Sid Roth

Sid: My guest by way of telephone is as red hot as they come his name is Michael Champagne. I’m speaking to him from his home in Palisade, Colorado he was deeply involved in Satanism. Michael I must ask you this question, the devils not too happy the fact that you were reaching all of these people for him and now you’re a believer in Jesus and you’re reaching as many people as possible for Jesus. Are you fearful of the demonic?

Michael: Huh, no not even close.

Sid: Why?

Michael: I just…

Sid: I mean the demonic… there is power in the demonic why aren’t you fearful?

Michael: It’s not even a wading pool to the power I’ve experienced being a servant in God’s court there’s no comparison.

Sid: So why are most Christians afraid of the devil?

Michael: Because they’ve never experienced the truth of God’s power.

Sid: I’ll tell you something there are people that need to hear this. You told my producer that you have a goal and your goal is to reach as many people as you can for the Lord but in a very untraditional way. I mean you want to reach people through the supernatural demonstration of God’s power that’s not the way it’s done in most churches today Michael.

Michael: Nope.

Sid: So tell me what… give me an example of the power of God tell me one people that you reached using the power of God.

Michael: This was about I was in Durango a couple of years ago and I was sitting there and…

Sid: What’s Durango?

Michael: It’s another town in Colorado.

Sid: Okay.

Michael: It’s a heavy witchcraft town. I’m sitting there and I’m walking around doing outreach with some friends of mine and there’s these 2 kids at the park and this park is known for people that smoke pot and do rituals and stuff like that. So we go there and I walk up to this kid and I said “Do you believe in Jesus Christ?” And he was like “No.” He’s like “Do you believe in the devil?” “Yeah.” And I was like “Well that’s interesting.” Do you believe that you have a demon inside of you?” “Absolutely not” and I told him “Okay if I can cast that demon out of you with the power of God would you believe that Jesus Christ has sent me here as a messenger to tell you that the life that you’re living is not the life He has for you; that He is the only way to salvation.” He was like “I guess.”

Sid: Wait a second how did you know he had a demon?

Michael: I could see it in him.

Sid: Okay so there’s no guess work on your part go ahead.

Michael: (Laughing) And so you know I looked him dead in the eyes like I always do when I do deliverance on people and I said “In the name…

Sid: Excuse me why do you look them dead in the eyes?

Michael: Because the eyes are the windows to the soul if the eyes are light the body’s full of light.

Sid: Okay you’re looking them in their eye.

Michael: And I could see the demons start twisting inside of them and he knows what’s fixing to come and this kid doesn’t have a clue what’s going on. I said “In the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth I command every evil spirit in you to leave now!” And the kid starts like choking (Aa-ha) and he starts spitting out this like black bile out of his mouth and a second later he looks at me and he’s like terrified. And he’s like “Okay I want to accept Christ right now!”

Sid: Now most Christians would say “I believe that’s true but the person has to want to be set free I mean it sounds to me like you just went after that spirit you didn’t even care what he wanted.

Michael: The kid?

Sid: Yeah.

Michael: You know I’ve got a lot of criticism because of my technique but let me tell you something the drowning person…. you know if I’m in a life raft I’m not going to say “The life raft needs you you need to jump into the life raft because it really needs you drowning person.” No you look at that drowning person you then come up out of the water and say “You need this life raft!”

Sid: Michael you’re getting me excited give me another example of using the supernatural to reach people with the gospel.

Michael: There’s a time when I was speaking at a Presbyterian Church one of those really old ones and I had no idea I was going to do this all of a sudden I hear the voice of God say “Michael in 10 seconds I want you to call out My name and call down the fire of God.” This was a really stuffy Presbyterian Church too.

Sid: Listen you can be an unstuffy church and that would cause major excitement but go ahead.

Michael: And so I sat there and I said “Okay” in the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth I call down the holy fire from heaven.” And as soon as I said that 15 people got baptized in the Holy Spirit right there in this old stuffy church. And God picked like the stuffiest of this church to get baptized in the Holy Spirit.

Sid: Listen Michael you are provoking so many of our people myself included to jealousy. All of us are different stages in our walk with God; all of us are different understandings, but all of us know there’s so much more there’s so much more for you there’s so much more for anyone that is listening to us. So many of us are let’s say stuck in what we know and have been stuck there for a long time. How do we get unstuck? Am I making myself clear?

Michael: Yeah yeah I understand what you’re saying. That’s the hardest part I’m telling you you know moving in the supernatural is easy because you ain’t doing nothing. It’s just so angering but it’s that first initial surrender. It’s that “Okay God theres more to this than meets the eye I need to have everything I have everything You want for me, I want to move in all the gifts if You want for me here I am.” That’s the hard part and you have to strip away every preconceived mindset you know.

Sid: It’s much easier to start with a brand… I would imagine from your viewpoint it’s easier for you start with a brand new teenager that knows nothing than someone that’s God’s frozen chosen that’s been in the church for 50 years.

Michael: Yeah you know what it’s not teaching the frozen chosen it’s unteaching them that’s hard.

Sid: It’s like learning tennis if you learn how to play tennis wrong it’s hard to then learn it right or golf for that matter.

Michael: You know I come across these teenagers Sid that don’t even have a clue what the supernatural is and they’ll be moving in it fairly quickly because I have I teach them straight from the Bible and then I give them practical experience.

Sid: Do you find young people is easier to work with are you a little prejudice tell me the truth now Michael.

Michael: No I’m not I have taught young people and I have taught old people and…

Sid: Good!

Michael: And then in between young people have the easiest time letting go is what it is. Old people that are stuck in their ways and this is the way we’ve always done it and you know I’ve been a Christians for 40 years and what have you done in that 40 years? Sit in my church? Well then you ain’t really been a Christian have you?

Sid: Okay what… give me some suggestions just a couple suggestions of what someone can do to get from where they are to that next point.

Michael: The first thing I would suggest is that to go into your quiet time and ask God that’s what I did you know. I just said “God I want to be right where Your Shekina Fire is; I want to know You in a supernatural uniquely and unique way,” and He did it. And He did it. He wants us more than we know He wants it.

Sid: Now correct me if I’m wrong this is my opinion I can’t say a “Thus sayeth the Lord.” But I believe that we’re living in such an unusual time in which God wants to have mercy on every human on planet earth at this moment that I believe it’s going to be easier than ever in history for those that are red hot for Jesus to walk in the gifts of the Spirit.

Michael: That’s absolutely right I mean the Bible makes it very clear that the end times that they’ll be a last outpouring.

Sid: Now if like on tomorrow’s broadcast you were to pray for my Mishpochah to surrender and move in the Spirit. If someone really and truly wants to will your agreement in prayer make a difference for them?

Michael: I think it does because God has set aside Apostles, Prophets and Teachers, Pastors and Evangelist for equipping of the saints for the work of the ministry and that’s what I am I’m an equipper. I believe that my prayer and I’m not any favorite of God or anything but I believe that my prayer will help because I have walked where they’re wanting to walk.

Sid: Now you know most Christians are pretty much religious in their prayers and really don’t believe God’s going to answer them. How come God answers your prayers?

Michael: Because I believe.

Sid: It’s that simple?

Michael: Yeah it really is I mean that’s all that’s the only prerequisite God has for moving in His power and praying in power is belief believe that it’s already happened is what He’s said exactly and then it’ll be done for you. We have a hard time looking with eyes of faith because we don’t know what the eyes of faith are. Eyes of faith are if God tells you “You’re going to get a new car” you clean out your garage.

Sid: Alright what if someone has a physical disease right now and they’re praying to be healed. What should their eyes of faith be telling them?

Michael: Depending on the disease do something you haven’t done before. If you can’t walk real good or can’t walk at all in Jesus Christ’s name I command you to get up and be healed and walk.

Sid: It sounds too simple Michael.

Michael: That’s the way it is faith is simple.

Sid: Now let me ask you a question, had you seen the real power of God in that Baptist Church you never would have had a walk the side trip through the demonic?

Michael: Probably not.

Sid: So I would think one of the things that the devil fears the most is for Christians to act like Christians.

Michael: Oh yeah absolutely, absolutely he is just livid he hates it more than anything when a Christian gets off the pews, gets off the chair you know stops the Sunday morning ritual and really does what Jesus did.

Sid: Mishpochah consider yourself challenged. I’m speaking to Michael Champagne he’s a young man that is on fire for God and what your hearing you say “Oh it’s so wonderful.” But Michael I believe it’s called normal Christianity not abnormal you’re just normal but it’s so different than most people. I’ll tell you what I can’t wait for him to pray for you tomorrow….