Sid Roth

Sid:   As a matter of fact, my prayer is that this week you will have what my guest and her dad calls stubborn faith. Because I don’t think there’s any other kind.  Let me repeat it stubborn faith.  My gust is Zona Hayes-Morrow daughter of Norvel Hayes.  I have to tell you Zona I just read you new book, and although I’ve understood faith teaching for almost as long as I’ve been a believer 40 some years; there is something that comes off the pages of your testimony.  You must drive the devil mashuga, mashuga is a Hebrew word it means crazy; I bet you really do.

Zona: That is exactly what my goal is every day of my life is when my feet hit the floor for the devil to be on alert that Zona is up. (Laughing)

Sid:   What I don’t understand is why… I mean the average person has faced death in some way or another in a lifetime, but why have you faced death 13 times?

Zona:  Well, I would say that the Lord knew; I would say in my past that the Lord knew that my dad was going to be a prominent one of God’s generals.  He knew the future; I didn’t know the future, my dad didn’t know the future.  But I believe and the Lord says in His word that the children will do greater works than the father and the devil knows that I’m not afraid of him.  I’ve been raised around all sorts of situation; nothing surprises me; I’ve seen limbs grow out; I’ve see people healed of cancer; I’ve seen demons manifest themselves, and people from homosexuals to demon possessed; to witchcraft to people that were having sex with the devil to nothing surprises me.  And the Lord knows and the devil knows that nothing makes me flinch.

Sid: Well, I have to tell you we are going to help so many people; I personally can tell you having read your brand new book “Get a Grip What to do at the End of Your Rope” that literally that stubborn faith jumped off the pages on me.  I needed that; I think everyone listening to us needs that.  And the thing that was so amazing to me and in addition to your new book we have a 3 CD set called “Overcoming Faith.”  You did this in the midst of a fight stating what you were believing God for.  Here’s the difference most people say believe and they give a little teaching but you go step by step of how you walked and how you got your victory. Very few people understand this and in other words it’s one thing to teach as a college professor; it’s another thing to teach by what you have lived; big difference.

Zona:  Oh yes, yes that’s exactly right, but I’ve been raised in a house that believing that can do anything.

Sid: But you know what you told me before you went on the air, which I’ve got to have you tell the people is… Now I remember that your father used to teach a lot on the deliverance ministry; and I had heard a story that your daughter lines up her dolls and when she was a baby and was casting demons out of the dolls.  Did she really do that?

Zona:    Oh yes, she would line up her Barbie dolls and she would lay her hands on them and she would be like it was the cutest little thing she would be like 3 or 4 years old and she would go “Come out.” (Laughing)

Sid:  (Laughing)

Zona:   But you know the Lord used my daughter Leigh when she was just a childlike 3 or 4 years old; my dad would bring her up to the altar. And one church in particular was in Jacksonville, Florida at Wally and Gina Thomason’s church and she would say “Papa that little girl needs for you to pray for her.”  Well, there was a little girl out there in the congregation; in the middle of the auditorium a little girl about 8 years old. And my dad went to where Leigh told him to go and he got the little girl in the aisle and she said “Her ear.”  And this was the Lord using my daughter in her early years and it was just a word of knowledge.  My dad started praying for her ear and the next night they brought what looked like a little piece of charcoal. That night the Lord operated on that little girl’s ear.  She had an eardrum that was dead and the Lord put a brand new eardrum in her ear and the old eardrum was on her pillow and they brought it to the service the next night.  So God he’s used my dad and now he’s using me and any greater works that I do that is what my daughter’s going to do. Do you see what I’m saying?

Sid: Well, that’s the way that it’s supposed to be but I have to tell you most PK’s, that’s known as Pastors kids.  They have their rebellion, but when they come back they come back with a vengeance and you’re no different than most PK’s.  Your dad was raise Baptist, your parents separated and then divorced; he raised you but he was running like 12 million dollar corporations at one time and running all over the country for Full Gospel Businessmen’s and other groups speaking in those early days.  And you were shuttled from Aunt to Aunt and as a matter of fact tell me that time that your dad would take you out to a bad area town where people needed food excreta and he would distribute food to the hungry. But you had a tough time with that; why?

Zona: Well, I always wanted to be accepted you know my mother left when I was 8 ½ and I never saw her again after I was 10. So I lived with my Aunts for a few years but then my dad would always come and get me and this was about 12 when I started going to Brother Little-field here in town-church and he was the one who fed the poor.  Well, then I got in high school and you know and dad drove the big Cadillac and I was known as the rich kid and it was embarrassing for me for him to go to the city dump in the big Cadillac and for me to sit in the car with and then get out in front of a poor person’s home and they’ll be children with dirty clothes on. One little baby she was so dirty her diaper stuck to her skin.  And they had no food and the little baby walked up to my dad and said “Mr. do you have any milk?” And the Lord spoke to him and said “What are you going to do about it?”  And then my dad said in disparity he said “I guess I’m going to go get milk.”  Thank exactly what I told you to do; I’ve called you to serve before you speak.”  If you can’t learn to be my servant then you’ll never last in ministry.  And so I went with him to the grocery store I was just embarrassed it was a time where a teenager wants to be cool at the school and they might see you at the city dump and they make fun.  It’s just society, society needs to have a revelation of what God’s love is.

Sid: You know as a teen you also had an interesting challenge and I can picture as a teen not being very happy over this you had 42 growths all over your body.  So what did you do you go to the doctor; you have them cutoff and then the growths they just grow right back up.  And after doing this a few times your father says “Enough is enough.” And he says “You’re not going back to the doctor” so you’re walking around with these 42 growths that had to be horrible for you.

Zona:  Oh it was horrible and the thing is the growth started out small and then when I’d get them cut off by the doctor they’d grow back and bring their cousins with them; I mean they’d bring more growths.  And so at the end when he decided that he was not going to take me back to the doctor there wound up being 42 growths on my body large growths,

Sid: But as a teenager that had to be very embarrassing to you.

Zona: Oh, very embarrassing, and so Brother Hagin had come into town…

Sid: By the way here’s what’s so neat some of these giants, these generals she was raised with them Kenneth Hagin; John Osteen, Lester Sumerall.  So Kenneth Hagin sees these growths and what does he say?

Zona:  Well, he had come into town that day and my dad wasn’t in from work and so Brother Hagen was visiting with a hairdresser and her husband that lived across the street from me and my dad and she did sister Hagin’s hair when she was in Cleveland.  And so when I walked in from school and he went “Hey Zona” I said “Hey Brother Hagen.”  He said “How are you doing?”  I said “I’m not doing too good.”  And he said “What do you mean you’re not” and he turned around in his chair and he said “What do you mean you’re not doing too good?”   I said “I got dad problems.”  And he said “What do you mean you got dad problems?”  I said “Well, you see these growths on my hands and my arms and my legs; I’ve been trying to get my dad to take me back to the doctor and have them cut off but he won’t do it.”  And then about that time my dad walks in; and of course they greet each other and hug each other because they were like brothers.  And he said “Narvel” he always called him Narvel.  And he said “I hear that Zona’s got dad problems.”  Well my dad cut his eyes over at me and I just looked at him and I just shrugged my shoulders.  And he said “What do you mean you’ve got dad problems Zona?” And I said “Well, I’ve been trying to get you to take me to the doctor to get these growth cut off.”  And I said “You won’t do it.”  He said “Brother Hagen,” and he said Narvel,” He said “Don’t worry about it I can curse those growths at the root and command them to disappear.”  And my dad to himself went “Well, I’ve been trying to believe God for 4 years and laddie tat-ta.”

Sid: [Laughing]

Zona:  That’s what my dad thought and he said “I’m going to ask brother Hagin what he does to do that, because he had that in his ministry where he’d curse growths and they would disappear.

Sid: I remember cancer couldn’t stand around him.

Zona: I…

Sid: Look we’re out of time right now.