Sid Roth

Sid: We want everyone everywhere to hear God’s voice for themselves.  I can’t think of anything for important for you than for you to hear God’s voice and do it.  That’s why I have Richard Mull on this week.  And Richard you were a nice graduate of a Baptist School; you worked in denominational churches.  No one anywhere taught you how to hear God’s voice; the most important thing.  How did you and your wife begin to hear God’s voice?

Richard:  Great question and it was you know such an interesting process. You know I teach people now to hear God in a matter of minutes and almost 100% hear God. But when you don’t have a mentor sometimes, you run on almost by trial and error but I was… the very first time that it became desperate I was beginning to really seek God in the Word for hours a day fasting and praying.  I wanted to know how to hear God’s voice. I thought alright I’m going to walk up to total strangers like Cecil and give them a word from God.  And a couple times where I felt pretty sure I had…

Sid: By the way let me just interject something here.  I work a lot with tradition Jewish people and I try to show them.  And I have what I consider the greatest proof imaginable that Jesus is the Messiah.  But there is almost like spiritual scales over their eyes and they don’t hear me.  But one word from God; one miracle, one sign and wonder and the scale just disappears and then they hear the truth.  And they receive Jesus; this is so important would you agree Richard?

Richard:  Oh yeah, oh yeah.  What’s interesting is how many people when you hear God and you give them a word from God it touches people more deeply than anything I could say.

Sid:  Okay, tell me the steps that occurred for you to hear God for yourself.

Richard: At first I wanted to do it like Cecil because that was my only experience. And I had things that came to me but I was too afraid to go up to a total stranger and try to do the same thing.  And that’s kind of like jumping into the deep end of the pool and so I would ask God’s forgiveness.  I’d think I had something to say to someone but how would I know that this is God?  So it began for me when I was doing a college retreat; I was seeing so much in scripture I was fasting and praying and crying out to God every day because I wanted to hear His voice.  I wanted experience God the way Jesus taught His disciples.  I had been asked to speak at this college retreat.  And this girl began to pull her shirt and pull her hair and rise.”  And I was just a baby in hearing God’s voice and I had been in the “Is this God is this me?”  I didn’t have the luxury of figuring that out so I said “God Show me what to do.”

Sid: This was a demon manifesting; did you realize that?

Richard: I had never seen that before; it was a Baptist College Retreat at a mega church and so I had to do what I believed was coming from God.  And the girl got freedom; and I turned around and explained to the group what happened and why I did what I did like I understood it.  But it was like I knew this is not coming from me even the explanation was not coming from me.  I had never experienced anything like that before; I was actually thinking I hope somebody takes good notes because this is really good stuff and I won’t remember it.

Sid: What exactly did you say to this girl that was writhing with a demon controlling her?

Richard:  I was led to pray in the Name of Jesus; the blood for Jesus I was saying things in relation to those… first of all you have good theological training you know that those are two important truths but they’ve never been practical.  They’ve always been theoretical and theological and right now I need what works.   Well, it does work and if you have time to think about it you may come up with it on your own but I was totally at a loss.  But the Holy Spirit said “There is power in My Name, rebuke it in My Name.”  And so I rebuked the spirit in the Name of Jesus and I couldn’t tell you the words that I said but it had to do with covering her in the blood of Jesus Christ and forgiveness that is in the blood of Jesus.  And that breaks the rights that the enemy has and now I do all the time and I understand it and no why it works and how it works. And then it was just I’m saying what I believe the Spirit of God is leading me to say.  I did feel prompted to pray in tongues and I knew that I was at a Baptist group and I’d never done anything in tongues publicly and I was like “Oh thanks a lot God.”

Sid: In addition to that you were shouting something; what were you shouting?

Richard:  When I finished the tongues I felt impressed to shout freedom in Jesus Name and that was one that I really had a hard time with.  Because I thought I must have been watching some TV evangelist I had to pick this up somewhere.

Sid: That’s not you is it? (Laughing)

Richard:  Naw, I had never done that before.

Sid: In a Baptist Church! (Laughing)

Richard: Yep, and so I did it in obedience to the Lord.  And then it was like I had understanding of the meaning of everything that I did and could explain why I did it.  But I knew that that understanding wasn’t coming from me; it was coming by the Spirit even that.

Sid: Even more important what was going on with this woman?

Richard: She got free; she actually immediately after I shouted freedom in Jesus Name she looked at me and put her head down like she was majorly embarrassed because all this happened in front of everybody.  Beautiful young woman she was the pastor’s daughter’s best friend.  And so I pulled her aside and she said “This is only happened before where the presence of God was and I go to a psychiatrist; I’m on medication for the voices but as soon as you walked in the room the voices went crazy.”

Sid: So in other words demons go crazy when the presence of God is maybe that’s why in a lot of churches the demons you don’t even know that people have demons.  I mean does that make sense? (Laughing)

Richard:  She said “I picked this church because I knew the power of God wasn’t here.”

Sid: That’s why she went there (Laughing) but she got apprehended by the Spirit of God.  Then from that point you started hearing God’s voice but did you know it was God’s voice?

Richard:  It wasn’t long; you know it was because I began to have people contact me and want ministry.  And I thought “You don’t want ministry from me, I don’t know what I’m doing.” And I tried to find someone else who would do it. And when I would minister to people God would show up; He would show me things, He would tell me things.  And it was always I felt like I’d leave floating off the ground because I would know stuff about people’s past; I would hear things by the Spirit.  And it helped me to grow in confidence; but that was the only place that I listened.

Sid: You know I happen to believe what you’re describing to me is normal and what most people experience is not normal.  I happen to believe the first believers in the Messiah they were all normal.  This was normal for them. How about someone that’s saying right now “Oh, Richard Mull he just has a special gift from God; I can’t do it.” What would you say to them?

Richard:  I’d teach them the most… I’d teach kids how to handle God’s voice when they hear God; Baptist youth groups.  I’ve taught them, every kid in the Youth Group hears God.  It isn’t rocket science I think it is supposed to be the norm.  In fact on that college retreat I called it Extreme Christianity and it was really a play on words.  I used a lot of videos from extreme sports.  But what we would call extreme was the norm.  “How many of you want to be a normal Christian.”  And every kid in the room stood up and I was shocked because I had painted a new picture.  And the funny thing is I had never cast one demon out; I had never experienced what I was looking at in the book of Acts.  But I was calling them to that type of Christian life.

Sid: Your heart when that was going on your heart had to be just beating; that first deliverance you were involved in.  You must have been scared out of your socks.

Richard:  I wanted to find the exit, yeah I was ready to leave because I was like “God not here; not now.”  That was exactly what I was asking for He was doing but it was also very inconvenient because He hadn’t taught me how to do it.  It was on the job training so it was interesting because for six months if I was leading worship somewhere someone would manifest demons.  If I was preaching somewhere someone would manifest demons.  It was like; it was like God said “You want me to disciple you, you want Me to teach you? I’m going to do it.”

Sid: Okay, our time is slipping away and this Bible is too important.  I want people to understand it.  Out of curiosity why did you pick the NET, the New English Translation for your Bible?

Richard:  The New English translation was one of the more accurate translations; it was Dallas Theological so we wanted to use one of the versions that was highly valued for its authenticity, so that’s part of why it was chosen.  The color coding goes back to first of all the words that God Himself spoke.  I grew up with the Red Letter Edition and the Words that Jesus spoke.  I began to trace every time that God spoke; I had no idea how much scriptures was God speaking first person.  So we colorize that purple to represent His majesty.  Then we got every angel dream, angel and vision colorized in blue because God speaks through messengers.  And then we have scripture colorized brown where God speaks through a human component and brings the message from God but through a human being.  And then we’ve got yellow for every miracle because action speaks louder than words.  And God has often speaking, he’s reveling himself through the miracles signs and wonders.  And finally green represents every time the scripture talks about God speaking about God’s voice.   So it could be as simple as the Lord said or the voice of the Lord is powerful.

Sid: But you know what I’ve released everything supernatural you have color coded in this Bible. So you’ll have a laminated bookmark which tells you what each color means and when you get to that you mediate on it and literally the Word is going to become flesh.  And everything you’re reading about you’re going to start doing but you also need instructions.