Sid Roth

Sid: Do you see what’s going on in the world Mishpochah you read end time Bible prophesies you hear about so many Jewish people now turning to Jesus you see what’s going on in the nation of Israel. I mean we are in as the Orthodox Jewish Rabbis say the footsteps of the Messiah. They’re right they just don’t know that His name is Jesus.  And to who much is given much is required.  There is a tremendous tremendous call of God on your life but will you achieve your destiny. Is there a ceiling over you that you’ve been in a rut for so long you don’t know how to stop it you know that you want to stop it but you know that you just don’t know what to do to stop it. And I’ve asked my friend Dave Roberson who’s pastor of the Prayer Center Family in Tulsa, Oklahoma to teach a bit about his series his 4 cassette series it’s called “Removing the Ceiling” subtitled “The Cost of Exultation.”  Dave on yesterday’s broadcast we found out that you were really sabotaged as a child your mother was an alcoholic, your father ended up in prison, she had many men living with her and you were looking for a father image and the best you had was a grandfather who actually helped you out a lot but by the same token said “You’ll never amount to anything” and was cursing you.  Had you just found the Lord and just been Spirit filled and went to a church every Sunday the rest of your life and went to Sunday school and lived like the world the rest of your life you wouldn’t even come close to fulfilling your destiny.  But that’s what most Christian’s think Christianity is go to church on Sunday and be a good person and have your life insurance policy.

Dave: Well Sid when God brought me out what we were talking about yesterday He brought me out through edification and praying in tongues. And this is such an incredible gift such an incredible gift because God has sent this supernatural language all the way from heaven and He literally transfers it to our spirit. 1^st Corinthian’s 14:14 says “If I pray in an unknown tongue my spirit prayeth which is my human spirit.  And for it to be my human spirit the Holy Spirit literally transfers that language to our spirit so that in reality it’s us who’s doing the praying. Because He is the head and we’re the church and where His church is that’s where He has authority.” And so He is literally borrowing my authority and then God the Holy Spirit is formulating this perfect prayer on my behalf and He’s asking me to cooperate by yielding over and letting Him speak the thoughts of God His plan for my life, the mysteries of the understandings of Christ. And this is what began to build my up out of that. I was so intimidated, I was intimidated by father figures that He traded all of those weaknesses for His strength.  And each time that He would build me up above one of those strongholds in my life I can remember how it happened.  I would pray in tongues and medicate His word and He would build me up above it.  And as soon as He built me up above it I was stronger than it was.  Then I would get to get a look at it through God’s eyes and I would see how pathetic it was, how destroyed my life was, how hurt I was. And I would see it through God’s eyes and sometimes seeing it through His eyes would make me weep and I entered into crying and I’d cry and I’d want to be free. And I’d found out that that was a kind of intercession. And God said “Good” He said to me one day He said “Good” He moved on my spirit and showed me. He says “When that had a hold of you and you didn’t care or you didn’t know how to be free what did I have to work with? But when I was able through praying in tongues able to edify you and build you above it then then you saw it through My eyes and you hated it as much as I did and that’s where I got the faith from you to set you free.  So just before we went off yesterday on the program we was talking about a church that was not far from you and that they actually don’t permit speaking in tongues in the main assembly.

Sid: Because they don’t want anything divisive and you know what they are winning people to the Lord, they’re bursting at the seams they’re doing something right.

Dave: Yes, well at that I was talking about my associate Tim Stemple and he managed Rex Humbard and Rex Humbard was the largest ministry in the world.  And about 12 years ago he came aboard with me and God was just really teaching me then that praying in tongues he pulls down the strong holds and begins to really set yourself free. So we and Tim literally died of the worst things in our life together. He began to pray in tongues and fast and we did these things together.  And Tim has the most incredible government gift and myself my soul is so trained I could yield in any area. Just by nature you know people say I’ve got a wit that I’m funny you know I just get real funny and get on a role I can use that, I can use humor to teach with.  I can teach on anything it doesn’t make any difference to me I can transform to anything the crowd wants me to be I mean I can win souls with it even.  It’s almost like a president who will die or he will buy an agency of some kind that will find out what the public wants and then they can make him into that public relations.  Well I can find out the temperature of a crowd, I can find out what they want they want. And believe me Sid I know how to give them what they want.  And Tim is the best government guest probably in the world and he can organize into existence anything you want to organize. Having a large church like that is not difficult you have to find out how much of God do the people want and we’re not going to go any further out of the flesh and you just stop on that line.

Sid: For instance you must end by noon or you’ll have a church spit

Dave: Yes Sir a user friendly.

Sid: Or half of them will walk out (Laughing.)

Dave: You’ve got to find out these things so I at one point in the walk that I was walking for revival here in Tulsa.  At one point I thought “It seems like everything you teach is slowing me down at this point I can do all of these things and get a crowd why don’t you let Me do this?” And He said “Because He said You would get hungry again because you can’t stay away from prayer and when you would get hungry you would start walking in the principals I taught you again then you’d start teaching the crowd and you would go right back where you are now and it wouldn’t be Me building your ministry it would be you building it.” And He said He gave me a promise He said “You walk with me and I build your ministry, He said not you building it I’ll build it and He said there will be no stopping place that it absolutely will be no stopping place in what I can do to someone who will give themselves completely to Me.”  And Sid we’re after Tulsa, we have people here every night praying in tongues and speaking the word of God over the city every night.  He showed me that if He lets…if I if I let Him loose in my life and let Him do what He can do as God the anointing after anointing that He’s going to bring us to and has brought us to that He will do more in 5 years and these years to come than He has done in my entire life in just a 5 year period.   So yes I know how to do all of those things but I also know about taking a city and I know about revival and I know what brings it. And I often refer to things this way I can raise money Sid I’ve been flowing into meetings specifically for raising money because I developed I trained my soul so good I could do it with or without God.  And people flew me in to do those things, I know how to do all of those things. When I started praying in tongues everything that was not of God He started killing in me.  And everything that was of Him that’s what He left and began to build.  And right now Sid I can tell you (Laughing) with where I’ve come from in my life peace is becoming the stronger and stronger reward.  And the love that He’s giving me for people I’m ready to breakdown and cry right here I did not know that it could be this way. And I can promise all of you that are listening that you get these tapes and you begin to walk this walk.  You begin to take those times of praying in tongues and letting Him edify you and begin that change in you.  I can promise you if you stay faithful for just about 1 hour a day I can promise you that a process of change from edification will begin in your life that will ending up changing those strongholds, destroying those ceilings that’s over your life making one year like the next until death came to pass until a generation is gone, till all is ended your life is gone and you hardly known what you’ve had done to do.  But I can guarantee you it will all start 30 minutes to just an hour a day just letting Him edify you and begin to build you up on your most holy God kind of faith.

Sid: And what does the average household watch of television per day? All you have to do is take l of those 3 or 4 or 5 or 6 hours whatever it is and pray in unknown tongues.

Dave: (Laughing)

Sid: And what a difference.  Do you realize what would happen in America if just the people listening to us right now were to do that?

Dave: Oh my.

Sid: One hour a day.

Dave: Oh my.

Sid: But you have an anointing when you teach on this subject and what I find is that the more I listen to you the more I desire to pray in unknown tongues.

Dave: (Laughing) I’m so glad.  Although I can say this and I think I said this before but I can’t just help it. The day you decide to pray l hour in tongues is the day that you walk into the class room of the Holy Spirit. That fine dressed gentleman at the chalkboard is non-other than the Holy Spirit Himself.  And because of that medium of tongues between Him and you what He knows He’s about to teach you.

Sid: Mishpochah you want to have hours of teaching by Dave…

Sid: We want everywhere to have such a passion for Jesus but the truth of the matter is because of the flesh, because of the devil, because what’s being pounded through communication airways most believers are in various degrees of a rut. And enough is enough there’s a job for you to do there’s a destiny on your life. There’s a purpose for your life and I’ve asked my friend Dave Roberson who’s the pastor of Prayer Center Family Tulsa, Oklahoma. And he has a teaching that is called “Removing the Ceiling” and I believe that this is an answer to prayer because most of you know about the rut you’re in I want us to teach you about that to know about the ceilings in your life but you don’t really know about how to bust through.  And I don’t know anyone better than Dave to teach you on this. Dave I was fascinated because at all of the times we’ve known each other and I’ve interviewed you I never knew much about your family background and your mother and father and grandfather. Tell me a bit about that.

Dave: Sid my mother was a periodic alcoholic and she would drink an awful lot. And during those years when oh growing up that I first begin to remember I remember that in the spells when she’d be drunk from say months at a time that sometimes she would bring different men home with her.  And I remember many fathers along the way.

Sid: Is it true I know it is but is it true that most of us evaluate God the Father by our earthly father?

Dave: I’m absolutely sure that’s true Sid because the marks those things put on me I really wasn’t able to unseal them until I found out the difference between real worship and the mortification that went. The will worship even after I was born again “I wish I was different.” And when I finally found out how to remove the feeling it was through mortification.  In other words I found out how to turn to the Holy Ghost loose on the inside and He’s the one that destroyed the hold that the intimidation and the grief and the hopelessness that I feel at times.  Because that not only that father image that I didn’t have but when we moved in with grandpa he took us in and thank God for it but grandpa he didn’t like my father because of what he did to my mother. And so when I would do something that would remind him on my father sometimes he would get so mad that he would scream at me and sometimes he’d kick me so hard that not to hurt you or anything but just to get moving.  That he could tell me to get me the hammer off of the table he’d be on a ladder and I would panic and get so afraid I couldn’t see the hammer even if it was the only tool on the table. He’d yell at me until finally he’d just storm down off the ladder to get a move on kind of kick me and say “What’s the matter with you?  You’re just like old man Roberson you’re no good and you never will be.” And when I go back now I cry a little bit tears of joy I can assure you now and before I get too far in getting the ceiling off in the last years of my mother’s life. One day I was over on the coast I was in Oregon and I was in Oregon Coast within 200 miles of where I live with a friend evangelist Dudley.  Early in the morning God spoke to me “Get back home.” And I ran home drove all the way home that night just in time for my mother to come knocking on the door. She wanted to know everything that I was doing and she was so moved that I was beginning to teach the gospel and that was the last time that I saw her. So I believe that God through our prayers moved on her and saved her in her last days.

Sid: But what was it like when you were told “You’re no good you’re just like your father.” Did you believe that or you just kind of shrugged it off?

Dave: You know what? That even though I didn’t want to believe it it became part of me.  See I became so intimidated afraid I guess especially with authority figures.

Sid: Well you had so many different men living with your mother.

Dave: Yes. I’ve spent some of my time with them when they’d come in and drank a lot and I’d beg them to take me fishing you know to do something you know like a father would do.  But I didn’t have much luck (Laughing) in that area.  But no it and when we moved in with grandpa about the 4^th or 5^th grade then then when I would do things like that then he’d yell at me “You’re no good, you’re just like old man Roberson.”  And by the way he was a PK.

Sid: Hm.

Dave: A preacher’s kid and my grandfather Roberson as I understand a tent evangelist somewhere around Texas. And so he was running PK, preacher’s kid. And so he’d tell me your just like him your no good you’ll never amount to anything. And it carried over with me and Sid the first years I was born again it was in ultra-holiness.  And I thank God for the holiness that’s taught from the inner man that takes the outer man over and causes the person to live in such a holiness that the kind that you do look appealing or modestly. But mostly you tend to do …and kindness in the love walk He has for all of us. Now I believe in modes apparel but I believe in that holiness of that inner-man.

Sid: But what affect did the externally holiness have on you?

Dave: Well this is what I thought to myself. Well here I was raised with one fatherhood and a bunch of fathers who didn’t want me and now I’m afraid not to go to church I’m afraid to dress wrong.  I’m afraid of everything that if I anger this father that he’s going to do something to me put me in a car wreck or bring a disease or do something.  I was literally afraid of Him. So I get born again and thinking well I lost my one father like that and now I get saved and I get another one.  But I can still remember I can still remember when I started to pray in tongues and somehow that praying in tongues which He’s very clear about would edify us and build us up on our most holy faith in God above essential walk and through a walk of faith and power with our Father. Little did I know that building me up above a sense dominated real that that would be part of what He would build me up over in my edification.  If I can remember praying Sid in my whole life is beginning to change and literally praying those mysteries the mysteries of Christ that is you and to you and through you the hope of glory up before the Father. And Him answering those mysteries and having the mystery of Christ in you to begin to come alive it’s trading my mind for His.   In other words I began to take on His mind and began to displace everything that they told me that I was and replace it with a renewed mind in everything that He said that I was. And I could remember that beginning to take place when I went out and begin a revival when I first moved to Tulsa and was preaching with men who I would have paid a $100 just to hold their sweaty old coat in the back room and listen to him talk about God.  And now I was sharing the platform with them. And even at that point with my intimidation I could have preached and raised the dead in that service. And Sid I would go into the backroom where those men were and I would fish. You know I would fish for a compliment because to me they were a father figure. And all I would have to do is to get them to say one thing good message “Brother Roberson that was really some miracles out there.” And if I could get them to say one thing like that then I would be okay the intimidation would leave because I knew that I’d done okay.  But now Sid now since I’ve found a level of love and that peace and every time I make another level of peace I keep thinking that this is as good as it can get.

Sid: The fact that you were born again, the fact that you were born again, the fact that you were Spirit filled did not get rid of those bondages, those chains.

Dave: No.

Sid: And you’re saying that praying in tongues got rid of that?

Dave: Yes it edified and built me up above it by revealing Christ in me.  Now if the freedom was automatically there by merit of the baptism of the Holy Spirit alone then every Christian would be free because He’s no respecter of person. Sid so there must be something that we can do that will activate that process of mortification begin to cause the word that we know to come alive in us and bring us from what we were into what He said that we are. And I found that to be the edification that supernatural language of praying in tongues.

Sid: But I have to ask you this I know of a real seeker sensitive church that’s bursting at the seams near where I live.

Dave: Yes.

Sid: And one of the things that they’ve done is the pastors even Spirit Filled but they’ve agreed that we’re not going to have tongues in our church it’s too controversial.  What would you say to that pastor?

Dave: Having a very large church and very successful church isn’t very hard Sid.  And to me all you have to do is find the level of flesh that people do not want to go beyond and begin to compromise right at that level.  Now I know what I’m talking about Tim my associate he managed Rex Humbard and Rex Humbard was at the top. I don’t mean I should say before Rex Humbard retired and is doing what he’s doing now when he was the biggest ministry in the world it was my associate that managed it.

Sid: Hm.

Dave: And when he came aboard with me we started praying and fasting together and we died together, and we died to the world together to the misuse of money together. Not that we was doing it we were just doing what everybody else said almost.  But we died to things together.  He’s one of the best government gifts in the world and I can be anything I want to be I found out how to do that.

Sid: Boy with all of the handicaps and all of the strikes against you Mishpochah did you hear what Dave Roberson said I want you to be able to say that you have a ceiling over where you are. God wants you to get those rewards at academy rewards night in heaven.

Sid: My guest by way of telephone Joan and Bob Nast.  On yesterday’s broadcast we found out that Joan was traveling with the Benny Hinn ministry and some witches showed up and put some curses. And this this is weird when she had the mammogram test a limp just swelled up in her breast all of a sudden after a meeting. And when they took the mammogram in the darkness there actually on the mammogram on the lump it was an exact shape of a witch.  Now at one of Benny Hinn meetings Lester Sumrall was there and Benny said “Let’s take up an offering not for our ministry but to help the hungry.”  And so Joan and Bob immediately stood up didn’t have the money but they pledge…they had the money but really should not have done it but God told them so they did. They gave $1000 and Lester said “Believe Psalm 41.”  Joan what is Psalm 41 say?

Joan: Psalm 41 it says “Blessed are those that are feeding the hungry and take care of the poor God will sustain them in their time of sickness, they will turn their bed of languish around they shall live and shall not die and all nations will call them blessed.”

Sid: So you were ready for surgery on this malignant tumor but before the surgeon who’s Jewish and not a believer in Jesus is allowed to operate on you you say to her “You can’t operate on me unless you read this scripture.” And the surgeon had already remarked and your doctor had said “Boy you don’t seem to have any fear.”  So what did the surgeon do?

Joan: Well she promised me that she would read the scripture and Isaiah 53.

Bob: It was like 1 – 15.  There was a lot of them it was all of Isaiah 53.

Joan: Or 1 – 12 I forget how many now but any way she promised she would read it and she did.  And come to find out in fact this wonderful surgeon her people in her office were Christians they had been Jewish and they had been born again.  And they had been praying for her for 10 years.  And every time they would mention the Bible she would just refuse to talk to them. After she operated on me with …after I’ll tell you but she called them up and she said “I know I’ve never listened to you before but this woman has made a believer out of me and I am now reading the Bible.”  And it was so incredible because of the fate that she had seen. And I believe God opened her spiritual eyes when she read Isaiah 53. But after she operated that took out the tumor. And the following week I went back and they took out the stitches. And at that time her 2 assistants were there and she had to go out of town. And they after I got dressed they kind of closed in on me and I said “What’s the matter why are you doing that?” And they said I said “Well I had cancer you took them out you took them out and now it’s over right?” They said “Well we didn’t get it all we didn’t get a clear margin we believe that the cancer is in your bones, your liver your lungs and your lymph nodes we have to do a mastectomy.  I said “Excuse me? Do you know who I am?” And they said “Yeah.”  I said “I’m a child of God I have a healing ministry I pray for people I tithe my money, this can’t be true.” And they said “Well, regardless you have cancer and we believe it’s spread all over your body.”  And we want to do a mastectomy.  And I said “When? They said “Next week.”  I said “I’m very sorry I can’t do it next week my husband and I are going with the Benny Hinn to California to going to pray over people that don’t know that Jesus Christ heals today so we’re going to pray over real sick people.”  So they already knew I was nuts so they said “Okay” you know and I said “Make it for the following week if that’s what you have to do that’s what we’ll do.” We got on a plane we went out to California we told everybody there and the workers went back and they told Benny Hinn that I had cancer very bad.”  And so they called me back in the back room of the arena and Bobby and I went back there.” And Benny got off the couch and started walking towards me and he said “Oh Joanie, Joanie, Joanie” And at that he was about 5’ away from me and all of a sudden the power of God came through that building and slammed my body right to the floor nobody touched me.  And when they picked me up I said “Benny God has healed me He’s touched me and I’m scheduled for a mastectomy next Monday a week away what am I going to do?” He said “Joan I’m only a man that brings everybody together to worship the Lord, God will speak to you to give you peace on what to do.” We came home from California; a number of things took place in the next couple of days that which we won’t have time to go into. Anyway on Thursday morning prior to the operation I had total peace, total peace, I had absolutely no fear.  The surgeon called me up and said “Come down to my office.” We went down to her office, she said “Joan I’m a cancer specialist I am a breast specialist that’s all I do, I know my work.”  She says I went inside your breast and I took out a tumor very very very large and the size of that tumor we didn’t get a clear margin.  Everything that pointed to I really believed that was in your bones your livers, your lungs.  We just got the reports back early this morning it is not in your bones, your liver your lungs and we do not have to do a mastectomy but we do want to re-operate to get…I’ve got to get in there and get a fair margin for my own satisfaction and take out your lymph nodes.  I said “You do whatever you want to do because I’m a child of God and I’m not going any place because God has a plan for me, He has a purpose for me just like every single person on this earth God has a purpose for their life if they’ll just get rid of fear, keep their eyes on Jesus God will get them through whatever attack He’ll get them through.” Long story short I went in on Monday singing as they were taking me into the operating room singing Jesus loves me. In the operating room I was…scriptures were pouring out of my mouth finally got them all laughing those cancer operations.  They said “Shut up and put her out she’s driving us nuts.” A little nurse in the corner is saying “Preach it sister preach it.” Well after 5½ hours of going inside my breast she told my husband she couldn’t find a drop of cancer in there they didn’t know what happened to that margin that wasn’t clear.  They took out 15 lympth nodes under my arm and they said there was cancer in one and she said to me but that’s like a general factor.  I said “No, no Doc you know what that was there for?” I said “You were right it was in my bones, my liver, my lymph nodes but I said “But my God, my Jesus, my Father in heaven He touched me and healed me and He took it but He left it in one lymph node that you could truly see you’re a good doctor you know what you’re doing.  I said He just wanted you to know He’s real looking for your good work to do.

Sid: Joan you said that everyone, you started out almost prophesying you said everyone has a purpose. What is your purpose Joan and Bob Nast?

Joan: Our purpose is to bring joy and happiness to the brokenhearted people, and children with cancer, and dreadful disease AIDS. But more than that if we expect miracles God gave us a vision that we saw wheelchairs and stretchers and 100’s of people coming on to this property and God miraculously touching and healing and saving.

Sid: But as children…

Joan: Yes.

Sid: Tell me about the one particular little boy that had cancer in his bone marrow and had 1% chance of survival very quickly.

Bob: This little boy Christopher he came as because he was invited by another family who their daughter has bone marrow cancer and asked if it was okay if he came.  And we said of course we’re open for all the sick children. So these people came and they were a little skeptic at first but they could feel the love that was here. And they looked around and they said “Do you do this a lot?” And we say “Yeah.” And you know we made them feel comfortable and we were talking to Christopher and talking to the parents and Joanie was talking to the parents and I found out that they were Catholic and they lived in Tampa.  And they told us about the oncology report that he only had 1% chance of survival.  Well 2 days before that God had spoken to me and my wife and my daughter at different times and said “Now is the time I’m releasing you to pray over the children.” Because we never had prayed over the children before, I won’t say that we never have but we never made it available to everybody.  So God released us to pray for him we were so excited because we were waiting for that.  So we said to little Christopher said to the parents we said “Would you mind if we prayed over your son?” And they said “No, not at all.” So we got our people around him and we prayed over him and all of a sudden as we prayed over him he started shaking going to convulsions and the parents looked like shocked and said “What’s going on?” And my wife says Joan says “God is touching him, I believe that God is touching your son and we want to know because we call it a praise report when you hear a good report back.”  Well what happened they left and 3 weeks later or 2 weeks later we got a thing on our computer a praise report praise report. Well they said “Do you remember little Christopher we were there such and such a time and they began to tell us that they took him to Sloan Kettering Cancer Institute it was the last resort that they knew to go.  They took them they’re and said “What can we do about our son?” And they said “Before we can do anything we have to do tests.” Well they took every test imaginable at Sloan Kettering Hospital and they could not find one bit of cancer in that little boy.

Sid: Well praise God and that’s not the only story but we’re out of time but we’re making the book available for you it’s a booklet “Who Cares For Orphans, Widows, the Oppressed God Does Do We?” It’s a book that’s going to change your life by Dr. Derrick Prince.