Sid Roth

Sid: My guest Doug Jones is a teachers teacher; he’s a Professor out at Rhema Bible College in Tulsa, Oklahoma.  For 9 years he taught in their healing school; where people came from all over the world with terminal diseases.  He actually lived for a season with Kenneth Hagin in his home. And Kenneth Hagin of course has gone home to be with the Lord. But Doug of everything you’ve learned from Dr. Hagin what was the most important thing in reference to healing?

Doug: There was a principal that Brother Hagin would always say after he ministered to the sick.  And sometimes even before.  Well, in most cases before but sometimes he’d talk about it after-wards.  He’d say these words “The moment I lay my hands upon the healing power of God will be administered to your body but what you do with it after that is up to you.”  I want to say that again Sid; I can’t tell you how many times I heard him say these words. “The moment I lay my hands upon you the healing power of God will be administered to your body; but what you do with it after that is up to you.” For years I heard him say that and I would travel with him from 1975 until 1979 I pretty well traveled with him everywhere he went here in the states.  Now he did take a trip to South Africa that I did not go with him on.  But he would minister to the sick, hundreds of people and he would say that over and over. “What you do with it after that it’s up to you.”  Finally that statement got to me and I thought to myself “Well, what are you supposed to do with it after that; I mean what’s all this.”  And I went back through some of brother Hagin’s teaching in his transcripts and I found a transcript dated January 8, 1982 brother Hagin was teaching in Healing School.  Now I’m going to read this word for word it’s a transcript; it’s not an edited thing so it’s going to sound a little different because it is a word for word. But I want to read this to you can see.  “I’m talking about once that healing power has been administered through the laying on of hands or through the handkerchief or apron placed upon your body; that healing power goes into your body and it begins to work but what you do with it after that is up to you.”  I’m quoting Brother Hagin I was preaching in Beaumont, Texas in January of 1953 and a lady brought her daughter; oh between 8 or 9 years old.  She had polio when she was about 3 years old, never had walked another step encased in braces.  She carried that little 8 year old girl with those braces into the healing line.  I’m sitting in a chair on the platform laying hands on folks.  I took the child in my hands and held her; I laid my hands on those little limbs. They were no bigger than just bone and skin.  I felt that healing power go into her; oh my heart went out to that little girl then. My daughter that you know was much older than that and a mother herself.  (And she was at the same age at that time; identically at the same age about 8 or 9 and he’s talking about Pat his daughter.)  And I thought what if that was my daughter; I learned by speaking to the woman that it was her only child; her only child.  Now I just had one daughter and one boy and I thought (Oh, my God.)  And I said to the congregation what about if this was your child reach your hands out with compassion; reach your hands out with faith towards this child.  See and we ought to always get involved in this; it ought not to just be Brother Hagin, oh no, no, no. Read again in James chapter 5 “He says pray one for another that you may be healed”  we ought to get involved.  And so I said to the congregation reach your hand out in faith, reach out in compassion towards this little child; this little girl; this little child; what if this was your child polio stricken?”  There seemed to be no immediate change; oh I had such a strong anointing.  I said to the mother “I don’t know everything but I know this “The Lord told me in the vision that when that power leaves your hand and goes into them you know that they are healed, that’s as far as God is concerned it’s done.”  I said “If it will help you any at all, I have had a stronger anointing ministering to this child than I had with anybody in this whole meeting; that anointing went into your child’s limbs and into her body.”  Well, and this is important Sid, I never tell people to take off their braces or to get up out of the chair or anything unless the Lord particularly leads me or sometimes He tells me too.  Sometimes you’ll just have an inward intuition but if you don’t I just leave them in their own chair. It’s not according to my faith Jesus didn’t say to the woman with the issue of blood “Daughter it’s my faith that made you whole.”  He said “Daughter your faith made you whole.”  And so I had no further leading and I just handed the child back to her mother and she took her into her arms and went back to her pew. And then we finished the healing line and they went home.  At the 10:00 service the next morning the pastor came running up to me because I stayed there in his home. I was in the bathroom shaving; I could hear his voice you know and I knew that he was quite excited about something. Brother Hagin, Brother Hagin! “You know that lady that was there last night with that little child girl with polio and all the braces.” And I said “Yeah,  ‘Well, she’s out there, the braces are off and the child is healed.’”  He had the woman to testify and then that night the same night the same thing, the girl walked up and down the aisle all around where everybody could see her.  The little limbs you see had completely gown to the same size as the one as the other and it was several inches shorter; it was just as long and just as big around as the other limb.  Well, the mother said “How many of you were here last night?”  I guess around 90% of the crowd lifted their hands, she said “You saw what Brother Hagin did and said and so on.”  My husband and I went home by that time we had gotten home the child was asleep because it was late.  So I just put her in bed she was asleep.  I got up the next morning and got her husband off to work, then about 8:00 in the morning she was still asleep and usually let her sleep because she is the between 8 or 9 years old.  Because she’s never gone to school she can’t walk so I just let her sleep and so I went in as usual as my custom was to give her a bath.  And that’s the only time I remove her braces is when I put her in the bath tub.  So I drew the bath water then I went into the bedroom awakened her, picked her up carried her into the bathroom; removed her night clothes, took off the braces.  She’s not any better, not any better, I put her in the bath tub and she’s 8 years of age but because of her crippled condition I have to bath her.  I got down on my knees and I begin to bathe her and I begin to cry. The tears fell off of my face into the water; I said “Oh God, why, why, why, I wanted my baby, I wanted her to be healed; she’s my only child and I wanted her to be healed so badly.  And she said “Something on the inside of me.”  See, she’s born again and the Spirit-Filled Christian really, it was her spirit, the Holy Ghost in her spirit.  Something in the inside of me just spoke up and said “Do you believe that Brother Hagin just stood there and in other words just sat there because I was sitting in a chair when I laid my  hands upon her; ‘ Do you believe that he sat there on the platform and told a bare-face lie; he said the power of God went into that child; do you think he did; do you believe that?’ No she said “I don’t believe that he lied; I believe that he told the truth.”  She said “Something on the inside of me said, ‘Do you believe that Brother Hagin is a prophet of God a man of God?”  And I said  tried up my tears and I said “Oh God, forgive me of my doubts.” She she’s born again, Spirit-Filled member of the full gospel church but forgive me of my doubts, forgive me, I repent.  She said out loud “I believe that Brother Hagin is a man of God (see she’s saying it with her mouth Sid) I believe that he’s called of God, I believe that he’s anointed of God; I believe that he’s a prophet of God.  I believe that he told the truth; I don’t believe that he lied.” I believe. Here it is “What you do with it after that is up to you.”  That’s what we’re talking about, “I believe that the power flowed into my child; I believe that power is working in my child’s limb now.”  See Sid that’s what Brother Hagin is talking about “What you do with it after that.” You have to believe that’s it’s present and that it’s working mightily in your body.  Listen to what she said “I believe that that power flowed into my child, I believe that that power is working in my child’s limbs now.  See when she said that something like dry sticks popping. I looked down at the bathtub and that limb straightened right out; right there in front of my eyes the child was perfectly healed.  Now what am I saying to you?  Is the healing power (this is Brother Hagin now.)  Is the healing power of God often times is ministered to a person’s body, that’s the reason sometimes it’s 10 days, that’s the reason sometimes it’s 3 days, that’s the reason sometimes it’s not always instant.  The healing power of God is administered to a person’s body but the healing process will not be consummated until faith is exercised. “Are you listening to me; are you listening to me?”  What he was talking about was simply this Sid, is that that woman in order to keep that power working in her child’s body she had to believe that it was administered; and she had to believe that it was working mightily.  Brother Hagin would say these words “The moment I lay my hands on you the healing power of God will be administered to your body but what you do with it after that is up to you.”  What happens is this Sid is that people are exiting prayer lines and because they don’t see an instantaneous manifestation then they never consider that the healing power of God was administered.

Sid: Many times I prayed for people; I have felt even though as you have explained in your books, “It doesn’t matter what you feel.”  But I have felt the anointing go into the person; the person feels the anointing and guess what they’re not healed.  What you’re saying is “That’s how we are missing it.”

Doug:  Because they didn’t do anything with it, they didn’t believe that the anointing was administered and they didn’t believe that it was working mightily.