Sid Roth

Sid:  This is a program that you didn’t know that is an answer to your prayer because I have Betsy and Chester Kylstra who were a mess and they’re open and transparent about it. You find out that you’re not the only one that’s a mess on planet earth that’s a spirit filled believer.  That you’re typical but God doesn’t want you to be a typical mess God wants you to fulfill your destiny.  So Chester Kylstra, tell me just a brief summary of what happens to people that take your courses?

Chester:  Yeah, well what the Lord showed us through his revelation of four ministry sources from which all of our problems come.  And those weren’t new in themselves to the body of Christ but the need to minister in an integrated way to all four.  And we refer to them sometimes as the four doors or the four legal grounds. It comes out of Genesis 4:7 and 8 when God says to Cain you know “Sin is crouching at your door and its desire is to have you or control you.”  And the implication was don’t let it, but of course Cain did.  So the first source of our problems we call it the context of our lives comes out of the 2^nd commandment where the iniquity of the fathers are visited or past on down to the children for 3 or 4 generations and so here we are.  We inherit what the 30 people ahead of us had passed down to us and so the ancestral sins is one of them. That sort of sets the…

Sid: You know my logical mind says we should not have to deal with all of those generation of people. I mean I can’t even go back more than a few generations in my life.

Chester: Right.   

Sid: There’s no way I’m going to know all of the generational sins that my ancestors dealt with.

Chester:  That’s right so that’s where the Holy Spirit comes in. We both observe what’s going on in our lives in our extended family but we also ask the Holy Spirit what are the roots.

Sid: You know you made a statement you say that God sees man in terms of families and generations, we don’t think in those terms.

Chester: That’s right that’s so obvious Sid as we read the scriptures and so anyway that’s the first open door sets us up. Then the third open door is we get wounded because of all our families are dysfunctional or we’re dysfunctional or our friends that we have.  Our hearts get wounded, we rejected we get abandoned and we get victimized on and on and on.  The list is quite long, but I’m trying to summarize so I’m not going to go through the whole list. Out of our hurt hearts then the fascinating thing the human brain has to make sense or understand what’s going on.  And so we try to figure out why are these things happening to me, and anytime we decide “Well, this is happening to me because” and that because is a lie out of the pit of hell then we’ve just come into agreement with the Kingdom of darkness.  And as I said about my lies I had believed by my dad dying and rejecting I thought I was rejected. Was that no one wants to be immediate important people in my life will leave me and abandon me. I’m all alone I have to take care of myself and on in that vein, a whole bunch of victim orphan type thinking lies. Unfortunately as I said every lie is an agreement with the kingdom of darkness to the father of lies.  So these three open doors of our wounded heart, our messed up thinking, which is by the way Paul says “We have to get our minds renewed” Romans 12:2.  They just set up the fourth door which is demonic depression, where we give legal access for the demons to come after us. God showed us we need to deal with all four of these areas in a very interrelated integrated way if we really want deep and lasting healing.  And we are seeing that over and over and we’ve seen it for over 20 years.

Sid: Okay there is something that is literally epidemic in our society. The institution of marriage it’s like in another few years if things keep going the way they are it won’t even exist. Even in Christian families I’m amazed that the number of divorces there are and they don’t want it, but it’s like because they know what the Bible says about divorce. It’s happening and then the wounding that happened to the children of a divorce.  Have you been able to help people that are on the verge of divorce?

Chester:  Oh yes it’s so much fun to help them.

Betsy:  We have a lot of times a couple have to us and they’ll just say “This is our last step before the divorce court.”  So they’ve been helped by the books and the materials and then that gives them hope that they actually come and have somebody lead them through a prayer time that maybe their marriage can be saved.  But a particular story I’d like to share with you is of a little girl who was 8 years old and her decided her mother had read the materials and listened to the CDs and her mother decided to bring this child because the little girl was saying “Mommy I just don’t want to live anymore, mommy I don’t have any desire to live.”  And what had happened to this little girl as she had been totally traumatized by the fighting that her parents had done screaming at each other, hitting each other before they actually got the divorce.  And the little girl would run into her closet and close the door, put her clothes over her head so she didn’t have to hear the screaming and fighting. Then when her parents got divorced somehow she felt it was her fault.  If she had just been a better little girl this wouldn’t of happened and so she was carrying all of this pain and guilt.  So when she came for…

Sid:  So she was dealing with shame too, she thought she was responsible for her parents’ divorce.

Chester: What was the matter with me?

Betsy:  Yeah. She was dealing with the whole shame and fear and she was traumatized by the parents fighting.  And so when the Lord came to meet her she saw herself in the closet which had been her hiding place, where she had listened to her parents fighting. And Jesus came as a very bright light at first that’s what she saw. And then she saw Him come and she leaned against His chest and she just began to give Him all her pain and her guilt and her sadness and her 8 year old words for trauma.  The Lord just took it, took all of that out of her heart and she began to live again and she told her mom I want to live again. That was the beginning of her healing journey.

Sid: You know it’s just overwhelming to me Betsy and Chester the problems every human on this earth has it’s got to be the most rewarding thing in the world because God not only set the two of you free but he’s given you keys to set other people free.  And over the years you’ve streamlined these keys tell me about the history of Biblical healing and deliverance.

Chester:  Well, its original form “Restoring the Foundations” which we call our larger book was written back in ’94 we’d been teaching for several years now. We were ministering to this large ministry on the Gulf Coast of Florida.  They’d invited us in for a year or two to minister to all of their leadership and they like what happened so much they asked if they could host a conference and have us lead it. And that was our first conference Sid and it was amazing.  We thought did anybody really want to come, we weren’t totally free of shame yet at that point. (Laughing) We had over 250 people come, but we wanted to have a take away and so we wrote the first version of the book and showed how these four areas are there and how they interrelate and how to get free of them.  And it was just wonderful conference and people are very grateful and then in the next couple of years we finished the book and got it into a good form.  Then a publisher liked it but said “This big books too big can you reduce its size so we can take it into the bookstore.” And that’s where Biblical Healing and Ministry…

Sid: Well, well it’s so simple and because of what you’ve learned over all of these years how many years have you been practicing this?

Chester:  Well, we’re well over 25 years now although we like to time it from our first official going into a church and ministry to leadership and raising up ministry teams and we call that when they paid us to do it. That was when we were officially in the ministry Sid and so that’s been from ’90.

Sid: Okay people are still bound up after being Christians for so many years and that’s why you have your 3 CD series “True Identity” which deals with shame, fear and control so they don’t have to be bound up.  The book we’ve been talking about “Biblical Healing and Deliverance” and the prayer card which has these four integrated prayers which I mean you’ve made it so simple, I mean you guys have come a long way Betsy and Chester.  But I’ll tell you what I think the problems are so compounded with Christians today more than any generation that has ever lived.