Sid Roth

Sid: My guest by way of telephone is Nancy Alcorn, I’m speaking to her at her office in Nashville, Tennessee where she heads up Mercy Ministries. In particular we’re talking about her new book called “Mercy for Eating Disorders” because eating disorders are epidemic, things like binge eating, bulimia, and anorexia. It seems to be getting worse by the day, she’s come up with a wonderful program for young woman that are involved in these problems. In the secular arena they’re not even solving it and they’re charging $100,000 and the parents are sacrificially giving money. And the problem is that she has a big waiting list for her program so she’s written a book for those people… first of all Nancy I have to believe that people that are involved as anorexia, bulimia, binge eating, think that they’re stuck with it the rest of their life.

Nancy: Well that’s true and you know the word of God tells us “That in Christ we’re overcomers and we are more than conquerors.” So to believe anything less than that regardless of what the issue is addictions or whatever or even people with problems with pornography and through the power of Christ we can overcome any issue that we’re facing.

Sid: Now for those that are not that aware would you give just a brief definition of anorexia, bulimia, and binge eating.

Nancy: Well anorexia would be the simplistic definition, anorexia is basically when you starve yourself to where just literally your body is just wasting away.

Sid: And society tells us thin is in and so all these young kids see their favorite movie stars and they want to look just like them.

Nancy: That’s absolutely right and the media and advertising industry, movies and television and all of that plays into it. You know Vogue magazine, the fashion industry it all plays into it, even the cosmetic industry.

Sid: And so what is bulimia?

Nancy: Bulimia is when someone actually binge eats and actually just stuffs themselves and regurgitates the food and is able to go back and consume huge amounts of food again and just force vomiting and that type of thing. That’s what bulimia is, it’s when you force yourself to vomit to purge yourself of food so you can binge again.

Sid: Now let’s talk a little bit about you because you went through this. You were always weight conscience when you were younger. One night you were invited to eat at you pastors home.

Nancy: Yes.

Sid: What happened?

Nancy: Well it was when I was in college and it just so caught me off guard because I was totally committed to Christ and loved the Lord with all of my heart. And I was actually over there to clean their home and they invited me to come early and have dinner. And she fixed my favorite meal which was fried chicken and biscuits and gravy and green beans and all of that. And so I was really enjoying that and after they had a pastors meeting that they had to go to. So I was going to clean their house for them and clean up the dishes and everything. And so I started in on that process and I just felt really nauseated. So I remember trying to lay down for a few minutes and thinking “I’ve got to get over this nausea because I basically had eaten too much, I think.” And so I was trying to get over the nausea and I realized I’ve got to clean this house. And part of what ties in with eating disorders is perfection and I wanted to please, and people pleasing. I wanted to please them, I wanted the house to look perfect, I wanted the dishes to be done and I wanted it all to be done. So I thought “How am I going to get this done if I’m nauseated.” So I went into the bathroom and I thought and you know I was in that state if I were to just throw-up a little bit I’d feel better. And the process of just hanging over the toilet the thought came to my mind that I could just throw-up and then I could just get the house finished. And that’s basically what I did because I wanted…

Sid: No, let me interrupt you a minute, I don’t think the thought came into your mind, I think it was an enemy of yours that whispered that in your ear.

Nancy: Well it was.

Sid: It was a demon.

Nancy: It was definitely a demon, there’s no question. And the thing that I know was demonic about it is the thing that happened next, because that demon suggested you do the thing then you can clean the house. And once I did it then that demon said “You can do this anytime you want to and you can eat as much as you want to and for as long as you want to.” And I received that not recognizing that it was a demonic power speaking to me. I received that thought into myself and I conceived it in my heart at that point and it became a part of my life. That demonic power gained entry at that point though my choice, the suggestion was made through a demonic voice and I acted on that demonic voice. And because of that a stronghold developed and over the next 5 years of my life I struggled with shame and guilt and I hid.

Sid: How often were you purging the food?

Nancy: Because of my love for Christ I would go sometimes… I wasn’t like some people, some people use no only purge but they also use laxatives to purge. Some girls up to 150 laxatives a day where they even had to have surgery, part of their colon removed, it’s unbelievable. I never got into that part of it but because I loved the Lord I would go sometimes as long as 4 or 5 days or a week. It wasn’t an everyday occurrence for me, but there was a times that it was more frequent than others. But because I was trying and calling on the Name of the Lord and people didn’t talk about eating disorders back then and so I didn’t really understand what happened to me and I did not go to anybody for help I just kept going back to God. If I had a place like Mercy or if I had a book like the “Mercy for Eating Disorders” and people were talking about it back then like they are now then I could have gotten help.

Sid: What was the root of your problem because you mentioned “You got to deal with the root?”

Nancy: Well I think in my case the root of the problem was two-fold. I had a very volatile childhood growing up and some untimely deaths, one being my sister and my family through a very tragic set of circumstances. And there was just a lot of problems in my family growing up, and because of the deaths that were occurring I felt like that things were out of control a lot. So this is something that I felt like I could control, so I think that control was definitely an issue. And I also think that perfection was an issue, that I didn’t feel good about myself. I thought that if I had a really perfect figure and body that I would feel better about myself and people would respond to me because I look good.

Sid: Nancy in your book you state you went through 5 years of hell on earth. How were you set free?

Nancy: Well the bottom line is I just realized that I really do have a choice even though it didn’t seem like I did. And that through Christ I could overcome and I finally just made a decision. It was actually one New Year’s Eve that I just said “Lord… (I stayed at home and I prayed). I just said “Lord I will not do this anymore, I commit to you throughout the power that only you can give me I choose not to do this anymore, and I don’t care if I weigh 300 pounds.” And the interesting thing about it is that I just felt the Spirit of God just come to me.” And I believe at that moment that I received deliverance through calling upon the Name that is above every name. And from that point on I started exercising maybe 2 or 3 times a week, not excessively just about 3 times a week I would walk a couple of miles a day. You know that in a year’s time that I dropped from a size 10 to a size 4. And I have been a size 4 for the last 20 years, and what I was trying to accomplish by my own flesh or the last 25 years actually. What I was trying to accomplish by my own flesh I actually received from the Lord when I just chose the path of obedience.  

Sid: So there are 2 keys that I’m hearing, one is a choice. You either want to choose to relay completely on God, or you want to do such things as forcing yourself to vomit and many take their lives. And the other thing that was a key was you found a root cause in yourself and you could renew your mind in that area. You have a whole chapter in your book on these root causes. It’s very very important, I wonder if you could tell us some of them.

Nancy: Well I think that 2 of my root causes were definitely perfectionism and control. And that’s definitely for example when people have been abused in their childhood. That’s something they definitely can’t control and so this is something they can control. And it’s like “I’m going to control what goes in my body, what goes out. And I’m not going to let anyone hurt me again, that kind of stuff.” A distorted body image and then denial, I’ve actually stood with a girl that looked at herself in a mirror with very little clothing on and she was nothing more than a skeleton with skin on. She was 5’9 and weighed like about 60 pounds. And I said “Tell me what you see when you look in the mirror?” And she said “I see fat.” And it just shocked me and I said “Can I tell you what I the rest of us see when we look at you?” And it shocked her to hear that.

Sid: It shocks me to hear this story.

Nancy: Well it’s like a demonic distortion. It’s like Satan distorts what that young girl sees when she looks at herself. And that’s one of the root causes is a distorted body image and then a denial. And then also parents that may use food as a reward or punishment that a young person can grow up and tie that in with performance and perfectionism…

Sid: Now you’re hitting now, you’re getting a little too close to home right now Nancy. Because if you’re Jewish you know eat, I love you. That’s the definition of love. (Laughing)

Nancy: (Laughing) I think us Christians have that down too with all of our potlucks and everything. You know I really do and you know Jesus set an example he had the last supper with His disciples. And I do think that the key is that the Lord wants us to enjoy all things but He wants us to have food without food having us. And anything that brings us into bondage it’s not good, and so Satan he would have never gotten me after I committed my life to Christ I would have never chosen to get addicted to alcohol or drugs or anything like that. So he had to be sneakier with me and so this is the way that the enemy snuck up on me and got me in bondage to something that was the greatest bondage that I’ve ever experienced.

Sid: Nancy we’re out of time.

Sid: My guest is Katherine Ruonala. Katherine and her husband pastor a church in Brisbane, Australia. And Katherine I don’t believe it’s an accident Katherine that that’s your first name because as I read about you I think about another Katherine that I personally got to know, Katherine Kuhlman. Some mutual friends of ours have been saying that you’re really walking in that anointing. In fact you told me that you walk by people and they get healed, tell me one.

Katherine: Well that’s just last month I got a report when I was back in an area I had been in last year and a lady was so excited to tell me that she’s been in a meeting that as I walked past she felt a wind of the Spirit go through her and she was instantly healed. And you know I believe that we are meant to be carries of the Holy Spirit but Katherine Kuhlman is someone who’s been so important to me. To see the relationship she had with the Holy Spirit; I remember one night I was coming home from a meeting where God had done an amazing miracle, in fact many amazing miracles. And I felt a little bit intimidated thinking that I had another meeting tomorrow night and all of these people are going to bring all of their sick friends because they’d watched with their own eyes extraordinary things.

Sid: Tell me one miracle at that time that had occurred.

Katherine: Well that night one lady had had her eardrum cut out because of cancer had her hearing restored and cataracts had clouded a man’s eyes had instantly dissolved. And people were just so excited and I remember climbing the stairs to my room that night I was staying at the pastor’s home and thinking to myself “Oh, Lord I know I didn’t do that I hope you show up tomorrow night and do it again.” And as I was coming up the stairs I left my computer playing on shuffle and I heard one of Katherine Kuhlman’s heart to heart radio talks. And she was saying as I was thinking these things I heard her say “Every time I walk out on to the platform I die a thousand deaths.”

Sid: And I remember hearing her say that by the way, but go ahead.

Katherine: Knowing that people are coming and this is their last hope. And I thought to myself “Oh, I understand that pressure.” But it was so lovely to hear her continue she said “But I encourage myself that everything Jesus did on the earth He did as a man actually dependent on the Holy Spirit.” And then as I walked I to my room she said “The Holy Spirit never let her down.” And I heard her say “And the Holy Spirit will never let you down.” And I felt like I’d been kissed by God.

Sid: Hmm.

Katherine: The next night more deaf ears opened, more miracles happened; it was just such an encouragement from the Holy Spirit that we can actually depend on Him because He is utterly dependable. You can only fully know that as you get to know Him personally.

Sid: Now I talked to you a few days ago and you talked to me about a subject that I want you to discuss and that is humility and totally helpless without God.

Katherine: Oh yes you know I really believe this is the word of the Lord at the moment that God is really wanting to open up our eyes to see the depth of our need. Because I believe that it’s really when we understand our need for God that we will cry out and we’ll receive what He wants to give. I believe it’s to the level of your need that you’ll go to God to get what He wants to give. You know in the Book of Revelation it talks about a church that thinks of themselves as rich and having need of nothing. And we’re counseled to cry out to God to buy eyesalve and I think praying that even myself recently “Lord give me eyesalve to see the depth of my need.” I remember once being on an altar call and in the early days and just crying out to God saying “Lord, I feel like I have a big jagged cut in my life and nobody is able to fill my need for love.” And I was looking at the cut I saw a piece of heaven coming out shaped right down in exactly the same shape as the cut in my life. You know I believe God wants to fill us with the level of our deepest need; but unless we’re aware of our need for Him we are not going to go to Him and get what He wants to give us. He says He’s laid a banqueting table before us in the presence of our enemies but unless we actually recognize our need; unless we go to Him to let Him show us we are desperately needy, that we’re actually not rich and full and having need to nothing. We are desperately full of need then we miss out on the truth filling; we spend our money on what’s not actually bread like the scriptures says and yet God’s wanting us to exchange our weakness. Use that as currency, exchange our weakness so that we can receive His supernatural strength.

Sid: Well you know Katherine a lot of people look at the ministry that God’s entrusted to me and they think “Boy, he’s a sharp businessman; he’s brilliant; he’s got so much gifting. But guess what I know what you’ve been talking about; I am 100% dependent on God not just for a miracle to happen, that’s minor; for everything to happen. And the older I get the smarter I get, and when I say the smarter I get the reason I get so much is I realize I need God more. When I was younger I didn’t realize it I was stupid; now that I’m older I realize how much I need God in every relationship and everything that goes on in my life. And that’s what I see going on with you right now Katherine.

Katherine: He’s our ever present help in my time of need and my time of need is all the time. And I really believe that is one of the best revelations that God’s given me because knowing that I need His help and knowing that He’s so willing and so wanting to give me more than I need has been the key I believe really to walking in a joy and a deep satisfaction that produces fruit and supernatural miracles.

Sid: You know I read a book a number of years ago about the presence of God that was Brother Lawrence “Practicing the presence of God.” And to what degree do you do that?

Katherine: I need to spend time alone with God more than I need anything. So I love to walk and talk with God. I do all my verbal processing with Him; I tell Him how I’m feeling and I look to Him for help. You know He is my ever present help and He’s my teacher and my counselor and when I expose my need to Him; when I talk to Him about my fears; when I talk to Him about my weaknesses, He’s always got the answer for me. And He always manifests Himself to me with what I need. The Bible tells us that He makes us lie down in green pastures and He restores our soul. And every day I believe that God wants to bring us daily bread, He wants to help us. And unless we actually take advantage of this beautiful fellowship we miss out on the rich fair that God wants to feed us with day by day. To walk with Him is my greatest joy and it’s the thing I need about above anything else.

Sid: Now when you pray for someone and they’ve got… let’s take the person that had no ear and no eardrum. You certainly… you don’t have to be a PhD to know that you’re in trouble if God doesn’t show up. So you put your hand on them and you pray but what’s going on inside of Katherine Ruonala?

Katherine: Oh, at that moment I was thinking that it might grow back overnight. I honestly did not feel like I had huge faith but this I know that when God tells me to do something that obedience brings blessing. I just trust the He knows what He’s doing; and you know that sometimes when I go to pray for the sick I find myself you know really wanting to see it happen. And Holy Spirit will just tap me on the shoulder and say “Rest back into Me.” Because it’s through Him that it flows and as a result I’ve started to see people get healed before I get to lay hands on them. I started to become God’s reporter that when I have word of knowledge they step out and God touch them before I can even get to them.

Sid: And you know what it sounds like it’s almost like… I kid around a lot sometimes I demonstrate it when I’m speaking before a group. I say “Watch this and I’m not going to say a word and watch what happens to the presence of God.” And the minute I shut my mouth the presence of God increases; so it lets me know how important I am to the deal.   (Laughing)

Katherine: Oh, it’s so true and He just enjoys working with us; He enjoys working through us. But I tell you He is God and He is the healer and when people become aware of His presence and reach out to Him He is irresistibly drawn to anybody that will become vulnerable and expose their need to Him and look to Him for help. Jesus always manifests Himself as the answer; that’s who He is. And that’s who He was when we read about Him in the scripture; everyone who came to Him with a problem and looked to Him for help He manifested Himself as the answer to them. And He’s the same yesterday, today and forever if we’ll get humble and expose our need to Him and look to Him.

Sid: You know I don’t hear that word that often humble, humility and that is the missing ingredient in many many Christians. But I’ll tell you what Katherine wants to mentor you because that’s what she does she’s got a whole ministry team that does what she does….

Sid: My guest by way of telephone Dr. Paul L. Cox from Asland’s Place Ministry in Apple Valley, California. We’ve been talking this week about realms that most people have only read about in the Bible. Paul before we went on the air you were telling me about your moving yourself and your whole ministry into a new realm when it comes to deliverance, explain.

Dr. Paul L. Cox: Well when the Lord started releasing deliverance in the early ’90s we pretty much use a classical deliverance model. We would talk to demons and we’d get information and the Lord started telling me that I was not do that anymore and that He was going to change the model. He started releasing more and more information. And then I had some prophetic words very early that with one word I would cast the demonic out. I pretty much told the people the prophetic that that was impossible you couldn’t do it that way. Then some years later a prophet friend of mine from Alaska called and said he had a scripture for me and it was from the book of Matthew. And the verse was “With one word the Lord cast the demonic out.” And he said “Do you know what you’re supposed to do with that? And I said “I think so.” So I started to say one word and with my discernment I could feel the demonic start leaving and I could feel it leaving for up to 70 hours, as the Lord would clean out the person’s entire generational line.

Sid: Now you’ve lost me, what do you mean for 70 hours?

Dr. Paul L. Cox: For 70 hours if someone would stay with us I could feel the enemy coming off the person’s generational line.

Sid: That’s interesting now I’ve prayed for people for deliverance and I’ve put my hand on them and prayed and I can feel the thing leaving.

Dr. Paul L. Cox: Yes.

Sid: Is that what you’re explaining.

Dr. Paul L. Cox: Exactly, then I started receiving prophetic words that the Lord was going to be using us to do deliverance on congregations. We were in Honolulu last… the end of last year. I’d been invited to speak at a healing service at a Monday night. I expected just a few people to show up and the church was packed. And so we were back in the back praying and we felt the power of God come on us incredibly strong, so much so that we literally were on the floor in the power of God. And then we told it was time and we had to go to the front to start speaking. I got to the front and the power of God was on me so strongly that I started 3 or 4 times to speak and I was not able to. Then I just stood there and I said “I do not know what God wants to do but there’s something new happening. And with my discernment I felt the demonic starting to come off of people in that congregation. Waves of the power of God started coming over.

Sid: Now are you saying before you even prayer?

Dr. Paul L. Cox: Yes, I didn’t have to do anything. And waves of the power of God started coming over the people, people started falling on the ground manifesting. The Lord started setting people free.   I never know when this is going to happen…

Sid: In other words you can’t pray right now you can only do it, I mean you could but you could really with power when the Lord tells you to do it or it just happens while you’re talking.

Dr. Paul L. Cox:   No, I can discern with my discernment and God’s going to do it. I was in Argentina and a prophetess from the United States was speaking and I felt a furnace. And you remember Mt. Sinai Moses said that the furnace was on the mountain.

Sid: Yes.

Dr. Paul L. Cox: And now when I feel that furnace I know that God’s fire is going to come, His purifying fire. And He literally is going to drive the enemy out of the congregation.  

Sid: Well give me an example of what happens when that fire comes.

Dr. Paul L. Cox: When the fire comes…

Sid: I mean give me an exact example of a congregation that this happened in.

Dr. Paul L. Cox: Okay, for example I was in Toronto this last week. And we were ministering to the School of Ministry there and there were about 100 kids there. And the furnace showed up and again I was not able to talk anymore and kids literally started falling to the ground manifesting. The Lord had deliverance sovereignly on everybody there.

Sid: Okay, in churches in Bible schools what about the highways and byways, do these gifts ever operate when you’re outside of the 4 walls?

Dr. Paul L. Cox: Yes, very often. I have a sense that the Lord is going to release discernment as evangelism and it starts setting people free so that they no longer are confused by what the enemy is doing and can accept Christ.

Sid: Let me give you an example, there are a lot of Jewish people like you know I come from a Jewish background.

Dr. Paul L. Cox: Yes.

Sid: That have such defenses built up that they’re almost… you can’t penetrate them unless a miracle happens and God removes He calls the spiritual scales.

Dr. Paul L. Cox: Yes.

Sid: Are you saying we can facilitate this?

Dr. Paul L. Cox: I believe this is something that the Lord is going to do. I have faith that He’ll do it. But again I cannot initiate it, everything that has happened to me in discernment the Lord has initiated. I just had to discover what He was doing. Many times I do not understand sometimes for weeks what’s new in my discernment. But when I enter into what He’s doing I go back to what Jesus did. Jesus said “He only did what the Father was doing.”

Sid: Right.

Dr. Paul L. Cox: My level of discernment is I can understand what the Father’s doing and when you enter into that that’s when I see amazing amount of power take place.

Sid: Do you have any revelation on Jesus said “You’ll do the same works I’ve done and even greater.”

Dr. Paul L. Cox: Yeah.  

Sid: What did He mean by greater, I know the works He did but what about greater?

Dr. Paul L. Cox: Well I don’t know I’m not smart enough to know that but I’ll tell you what He’s done with me I’d never would have dreamed could have happened. Well people say to me “Well I can’t do that.” And my response is “Well you can’t do that yet but you can believe that you can do more than you’re doing now.” And I was over 45 when this happened to me and I didn’t ask for it, I didn’t know about it. But it is a much more exciting way to live as a Christian and it’s certainly not boring.

Sid: Now when you’re out in a restaurant…

Dr. Paul L. Cox:   Yes.

Sid: Have the gifts of discernment operated and what have you done about it. Give me an exact example.

Dr. Paul L. Cox: Oh, it’s fun. The Lord loves to eat out.  

Sid: (Laughing)

Dr. Paul L. Cox: And we’ll be in a restaurant and angels will land, prophetic words will come. We’ve had, one time we were in a restaurant and angels started landing and I was with an intern.  

Sid: How did you know an angel was landing, how did you know that an angel was landing?

Dr. Paul L. Cox: I could feel it on my head.  

Sid: You mean he landed on you.

Dr. Paul L. Cox: Right by me yes.

Sid: Huh, and what’s it feel like?

Dr. Paul L. Cox:   It’s like a pressure on the center of my head.

Sid: How do you know it’s angel and not a demon?

Dr. Paul L. Cox: It’s an angel because the Lord taught me how to discern that. Now Sid you gave me permission to do whatever happens right?

Sid: Absolutely.

Dr. Paul L. Cox: Okay, well there’s an angel by you right now and it has something to say to you, this is a message from the Lord for you. Okay, the message is still coming and the message is almost here. Okay there was some thoughts that came into your mind?

Sid: No.

Dr. Paul L. Cox: Keep listening. I’ve never done this on radio before, you generally feel or see?

Sid: I do both, well no I don’t see I generally feel or hear.

Dr. Paul L. Cox:   Hear, okay.

Sid:  And I usually hear like one word, like I did hear the word head.

Dr. Paul L. Cox: Okay, ask the Lord why He gave you that word, now there is more information coming. Same angel is now giving you more information. What is happening now the Lord is telling me what is going on by you through a pressure on my head.

Sid: Well I can hardly wait, tell me.

Dr. Paul L. Cox: Well he gives you the message.

Sid: Okay, (Laughing) oh my goodness.

Dr. Paul L. Cox: Okay, it’s still coming.

Sid: Well I did what I normally hear when I’m in the Spirit, I hear one word.

Dr. Paul L. Cox:   Okay.

Sid: I heard head, which and I know what that means. What that means is anyone that wants a healing in any area of their head or neck they can receive. I heard hip, which means anyone that starts exercising by faith walking will be healed. Now that’s the way it normally operates when I’m ministering. So could this be the same angel that tells me words when I minister?

Dr. Paul L. Cox:   Exactly, I feel anointing with that and the Lord’s confirming. Now what I can tell you is there is an angel that the Lord sent to give you those two words and so you have given those two words. And then the Lord is going to honor you speaking those words out in faith.

Sid: Okay, I was looking for a whole message, that’s why I was being still. I heard single words.

Dr. Paul L. Cox:   Nope, I think you did just perfectly.

Sid: Well my goodness the anointing is getting stronger. Can you tell what’s going on with that angel?

Dr. Paul L. Cox: Yes, there is an anointing on approval of the Lord on your life.  

Sid: It’s getting stronger.

Dr. Paul L. Cox: It is.

Sid: And my hands are getting warm and I hear the word back. Which obviously means anyone with a back problem and the head I’m hearing again. If you have a back or a head problem is being healed in Jesus Name.

Dr. Paul L. Cox:   Yes, there is anointing with that also.

Sid: Now on tomorrow’s broadcast we’re going to experience that Shabbat that Sabbath rest way beyond Orthodox Jews, way beyond Sunday Christians there must be something more. There is something more….

SID: So James and his wife had nine straight weeks of visitations of angels. Tell me that first night, what happened?

JAMES: It was absolutely amazing. You know, again, it happened right at 11:59, and I’ve always pondered, was that night not like a clock of God to a countdown to the midnight hour. An angel of the Lord came and stood in our room and he says to me, he says, “Watch your wife. I’m about to speak to her.” Now it didn’t only center around her. But he did come to speak to her and that night, this angel came and laid hands on her back, and she got delivered of the fear of man and the fear of rejection. And then the Lord called her, herself, to be a preacher and a prophetess that night.

SID: Now tell me about those lights. That’s amazing.

JAMES: Yeah. Not only did an angel come and stand at the end of the bed, but there had been a supernatural ball of light about this big around that stood over our dresser for five straight hours, and our room was illuminated with the realm of the Glory of God. I mean, we didn’t have to turn on a light. The whole room was radiating with the presence. Another one of the nights, there 29 of these fireballs, not just in a vision They showed up and they were circling around the ceiling and in the room. And we would just say, “Hit us with the fire of God.” And they’d come crashing down on us, the fire of God. And we were getting empowered by the Holy Spirit with new levels of authority over the realms of demonic, over realms of darkness, and then just new faith bursting in us for visitations.

SID: Well how did this change you? I mean what gifting did you see that perhaps wasn’t there that strong?

JAMES: One of the things that changed was my concept concerning women in ministry, and women in leadership. That was one of the main things that changed. Because all of a sudden, I was now married to a lioness who roared. I was married to Betty Crocker homemaker and now she was a roaring lion. So number one thing that changed was my view concerning women in leadership and women in ministry. And then there was just this empowered dimension, I mean, it empowered us so much that we didn’t want to just keep this for us. We wanted to now take this, spread the fire to the world. John Wesley, they asked him a question and they said, “How do you gather a crowd?” And John Wesley said, “I set myself on fire and people come to watch me burn.” Well that’s what happened with us and we’ve been gathering crowds, and I’ve been gathering crowds to watch us burn.

SID: I’m going to tell you something. You are really provoking me to jealousy.

JAMES: Good.

SID: But I want just to kind of whet our appetite a little bit. You heard an audible voice about the miraculous words of knowledge. Tell me about that.

JAMES: I moved into my new home there in Franklyn, Tennessee. The audible voice of the Lord, I’m not referring right in my heart. I’m talking about the external voice of the Lord came and thundered in my bedroom and said this: “The seeds that the seers and the prophets had sowed into the generation decades ago have now come into fruition. Therefore, there will now be an increase of a detailed gift of a word of knowledge and an increase of the gifts of the Holy Spirit that will create an atmosphere of the fear of the Lord, awe and wonder.”

SID: How close are we to the manifestation of that Word for you and for others?

JAMES: I believe it’s already started.

SID: Has it started in you?

JAMES: Yeah. Absolutely, because you see, when you hear the Word of God, the Book of Romans says, “That when you hear the words of Christ it produces faith.” So when I heard that, it catapulted me over to another level of hunger, into another level of asking, and then to another level of expectation. Anticipation, it’s called. And so by also in seeing this, the next generation in particular, not just them. Because I’m just saying, hey listen, you guys, you next generation guys, and I mentor a good deal of them, I go, I might be an older guy at this time, but you’re going to have to run real fast because this guy is catching his second wind.

SID: I’m sure. Tell me what God showed you, briefly, about Syria.

JAMES: Well this is over 10 years ago. I’ve been prophesying for over a decade. Then in the year 2013 and the year 2014, while all eyes would be on Iran and should be, that the great threat in the Middle East would come out of Syria. And I have been prophesying this for over a decade. An angel came, again, and stood at the end of my bed, and this warrior angel, he was dressed in military uniform, a warrior angel, and he pronounced to me. All he said was this: “Attention! Be on the alert.” And I was riveted with the supernatural energy of God. I could not go back to sleep even if I wanted to. And I just wanted to release a word, and I just wanted to say, “Watchman on the walls, it’s time,” Isaiah 62, Verse 6 and 7, “I have planned and I have chosen you as a watchman on the walls. Take your place. Attention! Be on the alert. And the shields of the earth belong to the Lord and be called forth something greater than the iron dome around Israel. We call forth [that] the shields of the earth belong to the Lord. And we call forth supernatural protection around Israel and even around our home homes in Jesus’ name.”

SID: You know what I’m reminded of? Yes. I’m reminded of Psalm 122:6, which is a commandment and the commandment goes like this: “Pray for the peace of Jerusalem. Thou shalt prosper that love thee.” The word “prosper” in the Hebrew means heart peace, and this world needs heart peace. If you have peace, what can anyone take from you? Pray for the peace of Jerusalem and you and your house shall have heart peace. Consider that a word from God at this strategic time in history. This is the set time to favor Zion. And God says, “I God will bless those who bless the Jewish people. I God will curse those who curse them.” Choose this day. Are you going to be on God’s said or are you going to be on the opposite? It’s for me and my house, it’s for you and your house. I proclaim you’re on God’s side.