that we had not seen the worse yet, but that for His children, for the children that are following after the Lord Jesus that it would not be a time of turmoil it would be a time of being light.  You can walk in His peace right through the dark times and right through those stressful and hurting times and have them not overwhelm you.  So it was pretty sobering in one sense and…

Sid: I have to believe that the message that God taught you in 1977 where He personally taught you how to live in peace all the time, step by step was in preparation for what believer’s need now at this point in history.  There’s going to be…, you know what it reminds me of?  It reminds me of the Exodus where there was a distinction between God’s people and the Egyptians.  That’s what I’m hearing you say.

Larry: Right, yeah because I mean with time the way they are in the financial arena and physical things attacking people and all this stuff it’s like I mean, just overwhelming for people in their mental and emotions and to learn to walk free from that is just…

Sid: Now when God talked to you to you personally in 1977 and told you that you could live like this 24-7 you told me, it was hard for you to believe.

Larry: Yeah.

Sid: Tell me the first test you had that you could remember because as you explained, since ’77 you’ve had plenty of opportunity to have fear and worry etc. but in the early days you must have had what I find is when God gives us a revelation;  the devil gives us a major test.  Tell me about it.

Larry: Yeah, well the Lord had taught me that all of the fears and the stress and the depression and discouragement, all of those things we have to face that He already faced them at the cross and defeated them for us.  So I remember I was at Delta Airlines one time and some lies were told about me that it looked like it was going to make me lose my job. Management had gotten wind of it and they didn’t want to give me the opportunity to defend myself and so I had all of this I was wanting to you know how the old saying, “I’m going to kill those people that lied about me.”  So I had my anger, and then depression and then fear of losing my job and all of this stuff and the Lord reminded me; He said, “Remember what I taught you in John 16:33. That I’ve deprived it of power to harm you and defeated it and conquered it for you.”  And so then I just remember standing up and He told me, “Now speak to those feeling, speak to those negative emotions, talk to them like you would a person and tell them I already told you in advance they were coming and that they were coming and that they were defeated.”  And I remember Sid; I jumped up and just started almost shouting, I mean just started shouted, heah you, just talking to those feeling that I was so about to be overwhelmed with.  Talking to them and just said, “Listen, you don’t have any power to make me depressed, you don’t have any power to make me stressed or worried, I am free!  Jesus already defeated you and I’m free from you; I have the peace of God in me.”  And Sid, when I said that another supernatural thing happened, I felt like I was enveloped in a bubble.  I mean it’s hard to explain it, it was like I was in this bubble of peace that God just garrisoned me like the hedge of Job, it was like all of a sudden I had this peace that I couldn’t even explain.  And I just walked through the midst of that storm and a short time later all of the lies came out; I never even said one word to defend myself but God turned the whole situation around.

Sid: When something like that happens, when you just know inside like you knew when you started speaking to all that turmoil that was hitting you.  Do you ever jump up and down and get excited because you realize what has occurred even though you can’t see it with your natural eye?

Larry: I’m sure some people would probably think it’d be silly if they saw me, there’s been times when I had things like that happen where I just do a little, I guess I’d call it I’d do a little gig, I just dance before the Lord.  It’s just like Lord, you just, I mean it just thrills your soul so much, you just can’t help.  It’s like joy unspeakable.

Sid: Okay, Larry between you and me just the two of us now, it’s been a long time since 1977, you’ve had many opportunities, many, many, many I mean I can probably throw a few that have hit me in the last week.  I’ve had many, many, many opportunities.  Everyone listening to us has, are you telling me that since 1977 you can really say you’ve had no stress filled days, no depression, no woe is me days, no strife filled days, you’re really telling me that?

Larry: I am really telling you that, but between us and face of the Lord Jesus that I have not had a down day, a stress filled day, a depressed day, a discouraged, day.  Plenty of opportunities like you say, but I learned how to pass them up; I learned how to not let them overtake me when they came against me.

Sid: Now you were telling me that over the years since you’ve taught this people with physical conditions get healed.  What about someone with high blood pressure?  Do many people take this teaching and their blood pressure becomes normal?

Larry: Yeah, we’ve had quite a few testimonies of people coming up and they’d tell me, “Larry I was a like a major worry wart and I just always worried and it just caused high blood pressure; but when I found out that Jesus gave me His peace and I didn’t have to worry anymore; I got set free and the blood pressure stabilized and I don’t have to take the medicine anymore.  We heard that many, many, many times.

Sid: What about people, big chronic problem in America with Christians as well as non-Christians is insomnia, I bet this has a lot to do with curing insomnia.

Larry: We have and we actually have gotten testimonies from people that have been telling us that they used to have sleep disorders, and sleep problems and that they actually learned that they could not only live in peace during the day time, but they could lay down in peace at night and then have their sleep sweet.  And that’s been a wonderful testimony, I love hearing people say that; because you know Sid, man when people can’t sleep then that causing all kinds of problems in every other area of your life.

Sid: I have to believe this is such a key, I mean I’ve heard medical studies that people with cancer, if they’ll watch comedies and laugh and laugh it releases some good things in their body and they actually get healed.  Well I happen to believe the reverse is also true; if you’re living in strife all the time, if you’re living in fear and in worry and in panic.  And you’re like a roller coaster, you’re going up and down, it’s got to release things in the body that cause you to be sick.

Larry: Absolutely, absolutely I mean I’ve even talked to doctor friends that have told me that you know that when they go to medical school they’re trained to diagnose these different illnesses.  And when people come in and they can’t diagnose them they realize man this is caused by stress, it’s caused by depression, it’s caused by anger, just all of these things that our bodies were not created to handle; and so it just causes all kinds of messes.

Sid: Now, before this happened to you, before ’77 and the Lord personally came to you, you felt His presence in such a tangible fashion and He showed you step by step how you could live the rest of your life with no down days.  Tell me some of the more severe emotional problems that you were dealing with before that happened.

Larry: You know I didn’t think that I was an emotional unstable person then.  I remember the Lord spoke to me about that and showed me, “Larry if you can’t control your temper then your emotionally unstable.”  Man that was like a low blow, it’s like I thought, woe I’m not emotionally unstable, I’m strong; I’m an athlete I got my act together.  But when I let temper and anger control me and then when things would happen and depression and discouragement and those things would overwhelm me and just rule your life you know.  Just cause you to make wrong decisions and treat people wrong and be mean to people and ugly and it was things like that that I needed…

Sid: Larry, were out of time, but I have to tell you I feel the pleasure of God on your teaching.