Sid Roth

RODNEY: It should be, a person has a demon. It is the word, like the subject, the verb, echo, and then it, really, the dema. So a person has a demon.

SID: So it could be a Christian has a sickness.

RODNEY: Yeah. In fact, it’s used like that, Christian has a sickness. John the Baptist had a camelhair coat. You know Mary had a child. I mean it’s like a person has this or a person has an offense. It’s not that a demon has a person. The other time that it’s used, it’s a verb. It’s a very general verb, [foreign language], so it could talk about the guy at the Gadarene or it could talk about, listen, I just have a spirit that’s harassing me. So the word oppressed probably better describes about a person having a demon. Because a Christian cannot be owned by a demon, but they can be oppressed by one.

SID: Well, it’s a fine line. Some say a Christian could not have a demon in their spirit, but they for sure could have one in their flesh, just as you could be sick in your flesh. Is that a sin? No, it’s a sin if you could get rid of it and not get rid of it, and you just keep it the rest of your life. But, okay, tell me about, real briefly, your first deliverance.

RODNEY: My deliverance happened by seven months earlier. And by this time I’d moved to Washington State and I’m pastoring a church. My wife set up an appointment for me to minister to one of our young ladies that she thought had a demon. By this time, my wife and I were talking about this. She invites her over and I asked my wife, “Why did you do this? I never done this before. I don’t really know what I’m doing.” But she said, “You are her pastor, so you should be the one,” So she pulled a pastor card out on me, and I had to do it.

RODNEY: So she came over and I got a little bit of phone instruction, but I really didn’t know. So I didn’t know how to start this thing. So I mean, I’ve never seen one. So I thought, well I’ll just read scripture. Maybe I can stir them up. So I read scripture, but that didn’t work. So then I said, “Well let’s pray.” So we all bowed our head and closed our eyes and prayed, which by the way, do not close your eyes when you’re ministering in this area.

SID: Why?

RODNEY: Well, because you want to see what’s going on.

SID: Okay.

RODNEY: You want to observe this stuff, so you don’t want to close your eyes to a demon, but nobody told me the rule, so I didn’t know. So I got our eyes closed and I’m praying. As soon as we finished praying, I’m looking up, my wife’s looking up, and she couldn’t open her eyes. I go, “What do you mean you can’t open your eyes?” She goes, “I can’t open my eyes.”

RODNEY: I looked at my wife and I said, “What did you get us into?” But I said, “In the name of Jesus, I command those eyes to open,” and boom, they opened. And I go, whoa it worked. And then she couldn’t hear me. She was deaf. And then I said the same thing, “In the name of Jesus-“

SID: Was she naturally deaf?

RODNEY: No, all of a sudden…she sees my lips moving, but she can’t hear a thing. So then I said, “I command those ears to open,” and boom, they opened up. And for the next several hours, several hours, that was the worst experience of my life. And I don’t know if they left because we drove them out or we wore them out, but they ended up leaving. But by the end of the night, I looked at that face and I saw a face of freedom and I said, “Lord, I don’t like the mess, but I love the face.” I’ll do it for that.

KYNAN: Then while he’s crying over that, he’s literally on his knees crying, while he’s crying over that, someone else comes in the back room and says, “Where’s the pastor? The Lord just spoke to me and said I have to give him $10,000.” Now, mind you, nobody has asked money from anyone.

SID: This is right after you spoke revelation to him.

KYNAN: When he got the revelation, it began to change his entire environment. But guess what? The next Sunday, he comes to church and a man says, “Pastor, I’ve been sitting on this. But when you came before us and repented for a lack mentality, something happened,” and they said, “God told me to pay your mortgage for a year,” and they wrote him a check for $15,000 on the spot. Now I want to say this because this is important. When God does something and man’s not involved with it, we can’t blame manipulation, we can’t say that somebody’s hands were twisted. But when God comes down himself and moves, no one can refute it.

KYNAN: And I believe, Sid, that we’re entering into a season of irrefutable miracles. I’m talking about the new stations are going to have to come and say, “You know what? We were wrong. We were totally wrong about this Jesus thing. He is real. He’s alive and He’s moving.” Yeah, God’s about to do these kinds of unusual miracles all over the place. And what I’m saying, Sid, this is a move of the spirit of God. We are in a move of God. It’s not about to happen, it’s already happening right now.

SID: Okay.

KYNAN: We have to have an attitude of expectancy, because it’s the attitude of expectation that creates the atmosphere for miracles. In other words, we have to live in anticipation every day. Every day I wake up, I say this, I literally say this out of my mouth, “Something good is going to happen to me.” That’s what I say when I wake up, “Something good is going to happen to me.” But not only do I say that, I say, “Something good is going to happen through me.” I’m not just a receiver of the miracle, but I’m a distributor of the miracle as well. Yeah.

SID: A lot of people that say why are you so miracle conscious? What’s the real purpose of miracles?

KYNAN: See, miracles are not about impressing people. It’s not about having a big social media platform. The purpose of miracles, the Bible says in Mark 16, “And these signs shall follow them that believe.” Miracle is God’s advertisement plan to demonstrate the power of His kingdom above all other kingdoms. You see, miracles demonstrate that the God we serve is really alive. This is very, very important. We’re never to follow science, but we follow Him and science follows us.

SID: As far as physical miracles, if I speak, the average place I speak and people are honest and I say, “How many need a healing?” Just about every hand goes up. You’re seeing this even in your own church all over the place. You were telling me about this disease. I still can’t pronounce it, vitiligo or?

KYNAN: Vitiligo. It’s actually—

SID: Vitiligo.

KYNAN: It’s a pigmentation condition that basically reverses the pigmentation of the skin and it creates like these spots all over the body. And mind you, it’s mostly cosmetic. It’s not something that a person has to be healed of, I want to be clear of that. But this particular young man was in the church and his mother brought him. And I saw him about, I would say a third of his head was covered in this pigmentation thing. And I said to the mother and said, “God can fix that.” That’s all I said. I didn’t go through a long prayer. I didn’t take him in a back room. I didn’t rub oil all over him, any of that. I just said, “God can fix that.” “Int—

SID: Wow. I was taught, never say never. But you say there is one thing we should never, never, never, never do. What is that?

BRENDA: Well, the one thing we should never do when we’re most tempted, especially to do it, because everybody deals with it, Sid, is we should never become the devils of prophet. Don’t speak for the enemy.

BRENDA: Anybody can speak what they see. We can speak what we see over our own health. We can speak what we see on the news. Now, that’ll preach right there because it’s easy to get caught up in what the networks are.

SID: Will you get your foot off of my foot, right now? I feel like you’re….

BRENDA: But we all do it. We all fall into it. Sometimes you want to throw that shoe at the TV and then get in those comments sections on social media and argue with the best of them. But we have to be careful. We’re not advertising for the enemy and setting things in motion that God does not endorse.

BRENDA: And if we do that, it sets us up for failure. And it’s so easy, especially in this communicative era that we live in, our society’s all about… Everybody’s got an opinion and they’re speaking it loudly. We all have a voice on something, but we have to be so careful. And I believe this is so careful right now, especially concerning our nation, that we have to carefully speak in alignment with what God is doing prophetically and not just speak after our own party, our own opinion, our own thought process, how we were raised.

BRENDA: We’ve got to get in alignment with God because if we don’t, we set ourselves up for failure, and that is where a lot of people… And they wonder why they don’t see a miracle. We can’t advertise for the devil with our mouth, but anybody can speak what they see. It takes an anointing to promote the good and follow God.

SID: You teach the devil cannot oppose our words.

BRENDA: Absolutely. No, he can’t. And here’s why. Because when we’ve learned about Newton’s Law when we were growing up as kids. This is eighth grade science, that when something is set in motion, you throw a baseball or a football, that thing will stay in motion until it is hit upon by an opposing force. No opposing force could ever stop what God says.

BRENDA: If we align with God, no opposing force can stop what we’ve said. It may look like it’s trying to oppose, but you stay… When you and I stay on that word that we’ve declared, that healing word, that financial blessing word, come on, that word over our household, over our prodigal children, we stay on that declaration. The devil can’t do anything to stop what’s already been in motion by the anointing.

SID: Okay, I’m going to draw out of your spirit now. I want you to decree whatever God is showing you right now in your spirit.

BRENDA: Well, here’s what I really feel, and I feel this by the manner that the presence of God is right here on this set, and I feel very strong by the spirit of the Lord, that right now what’s resonating in you is you are suffering in some condition physically. Right now, just receive this. I speak over your physical being and I say to the blood, I speak to the bones. I speak to your immune system of your body. I say to every organ, every fiber, every cell. I say it must line up and come into alignment with and function the way God created it.

Hello, Sid Roth here. Welcome to my world where it’s naturally, supernatural. We’ve got a supernatural show for you. Coronavirus and the end times. Stunning, prophetic update filled with unprecedented hope and faith and power. Next.

Sid Roth has spent over 40 years researching the strange world of the supernatural. Join Sid for this edition of It’s Supernatural.

SID: I have with me two prophets from different parts of the world that have an amazing revelation of what is going on right now. I just pray everyone in the world sees this show because with this Coronavirus, we have found that people are very fragile. I have never seen the fear level that is going on. In fact, Emma, what is God going to do on this show?

EMMA: Those of you who are with us, you are going to be delivered of fear. That is a really important thing because the Word of God says, “In the end times, when there’s wars and rumors of wars, do not be alarmed.” This is the moment where you’re not going to be alarmed. We are going to release the impartation of freedom and of courage and of hope and strength to you. But you’re also going to get a better understanding of why Coronavirus and what God is doing behind the scenes.

SID: Now, also, many of you are familiar with Tracy Cooke. On January 15th, 2020, I had Tracy Cooke on the show and he prophesized before anyone even knew anything about the Coronavirus. This is what he prophesied from that show.

TRACY: Now, God’s going to deal with the landscape of the church in 2020. He’s going to begin to unravel the grounds that you walk on and you’re going to start seeing a lot. Everything that can be shaken will be shaken in the next four months, even in 2020.

TRACY: But I encourage you as a prophetic force also, that remember, He’s going to expedite your prophecies, your visions, your dreams, your desires. You’re going to step out the carnal realm. You’re going to step into the spiritual realm. You want to come out of that place of defeat into victory. You’re going to start seeing nature preach and nature prophesy. That simply means there’re going to be broken records of weather patterns. You’re going to see God bring you out of a place of defeat or load of bard of depression to a place of victory.

TRACY: 2020 is the time. 2020 is not perfect vision. Perfect vision is 2010. 2020 means the hindsight. In other words, blind spots that you’ve not been able to see, God’s going to let you see it clearer. He’s going to bring clarification in your life. And unanswered prayers, He’s going to answer them in 2020. It’s going to be the sudden release of God.

TRACY: Remember, everything that can be shaken, within these next four months, you’re going to start seeing them. When you start seeing these certain weather patterns, record-breaking nature, you’re going to preach and prophesy and that means, he’s bringing awareness that we got to get our eyes back on Him. He’ll allow certain things to take place to get our attention.

SID: Though some of the things you have heard that is going on, you will never want to watch the regular news again. They don’t know anything. God knows everything.

EMMA: Yes.

SID: You know, Tracy, God has revealed to you, and look, no one knows what he’s about ready to say except God Himself. I am so glad that you’re watching this show, has revealed the source of the Coronavirus and the politicians involved, this is phenomenal. Tell us some of the things God is showing you.

CANDICE: Oh, the vats are amazing. Inside the mansion, not only is the royal banquet table to the right, but you go upstairs to like a royal suite that’s up there. And the royal suite in and of itself is gorgeous. A lot of royal blue velvet and gold, but beyond that is another set of stairs that goes up to vats. They’re heavenly vats from Hosea Chapter Two. And in those vats is wine, oil, grain, gold, silver, water, wool, flax, the commodities that we need to operate on the earth. Everything that we touch, Sid, this table, chairs, everything, it was first made in heaven, and then it was given to us as thoughts and ideas that we brought forth into the earth realm. So, everything in these vats is available to us today in accordance with the Word, Hosea Chapter Two.

CANDICE: When the nation of Israel repented—well those things were taken away from them, but when the nation of Israel repented, God gave back all of those things. And the Word says that Jezreel, who is him, God sows, is sowing those things back into the earth. And so it is available to us. We climb up the stairs in the spirit, grab the gold you need, grab the bread you need, the revelation, grab the wine you need, which is new opportunities, and grab that anointing oil and anything else you need. And you can go in for your friends and family, too.

SID: Help me out. I’m more of a feeling person than a seer, and I feel the presence or God on most guests, but I’m feeling something beyond the normal anointing. Do you know what I’m feeling?

CANDICE: Sid, I believe it’s the glory of God. It’s the Kabod, it’s the heaviness of the Lord. And when I speak on these scriptures, God makes this very tangible for people. It truly is something he wants people to grab ahold of. Faith is a substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. Hebrews 11, verse one, says that. But when someone’s been to these places, it becomes a part of their being. So, it’s a part of my DNA and it’s a part of who I am now. I can never be who I was before because I’ve been there with him and I didn’t want to come back.

SID: What is it going to do… Well first, number one, that’s wonderful that you had that encounter. It’s wonderful for you, but what about me? What about you?

CANDICE: Yes, yes, well see when God told me to come back, okay, this trip to the royal banquet table was later trips that I took. You’ll read in the book about how I was caught up to heaven. The Lord said to me, he said, “You can’t stay here with me. You have to go back.” I told him, I said, “I love my husband and my children, but I don’t want to go back.” And he said, “You have to go back because I need you to tell people what you’ve experienced.” But at that time, I hadn’t even yet experienced the royal banquet table or the fire angels or even begin to see angels.

CANDICE: All of that came later in my walk, for everyone. It’s purity of heart. You just have to have an authentic heart before God and say, “Lord, I love you and I want to be with you now. I don’t want to wait until my body is in the ground and my spirit and soul go to heaven. I want you now.” And he will answer that. And I believe, Sid, he’s answering that more and more now all over the world in so many different ways, but he wants his people to be set up for his return. Now, if you were Jesus and you were coming back, wouldn’t you want your people to have a taste of where they were going so that they could prepare themselves? So that they could be ready, so that they could be hungry? So that they could get their lives in order, so that they could begin to have a pure heart before you and learn to speak to you right, and learn to be a royal citizen?

LINDA: So I finally said, “Yes”. And I thought, “Okay, I got that over and he’s going to help me with that.” But he no sooner let me say, “Yes” that he came back with something else. Sid, he said to me, and it was absolutely with purest love, his words came with just such compassion. He says, “And Linda, I want you to embrace Ray as a son.” As a son.

SID: The man that brutally murdered her daughter. Embrace, not only forgive, but embrace as a son. You couldn’t do that.

LINDA: There was no way. There was no way. If I had not already been prepared to—

SID: You could have forgiven him, but you could not have embraced him as a son.

LINDA: No. No, I couldn’t. I didn’t want to do. I would love to tell you that I was this powerful woman of God that just immediately said, “Oh, yes. I’ll do anything you want,”, but that would be a lie. I sort of bantered back and forth in my Spirit. I never said, “No” but I thought, “No.” I’ll tell you, I thought, “No.” I thought, “No, no, no, no, no. We’re not doing this.”

LINDA: But I did finally say, “Yes, Lord. I know you would never ask me to do something you won’t help me to do”, and as soon as I did, I opened my mouth and said, “Yes, I will. Help me.” That’s exactly what I said. “Yes, I will. Help me.” And instantly, I was just overtaken with a river of grace unlike anything I had ever experienced before. I was so saturated. Even my blood cells and my tissues and my organs, everything knew I was overtaken with grace.

SID: After that grace came on you, you actually wrote a letter to Ray, that young man.

LINDA: I did. I did, I sat down that morning at the kitchen table and I wrote him a letter and I told him that I forgave him and I said a couple of other things about how I hoped that he would meet the Jesus that had enabled me to do that. And I sent that letter by the way of a pastor at the church that I was attending, the pastor in charge of Prison Ministry.

LINDA: And so that sort of began a thing in Ray’s life. Just many, many steps to many other things came along, too. The sentence was premeditated first degree murder. In the state of Florida, the only options for that are either life without parole or the death penalty. So the two attorneys called me, his attorney and the state attorney called me and they said, “This is what you have to choose from and what would you like, which would you prefer?” And I said, “Neither. I don’t want either.” And they thought, “Well, this poor woman just doesn’t understand the law. Let’s explain it again.” So they explained it again and said, “Okay, now which of these two do you want?” I said, “Neither.” I don’t want either—

SID: They didn’t know about the grace that came all over.

LINDA: No. I said, “No”—

SID: I don’t think she could have done that on her own. I don’t think you could have, Linda.

LINDA: I could not. I could not.

SID: I don’t think so.

LINDA: No, no, no. I could not. And so the state attorney, the prosecuting attorney said, “Well, we’re just going to have to call you back, Mrs. Markowitz, because we’re going to have to discuss this.” I said, “Well, just make sure you understand. I don’t want either sentence.”

LINDA: And so they called me back a little bit later and they offered me a couple of choices and I said, “No, this is what I want. I want him to have an eligibility for parole. I want him to pay for the crime. I want him to have the consequence, but I want him to have an eligibility for parole in a reasonable amount of time.”

LINDA: And they changed the sentence. They changed the sentence, Sid, because that’s the only way they could do that and give him what I asked for. They changed the sentence.

SID: And over the time he served, he became a very strong believer in the Messiah.

LINDA: He did.

SID: And not only did he become a strong believer in the Messiah, what does he call you?

LINDA: He calls me Mom. He calls me Mom.

SID: He served how many years?

LINDA: A little over 24. A little over 24 years. Yeah.

SID: I hope you told them.

TOM: I did.

SID: Especially those media.

TOM: I did. I told them it was the Holy Spirit, and then they were really confused.

SID: Okay. Well you had another sealed instruction, it was sheer Bible prophecy from Revelation 8.

TOM: Yeah. So this one was the most terrifying experience I’ve ever personally had, which conflicts with me because you know me Sid, I like to be positive, I like to talk about positive things, I like to be filled with hope. So approximately one year ago now, I went to bed, same scenario, 2:00 AM in the morning and all of a sudden I woke up into this panoramic, what almost like a film that’s playing out in front of me and I’m in the middle of it. And what I first thought I was looking at was a giant fiery dragon, deep up in space, moving, undulating like a serpent, racing towards the earth.

Then suddenly my point of view changed and now I was up above the object and I could see that it was not a fiery dragon, but rather it was a giant space rock, an asteroid. And the way it was turning as it was moving through the space and the light of the sun, was glistening off of the elements of the stone. It only gave it the appearance that it was moving back and forth.

TOM: Now, all of a sudden I’m back on earth again and now I am surrounded by literally tens of thousands of people and we are on a mountain and we are running for our lives and people everywhere are screaming and begging God to deliver them from what is coming. And I turn and I look over my shoulder and I can see this fiery mountain basically, this giant rock entering into the atmosphere, burning as it comes through the atmosphere, breaking apart as it comes through the atmosphere. A huge part of it strikes the ocean, a huge part of it strikes here and all of a sudden the earth is shaking so violently that none of us can stand up. We’re all knocked off of our feet. It was the most horrific thing. I can hear this terrible sound as if the earth is literally cracking, like the mantle of the earth is breaking apart. And now I’m looking back over my shoulder again and this giant wall of water, just an enormous tsunami, hundreds of feet tall coming up over the top of this mountain, and again, everybody’s trying to run.

TOM: Then these, what felt like large hands, come down underneath my arms and lift me up into space and now I’m looking down upon the earth. And here’s an important part about this entire thing. I’m not a scientist, I don’t know what would happen if an asteroid of that size were to impact the earth. But what I saw, I later found to be exactly how scientists describe what would transpire. With the water’s boiling beneath this giant burning rock, the aerosol coming up off of that, entering into the upper atmosphere, setting in motion hurricane activity. The second part, hitting the earth, causing a volcano to begin erupting, filling the atmosphere—

SID: So what you saw is what would actually happen, but you didn’t have the knowledge—

TOM: No I didn’t.

SID: Of what would actually happen from a scientific viewpoint, but you still saw it.

TOM: Yeah. And to use street lingo, it freaked me out, when I started doing the research. It really freaked me out.

SID: But I’ll tell you the thing that strikes me even stronger. You heard a name?

TOM: Yeah.

SID: What was the name?

TONY:  It’s gone? Show me what you can do with this? That’s as far as you can go? Do you believe God’s gonna do something now?

MAN #3:  Yes, sir.

TONY:  What’s happening with you?

MAN #2:  Still easing.

TONY:  What percentage of pain’s gone? What percentage is gone already? On a scale of 10 being the highest, zero being the lowest where you at?

Man #2:  5.

TONY:  Oh, you’re halfway there. You ready?

MAN #3:  Yes, sir.

TONY:  Hmmm. Does this hurt at all?

MAN #3:  Yes. It’s all connected.

TONY:  Does this hurt now?

MAN #3:  A little.

TONY:  Okay. Just tell me when the pain disappears. In the name of Jesus I call for a rotator cuff to be created in this man’s shoulder now. I command the pain and the reason for the pain go now. Umm. Ummm. First tell me when all pain’s gone.

MAN #3:  It’s gone.

TONY:  You ready to lift it now?

MAN #3:  Yes.

TONY:  Lift it.

AUDIENCE:  Whoooo! Whoooo! (CLAPPING)

TONY:  Do it again. Keep moving. Keep moving it. Keep moving it. Move it around. It’s getting looser. Somebody ought to give God a praise up in here. Somebody.

AUDIENCE:  (SHOUTING AND CLAPPING)

TONY:  What has happened?

MAN #3:  I can move it.

TONY:  You couldn’t do that before?

MAN #3:  Yes. They told me I had lost 49% of my arm use.

TONY:  When was the last time you were able to do that?

MAN #3:  Ummm, it’s been a while.

TONY:  Some years?

MAN #3:  Yes, it’s been some years.

TONY:  5, 10, 15?

MAN #3:  15 years.

TONY:  Somebody oughta give God a praise!

AUDIENCE:  (SHOUTING AND CLAPPING)

TONY:  Do it! No pain. And you had pain about 10 years?

Man #3:  24 hours a day.

TONY:  24 hours a day for the last 10 years?

MAN #3:  Yes, sir.

TONY:  And now it’s all gone?

MAN #3:  Yes, sir.

TONY:  Somebody oughta give God a praise. Where you at? Honest report. Where you at?

MAN #2:  About 75% better.

TONY:  I want you to just stand up here with me, okay. You can go praise Him. Stay with me. Now here this is gonna be interesting. I want everybody who stood for supernatural weight loss to stand again. Check yourself. And if you’re either lower, uh, looser up here or down there come up to the front. Everybody that stood up before, check yourself.  And whoever’s looser come forward. Don’t be a-scared.  Whoever’s looser come up. C’mon, c’mon up, come up here and stand beside me if you’re looser. I’m telling you God’s already— I’m telling you it’s happening right now. And some of you all don’t want to admit that you need to come. I’ve got two people up here. Anybody else? Looser?  Yeah I knew there was more than one person. Get up here, sister girl. Anybody else? Now here’s what’s crazy. Here’s what’s crazy. While they’re talking some of you gonna get looser. Oh, you, you’re up here? Anybody else? You’re looser? Uh, I want you to put, uh, uh, if you can put your shirt tail in. God’s doing something over there but— come close, come close, yeah, please— Put your shirt tail in. If you can put your shirt tail in. I’m standing in front, you know. Put your shirt— Yeah, yeah. Umm, you get to go first and stand sideways. Stand sideways and show them how it was before. How tight, and I want you to tell the truth.

WOMAN #8:  Well I’ll tell you what. It was tighter. It still has a ways more to go so I’m still trusting the Lord but I’m praising Him because it’s looser.

TONY:  It is looser?

WOMAN #8:  It is looser.

TONY:  How much looser?

WOMAN #8:  Do I know how much? Well you can see that I have some room in my pants.

TONY:  That you didn’t have before.

WOMAN #8:  That I didn’t have before. I mean I need some more room.  A little—

TONY:  Oh, no, no. We’re gonna pray for you girl—

WOMAN #8:  Yeah, but I’m saying I’m trusting Him—

TONY:  Oh, no, no, no, no. I want a man to stand behind her.

WOMAN #8:  That’s why, that’s why I—

TONY:  No, no, no, no, no, no, no. No, no, no— It’s a good start.

WOMAN #8:  Okay—

TONY:  Close your eyes. Say “Jesus.”

WOMAN #8:  Jesus.

TONY:  “I receive more.”

WOMAN #8:  I receive more.

JOHN: So the next day, it was a Sunday, I was in my church. I felt led to really, really minister deliverance at the end of my message and as I did this, everyone in the church started manifesting even the elders and leaders that were going to assist the other people. They started dropping on the floor. It was unbelievable. I never seen anything like that in my life.

SID: Are you special or can every believer walk in that kind of authority?

JOHN: Well, Jesus said in scripture that one of the signs of them that believe, one of the first things he said was, cast out devils. They shall cast out devils. Any believer can cast out devils. You don’t have to be a deliverance minister, a prophet, apostle. If you’re a believer, you can cast out devils. That’s one of the signs. It shows you are believer in the messiah.

SID: Just between the two of us, most Christians seem to be afraid of the devil. It should be the other way around.

JOHN: Absolutely. Absolutely. He’s a defeated foe. Luke 10 and 19 says, behold, I give unto you power to tread on serpents and scorpions and over all the power of the enemy. One version says he gives you authority to destroy Satan’s power, so we have to walk in that authority and believe it. Speak it. Declare it. Decree it. The devil is under our feet. He’s a defeated foe. We give them too much power, too much access in our lives, but he is defeated already by the wonderful work of Jesus Christ on the cross.

SID: And you know this is so important for you to understand this whole area of deliverance. It’s not an emphasis, but it’s part of the package because shortly millions of young people are going to come to the Lord. We’re going to have the greatest move of God’s plan. And when they come to the Lord…I was messed up big time when I came to the Lord, but they’re even messed up more, if that’s possible. They’re into more stuff than I even imagined it was possible to be into and they’re going to need to be set free and they’re not going to have to go to a deliverance specialist. That’s part of the package.

SID: So that same presence of God on you, that drives the devil nuts. It’s on what you teach. It’s on your books. You are going to have to understand that you can’t go running to some pastor somewhere and knock on his door at midnight. “I need help”. You’re the one that God….. the Jesus in you is as strong is the Jesus in me and the Jesus in John. Now one of the things you’ve said that I thought was pretty interesting, you said when we identify the strongest demon…into something you describe it like a heavy ball and chain. What happens? That was fascinating.

JOHN: Mark 3 and 27 talks about binding the strong man and then being able to plunder his goods in his house. So I believe that with effective deliverance we need to go for the strong man. Jesus went in for Legion and he got rid of all those demons and so a lot of times we waste a lot of time going for minorly demons and I mean say someone has a thousand demons in them, it’s going to take more than a lifetime, a couple of lifetimes to get them totally delivered. But if we can get that head demon, that chief demon, we can get him out. It’s just like a ball and chain analogy. If I take a ball and chain, I throw it off a bridge and anything that’s attached to it that’s lighter than it, it’s going to go over. So when we get this big, chief demon, this heavy demon to get out of a person, all the other demons that are connected to them are going to go too. And then that way you have a effective, full deliverance.

SID: What he has been taught step by step by God. He’s put in his teaching and in his books and you told me you had such resistance when you did this book. You know why he had such resistance? Because the devil knew that you were going to read this and listen to this teaching and you were going to be just like Jesus in front of someone with a demon. John will pray for the spirit of fear, sickness and failure to leave when we return. Be right back.

SID: I’m here with Donna Rigney, and Donna has been taken many times to heaven and to hell. Just a little bit more. The room in hell with instruments of torture. What was that like?

DONNA: That was really graphic and gruesome to see. Whenever the Lord brought me to hell, it was a just an awful sight to see. And he told me, he said, “It’s necessary,” he said, “I know you don’t want to come here, but it’s necessary for you to see this because I want my people to know all about hell, that it is a reality, that there is such a place as hell. I want you to understand the tactics of the enemy to hurt my people so that you can tell my children. So my children will be warned.”

DONNA: And so one of the days he brought me to this place and it was a room full of instruments of torture. There were braces to put around people’s heads and tighten them up. There were spikes to drive down people’s spines. There are all kinds of saws and pickaxes, different things like that, hanging all over the room. And then I saw a demon come in. Demons, more than one, come in, grab some of these things and rush out of the room. And so then in an instant, like you snapped your finger, I was from that room down to a city street. I was overlooking a city street in the United States. And I saw these demons riding on people’s shoulders. I saw them driving spikes down people’s backs and people, the look on their face, they were in so much pain. And the Lord said to me—

SID: Well, what good is a pain pill if it could be caused by a demon? The pain pill doesn’t get rid of the deal.

DONNA: No, no, no. And the Lord said to me, “What you’re seeing, you’re seeing with your spiritual eyes, you cannot see this with your natural eyes.” He said, “but I’m showing you this with your spiritual eyes. This is true.” And then I saw some people that had braces around their heads, and the demons were tightening them and tightening them, and the people’s faces were grimacing with pain. They were having terrible headaches. And it was… And the demons were laughing. This was just the greatest thrill, the more pain they were causing. Then I saw chains coming down off of people, and some had balls hanging on the chain, they were walking along, ball and chain.

DONNA: And then I saw little children and the little children were walking beside their parents. Most of the children did not have any chains on them, they were free. But some of the children, the chains were coming down off the parents and getting on the children’s shoulder. A couple of children had smaller chains and small ball and they were walking along. And what the Lord told me was that what was happening was that the parents were word cursing their children. The parents saying, “You are a… Everybody in our family has cancer. You are going to have cancer too.” Or, “You never listen, you never behave, you’re never going to become anything.” These were then coming off the parents and getting on the children and the children are getting in chains. And the Lord told me, he said, “What’s causing my children to get into bondage is sin and their words.” Sin is a trap of the enemy and their words are the device the enemy uses to attack my children.