Our Guest Judy Franklin
LARRY: (claps) Welcome back to Something More. I’ve Judy Franklin here. We’re talking about experiences in the Heavenly realm, deeper dimensions of encounter with the Presence of God. These things sound wonderful, but the reality is, people experience hindrances to experiencing God, in new and deeper ways. God is willing; let me just let you know right now, God is willing. God wants to encounter you; He wants to draw nearer to you, He wants to touch you; He wants to embrace you, more than you actually want to embrace Him. And you might think, “Oh, I really want to experience more of God”; God’s level of desire for you will always exceed your desire for Him. But the reality is, there are very simple things that can be extremely dangerous in our lives – if we hold on to them – and they’re lies; they’re lies that we believe from the enemy. And Judy, I mean, I – I – I want you to just give some teaching right now, about the lies that the enemy tries to use – he’s tried to use on you —
JUDY: Yes.
LARRY: to keep you out of the presence of God; to keep people out of this place of encounter with Him. So —
JUDY: Yes. Will I first picked up on it I think when I was at a conference at a retreat. And one lady came up to me after the teaching and said, “I can’t get up to Jesus”. And she says, “I can see Him far off, but I can’t get close to Him”.
LARRY: Mm.
JUDY: And I thought, “Well that’s strange”, so I started talking to her. And I said, “Do you feel like you’re worthy?”, —
LARRY: Mm!
JUDY: and she just started crying and saying, “No, I’m not worthy to be.” And then it started me thinking that people are believing lies.
Of course Bill Johnson’s teaching on renewing your mind – I went through that; so I learned alot there. And it says in Romans
about “renewing … your mind….” Your spirit knows the truth, but your mind is really corrupt by the fall.
LARRY: Yeah.
JUDY: So what we have to do is tell our minds what to believe.
LARRY: Mm.
JUDY: So you’re going along, and you commit a sin; and you’re always remembering this. And yes, you ask for forgiveness, but “How stupid it was to do that; that’s probably the fifth time you’ve done it.” Well what I have people do at the beginning is forgive themselves!
LARRY: Yeah.
JUDY: Because they’re believing a lie, that that sin is there; —
LARRY: Mm.
JUDY: that they were stupid to do it. Well Jesus came to forgive us of all sins. He doesn’t just, “Oh, I forgive you”; He takes it away.
LARRY: Yeah.
JUDY: It’s “As far as the east is from the west….” It is no more; why are you thinking on that?
LARRY: Hm.
JUDY: You need to renew your mind. You need to stop believing lies. I thought I was stupid; I thought all sort of lies about myself; “God wouldn’t want me. I have no talents; I have no gifts”; well that’s a lie, too!
LARRY: Hm.
JUDY: I do have talents and gifts! He gave them to me! To say that we don’t belong with Him is a lie that we’re believing. I belong to Him – lock, stock and barrel – because of what Jesus did —
LARRY: Yeah.
JUDY: in my life. He forgave me —
LARRY: Um hm.
JUDY: of everything. I can boldly come before the throne, because I have no sin on me, —
LARRY: Yeah.
JUDY: because Jesus paid for that!
LARRY: Yep; yeah.
JUDY: Now do I do things wrong? Oh yes; I do.
LARRY: Yeah.
JUDY: But you wee, with forgiveness it’s gone.
LARRY: Yeah.
JUDY: So I think that’s very important, that people stop believing lies about themselves. I know that Bill Johnson
says that, “The only power that Satan has if we believe his lie”; otherwise, he doesn’t have the power. I’m sitting here
, and I’m in this studio, and I’m going to be on television, so you know I’m thinking about, —
LARRY: (chuckling) Yeah.
JUDY: “What do I look like?”
LARRY: (chuckling) Yeah!
JUDY: “What am I going to say?”, and “What if I say something bad?”, and “Hey, can I stop?”, and “Can I, you know, are you going to edit it and everything?”, —
LARRY: Sure.
JUDY: and I had to stop myself and go, “Wait a minute. God, You brought me here.”
LARRY: Yeah.
JUDY: “I know you give me things to say. And who cares what I look like; I don’t.” If – if you do, I’m sorry, —
LARRY: And it’s – it’s alright.
JUDY: but I’m not going to change.
LARRY: You look good now.
JUDY: (laughs)
LARRY: (laughs) Yeah; yeah.
JUDY: So I had refused to believe the lie!
LARRY: Yeah.
JUDY: If the Lord says, “Go up and pray for that person”, I go, “Oh; I don’t pray good; I don’t pray good, flowy prayers, and mine are just to-the-point, and -“, and I think, “No; that’s a lie —”
LARRY: Yes.
JUDY: “from the enemy!” He is “the father of lies”.
LARRY: Yes; yeah; yeah.
JUDY: That’s all he can do to us is tell us lies!
LARRY: Well that’s funny; I heard a friend of mine once say, “How do you know that the devil is lying?”, and then the question is, “Well how do you know?”; “If his lips are moving.”
JUDY: (laughs) There you go!
LARRY: Because – because isn’t that true? That’s all he does, and that’s how you recognize —
JUDY: Yeah!
LARRY: whether it’s God, or the devil; if you’re being lied to; yeah.
JUDY: And, you know, when I used – when my dad told me that I was too stupid to love, —
LARRY: Mm.
JUDY: I took on that “Stupid; I’m stupid”.
LARRY: Yeah.
JUDY: Well then I go to school, and I have learning disabilities; “Oh; it’s because I’m stupid”. And all these patterns in my life came up whenever I did anything wrong, “It’s because I’m stupid; because I’m stupid”, so I lived my en- – my life believing I was “stupid”. It stopped me from doing things, because people might find out I’m “stupid”; so I didn’t talk to people, I didn’t – wasn’t around people alot, because I didn’t want them to find out I was “stupid”.
LARRY: Mm.
JUDY: So that’s a lie I believed, all my life just about, —
LARRY: Yeah.
JUDY: until I had my encounter with God, —
LARRY: Yeah.
JUDY: and He exposed that lie. So what lies do people believe?
LARRY: Yeah.
JUDY: That they “Can’t be forgiven”; or they’re “Forgiven, or God is mad at ’em”; that’s – that’s one of the worst things that – to think, that God gets mad at us.
LARRY: Mm.
JUDY: It’s impossible for Him to be mad at us; and people go, “Well that’s not true; He got mad at me”; I said, “No. If you’re saying God gets mad at you, what you are saying is: Jesus’ sacrifice for your life wasn’t enough”; —
LARRY: Mm!
JUDY: “because it paid for everything!”
LARRY: Yeah
JUDY: Everything!
LARRY: Yeah; yeah.
JUDY: Well even now Judy, I – I just want us to kind of do some tag-team ministry. I’m going to – I’m going to speak to the folks out there, and then I’m going to have – I’ll just switch it over to you. But I feel like the Lord wants to just really help dismantle some of these lies right now.
LARRY: Yes.
JUDY: And I’m going to – I’m going to just pray a few things, and then I’m going to have you pray. But right now, Father, in Jesus’ name, for those who are listening, I just sense that there are some of you who, like what Judy was talking about, you feel unworthy to enter the presence of God. You’re believing this lie, uh, “I’m a Christian,” [music] “but I’ve messed up. I’ve – I’ve sinned, I’ve made mistakes, a-and for whatever reason, I have to clean-up before I get into the Presence of God”; Jesus’ blood cleaned you up. In the presence of God is the grace and mercy you actually need to have victory over whatever you’re struggling with. God wants to help you, but it’s in His Presence; don’t let the enemy keep you out of His Presence. So I just declare that over you right now. Receive that, in Jesus’ name. You’re “[T]he righteousness of God in [Christ Jesus]”.
JUDY: That’s good. You know, I want to tell you that I know there’s somebody out there – more than one person out there – that as soon as we say, “You can go to Heaven”, your thoughts are you’re “Not good enough”, you’re “not special”, you know, that’s – “That’s for them; not for me”. And that’s a lie in your life that you have to stop, because He does love you that much, and He does want you to – want to take you into His arms, and love on you! It isn’t just, “Go do my stuff and I’ll love you”; it’s “I love you!”; and out of that love, we will go do his stuff. We want to love him; that’s the first commandment. “[L]ove the Lord your God with [everything]”. That’s what we want to do; that’s what I strive for; everything else comes along and comes together. But I want to love God. And I love when Bob Jones said um, when he died – when he got hit by lightning and he died, —
LARRY: Yeah; yeah.
JUDY: and he went to Heaven. And there was the Lord, and He was saying, “Did you learn to love?”
LARRY: Mm.
JUDY: He didn’t say, “How many sins do you have?”; all those are gone! He said, “Did you learn to love?”; and when they’d say, “Yes”, He’d say, “Enter in.”
LARRY: Yeah.
JUDY: Well I want to learn to love.
LARRY: Yeah.
JUDY: It’s not just a feeling; it’s learning —
LARRY: Yeah.
JUDY: to be patient, and kind, and not taking into account a wrong done. Love is the most important thing, and that’s what I get – from Heaven.
LARRY: Yeah; yeah. God’s calling you into His Presence. He made it legal; it is available. Remember, you are “[T]he righteousness of God in [Christ Jesus].” You’re worthy because of Jesus’ blood; stand on that. And every lie of the enemy – just go to the Word – say – you have it; you actually have a sure-fire response to every lie and fiery dart the enemy throws at your mind, and you can say “No. Because of what Jesus has done, He’s given me all access into the Presence of God, ad those Heavenly encounters are [music ends] available for me today.”
