May, 2011 | Sid Roth

Sid: That ancient spiritual Jewish DNA is finally comingling with the Gentile Christian spiritual DNA to make the full dwelling place for God. That’s why miracles are increasing with such intensity. I believe the Messiah is getting ready to return and one of the keys in understanding the return of the Messiah is to understand Israel from a spiritual viewpoint of the repercussions of everything God is doing with natural Israel now has repercussions on the church repercussions on the end times. And that’s why I invited my good friend, Rabbi Michael Zeitler to talk about his brand new book called “Why is Israel Supernatural, the Eagle the Lion and Miracles.” Why did you come up with that title Michael?

Michael: Because it’s true, it’s the miracles of God that have proven themselves from time and memorial concerning Israel. The Eagle represents the United States; the Lion represents the Lion of Judah, Israel; and the miracles that have taken place over the centuries and even before when Israel was a country that was established under the blessing of Abraham and then through Joshua and the twelve tribes clearly states that it is His land and it is His hand that is upon that land.

Sid: But you know the thing that I’m finding fascinating and since we’re good friends and you call me often after you have a chance to speak about the miracles of Israel and blow the shofar, there’s a magnitude of the miraculous to a level that you’ve never seen before. For instance, tell me about the time you blew the shofar recently and how many deaf people had their ears open?

Michael: Yeah Sid, I was in a city in Peru and the Lord directed me to blow the shofar, I didn’t prep anybody, say anything to anybody I just blew the shofar and this was after talking about the fig tree and the last days and the fig tree is the nation of Israel and that Yeshua said to watch the season. You’ll know the seasons when the fig tree is ready to bring forth fruit and explained it in detail because these people don’t even read the Old Testament, the majority. And so they really did not understand, but when God specifically said through Holy Spirit to blow the shofar, I blew it and afterwards I made a statement through my interpreter that the Lord had said that he opened up the ears of the death when the high note of the shofar was sounded. And I asked if those that had that happen to them and their deafness or partial hearing had been restored would come forward and twelve people came forward to testify that their ears were opened by the Lord’s hand.

Sid: Now, since you’ve been, and I know you have been in Peru for a while, since you’ve been in Peru how long have you been in Peru and about how many miracle healings have people testified to.

Michael: Thank you for asking, I’ve only been here for a little less than three months; I found myself with the opportunity that God was opening up so many doors that I’ve never experienced before it made no sense to go back home. And I have seen over a thousand miraculous healings from tumors disappearing to deafness, and when I say deafness I had two people, two young girls that were born deaf and God opened the ears of both of them. And it was also again, while I either laid hands on them or blew the shofar; and there has been over 200 salvations, the greatest miracle of those coming to accept Yeshua for the first time.

Sid: Okay, I want to find out how this Messianic Jewish Rabbi, Michael Zeitler became a fanatic for the Messiah of Israel, Jesus the anointed one. At age eight you were set up to never want to hear about Jesus, what happened to you?

Michael: Well, I grew up in a primarily a Protestant Catholic neighborhood, I had Jewish friends, I was raised in a reformed Jewish home and was Bar mitvahed at thirteen but primarily my friends during the week from school and in my neighborhood were Protestant and Catholic…

Sid: Out of curiosity were both of your parents Jewish?

Michael: Yes, oh yes.

Sid: Okay.

Michael: All of us.

Sid: Look, the Rabbi’s ask me that all the time so I figured I’d ask you that. Ha ha

Michael: Ha ha. Yes, it’s true as far back as you can go. And so my friends came home from school and they had gone to religious instruction and these were good friends Sid. And one of them had a yellow broom stick in his hand and he started slamming it down in the middle of the street in front of me screaming and yelling at me that I killed Jesus, that I was a Jew. And after that I can’t explain to you why…

Sid: Now at eight did you have any idea why he was doing that?

Michael: No, because I didn’t even know anything about, you know in synagogue you’re not taught about Jesus so I mean I knew about Jesus, but I didn’t know anything about what he was talking about, I ran home crying. But after that every time the name Jesus was mentioned and I can’t understand why this happened, but every time I would smell baby’s vomit; an infant’s vomit in my nostril’s physically every time I would hear the name Jesus mentioned.

Sid: So, as I said, Michael was set up almost a picket, supernatural fence, a demonic picket supernatural fence was set up that he would never be able to hear the true gospel; because he just literally he would get nauseated when he would hear the name Jesus. So you were bar mitzvah and that graduated into a worldly atmosphere, it is hard to believe but you really had hair down to your shoulders?

Michael: Yes, I had hair down to my shoulders and I had a mustache and I was a hippie, I was into sex, drugs, rock and roll and you know all the other things that are tied to it.

Sid: How’s that nice Jewish boy get involved in witchcraft? How did that happen?

Michael: Well, I was seeking and one day in high school I met a witch and through that I got more and more interested in it, I was always interested in psyche phenomena, I was always interested in all of that stuff; garbage but back then it was really a tremendous interest for me. And I got involved with other pagans and other witches, started to learn how to read tarot cards and crystal balls and do potions and worship the goddess of the moon. And get this Sid the great horn god of nature, I didn’t put the two and two together and figure out that that was Satan; I thought it was somebody else.

Sid: And so you graduated, you actually became a white witch.

Michael: That’s correct.

Sid: Now, what is a white witch?

Michael: Basically, witches believe in the religion of Wicca and it’s an ancient religion, Wicca means the old English term, the wise ones. So they would be using different kinds of potions and herbal remedies and what have you. But also there’s a black side of witchcraft, and of course I now know that I worked for the same boss, Satan, but they hate Satanists, the witches don’t associate. And a black witch is someone that blackness is black magic; however witches have a general understanding that anything that you do to someone whether it’s good or bad will come back to you three times. So that’s a good incentive not to be a black practicing witch.

Sid: Okay, so you have hair down to your shoulders and you graduate from witchcraft to Buddhism, what’s a nice Jewish boy doing in Buddhism?

Michael: Well, what do they call us wandering Jews, isn’t that a term?

Sid: Right.

Michael: We’re seekers, if we don’t get plugged into God like the Orthodox that are so zealous and religious for Adonai then we find other things. And so my cousin came along explained to me about this new Buddhism from Japan called “Neturinshoshu(?)

Sid: I can’t even pronounce that, but go ahead. Ha-ha

Michael: Ha ha, all you have to do is pray and have these prayer beads and every hour of every day you pray this ancient Japanese prayer

Sid: How long did you pray every day?

Michael: Oh, my goodness, sometimes when I got together with my friends we go for two or three hours.

Sid: You know, most Christians who are praying authentically to God don’t pray that much.

Michael: I know, I know and we be rubbing these beads together, we would be saying this prayer. Yom Jehovah in Gaeile, which is very popular today in Hollywood, I’ve heard some actors say it even in the movies. And it sounded like a beehive when they were all going at the same time. It was crazy; it was wild.

Sid: Okay, so now you’re a legitimate Buddhist, former white witch or maybe you’re still a white witch and a Buddhist and you have a girl friend, she’s from Peru. She goes to Peru you go with her and its Easter time and you are a nice Jewish boy and you don’t want to go to church on Easter.

Michael: Not at all.

Sid: But, you’re a Buddhist and you chant three hours a day and you have these beads and you’re into white witchcraft, but you don’t want to go to an Easter service, okay. It’s a crazy world Michael.

Sid: I remember talking to a man once and he was a prophet and he had a vision of someone’s heart and when he looked at this person’s heart through use of a gift of the Spirit he saw cracks all over the heart and he said boy, you must have been hurt a lot. My guest who’s been a guest previously on Messianic Vision is Mark Virkler. And Mark has produced a CD series called prayers that heal the heart. And Mark after going through this just based on my experience of being a human for all of these years, most people have areas of their life where their heart has been broken. Is that your experience?

Mark: Sid, that’s exactly my experience. When I first got saved, Jesus healed my heart and I felt very very free but, after I’d lived for twenty more years after that I had a lot of wounds that had built up. I’d been through tough situations and put up walls and my heart was much more wounded and hurt twenty years after I got saved than the day I got saved.

Sid: Now, just out of curiosity you have a program with seven supernatural prayers that when someone prays these prayers with understanding you say it will totally dismantle a demon’s home and then it’s easy as opposed to difficult to get that demon to leave what they consider to be their home; and people experience freedom. I don’t get it, but you were in ministry all of these years. There’s issue of whether a Christian can have a demon or not; will just put that one aside. How after being in effective ministry for all these years did you need your heart healed and did you need these demons cast out of you?

Mark: Well, I was on a trip to Australia to teach for twenty-one days and when I got there during the worship time I just realized I’m spending my time battling fear, fear of rejection, self rejection, anger, hatred and I spent the whole 45 minutes of worship time binding any demons that were causing that. And I realized you know Mark you’re really messed up here, you really should not need to spend forty-five minutes of worship time just binding demons and getting these negative pressures away from you. You shouldn’t have to war negative pressures within you so consistently. And I had picked those up because life had slapped me up and I lost a few jobs, got wounded, got hurt, put up walls of defensiveness and demons came along and said we can help you with those walls of defensiveness and so I was pretty messed up.

Sid: But if someone had walked up to you and said Mark, I discern you have a demon I don’t think you would have received that until you realized it yourself.

Mark: Well, your right you know most people don’t want to say gee I got a demon here, you know its kind a hard pill to swallow here for a lot of people. It’s not so hard for me to swallow at this point because I believe Satan is a attacker, destroyer, he’s constantly out to do within and I believe we do fall into sin from time to time, I sure do and whenever I fall into sin there is a demon right handy saying I can help you with that one. And So I find that were under attack and we can get mucked up pretty regularly and pretty easily so the need for deliverance isn’t a great big thing for me, it’s just a part of life.

Sid: Okay, I happen to believe what you’re saying is correct and that’s why I’m making this available for our Mishpochah, but what about the question “Can a Christian have a demon?”

Mark: Well, it’s a tough question I have debated that and the debate would go away if there was a verse in the Bible that answered it and there isn’t; there is no verse that says a Christian can have a demon. And there’s no verse that says a Christian cannot have a demon; so what do we do when there is not clear verse on the topic? I mean do we interpret some verses, interpret some principles, we try to make our best guess and that’s fine and I think that we ought to allow a variance of opinions since the Bible doesn’t clearly state it. In my early years I didn’t believe that a Christian could have a demon, now I believe that they can and part of that came from examining the fruit of life. The Bible says that you can test things by their fruit and I ran into a deacon in my church who came to me and said, “I believe I have a demon and by the time we were done ministering to him we had cast out several demons and his life was radically changed. And so the fruit of life spoke back to me and said Mark maybe it is time to change your theology especially since there’s no clear verse on it, maybe you should allow life to speak to you.

Sid: Yeah, but some would say how could a demon cohabit with a Spirit of God in the same body?

Mark: Well, how can sickness cohabit with the Spirit of God in the same body? I know lots of Christians who are sick and so do you and God is perfect health; so how can you have perfect health in your body and sickness at the same time? And the answer that I see is that that there are many parts within us, we have a spirit, we have a soul with many compartments in our soul plus we have a body with many different areas of the body and yes our spirits indwelt with the Holy Spirit, but what we’re doing is working out our souls’ salvation and the light of God is getting brighter and brighter and as it does it drives darkness, sin, sickness and demons out as that light penetrates area after area of our inner being.

Sid: Okay, listen that deal with sickness would push anyone over the line, I think that’s extremely convincing let’s talk about that first case that you were exposed to, that deacon.

Mark: Well, this deacon came to me and he said, “You know I have a sin that I cannot overcome.” He said “I prayed, I fasted I’ve beaten myself up, I’ve memorized scripture and this sin was lust and he said, I undress every woman every Sunday in church and it makes me so sick I can’t stand it and he said, do you think that it could be a demon?” And I’d never cast a demon out of anyone, but I had heard about it so I said, well maybe and I so the elders of the church, two elders and me got together. We prayed for this man and we commanded any demon of lust to manifest itself and come out, and a really gruff voice began to speak to us and this man began to shake and the voice said I’m not coming out. At that point I decided a Christian can have a demon because I have a deacon in my church with a sin he can’t solve and a gruff voice speaking to me; and we said, “Yes, you are coming out.” And we agreed and we commanded that thing come out with several other demons. I went back and I checked with that deacon a month later, a year later and a few years later and I asked him, “Okay this sin issue of lust has it been dealt with?” “He said, now it’s like any other sin area of my life. Now I can control it, I can crucify it, where before deliverance he could not control it and he could not crucify it.

Sid: And I’ve seen the standard way of casting spirits out of people, did it take a long time to get rid of that spirit?

Mark: Well, this was our first experience so we were inexperienced so, the first time we prayed nothing happened, so we said well we’ll just pray again and we did and the second time he began to vibrate and shake and it took an hour to get everything out. But it’s now quite easy to get demons out because if we know how to detach them first then the deliverance process is smooth and easy, but back then I had no idea the steps of detachment which were the various different prayers that God taught me over the years.

Sid: Now you were set free of a demon of fear in particular, fear of stroke. Tell me about that.

Mark: Yeah exactly, my Grandfather died of what I pictured as a stroke when I was about seven or eight years of age somewhere around there. It wasn’t exactly a stroke, but that’s the way as a child I remembered it and I was very close to my Grandfather. I was traumatized and demons are not gentlemen so when I was traumatized my defenses were down so a demon of fear of stroke entered me and showed up in my dreams for the next ten – fifteen years. And I would wake up five days out of the week generally with feeling I had had a stroke feeling I was paralyzed my mouth was paralyzed; my tongue was paralyzed, my arms where I couldn’t…they were bloated, I would shake it off and I would be okay. And when we got in deliverance I asked the elders to pray for me and my wife and the two elders were in the living room sitting there and praying commanding the demon that I thought I wanted deliverance of to come out and that was depression and heaviness, but what actually came manifested was this stroke thing. And Patti said I felt like my face was paralyzed, I felt like my tongue was paralyzed as they were commanding the demon to come out and Patti was sitting in the living room. She said that it looked like my tongue was paralyzed and it came out with tears and I cried and it was released and the pressure was released and I’ve never had that dream since then and nor have I had fear of stroke. And before then I didn’t even know what a stroke was but I remember going into the nurses office in high school saying to her I got chest pains, I think I am going to have a stroke; and a stroke is the head not the heart and…

Sid: But seeing such fruit from this deliverance for a long period of time, you stopped praying for deliverance why?

Mark: Well, I did after I prayed for a few hundred people for Christians to get delivered I got very frustrated, because in the day that I quit was when this man, we spent an hour shouting at this demon saying in the Name of Jesus we command this demon to leave now, and the demon was…the guy was shaking the guy was sweating and the gruff voice was saying I’m not coming out and we said you are coming out in Jesus name and it would not come out; and it didn’t come out. And I was really frustrated because I said, “God, the Bible is very clear and at the Name of Jesus every knee must bow and this demon did not bow his knee and I have no idea why it didn’t work and I am so frustrated I am going to quit because I can’t understand what is going on here. So I quit.

Sid: For how long did you quit?

Mark: Ha-ha, probably for about ten years or so.

Sid: And you know what, the devil succeeded in taking away a part of your ministry that was a part of Jesus’ ministry. He spent a lot of time casting demons out of people.

Mark: He sure did, I have counted up all of His prayers for supernatural intervention and between 1/4 and 1/3 of His prays were to cast demons out of people and if He’s the pattern I’m following then that mean’s between 1/4 and 1/3 of my prayers I should be casting out demons out of people and for ten years I didn’t do that.

Sid: Well, I think that it’s so wonderful for everyone that is listening to get their heart healed, and we’ll talk about that on tomorrows broadcast. And once their heart is healed you’ve literally dismantled…these demons are like an attorney, they go after what they call legal rights. But you can dismantle their legal rights and then they have to go. But until you dismantle them it’s a fight; I like the idea of these seven supernatural prayers to dismantle all legal rights these spirits have on you. And what’s it like to be free Mark, really free?

Mark: Ha-ha I have been free now for the last ten to fifteen years of my life. My heart doesn’t free, it doesn’t have rejection, it doesn’t have anger…

Sid: Whoops we’re out of time.

Sid: We want everyone everywhere to move in all the gifts of the Holy Spirit and accomplish the destiny that God has for your life. But what good is all that power if you don’t understand the road map of end time Bible prophecy. You need both, you need to understand end time Bible prophecy and you need the power of God. And that’s why I’m talking to Walid Shoebat and Walid was born in Bethlehem. He was an ex-Moslem terrorist that fell madly in love with Jesus and madly in love with the Bible and I believe he was raised up; that’s why you see him on things like Fox News or O’Reilly, and on Shawn Hannidy and CNN because he was uniquely raised as Muslim terrorist. Became a believer, studied the Bible and had such a clear revelation, which I might add is the clear revelation of many of the people in past generations had; but the last 30 years or so years in the United States we’ve taken a totally different direction and most people, and I believe it has satanic origins are confused about the end times. Now Walid I would be remise with your background and your knowledge of end time Bible prophecy if I didn’t get your understanding of what in the world is going on in Egypt and all of these Middle East countries where the citizens are demanding new governments and there’s all these protests going on? And it is just, I have never seen a time like this, what is does all of this mean?

Walid: Well, the nations are enraged as the Bible says, that surrounds Israel and they will focus on Israel to basically remove the peace treaty between Egypt and Israel. We look at Egypt, the majority of the Egyptians today which ever gallop poll you’d like to see, you look at the few statics eighty-five percent want Sharia, eighty -four percent want the amputation of the hands of thieves.

Sid: And again when you say Sharia that means Islamic law as interpreted by the Koran and the other holy books within in Islam.

Walid: Absolutely. In fact the new team that is basically revamping the constitution of Egypt are refusing to remove section two which says that Sharia is the law of the land. And the pols tell us very clearly that the majority of the Egyptians, Tunisians, Algerians, Libyans want Sharia laws so… but they will do it through peaceful means. Through stealth by peace he will deceive many; it is pretty clear in the Bible. But the Bible tells us about Egypt as well in Isaiah 19 “The Lord comes riding in a swift cloud and is coming into Egypt. When was the last time we’ve had a Sunday school in the West. Today we will be teaching how the Lord Jesus Christ comes and fights in Egypt; He fights Muslims. We look at the situation on victory day in Egypt in which the liaison of the Muslim Brotherhood gave a speech in which 2 million Egyptians chanted loud and clear, ————- (which means to Jerusalem we will march martyrs by the millions) never been shown on any of the major media on the west.

Sid: Why do you believe the west is deliberately in the media hiding this from the American public? Why?

Walid: Well, it’s a very good question, because many in the west think that the progressives are naïve, it is true the progressives really look at Islam as a value system that matches theirs in many ways. Al Gore’s ears are tickled when Islam talks about the big bang. Islam doesn’t believe in the Creation in the way that we do. It believes in the Big Bang, Islam talks about the life, it doesn’t begin at the moment of conception, this tickles the ears of the abortionists, Islam believes in Hamas, the environmental protection which tickles the ears of the environment environmentalist. Islam talks about Islamic socialism, ——–Islamic socialism which by the way, Egypt and Libya adheres to so it is a socialist system and also a Universalist just like the progressives believe in. So they have a lot in commonality between the two.

Sid: Okay, based on your understanding of the scriptures and the unrest that is unprecedented in the Middle East right now, tell me your scenario how this is going to play out.

Walid: Well, the Islamist will use the hungry masses of Egypt, Tunisia, Libya and take advantage of basically robbing the revolution in the Arab world and taking over. You have Roshal Rushe, head of An-Naba who is an Islamic apologist and he went back to Tunisia to basically become part of the electric process. You have Usaface the Muslim Brotherhood, in fact it’s very clear that they want to take over Egypt, if you look at the statements of all of the Muslim Brotherhood leaders, they talk about America pulling out of Iraq and how America will not be able to withstand…

Sid: Now, wait a second, I see on the news that the Islam Brotherhood is not a real terrorist group and really good guys.

Walid: Well, if you look at the website of the Muslim Brotherhood, in the English it has one word on the top and it says Freedom. In the Arabic language there is one word at the top of the website. It is says Abdu Arabic word with two swords, there’s the two the ax that has been given to us by John, and Ahado simply means to prepare. This word comes from the Koran, ————————– which means, prepare for them of military force to terrorize Allah’s enemy and your enemy.

Sid: Now, wait a second our State Department has people that speak Arabic they certainly must know this.

Walid: Of course they know this, but the State Department is in denial if it is true that the State Department cares about terrorism as much as Americans do how come they never proclaimed Saudi Arabia, which is the head of the snake that created Mohammedanism and built 90% of the Mosques in America as terror organization. The Muslim Brotherhood is very clear, even if you look at the Badeia the supreme leader…

Sid: …Okay so why don’t they look at Saudi Arabia and say that they’re doing all of this terrorism, why don’t they?

Walid: Well, because President Bush said America is basically drunk with oil, America is addicted to oil.

Sid: Speaking of oil, what is God showing you in the Bible what is going to happen to the oil in the Middle East?

Walid: The oil is going to burn and this is in Isaiah Chapter 34 it is very clear. Isaiah 34 gives us a context in end times in which it says in verse nine that “its streams shall be turned into pitch, pitch is zefet in the Hebrew, it can mean nothing else but oil, or petroleum. It’s dust into brimstone, it’s land shall become burning pitch. It’ll burn and Edom in this context of Isaiah 34 must be looked according to Ezekiel 25 in which it says that I will stretch out my arm against Edom and make it desolate from Teman and Dedan shall fall by the sword.

Sid: Now tell me what my revelation and this is my revelation from God, means in this whole scenario. My relation from God is and I really believe this is going to happen is Israel is going to discover oil. I’m not sure how, whether there will be wells, or whether the Dead Sea will have an earthquake and it will be filled with oil. But this is going to happen. How’s that going to affect everything?

Walid: Well, I’ve never studied in the Bible, maybe you have something I have never seen.

Sid: No, no, I haven’t seen this in the Bible it is just a knowing inside of me. How would that affect things if that occurs?

Walid: Well, Israel will become wealthy. In fact if we look…

Sid: Wait a second now, when we read Ezekiel now we see that the nation from the north is coming to get a plunder.

Walid: That’s correct.

Sid: Well, if Israel becomes wealthy that makes sense to me.

Walid: Yes, there’s other plunders; the world will become hungry as well, they will come for cattle and good and possibly oil if it is discovered in Israel, but it’s very clear that these nations will be starving in which we will have a depletion of food and resource and water resources as the rivers are being basically smitten by God. And let’s not forget that Ezekiel 38 is speaking of an invasion from the Southern parts of Russia as well as Turkey because all the Bible maps tell us Gomer back to Magog. Magog if you look at any Bible map the McMillan Bible Atlas, the Moody Bible Atlas, the encyclopedia of Bible lands, the Oxford Bible Atlas they position those regions in Asia Minor and the Southern Republics of Russia which are by the way are all Muslim.

Sid: Now, what is the destiny for Turkey because Turkey was always known as the most moderate of Muslim nations, but then we had that flotilla and then we had that outrage in Turkey against Israel and it seems to be changing now. Where is Turkey based on the end times?

Walid: Well, we must always look at what Christ said. He talked about Pergamus, thou art the seat of Satan; this is no small reference that the seat of the Anti-Christ will be coming from Pergamus, which is in Turkey. Including Chapter Ezekiel 30, on the day of the Lord. God is dealing with Libya; we are watching Libya today as dealing with Sudan and Somalia. Cush is also dealing with Libya in verse five. Libya is Turkey, in fact in Zachariah Chapter Nine verse thirteen I will bend, Judah my bow and fit it with Israel line and I will set your sons oh Zion against your sons oh Evan, Greece. Ayonia is in Turkey; ancient Greece is not what we think of Athens and Cyprus. Ancient Greece is in Turkey today. So, even Christ is going forth as whirlwinds from the south. If He’s coming from the south He’s going north towards Turkey to defeat the Turkish Empire. Because the today the Turkish government wants to reestablish eastern Germany because it was bruised and they want to revive the ultimate Empire and the sole purpose of the Muslim Brotherhood to revive the calafate and that was basically bruised in Turkey.

Sid: I have a question for you; you have it so laid out in your book “God’s War on Terror.” Do you know any people high up in the Administration or in Congress or in the Senate that have read your book? Because it’s literally a road map of what’s going to happen over the next few years.

Walid: Well, I haven’t had any letters or emails in the top official government.

Sid: Well, maybe through our radio and television show you are about to; but I can tell you this every Christian listening to my voice must must understand the prophecies of the end times.