Sid Roth

Sid: I was interviewing Matt Sorger and we started talking about his mother and I said, “Could you put her on the phone?”  “Because Veronica, I believe that you have to share is going to help so many people right now.  When Matt was about twelve years of age, you became sick, and not just sick very sick you went to doctors, they couldn’t help you.  You went to alternative health people, they couldn’t help you, then you resorted to things like Hinduism and Buddhism and New Age, but instead of getting better, what happened to you?”

Veronica: Well, I actually grew worse and worse and it was like I was on a journey looking for a way that God would not only heal me, but it actually originated with a desire in my heart to find out how God would heal people here on earth.  That’s when my journey began and during that journey I became very ill.

Sid: And of course, you got to the point where your bed ridden and towards the end of 1986 your mother invited you to a church service and you tried everything else so you go to this church; you’re in the back of the church and what happened?

Veronica: Well, I was extremely broken there was no pride, I was as broken as any person could be and I was calling out for the mercy of God and He would heal me because there was no man, there was no medicine, there was not even any religious forms that was able to help me so I just totally threw myself on His mercy.

Sid: And what happened to you?

Veronica: Well, the Priest asked everyone to come up who needed prayer for healing so I actually had never heard of the power of God coming on anyone, I had never seen it or experienced it myself so my mind understanding was just that the Priest would pray for me and that would be it and I was actually in a place of more hope.  The scripture I went there on is “Come to me, although weary and burdened and I will rest for your soul.”  I didn’t really have an awareness of any healing scriptures at that point.  And when the Priest went to anoint me with oil, he never really was able to get the oil on me because I was overshadowed by this incredible power that literally threw me back through the air.  And I hit the floor and while I was on the floor, there was charges and volts of electricity flowing through every part of my body.  And the amazing thing was that I was in place of euphoria, I always tell people that it was very difficult to describe it but it was totally euphoric, bliss, peace and first I knew that I had found God.  And secondly the place was such an incredible experience that it’s difficult to put it in words that I have often wondered if the Lord had said to me, “Would you like to be here if I wouldn’t have said yes, because there is just nothing on the face of this earth to compare to the place that I was experiencing while I was laying there on the floor with all these volts of electricity flowing through me.

Sid: Now I understand the power was so strong that when it first hit you, it threw you back, how far would you say?

Veronica: I would say easily it threw me back perhaps ten feet.

Sid: Did you hurt yourself?

Veronica: Well, actually not at that time, I was at such a place of where it was actually beautiful I didn’t feel any hurt or anything at all.

Sid: I mean what a jolt of power!

Veronica: Yeah, but the very next day I actually had trouble turning my neck and when I asked the Lord, I was so innocent in my faith and so childlike that I just simply said to my Father in heaven, “You hurt me when you did that to me, could you please take it away?”  And instantly, instantly as the words came out of my mouth it totally left and I was healed.

Sid: Well, this made such an impression on Matt, that as a result of you being healed it transformed his life.  Just out of curiosity, what kind of kid was he before he became a believer in the Messiah?

Veronica: Well, Matt was always a very good child, actually an exceptionally good child, very bright and even as a young boy when we would go to church at times, as a Catholic I didn’t go faithfully, but he loved it.  He would actually was eager to go, there was something in Matt at a very young age that he was just drawn very very easily to the Lord.

Sid: Hi Matt, now when your mother was healed it had an effect on you, tell me what effect did it have?

Matt: Yeah when, the night that my Mom got healed and she came home from that Catholic Healing Mass, she walked into the front door and she looked like a totally different person.  She was bright, she was happy, she was smiling for the first time in two years and instantly I knew that something dramatic had happened and I asked her and I said, “What happened to you?”  She said, “Jesus healed me tonight.”  And began just to tell me about God and the reality of Jesus and how He stepped into her life that night and within a day I was giving my heart to Jesus.  And it was strange what happened to me as she was talking to me about Jesus all of sudden inside of my spirit or inside of myself I received an awareness of sin which I did not have up until that point; all of a sudden I could feel the sin that was there.

Sid: And yet your Mom just said you are a pretty good kid before you were saved.

Matt: Ha-ha, you know I guess I was a good kid, but even if you’re a good person there’s still sin in the heart.  Even if you are a really good person, everyone needs to be forgiven because no one is perfect.  So, but I became aware of the sin nature, I became aware of the element of sin that was there and I knew I needed forgiveness and that’s what led me, that day to salvation in Christ.  I saw what happened with my Mom, but then the Holy Spirit personally touched my heart.

Sid: Okay, so that was about age fourteen, but then here’s the thing I don’t understand, help me out Matt; at fifteen you would go into, I was involved, when I first became a believer I would go to what was called the Catholic Charismatic Movement because that was the only Charismatic that was available at that time and I would feel the presence of God, but then when I would worship by myself I wouldn’t feel that same degree of anointing.  Did you find that was also true with you?

Matt: That, that’s exactly what happened to me, when we started to go to church well at that point we encountered God, my parents found a good Spirit filled Bible teaching church we started attending.  During the corporate meetings at church I would feel this amazing presence of God during the worship time, then I would come home and I would go into my room and have my own private time where I would talk to God and I wouldn’t feel His presence at all, it was very different for me something on the inside of me started to rise up where I said, “Lord or God I want to experience Your presence one on one not just when I’m at church.”  And I wanted more of God, then one day a week in a Sunday morning church service yep.

Sid: And but here’s the thing I don’t get, you knew nothing, like me when I got saved, I came from a traditional Jewish background, you came from a Catholic background, we both knew nothing.  But you would take about an hour a day and worship the Lord whether you felt anything or not.

Matt: Yeah.

Sid: What caused you to do that?  That’s what I don’t get?

Matt: It’s true, you know I think I just got so hungry for God, it wasn’t something that came from somebody telling me to do it, it just came out of my Spirit, I think God was calling me, He was drawing me and there was a hunger in me for Him that I wanted…

Sid: What would you do?  What would you do?  Would you play music?

Matt: I would go into my room and I would, well back then we had cassette tapes.

Sid: In the olden days. Okay ha-ha.

Matt: I would put my little tape recorder on and I had this one Hosanna worship CD and I would play it and I would let the music play in my room and I would sing just like we would sing at church.  And I would spend about an hour doing this; I would just let the whole tape play through both sides.

Sid: Every day?

Matt: Every day.

Sid: Okay, you finally reached what you call a saturation point, what do you mean by that?

Matt: Yeah, I remember the moment it happened; I’m standing in my room, fifteen years old about fourteen fifteen and I’m lifting my hands up singing a song I probably sung hundreds of times before and then all of a sudden to me it felt like heaven opened up over me and this anointing, this presence this tangible presence of God’s glory filled me and then filled the whole room.  And I believe as I reflect on what happened was, you know my spirit was sealed with the Holy Spirit when I got saved; but then as I kept pressing in worship, no matter what my soul felt or my body felt, because the Holy Spirit was still in my spirit man, but as I kept pressing in and worshipping a well was being dug out of my spirit in my spirit that eventually overflowed into my soul, overflowed into my body.  I call that the saturation point which means you just spend so much time in God’s presence that he just overflows out of your spirit into your soul which is your emotion, your body and then that is when your senses begin to feel His presence.

Sid: How long did it take for that to happen in your life?

Matt: Oh, for me it was about I would say about four months that I just worshipped.

Sid: And then, after it happened every time you would worship you would feel that abundance of the Spirit?

Matt: Yeah, it was like once that breakthrough happened it was there. 

Sid: You know what I believe the people that are listening to us right now are about ready to have a breakthrough in their life because you’ve got a brand new book and it’s called “Power for Life.”  And when you were writing this book I understand you had a visitation for three nights of angels.  Did you actually see them, did you feel them?

Matt: I felt them very strongly, as I was sitting at the table writing, reviewing you know the last words of the manuscript; the manuscript was due that week and I pulled a whole week where I was writing, writing, writing.  And the last three nights as I was there an angel came behind me and I could feel his presence behind me and his hand on my shoulder.  And as I was writing and reviewing the manuscript that angel stayed with me for three nights as I finished the manuscript.

Sid: Well, Mishpochah I understand why, when you read this book you’re going to learn how to plug into the power of God, how to pull your future into the now.  There will be no more waiting for answers; I know that’s what you want…pull your future into the now; that’s what you need.