Sid Roth

Sid: My guest is red hot for the Messiah, he’s been a frequent guest on Messianic Vision. His name is Dr. Robert Heidler and he is the Senior Pastor of Glory of Zion Outreach Center in Denton, Texas. He holds a Master’s Degree from Dallas Theological Seminary. He’s had quite a journey in understanding the deliverance ministry, but something happened to him 5 years ago that transformed his thinking; he’s put it in a book and for the first time we can make available to whoever desires a self-deliverance manual that is so quick, so precise, so anointed, so simple that anyone can be set free and help others be set free. As I asked you before went on the air Robert, tell me what happened to you 5 years ago when you’re literally a new mantle of thinking hit you, explain.

Robert: Well I said up until that time when I thought of deliverance I thought of a 5 hour session with the person rolling around on the floor; it really didn’t produce much in the way of results. I was asked to be on a ministry team at a conference, this was a conference of about 2,000 people and they wanted to have individual deliverance sessions for anybody that wanted it. So they said we’ll put you in a room and you’ll have 15 minutes with each person to pray deliverance for them. When I heard that I thought “That is crazy. How can you do deliverance in 15 minutes?” We prayed and we went in there, my wife and I were partnering on the team. What we saw was God began to show us how to deal specifically with the issues, and we literally saw person after person set free in 15 minutes. We came back and did the same thing at a conference in our church and that’s where our deliverance ministry began because people began to come from all over the state because they heard “You can go there and get delivered.” It’s not painful, it’s not messy, and it lasts, it works.

Sid: I like that. I’m just going through your book as you’re speaking and you have a lot of these exercises to spot these hidden things. One has to do with ancestral sins, explain that.

Robert: Well Sid there are things that have happened in our ancestry things that have happened even before we were born that can give demonic powers a right to bring affliction into our lives. Once we see what those things are and deal with those, it cuts off the enemy’s attack.

Sid: Yeah but if it’s an ancestor you don’t know what their problems were.

Robert: Well God can show you; usually it’s something you are aware of. God can really show what the things are. We do a lot of that in deliverance, and it’s usually something the person is aware of in their ancestry. In a few cases it wasn’t and God just began to reveal it prophetically. In Daniel chapter 9, Daniel prayed, and he confessed, and repented of the sins of his ancestors. The result was that his people were set free from the bondage.

Sid: Give an example on page 93 of your book you have “Repenting of Ancestral Sins” and you list a number of them. What does someone do with this?

Robert: Well take anti-Semitism, if a person knows there’s anti-Semitism in their background that brings a curse that lasts generationally. It’s a curse that can be passed on from one generation to the next, and you see the results of a curse in your life and yet you look at your life and you don’t really see what you’ve done to bring that curse about. Once you see that there are things from your ancestry that can produce a curse you can go back and say “Well you know this was in my family line.” There’s a very simple prayer that takes you through to confess that, to renounce that, to take authority over the things that resulted from that. The result is the curse is broken.

Sid: Now as I said I’m looking at page 93 where you talk about “Repenting of Ancestral Sins” and you list them alphabetically. You say pray through the list confessing and renouncing the sins. Maybe I’ll read some of these.

Robert: Okay.

Sid: Abortion, adultery, argumentative, bitterness, bragging, fighting, coveting, critical, cruel, cursing, dishonesty, drunkenness, drug abuse, envy, I’m just jumping around here you have so many. Homosexuality, impurity, but what about… there seems to be such an addiction, if you will, to pornography with the advent of the internet. Could this be demonic?

Robert: Oh definitely, definitely.

Sid: Is there… and I’m sure you had a lot of experience along this line, but is there one person that comes to mind that was set free from that?

Robert: There was a very young man who was thoroughly addicted to pornography and it just controlled his life. He really wanted to serve the Lord, he was a… he wanted to follow the Lord, but this thing just controlled him and he could not stop, and he could not get free of it. We took him through some steps in deliverance and really in about 45 minutes he was set free. He did not have that problem again.

Sid: Now something that I mentioned to you, you have a definition of the word “deliverance” at the start of your book, and I like it. One of the definitions is it means to “rescue” explain.

Robert: When you’re in need of deliverance it means you’re being oppressed, you’re being harassed by the enemy. The good news is Jesus came to set the captives free; He came to be our Savior, to be our deliverer. To rescue means to be set free from the oppression and the bondage of the enemy. That is one of the main purposes that Jesus had in coming, He wanted to rescue us from everything the enemy tried to do in our lives.

Sid: Give me just briefly what are the practical steps of deliverance.

Robert: The first step is Sid is to realize God has… when we were saved God gave us protection. God put His robe of righteousness around us; He gave us the breastplate of righteousness to protect us. So it’s not God’s intention that we should live under the oppression of the enemy, but because a lot of Christians have not been taught about Satan and about how he works; as we go through life we do things that open us up to satanic oppression. So when we realize that we see what are the things that open the door for this person to be oppressed and how can we close the door. It’s usually something very very easy, something simple to do. We have seen people that have had problems… there was young woman recently she had had nightmares every night of her life from the time she was about 4 years old because of some things that had happened to her. She dreaded going to sleep, and we met with her for about an hour and a half, and that night for the first night that she could remember she did not have a nightmare.

Sid: Tell me just some practical steps as you outline in your book that someone can do in a self-deliverance.

Robert: Well we go through first of all explaining who the devil and how he gains access. Then most of the chapters are taking us through very specific access points that most people have for the enemy; strongholds in the mind, strongholds in the heart, authority issues, forgiveness, and we just… going through a process of closing every door that may have been open to the enemy. Then at the end it talks about our authority and how we can take up authority and command those spirits to leave. If we’ve deal with our access they leave instantaneously.

Sid: You know it just sounds too easy, shouldn’t it be more… I mean they have all these books that are so complex.

Robert: Well you know it’s not supposed to be hard, it’s not supposed to be a difficult thing because it’s the heart of Jesus for His people. It was interesting Sid when I studied the feasts, the biblical feasts, that a number of these deliverance issues are dealt with in the feasts. If you… if a person is going through the feasts and as with real understanding of their purpose, they just stay free from the enemy. That’s how… that’s what God wanted, He wanted us to be free from the enemy. He wanted us to walk in the truth that would set us free so that we don’t have to live with the oppression of the enemy.

Sid: In your book you talk about the Passover is a picture of the removal of these doors, if you will for the enemy, explain.

Robert: Oh yes, well Passover it’s a picture and a celebration of deliverance. You know Derek Prince used to say “The strongest confession for deliverance you can make is ‘I am redeemed by the blood of the Lamb, out of the hand of the enemy.’” That’s what Passover is all about, it is being delivered by the blood of the Lamb. Part of the Passover celebration is people went through the Feast of Unleavened Bread was to search out your house and to see anything that was impure and remove it. That’s one of the main steps in deliverance; you search out to see what is impure, you remove it, and that breaks the power of the enemy.

Sid: Once that is broken because we’re in between Pesach, Passover and Shavuot, Pentecost right now then we can really have the joy of Pentecost.

Robert: Exactly.