Sid Roth

SID: You know, David, looking back, you really were sabotaged. You really had no chance in life. I mean, your Russian Jewish father walks out when you’re, what, one year of age, and he was addicted to gambling. And then your mother remarries to a pastor and the pastor gets drunk on Saturday night and preaches on Sunday, and slaps you around. You should have been, you should have hated all religion. That’s what you were being set up for, I believe.

 

DAVID: Yes. Actually the enemy was on me before I knew there was an enemy, and from the beginning of my life it was up to destroy what now I know that God was going to do in my life. But the plans of God can never be defeated, so here I am today. And what doesn’t kill us makes us stronger. The very curses that the enemy thought he was putting on me, God used at, Romans 8:28, “For my blessing.” Because I hated phoniness and hypocrisy, and I couldn’t stand it. That became my greatest blessing coming into a miracle ministry where I won’t exaggerate and won’t have phoniness in my life.

 

SID: Okay. So 14 years after you get born from above you had a revelation from God and you start a Bible study in this mega-million-dollar business that you have. And your wife then says, “You should have him counsel you on some of that.” I mean, you went through a lot of stuff and you need a counselor, especially because of the interpersonal relationships that were so wounded throughout your life. And so you make a meeting appointment with this pastor that’s running the Bible study in your business, and what happened?

 

DAVID: Yes. And by the way, my wife said to me, she said, “Go see that pastor. He can break that off your life.” And I’m thinking, what it is an icicle or a barnacle, you’re going to break it off my life? What is that? And, but it took me about three months before I’d go see him.

 

SID: And by the way, how skeptical were you of miracles?

 

DAVID: Because of the phoniness and the things that I had seen and people that said things in the name of Jesus or God I didn’t hear anything anyone had to say because all I had known was phoniness, so I was very, very skeptical about other things that were not real. I basically, I was like Thomas. I had to see it and know it, otherwise I couldn’t believe it.

 

SID: Even though it was in the Bible, you still had to see it and know it.

 

DAVID: Absolutely. There was no way, because I believe Jesus was right, the people representing him I don’t think were so right.

 

SID: Okay. So what happened when you got together with this pastor?

 

DAVID: So I go to meet with this pastor. I’m thinking it’s another counseling session and I always have all the right things to say. If you’re happy with your life today you got to be happy that happened to you to make you this way. I knew all the right things and felt I was doing fine. But I told my wife, I said, “I think God wants to do something in my life and something is holding me back. I think it’s my past.” So what happens is I go see this pastor. I’m thinking it will be a counseling session. He doesn’t let me speak a word. He opens up the Bible. He shows me all the verses for two hours for the baptism of the Holy Spirit and tells me all these things.

 

Pastor: Suddenly a sound like that of a roaring, rushing wind…

 

DAVID: And afterwards he says, “What do you think?”

 

Pastor: What do you think?

 

DAVID: I’m worn out. I’m exhausted. I said, “I think you wore me out. I’m exhausted.” He goes,

“No, what do you think?”

 

DAVID: I said, “I always have two prayers. One is Jesus, I want to know you better, and the other is, I always said, Jesus I want all that you have for me. He goes, “That’s good enough for me. Stand up, hold up your hands and I’m going to pray for you.”

 

SID: Had you ever held up your hands like King David said, “I lift holy hands to…”?

 

DAVID: Never, never. I came from a very conservative background.

 

SID: Okay.

 

DAVID: So anyway, what happens is this pastor, I stand up, hold up my hands, he prays for me. At first, he starts praying things that he knew about my life no one could have ever told him or he didn’t know. I didn’t know at the time, but it’s called a word of knowledge. So then as he’s praying, this power of God goes right through me. I didn’t know what it was, but I’ll give you the example. When I lived in Buffalo, growing up it was cold. If you go into a restaurant and they opened the door in the winter, a draft would blow through you, your jacket and you would feel cold. Well this was the same thing. It was like a draft that blew through me, except it was on the inside of my body. So I feel this and I’m saying, what is that? As I’m thinking about this draft, all of a sudden this pastor says to me, “What do you know about healing?” I said, “I know it happens in the Bible.” He goes, “No, no, it happens today.” I literally said, “No disrespect, Pastor, I’ll believe it when I see it.” He goes, “You won’t see it, you’ll do it.” I said, “Why don’t I just see it first and then we’ll talk about doing.” That was the end. But I want to tell you, this is how skeptical, and he prayed for me. It was amazing. I went home that night, I thought, this pastor tricked me. He had me hold my hands up so long that my body went numb and that’s why I had that feeling.

 

SID: But you felt something.

 

DAVID: But I thought it was the devil telling me no way.

 

SID: You know that devil is diabolical.

 

DAVID: You know, he is and I didn’t know that at the time, which made it worse. So many people, I was like, when people talked about the devil, you know, I said if people would pull themselves up by their bootstraps and stop blaming the devil they’d be just fine. I didn’t believe that stuff. And the funny thing is I still tell people today, that’s still partially true. Sometimes people are so busy messing up their own lives it’s not the devil. But the truth is I fight the enemy all the time, and we’ll get to that, I’m sure.

 

SID: Okay. But what I’m interested in right now is something happened with all that garbage over all those years, all the hurts and wounding.

 

DAVID: Well let me tell you because this is key. So the first miracle was actually a healing of my past. I had so many stories. My daughter at six years old could tell you everything that happened to me. I would tell the story every night. My wife would tell you she was so sick. If we went to a restaurant, a waiter offered fish, I wouldn’t just say no, thank you, I’d say, “My grandmother shoved fish down my throat all my life and made me sit there while it was cold for ten hours. She died and I won’t forget it.” I had such an issue from my past. Here’s what happened. The minute he prayed, literally, half of the stories from my past I couldn’t even remember, they were erased. The other half, it was as if, I’ll give you the example. If you were in Vietnam watching your friends getting shot in the trenches versus if you were at a home, you didn’t know anyone over there and you were reading about it in the newspaper, you have all the facts, but there’s no emotion. From that day until now, my past has never come up again.

 

SID: But beyond that, he got a gift, a supernatural gift of healing. The whole thing that he thought was phony baloney, he now has. He gets healed two times himself and then he heals a prominent NFL football player. And I want you to share, and this is so important, the most important secret that you have learned to walk in everything the Bible says you can walk in, every promise is yours. Yours. We’ll be right back.

AUDIENCE:  (APPLAUSE)

 

JENNIFER:  God has been teaching us amazing secrets on how He created us and also how science and the supernatural collide.

 

DENNIS:  Actually that’s the two of us. She’s the science. I’m the supernatural.

 

AUDIENCE:  (LAUGHTER AND CLAPPING)

 

DENNIS:  And we’re going to collide and then express that collision all over you.

 

AUDIENCE:  Glory to God. Thank You, Lord.

 

JENNIFER:  Let me start out by painting a picture for you. I want you to imagine being in the desert with the children of Israel. They have come out of Egypt to mighty deliverance and God parted a way through the Red Sea and then swamped their enemies with the waves and they drowned the Egyptian army in the waves. They come out on the other side. They experience the miracle of the healing of water at Marah. This is the first time God revealed Himself as the healer. And then God continues to unfold His plans. And Moses begins to cry out for the glory of God. And God comes. He sends the rays of His glory to Mount Sinai. But the children of Israel said you can go up Moses because we’re afraid. But Moses boldly went up and spent 40 days and nights being immersed in the glory of God. And when he came down out of that mountain the skin of his face had been so transformed that he glowed with such a light that the children of Israel were terrified. What is this that has happened to him? And so he put a veil over his face because they were afraid to come near him. Now let’s go to science. What physical mechanism did God put in Moses’ body that allowed him to be so transformed by the glory? It appears that according to recent scientific discoveries our cells are made for the glory of God. Amazing secrets. God formed you for health, spiritual, emotional and physical.

 

AUDIENCE:  (CLAPPING) Whoo!

 

JENNIFER:  And then we have Psalm 103 our covenant of healing that says our healer heals all our diseases. Now I want to tell you another secret. The divine healer Himself lives in your heart. Jesus Himself said the kingdom of God is within you. That means the glories of the kingdom are within us. That means the glory is in us. The same glory that transformed the cells of Moses. Now let me tell you about your cells. On the surface of your cells is the cell membrane. That cell membrane is fascinating scientifically and spiritually. First of all that cell membrane has receptors that pick up all environmental signals that are impacting that cell whether its nutritional information, whether it’s emotional information, whether it’s information of about who you are, your identity and spiritual information. As born again children of God through your emotions and the Holy Spirit working within you, your life story is told on the surface of each one of your cells. Who you’ve become is reflected on your cells. The more you know God the more your new creation identity rises to the surface. That is written on your cells!

AUDIENCE:  Whoooa!

 

JENNIFER:  Eventually by the time you’re in heaven your cells are going to be so impacted by the new creation identity and the glory of God that you will live in a glorified body for all eternity! That’s what God created you for.

 

DENNIS:  We can start now, can we?

 

JENNIFER:  We can. On your cells too there are gates and channels that open according to the environmental information and then draw the information into the interior of the cell and that changes the cells and then when the cell divides that information is passed on to its offspring and that new cell offspring learns more about God and that’s transmitted to the next offspring. So you see we’re continually being changed. You cannot spend time in the presence of God without being changed emotionally, spiritually and spiritually!

 

AUDIENCE:  Glory to God! Yeah! (CLAPPING)

 

DENNIS:  Think about that for a while. You can soak in that.

 

AUDIENCE:  Yes. Yes.

 

JENNIFER:  We however can sabotage the process. Who thinks that maybe we humans can mess up things sometimes? Maybe interfere with God. Maybe not believe God. Maybe limit what God could do in our lives. You remember when Jesus went into some towns that the people said oh, that’s just Joseph’s son. And He could do no mighty miracles in those places. So we can limit God. Now I’m going to give you some secrets that we’ve learned. Do you know what writes the information of your life on your cells? Your emotions. Your emotions are not mental concepts. Your emotions are transmitted through your entire body through tiny molecules of emotion called, here’s a big word, neuropeptides. You can just call them molecules of emotion. When those impact our cells our cells read that signal and we experience it as an emotion. Now scientists know, it is well proven, that even in an unsaved person, that good emotions promote good health. Negative emotions promote sickness and disease. Now remember our life story is written in our cells. Our biography becomes our biology. So anything that we don’t deal with that comes from the enemy, and by the way where do you think negative emotions came from?

 

AUDIENCE:  The enemy.

 

JENNIFER:  Right. And the negative emotions give the enemy legal ground to bring diseases into our body. So the traumas of childhood if undealt with by forgiveness, our key for removing negative emotions, the disease, the negative emotions of childhood can become the diseases of adulthood. But we’re going to tell you how to sabotage what the enemy has been trying to do in your life. We are going to give you the keys today because Jesus has given us the way to, through forgiveness, wash out those negative emotions of even things we’ve forgotten about. But negative emotions, our emotions don’t die they just get buried alive and go under the surface so it doesn’t matter if we’ve forgotten them. It’s… so our heart and our emotions hidden in our cells are continually whispering their message to our entire body but Jesus wants to set you free. He wants to tell you how to remove those barriers to your health and He wants to take you from needing healings to walking in a place of divine health. It is the children’s bread. It is our covenant with God!

 

AUDIENCE:  (CLAPPING)

AUDIENCE:  (LAUGHTER)

 

ART:  Yeah. So separate yourself from that thinking. Set aside the thorn in the flesh thing. That’s not for you. If you’ve had all kinds of crazy revelations of heaven that are too wonderful to share then sure you’re allowed to have one if you want to. It’s okay?

 

AUDIENCE:  (LAUGHTER)

 

ART:  But until you’ve had that I’m not letting you claim it. All right? So that’s the deal. Now another one. Jacob’s limp. What about Jacob? He limped for the rest of his life and it was a blessing. Did you know that’s nowhere in the Bible? Did you know that? I searched backwards and forwards could not find anything that said Jacob limped for the rest of his life. What I did find the reason we believe it is because Jacob wrestles with that angel. Right? And some believe that is was actually a pre-incarnate Jesus that he wrestled with and he wrestles with Him until I want that blessing. Right? And then the blessing was a dislocated hip or something like that, we think. But whatever happened it says that as the sun rose over Peniel, Jacob stumbled. He limped or halted says the King James. The Greek word there literally means “stumbled” in fact everywhere else that it’s used in the Old Testament to describe an action it’s translated “stumbled” but to describe a person it’s translated “lame.” Okay? And then the other verse we have is that at the end of his life at 140 years old it says he leaned on his staff and blessed his sons. And people say well he leaned on his staff. That meant he must have limped his whole life. Moses had a staff. We don’t think he limped. Elijah had a staff. We don’t think he limped. It was a sign of authority. And if you’re 140 years old I expect you to be leaning on a staff. Right?

 

AUDIENCE:  (LAUGHTER)

 

ART:  There’s no scripture verse that says he limped for the rest of his life. You see every one of these questions we have can be brought to the scripture. You can study it out and you’ll find out none of them are true. All these arguments we’ve had you can wipe them away. Paul leaving Timothy, or leaving Trophimus sick in Miletus. Well guess what? Paul had a mission. I’ve got friends who I’ve prayed for hundreds of times. They’re still not healed and I have a mission and I’ve going to leave them where they are and go minister at a church somewhere and it’s heart breaking but it has to happen. It doesn’t mean God doesn’t want to heal them. Just cause someone’s not healed doesn’t mean God doesn’t want it. In fact Second Peter 3: 9, I believe it is, says that God wills that none should perish and that all would come to repentance. But we know from scripture that some people perish in hell and don’t repent. So God’s will is not always done. God’s will is that none should perish yet some people perish. Jesus taught us to pray “Your kingdom come. Your will be done on earth just like it is in heaven.” Why would we have to pray that His will would be done if it’s always done? Romans 12:2: “Be transformed by the renewing of your mind. Then you’ll be able to test and approve what God’s will is. His good, pleasing and perfect will.” Why would you need to test and approve what His will is if everything that happens is His will? You just kind of take it for granted. But if you’ve going to say umm, is that His will? Yup. Yup. Yup. He does want to heal people. Is that is His will? Like you’re walking across some rope bridge in a movie that always falls. Right? We know how this goes. But you’re testing and approving every board. See? Jesus wants you to know His will. That’s why you have to be transformed by the renewing of your mind. That’s why we’re doing this teaching. So that the Holy Spirit can get into your brain and take out those arguments and you can just rise up with faith and say no, no, no. Jesus wants this! The reason I’m so convinced that He wants it is that He paid the price for it. You don’t pay for something you don’t want. If you were to go to Walmart and buy the biggest big screen TV they have and they deliver it to your house cause it’s too big to fit in your car and you open up that box and it’s empty? You’re going back to Walmart. You know like give me my money or give me my TV! Right? There’s no way you’re settling for that. If you paid for it you want it!

 

AUDIENCE:  That’s right!

 

ART:  Did Jesus pay a high price for healing?

 

AUDIENCE:  Yes, He did!

 

ART:  He wants it. And He paid a much higher price than a measly few thousand dollars for a stinking TV. You know? Our Jesus is amazing. He wants it. In fact First John 2:2 tells us that He paid not only for our sins as believers but also for the sins of the whole world. That doesn’t mean every single person on the planet is saved but it means every person’s paid for. You pay for what you want. You see? God wills that none should perish. You pay for what you want. He paid for all. Do you see how that works? You can go to even someone who doesn’t believe in Jesus and minister healing to them. He wants it. He wants it. He wants it. Now I want to just look at a few more things. He’s the Lord our Healer. That’s proof that it’s His nature to heal. I mean He’s called “Jehovah Shalom.” The Lord our Peace. Does His peace have limits? You know? Is He ever not peaceful? “Jehovah Tsidkenu,” He is Righteous. Is He ever not righteous? No. So “Jehovah Rapha,” the Lord our healer. Is there ever a time when He is not offering healing? It’s His nature. It’s who He is. You can’t separate Him from His nature. Now, since this is part of His nature it is something that naturally flows from Him. Healing’s been purchased for everyone once and for all. Therefore it should come as no surprise that absolutely anyone can be healed by the Lord our Healer. It’s His nature and we’ve been given access to His nature through knowing Jesus Christ. So Second Peter 1:4 says that “Through God’s glory and goodness He has given us His very great and precious promises so that through them YOU may participate in the divine nature and escape the corruption in the world caused by evil desires.” In other words not only is healing part of God’s nature, but through knowing Christ His healing power naturally becomes part of your own nature. Because you’ve been given to participate in the divine nature!