Sid Roth

Sid:  My guest, Kathie Walters, our subject; angels.  So missed understood does everyone have an angel, does every believer or does every non-believer even have an angel?

Kathie:  I know that every believer has an angel assigned to them and that the angel stays with them all the time he never leaves them.  You see it’s not God suddenly doing something, it’s us getting tuned into the spirit realm and believing that is our inheritance.

Sid:  Now do angels look like us?

Kathie:  Yes.

Sid:  Now does my angel look like me?

Kathie:  Yes, he can look like you; I have some awesome stories about that.

Sid:  Tell me one.

Kathie:  Okay, I have a friend he’s a prophet and before he was quite full time he would occasionally go work with our building crew and one night he was in the motel.  They were all staying in a motel and there was a bunch of really rowdy workers in the next room to him.  And he was trying to pray and wait upon the Lord and he said “Lord I can’t pray with these people screaming and shouting and yelling.”  So it suddenly went very very quiet in the next room and the next morning when he went out they were kind of looking at him sideways you know.  So he thought, what’s wrong with them, and so my friend said, “What’s wrong with you why aren’t you talking to me?”  They said, “Well, you kind of scared us.”  And he said, “I scared you.”  They said, “When you came to our room and told us to be quiet and you had this authority and we all went to bed.”  So his angel went on his behalf and told them all to be quiet, but they thought it was him.

Sid:  You know in your CD’s and book you talk a lot about this, but you mentioned something even before that, you said, “That if we’re turned into our angel.”  How does someone that’s not tuned into their angel get tuned in?”

Kathie:  Well, like I said everything in the spirit realm we receive by faith; so faith is believing before we see.  Right?

Sid:  Of course,

Kathie:  So when I say the realm of the supernatural angel’s having these visitations that shouldn’t hurt you; you have to actually believe that.

Sid:  It’s almost like someone saying over and over I’ve never seen an angel, they’re in unbelief on seeing angels not realizing they’re reporting what’s happened in the natural, but not’s what’s happening in the Spirit.

Kathie:  Yes.  See the angel is there whether you can feel that or not but by faith I call it your antenna; you put your spiritual antenna up and pull the promise down. “Yes that is my inheritance; the angels are around me all the time because that’s the truth; that’s what God said.”  But also people have a funny little fear about angels because the things they’ve heard.  So sometimes if you talk about angels someone will say, “Oh, you mustn’t worship angels.”  And they have this fear that we are going to start worshipping angels.  But God’s angels don’t let you worship them.  There is not really an issue because if an angel came into your room and wanted you to worship him I think you would know that he wasn’t from God.

Sid:  Of course, now do angels ever tell you what to preach?

Kathie:  Yes, they do sometimes, yeah.

Sid:  And out of curiosity how clear when they speak to you how clear are they?

Kathie:  Okay, one angle that comes to my meeting, sometimes he draws a picture on the floor.  That’s why I sit down during the worship because sometimes he draws a picture on the floor for me and I usually get a scripture to go with it.  He doesn’t tell me everything to preach, but I usually I know that’s got to be some of the theme.  Or else I stand up and he’ll suddenly nudge me and give me a scripture or just say something to me.  Or sometimes he’ll come in the middle of when I’ve already starting preaching.  I have something interesting happen when I was in New Zealand last year and then the same angel that came there I’ve seen now in America for times.

Sid:  Tell me that story.

Kathie:  Okay, I was speaking in a church in New Zealand, the angel that usually talks to me about what to preach was half-way sitting down.  But another angel came into the back of the meeting and he was dressed in blue, turquoise and whites and he had like a cloth over his arm like a maitre d in a restaurant you know like a waiter?  And he suddenly came and stood next to me and the Lord said to me, “He’s waiting” he looked like a waiter.  So I said, “What is her waiting for?” And the Lord said, “To take people’s order.”  And the first angle, that’s usually in my meeting was smiling and the Lord said to me, “Then you showed everyone the menu because I just held out my Bible.”  So that angel came to take people’s order that night things that God had put on their heart and then he came in many meetings in New Zealand.  Since I’ve come back in America he’s suddenly appeared in four or five meetings to take people’s order.

Sid:  Now when he appears do you sense he’s there or do you know that he’s there?

Kathie:  I kind of, see I believe as you start to believe in the spirit realm and this is your inheritance and this is for you, what you maybe begin to see in a vision get stronger and stronger and in the end when people say,“Did you see that in the spirit or did you see see see that?” I say “I don’t know,” because sometimes I can’t tell the difference.  The spirit realm can come so strong that you really don’t know the difference.

Sid:  Now, you say in your book that angels can be funny, explain.

Kathie:  Yes, or they can, angels are very clever with words and actually angels hate religious spirits because religious spirits distorts the nature of God.  So I’ve seen angels in meetings playing with people, tickling people.  I’ve had even an angel come make faces at me to make me laugh, when it was heavy, because they’ll do what they can to get rid of the religious spirit’s that are holding on to people’s minds.

Sid:  You know, I have seen an angel tickle little children.

Kathie:  Yes.

Sid:  You know its one thing when an adult starts laughing and you wonder are they making it up or not.  But just out of the blue a little child just lays on the floor on their back and just is, you can see they’re being tickled all over there body.  It’s the most amazing thing.

Kathie:  Yeah, that’s to break them in, see that laughter is what I call like God’s atheistic and I believe a lot of people that are maybe sitting in a chair or floor laughing and laughing and sometimes the angels come and do that.  But they often find they get delivered from things, sickness, and mindsets you know.  But if there’s time on this show I have another story to illustrate that.

Sid:  Go ahead.

Kathie:  When I was in Australia there was a lady in the meeting and she sat right back next to the door, she almost had her hand on the door.  And I thought, “Why is she sitting back there?” But she said to someone else, “If that lady,” meaning me “Puts one step in my direction I’m leaving,” because she was terrified of me because I represented the supernatural you see so she was ready to run.  All of a sudden I looked back and this lady is laughing and falling off her chair and getting back on her chair and falling off her chair.  And she said, “What happened was these strangers went back there and they started playing with her and got tugging her hair and tickling her.”  And so she lost all her fear of the supernatural completely and came right into the move of God.  So they just went back there to break her fear and because like I said people have such weird concepts.

Sid:  Tell me about the time you were walking with an angel that told you the future for a number of houses in that neighborhood where you were walking.

Kathie:  Oh yeah, I was in Ohio visiting a friend and she had said she’s very athletic and she said, “Would you like to go for a run.”  And I said, “No, you run, I’ll walk.”  So I walk around her neighborhood, a beautiful neighborhood of about six houses.  And as I began to walk this angel steps into the pathway and begin to walk with me and as we walked around the neighborhood he told me about the people in the houses.  I remember him saying, “This couple in this house is going to leave and move to California and the people that are going to come here are Christians and they will help this little church down the road.”  Anyway he told me about each house when my friend came back we wrote everything down and in a year we checked and everything that he told me has happened.  When he told me those things she started to, my friend started you know to pray for her neighborhood more specifically.

Sid Roth:  You also have a lot of stories about supernatural protection from angels, what feedback are you getting from people that either attend your seminar.  And of course our two CD set is like attending your seminar; because at your seminar people even smell perfume from angels.

Kathie:  Yeah, well especially when I start to pray for people and you can smell the angels in the room, but there’s different manifestations and all the manifestations mean something.  For example, the weekend at my conference all across the front row there came found somebody walked pass me and everyone begin to smell an aroma like sweet apples.  You know she’s says the Beloved’s breathe smells like sweet apples.  And then over in one corner there was aroma like strawberries and then Bob Jones tells me that the strawberries represent friendship with God.  I have a whole list of aromas which I can send you, but all these things are speaking to you, speaking to people.  God speaks through the word, He speaks through His prophets and teachers, but He speaks through the manifestations too and the manifestation is the angels.  I believe it’s just getting stronger and stronger.

Sid:  My guest is red hot for the Messiah, his name is Don Dickerman.  I’m speaking to him at his home in Bedford Texas.  He’s a Baptist minister that went into over 850 prisons over a twenty year period, saw thousand of inmates saved, but they kept going back to prison.  Genuinely born-again saved people it was like they went in one door and then came in the other door.  And he got so frustrated one day, he just broke down sobbing in his bed and he said, “Lord make me a deliverer and he didn’t even understand what he was praying because he didn’t have a grid for the supernatural being a Baptist minister.  But a prophecy came upon him and he had never heard a prophecy before, and then when he started speaking people at every service started getting healed.  He didn’t even know how to pray for anyone, he didn’t pray for anyone to be healed.  But it’s just the presence of God started pouring out of him and also in this vision that he had there was oil coming out of him for people to be set free of anything that’s unclean.  And so I asked him, “How in the world, I understand how you got into the healing ministry because you had nothing to do with it, but in affect Don Dickerman, I think you had nothing to do with it when you got into the deliverance ministry either.

Don:  Oh yeah, that’s for sure, that was not something I was looking for.

Sid:  I mean, you had set up an appointment to pray for a female inmate and experience man in deliverance was going to show up, they didn’t show up.  You’re stuck what did you do, call it off?

Don:  No, you know I thought about it, you know I was in Canada and she was there and she did the story about this lady Sid is that she was a former satan worshipper and was raised in a satanic home and with all kinds of ritualistic abuse and it’s a long story.  Probably by far the most dramatic deliverance I have ever had was my first one.  But it was a situation where she had been saved in prison and that night that I preached there she came at the altar call and basically begged for the deliverance knowing she had demons.  So we were there, we made arrangements through the prison and they gave us a conference room, actually where a meeting room with other staff and it was just me and…

Sid:  Out of curiosity what made her think that she needed deliverance?

Don:  Oh, well, she worshipped demons, she knew, she knew what she was dealing with.  She was actually the head of a demonic cult in Ontario that’s actually worldwide, the occult called the Brotherhood, she was being groomed she said to be the bride of Lucifer and it’s another area.

Sid:  So she got saved and she knew she needed to get rid of that excess baggage.

Don:  Yeah, and she was tormented.  Well, as with virtually everyone, the doorways are different but a lot of hers had to do with unforgiveness toward her parents and the people who had done some of the abuse to her.  But we worked through that over a few months and when I got there I was expecting to sit in with this minister and pray and hopefully learn something but it was not my intention to do it.  And she was so excited about being free, and I told her, I said, “Kathy I’m going to do what Jesus did, I’m going to bind demon spirits and I’m going to command them to leave you.”  Well, it got real tense, the look in her eyes I don’t think I had ever seen that much evil in anyone’s eyes right before we started and I felt you know some fear trying to come over me, but there was a strong anointing and I just rebuked it and immediately no fear.  But as I began to bind demons she trembled and so it was obvious they were present and I commanded them to reveal their name.  In the scripture that kept coming to my mind was Jesus said, “Who are you,” to the Gerasene and so that’s what I commanded, “Who are you?”  And they began to give me names through her voice, but as I would get the names, I just bound them commanded them to leave her and they did.  And so it was about a three hour process and like I said, it was the most dramatic of any that I’ve had.  Most of them are just not much more than prayer.  But I remember walking out of that prison that day and I had a red Bible in my hand and I stood on the steps of that prison and held the Bible up high over my head and said, “Yes, yes in the name of Jesus, yes!”  And from that experience we’ve had probably 25,000 deliverances since then.

Sid:  Well, Don let’s just go back to the woman that you were talking about I believe was Kathy, what happened to her?  Did she get out of prison, did she stay out?

Don:  Actually after the deliverance we stayed in touch with her and sent her materials and encouraging letters and so on.  And put her in touch with some people there in Kingston, Ontario and Kathy was released from prison maybe a couple of years after that deliverance, she has been out since the whole time.

Sid:  But there are people that listening to us right now and they are saying, “Kathy was a Christian, how could she have a demon?  What would you your answer be?

Don:  You know that’s my number one question is how can you have the Holy Spirit and also have a demon?  And that’s a good valid question; it’s one that I’ve struggled with.  But you know Sid obvious this is something you know.   Everyone that Jesus dealt with virtually everyone that he dealt with were believers, they were Jewish believers so every believer can have a demon or any believer can have a demon living in the soulish area or in the flesh.  Not in the spirit, that’s where the Holy Spirit lives.  So but that’s some of the conflict that the Bible talks about is the flesh warring against the spirit and so on.  But we don’t even minister to the lost people in deliverance.  With lost people, we want them to be saved.

Sid:  Well, you know the analogy I like to use is can someone born again get a cold?  Can someone born again get sick?

Don:  Sure.

Sid:  And the answer is yes, and there are spirits of infirmity so that’s acceptable, why not the demonic?  Speaking of the demonic what are some of the clues that someone maybe harassed in the demonic, what are some of the areas of someone’s life to look at?  For instance in your book you have sixty symptoms of demonic attack and how to close those doors.  Won’t you tell us a few?

Don:  Well, okay the obvious things of the irrational fears, irrational anger, tormenting areas of a person’s life, nightmares, nightmares are probably a big signal although there can be other reasons and this is a difficult part is knowing whether it’s the flesh or a demon or a demon influencing the flesh.  But generally when something is in the area of torment, it’s demonic.  There are so many symptoms that also could be something else, but I think most people already know where they’re tormented, the area, or mental torment or anguish and rejection.  Rejection is such a great area of torment or worthlessness or hopelessness.  You can say depression but there are some areas that are physical depression that wouldn’t necessarily be a demon.  But this, the typical things in our questionnaire is pretty much like a medical background form where we look into the ancestry of a person, what kind of sins were in the ancestry.

Sid:  A lot of people miss that, they don’t understand what are known as generational curses that could occur four generations back, but you pay the price unless you can know how to close that door.

Don:  Yeah, and you know the verse that we get a lot with people and I never argue or try to persuade anybody about this because this is always a truth encounter.  It’s just about truth and so in the area of generational curse, I don’t have a clue what my great, great, grandparents might have been…

Sid Roth:  Tell you what; hold that thought right there because we’re going to find out how the Holy Spirit is so wonderful and someone can go through self deliverance, they can pray for others to be delivered.

Sid:  My guest is going to help so many people because she’s just published a book that we’ll be featuring all this week called “Anointing for Healing.”  And it’s a hardback and it’s a beautiful book, it contains a vial of a anointing oil and the book explains secrets of anointing oil that I think the church, very few Christians today understand the power that’s involved when you have faith in what the anointing oil stands for.  And this is one of these how to books, how to pray effectively for a healing and my guest is Melanie Hemry and I’m speaking to her at her home in Edmond, Oklahoma.  Melanie before we went on the air I asked you “What’s God showing you to tell us?”  And you talked to me about the aspect called the interaction with man and how it’s so misunderstood.

Melanie:  Yes, that’s right the Lord has shown me repeatedly and what He asked me to share with you today is that, His interaction with mankind is still the most unreported story on earth.

Sid:  You know I know all these things, but for me coming from a traditional Jewish background I look more on sovereignty and I know it’s humanistic, but I’m thinking, “Well, if God’s not going to heal me then I just won’t be healed.”  Now I don’t believe that today, but that’s what I had engrained in me and I think most people that call themselves Christians it’s engrained that, oh God will heal me if He wants to.

Melanie:  That’s the way most of us were raised, certainly.  I was raised in a denominational church that taught me to be born again and to love God and to revere the Word.  But now they taught that the same God that occasionally has a good day and heals somebody is the same one that may put cancer on you to teach you a lesson.  And I don’t believe that today either because the Word of God doesn’t support it.

Sid:  Well, let’s find out a little bit about you, you were a Registered Nurse for sixteen years and I have to tell you, I am so intrigued with life after death experiences because every one of us has to make that trip and so we want to understand it a little bit better.  Tell me some of the experiences you had as a Registered Nurse.

Melanie:  Well to be perfectly honest in my early twenties I was a believer who had walked away from the Lord and was not in church and was not living my life right.  And I was under conviction about a number of different things and the Lord just kept revealing Himself to me.  And you cannot be a Registered Nurse and not experience the power of God and see miracles; it’s your choice what you do with it.  But I had a patient that I’d taken care of for quite awhile who was a judge and he threw so many blood clots to his brain that he had three flat EEGs which is proof that he was brain dead and the doctors told his wife and the family to put him in a nursing home that he would never recover.  And they refused to do that and they stood in the circle and prayed and asked me to join them, and the truth was at that time in my life I would rather stuck needles under my fingernails.  But what do you say, of course you join them and they prayed and they asked me to go home and take care of him at home.  And on the ride home from the hospital in the ambulance in a sovereign touch of God he was miraculously healed.  And he totally recovered and went on to try astounding number of cases on the Federal Court Circuit.  So that was a huge wakeup call to me, another one was when I was doing a resuscitation on an African American Pastor, we shocked that man and we resuscitated him for so long and finally his cardiologist called and said, “That’s it thank you all very much.” And after everyone else was leaving the room a young intern said, “Let’s try one more time,” and we shocked him and he came back and he sat up in bed and he told us in detail, every word we’d spoken and everything we done in the resuscitation and the only way he could have done that is from watching from above.  There’s no way laying flat on the bed being dead you could do that; that was a wakeup call to me.  And then one day I asked the Lord, I said, “Okay, if you’re really there and You’re trying to get my attention then make it so clear to me that I can’t miss it.”  And I was working in the Intensive Care Unit, I had a patient who had a brain stem stroke and when you have a brain stem stroke no stimuli gets from the brain to anywhere in the body.  You could do anything to her body and she wouldn’t feel it because it was nothing there and I was changing her IV dressing and all of a sudden the alarm went off on her monitor and her heart had stopped.  So here’s a woman with no heartbeat with a brainstem stroke and no neurological life at all.  And I watched her eyes open; I saw her sit up in bed raise her hand in greeting as through she’s looking at an unseen stranger and with love dripping like I’ve never heard, “Jesus!”  And then she floated back to her pillow and she was gone and I knew at that moment there wasn’t a drug on earth powerful enough to get her back once she’d seen Him.  And I decided that it was time to get my heart right with the Lord.

Sid:  I would think that would do it to anyone.  Now tell me about your book “Anointing for Healing,” in your heart of hearts why did you write this book?  And I have to tell you, I’ve been interviewing people that have been healed for over thirty years, but you have managed to put together some of the most unusual verified miracles that I’ve ever seen put together in one book.

Melanie:  My coauthor Gina Lynnes and I wrote this book because God kept saying, that what His interaction with man is the most underreported story on earth.  And we wanted to try and write a book that could be understood and received by people all over who are maybe in churches or not in churches and they don’t know what He’s doing.

Sid:  Is that why you made it, it’s a hard back but it’s such a beautiful cover, it’s one that people would put on a coffee table.

Melanie:  Yes, Bob Whitaker was very much, this was a project out of his heart and it was very much a combination between him and Gina and me.  And he wanted that cover to be beautiful and for the anointing of God to be revered.

Sid:  Now have you had much feedback on this book yet?

Melanie:  You know the people that have read this book have been writing to us and there was one woman who wrote to us and she had given birth to a son with Down syndrome.  And she said, “That she ordered the book because she wanted to understand about anointing oil and she said she got it and she read it and she said, “I didn’t know that healing was part of our redemption, I didn’t know any of that.’’  And we’ve just been getting cards and letters from people whose lives have been changed by the stories in the book.

Sid:  You know we’re going to have some of these stories, actually the people themselves telling their stories.  For instance on tomorrow’s broadcast we’re going to have the women that was healed of Lou Gehrig’s disease, ALS.  That is such; I mean I’ve known people that have died from Lou Gehrig’s disease in fact it is a death sentence; tell me some thoughts you have about her.

Melanie:  Wendy Moore was a young mother in her, wife and mother in her twenties who was an Emergency Medical Technian that road in ambulances and had a baby and she would get these strange things where she would be on the floor playing with the child and move her legs to get up and the single didn’t through and she couldn’t stand.  Or she’d be doing fine and then she could walk up the steps or she couldn’t lift a stretcher.  And in 2001 at the University of Michigan she was diagnosed with Lou Gehrig’s disease and they told her that 50% of the patients that are diagnosed survive two to five years.  And that she was so far advanced she would soon be on full disability.

Sid:  Now, from what I understand is eventually your body shuts down and you can’t breathe and then you die.

Melanie:  That’s exactly right and one of things they told her is, what’s going to start happening is these situations that your in is your going to get worse and you’ll start tripping and falling.  And so Wendy’s case she had an Aunt who had heard the gospel involves healing and that she had gone to a Bible School and learned what the Word of God has to say, the promises of God for healing.  And she told Wendy, she goes “You don’t have to die of this.”

Sid Roth:  By the way, that’s a word for someone that’s listening to us right now, “You do not have to die, God says “I want you to live and proclaim the works, you shall not die you will live and proclaim the works of the Lord.”  And no matter how hopeless your situation, I have to believe that you wrote this book, not just for the hopeless people, but for anyone that is sick of anything, I mean it really is a how to manual.

Melanie:  Yes.  There’s also someone out there whose facing a knee replacement and God is touching their knee right now and it’s being miraculously healed and they will not need that surgery.

Sid:  We want everyone everywhere to be red hot for the Messiah.  And we want everyone everywhere not to miss the return of the Messiah; there’s so many different views.  But my guest Mark Blitz says there’s something missing from most of these view.  It’s the same thing that’s missing from most of the church and that is the Biblical appointments that God says to observe forever because He calls them My Feasts.  And we learned over the last few days that the word Feasts in the Hebrew means my appointments.  So these are not just Jewish Feasts, not just biblical Feasts, these are God’s Feasts or God’s appointments.  And Pastor Mark Blitz why does God say to observe these Feasts forever?

Mark:  Well, I think that the reason that God wants us to observe these Feasts forever is because these are His Feasts and His word is forever; and He wants us to be aware of what’s coming and that’s why these are rehearsals.  His first coming was all rehearsals, that’s what these were.  And I believe His Second Coming; all the Feasts, the fall Feasts are rehearsals just for that and so He wants us to connect with Him.

Sid:  On yesterdays broadcast you were talking about how these Feasts predict the exact day even, the exact hour of the events of His First Coming.  How would you have liked to have been a Jewish person and snuck into a dress rehearsal of the First Coming of Jesus?  Hah, better yet how would you like to be alive today and sneak into a dress rehearsal of His return?  I imagine you’d throw away a lot of the books on end times that you’re reading these days.  Mark, tell us a bit about His First Coming and how that was prophesied to the very hour.

Mark:  Sure, I think that’s so important for us to understand.  The Lord said, that He wanted them to keep the Passover forever and the reason why, these were dress rehearsals.  Every year on Passover they went through the binding of the Passover lamb, the slaying of the Passover lamb at three in the afternoon the time of the evening sacrifice.  And that’s exactly, they were rehearing the event that would come 1500 years later when Messiah not only died on the Feast of Passover, but he was bound on the very time of the morning sacrifice.  He died at the very time of the evening sacrifice, and then on the Feast of the Unleavened Bread here He is the Matza, He’s the unleavened bread, and then three days later on the Jewish Feast of the First Fruits He rises from the dead on the Feast of First Fruits.  And then they have what’s called the counting of the Omer, and it leads right up to Shavuot or Pentecost.  Many Christians think Pentecost began in Acts not realizing the Jews in Deuteronomy 16:16 were commanded to keep that Feast.  And here if you remember Peter said, “These men aren’t drunk it’s the third hour of the day.”  Well, that’s 9:00 in the morning, time of the morning sacrifice on the Feast of Pentecost, that’s why all these Jews were in Jerusalem in Acts because they were required to be there.  Because God wanted them to see His First Coming and that’s why He’s wanting the Jews to Alliyah and get back the land because He wants them there for His Second Coming.

Sid:  And we’re going to talk about it because you discuss each one of the feasts in the four DVD series, “The Feasts of the Lord.”  One of the things that’s so amazing to me is the Talmud tells us something very supernatural that happened forty years before the destruction of the Temple, about the year 30AD, tell us what the Talmud shows.

Mark:  Yeah, it’s just amazing here the temple was destroyed in 70AD and the Talmud records that forty years before, which would put it right at 30AD when Messiah died.  They said, these four ominous events all took place right before the Temple’s destruction.  The High Priest would have two lots that would determine which goat would be for the Lord and which goat would be led out to the wilderness to be thrown over a cliff.  Well, the lot for the Lord’s goat would come up in the left hand, and that was a horrible sign because before the lot for the Lord should always come up in the High Priests right hand.  And then the other thing the Talmud records is they had tied a scarlet thread to the goats that was taken out to the wilderness and they also tied a scarlet thread to the door of the Temple.  Well, on Yom Kippur, if everything went well the scarlet thread on the Temple would supernaturally turn white and that’s how they knew that their sins were forgiven and that’s based on Isaiah 1:18 where it says, “Though your sins be as crimson they should be white as snow.”  Well, low and behold forty years before the Temple was destroyed the scarlet thread its recorded stopped turning white.  And then also the western most light on the Temple menorah in the Holy Place it just wouldn’t stay lit it kept going out.  And then finally the last thing the Temple doors would open all by themselves, these Temple doors, people don’t realize, were 75’ high, 7 1/2 story doors.  And you’ll see that they said they were like 25 ½ feet wide and it took 25 men to open the doors they were so big and heavy.  And yet all of a sudden these doors supernaturally would begin to open all by themselves.  And the Talmud records it was based on a verse in Zechariah Chapter 11 verse 1 where it says “Open your doors oh Lebanon that the fire may devour your cedars.”  And the Temple had a lot of cedar in it and they saw it meant destruction was coming and so all these supernatural events are recorded in the Talmud.

Sid:  But what occurred at approximately the year 30AD to show God’s dissatisfaction with what’s going on in the Temple?

Mark:  Well, I think we know it, it was the Messiah; He had died in 30 AD right at that time.

Sid:   Isn’t it amazing coincidence it’s at 30 AD; isn’t it amazing coincidence that everything to the day showed the First Coming of Jesus in the Jewish Biblical Feasts?

Mark:  Yes, it is totally amazing; I think that it shows it’s a supernatural sign from God.  I mean God always wants to communicate with His people on His Feasts days and He does everything He can to get His word out.

Sid:  Oh, tell us some more exact hours and dates the things happened.

Mark:   Yes, one of the most amazing things to me is John Chapter 7.  And in John Chapter 7 it talks about how it was the Feast of Tabernacles it brings it up.  And then toward the end most people remember that’s when Jesus stood up and He said, “If any man thirsts, let him come after Me” as the scripture says and out of his belly shall flow rivers of Living Water.  Well the amazing thing to me is what was going on in the Temple; the Talmud records all of this and that’s why it was so amazing for both Jews and Christians if they go the Talmud they would see exactly what was going on during the Feast of Tabernacles.  And because there was like Josephus said 2 ½ million people there, they divided the twenty-four courses of priests into three groups of eight.  And one group, all they would do was slaughter all the sacrifices because everyone was bringing sacrifices.  But the amazing thing on the south side at the water gate and the High Priest with his Assistant would go south down by the City of David by the Pool of Siloam because the Pool of Siloam had Living Water.  And He would fill this Living Water into a gold pitcher and his Assistant had a silver pitcher filled with wine; so here wine represents blood.  So here we have living water and the blood and they’re marching in this huge procession with hundreds of thousands of people on either side like there is this big parade and event while the High Priest and his Assistant are going back up into the Watergate back up into the Temple.  And they literally would pour the water and the wine onto the altar and while they’re doing that at the same time simultaneously another group of priests would go out the Beautiful Gate or the Eastern Gate.  And the Talmud records that they would go down to the Motza Valley and they would grab willow branches that were like 30’ long and there would be rows and rows and rows of priests thirty 30’ apart with these big giant willow branches and they would wave them.  And in step with the High Priest coming up the south side these priests would be going up the eastern side and when you can imagine all these gigantic willow branches waving and rustling in the breeze; the Hebrew word for wind is Ruach which is also translated as Spirit.  So here going up to the eastern side of the Temple you can hear the wind of God, or the Spirit of God coming up to the Temple.  On the other side you have the Living Water coming up to the Temple and when they both got to their respective gates there would be a flute player who would play the flute and the flute player was known as the Pierced One.  So here we have the Pierced One who’s calling for the Spirit, the wind and the water to enter into the Temple.  And then they would go into the Temple and the priest would march like a Jericho march around the altar once every day, but on the seventh day and this is what John records in the Gospels; that on the last day the seventh day of the Feast; here they’re doing this Jericho march around and that is when it says Jesus stood out and cried!  Well, the amazing thing is that again they would always sing the Hallel, which is Psalms 113 through Psalms 118.  And so what…

Sid:  The Stone that the builder’s has rejected has become the Chief Cornerstone; if that’s not amazing I don’t know that is.

Mark:  Exactly, exactly and the other thing they sing is “The Lord is my strength and my song and He has become my salvation.”  Well the Hebrew word for salvation is “Yeshua,” which is also very interesting.  But in…

Sid:  So the Lord has become my Jesus, is that what you’re saying?

Mark:  Ha-ha, exactly, exactly and then the other thing that is so amazing to me is it also says this, and it’s from Exodus 15 where Miriam says “The Lord is my strength and my song.” you know “When He has become my salvation!  Well, the Talmud records they also think from Isaiah 12, it says “Behold God is my salvation I will trust and will not be afraid, for the Lord Jehovah is the strength and my song; He has become my Yeshua; therefore with joy will you draw water from the wells of Yeshua.”  And right when they sang, “With joy will you draw water from the wells of Yeshua, that’s when He shouted out, “Yes,” as the scripture says, “He who comes to Me out His belly will flow wells of Living Water.”

Sid Roth:  Mishpochah there’s such richness that has been stolen from you…