Sid Roth

Sid:  My guest by way of telephone is Dr. Tedd Tripp, Pastor of Grace Fellowship Church in Hazelton, Pennsylvania. I’ve got a copy of his book “Shepherding a Child’s Heart.” And the thing that makes this so different than most books that are written for parents on how to raise their children it’s not based on psychology it’s based on how to have a genuine heart change. And Ted you said something very difficult on yesterday’s broadcast.  I poised the question to you television it seems it’s either New Age, or its violence, or its sex.   One of those 3 things come through in almost everything and violence is the strongest and kids are taking karate lessons and their taught how to defend themselves and don’t let anyone bully you.  And you said the total opposite give me an example.

Tedd: Well the word of God says that “We overcome evil with good do not be overcome with evil friends but overcome evil with good” Roman’s 12.  My son he was about 18 he had an automobile accident one night and another boy about his age that lives not too far from us was involved in the accident as well. A few days later my son was swimming at a swimming hole, we have a waterfalls near our home and kids go down their swimming and he was swimming with some friends and this young man came up to him and he said “Are you Aaron Tripp and my son said “Yes I am.” And he said “Okay this is for my car, he hauled off and he slugged him in the jaw and knocked him backwards off of some rocks into the water.”  And my son got out and the other people that were with him they were ready to have a rumble you know and they’re going to run to his defense and you know “We don’t have to take this and so forth.”  And he said “No” he said “We’re going to leave and we’ll trust God with this but we’re not going to overcome evil with evil” and they left.

Sid: Now that is very difficult to do!

Tedd:  That takes more courage than it does to have a fight.  And it takes more faith than it does to have a fight. It doesn’t take grace to knock someone’s block off but to overcome evil with good it takes grace and it takes faith.  Well one of the girls that was there that day there was some fellows and girls in this gang of kids who had gone swimming with Aaron and one of the girls that was there she was just overwhelmed with it.  And many subsequent conversations she had with my daughter I think God really worked in her through that experience she had just never seen anyone respond in that way before.

Sid: Picture speaks more than a 1000 words to just see it happen rather than just read it in a test tube. When you heard that story that had to excite you as a father.

Tedd: Yes it really did I was thrilled that where the rubber meets the road as a young man who is 18 or so at the time he had made that choice because it was obviously his choice it wasn’t a choice that I participated in.  And it was a choice that reflected his own growing conviction that he can live a life of faith and trust God and do what was right.

Sid: Why is it that children have such a great problem communicating with adults are the protecting themselves, are they hiding their heart or what are they doing? And then when they grow up they still have this problem of opening up and communicating.

Tedd: Sure.  Well I think…you know I think Sid that we misunderstand communication. If you ask most people what about their communication ability “Are you a good communicator?” They immediately think of their ability to express their ideas.  And I would submit to you in a biblical vision the finest art of communication is not the ability to express our ideas but the ability to understand the thoughts an ideas of the other person.  For parents it’s the ability to understand the thoughts and the ideas of our children.  Proverbs 18:2 speaks to this with such power it says “A fool finds no pleasure in understanding but delights in airing his own opinions.” Now think about that, where foes a fool find pleasure?  He doesn’t find pleasure in understanding the other person he finds pleasure in airing his own opinion. And you know I’ve got to ask myself “Well, how many times have I’d been fooled in conversations with my kids?” I remember one night I went down to talk with one of children it was bed time and I went to his room and I said “I want to talk to you.” And I spoke to him I didn’t say anything cruel or abusive I had something on my chest that I wanted to get off my chest and got done talking and I said “Now I’m glad we had this chance to talk together; I’m going to pray for you and I’m going to go to bed.” So I prayed for him and I went to bed a few minutes later he’s knocking at the door “Dad are you up?” “Yeah, what’s up?”  He said “Dad I just want to say when you left the room you said that you were glad that we had a good talk and I just want to say dad that I didn’t say anything.”  And I said “Oh my forgive me your right I had a good talk.”

Sid: (Laughing)

Tedd: He said “Yeah sort of.”  “Well if you were going to say something what would you have said to me?”  And he said to me this is a vintage teenager he said “I don’t know it doesn’t matter now I just want to say I didn’t say anything.” And the sub-texture is “I’m not going to be that easy dad you’re going to have to draw this out.”

Sid: (Laughing)

Tedd: But you know that’s what the Proverbs are talking about sometimes teenagers don’t talk because parents are only interesting to speaking at their kids they’re not interested in drawing their kids out.  Another Proverb “He who answers before listening that’s his folly and his shame” well, how many times do we do that as parents I know what you’re going to ask the answer is “No.” “But dad I didn’t even have a chance to ask my question.” “You don’t have to ask your question I know everything.”

Sid: It’s a gr…that is a great way to damage their heart.

Tedd: Oh for sure and you know what this kid walks away feeling is “I can’t get to first base with you; you don’t even want to give me a hearing, you snapped out your no before you ever even understood what I was going to ask.”  And he doesn’t walk away thinking “Boy I’m glad my dad’s a mind reader.” He walks away thinking “You know I can’t talk to this man.” And I’m telling him “You know you can’t talk to me.” Then when I want him to talk he doesn’t have anything to say “Well?” You know this is what I’ve done.” Your know Proverbs 20 verse 5 says “For the purposes of a man’s heart are deep waters but a man of understanding draws them out.”  You know that’s what we need to be we need to people of understanding to know how to draw out those deep waters in our children. And you know I talk to parents and I talk about this in seminars and one of the illustrations I use is “You know that this is really what Christ does in the incarnation.” Because in the incarnation Christ comes and He dwells with us, He lives in a body like ours, He has a human psychology on this earth. He’s tired and hungry at Jacobs well at John 4 and He weeps at Lazarus tomb in John chapter 10. He experiences life on this earth, He looks at the world though our eyes He understands what it means to be touched with the feelings of our infirmities and so He’s able to help us. And that’s the whole note of Hebrews 4 “We don’t have a High Priest that’s unable to sympathize but we have one that is tempted at every point like we are without sin and therefore we can approach His throne of grace with confidence and find mercy and grace and help in our time of need.” And that’s really what we need to do with our kids; we need to be people who can enter into their world who can understand their struggles and who because we understand can speak truth to them in the ways that they need to hear it in order to really grow.

Sid: How else are we going to get our children to trust us if we don’t listen to them?

Kyle:  You’re exactly right and see what happens is our bits of advice and which may even be good advice they misfire because we haven’t really gained a hearing with our kids. Let me give you a real quick illustration I’ll try to make it quick.  You go shopping with your kids you’re out to buy shoes alright he’s trying to find a pair of shoes he likes and your saying “What’s the matter with those those are really sharp I like those why don’t you get those.”  And you try to talk him into the pair you can afford. So your back home the next day and he’s putting the shoes on that he didn’t like the night before he’s on his way to school he’s crying about these shoes. Now if want to delight in airing your own opinion you can have a conversation like this you can say “Look I know you didn’t like those shoes but those are the only ones I could afford.” But what would your friend Job say if I told him you were crying over your shoes don’t be such a wimp you know what are those kids there are they shoe experts or something don’t worry about what they think of your shoes; you know those shoes you don’t like cost more than my first car I have more important things to do than worry about these shoes; I’ve got to go out and earn some money to buy more shoes no one around here likes.”  Now I have communicated right.

Sid: Hm.

Kyle: But really what I’ve done is I’ve iced myself out.  The problem doesn’t go away now I simply had told this child “I don’t want to hear it, shut up and wear the shoes you know I don’t want to enter into your problem.”  Now the problem doesn’t go away I’m just not going to be part of it, not going to be part of the solution.  But see if I want to have, if I want to delight in understanding I could have a conversation like this.  I could say “You’re upset about the shoes aren’t you?” “Yeah.”   “I didn’t think you like them when we got them last night but you didn’t want to tell me did you?” “No.”  “What didn’t you like about them?”  “They look stupid.” “I don’t know what you mean.”  “Joe said I look like a dweeb.” When did Joe see them we just got them last night.” Chris got a pair like this and Joe made fun at him last week, yesterday and told him he looked like a dweeb.  “What looks dweeby about those shoes?”  “You know the red stripe up the back Dad there’s last years shoes that’s why they were only $89.”

Sid: (Laughing)

Kyle: Now what are you learning here valuable stuff?” So I considered this kid “Yeah you’re upset.” You know their going to make fun of me and I don’t want my shoes to look like I know that they are going to make fun of me today.” Now in this kids world that problem is the biggest thing in his world at this moment.

Sid: Tedd I’m sorry we’re out of time. Are many households significantly changed when they practice these principals?

Kyle: I have a pile of letters where parents say “Our lives have been changed.”

Sid: Oops we’re out of time.

Sid: Hello this is Sid Roth and I am mashuga that’s a Hebrew word it means crazy I am mashuga for Yeshua. And some of you that are laughing at me you’re mashuga for something I want to be mashuga for Yeshua for Jesus.  Now my guest Perry Stone he’s another one that’s mashuga for Yeshua but I can’t wait to interview Perry because as you know he’s a real student of the word.  And he has studied over…the Bible over 100,000 hours and as a result of that study and being a man of the Spirit he has come up with the most important revelation in the history of his ministry. And we’re going to be talking about a lot of them and you see what he does he studies cycles that are repetitive in the Bible. And when you understand these cycles it gives you keys for understanding the future. But Perry I understand you had a vision of the last days of something that’s about ready to happen a warning dream if you will tell me about it.

Perry: Well there was 2… recently and I’ll talk about more recently because the one you’re talking about was previously sometime back. I’m having an experience at night it’s happening once every 2 weeks of seeing tsunamis very very high waves coming over especially there is a city and I’m not sure if it’s on our east coast or our west coast or where it is. And I do believe one of them affects the United States however, and so having said that I’ll go through this real brief.  I was in…

Sid: But wait I have to ask you this I’m always looking for other meanings as you are to. When I hear a tsunami could it not it’ll be devastating but could it not also be a tsunamis of the Holy Spirit?

Perry: Well you know because the Bible uses the metaphor of water pouring out the Spirit in the last days you do have to when you have certain visions or dreams have to look at the interpretation of the symbolism as well. What I try to distinguish is how much symbolism was actually in the vision or dream like serpents or water or sheep or lamb or wheat or fruit trees verses does it appear to be more literal.  Now in the second one the second one I’m going to tell you about which is the main one this was very literal. We were in a city I don’t exactly know where it was I did see a sign but I’m very careful not to name it because when I do this people call us and people begin to panic and they begin to say “Should I move or whatever.” And people just have to pray and know the mind of God God will direct His people. My wife and I were in an apartment overlooking a city and we noticed over top of the city there were dark clouds beginning to form.  And I told her “Get everyone inside the building for security purposes I feel like something’s about to happen.” I then turned to a glass window this is a double story building and this was very clear I could see it just like it were yesterday.  And I looked toward the water and I noticed that there was a sign that this bridge was affecting a city on the east coast which it is somewhere on the east coast. And suddenly the strangest thing I saw a wave just come out of this water and it washed over the bridge and I saw the bridge begin to fall and the most bazaar part Sid was I saw the shadow of the Twin Towers come up out of the water not the towers themselves but a ghostly looking shadow that came up out of the water which made me wonder was this event caused by a terrorist attack? Was it caused by a sleeper cell or terrorist attack that was somehow going to affect this particular area of the country?  And I remember the wave came in the wave was taking a 2 story buildings that was on the water shore that was not far from this bridge.  And I did a little bit of research later and found out that this area is connected by bridges there is a lot of bridges in the area. There’s never been an actual warning of a natural tsunamis in that area but we know how those were also caused they’re caused by an earthquake an underwater earthquake and as it happened in Indonesia or it happened in Japan. But I’m really sensing and I don’t want to get sidetracked here on something but when we go back and look at Genesis chapter 19 at the incident that happened at the 5 cities at the plain Sodom and Gomorrah, Admah and Zeboiim, and how sudden destruction came to those cities because the first covenant that God ever established as you know is the covenant of a man and a woman.  God cut Adams rib in order to produce Eve, and the very first major commandment God gave was “Be fruitful and multiply.”  So the first covenant was a man and woman, the first commandment covenant that is “Be fruitful and multiply.” And we see the entire society now contradicting that and passing and I call it passing laws that are abomination before God. We know that if that type of thing happens and it continues to happen that God has to permit the same type of judgments to happen to America or whatever country they might be involved with the same type of issue as it would be with Sodom and Gomorrah.  And someone asked me the other day which I thought was a good question they said “Perry why do you think that America comes under a selective judgment faster than a nation that doesn’t know the Bible?” And I said “Where little is known little is required; but where much is known much is required.”  We have been a nation of the Bible, a nation of the covenant a nation that is founded is a fact by early fathers who did believe in Christ. Not all of them were not necessarily Christians there was a few deist or a few other beliefs there but majority were Christians and they established this land in covenant with the Almighty they believe God divinely raised it up. So if we take the covenant of our ancestors, and this is a phrase used in the book of Leviticus the covenant of the ancestors; and we begin to do things shedding of innocent blood is one in Matthew 23 talks about that the warning why Jerusalem was destroyed was because of the shedding of innocent blood and the other issue is the covenant of what we call marriage the man and woman and if we begin to contradict that and say “God you really don’t know what You’re talking about and we’re in a different time and culture and we’re going to do our thing.” It positions the entire nation into a situation of seeing some very horrendous things happen in the future. And it’s real odd Sid because there’s 2 paths that we’re on one path is a outpouring of the Spirit, gospel being preached, revival path and it fabulous the greatest outpouring of the Holy Spirit. We’re having conferences here in Cleveland with 4 to 6000 young people with 500 at one time being baptized in the Holy Spirit it’s the most phenomenal thing I’ve seen in my life time. The other side of the track almost running parallel with this is the, I call it “The days of Lot and the days of Noah track” where the signs of the days of Lot and the days of Noah are being fulfilled in front of our very eyes. And one track is very negative and the other track is very positive and depending on how an individual’s relationship is with God and the covenant that they have with God if you have a covenant you can be on that positive track headed to the kingdom. If you don’t have a covenant relationship with God you’re on the days of Lot and the days of Noah track in the sense of that was the track that saw 2 of the greatest judgments of their time. One was the universal flood and the other was of course the destruction of 4 out of 5 cities there near the Dead Sea and the southern part of Israel.  And so I’m seeing that something is up, something is going to happen and it does concern me but at the same time I do know God is very much in charge and God’s people have to keep faith in their heart.  You know the most troubling parable to me Sid is that one in Luke where the woman goes before the judge and keeps asking for the judge to avenge her and then Jesus said “Shall not God avenge His elected cry day and night to Him.” And then the last part of that says “When the Son of man comes shall He find faith on the earth?” And the implication there is that people’s faith can become weak at the very time of the end and they could become like Lot’s wife and look back as the greatest deliverance that’s ever happened the return of the Messiah is taking place.

Sid: Perry I have to ask you a question and I’m sure others have asked you this “Why do you teach so much about Israel and Jewish roots?”

Perry: The real reason I believe for this is number 1 is in my earlier ministry which began in 1979 up to about 1984. I basically taught faith, the Holy Spirit baptism.  Of course I was an evangelist having revivals that would go 3 or 4 weeks in most churches where we would go. My first trip to Israel totally altered and transformed me and I know that you go to Israel and people really need to take a trip with you because you are so transformed in your knowledge it’s not just seeing the place it’s the knowledge. I realized when I went there #1 is I didn’t know as much as I thought having been raised in a church I didn’t know as much as I thought. Then I saw the prophetic element and when I saw the prophetic element I came to this realization I came back and realized went back into what I called the First Covenant or people call it the Old Testament. But I went back to the prophets and I began to realize that everything that they predicted about the time of the end is somehow linked to Israel, it’s linked to Jerusalem. For example Zachariah chapters 12 though 14 is totally linked to Jerusalem; it’s linked to God building up Jerusalem, Psalms 102 verse 16 “When the Lord builds up Zion then He will appear in His glory.”  And I began to look at these scripture and I began to realize okay Israel, Jerusalem, the return of the Jewish people, the blessing that’s going to come upon the land all of this happens really before the Messiah returns. It set up the process begins before he sets up His Kingdom on earth.  And that’s when I thought “Hey we’re missing something here.” Being raised a 4^th generation minster in a more traditional full gospel church we basically taught either from the 4 gospels or the 4 books of Acts in a Sunday morning message. And then we come into the Epistles and taught the guidelines of living but what was missing when I grew up and I’m talking about my father was a great man of God and a great pastor and a great preacher but he admitted later “Perry I never understood the prophetic aspect because when we came up, and Israel became a nation in 1948, and the 6 Day War took place in ’67 we knew that it was significant but we didn’t have the knowledge to put it together. And Sid he said something to me that I’ll never forget I said “Dad why do you think that your generation didn’t quite understand the prophetic part of this?” And here’s what He said to me he said “Son because my generation was not the last generation.” When the last generation comes the final generation before the Messiah returns that’s the generation that will have the clear total understanding but like God said to Daniel “Seal the book until the time at the end then many will run to and fro…”

Sid: So that begs the question are we in the final generation?

Perry: With all of my heart especially with what you see in Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Israel, Lebanon, what you see taking in the northern part of Africa, the situation with the EU, the situation with America I honestly believe Sid you know you’ve got the blood moon issue which are definitely prophetic cycles which are definitely taken place the lunar eclipses I believe we are really and truly in the time of the end.  For me to sit here and say “How many years is that, how many months is that” I stay clear of that despite the fact I do a lot of research on cycles and patterns. I do believe however that the great revival, and you’re experiencing some of that yourself when you have gone to Israel. The great revival among the Hebrew people. And not only that there’s this really amazing visitation of God with visions and dreams among the Muslim people all over the world. That type of thing is indicating to me that the gospel is getting to the nations and that’s what’s going to have to happen to bring in the kingdom to the earth where Messiah can come to Jerusalem to rule for that thousand years that John talked about in Revelation 20. So I really do believe that we are in that time called the time of the end. And honestly Sid it’s about the most exciting time to live right now; you and I couldn’t have picked a better time. I mean you and I could not have picked it but you know our parents did I guess.

Sid: No, no God chose us to be here I believe we are created our DNA…Perry Stone your DNA was created from heaven to be able to do what you’re doing. Tell me…but my producer told me that I really got to find out about this Rabbi Samuel; tell me about him.

Perry:  This is intriguing, a Rabbi Eudemon Samuel was a Greensburg German Hasidic Rabbi in born about the year 1217 but he made these amazing predictions about Jerusalem and the coming Messiah.  A little background in his day at age 55 he wrote 2 books.  Now one of them has been lost and the other one I remember my Jewish guide showed me this book way back in the ‘80s but it was in Hebrew. The time frame that he was dealing with was 1096 to about 1270. And this was before what was known back then as the crusaders lost Palestine, of course I’m using old terms here the Rabbi would have used back then to the Muslims in about 1291.  And this was his exact quote okay it says “When the Ottoman Turks conquered Jerusalem they would rule over Jerusalem for 8 Jubilees; afterwards Jerusalem will become a no man’s land for one Jubilee and then in the 9^th Jubilee it will once again come back into procession of the Jewish nation. They will signify which would signify the beginning of the Messianic end time.” So quick let me run through this in Leviticus 25 a Jubilee is 7 times 7 years or 49 years with a 50^th year itself be the Jubilee the Jubilee is every technically every 50 years is the great Shabbat in other words. Alright now when the Rabbi gave this description about the Ottoman Turks 300 years later after he wrote this in the year 1517 the Turks took Palestine and the city of Jerusalem and several years later they started rebuilding the walls and you know this you’ve been to Israel enough those crusaders castle looking walls in Jerusalem were actually built by the Turks they weren’t built by Herod the Great.  And so they start rebuilding the walls of Jerusalem.   Now this Rabbi…imagine this now I mean this is like in the 13 centuries writing this he said “There’s going to be 8 Jubilees, so 50 times 8.” Fifty is a Jubilee multiplied 8 times or 400 years that is exact time the Turks had Jerusalem from 1517 to 1917 exactly 400 years which is 8 Jubilees.  Then his next prediction is this alright in the 9^th Jubilee it will once again go back into the hands as a Jewish nation. So 1917 let’s go ahead 50 years which is the next Jubilee which is 1967 during the 6 Day War Jerusalem was reunited it became the Capitol of Israel at the end of the 9^th Jubilee based on his timing, based on Rabbi Ben Samuels timing. That was a period of 50 years there’s a Jubilee. Then he says this and this is what’s so exciting to me he’s been so right on these other predictions. He says “In the 10^th Jubilee would fall from 1967 to the year 2017. From the 9^th to the 10^th Jubilee will be the Messianic era the timeframe of the Messiah. So when you look at this to me it’s very exciting because you know a person can make prediction after prediction if they missed it at some point it kind of messes up with the rest of their prediction. He’s hit it on the head with these Jubilee cycles. And you know from a rabbinical thought Biblical numbers mean things; first 6 is man; 7 is perfection; 8 is new beginnings; 5 is the number of grace. But when you look at the Jubilee cycles there are entire books that were found at Qumran.  Entire scrolls called the Book of Jubilees where the writer put everything in Israel’s history on Jubilee cycles. And the there is definitely without a doubt patterns to be found in the Jubilee so if the Rabbis previous predictions have proven so correct. Part 1 the 8 Jubilees, Second part the 9^th Jubilee. And this 3^rd part would be 10the Jubilee from 1967 to 2007 that means we are now for the next 7 years are entering into what’s called the Messianic Era where the emphasis is going to be on the Jewish Messiah. And it’s going to be on our Yeshua the one that we love and He is going to manifest His presence, He is going to manifest His visions, His dreams to people and we are going to see the greatest understanding of who Jesus is.  Your know Sid the whole battle…

Sid: I’ll tell you what hold that thought Perry.

SID: I’m pretty overwhelmed of the concepts that God is downloading to David Herzog, this whole concept of appealing to the Court of Heaven. How did that start in your life?

DAVID: Yeah, it started when I was in a meeting and there was a boy there. There had been great miracles and the mother was crying, and I said, “Why are you crying?” She said, “My son here is going to go to jail for many, many years. Tuesday is the court case.” “What did he do?” “Well, he did something really bad on the Internet involving pornography but on the level that would put him in jail for many, many years, and they have all the evidence. They have his computer.” I asked the boy, “Is that true?” He said, “Yeah, I messed up.” He got saved, he repented. And then I said, “Let’s go to the Judge of Heaven and Earth before you got to the earthly judge and present your case to him.” And we did that, went through the protocol. He repented. He had a call on his life for ministry. We presented our case and I felt I heard the Judge say, “It is finished. He’s forgiven.” And he goes to the court on Tuesday.

Judge: You know you’re going to go to jail for a long time because of all the evidence we have against you.

DAVID: He said, “Even if I go to jail I want God to use me. I’m just happy, I’m saved, I’m free.” The judge and the lawyer threw the case out when he heard his testimony.

Judge: This case is closed.

DAVID: And so actually as it was in Heaven, it mimicked on Earth. He didn’t deserve it, but neither do any of us.

SID: So that’s where you first got this revelation. Now you say repentance is very key to this. Explain.

DAVID: Yeah. So when you go to the Court of Heaven for anything, let’s say finances or health, or anything that it seems like it’s not working, in the natural you take it to court. If something is not working to get things done sometimes you got to go to court. So you go to, you got to go to God as the judge, not just as the healer for healing. When you need justice you got to go to the judge. And so that’s how I started understanding it, wow, there’s got to be a judge in Heaven if there’s one on Earth, on Earth as it is in Heaven. And that’s kind of how it started happening. And in my own life I would start praying, and I would take things to the Court of Heaven, not just to Heaven. A financial situation for someone who owed me a huge amount of money, decided not to pay it from overseas. And two days later, all this money was wired back. He had an emergency business meeting and the money came back. While I was in Russia, I was detained because of the books in Russia I had. And my wife reminded, Stephanie reminded me, she said, “Honey, let’s go to the court of Heaven.” We did it while we were in a detention type place, and five minutes later after being held for a while, they said, “You can go.” And I said, “Why did you detain us?” They go, “Don’t ask, just go.”

SID: You know what I love about David is that God downloads these revelations. He then experiments with himself and his family with these revelations then he teaches to others, and people are getting amazing answers to prayer. Now one of the importances of repentance is because of the accuser of the brethren. Explain.

DAVID: Yes. So when you go to the Court of Heaven, a lot of times a little voice comes in your ear and says, well you’re not perfect. You did this or you said that. And a lot of times you say, yeah, oh that’s right, I can’t pray. That’s the accuser of the brethren accusing you so you don’t feel you have boldness to go to the Throne. But the judge in the court will say, sorry devil, that evidence is not remissible in this court because it’s already been repented of. So when repentant of sin, it’s not just something that God forgives you only, but also so you have authority in the Courtroom of Heaven to get your prayers answered.

SID: You have a great, great love for new agers and you were recently in a store with a new ager, and you had quite an encounter. Tell me about that.

DAVID: Yeah. Well the reason I love them is they’re looking for love, joy, peace, but just in the wrong places, but they’re sincere. Many of them are really sincere. So I go in this and this lady is really nice, and she knows me. I go there to get a sandwich or something, or a salad, or a raw food place. She goes, “Where have you been?”

Woman: So where have you been? I haven’t seen you.

DAVID: I was in Peru. We opened a blind eye.

Woman: Oh. So did you learn all the mystical things of that country?

DAVID: No, people came to our meetings. How was your week?

Woman: Good. I levitated off the ground yesterday, a few inches.

DAVID: How did you do that?

Woman: Well I invited 3000 Buddhas in me.

DAVID: They weren’t Buddhas. They were demons.

Woman: No. They were Buddhas.

DAVID: Did they look Chinese with little bellies?

Woman: No, they were actually ugly and skinny.

DAVID: They’re demons. And then she said, “Well I was very uncomfortable when I was levitating.” I said, “I would be, too, if I had 3000 demons inside me. And then she came back down, she said, off the ground, and then she said that Jesus appeared to her.

Woman: When I came back off the ground, Jesus appeared to me.

DAVID: Isn’t Jesus great? He rose from the dead.

Woman: I know. I did, too.

DAVID: You rose from the dead? She clinically was dead in the hospital. She said Jesus appeared to her, she rose from the dead, but no one shared the Gospel with her, so she was kind of searching in new age and psychic stuff. Nice lady. I said, “Then what happened?”

Woman: And I got to this place called the Kingdom of Heaven. Have you heard of it? But I wasn’t allowed in. There was this loud voice and this big bright light, and it said, “No man comes to the Father but through me.”

DAVID: I said, “I can tell you what’s going on.” I said, “You have all these other lovers, these other boyfriends, different, which is false gods, Hinduism, Buddhism, new age, and He’s the one who saved you. He’s the one who rose you from the dead. He is the one that can save your soul and he’s not going to stop pursuing you. He’s a jealous God. He wants only you for Himself.” And she started crying, and I got to pray with her and lead her to the Lord.

SID: You said something so fascinating to me. You said that when you were in France you were having a hard time reaching the people, and God spoke to you and told you to go to Israel.

DAVID: Yes.

SID: And then your ministry really opened up in France. Why going to Israel? Why not go to New York City?

DAVID: Yeah. I was in France. It was really hard. I was in France, less than one percent Christian. I was there 12 years and the first few months I was there nothing was working. So I fasted and prayed for three days and said, “God, what am I doing wrong?” He said, “Do what Paul did. Paul went to the Jew first,” though he was called to the Gentiles in Europe. That’s the Roman Empire. I said, “Okay, how do I do that?” He goes, “Just do what I tell you.” I said, “What do you want me to do?” “Go to Israel.” So I said, “Go to Israel? Why would I go to Israel when I’m in France? I just got here. I have no money.” He goes, “Sell your car.” Sold my car for the exact amount of money the trip cost, joined our tour team from our Bible school, led 32 people to the Lord. And when I got back to France we were in five years of non-stop revival, ending in a six-month revival, was the longest revival in 50 years in one church in Paris. It was just, the Lord told me, “If you touch Israel and touch the Jewish people first he’ll bring the Gentile harvest.”

SID: That’s such an amazing truth. So few realize this, you would reach more Gentiles by reaching to the Jew first than by going to the Gentile first. It’s called the spiritual law of evangelism. When we come back I’m going to have David give you a revelation of how you can get the blessings your ancestors were robbed of, when we come back.

SID: I tell you what, I need a miracle. This atmosphere of Heaven affects everything in your life, everything. If you can operate in that atmosphere, for instance, tell me about how the atmosphere Heaven affects ideas.

JOSHUA: We were in Singapore several years ago and I saw God releasing packages upon people, giving gifts. And they were coming down in just little tiny presents upon people. And in that atmosphere I asked people to lift up their hands and just receive what God was doing. Well there was a businessman from California who owned a bakery and he began to receive these gifts from Heaven. And as he was receiving them, God began to give him a download, literally a blueprint for the plan that he needed to follow in his business in order to do a gourmet line of pastries, gave him the whole detail how to roll it how, how to make it functional, and God blessed it. And I ended up getting pastries on my doorstop for quite a while after that because God blessed him such a wonderful way.

SID: But it is amazing when you do things God’s way how you prosper. For instance, did you know you could be in the atmosphere of Heaven for evangelism. Joshua and I both had good friends that are in Heaven now, the Happy Hunters. And I never knew this, but they had a visitation from an angel telling people…

JOSHUA: Right.

SID: To teach people the simplest, easy way, easiest way, I personally had ever seen for evangelism. Tell me what this angel instructed them.

JOSHUA: This angel came to Francis as she was sitting in a restaurant, and said, “Would you like a new tool for sewing?” And of course, Francis was very excited to receive it. At that time she didn’t realize it was an angel. She thought it was just a man in the restaurant. So she said, “Yes, I’d like it.” And he said, “Okay, I’ll tell you how to do it.” And so he instructed her. And then, and she said, “Wow, that’s amazing. I never heard anything like that.” And he said, “Let me do it. I’ll show you how this works.” And she said, “No, no, no, let me do it because you’ve told me how to do it.”

SID: That sounds like Francis.

JOSHUA: It was Francis. I mean, she was just a go-getter. And the waitress came to the table, and Francis asked the waitress and said, “Did you realize that there’s only two kinds of waitresses that work at this restaurant, those who are saved and those who are about to be. Which one are you?” And the next thing Francis knew this waitress was crying, tears just coming out of her eyes, tears streaming down her eyes. She said, “I need to be saved. I’m about to be saved.” And when she said that, Francis just led her in the sinner’s prayer, and she accepted the Lord. And Francis said that she had to go back behind the scenes for at least ten minutes to kind of get herself together before she could even come back out again, because God had done such a transforming work in her life.

SID: This is the difference between life and death. This is the difference between living and just living the way you are, living in the oxygen of Heaven. If you like things the way they are, then don’t say this prayer. But you know, a very wise man said, if you keep doing the same things, the same way and expect different results, you’re meshuga, you’re crazy. Say this prayer with me: Dear God, please forgive me of all of my sins. I’m so sorry. I believe the blood of Jesus washes away my sins and I’m clean. And now that I’m clean I make Jesus my Messiah and Lord. Amen. Joshua, get to the piano right now and I want you to play supernatural music. And that you that said that prayer, I want you to know what God says: Though your sins be a scarlet they’re as white as snow and you are righteous. And get ready for the simple supernatural through Joshua’s music.

[music]

JOSHUA: [singing] The Glory Realm, the realm of eternity, the realm of the heavenlies, the Glory realm. [talking] I want you to lift up your hands with the Glory [singing] what’s here now. The Glory Realm, the realm that the angels sing, the realm of our Heavenly King, it’s the Realm of God. It’s the Realm of God, yeah, yeah. What’s the Realm? It’s the Realm of God. It’s the Realm and I want to live, I want to dwell in this realm forever. And I want to be in the secret place just to see your face. And I want to live, I want to dwell in this realm forever, worshiping you in the secret place, in the secret. I want to stand in the secret, to stand in the Glory, stand in the secret place, stand in the Glory and receive what God is doing, how he’s moving, what he’s really saying. Just receive what God is doing, how he’s moving, what he’s really saying. Just receive, just receive it. Whoa…

SID: Rabbi Schneider, how might demons manifest themselves to people and in what ways, and some, I understand, they think it’s themselves and it’s really not.

RABBI SCHNEIDER: Absolutely. That is such a key for us to realize that many of the problems that we’re dealing with, things like fear, sadness, anger, addiction, these are not just natural problems. These are supernatural problems and that’s one of the keys to getting deliverance over darkness is to recognize that many of the thoughts that we have that cause defeat and torment in one’s life are not originating from within, they’re originating from the outside. I like to describe a demon as a personal evil with intelligence that seeks to occupy space, either space in our mind so that it’s affecting our thought life, or even space in our body. And when someone is walking around let’s say depressed all the time, they have to realize that God is happy. So if God is happy and they’re depressed, where is the depression coming from? And although often times there are some natural reasons, what happens is, is that demons connect to personal vulnerabilities, personal weaknesses in our own life and they make a natural problem a supernatural problem that requires a supernatural solution and a supernatural activation to break it off.

SID: Will demons just leave on their own if you do nothing about it?

RABBI SCHNEIDER: Absolutely not. Demons are intruders and they will not leave on their own. Sid, I think about a dream that I had not too long ago and in this dream I was living in this really dilapidated house. It was really small, you know, maybe like a 15 by 15-foot room. It was old. It was kind of falling apart. You could feel the atmosphere in there. It was dark and depressing and I was sad in that space. And then 20 yards away from me, from this dilapidated house I was living in, I could see another house and this other house was like a 3000-square foot home, it was brand new, it was contemporary, it was clean, it was attractive. It had a light happy feeling to it. And in the dream, Sid, I knew that that beautiful house was mine and yet here I was living in this dilapidated space. Then I realized, why was I living in this dilapidated space when that beautiful home 20 yards away was mine that I could be living in. And of course, houses represent a place that we live. And I realized as the dream continued that the reason I was not taking possession of the beautiful house is because there were demons living in the home. I could see the demons in the dream. They were in the form of human beings, but I could see by the energy that these human beings were giving off that were in my house, violent, hateful, intense energy. Because those demons were in the home as squatters, they didn’t have a right to be there and they weren’t going to leave on their own, I realized that my fear of going into that house and taking occupancy of it was what was keeping me from living in that space. Eventually I got so sick and tired of living in that dilapidated small depressed space, I made up my mind I was going to take possession of that beautiful home that the Lord gave me. So in the dream, Sid, I went to that beautiful house, again 20 yards away, I stood outside the door and I waited for the head demon to come out.

Male voice: This house is mine. No demon can stop you from taking possession of this house.

RABBI SCHNEIDER: When he came out I took a hold of him, threw him on the ground and I just started on him, ramming my fist in his face, and at first, it seemed like nothing was happening. I felt totally impotent, powerless, but I was so committed to getting free, so tired of being sick and tired, I just kept punching. And all of a sudden, all the air went out from him and he was gone, and I was able to take possession of my home. But I had to confront him and make him leave. He wasn’t going to leave on his own.

SID: There are ways that most are ignorant of. Yet these demons try to occupy our homes. What are some of the openings that we have that we may not even be aware of?

RABBI SCHNEIDER: Yes, in other words, how can they gain entrance?

SID: Yeah.

RABBI SCHNEIDER: And things for example, like unforgiveness. I learned about this again from a prophetic dream. And as a new believer, you know I read Jesus’ words years ago, “Forgive and you shall be forgiven”, and I thought, Lord, won’t you just forgive me. And I really didn’t understand how important it as for me to forgive people. And what happened was the Lord taught me this lesson through a dream. I was in another house, completely different dream, but again took place in a house. Remember, Jesus spoke about the person that was delivered from demons and the demon left, and he said, “If that house that he was evicted from wasn’t put in order…” So sometimes our spiritual space is what the Bible uses to symbolize a house. So in other words, I’m in this house and I’m being tormented in this house. There is something behind me that was just tormenting and oppressing me. I couldn’t see what it was. I could just feel the oppression. And in the home I kept on running from room to room to try to escape this tormenter behind me. No matter what room I went into, this tormentor wouldn’t leave. Finally after this went on for some time, I felt the gaze of God come down upon me. I literally felt the gaze of the eye of the Father from Heaven come down upon me, Sid, in the dream. And then the Lord showed me, as his gaze was upon me, somebody in my life that I hadn’t forgiven and he said to me, “Release them.” And as soon as I released them that tormentor was gone. So demons can gain access through unforgiveness. When we stay in unforgiveness we’re legally opening up a place where a demon can get in and torment us. The same thing with willful sin. When someone is willfully living outside of God’s moral boundaries, he places himself in a position where demons have access to him. A big one is generational spirits, spirits that have been in our families.

SID: Like if there’s divorce for the last three generations, you don’t have to be a mental giant.

RABBI SCHNEIDER: Exactly. And you know, even things like depression. You know, if your mom was depressed and your dad was depressed, chances are you’re going to have to deal with that spirit and break it out of your existence, out of your life.

SID: You teach that we should refuse to be intimidated by these spirits. What do you mean?

RABBI SCHNEIDER: Well what I mean is that we know that Jesus is Lord. Every knee shall bow, every tongue confess that Jesus is Lord. He reigns and because he reigns I refuse to allow a demon to have dominion over me. I see this in my own life and see this when I exercise demons out of other people. When we know that they have to leave because Jesus is Lord and we’re his, and he’s ours, they will leave. You know, it’s like I heard you say before, Sid, they won’t leave until they know that you know they have to leave.

SID: Rabbi Schneider, there are people all over the world right now that are struggling with bad thoughts, with demonic problems, with sickness. When we come back I want you to tell us things that God has taught you so that they can be free. Be right back.