Sid Roth

Sid: Oh I hope you heard the testimony yesterday of Gary Whetstone I mean Gary was an all American type kid everything going right in his life, a good athlete, a good student a freak auto accident he accident he can’t participate in sports anymore. He gets in with motorcycle gangs and drugs and gun dealing and gradually full of fear and hatred. And to make a long story short he literally went insane and his parents had to put him into a mental institution it was a mental institution for the criminally insane there was no hope so they wanted to do a procedure that is similar to a lobotomy. He’d end up having his mind reduced to a 3 year old permanently there was nothing else they could do. They’re ready to do the procedure a couple days before a stranger walks in and leads him to the Lord he has a supernatural encounter with Jesus. He tries to explain he’s normal his mind is normal they don’t believe him, a voice says run he runs out of that hospital and supernaturally he gets out of there there’s no way that you can get out of a high security mental hospital like that the way he did but 6 weeks later he decides to go back to the hospital. Gary that took what we Jewish people call Chutzpah nerve how could you go back to that place?

Gary: You know Sid I had the greatest uncanny peace inside of me that somehow I was never going to live as a fugitive on the run but God someway…I didn’t even know who He was but I had something inside of me that just said “Will you go back submit yourself to that mental hospital. And I remember knocking on the door of the mental hospital and they looked at me and they say “You have an APB for all cities states to find you, your marked, armed, dangerous, what are you doing here?” And I said to them if you will please I want you to understand and they called the guards and they got a hold of me and I said “Give me no drugs, do not put me in any isolation ward, put me in a mixed community where there’s men and women and I’ll show you that I am truly sane.”

Sid: So weren’t you afraid that they wouldn’t believe you just as they did 6 weeks earlier?

Gary: Well I tell you Sid I had all I had to believe in was that little tiny voice inside and the fear of knowing that these people don’t know God. They don’t believe in God they don’t have any reference to God I mean the fear of totally insane to convincing people you’re sane. I’ll tell you I just remember the gripping like cold fingers like and ice drip down the back of my neck while I’m standing there looking at this man and saying to him I want to come back into the mental hospital and prove I’m sane after being in there 6 weeks. And I mean to tell you I just was….I had no idea how God did it but He did it He produced the proof and they released me from the mental hospital with a clean bill of mental health.

Sid: And then so many wonderful things happened after that God restored your marriage he put you into ministry, he made you and put into business. You had multimillion dollar corporation and if there is ever been a man that has empathy for people with fear with the things that you went through in your life. Tell me as best you understand why you wrote the book “Make Fear Bow.” As I understand it this was not your idea this was God’s.

Gary: Yes it was I had a prayer meeting that I was going to be leading in London and before I left to leave the prayer summit in London I had the Spirit of the Lord speak to me for everyone in our church to write down the 4 greatest areas of prayer needs that they had. And I took it was well over a thousand prayer requests with me and I went into my room and I prayed over everyone of the points, over everyone of the people and I found that over 80% of all of the prayers needs circumvent or focus on the element of fear. And it was just like a shock to me realizing that you take 800 adults out of a 1000 and 800 of them are paralyzed by an influenced called fear. It was because of that that I wrote this book “Make Fear Bow” because I studied every cause of fear, every reaction of fear, every way that fear works whether it’s the individual or whether it’s a family, whether it’s a group whether it’s a society, it’s a nation and today we’ve got these people running around called terrorist. The issue is not that they kill people the issue is that they paralyze people with terror and the control that fear has. Out of that time of prayer I wrote this book and just like Marilyn Hickey wrote the forward of this and she did an acrostic that I wrote on the inside and she just elevated it to let it be seen of understanding of what fear really is and it’s simply this “F E A R” False Evidence Appearing Real.

Sid: And as I heard it mentioned fear is the opposite of faith.

Gary: Yeah.

Sid: And if that’s the definition of fear false evidence appearing real what’s the definition of faith?

Gary: Faith is the substance of things hopped for the evidence of things not seen. So faith is to God what fear is to the devil. Satan has access to produce images of the mind, information as it appears and there’s a multitude of areas that you can call them doorways of access that fear has to an individual and every one of those access doors of fear paralyze and literally hold a person at bay where they can’t do what God gave them the dream for.

Sid: Listen Gary if someone pokes a gun in your ribs and says “Give me your money or I’m going to kill you” it’s only natural to be fearful. And we can identify fear in that instance but you know what I believe and I’d like your spin on this “I believe that many people are paralyzed from accomplishing what God wants them to do in their life because of fear and they haven’t even identified that that’s the reason.

Gary: Yeah that’s absolutely true there’s already a predisposed mindset “I’m going to fail,” a predisposed mindset that “I saw another person do a similar thing they failed.” So the enemies voice speaks so suddenly and quickly that the never even attempt to believe God or take an action on their dream, on their future for what God says to them because the enemy interrupts the thought and says “It’s not going to work for you don’t even try it.”

Sid: Scripture says “Without faith you can’t please God.” In other words without trusting God how do you expect to walk in the invisible realm? So that’s why this whole fear thing is far more important; most people they hear fear “Oh well he’s talking about fear because of 9/11.” Well, yes you are but it’s way beyond that.

Gary: Absolutely this fear that we’re talking about is gripping people where they can’t drive over bridges. It’s gripping people where they’re afraid to even step on a step-stole and go up one step. It’s gripping people that have been through the pain of divorce and they fear the next relationship will again bring them the emotional and mental torment and pain. They fear having children because they’ve known someone who went through a challenging childbirth.

Sid: You know in your book you give a testimony of a woman that was sexually abused and she became a Christian and she married a fine Christian man but because of that fear she was not able to have normal sexual relationships.

Gary: And that lasted for years in her life until she read the book “Make Fear Bow” and identified that every time she was having what would be considered normal sexual relationships with her husband she was reliving that rape. And until she saw that it could be defeated once she got the truth she was free.

Sid: Gary I believe that number 1 that this is a book that God ordained. Number 2 if there is I mean one of the earmarks of the last days is “Men’s hearts will fail because of the fear of the things that are going on in the world.”

Gary: That’s right.

Sid: And so it’s an end-time book, it’s a God book, but even more important than that there is a presence of God on this book. I believe that if someone reads it they’ll actually experience a deliverance of fear.

Gary: Because I teach and I write out the prayer to pray that I’ve prayed that many have prayed and those prayers are so effective that God moves by that simple prayer.

Sid: I’ll tell you something if you could overcome the fear that I read about in your experience in Kenya you can overcome anything. If you can do it anyone else can do it because you do it through the anointing and the word of the Living God. Tell me what happened to you in Kenya.

Gary: I was opening a major crusade in the city right there in Kenya Nairobi the Capital city and we had everything set. The average attendance in the beginning would be about 100,000 people and then it would multiply and grow. And we were in a huge field area where massive platform and fans and the church choirs and all of the things had already been practicing and everything. And before I came out that first night to preach there was a knock on my door there were 2 policeman with full armor there, shields these metal shields with these little tiny slit in it and my person that was coordinating he comes and he says “Gary you cannot do this crusade.” I said “Why?” He said they busted our car up with bats, they broke in the windows, the kicked in the doors and the other people the 2 police they said that there’s only 2 of us authorized by this government to protect you. And you have 1000 people in a cult who are choosing to shoot you tonight and prove there’s no resurrection.

Sid: How many came in with guns that night?

Gary: What do you mean in the field?

Sid: Yeah.

Gary: There was over a 1000 people armed in the field to kill me that’s what…

Sid: So they didn’t want you to go out obviously. Look we’re out of time will pick up right here on tomorrow’s broadcast Mishpochah.