Sid Roth

Sid: I want everyone everywhere to be red-hot for the Messiah. And what is red-hot?  Well just listen to this Jewish man and Sid Roth and this former Muslim man Akef Tayem. And Akef was born in Haifa, Israel. He’s a Palestinian Arab; he had an encounter that he could never deny with Jesus. He literally was taken up to the 3^rd heaven and when Jesus touched his right hand it burned with a fire to the point that when he started sharing his testimony literally the first time a man got out of a wheelchair and started walking. Akef you don’t know me to well, I hope that we get to know each other better but I love for God to perform miracles to demonstrate His power. Please tell me one more miracle you saw when you prayed for someone back then.

Akef:  Well the 3 churches, The Assembly of God, Church of God, and the Baptist Church I asked them if they would help me set up a little tent and they…

Sid: This is what you were making fun of with that Christian girl and you’re doing it now.

Akef:  I know and isn’t that amazing.  (Laughing)

Sid: (Laughing)

Akef:  So they did they got together and they got me a little tent and I was having a meeting in it. And of course a lot of things go on and I was more into my amazing, the healing was great. I mean it was fascinating but I was more amazed with what happened to your heart or somehow. And I was contemplating on that part. You know how God cleanses you because I felt new. I honestly… I see the expression “You must be born again.”  I honestly felt like a new person.  So during one of these services two ladies brought their mother, actually carrying her, helping her walk they dragged her in.  And they told me that she was given up for to die she said “The doctors let her out of the hospital, she had cancer in her lungs that spread too far, lymph nodes.” I think she said something like that.  And they told her to just go to her home and it will be just a few days and she’ll pass away.  I started to pray, I still didn’t get this concept thing of healing I guess when I look back. Because when I started praying for the 2 sisters and not for the mother. Saying “Lord, be with the them help them when their mother passes away.  I said, and I would stop. And a voice inside said “No, no pray for her.”  I didn’t understand that, so the third time I just pray for her. And I told the lady “I don’t know but the Lord is telling me to pray for you.”  So I prayed for her and a few days later she came by and I couldn’t even recognize her because she was… there was no color in her face for one thing.  And now she had color, she was red, she had blood flowing through her.  She came with a manila envelope and she showed me x-rays from her doctor. And that cancer shrunk and it became the size of a dime.  And it remained the size of a dime, she was healed but I don’t understand it was like a scar.  I kept in touch with her for maybe 5, 6, 7 years and she told me that the scar is there but…

Sid: Did the cancer every come back?

Akef:   No, no, no.

Sid: Akef we have to go on now.  Every time I go to New York City, just about every time I get a taxi driver and he’s a Muslim and I start witnessing to him. And the first thing and when I start quoting the scriptures the Jewish scriptures the Torah or I start quoting the New Testament he says “Oh, it’s all mistranslated.”  And I can’t even have a discussion with him. What would you say if you were able to sit down and talk to a Muslim taxi driver and he was to say to you “I don’t want to look at the Old Testament, I don’t want to look at the New Testament it’s all been changed by the Jews and the Christians. What would you say to them?

Akef:  Well for one thing I would understand where he’s coming from.

Sid: Where is he coming from?

Akef:  Well we are taught that Sid; we are taught that as children growing up. I don’t even know at what age; it looks like I was born with this thought I don’t know. But this is instilled in us.  We grow up believing that the Torah, Old Testament, has been changed by the Jews. The New Testament has been changed by the Christians and that it is not reliable and we are to just stay away from it.

Sid: Are you allowed to read it?

Akef:  No, no there is no such thing as we are discouraged. We are discouraged to read; I mean it would be foolish if a Muslim saw another Muslim reading the Torah. It just doesn’t even happen.

Sid: Okay, I want you to talk to this Muslim taxi driver.  You talk to him one on one right now.

Akef: Well what I found out, and it’s very interesting, is that they Koran never says Mohammed and the Koran never says “That the Torah was altered or changed or corrupted.” And I was very fascinated, and intrigued and puzzled when I came across that in the Koran.  That nowhere does it say that the Torah has been corrupted, and I couldn’t understand how and why would I grow up and every Muslim grows up believing that the Torah should not be looked at, read, believed because it has been altered.

Sid: Did Mohammed say that the New Testament was altered?

Akef:  Well, the thing with the New Testament is different.  What it’s interesting is that Mohammed and his follower’s red the Torah and the gospel on several occasions that are referred to. They consulted the Torah and a matter of fact Mohammed tells the Jews and the Christians he tells them “You don’t have anything unless you do what is between your hands,” which is an Arabic idiom for the book that you have between your hands. He tells them in other words, “Unless you read and you do what the Bible says and what the scripture says you have nothing in you.” And so my concern was then “Where did this come from?”  What Mohammed says in the Koran is that the Jews misinterpreted falsely interpreted because Mohammed could not read Hebrew so he would ask the Jews to interpret to him.  One of his main things he wanted to know any prophecies foretelling his coming. Because he knew that Jesus was foretold. So he really believed that he was foretold also.  And that’s one of the things that he didn’t like about the Jews and he said “You changed what was in it.”

Sid: In other words he thought that the Torah would predict that Mohammed was going to come. And when he was trying to find things from the Jews he was upset with the Jews and the Torah because it didn’t talk about him.

Akef:  Well, no he…you’re right but he thought that the Jews were lying to him.

Sid: Oh, I see.

Akef:  The Torah was actually it does mention…

Sid: That’s how we came up with it because he couldn’t even read Hebrew.

Akef:  That’s right.  And the Muslim Apologetics and the Hadith clearly state that, and the Imam that I talk to you later on, that it clearly makes it very clear that nowhere in the Koran that Mohammed say that anything was altered. But it was misinterpreted.

Sid: That’s a big difference; that’s when you saw that what did you think?

Akef:  Well, well I was amazed; I was puzzled you know. Then to add to this frustration  I wanted to find out when or how were we convinced; so many Muslim’s growing up why are we so convinced. And I found out when the lie was perpetrated.  And there’s no other way to call it.  It happened after the death of Mohammed.

Sid: So Mohammed had nothing to do with this lie.

Akef:  No, Mohammed had nothing to do with it.

Sid: Who did it?

Akef:  It was Abu Bakr was the first Caliph which would be like the Pope is to the Christians. He is the Imam the leader after Mohammed.

Sid: So he was the first leader after Mohammed.

Akef:  That’s right he was he was Aisha’s father it was Mohammed’s neighbor’s wife..

Sid: So what was his motivation?  Why did he do that?

Akef:  Well, that is a long. You know a long story it would take while. But what I found out is that it was a deliberate attempt on his part to convince the early converts to Islam.  Not to refer to the Torah because here is what happened…

Sid: Oh, no stop right here we’re out of time!   

SID: I mean, what a devastating thing. A young boy, the one that’s been with him his whole life that he thinks is his father and he knew his natural father, but he didn’t know him as “father”. And his father brings him, in the basement and tells him the truth. How old were you?

JOHN: I figured about six.

SID: At six, what affect did it have on you?

JOHN: From that moment on I did not want to live with my mother and my stepfather. I wanted to be with my dad. And it brought in, it developed that spirit of loneliness was deep with me. I had, it was a supernatural spiritual loneliness. It brought a feeling of rejection in. It actually brought fear into me because I remember I was afraid he would try that again. And I never was, from that day on, I was never comfortable in the family. And it devastated me inside as a little six year old. And that was that problem. It broke my heart at six and it carried over when I came to believe in the Lord Jesus Christ.

SID: Okay. You have the revelation that you have a broken heart. You now realize when it happened.

JOHN: Yes.

SID: You know exactly. What did you do about it?

JOHN: I cried out to the Lord to heal my heart. And Sid, it took me with the Lord about two or three weeks of prayer. And I can remember laying in bed at night with tears rolling down out of my eyes with this feeling of loneliness and emptiness, and it got to the point where I realized then that I know why a spouse will die like within a year after a spouse passes away.

SID: I’ve noticed that pattern.

JOHN: That loneliness, that’s what I actually felt. It felt like I was dying. That’s how severe it was. And then I cried out and I said, “Lord, if I die over this then I go to be with you, but I’m staying and I’m believing you’re going to heal my heart.” And literally, I could feel relief. It like came like that. It just came like up and out.

SID: It sounds easy, John.

JOHN: Well those two weeks, three weeks leading up to it, for me, was not easy. But the Lord delivered. I began a whole new man. That emergency brake feeling came off.

SID: But what about that fear, the loneliness, the loneliness you explained, the rejection, what about those things?

JOHN: I began to see how I operated in my life. One of the healing, one of the ministries of Jesus Christ is to open the eyes of the blind. And all of a sudden I began to see like now that my heart was healed actions that I did to protect that heart, and also the way I interacted with people with the fear of rejection and not wanting to be rejected, and things I said, and things. There was a whole complete revelation and I began to confess it to the Lord and say, “Lord, I’m not living with fear anymore.” I didn’t even know it was there.

SID: I heard a man once say, God never sets you free of your friends. He sets you free of your enemies. And he had no idea there was an enemy called fear. But this is the amazing thing. Once the heart is restored then these other critters that are enemies, they literally have to go.

JOHN: That’s right.

SID: It’s so wonderful. But tell me when the Bible talks about the ministry of Jesus was to restore the broken hearted, what does the word “broken” mean in Hebrew?

JOHN: That’s a real good question. And it’s actually Hebrew and Greek really mean the same thing. It means a violent shattering. There’s the word “violent”. And it’s like you have like this glass here and I took it and I just didn’t drop it, but I threw it down on the ground.

SID: There would be no way to restore that.

JOHN: It splinters apart and that is what the Bible describes as a broken heart. And Sid, there is nothing human on this earth that can heal a broken heart. It can only be, it’s supernatural, it can only be healed by Jesus Christ. That’s his ministry.

SID: Tell me about the woman with ulcerated colitis.

JOHN: Well what happened, Sid, is when my heart was healed, all of a sudden I would come in contact with people and in my mind I would hear, I would look at you for example and I’d hear “broken hearted, broken hearted”. And I would go up to you very politely, I just didn’t yell at you. I’d say, “Excuse me, but I believe the Lord is telling me you have a broken heart.” And people would start crying and it was amazing. The Lord is putting people across my path who need to be ministered to. So this ministry started to develop, just happened when I’d see instant results. Sometimes the results would take a while, but instant results. And this one woman had a powerful spirit of rejection. It happened when she was about five or six years old, just like you mentioned, rejected by kids, and all her life this rejection just continued. She had two husbands that left her and they liked divorced her on a Friday, and then married another woman on a Monday. And that, she was just, she had like a self-hatred of herself. And when I ministered to her about the broken heart it was very hard for her to receive that God loved her because of her broken heart. Even though she believed in the Lord, I know that this sounds weird, but that’s what happens with a broken heart. Jesus was her savior. But the reality of calling God, Abba Father, she couldn’t do it. She said, “I can’t do it.” It took a couple prayer sessions. And she had ulcerated colitis, where about four or five years, she was in the final stage of it. I mean, it was critical. She was anemic, bleeding severely. Finally, she broke through with Abba Father, her heart was healed and at that point my ministry, now what I do is if someone has physical issues, when I pray with them for a broken heart, we also pray for the physical issue. Because a lot of times the physical issue is caused by the broken heart, the fear and anxiety, and tension. So we prayed and her ulcerated intestines were healed right there on the spot.

SID: Once the heart is healed, the emotions get healed. The physical body gets healed.

JOHN: Yes.

SID: John has even gone into mental institutions in hopeless cases. One of the most hopeless cases they had in a mental institution was her heart was healed, she was healed. But I’ll tell you what, I want you to pray a supernatural prayer with John, because this is what he found out. The gift is growing. The same thing happened with me. I started laying hands on people and they got physically healed. Then I started speaking it, not even laying hands, and they got just as healed. I’ll have him pray for you when we come back.

Sid:  On yesterday’s broadcast I was speaking to my good friend Jonathan Bernis.  You’re familiar with him perhaps you’ve seen him on television “Jewish Voice with Jonathan Bernis.” We were talking about when… how many years ago was that we used to pray in tongues and supernatural languages Jonathan?

Jonathan:  Sid we’re coming up on 30 years; it was 1984, 85, 86 so…

Sid: So we used to get together for days of prayer and fasting and praying in tongues.  And you started doing things that frankly you didn’t understand and I didn’t understand.  As we got deeper into praying in tongues you started travailing like a woman in childbirth and we didn’t even know what was going on. But when you pray in supernatural languages you are prophesying your future.  And by the way the devil doesn’t have a clue.  And I’m reminded of another experience Jonathan we had.  We both went to a camp meeting with Kenneth Hagin, and he called us forward and he prophesied over me in English.  And then he prophesied over you but what happened to you when he started to prophesy?

Jonathan: Well the power of God came all over me and He began to speak in other tongues, in other languages.  I believe that he was prophesying directly to my spirit.  And it could have been about the call to Russia; the Jewish people in Russia in the Soviet Union.  But I knew that something was going on it was bypassing my mind. Frankly Sid maybe what he was saying if I had processed it with my mind I would have been in unbelief but because it came out in other tongues it went directly into my spirit and released faith.

Sid: But I found it interesting; he did that because he did not want the devil to even hear this word.  I’m convinced of that and the presence of God I mean you were out; you didn’t even… I had to tell you what happened because you didn’t even know what was going on.

Jonathan: I know.

Sid: And actually, I’ll tell you when it was; it was January 26, 1995. Let me read to you and mine was in English.  And this is what he prophesied over me.  “Earnest sincere desires, hungry in your spirit will be satisfied.  Fulness, fulness, fulness ability imparted on to you.”  And then he began to laugh (Ha, ha, ha, ha) “Stand the test, win the battle, do the work, great work.  Many will be gathered, many, many, many, many.”  And you know what?  I have found since that point when he started doing (Ha, ha, ha, ha) that when I pray in supernatural languages when the prayer has gotten to heaven and it really has gotten through I start speaking ha, ha, ha, ha.  And I know that I’m laughing at the devil you don’t have a clue of what I’m saying Mr. devil you must be going mashuga, you must be going crazy. (Laughing)

Jonathan:  That’s right and I begin to laugh hysterically sometimes when something’s been broken in the spirit.  And then it materializes in the flesh; it’s an amazing thing.  First in the spirit and then in the natural.

Sid: And you had to raise ridiculous sums of money to bring all the people from the United States to the former Soviet Union and do these big Jewish concerts and dance festivals and outreaches.  I’m convinced again you were even prophesying the money that would come in for it. And you had it come in in a very supernatural fashion.

Jonathan: Absolutely true and I’m sure that that was the case.  Sid when we had our first outreach.  You remember that big beautiful hall like the Carnegie Hall of St. Petersburg?  When I rented that hall I had no money; no money at all.  No money for the hall rental, no money for the advertising, no money for the plan tickets, no money for the hotel, no money for the sound and lights; nothing, nada.  And through prayer, and I belive much of it supernatural and other tongues, I got a call from someone that I’d never met that ended up paying for 80% of the entire event.  One person; never met him and he heard about me and called me right before I left for Russia.

Sid: But I got to impress on those that we’re mentoring right now if you and I some 30 years ago did not spend days praying and fasting and speaking in supernatural languages I don’t believe these things would have happened.  I mean when I walk around It’s Supernatural Ministry and I realize that we have state of the art and the buildings all paid for and we’re all over the world and we’re going now into the Spanish language and we’re in the Russian language all over the former Soviet Union.  And we’re in the Farsi language and I say “Who could possibly have believed that?”  But Jonathan you said that there was a second key in addition to speaking in tongues that triggered your faith.  What was that?

Jonathan:  Sid let me just say this “Without faith it’s impossible to please God.”  And I don’t think that anything of lasting value; I’m talking about that which remains after the wood, hay, and stubble is burned away happens any other way than through faith.  Unless the Lord build the house those who labor labor in vane; and that is built through faith.  The second way that we can build faith and hear from God and release things prophetically and see creative miracles is through the word of God.  Confession of the Word of God Roman’s 1:17 tells us that “Faith comes from hearing and that hearing by the word of God.”  Now that verse has the hearing twice in it.  And that’s not by accident; I don’t want people to miss this.  There’s two kinds of hearing everyone; there’s hearing with the natural ear and there’s hearing secondly with the ear of the Spirit.  And the gateway to the ear of the Spirit is the natural ear; we confess the word of God; we confess the word of God; and eventually we hear it with the inner ear of our spirit. And when it gets into our spirit it releases faith; faith is built up. And when we confess it again it’s creative it has force.  And it becomes what we decree drops into the natural realm when we see it come to pass.

Sid: Let me read a prophesy from Malachi chapter 3 verse 16 & 17.  It blew me out of the water when I read this the other day.  “Then those who feared the Lord spoke to one another and the Lord listened and heard them. So a book of remembrance was written before him; for those who fear the Lord and who mediate on His Name they shall be Mine.”  There’s that meditating again.

Jonathan: Yeah, that mediate; that word mediation is different than the Christian concept of meditation.  The Christian concept of meditation is to reflect with the mind.  But the Hebrew which is Haga and that should be familiar to Jewish people listening we have the Haggadah which is to tell the story of Passover. It’s to confess; it’s to confess; it’s to groan; it’s to sigh to mutter; to speak forth.  And when God exhorted Joshua to be strong and to take the land.  He said “To mediate confess; speak forth on my word day and night and if you do that you’ll be successful and you’ll take the land.”

Sid: Now, let’s go to this beautiful coffee table book “Confessing the Hebrew Scriptures with a CD inside and it’s called “The Lord is Peace.”  Take me through this.

Jonathan:  Okay Sid this is a work book that’s what I call these; these series on confessing the Hebrew workbook.  It is a beautiful bound book that would be a great coffee table book; with beautiful restful pictures.  And so on the back there’s a CD; you put the CD in and you begin to follow along in the English and then the Hebrew. And then I employ a technique a system I learned growing up in synagogue called “Transliteration.”  Very few Jewish people can actually read Hebrew anymore so our prayer books have this transliteration which is phonetically sounding out the Hebrew in English so we can read along and be part of the prayers in the synagogue.  Well I’ve employed that method to this workbook; so without any study; without any knowledge of Hebrew in 5 minutes you can be confessing scriptures related to this name of God, Jehovah Shalom, or Adonai Shalom.  Peace, rest, breaking through anxiety, fear and so on.  And you’re actually confessing the word of God in the Hebrew language along with a Hebrew speaker on the CD with beautiful music in the background.  And Sid by doing that you’re speaking in the tongue of the prophets; scriptures that directly combat anxiety, fear, tension, depression.  And the word shalom is related to completion, the wholeness and it actually drops into your spirit eventually.  You’re building faith, it actually changes you; I promise anyone that will actually put this to work will be changed in a week.

Sid: This is brand new but you’ve had a similar one out on healing; but you know what this combines both of them because as you explained the word shalom completeness. Complete in your spirit, in your soul and in your body.  So every area of life and this day and age we’re living in many feel as the Orthodox Jews do that we’re in the footsteps of Messiah.  And everything that can shake is going to be shaken and if you have built into your spirit the shalom, the completeness of God no weapon formed against you can prosper.  But what types of feedback did you get when you did this several years ago?  What types of healings and testimonies did you get?

Jonathan:  Well, we had some great testimonies Sid; we had people that were completely delivered; supernaturally delivered.  I had a very touching letter from a pastor who actually heard about this resource on your program and they ordered the workbook “Jehovah Rophek, the Lord our healer.”  And he gave it to a woman in his church who was dying of Leukemia and she began to play it.  In fact the doctors gave her 10 to 12 days to live. He gave her the CD and the workbook, she listened to it continually; she confessed these scriptures and she was completely healed.  The doctors declared that she was completely healed that she didn’t even have Leukemia cells in her body at all.  And then her body began to produce blood cells again.  And she has lived to declare the works of the Lord; amazing testimony it’s just one of many that we’ve received through people that have received this and put it to work in their life.

Sid:  We want everyone everywhere to be red hot for the Messiah.  As a matter of fact, I can’t understand why everyone is not red hot for the Messiah.  Do you know red hot is normal? Lukewarm, you get vomited out of God’s mouth according to the book of Revelation, and cold I don’t have to define that you know what cold is.  So red hot is normal and if you’re not normal then you’ve turned into the right station at the right time because I’ve got a man that’s also like me; he’s red hot.  You’ve heard of the organization he started Promise Keepers. His name is Coach Bill McCartney.  Many of you know him because of his supernatural, and I do say supernatural coaching career.  On yesterday’s broadcast we found out that when he was a Coach at the University of Colorado he did okay but nothing special. His Pastor comes walking up to him and he said “He had a dream about him and that he’d be Coach of the Year and that he’d have a golden year.”  Coach just for those that didn’t hear it yesterday or those that need to hear it again tell me again what the Headlines said and what the year was like in Colorado after that prophecy.

Coach:  Well Pastor James Rowel told me that we’re going to have a Golden Season and that I would be the National Coach of the Year.  Then we played our first game on national television against the University of Texas.  And the next day in the Denver Post right across the Front Page it said “Buff’s” short for Buffalos; we were the Colorado Golden Buffalos.  It said “Buff’s Debut Golden Season.”  That was a shocking headline because you don’t win 1 game and have somebody say you’re having a Golden Season, and you don’t make 1 game and make the front page.  But what happened was we won all 11 games; we ranked number 1 at the end of the regular season.  I was selected the National Coach of the year and truly we had a Golden Season.

Sid:  Coach, tell me about the time someone yelled to you during a football game “Where is your God now?”

Coach:  It was years later when I took a team back to Ann Arbor to play the University of Michigan. Prior to the game the Lord had showed me during the summer in July that a passage in scripture Promise Keepers had exploded on the scene we were filling stadiums.  And in the second chapter of Haggai the 2^nd verse it says “You will shake the nations.”  When I mediated on that verse I really understood at that time that God was going to shake the nations with this ministry Promise Keepers this men’s ministry.  Then a little further down in the 2^nd chapter in the 18^th verse it says on the 9^th month on the 24^th day I will bless you.  And I looked on the calendar I did what you would do if you were a football coach; I looked to see if on the 9^th month on the 24^th day if we had a game.  And low and behold we were going to play the University of Michigan where 13 years ago I had come and really I had come in a prophetic sense and when God had kind of moved me to Colorado.   So I asked the Lord even though on the Jewish calendar on the 9^th month and the 24^th day isn’t September the 24^th still I asked the Lord “Can I receive that, are you going to bless me?” And the Lord affirmed to me that He was going to bless me on that day.  Sure enough we’re playing Michigan and we get there I got to tell you this piece to the story.  When we get there it is Friday and in the Ann Arbor news it had my picture on the sports page that wouldn’t be unusual both teams were undefeated this was a nationally televised game.  This was a big game by any stretch of the imagination. So below my picture though it says Matthew 7:24 it says “This man built his house on rock.”  For those of you that aren’t familiar with the verse it says “Whoever hears these words of mine and does them is like a wise man who builds his house on rock; whoever hears these words of mine and doesn’t do them is like a foolish man that builds his house on sand.”  Then it says, “Storms are coming everyone is promised storms but the one who builds his house on rock his house ill endure.”  So anyway you know it’s this picture of me and it’s this picture verse and trust me the Ann Arbor News doesn’t quote scripture on the sports page.  And so this was highly unusual well, the next day we’re playing; we’re trailing late in the game and we’ve got time for one more play and people are familiar with football may remember this situation and we were on our own 33 yard-line time for one play left and a guy stood up in the stands, there’s 107,000 people at the game, and at this time there was just a little bit of a lull in the action so the stadium had quieted just momentarily waiting for them to move the yard sticks. This guy just bellowed out loud enough for 1000’s of people to hear. He says “McCartney where is your God now?”  Well on the next play we completed a pass a deflected pass that went for a touchdown, we won the game it was called the play of the year in college football

Sid: You knew that you were going to win though.

Coach:  My God showed up.

Sid: (Laughing) You’d be in big trouble if you God did not show up!

Coach:  That’s right your God’s got to show up.

Sid: You and I are talking about other things before this broadcast and you keep saying to me is “All I want is God to show up.”

Coach:  Amen.

Sid:  You know that’s all I want and that’s all everyone that’s listening that’s all you need you don’t need anything else.  And in our peanut brains we try to figure out and we try to calculate and we try to plan, and the truth of the matter is that scripture that you said yesterday “Trust in the Lord with all your heart and lean not in your own understanding and acknowledge Him in all of your ways and He will direct your path.”

Coach:   You know I’m wanting to come really close; I mean I want to be fully intimate.  I want all that He has for me; I want to be filled with His Spirit.  I don’t want to chase my tail; I don’t want to squander my days. I don’t want to just be a guy who knew the Lord; I want to be a guy who serves the Lord.

Sid: Give me some advice; I think any true Christian wants what you said but the flesh, the devil, other things they’re strong forces coach.

Coach:  Here’s what I would say; I would say “Take God at His word; go after Him pursue Him.”  The Bible says “Draw near to God and He will draw near to you.”  And so you get up in the morning and you get up early enough to have a time with Him and then you pursue Him.  And whether you think He showed up that day or not you just keep pursuing Him. Day after day after day you know what you’re going to discover that He’s going to wrap His arms around you; He’s going to breathe on you; He’s going to fill you with His Holy Spirit.  He promises to do that because scriptures says in Matthew 5:6 it says “Blessed is he who hungers and thirst for righteousness for he shall be filled.”  In other words if you hunger and thirst to be right with God if you have to have Him at all costs and you pursue Him like that.  See Jeremiah 13 says “You shall seek Me and you shall find Me when you seek Me with all your heart.”  God’s not looking for a part-time believer as Sid has said that is red hot.  Now God may test you; you may go two weeks, God wants to be sure that you’re not going to turn back.  Then He’s going to fill you with His Spirit and when He fills you with His Spirit it’s just a whole new way to live and die.  It is the abundant life; now you take Him everywhere you go everything you’re involved in. Whether it’s coaching football, whether it’s men’s ministry or whether it’s being a good husband or father; whatever it is you take Him with you.

Sid: You know Coach I just want to PS to something that you’re saying.  It doesn’t matter whether you feel like it; it doesn’t matter whether you say “Well, I don’t know if my hearts want You as much as my mind says, but I’m going to go after you with as an act of my will God because I really want to make contact with you.  I really need to have intimacy with you.” God can’t resist that can He coach?

Coach:  He’s a rewarder of those that who diligently seek Him; but you must believe that He is God.  And so you got to go after Him and take Him at His word until He shows up.

Sid: Well, we did it again we’re just about out of time… very few people know about the origins of Christianity, the Jewish roots of Christianity.  Very few Christians understand where traditional Judaism went astray; very few Christians understand areas where traditional Christianity went astray.  Before Jesus returns, I have it on good authority the Word of God there will be the glorious church; the glorious congregations.  Do you know why it will be the glorious church? Because it will be filled with manifest presence of God.  Someone will not have to lay hands on you in this glorious church you’ll just have to walk into the cloud; that same cloud that Moses walked in.  Did you know that Moses lived 120 years of age? He had a secret of youth; he just spent a lot of time in the glory; that’s what Coach McCartney is talking about.  You don’t get old in that glory… I believe the greatest move on planet earth of God’s Spirit where more souls are going to come in.  But the truth of the matter is God wants to use you; God wants to use everyone but most people will miss this move because there looking for God in a different way.  I don’t know exactly how the move will be but I know some of the ingredients…

Sid: I am so excited about introducing a friend of mine to you that’s been on our broadcast previously; he’s been on our television show – Dr. Howard Morgan. Dr. Morgan has a book called “Leaves from the Olive Tree.” I’ll tell you something, he has gleaned insights into the One New Man, or the One New Race that I wish I had put in my book which I didn’t.  You know what, I wasn’t supposed to put it in my book. The reason I wasn’t supposed to put it in my book is each of us receives a little bit different revelation, and when we put it all together we get the complete thing. He has brought, literally, this book is an anthology of kingdom perspectives. What do I mean by that? Let me read a little bit. He says “When the church departed from its Jewish roots and embraced non-Biblical concepts and theologies, Satan was able to infect the church with numerous,” whoa this is heavy, “doctrines of demons.” Have you wondered why you read the Bible; you know what the church is supposed to be like; you know about the power that’s supposed to be there; you know about the love that supposed to be there. The truth of the matter is in many instances there’s not a great deal of difference between those who call themselves Christians, and people that are non-Christians that are very moral people. There’s as many divorces in the church as outside of the church. There’s as many people addicted to pornography in the church as outside the church.  There’s got to be a change, there’s got be something different. Have we really deviated? I guess I put so much out there right now, I’m going to do something I was debating whether I should do it or not. My guest Dr. Howard Morgan told me he recently had a revelation from God about Christianity. At first I said “I can’t let him say this on my show.” Second, I said “I got to let him say this on my show.” Howie would you tell me this revelation.

Dr. Morgan: Thanks, first Sid it is great to be with you. I just want to honor the Lord by saying how much your ministry has meant to me, and how honored I am to be on your show and see all the work that the Lord is doing through your ministry.

Sid: Well thank you so much, but I’ll tell you what I am so excited to just sit down and brainstorm with you, another Jewish man that understands there is something more and is not going to settle for mediocrity or “religion.”

Dr. Morgan: Amen, amen, amen. We’ve had a passion for the kingdom of God since we’ve had our supernatural encounters with the Lord Jesus in the early 70’s. In answer to your question about this revelation, oh several years ago I was in my car driving through the states in my traveling ministry and came through the part of the town where all of the churches were zoned together so you had all the church buildings in one area. As I was driving through I felt the Holy Spirit speak to me and said “These people are practicing an aberrant religion.” Now I knew it was the Lord Sid because the word “aberrant” was not part of my vocabulary; I didn’t know what the word meant. So I pulled my car over and pulled out a little electronic dictionary that I have because every now and again the Lord does that to me to let me know it is Him and not me. I typed into the dictionary aberrant and of course I spelled it wrong and it came up and it said “Do you mean this word?”  Aberrant is that which has moved away from the pattern; that which has diverged from the original intention. When I saw that word and I heard in my spirit, God was saying “These people are practicing a religion that has moved away from the original pattern, that apostolic and prophetic pattern of love, and power, and anointing, and freedom… all the things that we see in the book of Acts, and we read about in times of revival and restoration in the body of Christ. Many times when we’re preaching about revival and talking about revival I say to people “I don’t think that we should use the word revival, I think we should use the word normal because we should be praying for normal.” So many times when there is revival breaking out that’s what should be going on all the time…

Sid: And it should not be happening in the 4 walls, if anything it should be happening outside of the 4 walls of the church.

Dr. Morgan: Well and that’s another thing most people fail to understand is that the church is not the building. Another revelation, if you will or insight the Lord gave me, as we were talking one day to some church elders in New York City. Talking about this whole dynamic of aberrancy and what does it mean and how does it affect us? What God wants to do in His body, I saw a picture of a church, a classic country church you know with a pitched roof and a steeple. As I was looking in my spirit I saw this building and all of a sudden it split from top to bottom, it split in half. From the base of this split this enormous tree emerged, and I heard in my spirit the Lord say “I’m going to deliver to the body of Christ from the spirit of the Christian religion.” When He spoke that to me it was like things started popping off that Christianity as it has been practiced, not the doctrines of our faith, but the way the religion we call Christianity has been practiced was… there was a spirit an actual demonic principality that had so influenced the church, the real body of Christ, that we practiced in so many ways the wrong things, done the wrong things, and wondered why we’re not getting the results; we’re seeing the fruit, we’re not seeing the gifts; we’re not seeing the demonstration of the kingdom that was so clearly promised to us by Jesus, and by Paul and we saw demonstrated. We’ve seen down through church history believers expressing the kingdom of God and literally change nations.

Sid: I know you’ve heard this expression, but the definition of insanity is to keep to doing the same thing and expect different results.

Dr. Morgan: Right, absolutely.

Sid: I have to go back to that word because I was not familiar with the word that you used. You said “That Christianity has become an aberrant religion.”

Dr. Morgan: Yes.

Sid: And the word aberrant means deviated from the pattern. So perhaps that’s where I’d like to start.

Dr. Morgan: Good.

Sid: Where did we deviate from the pattern, and what is the pattern?

Dr. Morgan: Well I think in simple, and I tried to ask the Lord to keep things simple because I’m not the smartest guy in the pack, and I’m always asking the Lord “Help me to understand this.” What He did was take me back to Colossians chapter 1 where Paul writes, and I believe this is his philosophy of ministry. That is what was he doing, and why was he doing it. He writes in the end of Colossians that he does everything he can by the wisdom and power of God to bring people to maturity in the Messiah. Everything the church is supposed to do, the environment that we’re supposed to be creating in our meetings is supposed to be conducive, that environment is supposed to be conducive for helping people grow. Instead, so much of what goes on in church can really be described as theatre, religious theatre, it’s a show. You know, I was in England ministering a few months ago and went to the Centennial celebration of the Liverpool Cathedral. The bishop in his talk about the mission of the cathedral, and the vision of the cathedral; he actually said that the cathedral was literally spiritual theatre that everything that goes on in the cathedral, and the way the architecture and its design from the high altar even out to the gargoyles, was all to represent the invisible realm in a visible way, it was theatre. I sat there Sid and my mouth was open because he was saying exactly what I have been hearing from the Holy Spirit. Instead of us experiencing the reality we’ve settled for something that was a ritual, or something that was simply an expression of what should be a reality. There was not the power so we had something that talked about power, or something that modeled it but it really didn’t demonstrate it.

Sid: Now you and I both have studied early church history and we know where we moved from the norm, but we literally went away from Jewish roots of the faith. We know that the church went away from the Jewish roots of the faith for very bad reasons…

Dr. Morgan: Right.

Sid: But they did, basically for anti-Semitic type reasons. What did they substitute instead of the Hebraic roots? Then let’s talk about what they should have kept.

Dr. Morgan: Right. When the church moved into the Greco-Roman world they began to be influenced by the philosophies of the Greeks and the Romans. Greek philosophy was very very seductive. The Jews were seduced if you will by Hellenistic philosophies you know in the times of the Maccabees. There were Hellenistic Jews that became very secular. They were brought into the web of deception of Greco-Roman philosophy…

Sid: Is that that religious spirit you’ve been talking about that’s so seductive?

Dr. Morgan: Yeah that spirit uses that because the devil… you know the devil will use any lie he can to move people even one degree away from the call of God. If you move just one degree away, if you believe one lie, that one lie, that one degree of separation from the truth of God, as you move on in your life that one degree takes you hundreds and hundreds of miles away from your appointed destiny. Like that letter “V” at the base of the “V” your right there doing what God wants, but one little lie, one even wrong thought starts taking you off on a path that diverges that becomes aberrant it moves away from the pattern. So when the church moved into the Greco-Roman world with power and signs and wonders, little by little, this stuff doesn’t happen in a day the philosophies of the Greeks and Romans began to influence the church. In a nutshell, the essence of platonic, if you will, our statillion philosophy is “That I think, therefore I am. Man is the measure of everything if it makes me feel good, if I like it it’s good.”

Sid: So they are the originators of what is called “Seeker Sensitive?”

Dr. Morgan: Yep, absolutely.

Sid: Versus God sensitive. Tell you what we’re out of time…