Sid Roth

Sid: Sid Roth with Something More and I’m here with Shane Wall on some of the prophecies you’ve had.  According to my notes you prophesied to an infant that he would be a genius and now he’s age 10 get this and has a full scholarship that has to blow you out of the water.

Shane: It really did.

Sid: Tell me about that.

Shane: I was managing an artist a gospel artist and he sang that Saturday night and I preached that Sunday morning.  And so the pastor of the church asked me to pray for their brand new infant baby boy their grandson. So I held the baby and I was just praying and then the Holy Spirit started speaking and I said “The Lord said that this child is a genius and will be a genius.” And so I prayed accordingly and handed the baby back and I through Facebook the grandfather he sent me the article the whole 9 yards said “Do you remember my grandson you prayed for him and you said that he would be a genius, there is a university he is so smart there is a university that says ‘Whenever you graduate high school if you choose to come to us you will get a full ride, a full scholarship if you choose us’” at age 10.

Sid: Shane why does there appear to be such a huge emphasis on understanding in the Bible I mean what 300 times?

Shane: Exactly.

Sid: That is if God says it once that should be enough.

Shane: (Laughing) It’s because and of course we mentioned Proverbs 4:7 “In all thy getting get understanding.”  Because understanding Sid is a super power all success is attained by understanding. Success in marriage, success in your workplace, success in your ministry, all success is attained by understanding. I usually tell people I want you to just think of somebody just think of anybody you consider successful. So I waited a couple of seconds and I say “I guarantee whoever you’re thinking about they are successful simply because of what they understand.” And everybody’s eyes get larger like “Oh my goodness they were thinking about maybe a doctor or a singer, a politician maybe, or some athlete of some actor, actress because of what they understand that is what that brings success. When you go to look for a job let’s say on an employment site you’ll see the title of the job everybody wants a title, they went the money, they want the fame, the fortune all of that but they’re missing something. So when you go on the site you see the title you see the salary you see all of the benefits you’d love it. But what is under that title? The job description the understanding. So if you get the understanding you can get the Title, you can get the benefits, you can get the salary. What am I saying? When you get understanding, understanding attracts success.

Sid: That’s what I was going to ask you “When we demonstrate God’s understanding we become a magnet for success.”

Shane: A magnet for success, everybody who is successful is because of something they understood first. If you didn’t put forth your football abilities you would not have attracted success. If you would not have the understanding for singing high notes very clearly you would not have attracted the success to your life whatever it is that you understand and understand well always attracts everything you ever need.  So get the…that is why it’s so important God puts so much emphasis on it because when you get understanding everything else it’s almost like saying “Everything you’re asking me for get understanding,  understanding already has it it’s a package deal.”  I mean when you get understanding you get the success.

Sid: You know what I’m hearing you say “The most people put God in a box of their logic and their formula and when God doesn’t conform to their formula they say “I guess God doesn’t love me.”

Shane: (Laughing) and they missing it you’re right God does love you He gave You His word.  When you give somebody your word on it you’re going to have to back it up and of course God’s word….and the Holy Spirit said to me “God is only responsible for one thing out of everything we hear and say He’s only responsible for one thing His word. If He doesn’t say it He’s not responsible for it.” So when we get God’s word on it, when we get that understanding everything else we want, everything we’re asking Him for we can get it through the understanding that He’s already given us that we put on the shelf “Oh this is just understanding now I’m waiting for the goodies, now I’m waiting for the blessings,” it’s all in the understanding every bit of it.

Sid: You call this “God’s ultimate secret to success in every area of your life.”

Shane: Every area of your life there is nothing else on planet earth or in any hemisphere or stratosphere that you can say “God uses this more than anything else to bring success it’s His ultimate secret to success.” I saw secret as you said at the beginning at the program you said “Never heard a message on understanding.”

Sid: Wow.

Shane: I friend of mine said I’ve been in 1000’s of services, I’ve been in over 60 counties with different church services I’ve never heard a message on understanding it’s a secret. Someone said “I think God just saved this message for you Shane I just think He just did.” And it’s a secret because everything we’ve gotten it was an understanding this said everything we get is from understanding. The clothes that we wear, the water that we drink everything comes out of understanding.  There has to be an understanding if there is to be success and we can get understanding because God has all of it and it’s freely given.  And the word of God Sid doesn’t even say “To ask.” Just get it as a matter of fact in the Psalms the Psalmist says “Give me understanding.”  It’s almost like commanding God “Give me understanding that I would keep your law. Yeah I shall observe it.  Give me understanding and I will keep Thy law, yeah I shall observe it with my whole heart.”  In other words, what I need is Your understanding I can’t keep your law without understanding, I cannot do what you call me to do without understanding.  You know that I know that I have a prophetic gift in me but I don’t understand how to use it, get understanding.

Sid: Okay clarify again what is the difference between wisdom and understanding.

Shane: Okay wisdom is information.  Of course knowledge is getting that information.  Wisdom is I have this information and I have some experience to go along with it. But understanding is revealed insight. God reveals the insight that we need for a particular situation for our gifting.  He reveals the insight that we need to receive and He wants us act on the information that He’s given to us by the knowledge. And then we have the experience but we don’t have that insight, we do not have the insight so we ask God for the understanding.

Sid: Alright I’m going to demonstrate this right now and then I’m going to draw on…make a demand on the anointing on you.

Shane: Praise God.

Sid: To demonstrate right now because I’ve heard this several times, there are people watching right now, or listening to us right at this moment and you have a pain in your neck. If you’ll just bend you’ll bend right out of that pain. There are also some people with problems in your jaw and in your teeth and God wants to heal you right this moment.  And problems with your fingers when you bend you have no problems anymore in…use His Hebrew name in Yeshua’s name in Jesus name.

Shane: Hallelujah.

Sid: What’s God showing you?

Shane: The Lord is saying to me that there is someone who is watching right now and as a matter of fact when Sid was giving those words of knowledge you put your hand it’s a lady you put your hand on your heart and you began to believe God…that’s right you began to believe God to touch you at that moment He saw you precious lady He saw you. And the Lord not only touched you but He has healed you.  As a matter of fact you’ll know it’s you by what I said but you’ve also been having an upset stomach no matter what you’ve been eating you’ve been having an upset stomach.  That goes in Yeshua’s name it is gone right this very moment just by the power of God.

Sid: You told me that God longs for us to have this understanding more than we even want it.

Shane: Exactly He does.

Sid: I mean how can we build His kingdom on earth if we’re doing it as Frank Sinatra said “Our way.”

Shane: Exactly building it our way we cannot and that’s the frustration in the soul of man. I know what God has for me. I know I’m supposed to be somebody but I don’t know how to get there. “Lord show me how to get there, No I’m going to give you the understanding of who you are once you know who you are then as I said earlier you can act on the revealed insight that God gives you through understanding. “Give me understanding.” And that’s exactly how we can get it from God “Father give me understanding” as you just said.  He wants us to have it much much much more than we want to so we say “God give me understanding for this situation.”  He has to because He commanded us to get it; so we go to Him for it He has to give it to us.  And it doesn’t force Him it is His joy.  Jesus said “Little children it is the Father’s pleasure to give you the Kingdom.” God wants us to have the understanding.

Sid: Let me ask you a very sensitive area has God given you any understanding about money?

Shane: Yes He has.  You know there was one point in time I said something to God I said “Lord I need money.” And He spoke back to me the Holy Spirit said “You don’t need money money needs you.” I said “Whoa!” And then He showed me…

Sid: Maybe that’s what I’m thinking you said it I’m thinking it.

Shane: Exactly I said “Whoa!” And I work at a credit union so I’ve seen stacks and stacks of cash.  So He said to me “Take 1 million dollars put it on a table what could that money do?” I said “Nothing.”  “Exactly you don’t need money money needs you.”

Sid: Hm.

Shane: So don’t go to God and say “I need money.” No money needs you to spend it, to invest it, to donate it.  Money needs you that’s the way God sees money so you have to have the understanding about money that God has.  Then when you go talk to Him about it concerning the understanding that He has about money then you can receive.  I received a miracle because of that.

Sid: What was the miracle?

Shane:  I was preaching and I told the saints I was talking about a faith. I said “You know I have a faith I’m going through something now this is early in my pastoral ministry and we had very few members. So I knew that none of them could even give me what I needed so I felt very comfortable in just sharing how behind I was on my mortgage.  And I didn’t give the amount but I said “I’m behind and I told the Lord yesterday “Father I don’t want this blessing not one second before you give it to me I don’t want to be out of sync with Your desire at all.”

Sid: Everything is timing in the kingdom.

Shane: Yes.

Sid: If you look at the feasts in the Bible it’s timing and it’s the whole first coming of the Messiah is shown to us, the whole return of the Messiah to earth in the Biblical feasts. So God set up this whole earth.  In fact eternity has no time.

Shane: Exactly.

Sid: But here we are stuck with something called time.  Okay so now you’re behind in your mortgage what happened?

Shane: Then when I told the saints I said “Listen I’m behind but I’m believing God I told Him I don’t want it 1 second before that He wants to give it to me so not a problem.  There was a guy who visited our Assembly and he asked if he could meet with me” I said “Okay.” And he’d been visiting quite awhile so I thought he now wanted to join but just wanted to talk to me about becoming a member. So he said “Can I come to your home?” And I was like “Okay.” And he did came to my house and he said “Well I heard you say that you were behind in your mortgage do you mind sharing with me the amount?” And so I said “Okay, I said its $5,000.”  He said “Whoa!” And I said “I know thank you for your concern but it is quite a bit.”  He said “Pastor Wall that is not why I said whoa, I said whoa because when you said that I went and I prayed and I asked God to bless you and God said to me “Why are you asking Me to bless him when you have the $5,000 that you can give him.”

Sid: (Laughing)

Shane: He said “I said whoa because God has never given me such specifics in prayer before.” So he went and literally brought 5,000 cash dollars to me I’ve never had that happen in my life.

Sid: As you explained it it was not…and you know a lot of ministers manipulate.

Shane: You’re right.

Sid: They don’t ask God let’s face it they manipulate that wasn’t in your heart.

Shane: Not at all.

Sid: You were just explaining.

Shane: Yeah that’s all that I was doing this man I didn’t even know him and he just came in just regular clothing.  I wasn’t trying to make a plea God spoke to him.  And that was the proof that that was not manipulation or God would not have spoken to him and given him the specifics.  He said “That’s exactly what God said.”  So he left my house and he called and said “Can I come back?” And in a small brown paper bag he brought it.  And so I kind of questioned him I said “You just have cash laying around on a Saturday?  He said “This is just what I do my mom did it we just like to keep our money with us.” And we said “Okay, hey praise God glory to God for it.” And that came for me saying to the Lord “I don’t want it one second before You give it me you’re understanding is what I’m resting on.” Simple just that simple.

Sid: …You know you told me when I talked to you on the phone yesterday that God had shown you something our ministry what did He show you?

Shane: The Lord said concerning “Messianic Vision” that He is expanding, He is opening doors.  It’s because the reason why people watch and will be watching “Something More” and listening to the Podcast and the radio and “It’s Supernatural” is because you are used by God to give people the understanding that they need to get.  That is why they constantly watch, they constantly listen because they’re getting understanding.

Sid: So you said “Understanding attracts success.

Shane: Success.

Sid: And that’s why this ministry is…

Shane: Sucessful.

Sid: It’s amazing.

Shane: It’s going to grow.

Sid: Do you know that we don’t owe any one anything.

Shane: Glory to God (Laughing).

Sid: And you haven’t had a walk through our facility its state of the art.

Shane: Wow.

Sid: That means that after the expenses, the TV time and things like that…

Shane: Yes.

Sid: Everything is poured into reaching Jewish people with the gospel.

Shane: That is remarkable you have a heart. That is the other thing the Lord told me “Sid has a heart, he has My heart.  He wants the understanding for himself so he seeks it, he gets it and he gives it to others.”

Sid: You must be talking from God because you’re reading my mail.

Shane: (Laughing)

Sid: You see I am not just trying to do this for you I do this for every guest I try to understand what they’re doing so that I can do the same that their doing.

Shane: Of course.

Sid: And guess what I’ve been doing it and guess what many of you have been doing it.

Shane: Amen (Laughing) and they are getting the success because they’re getting the understanding. So glory be to God for Messianic Vision for releasing the understanding that people need to get.  I shudder to think what would be happening in the world if there was no Messianic Vision. If you did not seek God for the Supernatural, if you did not reach out to those who God is using and say “Come teach me and let’s teach the world so that they can get the understanding; and when they get it they will be successful.” They have been praying for people, nothing has been happening, they’ve been trying to operate in the gifts, nothing has been happening but let’s give them the understanding. And with all their getting they get the understanding, success is immediately attracted to the understanding because God revealed it. And whatever God reveals He will always back it up.

Sid: We want everyone everywhere to fulfill their destiny in God. That’s why I’m so excited about this week my guest by way of telephone in his office in Baltimore, Maryland is John Caver. And God has commissioned John to put together archives of the greatest men and women of God that have moved in the miraculous power because there’s a generation, that’s what the Lord told him; there’s a generation that is alive today that knows nothing about the miracle working power of God. And you know how did Jesus train people? They became disciples, learners they just studied Him they followed Him they, they watched Him observed Him.  But who can we watch and observe to learn about these great miracle ministries and so that’s why John Carver has put this together…Now John on yesterday’s broadcast we promised to… I asked you why there aren’t people today walking at this level of anointing and this level of power? And you said “Well there’s a price to pay.” What is the price that has to be paid?

John: Well in my evaluation from studying and looking around the price is simply dying to ourselves. What would mean dying to me would not mean dying to you.  And now I know that sounds religious but let me back up again where it says in Romans it says to be “Now conformed to this world” and that means selfishness. And a lot of people just do not know how to wait on God they love the exposure and they love ministering under the anointing and the power of God but that’s only a small part of what it is to actually minister that way in the anointing and the power.  Many times a lot of ministers get wrapped up in the gifts and the anointing and the power and the exposure and the success and they fail to continue walking in their dedication that they once had with God.

Sid: So therefore they don’t really fulfill the great call they had.

John: That’s correct, that’s correct. Not long ago I did an interview with Freda Lindsey, Miss Freda Lindsey, of Christ for the nations.  And without me actually asking her this that’s what I wanted to ask her is “Why these men didn’t continue in the power and the anointing that they first started out in?”  And the answer came was this was that “They never continued doing what they did there was a price to pay to get there and then once you get there you have to keep paying that price.”

Sid: Give me some examples of what the price was to get there.

John: Well for one thing it’s called in AA Allen his book called “The Price of God’s Miracle Working Power.” In that book he deals with 11 things that God dealt with him about. Now if it be me there might be some other things that God would deal about that wouldn’t be with AA Allen.  For one of the things that let us say he used pride for one of them.

• Pride of place
• Pride of race
• Pride of position in the church and so on.

And so it’s called character imperfections. And what happens is if you don’t get control over self and God begins to lose you then you become a casualty.  And we’ve seen people who’ve had success in the last couple of decades who become causalities because of the power of the success that they’ve gotten.

Sid: And how about all of the ones that unfortunately end up backsliding.

John: That’s what I’m talking about.  It’s incredible the amount of…when…the church needs to learn to walk in that anointing that God calls them into and many times we don’t walk in the anointing that God’s calls us.  It’s like King Uzziah he wasn’t satisfied being a king he had to be part of the priesthood and offer the sacrifice. The Lord caused him to have leprosy and leprosy spiritually is an outcast. So therefore we’ve got a lot of outcast ministries today and Christians because they’re not walking in the anointing that God called them to walk in and they won’t continue to pay the price. Now AA Allen in that book “The Price of God’s Miracle Working Power” God said that these are the things that are standing between Me and you and the miracles.  Allen was praying “How come I don’t have the miracles in my ministry? And God said “These are the 11 things or 13 things that are standing between you and the power.  And there’s a lot of things and it’s not dos and don’ts it’s not in clothesline preaching type thing but it’s in our walk and our consecration to Christ and what He’s called us to do. One of the most important things that you can find out is what God… once you’re saved what He has called you for. And one of the things that I tell people all the time especially I get calls probably a week doesn’t go by that I get calls from all over the world literally and some of them are asking a question “Well how do I get there?” Well the first thing you’ve got to know is what God called you for. There’s no sense in my studying for me to be a dentist when God’s called me to be a lawyer.  And getting in your proper place in the body of Christ is the most important thing that you can do. Allen was running from it, Branham was running from it, Coe was so eager that it was just like he’s another story all together.

Sid: You know we didn’t touch much on him tell us a little bit about Jack Coe.

John: Well during World War II Jack Coe was…he joined the Army and he wanted to win souls. So he was just so zealous for God that he just went from place to place from one camp to the next camp because they didn’t know what to do with the guy.  And I mean when you’ve got somebody that’s like a boiling pot of water that’s just bubbling over and that’s what it means in the Old Testament. A prophet is one who bubbles over with the anointing. Well he was bubbling with so much of God’s grace and power that the army system didn’t know what to do with him.  Unlike the other 2 men that I mentioned Braham and Allen they literally struggled religiously they had comfort zones and I think that’s what’s wrong with America we’re comfortable and we don’t want to sacrifice in order to do what God wants us to do. Reproach is one of them you got to figure Braham was a Baptist, Allen was an Assembly of God and where God were taking them they were laughing at some of the things that were taking place in that day.  So were scorning it Allen scorned it and he said “This is not God.” And he had already had the vision and so that shows the unbelief that was in his heart. Each person is an individual has their own indigenous call, work that they’ve got to do and God deals with each person along these lines.  Where here you got Coe he was just crazy he went after it with such an intensity that the considered him mad…

Sid: Give me an example.

John: Well I knew his wife she’s passed away about a year or so ago and from my dealings with her I did several interviews with her. He just had the kind of…if God told him to do something it didn’t make any difference who was against it you know if the whole United States would have rose up and said “Jack Coe you’re not going to put a tent up here,” he put it up any way. He just…he just knew…

Sid: Tenacity.

John: Yeah he had tenacity I guess that’s a pretty strong word.  He had dangerous faith that’s a good word dangerous. And he was a dangerous (Laughing) to the powers of darkness it didn’t make any difference to him.  And I’ve viewed over 12 hours of films of Jack Coe.

Sid: Is there one miracle that comes to mind of the miracles you saw on these films?

John: Jack Coe reached up and prayed for a woman who had cancer on her face and he picked it off her face.

Sid: That takes chutzpah, courage.

John: Man I tell you that takes faith and I’ve seen tumors disappear under his arms on film it’s on this video he just had incredible faith! I don’t know how to explain to you except it was out of the ordinary, I mean it’s not just every day walk in faith.

Sid: Where did fasting fit in with these men?

John: Well it was obvious that Jack Coe didn’t fast very much.  (Laughing)

Sid: (Laughing) Well some people thought that fast they throw their metabolism off and that’s why they’re so fat.

John:  Coe didn’t believe in it…now that’s only here say his son told me that he said…

Sid: Well he’s a man after my own heart…oh I’m just teasing (Laughing.)

John: Well when the guys fast I’m going to eat and enjoy my life.  But he was a man that just enjoyed meals. Now my brother literally stayed at AA Allen’s house while he and his wife were waiting for his apartment to open up for him there at Miracle Valley when he worked for Allen. And Allen would fast, Allen was a man who fasted all the time and he would not only fast but he would put meals for ministers that came in from all over the world.

Sid: When he would fast would it be all food and just water or.

John: He’s a coffee drinker from what I understand and yeah…I don’t…he drank a lot of coffee and that’s through several different people who told me that it was very strong coffee so…

Sid: How long would he fast?

John: Well he would go for weeks at a time.

Sid: And he really believed that that would get him closer to the Lord?

John: No two ways about it yeah, no two ways about it Allen was a man who consecrated his life to God and consequently he paid a price for it.  I mean you just don’t…he was totally wore out most folks don’t understand that about that man but he was totally wore out. You figure from 1950 to 1970 twenty solid years every month he had that tent in a major metropolitan city every month. And then in between he had meetings in auditoriums that’s 12 times a year. And some of the earlier meetings would go for 12 weeks and Allen would be up early in the morning doing interviews with people. He would be there and he had 3 services a day and he would be in every service plus the one of his own at night.

Sid: So Allen just listening to what you’re saying didn’t have a whole lot of time for studying the Bible and praying.

John: Oh no he prayed, he was a praying man hearing…I interviewed his tent manager his name was Jimmy and different people who worked for him and they would hear him 3 and 4 in the morning. Now I can’t speak for other people but when I get done with service at night I can’t sleep either so I know what it is to go to 1, 2 or 3 in the morning.

Sid: Did these people pray mostly in tongues or do you not know?

John: They prayed with groaning and utterances that they themselves didn’t even understand and I’ve been around folks like that and I understand that. I don’t know if…

Sid: It was almost like a travailing the Spirit.

John: It’s like a travailing and most of that kind of ministry is a travailing it really is because you’re battling the forces of darkness.

Sid: I’m sorry John we’re out of time we’ll pick up right here on tomorrow’s broadcast.

SID: I tell you what, I need a miracle. This atmosphere of Heaven affects everything in your life, everything. If you can operate in that atmosphere, for instance, tell me about how the atmosphere Heaven affects ideas.

JOSHUA: We were in Singapore several years ago and I saw God releasing packages upon people, giving gifts. And they were coming down in just little tiny presents upon people. And in that atmosphere I asked people to lift up their hands and just receive what God was doing. Well there was a businessman from California who owned a bakery and he began to receive these gifts from Heaven. And as he was receiving them, God began to give him a download, literally a blueprint for the plan that he needed to follow in his business in order to do a gourmet line of pastries, gave him the whole detail how to roll it how, how to make it functional, and God blessed it. And I ended up getting pastries on my doorstop for quite a while after that because God blessed him such a wonderful way.

SID: But it is amazing when you do things God’s way how you prosper. For instance, did you know you could be in the atmosphere of Heaven for evangelism. Joshua and I both had good friends that are in Heaven now, the Happy Hunters. And I never knew this, but they had a visitation from an angel telling people…

JOSHUA: Right.

SID: To teach people the simplest, easy way, easiest way, I personally had ever seen for evangelism. Tell me what this angel instructed them.

JOSHUA: This angel came to Francis as she was sitting in a restaurant, and said, “Would you like a new tool for sewing?” And of course, Francis was very excited to receive it. At that time she didn’t realize it was an angel. She thought it was just a man in the restaurant. So she said, “Yes, I’d like it.” And he said, “Okay, I’ll tell you how to do it.” And so he instructed her. And then, and she said, “Wow, that’s amazing. I never heard anything like that.” And he said, “Let me do it. I’ll show you how this works.” And she said, “No, no, no, let me do it because you’ve told me how to do it.”

SID: That sounds like Francis.

JOSHUA: It was Francis. I mean, she was just a go-getter. And the waitress came to the table, and Francis asked the waitress and said, “Did you realize that there’s only two kinds of waitresses that work at this restaurant, those who are saved and those who are about to be. Which one are you?” And the next thing Francis knew this waitress was crying, tears just coming out of her eyes, tears streaming down her eyes. She said, “I need to be saved. I’m about to be saved.” And when she said that, Francis just led her in the sinner’s prayer, and she accepted the Lord. And Francis said that she had to go back behind the scenes for at least ten minutes to kind of get herself together before she could even come back out again, because God had done such a transforming work in her life.

SID: This is the difference between life and death. This is the difference between living and just living the way you are, living in the oxygen of Heaven. If you like things the way they are, then don’t say this prayer. But you know, a very wise man said, if you keep doing the same things, the same way and expect different results, you’re meshuga, you’re crazy. Say this prayer with me: Dear God, please forgive me of all of my sins. I’m so sorry. I believe the blood of Jesus washes away my sins and I’m clean. And now that I’m clean I make Jesus my Messiah and Lord. Amen. Joshua, get to the piano right now and I want you to play supernatural music. And that you that said that prayer, I want you to know what God says: Though your sins be a scarlet they’re as white as snow and you are righteous. And get ready for the simple supernatural through Joshua’s music.

[music]

JOSHUA: [singing] The Glory Realm, the realm of eternity, the realm of the heavenlies, the Glory realm. [talking] I want you to lift up your hands with the Glory [singing] what’s here now. The Glory Realm, the realm that the angels sing, the realm of our Heavenly King, it’s the Realm of God. It’s the Realm of God, yeah, yeah. What’s the Realm? It’s the Realm of God. It’s the Realm and I want to live, I want to dwell in this realm forever. And I want to be in the secret place just to see your face. And I want to live, I want to dwell in this realm forever, worshiping you in the secret place, in the secret. I want to stand in the secret, to stand in the Glory, stand in the secret place, stand in the Glory and receive what God is doing, how he’s moving, what he’s really saying. Just receive what God is doing, how he’s moving, what he’s really saying. Just receive, just receive it. Whoa…

BERT: I believe there is. We’re at a critical point right now in this nation. But there’s been too many deep wells of revival planted in this nation throughout history. We’ve sent out too much, too many missionaries, too many gospels. There’s righteous seed in this nation and God’s purposes are never vindictive. He’s not looking to punish America. His purposes are always redemptive. So there is hope for this nation because there is a godly remnant, a strong godly remnant that is still living in this nation.

SID: Now we have had revivals in several areas of our country. Nothing compared to those zones that where people would just bow down on the ground and on their knees, and repent over sin where no one was even preaching. But you saw the closest we’ve had. You were out at Brownsville. What did you see?

BERT: The week that I went down there and the services that was in, that I was in, were electric. I mean, people were lining up outside from early morning to early evening to get into the services. And when I walked in there, I could feel the electricity in there. And during the service, those particular services, I remember they mic(ed) little children in the back room, seven, eight, nine years old, moaning and groaning, and travailing. They had mics on them in the Spirit, having this consciousness of God and eternity and the lostness of the world. And I remember one of those services they put in on the platform, they put these large trash bins. And the evangelist was talking about articles of affection that we all have in our lives, and he was calling for repentance. It was a strong call for repentance that night. And he had people come up, people that had addictions, people that were bound by these, what he called these different articles of affection. He had, you know, anything from drug paraphernalia to cigarettes, to pornographic magazines. I mean, people came up with all this trash and threw it in these trash bins and they had a rejoicing party, people repenting, people crying over their sins and then being set free from all these addictions. That’s, that was the week I went. There was a tremendous altar calls, hundreds, there was crying, tears of great, great crying, weeping and then tears followed by tears of great joy and rejoicing.

SID: You told me during the break that you have an unction to pray for miracles and fire. Would you do that right now.

BERT: Yes. Father, I thank you right now for the Spirit of God. There is no distance in the Spirit. And right now wherever people are watching in cities and nations here and across the world, I thank you now for your holy fire. I thank you Father for a revelation of Jesus Christ flooding across these nations right now, and dreams and visions being given to many that would reveal Christ to them and cause an explosion of holy fire that would ignite within them even now. And Father, those that are sick, those that are diseased, tormented, chronic sicknesses, terminal sicknesses, in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, Father, I release now that power and anointing of power to go into these people’s bodies. I see people in hospital beds right now that are watching this. In the name of Jesus Christ, get up from your bed. Get up from your deathbed. Be free from your cancer and your terminal diseases. In the name of Jesus Christ, receive that healing power and that healing anointing right there in your room where you are through a transfer, a transfer of God’s Holy Spirit right now. In Jesus’ name be healed now. Cripples, be healed. Those that can’t even hear maybe watching television, have problems with your ears, in the name of Jesus, ears be open, deaf and dumb spirits come out in the name of Jesus. Those that are having problems with their eyes even blindness, in Jesus name, eyes be open, blindness go, demons leave in Jesus’ name. Be free right now of every damnable disease that is impoverishing your life right now by the power to the glory of Jesus Christ. Amen.

SID: I tell you, joints are being healed right now. I tell you that there is joy in Heaven over one sinner that repents.

BERT: Yes.

SID: You say I’m that one. You repent of your sin. Do I have to tell you? No, you know what it is. You tell Jesus you’re sorry. Believe the blood of Jesus gives you the power and washes away your sin so you can walk the way you’ve always wanted to. Make Jesus your Lord and watch the angels in Heaven start rejoicing just for you. You know I’m talking to you. Now do business with God.

BERT: Yes, yes, yes.

SID: You know Gary, during the commercial break, you told me how important money is. Sickness, it’s very important to get on top of that.

GARY: Yes.

SID: But money affects everyone, everything. I even read that’s the number one cause of divorces.

GARY: Yes. Yes. You know, you can talk about issues and of course we’re not downplaying any of those issues, but the point is money affects everyone. And if you’re in debt or you’re in lack, and you’re in this financial stranglehold it’s, it actually sucks the life out of you, sucks all the vision, all the hope, and it aims everything in just survival. And it’s amazing how you begin to think in survival mode how you just try to make it through one more week until Friday night, you know. I tell people God really wants you to not like Friday night and love Monday morning because you’re so passionate about what you’re doing in life. You’re not in survival mode just making a living. You’re like, I got to stop. It’s Friday night? I want to get back to Monday morning again.

SID: You even told me that the stress and worry of over money causes people to get sick.

GARY: Absolutely. I think stress, I think the study showed that stress does cause a large majority of the illnesses in our body.

SID: Okay. Would you say that lack of money is a curse?

GARY: Well I would agree it is, but I didn’t say that. The Bible did. Back in Genesis, Chapter 3, of course, Adam and Eve had no concerns. All their provision was there.

SID: What a life.

GARY: What a life. They were, man was made at the end of the sixth day designed to live in the seventh day, the day of rest. Now God wasn’t tired when it says that God rested. He was finished. Everything was complete. And so they didn’t have to worry. But Adam gave it all away. He rebelled against God. He lost that place of authority and dominion he had over the earth realm and God approached in Genesis, chapter 3, verse 17, and said, “Now by your own painful toil and sweat you’ll have to eat of the earth.” I call that the earth curse and that’s where everyone has grown up. That’s why “Everyone Wants to be a Millionaire” is so popular, that’s why the lottery is so popular. Everyone is tired of the wait of finding provision. Jesus said, “If the unbeliever runs in painful toil and sweat after the things of life” and that’s, everyone filters their direction by that. There’s a good job paying in California, I’ll move. There’s a better paying job over here. I’ll do that. And they miss their identity. See, Adam had to lose his identity. He was to take care of God’s stuff. He was created for a purpose and now he lost his purpose, and his purpose was survival and trying to find provision. And everyone has done that. Everyone is filtering every decision in this earth-cursed system through survival either running after money or if they have it, hoarding it because the only escape out of this rat race is to have more than enough.

SID: Now you say that we need to change. Kingdoms change laws. What do you mean?

GARY: Take a look at Luke, chapter 5 with Peter, James and John, Jesus walking on the shore comes there and they’ve been fishing all night. Jesus wants to borrow Peter’s boat and goes out, does borrow the boat, comes back in. Jesus says, “Go fish. GO fishing. Cast your net out.” And Peter said, “Master, we fished all night and got nothing, the earth cursed system. We’ve labored but nothing is there.” And then they didn’t catch just so many fish. The net is about broke and both boats, their, Peter’s and his partner’s James’ and John’s boats both about sank. What’s the difference? I began, as a spiritual scientist, I say. I say okay, why did that happen? Well you follow the story, when the boat was given to Jesus to use in ministry, the boat changed legal jurisdiction from the affairs of men, the dominion of men in the earth realm, to under the Kingdom of God’s jurisdiction. At that point, Jesus had a legality. Heaven had a legality in the earth realm where Heaven downloaded to Jesus where the fish were at. And Jesus said the fish are over there in the deep water. You and I can catch fish if Jesus told us where they were. And so the difference in my life, and God began to give me business ideas. He gave me a dream in the night to start a business. He began to show me where the fish were. He began to show me how to harvest. You know, the earth realm is such a poverty-driven system. It’s a lack-driven system to survive that peace, most people are looking for money and they have it all backwards. Money, God doesn’t have any money. Okay. All money is created in the earth realm by [       ] buying and selling. The Lord told me one time, “My church has learned to give but not have a harvest.” All right. So we have to know how the system works. In other words, since God has no money when you give, as we said in the illustration, Luke, chapter 5, when we sow, our money does change governments, gives God jurisdiction to create opportunities. I always say don’t look for money. God helps us create or capture opportunities to create wealth. So what happens, people are not taught, they will sow and they’re waiting with what I call mailbox mentality, waiting for it just to show up. They think someone is going to walk down the street and say, here’s a million dollars and of course it doesn’t happen that way. You can have a million dollar idea is how it happens.

SID: All right. Tell me about the cheesecake.

GARY: You’re talking about Chris. So he heard in our conference how God will download ideas, concepts, direction and he had nothing, no ideas, no money. But he said, “I make a really good cheesecake.” He said, “You know, I really make a healthy good cheesecake. I wonder if I can sell that.

SID: He can sell it to me. I’m looking for good cheesecake.

GARY: Well this was the first night of the conference. So he went home and made this cheesecake. He began to pray about what I was saying and he thought, I’m going to take this cheesecake down to the local health food store and see if they like it. So he took it down there the next day. It just so happened the CEO of the entire health food chain was there that day and tasted the cheesecake, and said it’s the best cheesecake he ever had. And so Chris comes to my meeting that night and comes up for prayer, and says, “I got this opportunity,” and he told me what happened, you know. “Thank you. I want to pray about this.” And so he comes back the next day all excited because the company had decided to actually give him a contract to bake cheesecakes. And then that Friday night of the conference, the CEO, who was visiting from California, came to our meeting, got born again, filled with the spirit because he was so impressed with what he heard Chris talk about.

SID: You know what I have found out that Gary has a gift and when he teaches according to this gift it’s not just for money. These laws work for everything.

GARY: Absolutely.

SID: When we come back I want him to tell us about the secret weapon. Don’t go away.

Sid: My guest by way of telephone I’m speaking to him at his home in Key Largo, Florida is RT Kendall. RT is the former Senior Minister of West Chapel in London, England. He is a PhD graduate of Oxford University. And He has a new book that’s shaking a lot of people up and I believe that if there’s every been a time to get this area right in your life is just before what I believe is the greatest outpouring of God’s Spirit in the history of planet earth, don’t miss out on your destiny. The name of the book “Total Forgiveness” subtitle “When Everything in You Wants to Hold a Grudge Point a Finger and Remember the Pain God Wants You to Lay it All Aside.” RT on yesterday’s broadcast we were talking about what is total forgiveness, would you pick up there where we left off?

RT: Well it doesn’t mean closing our eyes to those that will continue to harm others Sid. Total forgive is when you pray for them and you want them to be blessed but the proof that you have total forgiven begins with a refusal to tell what they did. Take for example Joseph here was a man who was betrayed by his brothers, sold to Ishmaelites and then that was really Plan B they were going to kill him. Well it wasn’t a very nice thing that they did and Joseph had to forgive them. Now when those brothers sold Joseph to the Ismaelites they never thought they’d see him again. Little did they know that 22 years later when they go to Egypt they have to face the Prime Minister of Egypt that is none other than their brother Joseph they don’t know it at first but later they find out that it’s a new Joseph. Joseph had longed for the day that he could look at those brothers and say “Gotcha!” But now he has them before him and instead of saying “Gotcha” he’s a new man, he’s a changed man. And the first thing he does Sid is to say “Everybody out of the room.” Now why did he have everybody leave the room? It’s because he’s going to persuade his brothers to get their father Jacob to come and live in Egypt in the land of Goshen. The reason he had everybody leave the room except his brothers is so that nobody in Egypt would ever know what they did to him. Joseph wants his brothers to come and live in Egypt and he wanted the Egyptians to admire his brothers. Joseph knew that he himself was a hero he wanted his brothers to be heroes and so he makes sure that nobody in Egypt would ever find out because he knows that if they find out in Egypt what they did you know they’re going to hate those brothers and Joseph doesn’t want his brothers to be hated.

Sid: If Joseph hadn’t at some point along the way forgiven his brothers do you think he would have rose to the royalty he did?

RT: Very good point Sid. Don’t believe he would have it’s my view that God just waited till Joseph totally forgave before he could be trusted with such a lofty position.

Sid: And Mishpochah did you get that point. Maybe you you’ve been saying “God I feel like I’ve been on a treadmill how come you’re not moving me up? How come you’re not promoting me, how come the gifts are not flowing the way you promised me that they’re going to flow and maybe…

RT: You are exactly right.

Sid: And maybe God’s waiting on you.

RT: Do you remember the dreams Joseph had about his brothers? Yeah he wasn’t very wise to tell those dreams he said “You know I had this dream “Moon, eleven stars were bowing down to me.” Now there wasn’t anything wrong with Joseph’s gift because it was functioning he had a definite prophetic gift when it came to dreams. But there was a lot wrong with Joseph and Joseph always knew that one day those brothers were going to come to him. But what he didn’t know is that God wasn’t going to let it happen until Joseph was right in his heart towards them. And I think there are a lot of people Sid that have been given call it prophetic words, words of knowledge, promise maybe the Lord Himself has promised someone one day I’m going to use you.” And they keep asking Him “How long, how long, how long?

Sid: And God’s saying the same thing “How long, how long, how long are you going to wait to walk in un-forgiveness? (Laughing.)

RT: That’s exactly the point, that’s exactly the point. So Joseph could not be trusted with such authority and power if he were still bitter. And so when God doesn’t exalt us as soon as we would like it’s at least that God’s doing us a favor because we couldn’t be trusted with that kind of power.

Sid: You know many times I’ve said…I’ve even said this publically when I first started in ministry had I had the platform I have right now I believe that I would have fallen big time.

RT: Hm hm exactly.

Sid: So God’s got a lot of wisdom there (Laughing.)

RT: Well He was doing Joseph an enormous favor and He’s done me a favor by well my predecessor at Westminster Chapel was a man by the name of Dr. Martin Lloyd Jones. And he used to say to me “The worst thing that can happen to a man is to succeed before he’s ready.” And so that the principals here once Joseph had totally forgiven those brothers “God says Joseph I think now you’re ready,” and that’s and you’re exactly right Sid and that’s what God was doing here.

Sid: Well you’re just exploding so many thoughts but let’s go back to what is total forgiveness.

RT: What do you think I should say what it isn’t?

Sid: Please.

RT: Okay.

Sid: That’s one way to understand.

RT: It is not approval of what they did, you see God never approved of our sin He hates sin and so Jesus forgave the woman found in adultery but it didn’t approve of what she did He told her leave your life of sin. And so when we forgive it doesn’t mean we approve what they did nor does it mean that we excuse what they did. We got to forgive people but it doesn’t mean we excuse them, or it doesn’t mean we justify what they did. So nor does it mean that we pardon what they did. Back to the lady who was raped by a person from a Middle Eastern country. She didn’t pardon him but she certainly forgave him in her heart. And another very important point I think that we already touched on this I think it was maybe on the program yesterday forgiveness is not necessarily reconciliation there not always the same thing. You see reconciliation requires the participation of two people the person you forgive may not want to see you or talk to you or they may have passed away since the time of the offense. Not only that Sid you may not want to maintain a close relationship with the person you forgive. So the main thing is you’ve got to forgive them but it doesn’t mean necessarily reconciliation.

Sid: You know a lot of people beat themselves down because they think it means those other things.

RT: Yeah I know I call it pseudo-guilt, living in guilt but the main thing is that we forgive them. And I ought to add one other thing total forgiveness is not denying what they did sometimes people will live in denial and say “Well I can’t believe those people really did that to me.” It’s not blindness to what they did the truth is you’ve got to say “They did do that, what they did was not very nice.”

Sid: And it’s also not very justifying saying “Oh well they had a bad father that taught them to act that way it’s not excusing what they did.”

RT: And I’ll add something else “A lot of times people say to forgive is to forget.” That’s not true you see we say forgive and forget but the truth is we can’t forget we know what they did.” But what we do mean by that is that we don’t bring it up, we don’t keep pointing the finger, you can’t deny what they did. And so that’s the important thing you don’t live in denial and pretend, you’re forgiving when you know good and well what they did was not right, it was wicked, it was evil but you forgive them because God has forgiven us and we’re to pass that on.

Sid: And you say when you discuss this in your book “What Total Forgiveness is Not.” You talk about people it’s not pretending we’re not hurt, so what do we do with our hurts?

RT: Well God let David know how grieved he was over his sin of adultery and so God did not pretend not to be hurt. And David a man after God’s own heart was still the object of God’s being ruthlessly impartial with David. So Jesus was hurt when he was struck in the face by a priest official, he said “Why did you strike me?” So he didn’t pretend that he wasn’t hurt we are hurt but we don’t want to make the other person feel guilty and when we have totally forgiven we will set them free from any kind of guilt.

Sid: And you know what I do in my own life is I don’t look for that other person to heal my hurt I go to God and I say “Father I’m hurting.”

RT: Right.

Sid: I need Your love, You’re the only one that can give me the love any way.

RT: Hm.

Sid: Well what is total forgiveness now we know what it’s not.

RT: Okay it’s refusing to say what they did to make them look bad, another thing you won’t let the people be afraid of you. Joseph as soon as he revealed who he was those brothers were terrified and he looked at them probably in tears and he says “Come close to me, come close to me.” He didn’t want them to be afraid but you see if you have hurt me and I haven’t forgiven you I’m going to want you to be afraid of me. And had Joseph not forgiven those brothers the moment he saw how scared they were he could have said “Gotcha good I’m glad to see how you feel I’ve waited for this moment!” But instead he says “Come close to me he was just wanting to feel love from the, he wanted them to feel loved.”

Sid: Mishpochah time is slipping away and I want to leave you with one thought to ponder until we come back tomorrow. Unforgiveness keeps you from loving again, think about that.

Sid: I wish you were at our Days of Elijah Celebration which we had in St. Simon’s Island, Georgia recently we’ve been playing excerpts from the celebration all this week. In a moment we’ll go right back to Dr. Michael Brown on his message. But let me read from one of our Mishpochah that wrote in he says “I believe that we were all anointed to participate in the last days harvest; Lord help us to take the message to those around us.” I pray that I’ll never forget what I experienced there in Georgia now I know what is possible for the church on earth. And when you sit on the anointing on this video there is going to be a change in your destiny. Let’s go to Dr. Michael Brown.

Dr. Michael Brown: Why is it that in one city that we are commanded to pray for in Psalm 122 and Isaiah 62? Why? I’m sure that Jesus wept over many cities but scripture only tells us that He wept over one Luke 19 He wept over Jerusalem? Why? Why does Zachariah 2 does God speak of Jerusalem as the Apple of His eye? Why that city? Why all nations coming up against it? Why so much controversy over it right now in our day? You want proof that the Bible is the word of God, the Bibles true? Just as where it says about Jerusalem and look at what’s happening in the world! How in the right did it get it right? See it all comes back to Jerusalem, there is one city to which Jesus said He would return.

There are promises in scripture that tell us that the Jewish people endure as long as the sun, moon and stars and if the devil can wipe out the Jews he makes God into a liar. But it goes beyond that you see Yeshua said in Matthew 23 “He will not come back to the earth, He will not come back to Jerusalem until His own people welcome Him. But if you know the Hebrew words “Until Jerusalem says ‘Baruch Haba b’Shem Adonai (Blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord.)’” From Psalm 118 those are the words by which the Messianic King was welcomed. He said “You will not see me again until you see again until you welcome Me.” And Israel if Jerusalem will not see Him again until they welcome Him nobody will see Him. Because when He comes every eye will see Him. Do you understand that the return of Yeshua to set up His Kingdom on the earth and to put His feet down on the Mount of Olives in Jerusalem according to Zechariah 14. Do you know what’s dependent on His own people welcoming Him back? He hears the prayers of His Body all around the world from many nations saying “Even so come Lord Jesus” and He’s saying “I won’t come until My own people welcome Me back.” And when He comes back that’s the end that’s the casting of Satan into the bottomless pit; that’s the destruction of the wicked on the earth; that’s the setting up of the Kingdom of God on the earth; that’s the Resurrection of the righteous it’s over! And that’s why it’s so hotly opposed. That’s why the devil fights with all of his might it’s the ultimate battle the Battle over Jerusalem.

9/11 was a battle over Jerusalem do you understand that? All of the shaking in the media and anti-Israel bias around the world it’s a battle over Jerusalem because it’s a battle where Satan is holding on with his last minute stake. Because when Israel gets it right it’s over.

Now here’s the good news, anyone ready to hear some good news. Here’s the good news if it was written again in verse 11 in Romans 11 Paul said “I asked if they stumble beyond recovery? Not at all (those that were hung up in church buildings all around the world, not at all.) Yeah rather because of their transgressions the Gentiles to make Israel envious.”

You know I once heard a quote from a teacher that had a bit of a wrong emphasis on property and over emphasis and he said “Look we Gentile Christians have to make the Jews envious so we’re going to have to earn more money than them.” Forget it, forget it that’s not what God’s talking about. What a carnal approach, no he’s talking about when Israel sees what you have, what we have genuine presence of God, power of God mercy and forgiveness, clean conscience. When Israel see the redeemed people enjoying the covenant blessing of Messiah that belong to them they’ll become envious.

Now look at this but if they’re transgression means riches for the world and their loss means riches for the Gentiles how much greater riches will their fullness bring? I’m talking to Gentiles as much as I’m an Apostle to the Gentiles I make much of my ministry in the hope that I may somehow arouse my own people to envy and save some of them. For if their rejection is the reconciliation of the world what will their acceptance be but life from the dead!

Go to the end at verse 25 “Israel has experienced a hardening of the heart until the full number of the Gentiles has come in and so all Israel will be saved! And as it is written a deliver will come from Zion He will turn godliness away from Jacob and this is My covenant when I take away their sins.”

We have gotten so far from understanding how Jewish the gospel is and how of all peoples on the earth it was tailor-made for the Jew. We’ve gone so far from that that this week the Bishops of the Catholic Church working together with Rabbis came out with a formal statement now that it is wrong for the Catholic Church to seek to evangelize Jews they have their own covenant with God. Saying of all people the ones that the Messiah came for they’re the ones that don’t need Him.

But here’s the good news that when we read this I don’t think that we take hold of what’s written; you know what Paul’s saying? Verse 12 again “If their transgression means riches for the world then there loss means riches for the Gentiles how much greater riches will their fullness bring?” Paul’s saying “All of you are saved, all of you have your sins forgiven, every former immoral person drug addict, alcoholic, lost sinner, religious hypocrite, atheist, terrorist, communist, Hindu, Buddhist, criminal, prostitute all around the world. He’s saying all of you who have come to know the Messiah, all of you who have had your sins forgiven, all of you who have received new life, all of you that have been healed, all of you who have been delivered he said “This has happened because Israel got things wrong.” What happens when Israel gets things right?

Listen to what he’s saying verse 15 “If their rejection is the reconciliation of the world.” Listen there are over a billion people on the planet who know the Messiah who are worshipping the God of Israel today because Israel got things wrong. If their rejection is the reconciliation of the world what will they’re acceptance be but life from the dead.

I’d like to picture it like this it’s a simple little illustration but it works. Years, centuries in the future the streets of heaven it’s a big Texas Evangelist talking to a Jewish believer even though he’s in heaven he still has glasses just for the illustration. Texas evangelist still has a cowboy hat and boots and a little pride just for the illustration. He comes up to this Jewish guy and “what’s your name son “My name is Irving Goldstein sir.” You know who I am? No Sir I really don’t know. Brian Bosnec I preached face to face to over ½ million people I’ve seen 50,000 people saved, in fact over a 5 year period and I saw 5 people come out of their wheelchairs. What’s you done son? “Well I really haven’t done anything big or famous I was just involved in reaching the Jewish people with the gospel, I saw the Jewish people turn back to God call on the Messiah and He came back and all of the righteous people got out of their graves.” (Crowd Laughter!)

I want you to take hold of this “Life from the dead.” This is the big one you want to ministry of raising the dead see Israel saved everybody that’s righteous get out of their graves. This is the big one! But look God is doing something, God is doing something. The church that I got saved in you know what I meant when always in Olney was a little Italian Pentecostal Church with 100 people when I got saved. Do you know what I was met with everywhere they love Israel, they loved the Jews it was just in them because they were saved.

Some years ago we were having a conference in Pensacola and some people were visiting our school of ministry here and they were getting a tour of the different offices and the different campuses and stuff and somehow they just came through my office. I had this office with this big library, I didn’t know that they were coming through my office and these tour groups. I was sitting there on my desk and doing my work and one woman came in crying, crying and crying. “You’re the first Jew I’ve ever met I’ve always loved Jewish people and you’re the first Jew I ever met.” And she’s about 30 – 40 years old. “I’ve always loved the Jewish people and you’re the first Jew. And I said “Where you from?” She said “Louisiana.” Well, that figures I can understand that (Laughter). And I said “You really want to be blessed go to the next office my Assistant Scott he’s a Jew too and I said “Then go down one more office and my wife Nancy she’s Jew too. “Oh” she walks into Scotts office crying and crying. “I’m a Louisiana redneck I can’t explain it but the day I got saved I had this great love for Jews.” I’ve seen it around the world.

Just as supernatural as 9/11 was. How could it happen and yet it happened. My wife lost her brother in it. Some of you may have lost loved ones it seems impossible it happened. As supernatural and diabolical as the world of anti-Semitism as the Holocaust was, as the crusades were, and all of these other things.   As impossible as it all seemed it happened. I tell you it will be more impossible more amazing and more incredible what God does. If that’s the power of evil, if that’s Satan’s best shot what’s God’s best shot look like. Israel shall be saved! Israel shall be saved, Israel shall be saved, Israel shall be saved!

Sid: The Jew needs a Christian, the Christian needs the Jew. Israel shall be saved in the greatest revival in history among Gentiles is about ready to happen.

Sid: I’ll tell you something if you’ve been listening all this week you are at the boiling point, and I mean in a good way. I have on the telephone Rick Taylor, I’m speaking to him at the healing room which is located in Santa Maria Valley, California where’s there’s literally been an outbreak of the miraculous almost everyone with cancer going there is being healed, every other disease that you can think of. The thing that is so exciting to me is that greater miracles are even happening. What is a greater miracle than someone with given 2 weeks to live from cancer and being instantly healed? I’ll tell you what’s greater than that, the forever miracle where you have intimacy with God in this life and that same intimacy just gets better and better when you slip out of your earth suit. Rick you’re having people from other religions come into the healing room. Why would people from other religions come there?

Rick: People are desperate when it comes to healing they’ll try anything. When they try the doctors, they try their god and they don’t get healed they hear the stories about the success that we are having they have to try it out. Twice now we’ve had Buddhists come in, there god could not heal them but they came to our God, and as they come into the room the team begins to pray for them in the name of Jesus. A power of God comes on these guys and the Lord heals them, and because of that they want to know who this Jesus is. So the team will just say “Well…” they’ll explain to them who Jesus is and they’ll ask them “Would you like to know this Jesus? Would you like to receive Him as your Lord and as your savior?” Both times they said “Yes” because of the miracle because of the healing they had to know this person Jesus who just healed them. Their god could not, but our God did and because of that they converted and they gave their life to Jesus. It’s such an amazing thing.

Sid: Tell me about the Jewish woman that came in.

Rick: We had a Jewish woman that came up, drove up from Santa Barbara which is about an hour drive. She came with 2 Christians, they were explaining to her “If you go I know the Lord will heal you.” Now on the way up this Jewish woman was telling her friends “You know I’m going to convert” and her friends, her Christian friends, said “You know what we don’t want to ask you to convert just go get some prayer.” The woman gets into the room and as the team is praying for her this amazing love as they’re praying the name of Jesus comes all over this woman. She could not deny the love and the presence of Jesus, and Jesus heals her. Then after they were finished praying she goes “You know what I’ve got to know this person Jesus. I need to receive Him as…”

Sid: Now what was wrong her physically?

Rick: You know what we have so many people get healed I can’t remember what her problem was. All I know is God completely healed her, I’d have to research that. But because of the miracle, and because of the love that she felt she had to know this person, she had to know Jesus her Messiah.

Sid: Rick I’m feeling the presence of God in a very strong way as you talk about His love. What you have is, it’s His compassion that is the key to releasing the miraculous. Would you tell a few people about how Jesus heals today and then pray for them very quickly?

Rick: I believe that Jesus so loves us that not only does He want to save us but He wants to heal us. I believe that the provision for healing came through the cross and the atonement, not only on the cross did we receive a divine Savior but a divine healer. It’s all about love, it’s all about love that God sent His best His Son Jesus Christ. In 1^st John 3:8 it says “The reason the Son of God appeared was to destroy the works of the devil.” Sickness, disease, poverty, depression, all these things are the works of the devil. Jesus came through the power of love to set us free from all of those things. It’s all about love, He loves you so much. I just want to pray right now, Lord anyone hearing this right now that need’s Your love, the touch of Your awesome love that brings about healing. You know this is really not faith healing this is divine healing it’s all about the love of Jesus Christ. I just release His divine presence on every person that’s hearing the sound of my voice right now. Every cancer goes in Jesus name, every pain goes, every terminal disease goes in Jesus name. The Lord Jesus’ love is released over the airwaves and every person that is hearing this message I release His love it’s all about love.

Sid: Tell me about some people that are healed of arthritis especially… I mean arthritis is so painful the compassion of the Lord must really come out when you see someone with arthritis.

Rick: You know it really does. The Lord is so good and we’ve seen quite a few people healed of arthritis. You know a lot of times when the Lord’s love comes on people as we’re praying for them, He just gently begins to remind them of things that He’ll surface memories of people in the past that they may not have forgiven, or a certain bitterness that they are holding against a person. A lot of times when you hold those inside Sid it begins to work on our physical body and into our bones. The Lord is never upset at us, He’s never trying to discipline us it’s not His will that we have this. So as He gently through His love reminds us those things that we have not yet released we just give those to the Lord. We say “Lord I forgot about this please forgive me for holding this, this anger or this bitterness, or this unforgiveness that’s been so pinned up inside of me for all of these years. I give it to you now.” A lot of times right as they do that, and that’s the key unlocks their healing and the arthritis just goes away. It’s so amazing.

Sid: Well let’s pray right now. If there… Holy Spirit quicken to Your people, anyone, that they need to forgive and we know it’s not a feeling we know it’s an act of our love for You because You forgave us before we deserved it, and we’re to forgive other people before they deserve it. So Holy Spirit quicken to us people we need to forgive and as someone is quickened to you say “I choose to forgive…” and state their name. “I choose to forgive.” All of us have been hurt, not like Yeshua was hurt, all of us have been misunderstood, not like Jesus was misunderstood. Rick I believe if you’ll pray for people now they’ll be set free of arthritis and then go for the big “C” cancer, the little “c” cancer.

Rick: I just want to say this that first of all the name of Jesus is above every name. It’s above the name of cancer, it’s above the name of arthritis, see at the name every other name has to bow. So right now Jesus we just speak Your name over every disease, over cancer, and over arthritis I break your power I break your hold of every person that suffers arthritis right now. Be free in Jesus name Jesus set you free. I command every symptom to go, every stiffness to go, all pain to go and Lord just begin to lubricate joints right now. Joints are… just begin to move, begin to move what you could not move before. Begin to start doing things you could not do before. Bend over begin to move your arms and legs, right now the Lord is lubricating and loosening and setting you free right now in the name of Jesus. I break the power and the spirit of cancer, I command a spirit of cancer to leave every person that’s hearing my voice right now in the glorious name of Jesus Christ be set free. I command every rebellious cancer cell to die and every person that’s hearing me. I break the assignment that evil one had over you and I release God’s plan to give you life, abundant life I release life to you now. I speak healing to you right now. Receive it it’s so free, it’s so powerful just receive His love, receive His healing right now in Jesus name, amen.

Sid: There’s a flow, there’s a flow of God’s Spirit it’s like a river and it’s flowing right out of your radio, right out of your tape recorder, right into your inner most being. Where ever that river goes there is healing. I tell you there is a river that is being released in Yeshua’s name right now, and there is someone that has pain in their back. You back is being straightened out, I tell you the vertebrae are being replaced it’s so wonderful it’s going up to the neck and into the head, but especially in the back and the neck… I mean pains of any kind headaches, migraines… Rick I just believe that in your healing room they smell perfume. I believe there are people smelling… what is the perfume like in your healing room?

Rick: It smells like roses, and that’s the fragrance of the Lord His presence. I just release that, everywhere we go people smell that even when we go overseas people begin to smell the roses. I release the roses the presences and the fragrance of the Lord right now into every person’s room that is listening to us. In the cars the people that are listening to us right now, let the roses of the Lord just appear.

Sid: How would you like this anointing just to go on and on right in your home?

Sid: Hello Sid Roth here with Rick Renner and I hope you’re enjoying this discussion as much as I am Rick what does it mean when God tells us to put on His full armor?

Rick: Well the word put on describes a clothing. The real key is when it says “The whole armor of God” it describes the armor which comes from God Himself. And you are clothed with the armor of God as long as you are walking in relationship with God. This is not just sitting down and pretending you’re putting on a helmet or putting on a breastplate I mean going through all of those motions may mentally help you but that’s not going to clothe you. But when you are walking with God there is a power which flows continuously that clothes you in this whole armor. You step away from your whole relationship with the Lord and you will not be clothed. But as long as you’re walking in relationship with God there is armor that protects you.

Sid: But you mentioned some armor that I don’t recall it being in the New Testament how did you get it; you talk about the long lance?

Rick: Oh the lance of prayer and supplication that in Ephesians chapter 6 verse 18. You know there were a specific number of pieces of the spiritual weaponry and the lance had to be there. And so I found it Sid and I write about it in a whole chapter about the lance of prayer and intercession that’s a great chapter in this book.

Sid: Well the whole book is so wonderful as a matter of fact how do you I mean I know that you study Greek but I have a lot of friends that have studied Greek but the way that you break it down it’s like reading the Bible all over again.

Rick: Well thank you I just believe it’s a gift which God gave me and it’s my place and it’s what God’s given me to do.

Sid: Well I mean I just got stuck on the chapter talking about the “Be strong in the Lord and the power of His might and when you broke those Greek words down I mean it just opens this vistas to people but I believe that what Rick put on the cover of this book is exactly what’s going to happen to you “You don’t have to take it anymore because you are dressed to kill, not the devil you are dressed to kill and stop the devil right in his tracks in your life, your family’s life, your friends life. And the pictures you don’t get this in a Bible. Paul got it I mean he was sitting a prison cell and he could look at those Roman soldiers that were there to guard him and he looked at each piece of the equipment of how they were dressed and described it. And when you read it in the book of Ephesians but then you see these so call it pictures it really has an impact.

SID: Hello. Sid Roth here. Welcome to my world where it’s naturally supernatural. But let me tell you something. My next guest is going to stretch your faith. You see, she believes, and I do, too, everyone has a cylinder of light or a portal to Heaven over themselves. And as you realize this, and as you activate this, that’s how Heaven brings things from Heaven to Earth for you. She wants you to activate your cylinder of light. Be right back. I have to tell you. I am fascinated about this cylinder of light. Some people call it a portal. The Bible calls it a gateway. And Rebecca, God is showing you that every believer has this cylinder of light. And what I happen to believe is, when I’m in the cylinder of light, no weapon formed against me can prosper.

REBECCA: Amen.

SID: Is that true?

REBECCA: Amen. There’s supernatural protection in this open portal that we have the opportunity in this earth realm to access.

SID: And when it says, “Thy Kingdom come, thy will be done.”

REBECCA: On Earth.

SID: “On Earth as it is in Heaven,” through this portal comes the things we’ve prayed for.

REBECCA: Absolutely. Our blessings travel through the portal, Sid. It’s an amazing place to operate in and to dwell in. It’s a secret place.

SID: Give me one biblical reference about someone that had that access in the Bible.

REBECCA: Oh that’s easy. Elijah, he operated under an open Heaven. Jacob operated in an open Heaven

.SID: The ladder?

REBECCA: The ladder.

SID: People have seen this cylinder of light over me. People have seen this over you. Do you see this over everyone?

REBECCA: Absolutely. Believers and unbelievers alike. And according to the expansion or the constriction of each individual’s portal is how I minister to that either believer or unbeliever. It makes the ministry easy.

SID: I used to be a stockbroker. That’s called inside information, but it’s not illegal.

REBECCA: Yes.

SID: Okay. So the first time you were aware of the portal, but you didn’t really know this, you were just eight years old.

REBECCA: Eight years old.

SID: What happened?

REBECCA: Well I was actually mowing the grass and I was on a riding lawnmower, and it was a bit repetitious because it was a large yard. It was my uncle’s yard. And all of a sudden, the heavens opened over me and the clouds actually rolled back in pillars of magnificent revelation. And I squinted my eyes, and I caught onto the gear, and I sped up, and I stayed busy for the next 30 years.

SID: Now I’m going to tell you. You have never, ever heard of someone coming to know Jesus the way Rebecca did. She was raised Baptist and she, a little rebellious, alcohol, drugs, the whole nine yards. But one day, her mother says, “I want you to go to church.” And for some reason, Rebecca said, “Okay.” And she goes there, and she knows nothing. She’s not saved or anything. And the young kids gravitate towards her. So the youth pastor says, “Hmm, they gravitate towards her. I’ll have her as a speaker.” She’s not saved, remember. “I’m going to have her as a speaker for my youth meeting.” So he asks her and what did you say?

REBECCA: I said, “Yes, okay, I’ll do it.”

SID: So tell me about it.

REBECCA: And when my head just, you know, started say, yes, and I was saying, no, and my mom, she was like, “No, don’t do it!” And you know, now I think back with the knowledge that I have of the revelation of God, where was that youth pastor’s discernment, because I was so lost. And but little did I know, God had a plan.

SID: How did you know what to say?

REBECCA: Well he told he, he said, “Don’t worry about what to say, for the Holy Spirit will give you want to say in the hour that you need to say it.” And I said, hey, that’s easy.

SID: The youth pastor said this?

REBECCA: Yes.

SID: Okay. And I believe him.

REBECCA: Oh yes, I believed him. I didn’t even take a Bible.

SID: All right. So she said, okay, God is going to tell me what to say because my youth pastor told me that. So she’s standing up to speak for the group, no Bible, no preparation, not even saved. What happened?

REBECCA: Well they introduced me and they said a lot of good things about me, and I was like, hey, they like me better than I do. I think I like this place. And when they put me behind the pulpit and I said, “Well your youth pastor said that the Holy Spirit will tell me what to say in the hour that I need to say it,” and I said, “and he’s not here yet.”

SID: So what did you say?

REBECCA: I just stood there and everybody looked me kind of like you are…, and I just waited, and I waited.

SID: What’s everyone doing while you’re waiting?

REBECCA: Well the pastor and the youth pastor, they were having a meltdown and the rest of the church thought it was quite interesting that I didn’t have anything planned. So God was really setting me up for the revelatory realm, that he would give what to say in the hour that I needed to say it, because they needed to hear what I had to say.

SID: Suddenly, what happened?

REBECCA: Suddenly, there was a hot oil from above began to flow and it, and I felt it cascading down over my head, and then I could feel it running down my body. And by the time it got to my feet, you know, all these words shot out of my mouth, and it was ministering to me. But it wasn’t me. It was Him.

SID: So she speaks and then she remembers she saw Billy Graham at a meeting, and Billy said, “Come.” So after she finished speaking, she just copies Billy. She doesn’t know what she’s doing. “Come.” So they all come forward to get saved and she doesn’t know how to tell them. She’s not even saved. What did you do?

REBECCA: Well I said, “Well God, if it worked for Billy it has to work for me. “So come from all over the building. If you don’t have Jesus in your heart, come from all over the building.”

SID: [unintelligible]

REBECCA: And so the children rushed to the altar. It almost frightened me because they were running towards me and their parents came, and the chaperones came, and some of the ministers.

SID: We’ll just keep that secret between the two of us.

REBECCA: And so the children said, “What prayer do we say to be saved to ask Jesus into our hearts?” And I said, “I don’t know, but if we’ll get the pastor down here we’ll all get saved.”

SID: And were you saved?

REBECCA: That night.

SID: You get that? The pastor comes up, gives the altar call and she says it along with all these little kids. When we come back, you’re going to find out about a six-hour open vision that totally transformed Rebecca’s life and it’s going to transform yours. We’ll be right back.