Sid: My guest is red hot for the Messiah, and by the time you read her book, or listen to her, I believe you’re gonna get infected. Your faith is going to zoom; your understanding of the power and the authority that God has given. You may be facing an impossible situation, if you’re not blink your eyes a few times and you will. Welcome to the human race, but we have a victory. My guests Clarice and Ronnie Holden, I’m speaking to them by way of telephone at their home in Shallotte, North Carolina. Ronnie was on top of the world, if you will. He had been a drug addict, an alcoholic, almost lost everything. Had a visitation from Jesus, set completely free of drugs, completely free of alcohol, red hot for Jesus; his business, everything he touched was prospering, and then on May 8, 2000 a drunk driver hit him. He had got catapulted out of his car, his body was broken, but the worst part was what was going on internally. They didn’t even know it, but peritonitis had set in, he had massive infections, his vital organs were literally rotting on the inside and the doctors didn’t even understand it. So they did an emergency operation and they came back and they told his wife “Clarice he has 3 hours to live.” She would not accept; she did not know what to do; she prayed and God showed her step by step what she had to do to save his life. On yesterday’s broadcast Clarice I said “There had to be some points because you’re human that it seemed hopeless.” Tell me about the worst point.

Clarice: Well it was a morning, early like 3:00 in the morning, and I had just fought so many fights that day. There was so many Code Blues, and after a while it just wore you down, because I never left the hospital. The enemy just come at me so strongly and said “You’ve got plan your husband’s funeral.” I said “No! No! No!” and I went in the restrooms and I started beating on the walls so loud and screaming so loud till I got it down in my spirit that I had to fight. I said “If someone had heard me they would have thought I was crazy.” But you know what, I had to do that, I had to get it out of my system because I was not gonna accept what he was trying to speak whispers into my ear, “That my husband was not gonna make it,” because I knew he would, and he did. I got victory that night, and I came out there was another battle that I had never ever doubted again. We again kept going through different things; the infectious disease doctors were called in because he did have a major infection through his body. The different doctors started asking me to pray, and they were telling me; they even had us praying for people in the Intensive Care because they needed help. It was such a time that our faith was built up that we believed, we just knew that he was gonna be fine. Here Ronnie is, we had him plugged up to healing scriptures, he’s in a coma, but people if your loved one’s in a coma think faith. I spoke faith, I wouldn’t let nobody come in there that did not believe the way I believed. I said “Do not be crying and wringing your hands. He is a healed man, he is healed.”

Sid: But there was a point though where you and your prayer partner Sandy were literally exhausted. You were standing in the hallway and you started hearing someone singing. Tell me about that.

Clarice: Yes, we actually started singing Sid. We were singing “He is the God That Healeth Thee.” This was our scripture. We sung the word of God, the truth to him, and over it. There was something going on in there and we knew it. It was Sandy and myself, my nephew. There was this lady, she was this cleaning lady, and as we were singing she was coming up and down the hallway just mopping and singing. We would sing “He is the God That Healeth Thee,” and she said “Amen, praise God thank you Jesus, thank you Jesus” is what she’d say. It was really strange because the elevator was right there. Well the elevator would come up and open up, and nobody come out, this is 3:00 in the morning. Nobody would come out, and it would go down, and it would come up, and nobody would be coming out. It was an eerie time, but we just felt the presence of God. That lady was such a precious lady. The next morning I asked them “I just wanted to know that lady’s name, to thank her.” I said “When is she coming back on,” and I explained, and they said “Mam there is nobody that works here like that.” I said “Yes there is” and I explained it to them. They said “No mam not anybody here that looks like that.”

Sid: What type of feeling did you have when she was “Amening” and she was there, and the elevator was opening and closing by itself? What was going on in your spirit.

Clarice: It was jumping. My spirit was jumping up and down because your you know how your faith when it starts…

Sid: Are you telling me that was an angel?

Clarice: Sid I don’t know if she was an angel or not, but I felt the presence of God, and I have never been able to find this lady.

Sid: Now your husband, from what I understand started getting better.

Clarice: He did.

Sid: You know what, would you put Ronnie on right now

Clarice: I sure will.

Sid: because he’s in a coma for 21 days and his wife and her prayer partner are praying for all there worth. The doctors are saying “He’s starting to get better,” but you were having your own experiences Ronnie with angels. Tell me about that.

Ronnie: Well it was very strange, I never knew I had been in a wreck I was unconscious. I could see my room, and remember I had this huge hospital room and I had a picture window from ceiling to the floor. My bed was jacked up and I could see out the window overlooking the harbor. I remember thinking the last time I was at this hospital it was 3 miles from the river, they must be having more business they’ve built more since I’ve been here. I would lay there and watch the boats in the harbor and these people would come into the room, mostly 2, sometime it would be 3 people come into the room. They just sat around and read the paper they looked like ordinary people that just sat with me, but I didn’t know who they were. One day I just heard His word spoken to me saying “I sent My angels to watch over you.” I remember since then I had just relief that I knew I was going to be okay. They looked just like regular people; they stayed with me all day, and at first it seemed like they started leaving at night. Then they would come and take me down to the harbor. We would leave the hospital at 5:00, and they’d take me down to the dock. They had like a 100ft. schooner tied up there. I grew up around boats love boats. I just felt like something God sent to comfort me. They took me on the schooner at night, and I had this stateroom it had teak and mahogany it was just polished it would just shine. I would look outside the window and see the moonlight and see the water outside. I hadn’t had anything to eat or drink in about 30 days. I reckon I was craving to eat even though I was unconscious, but they had bowls of fruit, and I remember the fruit tasted so good it just run down my mouth it felt like. They had the ice water, and then I was standing out on the boat. The next morning they said “We have to go back to the hospital,” and we went back to the room and they stayed with me in the room, and they were there constantly.

Sid: Now you were in a situation… Would you put Clarice back on? Ronnie was in a situation where remember he was given 3 hours to live. So he’s in a coma for 21 days, ever since that cleaning woman showed up he started getting better. He’s having visitations from angels. Now Clarice you didn’t know all this was going on with the angels did you?

Clarice: No I didn’t.

Sid: So what happened at the end of the 21 days that he was in a coma?

Clarice: Well right before he came out of the coma that… Like I said it got worse again. That particular night I just walked in there, they were working on him again. Sid I just fell to my knees in the middle of that Intensive Care room, this big circle, and I tell you that I just cried out to God and you know what, I did not care that there were a lot of people in there. That’s what makes the difference, God knew my heart. I didn’t care I was after one thing getting my husband healed. That time, Ronnie, he was kind of bad and I went in I started talking to him and I said “Ronnie you have got to fight” because he was kind of failing again, it was kind of going downhill. I was screaming at him “I’ve done everything I can do you have got to fight!” I want him to tell you what happened to him that night.

Sid: Okay Ronnie what happened that night?

Ronnie: One night, I don’t remember when it was. The angels were in the room and this big man came through the door. He looked like he was 7 foot tall, dark skinned he looked Italian;he had like an Armani suit on really dressed. I had a very uneasy feeling when he came in I just felt an uneasiness. He went over and just leaned against the wall and just looked at me. I heard them talking about the angel of death, and he stood there and he started towards the bed, and the angels got up and stood between he and the bed where I was laying on. They started talking to him, and he glanced and he finally went back out the door. I remember such a relief when he left.

Sid: Our time is up.

Sid: The truth is that is the only normal way to function. Some of you are abnormal it’s time for you to be normal. I’ve got a normal believer on the telephone; her name is Clarice Holden. On May 8, 2000 her husband was hit by a drunk driver, he catapulted out of his car; his car rolled over a number of times. What was wrong with him initially Clarice?

Clarice: Well his neck was broken in 2 places Sid. His leg was broken in 15 places. His spleen was torn, his liver, and his kidney, and his pelvis was crushed. It was kind of bad there, but they were all things that they thought would heal.

Sid: But he reached a point where he wasn’t healing. You knew there was something wrong; the doctors didn’t have a clue; you insisted on them doing one more test. They did, and they said “This is an emergency situation. We’ve got to operate to save his life.” They operated then what did they tell you?

Clarice: They come in and the doctor looked at me and said “Miss Holden we’ve done all we can do. I’m sorry he will not make it through the night. It’ll be 3 hours maybe.” I looked at him, and you know I have never had my back against the wall like that Sid. It kind of takes your breath away when somebody tells you something like that. He said “You need to go home and prepare yourself.” I…

Sid: Three hours isn’t much time.

Clarice: No it isn’t. He said “I’m sorry to say that when we did the surgery that his insides came out, and I cannot close him back up.” It had been seeping all week in his system that he was swollen real bad, and whenever they did the incision everything came out. He says “He is in intensive care; he is on life support for the time being, but I’m sorry but he is not going to make it. There is nothing we can do, we’ve done everything.” I said “You know Dr.…” Maxwell was his name. I said “You don’t know me, and I don’t know you, but I believe God will give you the wisdom. I will pray and I will believe, and I’ll know God will show you what to do. He is not going to die, but I need you to agree with me.” He said “Miss Holden I cannot get in agreement with you.” So he walks out and I go in and my pastor and his wife, and my brother-in-law, and sister-in-law was there. My pastor said to me “Do you need to be alone?” I said “Yes I do.” I went to the chapel and I started praying, and an hour later I guess had went by. I found myself laying on that floor just crying out to God to save my husband. I got up and I started out of that chapel and I ran into that doctor, the surgeon, Dr. Maxwell. I walked up to him and I said “Dr. Maxwell please get into agreement with me. I know that God will give you the wisdom to heal Ronnie,” and he says “Miss Holden I will.” From that I told him I needed several things from him. First I needed to know what it was going to take for him to get through that night, and he said “Okay I will tell you,” and he gave me instructions. Ronnie had a colostomy, but his fever was raging and his kidneys were shutting down.

Sid: Well basically all of his organs were rotting.

Clarice: Absolutely. So I went back and I never heard anybody do what I did. I didn’t have a hand bit for this, but I walked into the intensive care waiting room there and I told all our family; I said “God is going to heal him I know it in my heart…”

Sid: Did you have an audible voice, did you have a vision, or it’s just a knowing?

Clarice: It was just a knowing Sid. Everything I’ve ever got from God I had to do it by faith. Ronnie has visions, and I have to walk the line (laughing). I’ve laughed at him, but he always says “God gives each one of us what we need.” But this time I just knew in my heart, and I felt it and I was not gonna give up. I walked back and I said “I’m gonna tell you, God’s going to heal him, but I don’t want anybody walking out of this room ringing your hands crying were gonna pray and were gonna believe God, and were gonna be in one agreement. We are not going to say ‘Poor Ronnie,’ and nobody is gonna see him unless they believe the way I believe.”

Sid: Clarice how did you know how to give these, one after another, directives?

Clarice: I do not know, I never heard anybody do this. God had to give it to me, but the Holy Spirit really ministered to me and I wasn’t even aware of it. He was speaking through me, and my family looked at me, they knew that was not me, and they said “They would.” I said to the doctor I said “I want complete access to him 24 hours a day. I will never be in your way, but I need to be able to see him, and to pray.” I said “I need to know when you have all these doctors get together; I need to be able to hear what they’re saying, they need to know my name and I need to know their name. I want to be in on the meetings,” and they said “That’s fine.” I’ve never heard of this before Sid. I wanted to know so I would know how to pray, and I prayed specifically. I didn’t pray God just heal him, I prayed specifically. When we got through that first night I said “Lord I know and I know that you’re gonna do this.”

Sid: Well just out of curiosity,  since they said that he’d only live 3 hours, and you got by the first night. Did Doctor Maxwell or any of the other staff comment?

Clarice: Well he’d never seen anybody quite like me before.

Sid: (Laughing)

Clarice: Quite frankly, I had never seen anybody quite like me. He was kind of surprised. He said “Well, you know, he made it through the night.” I said “Yes he did and he’s gonna make it through tomorrow too.” He was having crises all the time; we were in a constant fight it was not an easy fight. He got through the first night, but the next day something else happened. He was having breakdown of different organs, so we would have to pray for that, and we would get over that hurtle. The whole church was surrounding us. Our pastors, the whole congregation, our praise team were supporting us and they were praying and believing for a miracle. One miracle after the other it was several miracles a day Sid.

Sid: Now did a lot of people on the staff at that hospital know what was going on?

Clarice:We were the spectacle; I’ll tell you I’ll be honest. They didn’t know what to expect out of me, and a lot of times Sid I would walk in the Intensive Care Unit where Ronnie was, and I could just stand there they’d be working on Ronnie. You know there were several times I just walked in and I couldn’t get in there was so many doctors, and technicians, and nurses taking care of him. I mean he was hooked up to so many machines; he had 24 tubes coming into him. His abdomen was wide open for 12 days, and they just had a mesh over him. It was unbelievable he had this huge halo on, but I didn’t see Ronnie as he was laying there, I saw him as a well man; I saw him as what he is today. I didn’t look at what was there; I called things as though as they are today, not as they were that day.

Sid: Clarice you said you didn’t have a manual. I think you have one now. I think this book were making available called “Fighting Death and Other Desperate Battles” is a manual that I’d imagine would have helped a lot if you had this.

Clarice: I tell you it would have, but everything was happening so fast. I mean Ronnie was crashing, he was having a lot of problems. We were having to pray and intercede 24 hours a day. I never left the hospital for 52 days. From the day he came till the day he left I left with him.

Sid: But there must have been many times, because no matter how strong you were, you were pretty strong there, very strong there beyond normal. No I take it back, you were normal. (Laughing) There must have been moments where you said “Am I going crazy, or he’s not going to live.”

Clarice: There was one time, and my friend Sandy she is our church secretary, she and my other friend Barbara Campbell were with me 24 hours a day. I had an interceder with me, they interceded day and night. A prayer warrior that we were fighting for Ronnie’s life no matter what came up, but there was one morning about 3:00, we had fought and fought. They had one Code Blue after the other, and you know I was like “Lord you’ve gotta help me.” I went to the restroom there and the enemy come at me. He said “You’ve got to plan your husband’s funeral.” Oh I just knew and I just started hitting the walls with my fists so loud that I was screaming that I had to get that into my spirit that I had to get what he was saying to me out, and to get what…

Sid: Were out of time.

Sid: The truth is that is the only normal way to function. Some of you are abnormal it’s time for you to be normal. I’ve got a normal believer on the telephone; her name is Clarice Holden. On May 8, 2000 her husband was hit by a drunk driver, he catapulted out of his car; his car rolled over a number of times. What was wrong with him initially Clarice?

Clarice: Well his neck was broken in 2 places Sid. His leg was broken in 15 places. His spleen was torn, his liver, and his kidney, and his pelvis was crushed. It was kind of bad there, but they were all things that they thought would heal.

Sid: But he reached a point where he wasn’t healing. You knew there was something wrong; the doctors didn’t have a clue; you insisted on them doing one more test. They did, and they said “This is an emergency situation. We’ve got to operate to save his life.” They operated then what did they tell you?

Clarice: They come in and the doctor looked at me and said “Miss Holden we’ve done all we can do. I’m sorry he will not make it through the night. It’ll be 3 hours maybe.” I looked at him, and you know I have never had my back against the wall like that Sid. It kind of takes your breath away when somebody tells you something like that. He said “You need to go home and prepare yourself.” I…

Sid: Three hours isn’t much time.

Clarice: No it isn’t. He said “I’m sorry to say that when we did the surgery that his insides came out, and I cannot close him back up.” It had been seeping all week in his system that he was swollen real bad, and whenever they did the incision everything came out. He says “He is in intensive care; he is on life support for the time being, but I’m sorry but he is not going to make it. There is nothing we can do, we’ve done everything.” I said “You know Dr.…” Maxwell was his name. I said “You don’t know me, and I don’t know you, but I believe God will give you the wisdom. I will pray and I will believe, and I’ll know God will show you what to do. He is not going to die, but I need you to agree with me.” He said “Miss Holden I cannot get in agreement with you.” So he walks out and I go in and my pastor and his wife, and my brother-in-law, and sister-in-law was there. My pastor said to me “Do you need to be alone?” I said “Yes I do.” I went to the chapel and I started praying, and an hour later I guess had went by. I found myself laying on that floor just crying out to God to save my husband. I got up and I started out of that chapel and I ran into that doctor, the surgeon, Dr. Maxwell. I walked up to him and I said “Dr. Maxwell please get into agreement with me. I know that God will give you the wisdom to heal Ronnie,” and he says “Miss Holden I will.” From that I told him I needed several things from him. First I needed to know what it was going to take for him to get through that night, and he said “Okay I will tell you,” and he gave me instructions. Ronnie had a colostomy, but his fever was raging and his kidneys were shutting down.

Sid: Well basically all of his organs were rotting.

Clarice: Absolutely. So I went back and I never heard anybody do what I did. I didn’t have a hand bit for this, but I walked into the intensive care waiting room there and I told all our family; I said “God is going to heal him I know it in my heart…”

Sid: Did you have an audible voice, did you have a vision, or it’s just a knowing?

Clarice: It was just a knowing Sid. Everything I’ve ever got from God I had to do it by faith. Ronnie has visions, and I have to walk the line (laughing). I’ve laughed at him, but he always says “God gives each one of us what we need.” But this time I just knew in my heart, and I felt it and I was not gonna give up. I walked back and I said “I’m gonna tell you, God’s going to heal him, but I don’t want anybody walking out of this room ringing your hands crying were gonna pray and were gonna believe God, and were gonna be in one agreement. We are not going to say ‘Poor Ronnie,’ and nobody is gonna see him unless they believe the way I believe.”

Sid: Clarice how did you know how to give these, one after another, directives?

Clarice: I do not know, I never heard anybody do this. God had to give it to me, but the Holy Spirit really ministered to me and I wasn’t even aware of it. He was speaking through me, and my family looked at me, they knew that was not me, and they said “They would.” I said to the doctor I said “I want complete access to him 24 hours a day. I will never be in your way, but I need to be able to see him, and to pray.” I said “I need to know when you have all these doctors get together; I need to be able to hear what they’re saying, they need to know my name and I need to know their name. I want to be in on the meetings,” and they said “That’s fine.” I’ve never heard of this before Sid. I wanted to know so I would know how to pray, and I prayed specifically. I didn’t pray God just heal him, I prayed specifically. When we got through that first night I said “Lord I know and I know that you’re gonna do this.”

Sid: Well just out of curiosity,  since they said that he’d only live 3 hours, and you got by the first night. Did Doctor Maxwell or any of the other staff comment?

Clarice: Well he’d never seen anybody quite like me before.

Sid: (Laughing)

Clarice: Quite frankly, I had never seen anybody quite like me. He was kind of surprised. He said “Well, you know, he made it through the night.” I said “Yes he did and he’s gonna make it through tomorrow too.” He was having crises all the time; we were in a constant fight it was not an easy fight. He got through the first night, but the next day something else happened. He was having breakdown of different organs, so we would have to pray for that, and we would get over that hurtle. The whole church was surrounding us. Our pastors, the whole congregation, our praise team were supporting us and they were praying and believing for a miracle. One miracle after the other it was several miracles a day Sid.

Sid: Now did a lot of people on the staff at that hospital know what was going on?

Clarice:We were the spectacle; I’ll tell you I’ll be honest. They didn’t know what to expect out of me, and a lot of times Sid I would walk in the Intensive Care Unit where Ronnie was, and I could just stand there they’d be working on Ronnie. You know there were several times I just walked in and I couldn’t get in there was so many doctors, and technicians, and nurses taking care of him. I mean he was hooked up to so many machines; he had 24 tubes coming into him. His abdomen was wide open for 12 days, and they just had a mesh over him. It was unbelievable he had this huge halo on, but I didn’t see Ronnie as he was laying there, I saw him as a well man; I saw him as what he is today. I didn’t look at what was there; I called things as though as they are today, not as they were that day.

Sid: Clarice you said you didn’t have a manual. I think you have one now. I think this book were making available called “Fighting Death and Other Desperate Battles” is a manual that I’d imagine would have helped a lot if you had this.

Clarice: I tell you it would have, but everything was happening so fast. I mean Ronnie was crashing, he was having a lot of problems. We were having to pray and intercede 24 hours a day. I never left the hospital for 52 days. From the day he came till the day he left I left with him.

Sid: But there must have been many times, because no matter how strong you were, you were pretty strong there, very strong there beyond normal. No I take it back, you were normal. (Laughing) There must have been moments where you said “Am I going crazy, or he’s not going to live.”

Clarice: There was one time, and my friend Sandy she is our church secretary, she and my other friend Barbara Campbell were with me 24 hours a day. I had an interceder with me, they interceded day and night. A prayer warrior that we were fighting for Ronnie’s life no matter what came up, but there was one morning about 3:00, we had fought and fought. They had one Code Blue after the other, and you know I was like “Lord you’ve gotta help me.” I went to the restroom there and the enemy come at me. He said “You’ve got to plan your husband’s funeral.” Oh I just knew and I just started hitting the walls with my fists so loud that I was screaming that I had to get that into my spirit that I had to get what he was saying to me out, and to get what…

Sid: Were out of time.

Sid: My guest by way of telephone speaking to him at their home at South Beloit, Illinois is Ben and Brenda Peters; now on yesterday’s broadcast we found out that Ben came from quite a godly heritage of grandparents in ministry.  And he went to Bible college and he wasn’t backslidden or anything, but he was just arrested by the Holy Spirit when he was asked in a simple dorm prayer meeting “What is your burden?” He realized that he didn’t have any supernatural burden for the lost for anything.  And at that moment he had an encounter with the Holy Spirit his heart was changed and he became such an intercessor for others that even as he explained on yesterday’s broadcast you could hear the tears welling up within him I could hear it in his voice.  And then he began to have such a burden that he would wake up two hours early in the morning and sometimes he had never fasted before, sometimes he would even fast breakfast because Ben you said to me “The presence of God was so wonderful it was better than food.”

Ben: It sure was, it sure was and the incredible thing about it is that the scripture that say “They that sow in tears will reap in joy.”  It was such a strong desire to see the power of God released again to bring souls to Christ. Just a couple of years later a revival came to our city and it wasn’t the fullness of what I’d asked for but it was the first fruits.  And then in 1973 I traveled with a man of God that we had met and he took me to Argentina, and I was just a young man still, but the power of God moved so mightily there that we had six weeks of nonstop miracles and salvation, souls being saved.  He had a strong prophetic ministry that we partly inherited I believe. During that time he would get words of knowledge for people; he would prophesy he would see visions and people would be healed.  And we had deaf and dumb born…three young men that were born deaf and dumb that were healed during those meetings. I saw every other kind of sickness and disease healed in that time and it was the most joyful time in my life.  I always remind people that the sow in tears will reap in joy if you don’t faint you will see the results.  When you pray in intercession and when their tears flowing down your face you know that the Holy Spirit is moved you to pray and when He moves you to pray He will fulfill the desires of your heart and you will see those prayers answered.

Sid: I also have on the telephone Ben Peter’s wife Brenda. Brenda really moves in very accurate prophesy and I have some questions for Brenda.  First of all was there anything prophetic when you met Ben at Bible School and ended up marrying him?

Brenda: Getting to know Ben was very special to me because I came from a non-Christian background and I was learning in my quiet times that were assigned to us to listen to God.  And after one of our missions meetings on a Friday night I was working in gratis and I had been in the Bible College approximately half a year. Ben came down stairs while I was setting up the tables and I was talking to one of my girlfriends who was assisting me and I looked up and when I looked up and caught Ben’s eyes it was as if I was looking right into the depths of his heart and I knew at that moment there was a presence of God and I knew at that moment the Holy Spirit was saying, yeah the Holy Spirit was saying to me “He’s the one.”

Sid: Well how long did it take from that moment to the time you got married?

Brenda: Probably one year; we were engaged within a year and married about a year and a half later.

Sid: Alright tell me I’m very intrigued over your gift of prophesy; when did you realize you were prophetic and how does it operate?

Brenda: I didn’t realize I was prophetic until I became a pastor’s wife and then we worked in a small country church.  Ben served under a senior pastor who moved in the prophetic continuously he had a strong gift of knowledge.  As I basically served and encouraged people all the time I had a need to encourage people. I would always find myself looking for the qualities in their life and going past the negative and this actually became the roots of the prophetic for me on my journey.

Sid: Give me a few examples of how the gift operates with you; maybe specific examples.

Brenda: I realized that the prophetic was very strong on my life after taking classes on the prophetic for a season of time and we went to a meeting under our leader and he released us to prophesy and he turned to me and he said, “Brenda I believe I’m supposed to give you the mic tonight” and we began to minister over a large group of pastors in Canada.  When I took the mic the presence of God came on me so strong I began to prophesy with a powerful anointing I began to speak into every pastors life.  There had to be about 20 pastors a powerful word and I knew that it was God because I could not have made any of that up.

Sid: Were you a kind of a little child that was just amazed that God used you like that?

Brenda: I was.

Sid: And out of curiosity does He operate in other prophetic areas with you such as dreams or visions?

Brenda: Actually there are times when I’m prophesying and I’ll get mental pictures or visions and those visions or mental pictures will be related to the person that I’m standing in front of.So I will speak into those pictures right at the same time that I’m prophesying.

Sid: And when you see those pictures is it like you have to have your eyes closed or do you see them on top of the person. I mean I’m just plain curious tell me how it operates.

Brenda: I understand no actually it’s a mental picture I’m looking directly into their eyes my eyes are wide open; there are times when I’ll close my eyes and pray so that I can just grab the picture and the word I’m getting at the same time and then I’ll look into their eyes.  But I’m seeing the picture similar to a mind it’s just a picture I’m getting in my mind.

Sid: Okay what is God showing you currently?

Brenda: I’ve had visions related to what’s going on in the world in this hour; I have actually seen visions of angels in the Heavenly realm. It’s as if there are Lieutenant Commander Angels holding back the hosts of angels that are being prepared to be released to us to assist us in bringing in the lost for the harvest that’s talked about in the Bible.  I have been getting excited because I’m seeing the youth going out in buses. I have actually seen visions of youth on stadium platforms and going out in buses and worshipping and opening the Heavens for revival.

Sid: Well I have to tell you Brenda I’ve never met you in person at least I don’t believe I have.Have we had our paths cross?

Brenda: No I’ve seen you on television.

Sid: Okay of course I’ve never met your husband Ben but both of you the presence of the God is so strong on both of you.If I had to say to you Brenda what is the strongest passion you have within you what would you say?

Brenda: The strongest passion I have is to go deeper into the heart of God and then carry that presence everywhere I go to raise up those that are broken and hurting.I find myself with this urgency when I’m walking outside I look for people to encourage; walking in airports I look for people to encourage I just encourage and God will give me a prayer for them and I’ll say “Can I share this prayer I’m getting a prayer for you?”  And then I’ll prophesy into their lives and they’ll cry; tears will happen. Grocery stores I’ll stand in the line and they presence of the Holy Spirit will move on me and I’ll just begin to speak to the grocery clerk “You know God has a prayer for you can I share it?”  They’re crying, just bikers I’ve ministered to bikers, I’ve ministered to truckers in truck stops. I just have this cry in my heart to raise people up from their brokenness and give them vision for how God sees them.

Sid: Okay I have read your husband’s book “Prophetic Ministry.” He says that everyone can move in the prophetic which is God’s method that or signs and wonders to arrest the nonbeliever’s attention to preach the gospel.  Do you believe that too that everyone can move in prophesy?

Brenda: Very definitely when we were called out of our church actually we received a prophetic word about moving into the prophetic and traveling and when we launched into that ministry I found myself actually looking for places to get away with God.  I remember the Baptist camp I found a cross in San Diego and went up to the cross every morning in the early morning hours and I would just lay on my face at the foot of the cross and put worship on and invite the presence of God the Holy Spirit.  The Holy Spirit would show up and I would be on my face in prayer one to two hours every morning experiencing His presence.

Sid: Now the key was not that you found a particular place by a cross the key was that you found a place and spent a few hours quality hours with God every day.

Brenda: Exactly with worship and I really believe the time that you just rest in the presence of God with worship and then open up the word and He’ll speak to you.  But it’s a time to listen and then you have…

Sid: I’ll tell you what let’s…we’ll pick up right here on tomorrows broadcast.

Sid: I’m going to tell you something when you understand how the Bible clearly points out the next war in the Middle East it’s eminent it’s different than most people think and the Bible actually names the players, it names the countries, it even tells you what’s going to happen to each country that’s involved in the endtime war.  It tells you the future of America.  Bill Salus has spent the last eleven years when God gave him this revelation just doing research, and I believe he did it just for you.  Bill first it’s important to understand because most believers do not understand the roots of the conflict.If you don’t understand the roots of the conflict when you read today’s headlines you don’t have a clue of what’s going on it’s like seeing the tip of the iceberg but 90% of the iceberg’s under the water and you’re trying to make decision based on that 10% that you can see with your naked eye.

Bill: Absolutely Sid they don’t understand the roots of the conflict.  Six decades have come and gone and the conflict is worse.The enemies of Israel have more dangerous weapons than ever before.  The attitude is that they don’t want the Jewish State to exist and this is something that’s not going to get better according to Bible prophecy it will come out and play out in an Arab Israeli war written about 3000 years ago by the Psalmist Asaph one of King David’s worship leader who was also a prophet/seer.  But you’re right there is an ancient hatred that the Bible speaks about in the Hebrew words are “Olamebam.”  And it talks about it being an existence from time and memorial and resurfacing throughout time even to the present.  And when these two words are put together Sid it’s very definitive; it’s a condition stemming back long ago in ancient times perpetuated throughout time manifesting into hostility with no apparent end in sight.  In other words it’s cancerous it will not go away it needs surgical removal and unfortunately that means war.

Sid:Now can man, in any way you understand, be able to orchestrate peace and not have this horrible scenario occur that we see in the Bible that you’ll be explaining this week?

Bill:  Well, man has tried and man could.Actually there’s a plan that God had put together in Jeremiah 12 verses 14- 17 that I point out in my new book.  That God actually had His own peace plan together for the nations when the Jews came back into the land how He would set the stage for that to be all harmonious, but of course that required that the Arab populations would accept the re-gathered nation of Israel the rebirth nation of Israel and they would worship Jehovah not Allah.  It required a few basis things, but I point this out what they are and that’s not what’s going on unfortunately.  So God had a compassionate roadmap plan a peace 2 state solution, a peace plan together but there in reach of that.  The Arabs are in breach of that and they’re going to confederate according to Psalm 83 and try to wipe Israel off the map Sid that’s what I think is in the makings; I think the Arab spring is pointing in that direction.

Sid:Now you point out reasons why you feel that this is going to happen soon; what are the reasons for the next Middle East War that had to occur in order for it to happen?

Bill:  Well because you know there’s 6 decades have gone on.The Arab Spring has created a very unstable situation over there in the Middle East.

Sid:That’s where everything all of these Arab nations the governments are being toppled and the wrong guys are getting control.  You know what I was thinking Bill, this could have never happened without Facebook, and the computer, and the communication that people have now.  I mean we needed literally needed a computer for Psalm 83 to happen.

Bill: Well you know it’s interesting you’re absolutely right when this Arab Spring was going on the liberal pundits thought it was nothing more than the youth over there driven by the social networks like you said Facebook, Twitter, etcetera.Looking out of State Central media and 7th Century Islam into life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.  And that’s all wonderful and we wish that for them, western style democracies, but that’s not what’s happening Sid.  We’ve got a Syrian revolution that’s gone on since March of 2011 still ongoing as we speak.You’ve got a Muslim Brotherhood now who’s oppressed for forty years in Egypt that will be calling for Sharia law that is now in power.

Sid:Now they have open access to our White House, I find that outrageous!

Bill:  Well, they do and you know their President Mohammed Morsi is the consummate politician he has met with Hillary Clinton, he has met with Leon Panetta, but he has also met with the Hamas he has also met with Mahmoud Ahmadinejad of Iran.  He’s also met with Erdoğanof Turkey.  So if you read behind the scenes you start to recognize that he is just playing politics presently at this point in time.  They have agenda, they want to unite the Arab states through Islam, through Sharia law and they want to march as a capitol; not Cairo, but Jerusalem and this was one of the campaign plans by Mohammed Morsi that had been advocated before he became president.

Sid:President of Egypt, but go ahead.

Bill: You know the stage is really set and like you said, what’s interesting is that we have these leaders Mubarak who ruled Egypt for 30 years, and the Tunisian guy Ali for 23 years, and Gaddafi was 42 years, and even the Saleh of Yemen was 43 years.  These long standing leaders who were really not threatening Israel in a war at any point in time; they’re gone but you know who’s not gone are the people that want to wipe Israel off the map:Ayatollah Khomeini, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, Bashar Assad, Hassan Nasrallahof Hezbolla, and Mohammed Morsi of Egypt.  You know I mean and we’re told in Daniel 2:21 that “It’s the Lord who changes times and seasons and raises and removes kings; He give wisdom to the wise and knowledge to those with understanding.”  And I think the wisdom to the wise is that the leaders that would want to wipe Israel off the map are in place; the weapons are in place the attitude is in place and that we need to be prepared for missiles to fly in the Middle East.  And Sid that’s an imminent concern I have right now.

Sid:And how about Syria and we know but we don’t know but I believe that all the chemical weapons that were in Iraq are now in Syria ready to be turned on its own people and perhaps Israel.

Bill:Well, it’s a…Syria had their own weapons program once upon a time and it was very advanced.  And there’s good reason to believe because even Saddam Hussein one of his upper echelon individuals named George Sada has come out since Hussein has fallen and said “Yes we did have chemical weapons and yes they were moved into Syria.” Now Syria supposedly has the largest undisclosed, we believe third in the world, undisclosed arsenal of chemical weapons and they’ve been moving them around because of the concerns of what’s going on with the freestanding army and the revolution over there,and supposedly stored in around 20 different sites.  Sid you know just the other day Bashar Assad went out and said “Look if there is international intervention into his revolution he is there, he will die in Syria he is not going to leave and the Middle East will start to fall down like dominoes.”  That was a quote from Bashar Assad of Syria he is not going to do what Muammar Gaddafi did take a bullet to the head without doing something.  And that’s the concern and as a matter of fact he said I think it was in November of 20ll “That if the International Community get’s involved in his revolution” and at that time he was specifically referring to NATO he said in 6 hours I will send missiles into Tel Aviv and I will have Hezbollah send missiles into Tel Aviv.  Well Sid what is Israel going to do if that happens especially if there’s chemicals.  Now you’re dealing with another Bible prophesy probably inter-related with Psalm 83 and Isaiah 17 which talks about the destruction of Damascus the world’s oldest and continuously inhabited city dating back before the time of Abraham over 4000 years ago home to several million Syrians being destroyed.  It says “It will cease to be a city it will be a ruinous heap.” And what’s very detailed about that is Isaiah 17 prophesy Sid is that it goes on to say in verse 9 that it appears to be the IDF in self-defense that has to that.  And in verse 14 of Isaiah 17 it says “At evening tide you see Him.”  Referring to Damascus in the personal pronoun “and in the morning he is no more.”  This is a portion of those who plunder us and those who rob us.

Sid:Okay tell us about how well armed is Hezbollah?

Bill:  Well Hezbollah who has lopped 4,000 rockets into Israel in the summer of 2006 and kept a lot of people in Israel in bomb shelters for 34 days according to the UN resolution 1701 was supposed to dismantle those at that time.We believe now they’ve got 50 to 60,000 missiles.  We believe they’ve got Scud D missiles that they got from Syria, now Scud D Sid are the most advanced Scud’s in the world and they’re not those throw a prayer out and hope that Scud ace thatSaddam Husain had these are Scud-D’s; they can go 400 miles in pin point accuracy and hit within a 20 yard target.  I mean they can hit in the middle of any synagogue they want; they can hit the Dimona if they wanted the nuclear plant out of Israel.

Sid:Okay I see the picture, Iran has nuclear power, we have the Muslims acting crazy attacking our embassy. Hezbollah has 50,000 some rockets with pinpoint accuracy.  Syria has got the chemical weapons.  I mean and this is the whole war the nations involved and we’ll get into it later this week all outlined in Psalm 83.  So I have two questions for you number one, “How imminent is this?

Bill: Well, I don’t see anything standing in the way when you understand Psalm 83 and the nations involved I don’t see anything standing in the way right now of Psalm 83 happening.  Peace talks have failed the only thing, the only two things, the only preconditions are a peace treaty between Egypt and Israel, which was formed in 1979 I believe with Jimmy Carter and a Peace treaty that was formed with Jordan that was formed in 1984 with Bill Clinton.

Sid:And you know I have to interrupt because we’re running out of time right now. However, a lot of people are thinking “Well, what is this got to do with me, I mean I’m just a member of the country.”  No, no, no if you’re on the right side of the fence with the Jew in Israel the last days you’re going to be like a magnet attracting God’s blessings.  If you’re on the wrong side of the fence with the Jew in Israel if you don’t understand in the last days you’re going to be attracting things that won’t be good.

Sid:I believe the closer we get to the return of the Messiah the more the missing pieces will come into focus.  And that’s why I have Bill Salus on the telephone; Bill has spent the last 11 years researching what’s going on in the Middle East, the fate of America, and as far as I’m concerned this is a missing ingredient that once you understand this you’ll be able to put end-time Bible prophecy much better.  Bill why does God make prophesy such a mystery?  I am one of these people that say “I like one and one to equal two, I like things to be logical, just show me what it is I’ll pray it and do it.”  Why is it so confusing to so many people?

Bill:   Well, it’s interesting and I think where it draws our attention to Isaiah 46 verses 9 and 10 said where God says “He is God there’s none like Him declaring the end from the beginning, things not yet done seeing his council still stand.”  See He holds Bible prophecy to His authentic sovereignty of His own and that how it’s authentic sovereignty.  But once we start to understand prophesy because in some parts of prophesies we do get an enormous amount of detail.  We start to realize that God…prophesy is for us to inform us, not to impress us, God’s not someone with too much time on His hands, He’s the one who holds all time in His hands. And we should be thankful that He wants to share this upcoming information for us like a loving Father would.  So Bible prophesy which is about a third of the Bible Sid is extremely important we can’t discard it and yet many of us myself including came to the Lord through Bible prophesy.It becomes a witnessing tool,as a matter of fact it says in Revelation 19:10 that the Spirit of Prophecy is the very testimony of Jesus Christ.  Only He can say that, His testimony is prophetic.  So Bible prophesy is an amazing part of the Bible and unfortunately seldom taught in many of the churches today.

Sid:Now, there have been a whole series of what I consider supernatural events for you to get this revelation, digest it and be able to put it out in a form we understand.  Tell me a little bit about how this amazing revelation came to you.

Bill: Well, it’s interesting like I said, “I came to know the Lord through Bible prophesy, I was actually attending a Bible study of a scholar and he was doing the Book of Revelation.  And so I immediately got interested in the Bible and especially in the prophetic aspects of the Bible. I thought well, I’m going to study Bible prophesy I want to study the Bible prophesy that’s most relevant for my time, my families time, my children and grandchildren’s time.  I want to know it all I want to study it all I want to know about the tribulation and times and all of that.  But there’s something right now or is there a shoe that fits right now that would equip me for the days for which I live?  Which I think is really the importance of Bible prophecy; so I started being connected to, especially in the event of September 11^th when the twin towers were toppled, I started realizing listen this is about terrorism, that’s the ugly byproduct of the Arab-Israeli conflict.  And immediately my attention was drawn to those Middle-East prophecies dealing with those ancient territories that surround Israel and Syria and Jordan and Lebanon and the terrorist populations.  And I just became obsessed with it to be honest with you Sid; I felt like every time I would sit down at my computer open it up and every morning before I went to work. I had a mortgage company at the time this was about 20 years ago I would realize listen Lord I can’t go anywhere without You inspiring me to find out where you want me to go.  And as I would think I need to pick up where I left off the day before I would go back into that section of scripture and the next thing you know I’d be out somewhere else where the Lord took me.It was just like a miraculous relationship with the Lord; being able to find things He always showed up, He always showed up and took me where He wanted me to go inside of the Bible.

Sid:Now when the towers toppled, 9/11 and you started doing a lot of your studies God literally gave you a clear message, what was that?

Bill:  Well, the message was, well it’s was interesting because I was wondering the world had questions when that happened.  You know what is this, is the Armageddon, I would be listening to the radio shows and there was a harvest that was developing right over there because of what was going on and pastors were going over there and they were preaching the gospel.  But no one was really coming up with a response to it and I had been deeply imbedded in studying this stuff.  I heard one pastor well, known pastor say “You need to focus on Ezekiel 38 and 39.”  And here’s what’s going on and Sid for your listeners that aren’t familiar with that maybe we’ll be talking about it, but that’s a Russian, Iranian, Turkey coalition comes against Israel in the ladder days.

Sid:And most people, most Christians think that’s the next big war on the horizon if you talk to them.  But you say “No.”

Bill: Right a lot of them do believe that it’s eminent and so I want to tell you my reasons why I say it’s not eminent, why it’s near but not next.  But that’s why this one pastor said “Keep your focus on that.”  And that was the best answer that I’d heard but I as I was saying just a moment ago it’s not about Russia, you know it was not about Russia, that was about terrorism.  And so what I realized is that the Bible has to say about how terrorism came into being from the Arab Israeli conflict, which is that conventional method of warfare that the Arabs adopted after their conventional warfare failures of 1948, ’67, and 1973.  And what became clear to me is what follows, this is going to come to a climatic Arab Israeli war that’s described in Psalm 83, and it’s going to put everything else in place.  Once that happens the Israel that Russia invades in Ezekiel 38 that dwells securely in the last days, and there is whole laundry list that I can tell that describes that Israel. Ezekiel is so descriptive, that Israel, will come into place, but that Israel is not in place right now, it’s not dwelling securely without wall, bars on our gates and receipt of great fortune because Russia comes, is coming after it’s plunder.  Now don’t get me wrong we know that Israel is blossoming and it’s discovering natural gas and it’s just amazing, that’s a miracle in itself.  But the Israel that Russia forms a coalition to come and invade for great plunder and booty dwelling securely it doesn’t exist and the reason it doesn’t exist right now is because of the very nations listed in Psalm 83 that surround Israel that want to wipe Israel off the map.  That’s through the mandate of Psalm 83 verse 4 that they would cut them off from being a nation; that the name of Israel would be remembered no more.

Sid:You know it’s interesting I have often pondered Ezekiel 38, 39 that Israel will be invaded for a plunder, my spiritual logic says “That means they have to be very very prosperous so there for if I was interested in investing which I’m not, but if I was I’d be investing in Israel.”

Bill: Well, I concur Sid, however, you know we need to think about this too, because I get asked that question quite a bit by my friends in finance also a lot of my Jewish friends.  And I say “I do believe there is a greater Israel coming, a greater, a safer Israel coming in the aftermath of the IDF victory over the Psalm 83 war.  But we have to remember that when that war takes place you’re investments and your holdings over there in Israel should you invest they could suffer.  And that’s not going to be real good there for a period of time when a war’s going on.  Now Israel wins and Israel can…

Sid:Yeah, but guess what take any country in the world they’re going to have rough times because yet once more I’m going to shake this earth and those that are not on a firm foundation there going to fall.  I want to read a quote of yours about terrorism.  It says “Terrorism is the ugly byproduct of the Arab-Israeli conflict and that the Bible speaks volumes about what follows,” explain.

Bill:  Well exactly and that’s the whole Psalm 83 scenario.The attitude that’s involved in Psalm 83 and I hope we have time to develop this Psalm this prophesy for your audience here.  But it’s ancient hatred that’s long standing that’s been developed in the religion of Islam that’s embracing the Middle East over there and they are going to want to come against Israel, they have tried to in those various wars I told you about since Israel became a nation.  It’s sort of suspended now but then there’s no peace talks going on nor will there probably be at this point because Israel is not going to concede land that’s acquired in 1967 which is becoming a precondition of the Palestinians wanting peace.

Sid:You know remember the uproar that occurred when President Obama said that “Israel has to go to their pre ’67 borders.”

Bill:  Well, yeah and President Netanyahu was over here speaking to our congress and saying “That’s not going to happen” and in an essence when he came over and spoke that to the Palestinians was a declaration of war for all intense and purposes because to them.they want that land.  They want the Palestinian state with Jerusalem as its capital and they want the West Bank and the Gaza and they want to bridge it and these…

Sid:And you know what bothers me Bill is that, well like let’s take one of the three DVD’s and your book that we’re offering, but take one of the DVD’s “The Roots of the Mideast Conflict.”  Number one, most people don’t know the historical order as to why there is such hatred today.  I mean it seems to me if I was a member of the State Department, if I was a Congressman, if I was a Senator, if I was in the Whitehouse, if I was on the Cabinet, if I don’t understand the roots of the mid-East conflict how could I possibly give confident advice?

Bill: Well, and that’s exactly it and that’s why for 6 decades plus now there’s been no resolution to the Arab Israel conflict and it’s getting worse.  And you know ultimately land for peace deals are not prescribed in the Bible here this is God’s land and Israel’s being brought back into it.The Arabs want the Israeli’s to recede rather they’re expanding after 1967 they almost tripled their size.  God said they’d be coming back into the land numerous prophesies.

Sid:Bill, we’ve just run out of time.  But what I want our Mishpochah to do is uncover the missing piece of prophesy, the next war in the Middle East.  The experts literally have over looked this and the fate of America when you understand this you’ll see the fate of America.