Sid Roth

DAVID: Well, it all begins with oneness with the Holy Spirit. First Corinthians chapter six, verse 17 says, “He that is joined to the Lord is one spirit with him.” When I pray, I’m not praying to connect with God. I’m praying from connection with God. I pray from that confident place, knowing that I already have his ear. I tell people, “Imagine how much time you could save, if instead of begging God to hear you, you simply believe that he already did.” Jesus began by saying, “Our father who art in heaven.” Not, “God, please hear me.” He came from this place of confidence. That confidence being that oneness. That oneness coming from surrender. People often ask me, “How do I get more of the Holy Spirit?” And I tell them, “The good news is you can’t get more of the Holy Spirit because all he is or ever shall be dwells in fullness the moment you receive Christ as savior.”

DAVID: And so it’s not a matter of me getting more of the Holy Spirit. It’s a matter of the Holy Spirit getting more of me. Surrendering to that One as John 3:30, I must decrease, but he must increase, allowing him to overtake every aspect of my being. I think of Enoch. And the scripture says Enoch walked with God and he was not for God took him.

SID: Is that going to happen to you?

DAVID: I say, yes. I said, Lord, I want to be a was-not. I want to be a tear in the fabric of time and space to which he turned into Himself and step into the creation. I want to be that empty place, that portal, that carrier of the glory. The lack of something that allows the Holy Spirit to fill. We often say, “I want to be filled with the Holy Spirit.” But the Holy Spirit cannot fill someone who is full of themselves. And so as we empty ourselves and say, “God, fill me and take over every aspect of who I am. I want you to take over everything to where my presence becomes your presence.”

DAVID: Our body is the temple of the Holy Spirit. Look throughout all the scripture. And very rarely do you see the Holy Spirit revealed in physical form. That’s because you and I are the physical manifestation of the Holy Spirit’s presence. You don’t have to go looking for an atmosphere when you are an atmosphere. You don’t have to go seeking his presence, when you carry that presence. I am an atmosphere of heaven. I am a carrier of the glory. When you walk into rooms, demons start to tremble. When you walk into rooms, sickness starts to lose its grip on physical bodies, because of that oneness with his presence that flows with who he is living in, that rhythm of heaven saying, “Holy Spirit, take all of me.”

SID: Give me an example, you had ministered, the lady with paralysis.

DAVID: Well, there’s something that the Holy Spirit’s been doing in our ministry. And while we see many miracles, I’ve told you, we see a lot of paralysis healed for some reason. And so I was ministering on the East Coast. And I remember—

SID: Jesus saw a lot of paralysis healed.

DAVID: Yes, sir.

SID: So why should we?

DAVID: I like to say, there’s not something special about me. There’s someone special about me. That’s the Holy Spirit. And so it’s his work. And so I remember I was ministering on the East Coast and I’m walking into the church through the foyer. I’m walking past joyful greeters as they welcomed me into the church. And I’m shaking hands with different people. But one woman caught my eye. She was leaning on her cane and I can tell that she was struggling to move about the foyer. And she reached out to shake my hand. I remember seeing such joy on her face. It was like, it hadn’t even phased her. She was ready for a miracle. She was in the place of faith.

KATIE: Yeah. See, it’s like we’re building a divine protection, a divine canopy of protection against the enemy.

SID: ….the grace can’t come in if you don’t repent.

KATIE: That’s right. You have to do grace and repentance. There’s a scripture in Matthew 5:4 that talks about when. We will receive and be refreshed by God’s grace when we mourn over our sins and repent. Our repentance releases grace.

So when we repent of our sins, it dismisses our law-breaking. When we release grace, it causes this Holy Spirit bubble to come around us that the enemy cannot penetrate. So he cannot continue to keep on accusing us of our law-breaking in order to put the spirit of death to work in our bodies.

SID: Now did the spirit of death just leave? What happened to all these conditions that were going on in your life?

KATIE: As I kept on with just getting in the presence of Jesus, just worshiping him, his authority over death began to be released. Any time I messed up, I went right away to repent so that my lawlessness would be dismissed. As I did that and kept on decreeing grace scriptures, it’s like I built a thicker and thicker bubble of divine protection around me.

Then one by one, step by step, death started to withdraw his actions, his operation in my body, on my ministry, on my marriage, on every part of my life. Pretty soon, everything was being systematically restored. I was starting to get younger, starting to feel better. My marriage got better and better. Our finances—

SID: What do you mean by younger?

KATIE: Younger. I see people today … In fact, I just went in and saw my facialist for the first time in years. I don’t get professional things done to me anymore, because I’m waiting for that supernatural … I’m relying on the supernatural, and that’s what’s happening.

I walked in to see her the other day, because I thought, well, maybe I’ll get a little facial before I go to Sid’s. She looked at me. She goes, “I can’t believe it.” I said, “What?” She goes, “You look so much younger than you did even 10 years ago when I first met you.” I said, “It’s the Lord. It’s the Lord.”

SID: You know, one of the things that … You’re hearing this, and you’re questioning it. I was amazed at the scriptures you found to support what you’re saying. Tell us a couple.

KATIE: Well, here’s the thing. Jesus, he defeated death. Grace defeats death—and repentance. There’s a story in Job 33. You and I talked about it. You said you love this scripture of this guy. He’s so sick. It says he’s in continual pain on his bed. His bones are sticking out. His flesh is clinging to his body.

The Bible tells us why this was happening to him. In that Job 33 scriptures, it says that he was under the assault of the quote inflictors of death, the destroyers. So it was death that was doing that to him, the spirit of death. Okay?

So what does God do about it? Next verses, it says, “Then God is gracious to him.” Gracious. That’s the power of grace. “For he has said, ‘Deliver this man from the pit. I have given him an atonement, a price of redemption and a sacrifice.'” That’s Jesus. “‘Because of that, then his flesh shall become fresher than a child’s and he shall return to the days of his youth.'”

 NATASHA: In His love for you. Then He brings you to where you belong, to a place where you belong. Then He lays hands on a sick woman. That’s radical. He breaks some more rules and traditions in order to help.

DONNA: And by now all eyes are on Him.

NATASHA: Yes.

DONNA: Yes. Everyone is watching to see what’s going to happen.

NATASHA: Absolutely. He touches her. He loves you. He wants to touch you. He wants to heal you. Then He heals her. He sets her free. He rebukes your opposers. And this is what Jesus did on the cross. He rebuked, He conquered the devil. He conquered sicknesses. He lifts her status in the society, in the community, in the synagogue by calling her the daughter of Abraham. I mean, a woman was never called a daughter of Abraham.

DONNA: Um hmmm

NATASHA: It referred only to men. I mean, He literally, physical healing for God, for Jesus, it was always more than a physical healing. It was always about, also, emotional restoration. It’s a restoration of your dignity, of your value, lifting your status up in that society.

DONNA: Yes. Yes. Sure. Yeah.

NATASHA: That’s why He engaged in conversation with people before He would heal them. And then, I liked what Jesus said. Satan bound that woman. Because usually this phrase is used to teach that, you know, Jesus pointed to the source of the sickness. It’s true. But also, He wanted to let everybody know, it’s not her fault.

DONNA: Oh.

NATASHA: Because usually a religion blames people for, you know, being in the situation where they are. God doesn’t blame you. He doesn’t put guilt. He lifts that guilt from you. He says it’s not your fault. And then, of course, He reaches out to her. He lifts her. He heals her. And then we see the response of people. Faith is increased. So when we see how God is kind to someone, our faith is stirred.

DONNA: Yes.

NATASHA: And we open our hearts to God.

DONNA: Sure. Would you take just a moment right here, before we go to break? I am sure. I know it. I feel it. There are so many people watching that may be dealing with some type of sickness, and they’ve been led to believe you’re in sin, or you’re not doing something right, or you’re not praying right, or you’re not repenting enough, or whatever. Will you speak to them just for a moment before we go?

NATASHA: Yes. Well, I would like to tell you to just switch your focus from what you need to do, what you must do. Just switch your focus to what God has already done for you. He is here. He is with you. He may be in you. He loves you. He removes all guilt from your life. You know, we all make mistakes. It’s not a problem for God. He invites you to come where you belong. Just respond to Him, to His kindness, to His goodness. He touches you. Right now He touches you. He lifts every burden. He lifts every sickness. In fact, He already paid the greatest price so you could be free from sickness, from emotional burden. Just trust Him. And He calls you a daughter of Abraham, a child of God. He lifts your status. You are not just someone without hope. He lifts you to the place where you belong. And I tell you, you will have a testimony that will stir the faith of many people, and encourage them to trust God, just like you are doing now.

DONNA: Yes. Wow. Woo. [music]

NATASHA: Amen. Amen.