Sid Roth

KYNAN: Welcome back. I’m so excited to be here with Shawn Bolz. We’re talking about the secrets of God for every single believer. And before the break, Shawn, we were talking about God divulging the secrets of his heart. But I want to ask you a question and you can be honest with me. We’re the only ones here, so you can tell me the truth. Does God always give you good words about people? Are they always sweet and mushy or are they kind of hard to release sometimes?

 

SHAWN: I think it’s both. I have a four and a two-year-old, so like sometimes, with my daughters, good love is also saying, no, you have to do this. There is course correction. There is building. And I remember my friend Ona [sp] and I went to Puerto Rico and we were ministering in a series of churches that were set up by a manager. And one of the churches we went into, I walked in there and I was so tired because there had been like 13 services in five days. And I was so tired, and I walked in the church, and I looked at the pastor, and I told my best friend Ona that pastor is having a [affair] right there. And we got to address this. I can’t preach this until we address it. We had to clear this out because we were given, I don’t know, what would you do? It’s not my normal to go see people’s sin, but I felt like God was showing me out of a place of grace and mercy for this whole church. He wanted to recover a church. And I feel like we throw around these charismatic buzz words, like I’m going to be a gatekeeper. Well when you’re a gatekeeper you’re closing the gates of Hell, not just opening the gates of Heaven.

 

KYNAN: Oh that’s so good. That’s good.

 

SHAWN: So asked the elders, I said, I went up to the woman who was hosting us, and I said, “Can you go find out, elders, and bring the pastor in, to return during worship time.” We got there a few minutes late. And so we all went back to the office and it was just the two elders and the two accountability people, and the pastor, and Ona and I. And I looked at him and I said, “Do you want to tell them you’re not a prophetic guy in your church. Do you want to tell them what I’m seeing, or do you want to tell them what I’m seeing about this woman?” And he said, he immediately goes, “I’m having an affair. I’m so sorry.” And begins to unfold the two-year history of this and they started to minister to that and deal with that as well, and try and create a plan. And I was like, okay, we’re going to leave now, because I didn’t know what to do. I’m like, “We’re going to leave now.” They said, “No, God loves our church. He loves everybody. Please stay and minister.” And it was so hard to take the stage then, but I could feel like a Father’s love, like the Father gave me the revelation because he loved the church.

 

KYNAN: Wow, that’s good.

 

SHAWN: So I immediately stepped into that place. Even this pastor had that [unintelligible]. I had stepped in that place of love and the church is doing really well now.

 

KYNAN: I love the restoration God speaks to us to restore and that’s so important. Tell me about the girl in the coffee shop.

 

SHAWN: That’s so cool. It was just a little bit ago. I was walking. I live in Studio City and so it’s where a lot of entertainment type people are. And I went to a coffee shop there and it’s totally full of people in that time of the morning. And she already ordered, so she’s way over there and I’m over here, and I go, “Hey you, you right there.” And she goes, “Me?” And she thought maybe I knew her or something. And the whole place turns into a reality TV show. Everyone is, what’s going on? And I said, “Hey, I just heard from God and he said get the script out of the trash can.” She goes, “What?” And I said, “Get the script out of the trash can. You heard me.” And she goes, “What are you saying?” And I said, “Get the screenplay out of the trash can now. God gave that to you. Don’t throw it away.” And she’s like, “No, this can’t be happening!” She’s screaming and freaking out, and the whole place is like starts clapping. It’s like, what’s happening. She goes, “This is my last copy. I’m leaving right now. I’ve deleted everything off my hard drive. I have one more screenplay I’m about to throw in the trash can right now. That’s my last copy.” And she goes, “This can’t be. I’m leaving because nothing is open for me here.” And I said, “Well God apparently loves your screenplay and he loves your writing gift, and you’re about to give up your destiny.” And she’s weeping.

 

KYNAN: Wow. Shawn, how can we begin to move in words of knowledge? You said it’s for everybody. I mean, you said that it’s not just for the superstars. It’s not just for the Shawn Bolz’s and all the famous ministers. But how can we, the average person, move in words of knowledge?

 

SHAWN: I think it’s a love based approach. So when you look at the people, first yourself, your immediate family, your friends that you love the most, you start to ask God, what are your thoughts about them, and then you start to pay attention to those downloads. A lot of people are waiting to hear, “This is the voice of God.” But the reality is that we share the same head space with God. It says in First Corinthians 2:16 that “We have the mind of Christ,” which means that when you’re reading the Bible for a life application, a scripture comes along and you’re like that’s me. Well you’re not that smart. That came from the Holy Spirit.

 

KYNAN: That’s right.

 

SHAWN: And so learning how to hear the downloads from God and then take steps on them, I tell people you’re a wimp if you give up after ten times. It’s going to take a thousand times before you have confidence because you have to learn the process. Just like no one wants to be around someone who’s learned how to play the piano the first 25 lessons or the first three years. It’s later on when they’ve developed something that it makes sense. So like learning how to take the steps of faith in the mall, at the coffee shop with your family, with your friends, it’s the same thing when you’re going up for healing. You’re praying for everyone who has a cold around you. You pray for everything. You [tip?] toe until their healing breaks. You don’t just go, I’m going to be in a meeting. It’s going to happen. You live a lifestyle where you’re including God in that way. So with words of knowledge you have to live a lifestyle to include God and say God, I want to hear your thoughts. I want to know what you’re thinking, show me.

 

KYNAN: I love that. Now, love compels you to give a word to a little boy playing soccer. Tell us about that.

 

SHAWN: This is wild. My friend and I were sitting there. He asked if I wanted to come to his kid’s soccer game, one of his ministry friends. We’re friends as well. And so we’re sitting watching his boy play, and there’s one kid who’s the underdog who no one was paying attention to. He just was very awkward, physically at that stage of growth like boys can be. And I had a heart pump probably because I was not coordinated [unintelligible] socially couldn’t play, connect to the kids on the team. And all of a sudden I just had this inspiration. I was like praying to God, God, this kid is awesome. Like the other kids are just treating him like he’s not. So Lord, what’s something about him that you would want to show me. And so and a few minutes later, I just had this one word and it was game of tag. And I called him, and I said, “Hey, what’s your Call of Duty score?” And he goes, “How do you know I play Call of Duty?” And I go, “What’s your score?” And he tells us and it’s one of the top in the nation. That’s a little boy. And I said, “What’s this?” And it was this game of tag along. And so all the other kids are, “You can play like that, wow!” And they all wanted to play games with him and learn from him. And my friend’s son, he actually ended up going out with him and they became best friends. Like months later, they were best friends. And it ended up that he was able to lead him to the Lord based on the fact that he told him the God experience behind that. At the moment, the kid didn’t know I had a God experience. It was months later that I could explain to him like, “Hey, my dad’s friend actually saw that from God and it actually brought value to you, and this is why.” And it changed his life.

 

KYNAN: Wow. Oh my God. Awesome. Listen, when we come back, you’re going to learn how God speaks in the most peculiar ways, and I believe eternity is about to invade time. Join us in just a little bit.