Sid Roth

Sid:  Were about ready to see this dwelling place of God in His spirit just intensify for the greatest move of God’s Spirit in history.  That’s why I’m interviewing this week, Jim Hockaday.  We find out on yesterday’s broadcast that he was a singer with the Rhema singers for seven years.  He got opportunity to minister with Kenneth Hagen, Sr. and he spent ten years as a Coordinator for the Prayer and the Healing School.  And one of the things that God has shown him is how he can empower you to release what’s already inside of you.  And he has that anointing to draw it out.  But, I understand when, Jim Hockaday when you were just four years of age, you got saved and you immediately started evangelizing everyone around you.  How does a young kid have even a thought to do this?

Jim:  Well, that’s a real good question Sid.   I don’t know exactly how all that plays together, it may had to do with the calling on my life.  I do, I am able to say this, my parents are wonderful parents and they would always bring people over and have guests over to the house and entertain them and just open the word of God.  Many people that were saved, but also those that were not saved and they would open the Word of God and share with them the things of the Lord and so just being exposed to that.  And learning in my Baptist church that did a great job teaching us the Roman Road, I just had a passion to see people saved and it wasn’t like every single day I’d grab somebody but I would be inspired very often.

Sid:  Now, at age seventeen you developed a painful disease called crohn’s disease.  In fact I think if I recall right, it’s a terminal disease.

Jim:  The doctors would say its terminal.  Yes, sir.

Sid:  Okay, so at seventeen what happened?

Jim:  Well, I came down with that disease and of course, back at that moment I didn’t understand healing like I do today and so we just accepted it and had some surgery at that point that was very successful.  And even the surgery at that point was a supernatural event.  I was getting ready for an emergency surgery with a large tumor in my body and it just miraculously came out of my body and the doctors were just shocked and I had been witnessing to them and they just said well we know God’s involved in this.  And so, one particular afternoon and this is one of the reasons why it kind of typifies my ministry to encourage people to do the works of Jesus.  But the Lord spoke to me and said, get up and go home and on the way home, I’ll heal you and I didn’t. I was ready to do that and called some different individuals to get their encouragement too, of which I should have just acted on what the Lord said.  And they discouraged me from doing that and in the process of time, I sat there and didn’t receive the healing like the Lord had for me.  And so I went through a surgery that was successful and then today I continue to have some amazing testimonies about that particular problem.

Sid:  Well, six years ago it actually came back, what did you do?

Jim:  Yea, there was an attack on my life, without a doubt six years ago.  My bowels perforated inside and at that particular moment I didn’t, we had just left Rhema into our own ministry and I didn’t have, I believe insurance, having good insurance.  But I didn’t have any at that moment because it’s difficult to get insurance when you have had a preexisted condition.  So I looked at my wife laying on the floor in the most intense pain I have ever had in my life and I just looked at her and said help me into the bed.  I said number one I’m not dying and number two were not going to the doctor because I don’t want to lose all our money.  I said, so get me up in the bed and I did…

Sid:  And it’s kind of interesting, your describing to me what is normal for third world people.  If God doesn’t heal them they don’t have the options of doctors.

Jim:  Yea, that’s right, that’s exactly right and that would.  People have asked me for a long time, the question.  How come God heals so many people in other countries?  And my answer is always, because they don’t have Blue Cross Blue Shield.

Sid:  Okay, so your wife helps you into the bed, what happened next?

Jim:  Well, and here’s I’m going to kind of tell off on myself a little bit because I definitely preach to liberate people into the anointing instead of putting them into bondage by getting them to do all kinds of things to prove themselves to be full of faith.  If that makes sense and I’ll say it this way; for the next three weeks I tried everything.  And I can’t believe I did after being one that would teach like I taught.  But I tried everything.  I would have people pray for me over the phone, I would have people come to my house and pray for me, I got into my confession sheets and went over it and built up my faith and…

Sid:  And I know a lot of people who have done that and not gotten healed. 

Jim:  Well, and I wasn’t getting healed either, that’s my point, I was getting nowhere.  My wife was feeding me these incredible healthy soups that were about killing me themselves ha ha.   And so about three weeks into it, three o’clock in the morning I got up and went out into the family room and at this point, Sid I went from 175 pounds down to 125 pounds. 

Sid:  And by the way, what you were doing wasn’t wrong, it was right.  What you were doing but there was something missing. 

Jim:  Well, what I was doing, I was putting all the attention on what I could do to get God to do something inside of trusting in what He’s already done.  And this is what I did that morning, early in that morning I sat there and I said, Lord this is the last discussion we are going to have about my healing.  I said, as of this moment I will not doubt that you have said by your stripes I was healed.  If I was healed then right now I am.  Good night, thank you very much for it, I’m going to bed and I got up went out and made myself a chocolate milkshake just because I had been eating so many healthy things I just wanted to eat something, or drink something that was against my regiment and I went to bed.  The next day, I woke up no change, the next day I woke up was Saturday and I was off to a meeting of a weeklong meeting; morning and night services.

Sid:  But, you were down to what did you say 125 pounds?  From normally 170 let’s say.

Jim:  One hundred twenty-five pounds.  Sure, I mean I was wearing the smallest I could find, I had my belts tight as they could be.  When the pastor saw me who was a pastoral friend that had known me for many years, when I traveled with the Hagen Ministry he just gasp at me and just said what has happened?  And this was his statement, you just rest, I’ll preach this week for you.  I looked at him and said if you want to send me home in a six foot pine box then you can preach, otherwise I came here to do my job, I’m going to preach and I did.  Within that week, it started from the first moment I got up to peach, my body became stronger and stronger and stronger and I put on over thirty-eight pounds in that one week. 

Sid:  Well, wait thirty-eight pounds in one week.  That sounds pretty supernatural.

Jim:  Well, for me it was, who had not been use to be able to put on weight, it was incredible and the strength that came back to my body was awesome.

Sid:  And were there many miracles that occurred?

Jim:  Oh, there was some wonderful things that took place, in fact.  One of the outstanding things and there were tumors that disappeared.  There were peoples’ ears that stopped ringing; there was all kinds of bones and tissue that was healed.  But one miracle stands out and that was a little girl that was twelve years of age.  She sat in the second row and I’ll never forget, she sat right on the edge and she had this big brace and covered her chest and covered her back and had some straps on the side.  So I could tell there was something with her spine.  And I walked by her twice and reached my finger over and touched her on the shoulder, and I said honey you know Jesus is healing you right now.  And that’s all I said to her and I ministered.  And now the next night when I came up to stand at my seat while they were singing praised and worship the little girl tapped me on the back of my shoulder and I looked and there was no brace.  She has a big smile on her face and she said look and the mother held up two sets of x-rays.  One was her x-ray with her back, which was hunchback.  It was so bad that it was in the form of an upside down C.  The doctors told her that by the time you reach twenty-one years of age you will never see the sun again.  And the next x-ray was what they took that morning as the doctor took her brace off her back completely snapped and popped and straight as you and I and I saw a perfect back and spine.  And those were documented.

Sid:  Yea, and you know the thing that is so exciting to me is the key that you began to see even at that point of this intimacy with God as opposed to striving and works caused what you were entitled to to happen and it was almost like it was blocked before. 

Jim:  Yea. I really like the way you put that.  That’s very well spoken.  That’s exactly what’s happening today.  That’s exactly what’s happened.  Put that in a nutshell.  That’s where the church is at.  If you can get the church to release their hold on what their trying to do and let God do what Jesus has already accomplished.  We’ll begin to see the miraculous left and right. And if I could share this one moment I’ll say this.  People would look and say, well Jim and reason why you’ve seen things happen is because you’re called to be a prophet, apostle, evangelist, what not.  And I have to say let me share this brief testimony.  When I went to the Prayer and Healing Center after traveling with Brother Hagen, what a wonderful experience.  Some miracles took place that he helped me to experience when I was on the road.  But, now I’m going to preach and stand up in front of people and I’m the one that has to bring the anointing to the people.  And for the first three months in prayer and healing school when I was there, we had more people dying then we did…

Sid:  Oh no, I hate to leave on this point but I know the people listening are going to come back.  You want to hear and get this revelation that Jim Hockaday has.  It’s really the missing ingredient in the connection with this Holy Spirit and the miraculous, six CD seminar “How to Develop Intimacy with the Holy Spirit.”