Sid Roth

SID: Welcome, welcome to my world where it’s naturally supernatural. My next guest had incurable “schizophrenia.” He was touched by the power of God, set free and then became an administrator in the institution he was hospitalized in, 50 employees under him. Now I asked my personal doctor, Dr. Dietry [sp], last night a question on the phone. “He went off all medicine, all medication, Doctor. To your knowledge, what happens to a schizophrenic that takes no medicine?”

DOCTOR: That’s a good question. It’s an unbelievable phenomenon, schizophrenia. When you come off medication, provided the medication was helping in the first place, you get an extra [unintelligible] a spike of hallucinations, ideations and delusions. It’s not a very pretty sight.

SID: Have you ever heard of someone that’s diagnosed with schizophrenia? Oh, I forgot one more thing. In a few years, he was supposed to be catatonic. That was the diagnosis. A thousand pages of diagnosis, Doctor. Have you ever heard of such a thing?

DOCTOR: Personally, I have never seen anybody come off of medication and be normal.

SID: Well but I have to tell you, Doctor, he is not normal according to the world. He is normal according to the Word of God. So Nick Griemsmann was raised in a secular home. His father left at age, when he was age eight. He got addicted to pornography at 10. At 21, he was a full-blown alcoholic and he was a bartender. But at age 23, you know, we take a lot of things for granted, at age 23, he’s an alcoholic, he’s a drug addict, he’s a mess. I’m just saying it, Nick. And he gets a little tract about the Messiah, and he calls the person on the phone, because there was a phone number on this tract. And what happened?

NICK: The woman on the phone, she was really nice, and she asked me a question, she said something about, “Are you, have you received Jesus?” And I asked her, “What does that actually mean because so many people tell me different things about Christianity and I was studying different religions like Islam and Judaism, different sects in Christianity, and things like that. And so, “What does it really mean to receive Jesus?” And she said, “It’s easy. The Bible says you can confess Jesus as Lord and he will come into your life.” And so I said this simple prayer and he came into my heart, and totally changed me.

SID: What happened to your drug addiction, your alcoholism

NICK: When I said this prayer, it was so incredible. I still remember it like it was yesterday. I was on the phone with her and I prayed this simple prayer of faith. I had just faith in God at the time. I said the name of Jesus. And the moment I said the name of Jesus this liquid love came upon me, and for the first time, I knew I was completely free from all my sin, alcoholism, drugs. I had a sexuality immorality I was into, you know the lifestyle of a bartender, and God completely set me free from that.

SID: You know, only God could do something like that. But then right behind the devil came up to him when that seed was planted, immediately, he came up to him because Nick now wants to live for God. And he goes on the Internet and he finds out there’s a place where the guy says he’s one of the End Time prophets and they’ll give him food, they’ll give him shelter, they’ll train him. It sounded pretty good.

NICK: Absolutely. I was trying to find a good church and I found this online. And I thought, wow, I can leave all my old friends and leave my family, and all the troubles I used to have, and I can serve Jesus with my whole heart, because I really loved God.

SID: But it turned out to be a cult. The first crack that you saw in this cult was two of the senior members having a disagreement.

NICK: Yeah. One thing that the cult would preach, that they were sinless. They would say that they never sin or anything like that. And I was there and the men, one night they started arguing over something and they were like almost like throwing blows at each other and swearing. And I thought, they’re preaching that they’re sinless, but it doesn’t look like they are sinless. And my heart started going, well maybe this really, maybe what they’re telling me isn’t all the truth.

SID: But you were so scared because they had this, was it a cassette, that you would have to listen to? And what was the warning it gave you?

NICK: In the cassettes, the prophet, the false prophet, he would say that if we left the church, because they said that they are the one true church, if we left the church it meant that we lost our salvation, blaspheming the Holy Spirit. So as you know, if you’re a young person in God and you don’t really know anything, I believed it and I was very afraid that if I left or talked to my family, they said my family was of the devil, I couldn’t talk to them. And they said that I would go to Hell if I did anything wrong or if I left the church, or said anything about the person in charge there.

SID: But he had such a heart for God. He was crying out and crying out. And one day, he takes off. He ends up in the Nashville Airport. What happened, Nick?

NICK: Well I entered the Nashville Airport and at this time, I started hearing voices in my mind. Before I left the cult, I actually started getting voices in my mind and I thought they were angels, and I thought God was speaking directly to my mind. And so I would listen to these voices. And I was, they would say things and they’d say bad things. And when I was in the Nashville Airport I was going to go to a phone to call my family to pick me up. And the voices came to me and said, “You need to go and you need to make a scene and yell, and scream, and praise God in the middle of the baggage claim area in Nashville Airport.” But I really loved God and I thought God—

SID: So you were willing to do anything for God. I wish, even though it was the wrong voice, I wish more Christians would be willing to do whatever God said. So they picked him up obviously. He’s diagnosed schizophrenic. He’s told in a few years he’ll be in a catatonic state. He goes home to be with his family and his mother insists he go to a little Assembly of God Church— and we’ll be right back.

Sid: I’m going to tell you something my guest is so red hot for the Messiah that even if you don’t read his books and get his tapes it’s going to pour out of the tapes and out of the radio right now.  Now Steve on yesterday’s broadcast we found out that a man I’m very familiar with Carlos Anacondia from Argentina I mean this guy has had such miracles and such deliverance and so many people saved and you walked up and you gave him a hand signal hit me on the forehead and he hit you and a ton of God’s power was deposited in you.  And you haven’t been the same since, but just out of curiosity, you went out for just a meeting and at the Brownsville church in Pensacola, Florida, and that turned into a meeting in which over 4 million people attended because there were such power radiating all over that congregation.  People were saved in amazing numbers, you were telling me that even the school system was affected, tell me about that.

Steve: Oh, they would call us because kids were falling out under the power in the hallways and one principal had several kids laid out in his office, and they had the paramedics there trying to resuscitate them with oxygen. You know the bottom line is God was moving Sid.  And I’m going to fast forward just a little bit because it just a revival it’s a move of God it has nothing to do with a building okay, you go back to Azusa right now and it’s a parking lot.  Okay it had nothing to do with the building it had to do with the Spirit of God; and so the revival moved, God touched and it went on for years and years and years.  Later I moved on, my wife and I moved on, we worked – we had previously after we worked in Argentina for 7 years, let me back up a second.  We worked for there for 7 years and we went to Russia, planted a church, we had planted 12 churches in Argentina, build an orphanage and I’m not bragging this is just what young people do when they’re on fire.  And then I read in a magazine about a move of God in England. I read in Time magazine so I went over there and Sandy Miller prayed for me in the Anglican church and I always if there’s a move of God Sid I’ve always gone on after it okay.  If you told me that there was a 12 year old girl in a certain town that God is using mightily under signs and wonders, I would go, I would go, if it was legitimate I would go to receive a touch from God period.  And so people would say, “Well, if God going to move He’ll come to our church and move,” whatever, whatever.  Why don’t you do both, why don’t you just pray that He’ll come to your church and why don’t you go after him also.

Sid: Well, you know that is a hunger, help me out I have this hunger but I don’t know how to answer this “How can someone listening to us right now have that kind of hunger for God?”

Steve: Well, it’s not that difficult, what we try to do is manufacture some type of relationship with Jesus.  We either know Him or you don’t. The way you know Him is you ask Him to forgive you of your sins and to come into your live and right now any one that doesn’t know Jesus, any one that doesn’t know Yeshua, you don’t know the Lord you can pray right now.  And say “Jesus, forgive me I have sinned, wash me, come into my life, be my Lord, my Savior, my very best friend.”  It’s not the length of your prayer my friend it is the quality of your prayer.  So I have a relationship with Jesus and He knows it, He can down load into my spirit anything because I love Him.  And if you love Him Sid the Bible says you’ll do what He asks you to do.  And you look at America, the reason we’re so messed up in the United States of America and the western church is because we say we love Him but we don’t follow Him.  And so that’s probably another whole other broadcast.

Sid: Tell me I want you to pick one out of the 1000’s if not 10’s of 1000’s of miracles that you saw in Pensacola, I want you to pick one and tell me about it.

Steve: Well, you’re being difficult now because I don’t talk about miracles unless they’re validated. So we spend time validating and one particular miracle which astounded me and you know people were always coming up Sid with x-rays before and after and all of this.  And you know I’d say “Glory to God.”  And if it were Spanish I’d say “Gloria a Dios que Él ha hecho algo maravilloso” glory to God He’s done something marvelous. There is one girl who came Sid and she was consumed with cancer, 15 years old wearing a baseball cap, skinny as a rail probably weighed I don’t know 80 pounds and she was dying and she was sent to us by a particular organization that let people that are dying, kids that are dying have their last request.  And she decided rather than go to Disney World or somewhere like that she decided to come to the Brownsville revival.  And remember we had been on CNN, Good Morning America, and Newsweek and it goes on and on. So people were being hit by this revival from all angles.  It wasn’t just a like a Christian sponsored thing, God was moving. So she told her parents she wanted to come down here, the organization OK’d it, they came down and this is one of the only times I ever made a show as far as bringing someone forward.  But God really spoke to me and said “We need to pray for her publicly.”  We did, prayed for her publicly Sid and two weeks later I received a letter, and this was back before emails, I received a letter from her father saying that they had had the MRI’s, the PET scans and the investigative work done on her and that she was cancer free. Well, fast-forward years okay that was back in 1998. Okay here we are years later, okay several years later way after the miracle we contacted her and my secretary had her number contacted her and she had moved out west she was totally clean of cancer, she had graduated from a university and she gave God all the glory for touching her.  So miracles like that we should not be surprised and right now if there’s somebody that you’re going “My God why won’t that happen to me?”  It can happen to you my friend, in the Name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth I’m believing God for a healing touch in your body, I’m believing God to raise you up.  Cancer I rebuke you in Jesus Name, satin you have no authority over this man over this woman, over this child in Jesus Name we bind you in Jesus Name. We speak healing in Jesus Name.

Sid: Steve I believe people all over the world are being healed at this moment, but I have to take you to a point May 2011.  You’ve seen people healed all over the world, you’re on your deathbed in 2001 they discovered melanoma it had metastasized, and there was really no hope but you went to everyone you knew.  You were as hungry to be healed, obviously you’re a young man you’re at really everything that you’ve been trained for is for this moment.  And you know that it’s not God’s will you’re going to die but you get worse and worse and worse. On Mary 2011 you’re on your death bed; what happened?

Steve:  Well, for those of you that are experiencing the tormenting effects of cancer or if you know somebody.  I’ve never met a family that doesn’t know about cancer, somebody a friend, a neighbor. What happened to me was I had many many, many chemo therapies and I’m not going to go through them Sid in this broadcast but some of them lasted 9 months.  One particular chemo therapy they would tie men with straps to the bed because the influx of the poison, which that’s poison, chemo is poison would cause them to violently shake and then throw the bed over.  And anyway I went through 9 months of that and then 8 months of another one and 7 months of another one and finally my body gave up.  I was at the point where it was over and the authorities came into my room and they looked at me and I couldn’t walk, and I couldn’t talk I could barely talk and I didn’t know my wife’s name.  I called her George, and I’d look straight at her and called her George, I had lost everything.  And I knew that it was over for me and the doctors told my wife that “I’ve got a few days and to go ahead and make preparations.”  And so she bought two burial plots one for her and one for me and she planned my funeral in the room I’m sitting in right now.  She planned my funeral and wept, (crying) because the man she had been married to for 3 decades was dying. And now the authorities who know all about the physical body was saying “It’s over, there’s nothing more that can be done.”  And I turned to her and I said “Jerry, I’m going to die so take me off everything, just take me off everything and I know that it’s going to be violent but take me off every drug.”  Because everything shut down Sid, my liver, my kidneys, everything stopped. I’m not going to get graphic with the audience but it was horrible, it was horrible.  She slowly and she slowly weaned me off the medication and we’re talking about a period of many, many, many, horrific months but God slowly worked a miracle and staff would come in and they’ve help me walk a few feet; I couldn’t walk 50 feet.   And slowly but surely God began to restore me and I can’t put a finger on when it happened, all I know is that God touched me.  Now am I still dealing with cancer?  “Yeah, I still have some affects, and I don’t know what’s going on but let me tell you “I live a full life, I work from 14 to 18 hours a day, I preach, I laid hands the other day on at least 800 people…

Sid: I don’t know if I could do that Steve. (Laughing) Steve our time is up.

Sid: My guest is red hot for the Messiah, he’s been a frequent guest on Messianic Vision. His name is Dr. Robert Heidler and he is the Senior Pastor of Glory of Zion Outreach Center in Denton, Texas. He holds a Master’s Degree from Dallas Theological Seminary. He’s had quite a journey in understanding the deliverance ministry, but something happened to him 5 years ago that transformed his thinking; he’s put it in a book and for the first time we can make available to whoever desires a self-deliverance manual that is so quick, so precise, so anointed, so simple that anyone can be set free and help others be set free. As I asked you before went on the air Robert, tell me what happened to you 5 years ago when you’re literally a new mantle of thinking hit you, explain.

Robert: Well I said up until that time when I thought of deliverance I thought of a 5 hour session with the person rolling around on the floor; it really didn’t produce much in the way of results. I was asked to be on a ministry team at a conference, this was a conference of about 2,000 people and they wanted to have individual deliverance sessions for anybody that wanted it. So they said we’ll put you in a room and you’ll have 15 minutes with each person to pray deliverance for them. When I heard that I thought “That is crazy. How can you do deliverance in 15 minutes?” We prayed and we went in there, my wife and I were partnering on the team. What we saw was God began to show us how to deal specifically with the issues, and we literally saw person after person set free in 15 minutes. We came back and did the same thing at a conference in our church and that’s where our deliverance ministry began because people began to come from all over the state because they heard “You can go there and get delivered.” It’s not painful, it’s not messy, and it lasts, it works.

Sid: I like that. I’m just going through your book as you’re speaking and you have a lot of these exercises to spot these hidden things. One has to do with ancestral sins, explain that.

Robert: Well Sid there are things that have happened in our ancestry things that have happened even before we were born that can give demonic powers a right to bring affliction into our lives. Once we see what those things are and deal with those, it cuts off the enemy’s attack.

Sid: Yeah but if it’s an ancestor you don’t know what their problems were.

Robert: Well God can show you; usually it’s something you are aware of. God can really show what the things are. We do a lot of that in deliverance, and it’s usually something the person is aware of in their ancestry. In a few cases it wasn’t and God just began to reveal it prophetically. In Daniel chapter 9, Daniel prayed, and he confessed, and repented of the sins of his ancestors. The result was that his people were set free from the bondage.

Sid: Give an example on page 93 of your book you have “Repenting of Ancestral Sins” and you list a number of them. What does someone do with this?

Robert: Well take anti-Semitism, if a person knows there’s anti-Semitism in their background that brings a curse that lasts generationally. It’s a curse that can be passed on from one generation to the next, and you see the results of a curse in your life and yet you look at your life and you don’t really see what you’ve done to bring that curse about. Once you see that there are things from your ancestry that can produce a curse you can go back and say “Well you know this was in my family line.” There’s a very simple prayer that takes you through to confess that, to renounce that, to take authority over the things that resulted from that. The result is the curse is broken.

Sid: Now as I said I’m looking at page 93 where you talk about “Repenting of Ancestral Sins” and you list them alphabetically. You say pray through the list confessing and renouncing the sins. Maybe I’ll read some of these.

Robert: Okay.

Sid: Abortion, adultery, argumentative, bitterness, bragging, fighting, coveting, critical, cruel, cursing, dishonesty, drunkenness, drug abuse, envy, I’m just jumping around here you have so many. Homosexuality, impurity, but what about… there seems to be such an addiction, if you will, to pornography with the advent of the internet. Could this be demonic?

Robert: Oh definitely, definitely.

Sid: Is there… and I’m sure you had a lot of experience along this line, but is there one person that comes to mind that was set free from that?

Robert: There was a very young man who was thoroughly addicted to pornography and it just controlled his life. He really wanted to serve the Lord, he was a… he wanted to follow the Lord, but this thing just controlled him and he could not stop, and he could not get free of it. We took him through some steps in deliverance and really in about 45 minutes he was set free. He did not have that problem again.

Sid: Now something that I mentioned to you, you have a definition of the word “deliverance” at the start of your book, and I like it. One of the definitions is it means to “rescue” explain.

Robert: When you’re in need of deliverance it means you’re being oppressed, you’re being harassed by the enemy. The good news is Jesus came to set the captives free; He came to be our Savior, to be our deliverer. To rescue means to be set free from the oppression and the bondage of the enemy. That is one of the main purposes that Jesus had in coming, He wanted to rescue us from everything the enemy tried to do in our lives.

Sid: Give me just briefly what are the practical steps of deliverance.

Robert: The first step is Sid is to realize God has… when we were saved God gave us protection. God put His robe of righteousness around us; He gave us the breastplate of righteousness to protect us. So it’s not God’s intention that we should live under the oppression of the enemy, but because a lot of Christians have not been taught about Satan and about how he works; as we go through life we do things that open us up to satanic oppression. So when we realize that we see what are the things that open the door for this person to be oppressed and how can we close the door. It’s usually something very very easy, something simple to do. We have seen people that have had problems… there was young woman recently she had had nightmares every night of her life from the time she was about 4 years old because of some things that had happened to her. She dreaded going to sleep, and we met with her for about an hour and a half, and that night for the first night that she could remember she did not have a nightmare.

Sid: Tell me just some practical steps as you outline in your book that someone can do in a self-deliverance.

Robert: Well we go through first of all explaining who the devil and how he gains access. Then most of the chapters are taking us through very specific access points that most people have for the enemy; strongholds in the mind, strongholds in the heart, authority issues, forgiveness, and we just… going through a process of closing every door that may have been open to the enemy. Then at the end it talks about our authority and how we can take up authority and command those spirits to leave. If we’ve deal with our access they leave instantaneously.

Sid: You know it just sounds too easy, shouldn’t it be more… I mean they have all these books that are so complex.

Robert: Well you know it’s not supposed to be hard, it’s not supposed to be a difficult thing because it’s the heart of Jesus for His people. It was interesting Sid when I studied the feasts, the biblical feasts, that a number of these deliverance issues are dealt with in the feasts. If you… if a person is going through the feasts and as with real understanding of their purpose, they just stay free from the enemy. That’s how… that’s what God wanted, He wanted us to be free from the enemy. He wanted us to walk in the truth that would set us free so that we don’t have to live with the oppression of the enemy.

Sid: In your book you talk about the Passover is a picture of the removal of these doors, if you will for the enemy, explain.

Robert: Oh yes, well Passover it’s a picture and a celebration of deliverance. You know Derek Prince used to say “The strongest confession for deliverance you can make is ‘I am redeemed by the blood of the Lamb, out of the hand of the enemy.’” That’s what Passover is all about, it is being delivered by the blood of the Lamb. Part of the Passover celebration is people went through the Feast of Unleavened Bread was to search out your house and to see anything that was impure and remove it. That’s one of the main steps in deliverance; you search out to see what is impure, you remove it, and that breaks the power of the enemy.

Sid: Once that is broken because we’re in between Pesach, Passover and Shavuot, Pentecost right now then we can really have the joy of Pentecost.

Robert: Exactly.

Sid: We want everyone everywhere to have no limits; it’s time to take the limits off of God.  It’s time to proclaim that “It’s Not Over.” I have Ricardo Sanchez on the telephone and we’re talking about his amazing CD “It’s Not Over.”  But from a life experience he’s literally, God has giving him a ministry because everyone is dealing with one or more serious problems in their life.  And some feel they’re hopeless, but when people go to his concerts or hear his teaching supernatural hope is infused and things turn around.  Well how would you like a report your 9 year old son was in a diving accident in the swimming pool, and he has less than 1% to recover, his prognosis is to spend the rest of his life in a wheelchair; maybe a breathing tube, a breathing machine, the tube coming out of his neck.  So you get this report, you worship God, your oblivious to the people, did you feel a breakthrough at that time or you don’t know what you felt?

Ricardo:  Sid I wish I could say that on the airplane when I got the texts from my wife and the phone call that I believed in faith the whole time and that the plane got saved.  That just wasn’t my ending, that wasn’t, or my beginning I should say.  To be quite honest with you I responded quite naturally I was intimidated, I don’t like using the word fear because I have God “Whom shall I fear.”  So the word intimidated comes to mind, I felt like I was about to enter into this battle and I was very nervous and I was in the airplane and I just remember tapping into those old hymns “Amazing Grace,” “Oh the Blood of Jesus,” “Something About that Name.”  And that seemed to be the sliver of hope that I needed to allow the anointing of God, the Balm of Gilead to begin to flow and to begin to heal those areas.  Not just in my life but of my sons, my blood line, those that are carrying on my name and it was through that worship experience that the presence of God began to flow through.  And the song “It’s Not Over” again began to bubble up in my spirit and that’s where I felt it was in that moment of falling on my face in the terminal and crying out to God that the presence of God began to saturate my situation, begin to saturate.  I believe even though I was in Jacksonville I believe that at that very time God began to move in Atlanta, Georgia in my sons body, in the doctors hands, in the ex-rays in the prognosis.  I begin I believe Spirit of God begin to flow in our entire circumstance.

Sid: Now tell me what the firefighter said that loaded your son in the helicopter.

Ricardo: Hmm, Sid this firefighter who had been a firefighter for over 9 years he said “In my 9 years of experience I’ve never seen anybody whether it’s an adult or a young person sustain this kind of injury and ever survive.  So prepare your heart for the worse.

Sid: So although you couldn’t see anything with your eyes I believe that there was a major breakthrough that occurred when you were not ashamed of God, you didn’t care what man thought and you, right in the middle of the airport, you start worshiping your God with every fiber of your being.

Ricardo: Yeah.

Sid: I believe things started changing.

Ricardo: Sid, that’s a great way to describe it because that’s exactly what it was every fiber of my being; I was unashamed of the gospel of Jesus Christ I needed God to move.  In those moments I heard it said “Adversity doesn’t build character but it reveals it.”  And Jesus said “What’s in a man comes out of man,” what they’re made of your character will be speak in those moments of desperation. For me when we heard that paramedic say that, Jeanette had told me this I had nothing left Sid it had emptied the tank, but in the midst of that I hit the floor and begin to worship God and just begin to cry out to Him and begin to ask for His Healing power to touch my son.

Sid: Tell me about the song we’re going to play right now “I’m Not Ashamed?”

Ricardo:  Well, it was kind of one of those moments, I has in Phoenix, Arizona at a concert my record label at the time had gotten us phenomenal seats to sit in about the tenth row.  As the artist is playing and singing there’s a young woman probably 23-24 years old dancing lifting her hands in the air and as a Pentecostal Worship Leader who believes in the Full Gospel I could obviously see she was speaking in tongues, lifting her hands praying in the Spirit.  Well there was a couple behind her that were mocking her, making fun of the way that she worshiped laughing mimicking her, mimicking her in mockery.  And what grabbed my heart as a Worship Leader is I saw this daughter of the woman that was worshiping just so enamored it was almost like her mother was teaching her how to worship.  And I thought “What an attack upon this young girl and her mother in a beautiful moment.”  And right when I was about to say something to this group of people who are making fun of that…you know my father’s a Retired Command Sargent Major in the United States Army and so right when my father’s voice was about to out of me to correct these people my wife nudged me, and the Spirit of God nudged my spirit at the exact same time God spoke to me.  And sometimes my wife and the Spirit of God are the exact same person to be quite honest.  But it was in that moment that God said “These people have no idea of what’s like to be fully dependent upon me for rent, for food, for sustaining life.  This woman is unashamed and could careless who’s watching her worship me.  And I remember going home that evening picking up my guitar and writing “I gonna Dance for You like nobody’s watching me.”

Sid: “I Am Not Ashamed” by Ricardo Sanchez.

Worship excerpt “I Am Not Ashamed”

Sid: Because Ricardo Sanchez was not ashamed God began to move from a 1% chance of survival his son.  I mean he had these pictures of his son being in a wheelchair his whole life, his son having a breathing tube coming out of his neck, a breathing machine.  But he had a breakthrough and I believe that the breakthrough that God has for you is…did you feel the anointing, the presence as Ricardo preaches and teaches about this.  And the presence of God on his music, that’s an anointing and that anointing will remove the limits God has.  I don’t care what problem you have, but as you listen to his CD “It’s Not Over,” and this book, and his teaching CD the anointing is going to cause the same breakthrough that occurred for Ricardo’s son that you’re about ready to hear in your life.  I don’t care whether it’s marriage, I don’t care whether it’s finances, I don’t care whether it’s health, I don’t care whether it’s a flat spirit of depression; I tell you it’s not over.”

SID: A key to understanding the move of God’s spirit is found in the Book of Corinthians, in which God says, “First the natural and then the spiritual.” Watch what God does in the natural. It always has a repercussion on the spiritual. Let me give you some examples. All these major revivals that I’m about ready to tell you about, the biggest the world has ever known, all connected with Israel. For instance, 1897 was the first Zionist Congress. A Zionist believes the Jewish people are entitled to the physical Land of Israel unconditionally, forever. The first Zionist, let’s get it straight, was God, not Theodore Herzl. Right after that came Azusa Street and the Pentecostal revival. 1948, Israel became a nation. You know what happened in ’48? Men and women were touched by the Spirit of God and had tents all over America. Oral Roberts. T.L. Osborn, Kenneth Hagen, all of these people, just raised up instantly. 1967, Jerusalem in Jewish possession. You know what happened? You know what that triggered? Nothing short of the charismatic revival. Isaiah 43:19, and I feel this so strongly, “For I’m about to do something new. See, I’ve already begun. Do you not see it?” What has he begun? The one new man. Let me explain this to you. John 17:21: “And they,” that’s Jew and gentile, “all may be one.” Some people say “they” is Catholics and Baptists, except for one thing. When Jesus said that, they didn’t exist. There were only two people groups: Jews and gentiles. So Jesus said, “I pray that they,” Jews and gentiles, “may be one.” What’s the repercussion? That the world may believe. Somehow it’s a catalyst when these two people groups get together. Their spiritual DNA merges. I’m getting a little ahead of myself because I’m getting excited. You know what happens when these two spiritual DNAs merge? John 17:21, I just read to you. John 17:22, it tells you what happens. Jesus says, “The same glory that is on you will be on them.” You want to see that same glory on you? I want to see that same glory. Ephesians, Chapter 2, Verse 14 and 15, and 22: “For he himself is our peace who has made both Jew and gentile one and is broken down the middle wall of separation.” You see, there was a separation between Jews and gentiles. So here it is in Ephesians 2. I just read 14, 15. Here’s Verse 22: “In whom you also are being built together for a dwelling place of God in the Spirit.” And in Verse 15 it says, “And so as to create in himself one new man from the two, thus making peace.” The Hebrew word for “peace” is completeness. So it’s saying when that occurs, we’re going to make a complete dwelling place of God for God by His spirit. You see the repercussions of what I’m saying about? Now Psalm 122:6, you can understand a major promise. It’s the only city in all of Scripture God commands us to pray for with a special blessing if you’ll do that. He says, “Pray for the peace of Jerusalem.” What’s the Hebrew word for peace? Shalom. What does shalom mean? Completeness. What is completeness? Jew and gentile being one in the Messiah. “Pray for the completeness of Jerusalem.” And it makes a promise, as if we need a promise for this. But God says, “May they,” who’s they, “Jew and gentle prosper.” And in the Hebrew prosper means “heart peace”. How would you like this day and age we’re living in, how would you like heart peace? God says, if you pray for these two people to become one you’re going to have heart peace. That’s His promise to you. Ezekiel 47:9 says in the Amplified, and it’s talking about the River of God, and it says, “Wherever the double river shall go every living creature shall live.” What’s the double river? Jew and gentile. One in Messiah. One in Yeshua. Wherever that double river goes people are going to live. Romans 11:15 says, “If their being castaway is the reconciling of the world, what will their acceptance be but life from the dead.” I believe we’re about on the cutting edge of the greatest move of God’s spirit to cause Jewish people to come to know him, to form the one new man for the release of the greatest miracles the world has ever seen, life from the dead miracles, resurrection life miracles, limbs being restored. That’s what we’re about ready to see. Are you ready to see that? I’m ready to see that. I’m ready to see. Jesus said, “You are going to do the same works that I have done and even greater.” This is the greater. You ready? I’m ready.

Sid: The truth is that is the only normal way to function. Some of you are abnormal it’s time for you to be normal. I’ve got a normal believer on the telephone; her name is Clarice Holden. On May 8, 2000 her husband was hit by a drunk driver, he catapulted out of his car; his car rolled over a number of times. What was wrong with him initially Clarice?

Clarice: Well his neck was broken in 2 places Sid. His leg was broken in 15 places. His spleen was torn, his liver, and his kidney, and his pelvis was crushed. It was kind of bad there, but they were all things that they thought would heal.

Sid: But he reached a point where he wasn’t healing. You knew there was something wrong; the doctors didn’t have a clue; you insisted on them doing one more test. They did, and they said “This is an emergency situation. We’ve got to operate to save his life.” They operated then what did they tell you?

Clarice: They come in and the doctor looked at me and said “Miss Holden we’ve done all we can do. I’m sorry he will not make it through the night. It’ll be 3 hours maybe.” I looked at him, and you know I have never had my back against the wall like that Sid. It kind of takes your breath away when somebody tells you something like that. He said “You need to go home and prepare yourself.” I…

Sid: Three hours isn’t much time.

Clarice: No it isn’t. He said “I’m sorry to say that when we did the surgery that his insides came out, and I cannot close him back up.” It had been seeping all week in his system that he was swollen real bad, and whenever they did the incision everything came out. He says “He is in intensive care; he is on life support for the time being, but I’m sorry but he is not going to make it. There is nothing we can do, we’ve done everything.” I said “You know Dr.…” Maxwell was his name. I said “You don’t know me, and I don’t know you, but I believe God will give you the wisdom. I will pray and I will believe, and I’ll know God will show you what to do. He is not going to die, but I need you to agree with me.” He said “Miss Holden I cannot get in agreement with you.” So he walks out and I go in and my pastor and his wife, and my brother-in-law, and sister-in-law was there. My pastor said to me “Do you need to be alone?” I said “Yes I do.” I went to the chapel and I started praying, and an hour later I guess had went by. I found myself laying on that floor just crying out to God to save my husband. I got up and I started out of that chapel and I ran into that doctor, the surgeon, Dr. Maxwell. I walked up to him and I said “Dr. Maxwell please get into agreement with me. I know that God will give you the wisdom to heal Ronnie,” and he says “Miss Holden I will.” From that I told him I needed several things from him. First I needed to know what it was going to take for him to get through that night, and he said “Okay I will tell you,” and he gave me instructions. Ronnie had a colostomy, but his fever was raging and his kidneys were shutting down.

Sid: Well basically all of his organs were rotting.

Clarice: Absolutely. So I went back and I never heard anybody do what I did. I didn’t have a hand bit for this, but I walked into the intensive care waiting room there and I told all our family; I said “God is going to heal him I know it in my heart…”

Sid: Did you have an audible voice, did you have a vision, or it’s just a knowing?

Clarice: It was just a knowing Sid. Everything I’ve ever got from God I had to do it by faith. Ronnie has visions, and I have to walk the line (laughing). I’ve laughed at him, but he always says “God gives each one of us what we need.” But this time I just knew in my heart, and I felt it and I was not gonna give up. I walked back and I said “I’m gonna tell you, God’s going to heal him, but I don’t want anybody walking out of this room ringing your hands crying were gonna pray and were gonna believe God, and were gonna be in one agreement. We are not going to say ‘Poor Ronnie,’ and nobody is gonna see him unless they believe the way I believe.”

Sid: Clarice how did you know how to give these, one after another, directives?

Clarice: I do not know, I never heard anybody do this. God had to give it to me, but the Holy Spirit really ministered to me and I wasn’t even aware of it. He was speaking through me, and my family looked at me, they knew that was not me, and they said “They would.” I said to the doctor I said “I want complete access to him 24 hours a day. I will never be in your way, but I need to be able to see him, and to pray.” I said “I need to know when you have all these doctors get together; I need to be able to hear what they’re saying, they need to know my name and I need to know their name. I want to be in on the meetings,” and they said “That’s fine.” I’ve never heard of this before Sid. I wanted to know so I would know how to pray, and I prayed specifically. I didn’t pray God just heal him, I prayed specifically. When we got through that first night I said “Lord I know and I know that you’re gonna do this.”

Sid: Well just out of curiosity,  since they said that he’d only live 3 hours, and you got by the first night. Did Doctor Maxwell or any of the other staff comment?

Clarice: Well he’d never seen anybody quite like me before.

Sid: (Laughing)

Clarice: Quite frankly, I had never seen anybody quite like me. He was kind of surprised. He said “Well, you know, he made it through the night.” I said “Yes he did and he’s gonna make it through tomorrow too.” He was having crises all the time; we were in a constant fight it was not an easy fight. He got through the first night, but the next day something else happened. He was having breakdown of different organs, so we would have to pray for that, and we would get over that hurtle. The whole church was surrounding us. Our pastors, the whole congregation, our praise team were supporting us and they were praying and believing for a miracle. One miracle after the other it was several miracles a day Sid.

Sid: Now did a lot of people on the staff at that hospital know what was going on?

Clarice:We were the spectacle; I’ll tell you I’ll be honest. They didn’t know what to expect out of me, and a lot of times Sid I would walk in the Intensive Care Unit where Ronnie was, and I could just stand there they’d be working on Ronnie. You know there were several times I just walked in and I couldn’t get in there was so many doctors, and technicians, and nurses taking care of him. I mean he was hooked up to so many machines; he had 24 tubes coming into him. His abdomen was wide open for 12 days, and they just had a mesh over him. It was unbelievable he had this huge halo on, but I didn’t see Ronnie as he was laying there, I saw him as a well man; I saw him as what he is today. I didn’t look at what was there; I called things as though as they are today, not as they were that day.

Sid: Clarice you said you didn’t have a manual. I think you have one now. I think this book were making available called “Fighting Death and Other Desperate Battles” is a manual that I’d imagine would have helped a lot if you had this.

Clarice: I tell you it would have, but everything was happening so fast. I mean Ronnie was crashing, he was having a lot of problems. We were having to pray and intercede 24 hours a day. I never left the hospital for 52 days. From the day he came till the day he left I left with him.

Sid: But there must have been many times, because no matter how strong you were, you were pretty strong there, very strong there beyond normal. No I take it back, you were normal. (Laughing) There must have been moments where you said “Am I going crazy, or he’s not going to live.”

Clarice: There was one time, and my friend Sandy she is our church secretary, she and my other friend Barbara Campbell were with me 24 hours a day. I had an interceder with me, they interceded day and night. A prayer warrior that we were fighting for Ronnie’s life no matter what came up, but there was one morning about 3:00, we had fought and fought. They had one Code Blue after the other, and you know I was like “Lord you’ve gotta help me.” I went to the restroom there and the enemy come at me. He said “You’ve got to plan your husband’s funeral.” Oh I just knew and I just started hitting the walls with my fists so loud that I was screaming that I had to get that into my spirit that I had to get what he was saying to me out, and to get what…

Sid: Were out of time.

Sid: The truth is that is the only normal way to function. Some of you are abnormal it’s time for you to be normal. I’ve got a normal believer on the telephone; her name is Clarice Holden. On May 8, 2000 her husband was hit by a drunk driver, he catapulted out of his car; his car rolled over a number of times. What was wrong with him initially Clarice?

Clarice: Well his neck was broken in 2 places Sid. His leg was broken in 15 places. His spleen was torn, his liver, and his kidney, and his pelvis was crushed. It was kind of bad there, but they were all things that they thought would heal.

Sid: But he reached a point where he wasn’t healing. You knew there was something wrong; the doctors didn’t have a clue; you insisted on them doing one more test. They did, and they said “This is an emergency situation. We’ve got to operate to save his life.” They operated then what did they tell you?

Clarice: They come in and the doctor looked at me and said “Miss Holden we’ve done all we can do. I’m sorry he will not make it through the night. It’ll be 3 hours maybe.” I looked at him, and you know I have never had my back against the wall like that Sid. It kind of takes your breath away when somebody tells you something like that. He said “You need to go home and prepare yourself.” I…

Sid: Three hours isn’t much time.

Clarice: No it isn’t. He said “I’m sorry to say that when we did the surgery that his insides came out, and I cannot close him back up.” It had been seeping all week in his system that he was swollen real bad, and whenever they did the incision everything came out. He says “He is in intensive care; he is on life support for the time being, but I’m sorry but he is not going to make it. There is nothing we can do, we’ve done everything.” I said “You know Dr.…” Maxwell was his name. I said “You don’t know me, and I don’t know you, but I believe God will give you the wisdom. I will pray and I will believe, and I’ll know God will show you what to do. He is not going to die, but I need you to agree with me.” He said “Miss Holden I cannot get in agreement with you.” So he walks out and I go in and my pastor and his wife, and my brother-in-law, and sister-in-law was there. My pastor said to me “Do you need to be alone?” I said “Yes I do.” I went to the chapel and I started praying, and an hour later I guess had went by. I found myself laying on that floor just crying out to God to save my husband. I got up and I started out of that chapel and I ran into that doctor, the surgeon, Dr. Maxwell. I walked up to him and I said “Dr. Maxwell please get into agreement with me. I know that God will give you the wisdom to heal Ronnie,” and he says “Miss Holden I will.” From that I told him I needed several things from him. First I needed to know what it was going to take for him to get through that night, and he said “Okay I will tell you,” and he gave me instructions. Ronnie had a colostomy, but his fever was raging and his kidneys were shutting down.

Sid: Well basically all of his organs were rotting.

Clarice: Absolutely. So I went back and I never heard anybody do what I did. I didn’t have a hand bit for this, but I walked into the intensive care waiting room there and I told all our family; I said “God is going to heal him I know it in my heart…”

Sid: Did you have an audible voice, did you have a vision, or it’s just a knowing?

Clarice: It was just a knowing Sid. Everything I’ve ever got from God I had to do it by faith. Ronnie has visions, and I have to walk the line (laughing). I’ve laughed at him, but he always says “God gives each one of us what we need.” But this time I just knew in my heart, and I felt it and I was not gonna give up. I walked back and I said “I’m gonna tell you, God’s going to heal him, but I don’t want anybody walking out of this room ringing your hands crying were gonna pray and were gonna believe God, and were gonna be in one agreement. We are not going to say ‘Poor Ronnie,’ and nobody is gonna see him unless they believe the way I believe.”

Sid: Clarice how did you know how to give these, one after another, directives?

Clarice: I do not know, I never heard anybody do this. God had to give it to me, but the Holy Spirit really ministered to me and I wasn’t even aware of it. He was speaking through me, and my family looked at me, they knew that was not me, and they said “They would.” I said to the doctor I said “I want complete access to him 24 hours a day. I will never be in your way, but I need to be able to see him, and to pray.” I said “I need to know when you have all these doctors get together; I need to be able to hear what they’re saying, they need to know my name and I need to know their name. I want to be in on the meetings,” and they said “That’s fine.” I’ve never heard of this before Sid. I wanted to know so I would know how to pray, and I prayed specifically. I didn’t pray God just heal him, I prayed specifically. When we got through that first night I said “Lord I know and I know that you’re gonna do this.”

Sid: Well just out of curiosity,  since they said that he’d only live 3 hours, and you got by the first night. Did Doctor Maxwell or any of the other staff comment?

Clarice: Well he’d never seen anybody quite like me before.

Sid: (Laughing)

Clarice: Quite frankly, I had never seen anybody quite like me. He was kind of surprised. He said “Well, you know, he made it through the night.” I said “Yes he did and he’s gonna make it through tomorrow too.” He was having crises all the time; we were in a constant fight it was not an easy fight. He got through the first night, but the next day something else happened. He was having breakdown of different organs, so we would have to pray for that, and we would get over that hurtle. The whole church was surrounding us. Our pastors, the whole congregation, our praise team were supporting us and they were praying and believing for a miracle. One miracle after the other it was several miracles a day Sid.

Sid: Now did a lot of people on the staff at that hospital know what was going on?

Clarice:We were the spectacle; I’ll tell you I’ll be honest. They didn’t know what to expect out of me, and a lot of times Sid I would walk in the Intensive Care Unit where Ronnie was, and I could just stand there they’d be working on Ronnie. You know there were several times I just walked in and I couldn’t get in there was so many doctors, and technicians, and nurses taking care of him. I mean he was hooked up to so many machines; he had 24 tubes coming into him. His abdomen was wide open for 12 days, and they just had a mesh over him. It was unbelievable he had this huge halo on, but I didn’t see Ronnie as he was laying there, I saw him as a well man; I saw him as what he is today. I didn’t look at what was there; I called things as though as they are today, not as they were that day.

Sid: Clarice you said you didn’t have a manual. I think you have one now. I think this book were making available called “Fighting Death and Other Desperate Battles” is a manual that I’d imagine would have helped a lot if you had this.

Clarice: I tell you it would have, but everything was happening so fast. I mean Ronnie was crashing, he was having a lot of problems. We were having to pray and intercede 24 hours a day. I never left the hospital for 52 days. From the day he came till the day he left I left with him.

Sid: But there must have been many times, because no matter how strong you were, you were pretty strong there, very strong there beyond normal. No I take it back, you were normal. (Laughing) There must have been moments where you said “Am I going crazy, or he’s not going to live.”

Clarice: There was one time, and my friend Sandy she is our church secretary, she and my other friend Barbara Campbell were with me 24 hours a day. I had an interceder with me, they interceded day and night. A prayer warrior that we were fighting for Ronnie’s life no matter what came up, but there was one morning about 3:00, we had fought and fought. They had one Code Blue after the other, and you know I was like “Lord you’ve gotta help me.” I went to the restroom there and the enemy come at me. He said “You’ve got to plan your husband’s funeral.” Oh I just knew and I just started hitting the walls with my fists so loud that I was screaming that I had to get that into my spirit that I had to get what he was saying to me out, and to get what…

Sid: Were out of time.

SID: You know, this is real life. This is not fiction. This is not wearing a cloak and looking so good on the outside. These two people, Bob and Audrey Meisner, are being transparent with you to help you so they will make a difference in your life. So Audrey finds out from the affair that she had, she has a baby. The baby is biracial. There’s no way to cover this up. She goes to Bob. Bob, what did you think?

BOB: I wanted to escape. I wanted to get out. But the counsel that I got from my pastor was this. Because I wanted to sleep on that couch that very first night, I wanted to go to a hotel, I wanted to leave, and he says, no, you’re going to get right back into your marriage bed tonight. You will not spend night apart from each other, because we will not participate with the spirit of divorce. That’s hard, but you see, that’s my father’s heart. We resigned our positions from pastoring from the television ministry, and we went to a place of safety to get help for our family. God supernaturally provided for us in ways of work and in the ways of home, because I didn’t know if we would ever be happy again a day in our lives. But I knew that divorce was not the answer.

SID: But wait a second. You move from one country, Canada, to the United States. You have no job. How much  money did you have?

BOB: Not too much money.

SID: You have a pregnant wife, three children.

BOB: Yes.

SID: I mean, you are really like Abraham, going into new land.

BOB: I was willing to fight for my family. You see, when you want to step in the supernatural, you need to embrace the truth of God. You see, God has a preferred future for my life, for my marriage, for my wife and for my children, and divorce was not the answer. I needed the heart of God for my wife.

SID: Now what did you do with the child your wife was carrying, knowing the child was biracial. That must have been tough.

BOB: The biggest question that I had was this, would I believe to love this baby as my own. I know what it’s like to have a small child crawl up your leg and look into your eyes and say, “daddy”, and I knew what my heart was, and it was not your daddy. There was a transformation that was required by me. I knew that our love for each other, you know, our natural love had waned. It wasn’t sufficient to take us to where we needed to be. We needed God’s supernatural love. He transformed my heart by me knowing how much He loved me. We went through months of difficulty, good days, bad days, and some were better than others.

SID: Audrey, did you consider an abortion? I guess not, because you were raised as a Christian.

AUDREY: You know, Sid, there’s nothing I believe about abortion. When you’re that desperate, I was so desperate, Sid. I had been a Jesus girl, I had been in ministry. Now my kids are going to be messed up. I’m going to be disqualified. I’m going to be known for the most stupid and selfish thing I have ever done. And I remember exactly where I was in my kitchen when my made that phone call to the abortion clinic. And they said, you don’t even have to come in. We’ll just send you 10 pills in the mail, and just take one pill every week and your problem will be over. And I hung up the phone, and I said, “I don’t know if that’s the answer, but I can’t live through this. I can’t live through the whole idea. I’m so scared.” And I went to my knees and I said, “God, I won’t have an abortion, but I’m begging you, if you love me, you will give me a miscarriage, because I can’t carry this.” I think back now the reason I cried is because I’m so thankful that God did not answer that prayer, because what I was really praying for was God to evacuate me out of my circumstances. But God in His love said, “Audrey, I’m going to walk with you through every moment.”

SID: Bob, how in the world did you tell your three children? What were their ages? What happened.

BOB: 15, 13 and 10 years old. We just had a family meeting.

AUDREY: We were scared. We were so scared.

SID: I’m sure.

BOB: They walked in seeing their parents sitting on the floor crying. I immediately got up and I pulled a large queen-size blanket from the bed. With Audrey seated on the floor, I took this blanket and I covered her from head to foot. I knelt down beside her and I wrapped my arms around her, and I looked deep into my children’s eyes, and I said, “Kids, this is what God does when we make a mistake. He comes to us, He covers us, and He wraps His arms around us and He says, ‘I will never leave you, I will never forsake you.'” With Audrey covered and held in my arms, I looked into their eyes and said, “I love your mom. She’s so precious to us. I’m not going anywhere. We’re a family. We belong with each other.” And I just spoke as much security to them as I could. And with her covered and held in my arms, I said, “Kids, you’re going to have a baby brother.” Immediately, my older two began to cry, but my daughter, 13, she smiles as big anything. She looks as me and she says, “Daddy, we’re having a baby.” She sees my pain and cries, but she can’t contain her excitement. “Daddy, we’re having a baby.” I knew that we were going to be okay. And again, good months, bad months. But it was several months later that we found ourselves in the hospital. It was time for this little boy to be born.

SID: Now what did you name this little boy, Robert, what did you name him?

BOB: I gave him my name, Robert. His middle name is Theodore, and Theodore means “divine gift”.

SID: Is he gift?

BOB: He’s not accident. He’s not a mistake. He’s not the result of a sexual affair. He’s born out of the heart of God just as my other three children, and entrusted into me. He is the greatest gift, one of the greatest gifts I’ve ever received.

SID: Audrey, tell me about your son, Robert.

AUDREY: Oh he’s just brought so much joy to our home. And I think back, and all the lies the enemy told me about our kids being messed and that we would never laugh again or dream again, all those were because of just the power of what Jesus really can do. Our kids all love God. Our little Robert is now 11 years old, and he’s such a piece of work. He keeps us all laughing.

BOB: I struggled with would I be able to love this baby as my own. That was my biggest one. And my pastor knew that, and I questioned him many times. And one day he came to me, because I had other people bringing confusing points. Bob, you can’t love this baby. You’re doing so good. Give this baby up for adoption, all of these types of things. And one day, I was with him and I said, what do I do? And he says, “Bob, there’s a baby on your doorstep. What do you do? Will you participate with this fatherless generation or will you become a father to the fatherless? The rest is up to you. It’s time to grow up.”

SID: Hold that thought. But this is what I observed. I am overwhelmed. I am blown out of the water of the love I see between these two. I mean, it’s nothing of the transparency I see between these two. It’s about time for there to be transparency and reality. When we come back, I’m going to ask them to give you some keys as to why they have this and why you’re going to have this. Don’t go away.

SID: Hello. Sid Roth here with Jim Richards. And have you ever been to a doctor and the doctor says, “Well does your mother or father have cancer, have heart trouble? Oh they did?” And he writes this down. Basically you got in your genes. You either have good genes or bad genes. But even science is finding that’s not true any more. Jim, explain from your studies and from the study of the Bible, your studies in the medical area and your studies in the Bible what you have found out.

JIM: What we have discovered now, and the Bible taught this, but it used different language. What we’ve discovered is that the experiences that go all the way back to when we were in the womb and actually can be taken from generation to generation, and it’s not that they’re curses. I want to say that. We understand that cellular memory, once something stays in a family for up to three generations, by that fourth generation you’re kind of hardwired for that. Like if you live in poverty for three generations, from there on you come into the world wired and expect to believe in poverty. And likewise, as people have painful emotions, they have painful experience, the Bible calls that an offense. It’s a pain that we take inside that literally that goes into our body, into our cells. You know, the Book of Proverbs says it this way. It says, “The words of wicked are wicked words.” It says, “They go into us and lie in wait for our blood.” The Book of Jeremiah says that, “The heart is deceitful and desperately wicked.” Who could know it, in the Hebrew it actually says, “The heart is covered with footprints and makes it become chaotic.” See, we have these experiences in life.

SID: Is that why people have difficulty changing behavior, someone addicted to like over-eating or drugs, whichever.

JIM: Yeah, exactly. See, behavior modification doesn’t change anything on the inside. Behavior modification is where you just try harder. And one day you get tired of trying harder and you fail. Because you see, inwardly, literally in the cells of our body, and Paul said this. He said, “Inwardly I belie that to the law of God.” But he said, “I see it work in my members and in my mind.” That word “members” is literally parts. He said, there’s something in my body parts that literally wars against the law of God. And the law of God is the law of spirit in life. And what we know that is are cellular memories that literally become imprinted in the cells of our body. Now what makes this so interesting is since God spoke everything into existence, those words are literally frequencies. Every word that God spoke has a specific frequency. And we know now that my liver has a certain frequency, that if it doesn’t stay at that frequency it’s not healthy. My heart has a certain frequency. Every organ in my body has a certain frequency.

SID: Now what gets the organ out of frequency?

JIM: When I am hurt, when I hold an offense in, when I get a pain and I don’t send that pain away, and the words “send away” literally means to forgive. When I don’t send that away I hold on to it. That’s what Jesus said. He said, when somebody sins against you, he wasn’t talking about, I can forgive your sins in the place of God. He said, when somebody sins you can forgive, you can send it away, he says, or you can retain it. There’s two choices. You send it away or you hold on to it. If I hold on to hurt, that hurt literally becomes a vibration inside every cell of my body that causes my liver possibly to not really vibrate at that perfect frequency that God spoke into existence, or my heart. And so I’m trying to get healed, but I’m holding on to hurt and pain that’s causing me to stay sick.

SID: Okay. And behavior modification, the frequency stays the same. So no wonder people start going in a big circle. Behavior modification usually makes it worse, because in behavior modification you always fail. You always try hard, fail, get up and try hard, fail. And those failures actually cause you to start having negative feelings of guilt and they exacerbate the problem.

SID: I’m amazed how science is confirming what the Bible says.

JIM: Oh yes.

SID: But you were talking about someone that would have, say, a heart transplant or an organ transplant, and talk about, not just the emotions, even memories are in those cells. Tell me one.

JIM: There was a landmark case where a child received a heart. And the moment this child came out of surgery she began having dreams about being murdered, and it was so challenging that they tracked down who the donor was. And the donor came from a child that had been murdered. And in a landmark case they used the dreams of the child who had received this heart, because she was dreaming the memories of this child that had been killed, and they got a description of the man who murdered the child, found him and prosecuted him based on the memories that were stored in that heart.

SID: So how do you get your body wired the way God originally intended, so if you will, the frequencies of your body are just a perfect symphony. If you can’t do it through behavior modification how can you do it?

JIM: You know, you do it through what the Bible calls, put off, put on. I’ve got to put off or send away any feeling, any emotion, anything, a thought that’s going on inside me that is inconsistent with the promises of God and Jesus. You see, as long as I hold on to a thought of me, a belief of me, a feeling about me that’s inconsistent of who I am in Jesus, in Jesus, I’m righteous, I’m saved, I’m healed, I’m delivered, I’m prospered, I’m blessed, I’m protected. But if I hold on to anything that makes me feel or think less than who I am in Jesus, then that keeps those cells functioning in ways that are inconsistent from the way God made me.

SID: Okay. You say put off. But what do you put on?

JIM: You put on who you are in Jesus. And that’s the key thing. You know, I’ll give you a great example. You know, I had a situation where I knew I was getting pneumonia. I had pneumonia several times. I knew I was getting pneumonia. I was having some emotions that I was struggling with. I’ll tell you, I got down, I relaxed. I got in contact with God. And as sincerely as I could with God I prayed something very similar, what we call the transformation prayer. God searched my heart. I want to see it in me, show me the root of this. I want to deal with the root of this to go to the very core of my being. And basically, I identified this emotion I was feeling and I said, “I send you away in the name of Jesus. You’re not from God. I don’t want you.” And it left.

SID: Okay. I want to have, the disease left?

JIM: First, the emotion left and the moment peace came then I knew I could deal with the disease.

SID: Okay. Here’s what I want Jim to do. I’m going to be transparent. I’m going to talk about some feelings I have that I wish I didn’t have and I want him to pray for me. But here’s what’s going to happen. You’re going to learn how to do it. Don’t go away. Be right back.

SID: Hello. Sid Roth here. Welcome to my world where it’s naturally supernatural. I have been so looking forward to this particular interview because I’m convinced that this is the missing link that has been blocking you walking in the supernatural of every promise that God has. And I want you to be normal. Now my guest, Jim Richards, has spent 35 years studying health and studying the Bible. He has three earned doctorate degrees and he has developed a way of praying to make you so free that you can believe God with all of your heart, and that is the reason why God is not answering a lot of your prayers. You’re not believing God with all of your heart. There’s some blockage, if you will. We’re going to get rid of that blockage, Jim Richards. Now Jim, I look at you and it’s hard to believe the background that you came from. Your father was violent. Your stepfather then became violent and you had, I hope you don’t get upset with me saying this, you had a crazy grandmother that you lived with. How did you even survive? Tell me the most violent thing that happened to you.

JIM: You know, the most violent thing that my father did was when we were children tried to burn us all alive while he was in a drunken rage. The most violent thing my stepfather ever did was broke into the bedroom and stabbed me in my sleep really intending to murder me, and I managed to narrowly escape with my life.

SID: You have to believe today that if it wasn’t for God you wouldn’t be sitting here right now.

JIM: Oh yeah. And not only that, if it were not for applying these principles that we share, I would be bitter, angry, enraged, full of all kinds of complications in life. But it’s really, I am free from all that. I am free from the power of all of that by applying these principles.

SID: Okay. You’re in a band and the drummer’s cousin is one of your dealers for drugs.

JIM: Right.

SID: But he tells you a story that is amazing. Tell me about it.

JIM: Right. He was actually enraged because our drug supplier in Atlanta had gotten saved.

SID: I could imagine that would be a reason.

JIM: And that was a party time. That’s how we made money. So he’s telling me, he’s cussing, he’s ranting and raving. He says, “Ernie’s got the blanking religion. He’s blanking talking about Jesus.” So he’s ranting and raving, and cussing. But what was really interesting is through this process it was the first time in my life that I ever actually heard the Gospel. Now I had gone to church. I used to go to churches, knock on the office door. I’d go because they had hair out to here and I’d be barefoot and no shirt on, eyes red. I was crazy and it would scare them, and I understand that.

SID: You took after your crazy grandmother.

JIM: That’s right. But I would go in and just say, “Listen, my name is Jim Richards. I’m a drug dealer, I’m a musician, I’m dying. I got to find God.” And never had one single minister ever tell me how to get saved. I had them tell me I was going to Hell and on the other end of the spectrum I had them say, don’t worry, nobody is going to Hell.

SID: So this musician that’s upset because his drug dealer has now become a Christian tells you about it, and in mocking, that’s what he was doing, in mocking it, you end up getting the information you needed.

JIM: You know, the key thing he said that captured my heart, he said, “Ernie told me if you weren’t blank, blank, for God, he’s blank, blank against God.” Man, when I got out of that car, for the first time in my life I knew there is no neutral ground. And if I’m not for God I’m against Him, and I never knew I was against God. And I’ll tell you, I prayed. I was 21 years old. I was born with a congenital kidney disease. By this time I had been on drugs since I was in my mid-teens because I was a runaway at 14. I had sores all over me. My hair was falling out. Every morning I woke up with blood coming out my nose on my pillow. I was having seizures. I mean, you just go down the list of all these medical problems that I had.

SID: From your beatings you had those.

JIM: Beatings, substance. I had overdosed on drugs a few times and nearly died from that. I’m telling you, I just prayed. I didn’t even know what to say. But I said, “God, here’s the deal.” That’s exactly what I said. I said, “Here’s the deal. I don’t understand this, but this has got something to do with Jesus dying for me and I don’t know what means, but,” I said, “here’s the deal. If you’ll have me I will give you my life.” I said, “But there’s two things. Number one, I’m not going to believe anything anybody says about you unless I see it in a Bible for myself. So I need a Bible.” Because I had heard all kinds of crazy things about God. And I said, “Number two, I am not going to play church. This has got to be the real deal. I don’t mind giving you my life, but I’m not going to play any games.” And you know, I had a revelation of the love of God. And all I know is I entered into what seemed like eternity. I had a revelation of the love of God, and what was really only seconds seemed like months. I was a different man and that was it. I was off drugs.

SID: Okay. You get set free. But now you’re 28 and you’re dying of kidney disease. What did you do about it?

JIM: I’m serving God. I’m walking along. Everything is doing great. I’m succeeding at life, succeeding at ministry. I’m 28 years old. I get up one morning with pain in my side. They take me to the hospital and they rush me from one hospital to another hospital for emergency surgery. And the radiologist told a nurse that was in the church I was pasturing, and said, “We have never seen anybody with kidneys this bad that was still alive.” My kidneys had actually reduced down to a third of the size of normal. I had tumors. I had a renal system, both kidneys, several tumors, several cysts. And so I began this process that took four and a half years to walk out of. I’d love to say I just prayed one prayer. See, here’s the thing. Every aspect of what I shared gets down to this. We’ve got to persuade our heart to believe the truth, because until we believe the truth in our heart it’s just information. And you know, when you got pain in your body or when you got bills that you can’t pay then you got all of this evidence out here that says the promises of God are not yours. And contrary to popular belief, the Bible says, you’re going to believe what you have the evidence to believe because it says, “Faith is the substance of things hoped for, evidence of things not seen.”

SID: When we come back Jim has found there are trapped feelings. Actually science is finally, because of his studies for medicine in the Bible, science is finally catching up with the Bible. There are trapped emotions, trapped feelings. Some may even be generational. But when you can get rid of them you can begin to believe God with all of your heart. What is trapped in your body? Don’t go away. We’re going to find out.

Sid:  We are getting ready Mishpochah to be activated in the glory cloud; it’s a new day, it’s a new season.  And you know the wineskin we have that we call church it just can’t contain the glory that’s coming on planet earth.  I have never seen so many miracles in my life. I have to tell you I’m speaking to Ryan Wyatt and I’m provoked to jealousy in this young man; this is normal for him to see all of these miracles that are occurring.  Ryan, take me back to the first trance that you ever had.

Ryan:  Yeah this trance Sid speaks a message and I’ll tell you the message is this and I’ll tell you the encounter.  So many people have been preached the gospel that says to them “Get your bus ticket to heaven.”  And many of you that are listening right now, maybe that’s the gospel you heard, that’s all you heard “Get your bus ticket to heaven and just live a good life, and one day when Jesus comes back in the rapture you’ll be taken to heaven.”

Sid:  And also attend the church where the major emphasis is fellowship and food.

Ryan:  And that’s right, be faithful with your tithe, be faithful with your offering and all of these kind of things, and some of them are very noble things Sid. That is only a fraction of the gospel. It’s kind of like getting your ticket to the theme park, but going into the foyer area of the theme park area and hanging around, but never getting on the ride.  And you know God has destined us to live a life on earth as it is in heaven.  And it’s for us now, it’s not for when we die and go to heaven. We have an opportunity to impact the earth with heaven now.  In this encounter was the first trance I ever had.  For those of you listening a trance is not actually an experience, a trance is a state of being, you know when Peter was in a trance he saw a vision.  So a trance is like a Holy Spirit anesthetic, like when you got to the dentist they numb your mouth so that they can go in and do work.  A trance is a state of being where God numbs you in a sense so that He can give you a vision.   And in this encounter I was taken to a garden to a massive garden, and I was at the edge of this garden.  I was laying in this bed of roses and the wind was whipping around as the Holy Spirit came and it was a time of intimacy. Many people even in the charismatic stream they’ve touched that to some degree that level of intimacy, and it was awesome I loved it.  But as I was laying there I began to look outside the garden and it was full of pestilence and drought and disease and there was bombs hitting, buildings; there was bombed out buildings that people we dying and it was just, you know the world was just being devastated.  And the Lord spoke to me and He said I have a greater purpose for you it’s time to go deeper.  And right now in the body of Christ He’s saying the same, it maybe some of you are in a place where you have a day to day lifestyle of intimacy with God, but even then God is saying “It’s time to go deeper.”  And so the Lord spoke to me and said, “Get up and go into the center of the garden.”  And so I remember stepping into the center of the garden and there was a big pool of water. I got into this pool of water and I went beyond the realm of intimacy into a place of Divine union where the nature of God and my nature were becoming one, the water was just seeping into me, soaking into me, the glory was just soaking in.  And I began to see people from outside in the draught, they began to come into the garden. As they would step into the waters there bodies would be healed, bones were popping back into place and deaf ears were opening and new eyeballs were coming.  And it was just this creative realm of heaven and the Lord suddenly spoke to me and He said, “Now Ryan it’s time to take it out.”  And as I began to step outside of the garden, this is so powerful Sid, is that in the intimacy realm of God, in the glory realm of God.  You then become a carrier of that glory and it is our destiny to carry that glory on the earth just as Adam did before the fall.  And as I stepped out into the desert land everywhere I would step that would turn into a pool of water just like in the garden.  When I would walk into bombed out buildings, vegetation would begin to grow; when I would encounter people with disease, and broken, and wounded, and emotionally fractured they would begin to be healed, and the bones would pop into place.  Just as if they had walked into the garden.  And God has a destiny, and a calling, and a mission, and a purpose on the body of Christ to be that living habitation of God on the earth. When the people of the world interact with us they experience on earth as it is in heaven.

Sid:  Ryan, let’s whet our appetite because you’re seeing this you’re not talking theory you’re talking what you are seeing with your eyes.  For instance you were in Detroit and tell me about the person with the steel rod.

Ryan:  Oh, steel rods, there was a person with two steel rods in their legs.  They had been in a serious car accident and there leg bones were literally taken out, and steel rods were put in place.  They had no more knees, they could not bend their knees at all just solid steel legs, steel in their hips, steel in their feet and in a moment in an atmosphere of the glory the metal completely disappeared.  And I said to them, do something you could never do before and they tried to bend their legs and for the first time in so many years they had brand new knees, they had  brand new leg bones, all the metal was gone they bent their knees perfectly.

Sid:  Now with a steel rod in their knee how does someone bend their knee?

Ryan:  God supernaturally is removing metal Sid, it is an incredible thing; removing metal and putting the bone, and the cartilage, and the tissue back into place.

Sid:  Well, we have some people listening to us that are so hungry for God and I know that God has used you to activate people for a release of the fire of God, the glory of God, the miracle mantle.  Would you pray for people now?

Ryan:  For those of you that are listening right now I pray I pray that as you have heard me speaking I pray that you have become so jealous for God.  My hearts cry is that this would drive you to jealousy that you be so hungry because I want to tell you right now, the Holy Spirit is jealous for you.  And I just want to pray over you the tangible glory of God to come upon you right now where you are and to begin to activate.  I pray a fire would burn in your bones.  Father right now in the name of Jesus Christ for those that are listening over the radio right now I pray for your tangible glory to come right now even as I just feel it right now moving through the radio airwaves right now in the name of Jesus. Just like that glory cloud overshadowed Mary and there was a transaction that took place something of heaven was deposited in her life.  Right now I speak the release of the realm of heaven onto your spirit, your soul, your body an activation of the fire of God.  I pray that the word of the Lord would begin to rise up from within you, and in fact right now I speak to your spirit man.  Some of you I sense right now your spirit man has been cluttered; your spirit man has been closed up; that place within you where that river of God is flowing at all times it has been cluttered; the well has been stopped.  And right now I speak to the spirit man of the people that are listening and I say “Come alive in the name of Jesus.”  I command that well to be unstopped in the name of Jesus Christ, I command that river to be unstopped and to flow freely your spirit man being activated right now in the name of Jesus.  I speak explosion of God in your spirit man like you have never felt before as the tangible electricity is just touching you right now and beginning to heal you, beginning to activate the fire of God in you right now in Jesus name.

Sid:  And there’s someone who has either pain in their hip, or may even need hip replacement in Jesus name you are healed.  And there’s someone else who’s back you have back pain, it’s gone, test it you’ll see. If you don’t test it right now you will miss the moment of your visitation.  Wherever you are to pull over to the side of the road or bend over right now, but there’s a mighty presence of God’s healing miracle anointing in hips right now in Jesus name.  Has God shown you anything else Ryan?

Ryan:  There’s someone with fibromyalgia you have chronic pain in your body, fibromyalgia all throughout your body I rebuke it right now, I command that fibromyalgia to go in the name of Jesus.  There’s also someone else you need a creative miracle in your eyes.  Right now I speak that creative miracle in your eyes right now in the name of Jesus.  There’s another person, I see the Lord flushing your blood system, you have a disease in your blood and I see the Holy Spirit coming right now like a waterfall, and flushing through your blood system right now.  You’re going to feel a vibration of heaven going right through your body and you need to go to the doctors and get your blood tested again because I believe you are going to be supernaturally healed in Jesus name.

Sid:  Ryan we’re making available this week your four CD teaching series called “How to Bring Heaven to Earth in Your Life,” not in someone else’s life, in your life.  What would be accomplished when someone sits under this teaching; what is happening to people that sit under this teaching?

Ryan:  It’s going to stir a hunger in them but it’s also going to begin to give them some keys of how to enter into that into that lifestyle.  We’ve had many people that have listened to this series and have begun to have encounters themselves where before they never had them.  We’ve had others that have been physically healed as they’ve listened because just like when Jesus spoke He said, “My words are Spirit and life.”  The Spirit and life of Jesus is tangible on those CD’s, many people have received their miracle listening.