Sid Roth

Sid:  My guest Steven Brooks, I’m speaking to him at his home in Moravian Falls, North Carolina a place, as a matter of fact Steven I’ve been to Moravian Falls, but the only time I have seen angels, no there were two times, but the only time that I’ve seen angels is I got into North Carolina I saw a couple on the road as I was driving.  And I saw it, the reason I knew that they were angels is I saw them and then I blinked my eyes and they weren’t there.  And I thought I must be imagining something.  And so then I drove down the road a little further and I saw that same angels and then they were gone again; so I think they were playing with me, I’m not sure.

Steven:  Right.

Sid:  You’ve had so many angelic encounters and the purpose of your book is not for people to have angelic encounters, but the angels are there working with them and we’ve never been taught on how to cooperate with the angles.  On yesterday’s broadcast you were talking about the purpose of angels, would you continue teaching on that?

Steven:  Well, Sid the angels will help us in the things that God has called us to do.  I’ll give you an example of my ministry I know that there are two angels, I have actually met them before and I’d like to tell you and share with the people how I met these two angels.  But they help me in a certain area of ministry that just really helps me to minister very effectively.  But let me tell you how these two angels were originally assigned to me. I was living in Long Beach, California, this was about six years ago, and I had gone out in the garage of my home to pray.  Sometimes I’ll pray in the house, but there as activity with the family going on in the house so I went out to the garage to pray because it would be quiet, but Sid even as I was in the garage I could still hear some background noise from the house.  I thought well, I’ll just sit in my wife’s car which was parked in the garage and then I’ll close the door and I won’t hear anything.  And at that time the car my wife was driving was a PT cruiser. It was purple like a deep really rich purple color and because we lived in Southern California it was popular to have a personal plate, even the license plate said, “Royal PT” because of the deep purple color.  Well, I was sitting in the car and I was just praying and spending time with the Lord and I just went over to that realm where I hit the glory realm and just seemed like the car just kind of filled up with the cloud and I just put my hands up and began to worship the Lord.  And as I did that Sid I heard a sound and it sounded like “swoosh,” and the back of the car it felt like the back of the car went down about two inches. Naturally Supernatural Sid Roth

Sid:  Well, were you afraid?

Steven:  No, there was absolutely no fear but there was an awe at the same time, there was a reverence.  In moments like that there is no flippancy, there is no silliness, it was like an awe.  And I because the car, I physically felt the car go down.  I said, “Lord,” and I had my eyes closed and I was in deep in prayer, I said, “Lord I said, two angels just came and sat down in the back seat of the car didn’t they?”  And I heard a voice Sid it seemed to me like it was right next to me a voice a man’s voice spoke and spoke, “Yes, they did.”  And so I’m probably like you Sid, I’m curious it something’s unraveling I want to find out more of what’s actually taking place.  And I said, “Lord, what is the purpose of these angels?  He said, “They are here to help you and assist you in your times of prayer and fasting.”  And then I got a little more bold, I said, “What are their names?”  He said, “Joash and Josiah.”   Now Sid when I heard that voice speak to me and tell me those two names, Joash and Josiah very slowly I was sitting in the front seat.  Very slowly I turned around, I turned my head around and I looked in the back seat of the car and there sitting there were two male angels, they looked to be about thirty years of age, they had hair that was just as black as a raven that came down and rested on their shoulders.  Their eyes were so beautiful, their eyes looked like dark Tahiti pearls, and their robes were like red, thick velvet and they were so red they looked like a deep stained crimson color. Sid when I saw them I just said, “Lord, thank you, I receive their ministry.”  And I begin to turn back towards the front and when I turned towards the front all of the hair on the back of my neck stood completely up, and there sitting in the front passenger seat was the Lord Jesus Himself. Sid Roth broadcast

Sid:  My goodness, that’s an experience to last a life time!

Steven:  I could hardly function for two weeks for almost two weeks after this experience happened.  After when I turned and saw the Lord sitting in the front passenger seat I pushed myself over to the left side of the car and looked at Him I was shocked, I was totally stunned. That was the first time ever saw the Lord in person like that.  And to top it off he was wearing a purple robe, a deep beautiful purple robe, He had a gold belt, it was like a sash around His waist.  I could look down in the floor board, I could see His feet and I could see that He was wearing gold sandals and He had a gold miter a crown on His head.  And Sid He looked at me and He smiled; I was able to see Him clearly, He was only two feet away from me.  And He smiled at me.  I knew He took pleasure in knowing that He had caught me off guard.  Ha because I was so stunned that I knew that it had tickled Him some.  But He put His hands, He crossed His hands together and put His hands in His lap and leaned forward and began to pray and intercede for my ministry.  And I just put my hands up and began to worship the Lord and worship God and after just a few more minutes that vision lifted.  I came out of the car and the first thing I did was laying on the desk there in the garage I had my Credence Concordance which in the back of it has every Greek and Hebrew name listed with their meanings. I looked up the name Joash and it means the fire of the Lord.  I looked up the name Josiah, it means the burning of the Lord.  So Sid when there’s those times of prayer and fasting as the Spirit leads those two angels come and they help me and literally I just lose any appetite for food, it just goes away and I can just focus on praying.

Sid:  How many angels are assigned to you?

Steven:  I am not exactly sure because I’ll give you an example, there’s angels that are assigned to my book department; there are angels that actually help lead people to my books that are available in book stores.  It’s like with your ministry there are multitudes of angels that go out and actually influence people to turn on the TV and watch your program because the Lord knows people need to be feed spiritual food.

Sid:  We get email from people that say, “I’ve never heard of you or your program, but I just felt like turning it on one day and there you were and I got healed or you met this need.   So you’re saying that you believe that their angel really directed them.

Steven:  Yes, that’s one thing the church is also backed off some that we believe the devil is able to influence people with bad thoughts. We of course we understand that God influence us.  The Holy Spirit will influence us with good thoughts but the angels also influence our thoughts; they help us to think those God ideas, or those bright ideas.  Those are the angels dropping that revelation upon our hearts.

Sid:  Would it be appropriate for you to release the angels with your spoken word, as you taught spoken words are important, to get this book in the hands of everyone that is listening right now?

Steven:  I would love to do that, and I would just speak that right now, “Father we thank you for the angels that are available and listening right now; Father there are multitudes of people that are listening to this program that need this book Father and want and desire a closer walk with you and how to work with their angels. ‘So Father we just send forth those angels; ministering spirits go forth and make a way if there are those that do not have the finances make a way for that extra money to come for them to acquire and purchase this book.”

Sid:  Steven tell me about the dream you had about the great shift that’s coming in ministry.

Steven:  Sure, and right now I feel an anointing that there is and I want to touch on that subject; but there is somebody out there that desperately needs a miracle; somebody is struggling financially.  There are people that are listening today that have great financial burdens and unless the Lord does a miracle they’re facing great difficulty.  And right now ministering spirits go forth those individuals that need a financial miracle; that need a breakthrough in their finances and cause the money to come, cause the breakthroughs to come, go in the name of Jesus.  Ooooh, Hallelujah, thank you Lord.

Sid:  Oh I’m so glad you were obedient because we’re going to get letters from that.  Now tell me about the dream you had of the great shift that’s coming in ministry.

Steven:  There is a shift that’s coming because what the Lord wants to do, and I’ll give you an example; back in the 1950’s healing revival that was a powerful move of God’s Spirit.  We’re going to see another move like that come, but it’s going to be different.  There’s going to be some, the Lord has put some safety checks into this next coming move of God’s Spirit and one of the things that’s going to happen Sid is that instead of like back in the 1950’s healing revival there were only 120 people that were really mentioned as far as being ones that were heavily anointed; that’s going to be very different in this next coming move of God.  It’s going to be all hands on deck, it’s not going to be just a few ministers moving in the anointing, yes there will always be a place for the five fold ministry, and yes the fivefold minister even such as myself is assigned with a special anointing, but the Bible says these signs shall follow them that believe.  And there are many believers that are out there today that have you know they say “These signs shall follow them that believe that they shall lay hands on the sick and they shall recover.”  Well, most believers don’t move in that, they think that’s just for the fivefold ministry, but we’re going to see a great awakening of the church and it will be all hands on deck and really when it comes time for this great end-time harvest to pull the nets in and bringing in the multitudes it’s going to require everybody doing their part.

Sid:  And will the church look like it looks today so neat; you almost know before you go into the service how many songs they’re going to be; which will be fast, which will be they’ll be fast then they’re going to be slow.  Then there’s going to be announcements then there’s going to be the offering and then there’s going to be the five point or the three point message.  Will that change?

Steven:  Sid it is going to change, things are going to change because the glory changes things, if I could say it this way, it levels the playing field.  When the glory comes nothing can compete with God’s power it’s just, it doesn’t matter how good a marketing ability might be, or how comfortable the chairs are, or this and that.  When the glory comes, people want to be in on the glory, well at least most people do, there will still be some that are…

Sid:  Oh let that glory come.

Sid:  If you had some of the angelic encounters that my guest has had you’d be red hot for the Messiah, but the purpose of this show is so that you can understand the angels assigned to you and you can start cooperating with them.  Now my guest’s name is Steven Books, I’ speaking to him at his home in Moravian Falls, North Carolina; I’ve been there and the stories I’ve heard that that area was so saturated with angelic visitation.  But tell me Steven about the time that five angels of rival that came to you, we talked a bit about that, but they lectured you literally on living a holy life and some other arenas. Then tell me about your experience with the glory of God. Sid Roth supernatural languages

Steven:  Well, Sid for thirty minutes exactly of them talking with me and me being allowed to ask them certain questions I was sitting before them and they said to me, one angel said, “Steven” he said, “Would you like to experience what it’s like to be in a full blown Holy Spirit move of God?”  And I said, “Yes.”  And when I said “Yes,” each one of those angels, there were five of them that each reached forth with their right hand and they pointed with their pointing finger and held that finger out and they each touched me with just a tip of their finger.”  And when they each touched me at the same time with the tip of their finger I fell out on the floor for over two hours just shaking, my body was just shaking, it felt like electricity just went, if felt like I just stuck my finger in an electrical outlet, and I was just shaking under the power of God.  And I was even thinking, I was with my natural mind, “Lord, I hope this doesn’t wake up my wife and daughter in the room, because I was flopping all over the floor like a fish.”  And the Lord was just shaking out of me anything that wasn’t of Him and making more room for Him in my life.

Sid:  Well that kind of makes sense because you heard a lecturer from the angels on walking in holiness and then you got a little extra help.

Steven:  Right and that’s where the Quakers and the Shakers got their name from having experiences with God’s power.

Sid:  Now, was the power, how could you describe it, it doesn’t sound like it was soft, it sounds like it was almost violent.

Steven:  It is, it doesn’t hurt it feels good, but it causes a reaction. I wouldn’t say it’s a manifestation of the Spirit, I would say it’s a manifestation of my body manifesting to God’s power that flowed through those angels.  And I’m just having a reaction to that. Your flesh will react and mine was just I was just shaking all over the place, I shook for two hours uncontrollably and that’s a long time to shake but after it was all over I had no bruises.

Sid:  I wanted to ask you “Were you sore?”

Steven:  No not at all I felt wonderful, I felt totally energized, I felt like it was a brand new day, it felt awesome.

Sid:  Now, before we went on the air we were talking about the revival that’s coming to America, you were told about the rival.  Tell me some of the things you know about the healing revival that’s coming to America.

Steven:  Well, I know Sid that when it hits it’s full pivot, when it’s at full force it will be going 24 hours a day nonstop.  They’ll be people preaching under the anointing 3 days straight with no sleep, no food, no water.  They’ll be outpourings of God’s glory that will take place at certain hot spots around America.  And you know when I had that visitation from the Lord on that 40 day fast on that 10th day when He told me about this coming revival He said something to me very interesting, but He said this, He said, “Steven, He said when this revival hits full force He said this will be a very good time for Dominos Pizza.”  I said, “What!” I said, “Lord what does that mean?”  He said, “He said the revival will go around the clock, he said, “People won’t leave,” He said, “They won’t go home, He said they’ll just stay there.”  He said, “Where ever My Spirit moves in that type of power He said, “People will not leave they’ll stay there for sometimes for two weeks in a row.”  He said, “What they’ll do is they’ll sit under the anointing, they’ll sit there in these meetings and they’ll come out order a pizza eat it and go right back under that anointing.”  He said, “Steven, they won’t want to leave.” Sid Roth articles

Sid:  Now did He give you any indication as to whether this revival will last until He returns?

Steven:  I believe what is going to take place Sid is that this outpouring of God’s Spirit, it is preparation for the end time.  I think what we’re seeing is a harvesting of the harvesters, so this first wave, this first strong moving of God’s Spirit that we are going to see I don’t believe it’s the final thing.  I believe we need a lot more harvesters, I think that if the harvest came in right now I think every net would break, every ship would sink, I don’t think the church is ready for it, we need more people that know how to lead people into salvation, how to lead people to the Holy Spirit baptism, we need more people that are trained and qualified to do that, and how to instruct young believers in the Lord.  So I believe this first great moving of God’s Spirit that’s going to take place as a harvesting of the harvest.

Sid:  And any idea how long until this happens?

Steven:  I believe we’re just a couple of years out but here’s the thing, is that with my ministry I’m not waiting until everybody says “It’s happening.”  I’ve already jumped on it I’m already surfing this wave even before it breaks and that’s why we’re seeing some amazing miracles of healing that are taking place in our meetings.

Sid:  Tell me about that woman with scoliosis.

Steven:  Well, this was about a year and half ago when I was ministering in Lancaster, California, and there are angels of healing that are assigned to my ministry.  You know I want to explain that to the people because the Lord Jesus He is the Healer, He is the one that’s doing all of the healing, but He works through His willing vessels, and I’m just a vessel and I lay my hands on people and His anointing can flow through me.  And the angels they are in those meetings and they help strengthen me and they’ll put their hands on me to give me strength and just give me a little taste and strength of that glory realm just to help me keep going.  And so I was in that meeting going down the prayer line and I got to the last person in that line, it was a very long line, but Sid the last person in that prayer line for healing was a young girl, she was sixteen years old.  And she suffered with scoliosis of the spine. She had a noticeable curve in the upper part of her back that was there from that scoliosis; she had to wear a back brace 22 hours out of every 24 every single day of her life she had to wear that back brace. And she came into that line and she had her mom take the brace off before she go into the prayer line, but I prayed for her that healing anointing, that power of God went into her body.  She went back to her seat and she asked her mom and she said, “Mom can I please not put that back brace on, I believe the power of God has gone into my body.”  Well, the meeting’s ended and that was on a Sunday, Monday I flew back home to Moravian Falls and on Tuesday I got a call from the pastor at that church.  He said, “Steven, he said “On Monday morning he said that young woman woke up and her back was completely straight.”  And her mother and her looked at her back and noticed that her back had been completely healed and on that very day they had their doctors appointment.  They went into the doctor’s office and the first thing the doctor said he looked at her and said, “What in the world happened to you?”  He said, “We need to rerun all the tests.” They re-x-rayed her and ran all kinds of tests and the doctor said, “Your back is completely normal, what happened to you?”  And she said, “The Lord Jesus Christ healed my back,”

Sid:  You know on a previous show you talked about you were instructed the types of miracles that we would start seeing when this great healing revival hits, tell me those again.

Steven:  There’s going to be, and this might stretch people a little, bit but Sid we’re going to see people that have the worse burned cases severe burns, even third degree burns that are life threatening, they are going to be brought from the hospitals into these meetings where this glory is being poured out and they will be healed.

Sid:  Like someone with their faces all disfigured?

Steven:  Oh yes even like Naaman that had that severe leprosy and most likely even had body parts that had already fallen off and were missing, and it says “He obeyed God and his skin was like that of an infant.  And not only was and he was made whole so if there was anything that had, a nose or finger that had come off from that leprosy it wasn’t just new skin, but he was made whole, brand new.  And so people are going to get body parts back, new skin, this is known in the Bible as the gift of the working of miracles in 1^st Corinthians chapter 12, but we are going to see this come to a prominence, a forefront in the church.  We’re going to see even children with Down Syndrome, people with autism completely healed in these meetings.

Sid:  Are there going to be special cities where this will be known for or will it be everywhere?

Steven:  It won’t be everywhere but it will still be wide spread. Somebody will say, well it’s over here, and somebody will say it’s in Kansas City, and somebody will say it’s Moravian Falls, and then somebody will say it’s in Dallas happening in Dallas, and then somebody will say it’s happening out in California.  So they’ll be outpourings all over the place and people will hear about it and they’ll come by the thousands literally just like they did when Jesus was ministering had crowds up to 20,000 and plus.

Sid:  Steven I have a copy of your new book “Working with Angels” and I have to ask you a question because this is the first time we’ve talked.  Tell me about the cover.

Steven:  The cover of this book is a cover where you see some angel wings and at the same time you see horses that are running. One of the things the Lord told Jeremiah when Jeremiah was having a tough time and felt like he was so far spiritually advanced against the rest of Israel which was in sin and lawlessness, and he said, “Lord this is just really difficult to deal with.”  And the Lord said, “If it’s been hard for you to run with the footman” he said “What are you going to do when you run with the horses?”  So the Lord was trying to pull him up to a higher level of spiritual development so that he could stop walking with the footman and start running with the horses, that’s what the Lord wants us to do is run with the horses, move into this faster realm of the Spirit.

Sid:  When you teach on this area or someone reads your book “Working with Angels” what feedback do you get?

Steven:  I get a lot of positive feedback and also the same time I get a lot of questions primarily people are wanting to know, and I talk about it in the book, but it just generates more interest; “Steven how can I work with them, what do I need to do?” You know I talk about that in the book I talk about how the angels they heed and harken to the voice of His word, now that’s Psalm 103 verse 20.  It’s very interesting because it doesn’t say that “The angels harken to His word.”  Now of course the angels do, they will always harken to God’s word, but it says, “They harken to the voice of His Word.”  In other words…

Sid:  So if we’re not speaking His word, they are not harkening a whole lot, is that what you’re saying?

Steven: That’s right and so many times people do not have the angels activated in their life and they are standing around waiting for them.

Sid:  My guest Deborah Shambora. Deborah in a million years did you ever believe you would be given this gift of seeing in the spirits world, seeing the demons; seeing the angels, seeing what God is up to being able to go to Heaven at will; did you ever think that was possible? Sid Roth radio show

Deborah:  No, I didn’t I had never heard of anybody seeing in the spirit so I thought that it was a little bit strange at first. Then I just trusted the Lord and He taught me as you said yesterday when we were talking we talked about the fact that I was hidden.  The Lord hasn’t really put me in groups, large groups of people who do this, He’s mostly taught me and trained me on my own and I’ve had to make sure that everything I do and say matches up with His scripture, and that’s the most important thing.  I don’t think this is a special gift that’s just for me I think as you say “We’re family” we’re in the family business and this is a valuable gift for us to go about the family business, the Father’s business.  I think that this particular gift that even now God wants to share this gift with anyone who is willing to work and to move with His agenda.  You said something about agenda, agenda we have our own agendas.  We can’t have our own agenda we have to truly just have the agenda the Holy Spirit has.  It isn’t about doing what we’re doing on our own, and I think the Lord wants to make people part of His family today.

Sid:  Well see I believe that if you lay hands on people some wonderful things are going to happen to almost release them into this realm just like that’s what happened with you someone laid hands on you, but I believe that it can be spoken as easily as laying on of hands just like healing can be a word of knowledge or it can be the laying on of hands or it can be the person praying by themselves.  But what do you think about praying for all those that are hungry to move into this spiritual realm where they get their spiritual vision which is far more important than their natural vision.

Deborah:  Right, I tell people this we have spiritual senses I believe we have five spiritual senses the same as we have five physical senses and some people will be more gifted in the sight God will give them more sight but some people will be more gifted in the other senses.  I have smelled things in the spirit, I have heard things in the spirit, I have yet to taste things in the spirit, but I know that’s coming I just don’t know what it’s going to be like because God says taste and see that I am good.  And so I tell people not to really seek after the vision and the seeing because of all of our senses our seeing can be the least reliable at times.  If you just watch a movie we think something’s happening on a movie but it’s actually just being done on a computer simulation.  So I really would like people to be open to sensing with their spirit and to growing in sensing in all of the areas of their spirit and knowing what’s happening in the spirit realm not only by vision, and not seeking that, but seeking to be a part of the family and a part of what God is doing and to join in the family business. Sid Roth radio broadcast

Sid:  You know Deborah I know that God’s been speaking to you as He’s been speaking to me about young people and that have such a hunger for God.  I can see young teenagers moving in the realm you’re moving in large numbers all over the world.  What’s God showing you about this younger generation?

Deborah:  It is so crucial for this younger generation to be introduced to these things in the spirit realm because that’s what they’re looking for and they look for it in all the wrong places, that’s why there’s such an increase I believe interest in witchcraft and the interest in drugs and alcohol by the younger generation because they’re looking for this spiritual life, they’re looking to live in the spirit realm. And it’s not satisfying them trying to do it in the natural, that’s the lie of the enemy that you can have the same thing through drugs or alcohol or whatever else you do. I believe that this generation is the generation that is ushering in the final end of this world and they are crucial to what is going to happen in the spirit realm.

Sid:  You know I think there is going to be such a polarization that when someone says they’re Christian they will be rather than that just happens to be their religion.  And I’m looking at my notes, and you believe this too, that the evil will get stronger and God’s kingdom will get stronger and stronger and people are going to have to choose.

Deborah:  Yes, there is going to be more definitely times of choosing and right now I truly believe we are in a transition point.  We’re in that point of choosing at this moment, it’s a New Year and a Jewish New Year and this New Year there is something different God is doing I truly believe that God is calling us to make that decision.  Do you want to be that Christian who goes to an institutional church on Sunday’s and then goes and lives your life without Him, or do you want to be that kind of person that is in the family of God and actually lives and breathes in the spirit realm as well as in the natural. It’s our choice right now.

Sid:  Deborah press in and pray what God tells you to pray.

Deborah:  Father I just want to ask You to encourage everyone whose listening to light within them that flame that’s inside of them Lord that You put in them and in their spirit I just would ask that You increase that fire in them, that hunger, that thirst after You that desire to be in Your family.  That desire for truth Lord, not in the things of the natural not in any of the things the enemy has placed in our path, but Father that you would have us look in the spirit realm with our eyes and see You, and with our ears and hear Your voice.  You said that we can hear your voice and know it.  We want to hear Your voice Lord, we want to be led by you just like the children of Israel were led through the promise land.  We want to see the fire Lord by night and the cloud by day; I ask Lord even now as those people are pressing into You listening to this radio show that as their pressing in and they’re coming to a place where they say Lord “I want this, I want You in that kind of way I want to be in Your family.  I want to do what You’re doing and partner with Your angels.  I ask that You release that all over this world where this broadcast is being heard just release into them Lord the power.  They don’t need another person they just need You, I ask that You strengthen that relationship that You have with them and I encourage anyone who wants this relationship to just  run to the Lord, just open your heart to Him and run to Him and this is the time that God has that for you.  It’s available for you right now it’s not something you have to work at, it’s not something that you have beg for it’s something that you have to just sacrifice your own agenda and say “Lord it’s about You it’s not about me.”  So thank You Lord for everything that You have done and we appreciate it in Jesus Name Amen.

Sid:  You know Deborah there is such a strong tangible presence of God right now that has flooded this studio.   In fact I’m a little bit concerned about my engineer because when this happens she’s so hungry for God she may not be looking at the controls.  But there is such a wonderful presence of God that is right there.  And in His presence all things are possible and I’m hearing that people are being healed right now; they’re being healed of back pain, that back pain and neck pain.  And in fact pain of any kind in this anointing you can just reach into that invisible world and pull in your healing Deborah?

Deborah:  Pain in the hips and just that has been really bothering someone for quite some time. The Lord is wanting to make that no longer a concern.  There’s something to do with a maybe ovarian cancer that God is working on that God want you to know that He has all power to even heal things like ovarian cancer, it’s not impossible with God to heal specific things like that.  He can deal with back pain, He can deal with pain in the hips He can also deal with cancer and He wants you to know that today.

Sid:  Let me ask you this, “What has God been speaking to you about our One New Man kit that we’re making available?”

Deborah:  I think it’s an incredible opportunity, a way for people to actually get started it in doing the thing that God wants them to do and that’s serving Him in His way and not serving a institution in the way that that’s been set up to serve.  I love the church and I think God has great plans for the church but not the church that we call it the church, not the institutional church that man has built, but the church that God wants to build.  And I think the house church and the One New Man Kit that you’re talking about really is going to be the way to get started in that.  And once you get started the Lord, the Holy Spirit, the Father will actually move you into places you never thought you could go and you’ll be seeing, you’ll be hearing, you’ll be fellowshipping with Him, you’ll be seeing angels ministering with you. I think it all starts from just walking that out, taking that step, saying “Yes, I want to do this thing and I’m willing to do it Lord if you partner with me.”  And just get started, if it’s two people, if it’s four people let God grow it for you as you grow in Him.

Sid:  My guest is red hot for the Messiah her name is Deborah Shambora, I’m speaking to her by way of telephone, at her home in Gilbert, Arizona a city outside of Phoenix. What happened to Debra should not have happen to anyone, a horse went mischugah and started trampling her.  No logical explanation and literally crushed her major organs and just her body was a mess and she ended up dying, but it wasn’t her time and He sent her back and eventually her body healed up but they never even found out she had a problem that her cornea was completely crushed and ruptured and so she had to have stitches.  I mean I couldn’t believe that what was it what did you tell me sixty-five stitches or something.

Deborah:  Oh, about sixty-five stitches it was a cornea transplant.

Sid:  Ah and you only did it on one eye and eventually it healed up and you put a contact lens on it and so you could see a little bit but then you went to Africa and a man with a healing ministry prayed for you to be physically healed.  You were not physically healed but something happened in the Spirit and all of a sudden it’s as if you had spiritual vision, you could see what was going on in the invisible world.  And on yesterday’s broadcast you could see the evil and you could see the good, when you press in and ask God to show you like for instance if you’re praying for someone’s health, sometimes you can, not sometimes I guess every time you can see if you’re pressing in what is going on in the person’s life.  Do you always tell the people what’s going on?

Deborah:  No, sometimes; I tell if the Lord says to tell, let’s say someone ask me to come and pray for their back and when I go and when I start praying for their back because they are having back pain I see their heart instead of their back and their heart has a big tear in it, that’s what it looks like to me.  So I will then say to them, well the Lord knows about your back, but He wants to deal with your heart first and that there’s a wounding in your heart that’s causing you to not be able be at peace. God wants this for you so we need to take care of your heart issue first and then God will take care your healing.  And usually they just start to cry and they start talking about what it was that what it was that was wounded in their heart and we deal with that issue.  And then if after that then I see that the Lord wants to heal and then I’ll start praying for the physical healing to go with that.

Sid:    You know you told me something that is so amazing to me Debra, that since you see in the spirit realm you almost are like an actor on a stage you see the angels, you know what they’re up to by the way they are dressed etcetera, and then you just speak out loud what you see going on in the spirit.

Deborah:  Right.

Sid:  Can you give me an example?

Deborah:  It’s not well, it’s not me at all I can just again see someone’s heart and I also say “Lord is this something You want me to share with that person or is it something You want me to keep quiet?”  I’m just a servant of the Lord I don’t think what I have is anything so spectacular; I think everyone, I think God wants everyone to be able to see in the spirit realm.  We’re citizens of heaven, we eternal citizens from the moment that we’re saved. So why wouldn’t we want to, why wouldn’t we be able to see, hear, sense, feel in the realm that’s our natural realm, which is the spirit realm?

Sid:  But what I meant is sometimes you see what the angels are about ready to do and you actually release them through your words.

Deborah:  Hmm, hum they sometimes come with big jars, they look like pitchers and they are filled with an anointing. So I know that could be healing anointing, but it also could be anointing for service or for a spiritual gift.  It could be an anointing for promotion in the spirit realm and so I will partner with that angel in order to release that particular anointing on the person that it’s supposed to be released with.

Sid:  You know in scripture it talks about the angels move on our words, have you seen that happen?

Deborah:  Angels will only obey the Lord but they will come down and if you are the authority in that meeting then you have the authority to release them to do what they’ve come to do.  You can’t, I can’t just call an angel and say come and bring this, that’s for the Lord to do, God does that He sends His angels.  But when they come I can partner with them to do what they’re supposed to do. They need me to partner with them.  God doesn’t do things on this earth unless people partner with Him, that’s our freewill; He’s given that to us.  So the angels are not going to come and do anything unless we will partner with them.

Sid:  So are you telling me that if you really press in you have insight into anyone you meet?

Deborah:  Generally yes although I don’t press into everyone so I can’t say everyone.

Sid:  And what do you mean by press in by the way?

Deborah:  What I mean is I just I’m a person who has a body, I have a mind, I have emotions, I have all of these things, but I also am a spirit and about fifteen years ago the Lord said, “You need to change the way you think and you need to think as if you are a spirit that just happens to have a body and a mind and emotions for this period of time. Instead of thinking I am a body and emotions and mind everything goes through that first.  So it’s a transition into being that in the spirit realm more than you are in the natural.  Obviously these are things that are very hard to describe with words.

Sid:  No, you’re doing a pretty good job; tell me about the time you went to West Africa last year and you were interceding and you noticed a gentleman came and sat next to you.  Tell me about that.

Deborah:  I was assigned by the Lord and by the people that I was with to do intercession for that particular service and it was our team was sitting in the front row or this very large African church.  There were about 4,000 people I think there, it was the largest church in that country and no one else was sitting with us, and all of a sudden I noticed that there was an African gentleman sitting to my  right and when I looked at him he looked at me and he spoke to me in perfect English, not perfect English, English that I would  understand, American English, United States English which was very unusual and he said to me, “You can go anywhere in the heavenliest that you want to go” and I was so involved in intercession I just said, “Okay thanks.”  And I kept praying throughout the rest of the service and didn’t really process what he was saying.  At the end of the service I looked at him and he said it again, the same way “You can go anywhere in the Heavenlies that you choose to go, you have open access.”  All of a sudden I realized that this was it felt like it was an angel manifesting as a man, it looked like a man but it was an angel.  So I grabbed a hold of my daughter and I said, “Take a picture of me with this man.”  And he was gone after that, I mean she took the picture and then all of a sudden he was gone I was going to ask somebody “Who is this?”  And nobody seems to know who that particular person was.

Sid:  Well, more important than that, assuming that was an angel and that was a true word, were you able to go to Heaven?

Deborah:  Yes. (Laughing)

Sid:  How long did you have to wait until it happened?

Deborah:  Actually I had been in places in the Heavenlies before that but this total access pass if you will, and I don’t mean to name if something that’s silly, but this total access pass meant that anytime I wanted to go into the Heavenlies rather than when God moves me there.  I had been in the Heavenlies before but it was when God took me there in deep intense intercession.  Now I can go into that intercession and prayer and walk into the Heavenlies with His blessing anytime I choose to. I don’t know it that makes sense.

Sid:  It sounds wonderful to me but let me ask you this “What do you accomplish when you go into the Heavenlies, what’s going on?  Why is it beneficial?

Deborah:  If I go into the throne room I can sit at the feet of the Father and just worship and just be in His presence and love Him and if I go elsewhere I can actually pray in the Heavenlies for what God wants to happen on the earth.  And sometimes I can look down and see the earth and see certain things that He’s highlighting, then I make that my prayer focus.  For me the whole reason to go into the Heavenlies is to do what Jesus is doing there now and has been doing for the last 2000 years and that is to intercede.

Sid:  You pretty much have spent your life being hidden, but God has been telling you lately that it’s time for you to go to the next point. Just out of curiosity you have a house congregation in your house, are you the only one that goes to the Heavenlies and has these visions or do others in your house group?

Deborah:  Others can see in the spirit not as openly, some people can sense in the spirit or they sense the angel is there by senses or maybe hot or something hot on the side of their face or a tingling.  Some people can see certain things, everyone is at a different…

Sid:  But you know what the main thing is that everyone in your group is hungry for greater intimacy with God.

Deborah:  Yeah.

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