Our Guests Tom Horn & Cris Putnam
Sid: My guest Cris Putnam coauthor of the bestselling book “Petrus Romanus” the last Pope. Cris on this Friday broadcast I want you to use what you know from having studied the documents in the Catholic Church and interviewing many people in the Catholic hierarchy what you know about scripture, and of course you are theologian, in your sanctified imagination paint me a picture of what we can expect from the last Pope.
Cris: Well, Sid what I’ve uncovered is some particularly disturbing theological constructs that have been adopted within Roman Catholicism. It really goes back to the work of a Jesuit named Pierre Teilhard de Chardin. Chardin was a paleontologist that operated… he really discovered evidence for evolution and Darwinism in the early 20th century. During his time he was widely considered a heretic in Catholic circles. Now why do people think that Pope Benedict the 16th he gets described as a conservative in the media and that’s because of his stances on things like abortion and same sex marriage. And yes he takes conservative stances on those sorts of issues that I found some really startling statements that he’s really adopted Chardin’s concept of evolution. Chardin kind of pioneered this really mystical system of Darwinism and you know the whole idea of aliens and beliefs in extraterrestrials living on other planets this whole idea of astrobiology it’s really phenomenally founded on a world view that says that life is really not special that it just sort of evolves when the conditions are right. If you have water and a planet a certain distance from its star with the temperatures are helpful then life will just kind of pop into being. And because of this they postulate that there’s millions of planets out there, there’s really no reason to assume that the earth is special so we should think that life has to appear all over the place. And this is the world view that drives modern astronomy and astrobiology; the modern Jesuits have widely accepted this world view and these tenets of the earth being a mediocre planet amongst many. Now given these world view issues it’s kind of astounding that when I hear people saying that Pope Benedict is you know conservative because he wholeheartedly endorsed this Darwinistic worldview where man is just an evolved prime-mate and you know that extraterrestrials are inevitable culinary to that worldview. Now with that in mind a lot of things that they write start to come into focus; some of their retrospective theologians Giuseppe Tanzella Nitti who is a member of Opus Dei, and a professor of theology at the University of Holy Cross at Rome. Has actually written quite a bit on what they call exo-theology. Now he’s talking about unexpected information of a religious character from extraterrestrial civilizations. Now what he recommends is that we have to submit this new religious contact coming outside of the earth to analysis of reasonableness. And once that trustworthiness of this information has been verified then we should try to reconcile the new information with the truth that we already know or believe on the basis of revelation of One True God. Conducting, this is his words, “A rereading inclusive of the new data similar to that of that would be applied in ordinary religious dialogue.” So he’s saying that we should reread the revelation that we’ve been given in light of this new data from extraterrestrials. Now this is their own writings and so it seems like they are anticipating this and have laid the foundation for it. Now the thing that I find deeply troubling about that is that you know that the track record of them rereading revelation and inter-religious dialogue is already pretty dismal.
Sid: So when you’re saying rereading are you saying reinterpreting it and totally changing the gospel. Is that what you’re implying?
Cris: Yeah I think that that is the danger, I think that is what we are looking at and you know the thesis that Tom Horn and I are advocating is that we don’t believe in extraterrestrials. I mean just to be really honest the Bible doesn’t say one way or the other, BUT it doesn’t give me the impression…you know the Bible has a Philosophy of history you know it tells us that God has a plan for the earth and that the earth is central in His plan. It tells us that angels long to look into these things. You know the earth and humanity are a central focus of what we read in scripture.
Sid: Okay if you don’t believe in extraterrestrials what do you believe in? Do you believe that there will be demons that will pose in that position; is that what you believe?
Cris: That’s absolutely what my thesis is because I don’t see anything in scripture about advanced-extraterrestrials coming down here to help us evolve which is the message that we get from the people that claim to have contact with these things. But I do see a lot in scripture about a strong delusion a…
Sid: Okay paint me a picture of what this strong delusion could look like in the next few minutes.
Cris: Well, it could happen in several ways, it could be as obvious as a huge UFO appearing over a major city and you know these beings communicating to us that they’re here to save us, that they are the creators. I mean this idea of panspermia that life on earth originated from space is actually very popular within scientific circles. It could be something as subtle as that it doesn’t have to be a huge UFO over the cities I mean that’s what we expect from the movies. But it could something as subtle as scientific evidence saying that we were created off earth, or that aliens seeded life on earth; it could be something as subtle as that. I suspect that it will be somewhere in the middle I kind of think that we will see some sort of entity claiming to be an extraterrestrial; now that’s my speculation. And I think part of that message would be something along the lines of panspermia, and panspermia is the idea that life on earth was seeded from space.
Sid: You know everything that you’re saying to me leads me to one specific scripture which I’ve stated before as I’ve interviewed you and your coauthor and that is 2nd Thessalonians chapter 2 verse 11. “And for this reason God will send them strong delusion that they should believe the lie.” If they’re not going to believe the truth God says “We’re going to believe the lie.” Everything you tell me has that scripture just shouting at me. What do you think about that?
Cris: Yeah, I think that that scripture has a lot of explanatory script. I think about the way people have been led away from believing in God as creator that you know that this disillusion is going to be clothed in the language of science. And the sort of thing that people with this naturalistic scientific world view are prime to accept in something like this, something like an extraterrestrial; because it seems to have scientific creditability.
Sid: And another ear mark of the last days is men’s… men are going to be so fearful on what’s coming on the earth. This all ties in with all the documentation you have accumulated.
Cris: Yeah, you know when Jesus used that language you know of what is coming of the earth, that seems to be implying something that is seen an extraterrestrial or something not of this earth for it not to come on the earth it must originate from somewhere else.
