Sid Roth

Sid: My guest by way of telephone is Dave Roberson I’m speaking to him at his head quarters at Tulsa, Oklahoma. On yesterday’s broadcast we found out about the supernatural call that he received on his life for full time ministry. So he quits his job and he says “I’ll just put 8 hours in a day of prayer.” However you know he knew about praying in tongues but he didn’t know much about it and it’s pretty hard to occupy 8 hours praying 5 days a week. And so how did you transition to the point to where you were praying in tongues the whole 8 hours?

Dave: It was hard Sid not knowing what to do with myself after the visions I had that we talked about yesterday. I didn’t know what to do with myself so I thought well I’ll just report down to this 8 x 8 prayer closet down at the church. I just put in the same amount of time that I’d have worked at the mill. So I never will forget those first mornings that I reported in. I took a real holy stand you know I fell on my knees and I’m going to pray in tongues you know. Well at first the tongues that I ended up praying and I didn’t know the importance of it or anything. And the only way that I really knew how to pray was English so I’d pray and then I’d get over into English and it wasn’t 15 minutes that I exhausted every English prayer I could think of I was praying for missionaries, I was praying for counties, I was praying for anything our cupboards anything I could think of to be full and I was afraid. And anyway after running after running out of everything I could think of in English I’d switch over to praying in tongues. After a while you know I remember those guys teaching “You just can’t pray in tongues any time you want to.” That would flag me for awhile and I’m thinking what option I’m going to do? So I begin to pray in tongues and pray in tongues and it seemed like minutes turned into hours and I kept checking my watch and finally I’d remember I’d take and break at 10:00 at the mill and I’d be thinking that it’d be legal to take a 15 minute break at 10:00. So I’d hurry and I’d run off and have a cup of coffee because I had to be back and I’d start in again on my knees praying “Oh God remember the missionaries and it’d last 15 minutes again so just to survive the time I’d begin to pray in tongues again. Sid I had no idea what that was doing for me. I had no idea it was beginning to sequence it, it changed my life and 30 years later now.

Sid: Well, you just described yesterday what happened in Brazil would have never happened.

Dave: No.

Sid: If it wasn’t for that foundation that you put within yourself. Most people that accept praying in tongues is for today they don’t have a clue what they’re accomplishing. Tell me in your book you have so many insights in this arena that very few Christians. I think that any Christian that reads your book would be forced to pray in tongues at least an hour a day. Like I explained on yesterday’s broadcast about this young man whose whole destiny was changed just as yours was by praying in tongues. How does this affect our destiny?

Dave: Sid when you was talking about the young man how this young man thought that he was called to be a businessman and wanted to come in and pray and pray and he’d got a hold of our tapes and he got a hold of our tapes and found out what I did and made his mind up to do the same thing. Well as I continued to pray in tongues the first thing I found out about it was that it encompassed it it said “He that speaks in this unknown tongues speaks mysteries.” The mysteries you’re speaking in prayer not unto man l Corinthians 14 but unto God. It says “How be it in the Spirit this man is speaking mysteries?” Well the mysteries we’re speaking everything that the mystery that Christ is in you, into you, and through you the hope of glory. And praying in tongues is like any other kind of prayer Sid it’s designed by God to be answered. When I pray the mountain moving prayer of faith and it manifests in the mountain goes my senses can report to me that the prayer of faith has been answered. Or the prayer of consecration I’ll go anywhere and be anything you want me to be I’ll open my eyes and God will answer a prayer like that so fast you’re likely to find yourself in Africa or something. But praying in tongues is like any other form of prayer it’s designed by God to be answered. Yet these mysteries that you’re praying the mystery of everything Christ is in you and to you and through you the hope of glory was designed by God to be answered. And the young man found out that he’s called to be an evangelist, and not only an evangelist a powerful miracle manifestation of glory in God’s presence in his meetings kind of evangelist. In Romans 8:26-27 and 28 it says “He that searches the heart,” the Holy Spirit, He knows what the whole plan and mind of God is for you and I and that He makes intercession for that plan according to the will of God. You cannot pray even one hour in tongues that the powerful that the mighty Holy Spirit who holds the whole plan of God for your personal life will not run out ahead of you. And this mystery and this prayer that you’re praying in tongues the Holy Spirit knows the whole plan of God for your life and he supernaturally will begin to lay it out ahead of you. For if you will not stop praying even that one hour a day it if need be it will produce the other hours that you’ll need to pray. If you will not stop praying then His plan will be worked and just like the gentleman that you told me about if he found his way into God’s perfect plan for his life. You and I wouldn’t have chosen him for that he didn’t seem to qualify. I wouldn’t…

Sid: I’ll tell you Kathryn Kuhlman type of thing (The least likely). Laughing

Dave: I know the feeling I wouldn’t have called myself or chose myself. You know but this man supernaturally because it’s the Holy Spirit who knows the Father’s whole plan for his life is to the one that is choosing the words; the one that’s creating the prayer on the inside of your spirit. He’s the one that is laying a prayer out ahead of you that has no error in it. And if there’s one prayer that God is ever free to answer it will be that one Sid and that’s what happened to your young friend.

Sid: And not only that I have to believe that you know “Without faith you can’t please God.” And in most prayers you need a certain degree of faith to believe that God is going to answer it but when you’re praying in unknown tongues I don’t think that you need any faith at all.

Dave: The only faith you need is the one that was enough for you to go into the closet and utter it (Chuckling). That’s all the faith you need I call it mustard seed just enough.

Sid: Now you had been praying in tongues for a while and you went to a church meeting and you had a vision like an x-ray of someone’s hip was that the first time something like this had happened to you?

Dave: It was.

Sid: Well tell me about that.

Dave: A woman caught on to what I was doing and she knocked on the door and said “Are you feeling any difference?” And I told her “Oh yeah the only thing I’m really feeling is a dry chin and a dry throat.” And she said “Well, I’ve got to go.” Well, she belonged to a church that really didn’t believe in speaking with tongues and things. So she came back a month or so later and she said “Could you go with me to a lay witness?” And I said “What’s that?” She said “Our church’s meeting of statewide at our building and we’re having a lay witness where we teach and testify and we’re having it at a home this morning will you come?” And I’m thinking “Oh yeah” I love any legal reason excuse I wasn’t feeling anything or edification or nothing I didn’t know how it worked.” So I said “Oh yeah” I ran home and changed and knocked on the door. And I didn’t I was a little late because I had to go change and so I didn’t know the woman who was setting next to me or whom they set me next to that had come in on a crutch. And so Sid you know I was just… I was so happy to be with people you know I’d been locked away for about 3 months.

Sid: I know the feeling.

Dave: (Laughing) I was just so happy going “There’s real people around me I get to hear a real teacher.” So they brought me I believe a cup of tea or something. And I was setting there and so he began and since then I’ve affectionately named him the golden tongue orator you know because he began speaking. He says “And we know that God is the great celestial between the trouble waters of mankind.” And I’m going “Oh, what did I get myself into?” I’m shaking, my tea watching the tea grounds just for excitement you know this was horrible. Out of sheer boredom I turned around and looked at the elderly lady next to me and suddenly it looked like an x-ray was put up between me and her it was so vivid Sid that I looked around even to see if anybody else could see it I didn’t know what was going on. And so finally finally I leaned over to her and I said “Mam do you have trouble in your right hip?” She says “Well young man that’s what the doctor tells me” Because it was an x-ray of a deteriorated hip socket where the deterioration reached at least 4 inches down into the leg bone. She says “That’s what the doctor tells me.” And I yelled “Glory to God!” she says “I beg your pardon young man.” I says “Oh, I don’t mean that you’re sick I meant that God wants to heal you!” And she says “He does?” And I says “Yes can I pray for you?” And to her prayer meant “In the course of your day would you bow your head and remember me” but to me it meant the Pentecostal hardest prayer I could muster. And when she said yes I jumped around in front of her got on my knees grabbed her by the ankles and pulled both of her legs up even with my stomach while she was on the chair and I was on my knees. And Sid one of them was 3 or 4 inches shorter than the other I didn’t you know I didn’t do these things. I closed my eyes and prayed my hardest prayer. And I didn’t know it the first prayer her leg cracked and came out. I like to wrestle the poor lady off on the floor.

Sid: Listen after she was healed the silver tongued orator said “Lady, we don’t believe in miracles here.” And what did she say?

Dave: She grabbed her crutch and say “Well Sonny he healed me anyway.” And she was out…

Sid: Dave we’re out of time.

Sid: How is that everyone everywhere going to hear the good news?  I believe that if we follow the directions by the Manufacturer we will not go wrong. And I’m talking about God and I’m talking about the Bible. This is how I see it God is so clear that He always starts with the Jew to bless the world.  For instance, He started with the Jew when He went to Abram first so that there would be a blessing for the whole world.  Do you remember when Paul said in Roman’s 1:16 “I’m not ashamed of the gospel because the gospel is the power of God unto salvation to everyone who believes to the Jew first.” So we know God started with the Jew, we know Paul started with the Jew.  How about the Holy Spirit at Pentecost, who was speaking in unknown tongues at Shavuot, that’s the Hebrew for Pentecost? It was to the Jew first. So we have God going to the Jew first, we have Abraham going to the Jew first, we have the Holy Spirit going to the Jew first. How about Jesus?  Jesus said “I go only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.” All of these were God’s strategizing and showing us His supernatural method of evangelizing by going to the Jew first it reaches the world.

I believe that we are right on I mean it’s so close I could almost taste it a major outpouring of God’s Spirit. God’s going to have mercy on planet earth because unfortunately I see a lot of problems.  The Bible says “Yet once more, I God, am going to shake this earth and those that are not on a firm foundation are going to fall.” And let’s face it the shaking has already begun on planet earth and it’s going to get increasingly worse. And only those on a firm foundation are going to stand and God wants to have mercy again on planet earth and He’s going to use the same strategy that He’s always used. What city did he start in?  What country did He start in?  What people group did He start with? Jerusalem, Israel, the Jewish people. I believe the next move of God’s Spirit is going to happen in Israel, in Jerusalem with the Jewish people. It will not be something through great apologetics and proof as to why Jesus is the Messiah. Oh no, no, no it will not be by man’s might nor by man’s power but it will be a move of God’s Spirit. And every certain number of years you can look out throughout history there were certain moves of God’s Spirit on Jewish people. And when God moves on Jewish people it opens up a supernatural door to reach all people.  And I tell you that move is about ready to happen if it hasn’t happened already.

Joy and I went to see a movie last week it’s called “The Kingst.”  And it’s about a Polish Jew and I guess I really relate to it because I am a Polish Jew. And my father was born in Poland and it’s got to do with the Holocaust and the Warsaw Ghetto and I have to tell you this movie made a greater impact on me than “Schindler’s List.” It showed and I recommend everyone go see this if possible or get the video when it’s out because it showed what I believe is a preview of the world turning anti-Semitic, anti-Jewish.  How could it happen?  Easy, I see a lot of presidential candidates and one previous that was a presidential candidate saying “The whole purpose of the Iraqi war was the Jews and Israel and they’re our problem.”

You see as the terrorism increases more and more people will pick up that line and when you see or read about what happened in the holocaust. I mean it’s unbelievable that humans can treat other humans as if they’re not even humans, as if they’re just vegetables and just kill them at random.  We see the devil recognizes the seed that God has always used and will continue to use will continue to be the Jew, and therefore if he can cause Jewish people to be murdered than there’s most likelihood of revival and more that will go to hell rather than go to heaven.  That’s so simple you need help to get confused.

Now I believe that I’ve now been a Jewish believer in the Messiah for over 30 years now and I believe that I am a classic Jew and that’s why God saved me, and that’s why God wants me to share my story with you because if you can understand me you can understand my people. Yes it is only going to be a move of God’s Spirit but you can get in the way. And as a matter of fact most people don’t know that Jewish people are open to the gospel right now because most Christians aren’t sharing with anyone and most Christians are so intimidated of Jewish people and most Christians don’t understand we’re praying and saying “God let’s have a release of your miracle anointing.” And I look on television and I see great evangelist saying “I know that we’re right on the peripheral of a great move of God’s Spirit, a great move of miracles where the average Christian is going to be able to pray and miracles will happen.”

Well God’s strategy to reach the world is to go to the Jew first and God’s method to reach the Jew has always been in the Bible it says “The Jew requires a sign.” So the reason that God is going to releasing these miracles is so the Jews will be saved to release a supernatural outpouring of God’s Spirit on Gentiles so that the greatest revival on planet earth is about ready to take place.  And the devil can’t stop it but he recognizes every Jew he can destroy now is one more going to hell and one less person that will be sold out red hot, modern day Paul the apostle, and one less person to release that great anointing for what the book of Ephesians calls the glorious church.

So this week I’m going to talk about how I came to the Lord. I was raised as I told you in a traditional Jewish family, my father was born in Poland, my mother was born in Rochester, New York.  And my father likes to share the story of my grandfather who my recollection of my grandfather is very very stern, very very religious Jew. And when my father would walk with my grandfather in Poland and walk by a church my Grandfather would spit. And so my father intuitively knew by being raised this way that there was something wrong with the church or with Christianity. He probably didn’t have a clue what was wrong, but unfortunately I studied what’s wrong and I’ll tell you if you study church history, if you study the “Quote fathers of the faith.” You will see a mixture of so much anti-Jewish, anti-Semitism, listen the Encyclopedia Judaic says “Short of the gas chambers, short of the ovens everything Hitler had to say about Jews came from church fathers.” So that’s why I could tell you about a few of my cousins I tried to witness to. One cousin in particular comes into mind and I would say to him “Listen those people that did those horrible things to our people were the opposite of Christians.” Jesus said “You’ll know my disciples by their love not by murdering Jewish people.” So there’s action spoke louder than their words they might have said they were Christians, but a Christian is a follower of the teaching of Jesus and Jesus was a Jew, Jesus is a Jew, Jesus loved the Jewish people. Jesus went to the Jew first.”  And he said “Stop it Sid! I’m going to tell you one thing and I’m going to make it real clear on the belt buckle on the Gestapo of the Nazis it said ‘In God we trust!’ So don’t tell me they weren’t Christians!” Then I tried to tell another cousin of mine about the love of Jesus; she’ll tell you the story about her two twins little babies a little baby boy and little baby girl.  And the Nazis came into their second story apartment grabbed the little boy out of the mother’s arms and throws the baby out the window.  Now you try and tell that particular cousin of mine about the love of Jesus.

The one behind all of this is the devil himself because the only people group that are equipped that are called to share the gospel with Jewish people are Christians. Roman’s 11:11 says “Salvation has come to the Gentile to provoke the Jew to jealousy.” So some people say “Oh God what is my calling?” And God says “Why are you asking me what your calling is when you won’t do what I put in writing?” Roman’s 11:11 “Salvation has come to the Gentile to provoke the Jew to jealousy.” But that’s not the end that’s the catalyst because when the Jew is provoked to jealousy becomes a believer in Jesus it opens up a supernatural door of evangelism to all people. That’s the whole purpose of our ministry you know I can tell you the whole purpose of the Messianic Vision in one word souls.  What are you going to take to heaven with you your money, your houses, your families, your cars?  Nothing except one thing goes to heaven with you so you might as well make your life count you have one life make it count. It says in Proverbs “He who wins souls is wise.” Are you going to be wise? The strategy move in the supernatural (The Jew requires a sign) reach out to the Jew first, reach the Jew and open up a supernatural door of evangelism to all people.  Again so simple you need help to be confused.

But as I explained the devil has taken the one people group called by God the, Gentile Christians, to reach Jews and made us Jewish people who are seeing Gentile Christians as our enemy. So how in the world are Jewish people going to be reached? How in the world is revival going to happen? How is God going to do this?  Now my favorite scripture “It’s not by man’s might, nor by man’s power but it is by My Spirit sayeth the Lord.”  I want you to understand my people, I believe it’s not an accident you’re listening to this broadcast right now.

Sid:  This week I have been sharing my testimony. Why? Because we are on the edge of the greatest move of God’s Spirit in history that will start with the Jewish people, then spread to all people just as the first church started with the Jew and then spread to all people.  The greatest move of God’s Spirit for evangelism in the history of this earth; the greatest move of signs and wonders. Why? Again to reach the Jew, the Bible says “The Jew requires a sign.”

So boy was I messed up. As a matter of fact, I had people who read my testimony book and they say “Sid were you really this bad?” Some people don’t even like me after they read it. I felt I had a prophetic dream and God told me I must write my testimony book exactly the way it happened because I don’t have a problem with it because that person doesn’t live anymore; I’m a new creation, a new species, and if you didn’t know how bad I was then you couldn’t tell the difference. That’s why God had me write this, but more important He had me write this book so that you will understand the average American Jewish person you’re shortly going to bump into that is desperate to know Jesus. I tell you I proclaim that that average American Jewish person is desperate to know Jesus, but you don’t know this because you’re not opening your mouth and allowing God to fill it.

Well God is going to do a move of His Spirit on Jewish people but there are going to be asking questions and you must have good answers. This book has questions and answers but just by reading the story then give it to a Jewish person that God Himself is going to have cross your path.

On yesterday’s broadcast you found out that I was involved in the New Age and I was coming apart at the seams. Remember when I told you as a young kid I had this experience about death and it was so objectionable I blocked it from my mind? Well life was more difficult than that objectionable thing called death. I mean I reached my point, I go involved in this astral projection where your spirit leaves its body and you think this was… I was just going slightly nuts. Well, I was going just slightly nuts but it’s real. Duke University has a school of parapsychology, many colleges do. The Russians have been doing this for years.

I can tell you my spirit would leave my body and when this would happen this is the thought that I had. One I’ll go to sleep my spirit will leave my body and won’t make it back in time. If you’ve ever seen these Rod Serling science-fiction stories I have a plot that is so horrible you could put it together. Just in case there are young people listening I’m not going to explain it, but I had so much fear I was afraid to live, I was afraid to die.

My wife by the way was raised in a Christian home, they weren’t practicing at all they didn’t go to church. Their father was actually an atheist, her mother was a Christian. They shipped her off to church, they did not go themselves, but they shipped her off. This one day she walked down the aisle and became a believer in Jesus. When she got college she wasn’t prepared for her atheistic professors. She said “I wouldn’t become an atheist just in case there’s a God but I became an agnostic.”

When we got married I insisted that she convert to Judaism, she didn’t want to but I insisted. So she converted to Judaism. So you might say she was a Southern Baptist, agnostic, Orthodox Jew, she really was.

So worse day in my life I didn’t care whether I lived or died. I went out to a Jewish bookstore I bought a mezuzah, you see mezuzahs sometimes on Jewish doorposts they have scripture inside of them. I put it around my neck, I had a Bible at that time and I put it under my pillow. I was convinced I was involved with the devil himself, that I had opened myself up to the New Age. There was no where I could go for help, I couldn’t go to my parents who would give their life for me. They’d send me to psychiatrists one of the highest instances of suicide is among psychiatrists in this country. So they’re really going to help me? No! My problem was spiritual, it wasn’t mental or emotional, I had a demon inside of me and I need it out.

So by that point someone had given me a little booklet called the 4 Spiritual Laws, and I read these and I confessed my sins and I made Jesus my Lord, and nothing happened. So I didn’t even tell the guy that gave me the book, but I figured it didn’t work because in the New Age I had all sorts of feelings and experiences. But I had said that prayer then that night, the worst night of my life, I’m afraid my spirit’s going to leave my body and I’m going to be buried alive, awful thoughts going through my mind. So I said a 2 word prayer, but before I prayed that prayer I called my wife Joy. Remember I had been separated for a year, and I said “Joy it’s bad please pray for me.” She said “I will.”  I hung up, she hung up, I said a 2 word prayer “Jesus help.” That was it I went to sleep, I didn’t have a dream, had that in the New Age. I didn’t have a vision, had that in the New Age, and God has all of these things authentically in Christianity. He gave me something I never had in the New Age that fear that was encrusting me that was so tangible I could cut it with a knife. The phone would ring I could remember today even when it would ring I would just shake I was so nervous when the phone would ring.

I didn’t want to live, I didn’t want to die I was in awful shape, I just wanted out! I didn’t want Jesus but I was told that His power was greater than the power that I was involved in, and I was willing to try anything. Even coming from a Jewish Orthodox background and I said “Jesus help.”

I went to sleep that night not caring whether I lived or died and when I woke up in the morning, I tell you the evil within me was gone. As I was encrusted in fear, I was encased in liquid love. I had never felt such a feeling of peace in my entire life, and don’t ask me how I knew this but I knew that Jesus was responsible and I was very grateful. Then I heard the voice of God for the first time in my life that I knew it was God. He said “Return to your wife and daughter.” I returned and Joy and I celebrated our 39^th wedding anniversary. My daughter is married to a believer, she’s a believer. My father, my mother, my Jewish sister, my Jewish brother in law all believers. God is so good!

I’ll tell you something, I started reading the Bible for myself and I found such evidence, even that 18^th chapter of Deuteronomy that I read. It says in that same chapter, remember where it talks about the New Age is an abomination? It says in that same 18^th chapter the 18^th verse “The Lord said to me “What they have spoken is good.” Then God said “I will raise up for them a prophet like you,” He’s speaking to Moses. So there’ll be a prophet like Moses from among their brethren, which will be Jewish, “and I’m going to My words in His mouth, and He shall speak to them all that I command Him. And it shall be that whoever will not hear My words, which He speaks in My name I will require it of him.” So this will be a greater prophet than Moses, that will be a Jew that will be God’s spokesman, but Moses was God’s spokesman. It will be almost like God’s word will be inside of Him. That’s what John was explaining. He said “The Word was with God, the Word was God, and the Word became flesh.” Then I read in Jeremiah 31:31 “Behold the day has come when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and the house of Judah, not according to the covenant that I made with their forefathers which they violated, but under this covenant I will remember their sins no more. They shall know me and have intimacy with Me.”

Then I read the 53^rd chapter of Isaiah, I mean that was written 800 years before Jesus even came to earth. I read that same chapter to my Orthodox Jewish father who the last thing in the world would want to believe that Jesus was the Messiah. He said “You’re reading from a Christian Bible because you’re describing Jesus.” Then I read about His birth and His family and the Gentiles would follow Him, all in the Jewish scriptures. It is so clear you need help to get confused.

There are scales on the eyes of the Jewish people. I can just tell you my story and this was over 30 years ago. God restored my mind, He restored my health, He restored my marriage, He gave me what I was always looking for, He gave me intimacy with God. I know that there is a deeper intimacy, I know that there is a great Jewish wedding coming. I know that God is preparing His bride right now for that wedding, and I know that one of the catalysts for that wedding is intimacy with God. Another catalyst of that wedding is walking in signs and wonders, and the major catalyst for that wedding is for Gentile Christians to do what is written and not say “I want a flaky prophecy from a flaky prophet.” You’re not following the written words of the living God who says in Romans 11:11 “Salvation has come to the Gentile to provoke the Jew to jealousy.”

Your purpose is to reach Jewish people with the gospel, and somehow in reaching that Jewish person with the gospel it says “If it was a blessing the Jewish people rejected their Messiah, how much greater blessing when they receive their Messiah?” It’s going to cause life from the dead and the church will not become the institutional religious church that it has become today filled with as much tradition as we Jewish people have. It is going to be what the book of Ephesians calls “The glorious church” because it’s going to be so filled with the glory of God. When Jew and Gentile come together and that middle wall of separation comes down the Jew needs the Gentile Christian, the Gentile Christian needs the Jew. We are incomplete without each other, and in Him we become a new creation, that new creation has a name and His name is Jesus.  So simple you need help to get confused.

SID: Sid Roth here with Robbie Dawkins. And so Robbie, it blurts out of you before, you get, you had a mind bypass.

ROBBY: Yes.

SID: You say, “Your father is going to be healed and also his lungs are going to be healed.” And she hadn’t even mentioned lungs. After that came out of your mouth, what happened?

ROBBY: Well have you ever heard yourself say something, and as you’re hearing yourself saying it, you’re like, what did I just say? And I mean, I wanted with all my might, all my power to reach out and grab those words before it hit her ear and pull it back, and swallow it, destroying any evidence that I had uttered anything so stupid in my entire life. And so the first thing I said, “Now wait a minute.” I said, “You need to know something,” I said, “I’m no healer.” I said, “As a matter of fact, it’s probably a bad thing that I prayed for your dad because nobody I ever pray for gets healed.” And I said, “I don’t know what I’m talking about, you should not listen to a thing I say, because I absolutely, I have never prayed for anybody I have seen get healed.” And she says, “But you said God was going to give my dad a new heart.” I said, “Yes, but,” and she said, “Thank you,” and click, she hung up the phone. When I heard that phone click my heart dropped to my toes and I thought, oh dear God, this is some sort of, you know, exposé show on pastors who promise healing that actually kill people, and I just fell into the trap. I need to get my resume together. I’m going to get sued.

SID: Okay. A few days later, she calls you back. What happens?

ROBBY: It wasn’t even a few days. It was two hours later.

SID: Two hours?

ROBBY: She calls back and…

SID: [unintelligible] two hours now.

ROBBY: She was going into surgery right at that time.

SID: Oh I see.

ROBBY: So she calls back two hours later and all I hear on the other end is, [unintelligible], and she couldn’t talk, and I didn’t understand. And so I hung up on her. And then she calls back and she’s like, “Please don’t hang up this time.” And I said, and I recognized it was her, and I thought, oh dear God, I killed her dad. You know, I prayed for him, he’s dead. He probably would have at least survived a little bit. I’m serious, I was in panic. And I started immediately apologizing. I said, “I’m so sorry.” She said, “Sorry for what?” And I said, “Your dad died, right?” And she goes, “No, my dad didn’t die.” She goes, “That what I’m calling to tell you.” Now no one was more surprised to hear that than me. And she goes, “No.” She goes, “This is the thing.” She goes, “I just talked to the doctor.” And she goes, “When the doctor opened up my dad’s chest,” she said, “they couldn’t even find any scar tissue from the previous surgery except the scar on the outside of his chest on the skin.” She said, “Here’s the thing, he had a pig valve replacement of his valve and his heart, and the doctor said it was completely gone.” She said, “When they opened him up,” she said, “he had the heart—”

SID: The replacement was gone?

ROBBY: The replacement was gone.

SID: Wow.

ROBBY: He had a heart of a 30-year-old man, the doctor said.

SID: But then wait until you hear this next thing.

ROBBY: “My dad had a half lung removed because of lung cancer.” And she goes, “When they opened him up and checked, the doctor looked and said, ‘I believe this man has a whole lung.’ And they checked, and he did. He had a whole lung where he had half a lung removed.”

SID: So when this began, something began in Robbie and he has not been the same since. But the thing that intrigues me the most, Robbie, is I’ve seen pictures of this. You go out on the street, you talk to total non-believers and they say they feel something. They feel the presence of God. How did this start and can others do this?

ROBBY: Absolutely. I mean, anybody can do it. My, what I really believe is Jesus came to show us not what he could do as the Son of God, he was drawing a map of what we could do. He was coming as the second Adam to reinstate what the first Adam gave away. And so going out and just following what Jesus said. When Jesus said, “These things you will do and greater,” it’s an invitation to come and do the things Jesus did.

SID: That’s what happened in the first thing that happened with you after they got healed, they were all non-believers. What happened?

ROBBY: That next Sunday, she ended up coming to the church. I argued with her on the phone. I said, “I won’t believe it until I see a doctor’s report.” She goes, “Are you sure you’re a pastor?” And I said, “Yes, and I’m not a naïve pastor.” And she did. That next Sunday she brought a scroll of faxes, she brought a scrolled fax of the doctor’s report and it said everything I just shared with you. And I looked at it, I read it and I was blown away. And she brought her mother, her father who had been healed, her husband. They all ended up giving their lives to Christ as a result of that, every one of them.

SID: So let’s go back because I am so intrigued with the, it’s one thing for a believer to say, I feel the presence of God. It’s another thing for a non-believer to say, I feel. Tell me about this.

ROBBY: Well you know, what happens is that when God, God is in relentless pursuit of us. He’s pursing us. He’s passionate about us. We’re not begging him to come. He’s right here. He wants to come. And so when we pray for people they can feel it and we have the authority. Jesus said, “All authority has been given to me and I am in you.” And so all that authority that he has lives in you, and his power of source was the Holy Spirit, and the Holy Spirit lives in you. We have all the ingredients living inside of us that was in him that did all the miracles. It’s right here. And so when we release we have the authority to release the manifest presence of God. Just like Jesus said, you know, “Peace I give to you.” Not just any peace, my peace. If somebody gives you something you can give it away. And so when we encounter and receive the presence of God we can give that away. We can release that. And so many times I would just pray for people, and I love especially people who just don’t believe at all, people who are atheists or don’t believe at all, to release to them the manifest presence of God so that they will feel the reality, the tangible presence of Jesus and realize that he’s real and that he’s in passionate pursuit of them. And they see it happen all the time.

SID: You know, it’s beyond that. And by the way, when he said see it happen all the time, he means that because the people where the presence of God is, all things are possible, all things. People are getting healed, coming to know Messiah. But he told me something when I was having a meal with him about he’s on a plane and there is a Jewish woman next to him, and if you thought it was a little funny, his first story, you will, you’re going to fall out of your seat even at home on this next story with this Jewish woman. We’ll be right back.

Sid: Oh I hope you heard the testimony yesterday of Gary Whetstone I mean Gary was an all American type kid everything going right in his life, a good athlete, a good student a freak auto accident he accident he can’t participate in sports anymore. He gets in with motorcycle gangs and drugs and gun dealing and gradually full of fear and hatred. And to make a long story short he literally went insane and his parents had to put him into a mental institution it was a mental institution for the criminally insane there was no hope so they wanted to do a procedure that is similar to a lobotomy. He’d end up having his mind reduced to a 3 year old permanently there was nothing else they could do. They’re ready to do the procedure a couple days before a stranger walks in and leads him to the Lord he has a supernatural encounter with Jesus. He tries to explain he’s normal his mind is normal they don’t believe him, a voice says run he runs out of that hospital and supernaturally he gets out of there there’s no way that you can get out of a high security mental hospital like that the way he did but 6 weeks later he decides to go back to the hospital. Gary that took what we Jewish people call Chutzpah nerve how could you go back to that place?

Gary: You know Sid I had the greatest uncanny peace inside of me that somehow I was never going to live as a fugitive on the run but God someway…I didn’t even know who He was but I had something inside of me that just said “Will you go back submit yourself to that mental hospital. And I remember knocking on the door of the mental hospital and they looked at me and they say “You have an APB for all cities states to find you, your marked, armed, dangerous, what are you doing here?” And I said to them if you will please I want you to understand and they called the guards and they got a hold of me and I said “Give me no drugs, do not put me in any isolation ward, put me in a mixed community where there’s men and women and I’ll show you that I am truly sane.”

Sid: So weren’t you afraid that they wouldn’t believe you just as they did 6 weeks earlier?

Gary: Well I tell you Sid I had all I had to believe in was that little tiny voice inside and the fear of knowing that these people don’t know God. They don’t believe in God they don’t have any reference to God I mean the fear of totally insane to convincing people you’re sane. I’ll tell you I just remember the gripping like cold fingers like and ice drip down the back of my neck while I’m standing there looking at this man and saying to him I want to come back into the mental hospital and prove I’m sane after being in there 6 weeks. And I mean to tell you I just was….I had no idea how God did it but He did it He produced the proof and they released me from the mental hospital with a clean bill of mental health.

Sid: And then so many wonderful things happened after that God restored your marriage he put you into ministry, he made you and put into business. You had multimillion dollar corporation and if there is ever been a man that has empathy for people with fear with the things that you went through in your life. Tell me as best you understand why you wrote the book “Make Fear Bow.” As I understand it this was not your idea this was God’s.

Gary: Yes it was I had a prayer meeting that I was going to be leading in London and before I left to leave the prayer summit in London I had the Spirit of the Lord speak to me for everyone in our church to write down the 4 greatest areas of prayer needs that they had. And I took it was well over a thousand prayer requests with me and I went into my room and I prayed over everyone of the points, over everyone of the people and I found that over 80% of all of the prayers needs circumvent or focus on the element of fear. And it was just like a shock to me realizing that you take 800 adults out of a 1000 and 800 of them are paralyzed by an influenced called fear. It was because of that that I wrote this book “Make Fear Bow” because I studied every cause of fear, every reaction of fear, every way that fear works whether it’s the individual or whether it’s a family, whether it’s a group whether it’s a society, it’s a nation and today we’ve got these people running around called terrorist. The issue is not that they kill people the issue is that they paralyze people with terror and the control that fear has. Out of that time of prayer I wrote this book and just like Marilyn Hickey wrote the forward of this and she did an acrostic that I wrote on the inside and she just elevated it to let it be seen of understanding of what fear really is and it’s simply this “F E A R” False Evidence Appearing Real.

Sid: And as I heard it mentioned fear is the opposite of faith.

Gary: Yeah.

Sid: And if that’s the definition of fear false evidence appearing real what’s the definition of faith?

Gary: Faith is the substance of things hopped for the evidence of things not seen. So faith is to God what fear is to the devil. Satan has access to produce images of the mind, information as it appears and there’s a multitude of areas that you can call them doorways of access that fear has to an individual and every one of those access doors of fear paralyze and literally hold a person at bay where they can’t do what God gave them the dream for.

Sid: Listen Gary if someone pokes a gun in your ribs and says “Give me your money or I’m going to kill you” it’s only natural to be fearful. And we can identify fear in that instance but you know what I believe and I’d like your spin on this “I believe that many people are paralyzed from accomplishing what God wants them to do in their life because of fear and they haven’t even identified that that’s the reason.

Gary: Yeah that’s absolutely true there’s already a predisposed mindset “I’m going to fail,” a predisposed mindset that “I saw another person do a similar thing they failed.” So the enemies voice speaks so suddenly and quickly that the never even attempt to believe God or take an action on their dream, on their future for what God says to them because the enemy interrupts the thought and says “It’s not going to work for you don’t even try it.”

Sid: Scripture says “Without faith you can’t please God.” In other words without trusting God how do you expect to walk in the invisible realm? So that’s why this whole fear thing is far more important; most people they hear fear “Oh well he’s talking about fear because of 9/11.” Well, yes you are but it’s way beyond that.

Gary: Absolutely this fear that we’re talking about is gripping people where they can’t drive over bridges. It’s gripping people where they’re afraid to even step on a step-stole and go up one step. It’s gripping people that have been through the pain of divorce and they fear the next relationship will again bring them the emotional and mental torment and pain. They fear having children because they’ve known someone who went through a challenging childbirth.

Sid: You know in your book you give a testimony of a woman that was sexually abused and she became a Christian and she married a fine Christian man but because of that fear she was not able to have normal sexual relationships.

Gary: And that lasted for years in her life until she read the book “Make Fear Bow” and identified that every time she was having what would be considered normal sexual relationships with her husband she was reliving that rape. And until she saw that it could be defeated once she got the truth she was free.

Sid: Gary I believe that number 1 that this is a book that God ordained. Number 2 if there is I mean one of the earmarks of the last days is “Men’s hearts will fail because of the fear of the things that are going on in the world.”

Gary: That’s right.

Sid: And so it’s an end-time book, it’s a God book, but even more important than that there is a presence of God on this book. I believe that if someone reads it they’ll actually experience a deliverance of fear.

Gary: Because I teach and I write out the prayer to pray that I’ve prayed that many have prayed and those prayers are so effective that God moves by that simple prayer.

Sid: I’ll tell you something if you could overcome the fear that I read about in your experience in Kenya you can overcome anything. If you can do it anyone else can do it because you do it through the anointing and the word of the Living God. Tell me what happened to you in Kenya.

Gary: I was opening a major crusade in the city right there in Kenya Nairobi the Capital city and we had everything set. The average attendance in the beginning would be about 100,000 people and then it would multiply and grow. And we were in a huge field area where massive platform and fans and the church choirs and all of the things had already been practicing and everything. And before I came out that first night to preach there was a knock on my door there were 2 policeman with full armor there, shields these metal shields with these little tiny slit in it and my person that was coordinating he comes and he says “Gary you cannot do this crusade.” I said “Why?” He said they busted our car up with bats, they broke in the windows, the kicked in the doors and the other people the 2 police they said that there’s only 2 of us authorized by this government to protect you. And you have 1000 people in a cult who are choosing to shoot you tonight and prove there’s no resurrection.

Sid: How many came in with guns that night?

Gary: What do you mean in the field?

Sid: Yeah.

Gary: There was over a 1000 people armed in the field to kill me that’s what…

Sid: So they didn’t want you to go out obviously. Look we’re out of time will pick up right here on tomorrow’s broadcast Mishpochah.