Sid Roth

Sid: My guest Dr. Caroline Leaf, when you listen to her teaching, she is a Neuroscientist and she has researched the brain for over twenty years and she says you have such a unique gift inside of you.  You can literally change the world if you understand the way God wired you.  And Caroline, on yesterdays broadcast you talked about the brain is made up of seven ways we think, but we are all as unique as a fingerprint because we all use various portions of these seven way.  I wonder if you would review that again.

Dr. Caroline : Yes, we can actually scientifically now know enough about the brain through the comprehensive modern technology we can get a better look inside the brain and based on this, we can find that we can actually describe the structure of our gift.  And the purpose of that would be to understand ourselves better.  If I know that I’ve received information in this way and that I’m building temporary memory like this and I’m consolidating my memories like that.  In other words the brain has seven different major different areas, seven different types of thought and as you digest food you digest a thought.  And your gift is how you digest that thought.  The gift profile gives you the description or the structure of that unique way in which you are digesting.

Sid: And that profile is 210 questions that are just yes or no type answers that will help you discover the way your brain operates.  Why is it so important for someone to discover this?  What difference will it make in their life?

Dr. Caroline: Well, essentially we are in a world we were told that we should behave like that, or this is the gifted person or that’s the successful person and they try and categorize and you can’t categorize.  Each of us is completely unique.  So if we understand that it has a huge amount of self confidence and self esteem because if we are trying to be someone else, you will never succeed.

Sid: Yes, do you know what that reminds me of.  I interviewed a man that has a marvelous healing ministry.  His name is Peter Horrbin and he tells the story of a young man that was groomed to be a medical doctor by his parents and he developed cancer.  When he switched professions and became a musician the cancer left.

Dr. Caroline: Wow, wow so he was moving…that is a fantastic example why you would need to know your gift and the structure of your gift.  Because so often in life and I saw this in my clinical practice on numerous occasions.  Parents would groom their children in a direction that was perhaps their gifting and meanwhile it wasn’t the gift of the child.  I have four children and I have worked in clinical practice, I have reached thousands and millions of people through my ministry, it’s so important that I am able to recognize that each person is totally unique in order to understand them better.  So why the structure of the profile would help us not to make that mistake, there is a classic example of someone in medical doctor should have been a musician he was operating out of his gift.  He wasn’t thinking or allowed to think in a way that he was naturally created by our creator to think and he was working against that which caused his body to become toxic.  It caused his mind to become toxic which affected his body and made him sick.  This is what we have been speaking about.  That your thought life would impact on the health of your body.  So therefore your thought life can be described the special way that you think, the structure of your thinking is what the profile is helping people to find. Helping people to recognize, hey this is amazing.  This is who you are, this is your special way that you see the world and this is good.  You don’t have to be like this one or that one.  You know, I have had children that come through my practice and I use to work a lot with juveniles, a lot of children from sixteen to eighteen. Even old sixteen adults because very often those or those that group of people had been written off and said oh well, that there is nothing more we could do for you.  You will never succeed at school or whatever and had come through years of challenges with learning and emotional issues and the first thing I’ve always did was to fill in that profile and say look, this is how your brain processes.  Show them a picture of those seven different areas and do the profile so that would understand what I was doing in each area.  And I would show them how you and you listening to me now, you move through your brain in this particular way and this particular combination and this is what it means.  It means that you need to move when you this,  you need to think when you do this and you actually pinpoint and describe exactly what’s good for you.  And, what‘s good for you then as you use that then you accentuate and develop your intelligence.  Because the most natural result of operating in your gift is an increase in the two sides the ability of the brain.  The two sides of the brain to work together more efficiently and as you do that you think deeper you grow more branches in your brain, you grown more connections between the brain.

Sid: Okay, that would be great for a young person, I can see that, but what about a fifty year old person that is listening to us right now, is it too late for them?

Dr. Carolyn: Neither.  Let me take that one step further Sid, even better my oldest client at this stage was a seventy-eight year old pilot who decided not decided, his eyes were failing at that stage so he couldn’t fly anymore.  So he decided that at the age of seventy-eight to go and fulfill his real dream and his real dream had always been, his real gift had always been more of the direction of numbers.  And he wants to become a CPA.  So at the age of seventy-eight he came to me.  I did a profile  on him, it showed that he definitely was thinking in that kind of way and processing information in that kind of way he had applied that kind of logically when he was flying and he went back to school and he studied at seventy-eight, qualified at eighty-four and practiced for another ten years.  And I mean that that was just outstanding.  I had a fifty year old lady who had through all her life had just done clerical jobs and it wasn’t her dream but she had always been told that you’ll never amount to much, you don’t have the ability to go to the university and I said that is not the truth.  Let’s look at your gift, I did the profile, showed her, this is how you think, this is with structure this is what you are doing and this point and this point in you thinking process.  This is what it means for your life, this is the kind of thing, this is the kind of thinking that you have that could be doing all this kind of thing.  Another thing, she was really, really, really interested in Yourt I mean she loved that kind of thinking but never thought she had the ability or the gift to do it.  Well, she went back and studied until the age of fifty-two.  If your brain get gets filled with age, the more you use the brain the more you use your gift the more you think.

Sid: Now wait a second, I’ve always heard your brain gets slower with age.  Not better.

Dr. Caroline: Well, that is a lie from the pits of hell, so that is not science.  Science is, the initial brain thought research that did that was done on people that had died, old people that had died with disease.  Now, with our kind of brain techniques and technology we can look inside a brain of people that are healthy and are alive.  And, we see that as you age your brain gets better with age.  It is the only organ that gets better with age.  The more you use your brain the more intelligent you become.  It shifts, it focuses and changes like in the way that it functions but that gift of thinking, that gift of thinking in you special way, gets better and better the older you get.  The more you use it.  The converse is that if we don’t use our gift, if we don’t think correctly, if we don’t process, we’ve got to build gift blockers.  If we build gift blockers we disrupt the natural functioning of the brain and we cause destructions in our…

Sid: Well, maybe that’s why older people are known as slowing down in their thinking process because they don’t understand those gift blockers.

Dr. Caroline: Exactly, Sid, that’s totally all the elderly people, the description is that elderly people slow down in their thinking.  That is not the true understanding of brain science, the true understanding is the thinking becomes more mature and it looks different to a younger person’s thinking.  Now, if they have got the stress under control and lifestyle choices like diet those play very valid draw but your thought life is the most powerful.  If you have been thinking according to your gift and not thought through gift blockers.  Gift blockers will accumulate over age disrupt the electrical chemical protein essential structure of the brain and we set our self up for things like Alzheimer’s and dementia.

Sid: Now, but going back to young people for just a moment, your own daughter, they wanted to put on retiling, but when you understood how her brain operated you understood her.

Dr. Caroline: It wasn’t my daughter they wanted to put on retiling it was another student that they wanted to actually put on retiling because this child kept moving and was constantly moving and constantly fiddling with things and fiddling and looking away.  And I said, you know this child is really smart, let me do a gift profile.  When I profiled that particular child, because I am very anti retiling for them because of what it does in the brain. When I profiled this particular student and I showed them, I said look, this child starts listening to you by moving, this child is building a temporary memory by ruddily detecting their pin, which is musical.  This child is listening to you.  In other words, I described the seven levels.  I described the structure, she is presenting in this way because of how she is cycling through her thoughts.  There is nothing wrong with her.  That particular child was also a keyboard player, a musician.  A phenomenal musician but she was doing really badly at math.  And because she  was doing badly at math, and because she had so much negative input from school because she was wiggle ling and moving around and being bad at math, she was labeled as a child with pro compre-hension  ADHD.  I said no, I don’t agree at all.  And I profiled her and it showed me, and I asked the parents “Is she been doing some kind of musical instrument?”  Well they said, she use to play keyboard.  Well why doesn’t she still?  Well, we stopped it because as a punishment because she wasn’t doing well in school and once her grades go up, we will bring the key board back in.  I said, you are making a huge mistake here.  You need to let her play key boarding immediately because her key board is her musical type of thinking is right at the top, which means.

Sid: So, when she went back to the keyboard, what happened to her math?

Dr. Caroline: It shot straight up.  The grades, as soon as she went back, as soon as she got that keyboard back that child grades went up.  It was miraculous, you know what happened?  When you know the structure of your gift your brain..

Sid: We have a group of people that want to know their gift and they’ve got to take this gift profile and understand the brain and become all that God’s calling them to be because your brain is wired to work in a specific sequence.  And when you discover the sequence you can unlock the great potential within you, you can remove the toxic thinking and this will end up with emotional and physical illness not having any place to root, not having any place to stay.  It is going to actually increase your intelligence.

Sid: My guest Dr. Caroline Leaf, when you listen to her teaching, she is a Neuroscientist and she has researched the brain for over twenty years and she says you have such a unique gift inside of you.  You can literally change the world if you understand the way God wired you.  And Caroline, on yesterdays broadcast you talked about the brain is made up of seven ways we think, but we are all as unique as a fingerprint because we all use various portions of these seven way.  I wonder if you would review that again.

Dr. Caroline : Yes, we can actually scientifically now know enough about the brain through the comprehensive modern technology we can get a better look inside the brain and based on this, we can find that we can actually describe the structure of our gift.  And the purpose of that would be to understand ourselves better.  If I know that I’ve received information in this way and that I’m building temporary memory like this and I’m consolidating my memories like that.  In other words the brain has seven different major different areas, seven different types of thought and as you digest food you digest a thought.  And your gift is how you digest that thought.  The gift profile gives you the description or the structure of that unique way in which you are digesting.

Sid: And that profile is 210 questions that are just yes or no type answers that will help you discover the way your brain operates.  Why is it so important for someone to discover this?  What difference will it make in their life?

Dr. Caroline: Well, essentially we are in a world we were told that we should behave like that, or this is the gifted person or that’s the successful person and they try and categorize and you can’t categorize.  Each of us is completely unique.  So if we understand that it has a huge amount of self confidence and self esteem because if we are trying to be someone else, you will never succeed.

Sid: Yes, do you know what that reminds me of.  I interviewed a man that has a marvelous healing ministry.  His name is Peter Horrbin and he tells the story of a young man that was groomed to be a medical doctor by his parents and he developed cancer.  When he switched professions and became a musician the cancer left.

Dr. Caroline: Wow, wow so he was moving…that is a fantastic example why you would need to know your gift and the structure of your gift.  Because so often in life and I saw this in my clinical practice on numerous occasions.  Parents would groom their children in a direction that was perhaps their gifting and meanwhile it wasn’t the gift of the child.  I have four children and I have worked in clinical practice, I have reached thousands and millions of people through my ministry, it’s so important that I am able to recognize that each person is totally unique in order to understand them better.  So why the structure of the profile would help us not to make that mistake, there is a classic example of someone in medical doctor should have been a musician he was operating out of his gift.  He wasn’t thinking or allowed to think in a way that he was naturally created by our creator to think and he was working against that which caused his body to become toxic.  It caused his mind to become toxic which affected his body and made him sick.  This is what we have been speaking about.  That your thought life would impact on the health of your body.  So therefore your thought life can be described the special way that you think, the structure of your thinking is what the profile is helping people to find. Helping people to recognize, hey this is amazing.  This is who you are, this is your special way that you see the world and this is good.  You don’t have to be like this one or that one.  You know, I have had children that come through my practice and I use to work a lot with juveniles, a lot of children from sixteen to eighteen. Even old sixteen adults because very often those or those that group of people had been written off and said oh well, that there is nothing more we could do for you.  You will never succeed at school or whatever and had come through years of challenges with learning and emotional issues and the first thing I’ve always did was to fill in that profile and say look, this is how your brain processes.  Show them a picture of those seven different areas and do the profile so that would understand what I was doing in each area.  And I would show them how you and you listening to me now, you move through your brain in this particular way and this particular combination and this is what it means.  It means that you need to move when you this,  you need to think when you do this and you actually pinpoint and describe exactly what’s good for you.  And, what‘s good for you then as you use that then you accentuate and develop your intelligence.  Because the most natural result of operating in your gift is an increase in the two sides the ability of the brain.  The two sides of the brain to work together more efficiently and as you do that you think deeper you grow more branches in your brain, you grown more connections between the brain.

Sid: Okay, that would be great for a young person, I can see that, but what about a fifty year old person that is listening to us right now, is it too late for them?

Dr. Carolyn: Neither.  Let me take that one step further Sid, even better my oldest client at this stage was a seventy-eight year old pilot who decided not decided, his eyes were failing at that stage so he couldn’t fly anymore.  So he decided that at the age of seventy-eight to go and fulfill his real dream and his real dream had always been, his real gift had always been more of the direction of numbers.  And he wants to become a CPA.  So at the age of seventy-eight he came to me.  I did a profile  on him, it showed that he definitely was thinking in that kind of way and processing information in that kind of way he had applied that kind of logically when he was flying and he went back to school and he studied at seventy-eight, qualified at eighty-four and practiced for another ten years.  And I mean that that was just outstanding.  I had a fifty year old lady who had through all her life had just done clerical jobs and it wasn’t her dream but she had always been told that you’ll never amount to much, you don’t have the ability to go to the university and I said that is not the truth.  Let’s look at your gift, I did the profile, showed her, this is how you think, this is with structure this is what you are doing and this point and this point in you thinking process.  This is what it means for your life, this is the kind of thing, this is the kind of thinking that you have that could be doing all this kind of thing.  Another thing, she was really, really, really interested in Yourt I mean she loved that kind of thinking but never thought she had the ability or the gift to do it.  Well, she went back and studied until the age of fifty-two.  If your brain get gets filled with age, the more you use the brain the more you use your gift the more you think.

Sid: Now wait a second, I’ve always heard your brain gets slower with age.  Not better.

Dr. Caroline: Well, that is a lie from the pits of hell, so that is not science.  Science is, the initial brain thought research that did that was done on people that had died, old people that had died with disease.  Now, with our kind of brain techniques and technology we can look inside a brain of people that are healthy and are alive.  And, we see that as you age your brain gets better with age.  It is the only organ that gets better with age.  The more you use your brain the more intelligent you become.  It shifts, it focuses and changes like in the way that it functions but that gift of thinking, that gift of thinking in you special way, gets better and better the older you get.  The more you use it.  The converse is that if we don’t use our gift, if we don’t think correctly, if we don’t process, we’ve got to build gift blockers.  If we build gift blockers we disrupt the natural functioning of the brain and we cause destructions in our…

Sid: Well, maybe that’s why older people are known as slowing down in their thinking process because they don’t understand those gift blockers.

Dr. Caroline: Exactly, Sid, that’s totally all the elderly people, the description is that elderly people slow down in their thinking.  That is not the true understanding of brain science, the true understanding is the thinking becomes more mature and it looks different to a younger person’s thinking.  Now, if they have got the stress under control and lifestyle choices like diet those play very valid draw but your thought life is the most powerful.  If you have been thinking according to your gift and not thought through gift blockers.  Gift blockers will accumulate over age disrupt the electrical chemical protein essential structure of the brain and we set our self up for things like Alzheimer’s and dementia.

Sid: Now, but going back to young people for just a moment, your own daughter, they wanted to put on retiling, but when you understood how her brain operated you understood her.

Dr. Caroline: It wasn’t my daughter they wanted to put on retiling it was another student that they wanted to actually put on retiling because this child kept moving and was constantly moving and constantly fiddling with things and fiddling and looking away.  And I said, you know this child is really smart, let me do a gift profile.  When I profiled that particular child, because I am very anti retiling for them because of what it does in the brain. When I profiled this particular student and I showed them, I said look, this child starts listening to you by moving, this child is building a temporary memory by ruddily detecting their pin, which is musical.  This child is listening to you.  In other words, I described the seven levels.  I described the structure, she is presenting in this way because of how she is cycling through her thoughts.  There is nothing wrong with her.  That particular child was also a keyboard player, a musician.  A phenomenal musician but she was doing really badly at math.  And because she  was doing badly at math, and because she had so much negative input from school because she was wiggle ling and moving around and being bad at math, she was labeled as a child with pro compre-hension  ADHD.  I said no, I don’t agree at all.  And I profiled her and it showed me, and I asked the parents “Is she been doing some kind of musical instrument?”  Well they said, she use to play keyboard.  Well why doesn’t she still?  Well, we stopped it because as a punishment because she wasn’t doing well in school and once her grades go up, we will bring the key board back in.  I said, you are making a huge mistake here.  You need to let her play key boarding immediately because her key board is her musical type of thinking is right at the top, which means.

Sid: So, when she went back to the keyboard, what happened to her math?

Dr. Caroline: It shot straight up.  The grades, as soon as she went back, as soon as she got that keyboard back that child grades went up.  It was miraculous, you know what happened?  When you know the structure of your gift your brain..

Sid: We have a group of people that want to know their gift and they’ve got to take this gift profile and understand the brain and become all that God’s calling them to be because your brain is wired to work in a specific sequence.  And when you discover the sequence you can unlock the great potential within you, you can remove the toxic thinking and this will end up with emotional and physical illness not having any place to root, not having any place to stay.  It is going to actually increase your intelligence.

SID: Hello, Sid Roth your investigative reporter here with Surprise from Mozambique currently in South Africa. Now Surprise, you have surprised me learning 13 languages supernaturally; read them, write them, speak them; I think that’s phenomenal, but what is even more amazing to me are these dead people that you’ve been praying for and your friends have been praying for that have come back to life. Tell me about one.

SURPRISE: Up ‘til now, from 2000 up ‘til now we have, in the whole ministry we have about 17 people that rose from the dead that we’ve been praying for them. And one that rose from the dead last October, we made an interview of this man he actually didn’t want to come back to life he criticized all the believers that were praying for him. He was saying, as he was dead, he went on his journey going to a good place. There was coming 6 people towards him to welcome him. So those 6 people that were about to welcome him they said look behind you. There is a group of people that need you back; you have to go back. Now the minister said “No I don’t have to. I don’t want to go back so please let me go with you.”And then those 6 people returned back and go on their way. And then that man turned his head and looked at those people that were needing him back, and he was saying “No, no, no, no, no!”While he was saying no, no, he was rising from the dead. “No, no, no, no, no!” And then he rose from the dead.

SID: Did he tell you what heaven was like?

SURPRISE: Well from the heavens that he had experienced a major tremendous place of suffering.

SID: From the heavens he saw the suffering here.

SURPRISE: He went from the suffering to heaven.

SID: Oh, so did he see hell?

SURPRISE: Yes.

SID: That’s what you’re saying, I see.

SURPRISE: Exactly.

SID: So first he saw hell?

SURPRISE: He first saw hell and himself was burning.

SID: Is hell real?

SURPRISE: Exactly, hell is real, heaven is real.

SID: What happens to someone in hell?

SURPRISE: Well in hell the people are crying day and night gnashing their teeth. So this means, according to what he was saying as he was going to that specific place; flying to the place where the people are drinking alcohol. And they’re in hell but that alcohol is just fire it’s burning inside and outside you are burning again. So the people that drink are crying. So he went somewhere where there is a big hole that is, the bottom of the hole you can’t see the individual voices crying inside. So he was about to be thrown in the pit and the person that was going, leading him said “No, this is not your time; so this is a tour. We just want to take you to see the places.”

SID: Alright then after he saw hell did he see heaven?

SURPRISE: After that is when he was taken to heaven to a beautiful place that’s where he saw the 6 people coming towards him.

SID: I see, and he just didn’t want to go home.

SURPRISE: And then from there when he saw that it was just a fresh breath, we are coming with those people and then it’s all no, this is a very good place. I don’t want to go back; I don’t want to go back; to go home. I want just to stay and remain here.

SID: So what were his first words when he came back?

SURPRISE: Not only himself but all the 17 their first word is that ‘I’m hungry.’ So I go back and remember the words of Jesus in Matthew chapter 5, verse 6 it says “Blessed are those that are hungry and thirsty for righteousness because they will be filled.”

SID: Now right after, you know right after Surprise had an encounter with God which; had he not been obedient he would’ve been dead like his parents; right after he had that encounter with God he began having, were these dreams or visions or visitations to heaven? What was that?

SURPRISE: That was exactly it. It started in a dream. From the day I gave my life to Jesus. It of course was good because I started hearing God’s voice before I could learn about God and God gave me the languages before I could learn about speaking in tongues speaking in other languages; so I started walking in miracles before I learned about miracles. So from there the Lord gave me a dream every day I was going to heaven.

SID: So in your dream you went to heaven and what did he teach you there?

SURPRISE: That was three and a half because he was teaching about the book of Revelation and the book of Daniel.

SID: Now those are pretty complex books.

SURPRISE: Exactly.

SID: And what was your overall impression from what he taught you?

SURPRISE: My impression, actually it was scary in the beginning like a person not so mature in those things, but as the man was explaining it. It goes back to the word of Jesus and still in Matthew chapter 5 verse 9 it says blessed are the peace makers because they will be called sons of God so the peace makers when we go ahead and look and investigate about the peace makers the fighters. The fighters are the peace makers that’s why Jesus was giving that authority to us that we have to fight.

SID: What are we fighting?

SURPRISE: We fight against the demons, we fight against disease, we fight against unbelieving of the heart.

SID: Well you know here in the United States of America most Christians don’t even believe in the devil let alone demons how are they going to fight?

SURPRISE: Well if you don’t then that’s why they will not be called the sons of God because as Jesus said blessed are the peace makers. Peace makers are the fighters because he himself, Jesus, he’s our peace because he was prophesied by the prophet Isaiah. In Isaiah chapter 9 and he was saying the son has been born, to us the child has been given; the whole government will be on his shoulders; he will be called a mighty counselor a wonderful prince of peace. Now Jesus is the prince of peace, he comes through Matthew and he said blessed are the peace makers. Peace makers are the fighters. If you follow the life of Jesus you end up seeing Jesus holding the sword.

SID: You know I’ve never heard that understanding but that’s the most wonderful understanding:“blessed are the peace makers.”You’re the fighters, you’re the warriors. When we come back we’ll find out about miracles. Don’t go away.

SID: Hello. Sid Roth here. And I am with a young man that the fire of God has gone through his whole body and when he speaks this happens to other people. Now Nathan, you have been going all over the world and having campaigns. Tell me what you’re seeing with your own eyes at these campaigns.

NATHAN: Very early in my Christian walk within the first 12 months that I came to Christ I began to go after God, pursue God. I’d spend hours in prayer with Him. I’d come in from work. I just wanted to be in the presence of Jesus.

SID: When you would pursue Him, just help me out, what would you do?

NATHAN: Oh, I was like a passionate young man. I used to cry out to God, “God, I want your fire! God, fill me. Use me, Lord. Whatever you want to do, God, I want your presence.” You see, for me, it wasn’t about gospel campaigns then. I just wanted the presence of God. I had grown up in church. Sid, I did not want to sit in a pew for the rest of my days playing church. I wanted the real, I wanted the genuine. When Jesus said, “I shall fill you with the Spirit of God,” then I wanted to be filled.

SID: Aren’t you tired of sitting on your hands in church? Aren’t you tired of being comfortable sitting on your hands? Let me tell you what happens when you stop sitting on your hands and you put your hands up to the air and praise the living God. That’s what you should be doing. I mean, there’s something more life than work and sleep, and that’s the way it goes. There must be something more. That’s what I’m hearing you say. So tell me, after this season what goes on in other countries?

NATHAN: Invitations began to come in from around the world. Men that were influential in their nations, they didn’t need a young guy with no qualifications and no Bible theology. But the Lord began to open doors. I was in a field; I remember 10,000 people in our first ever crusade. They were bringing people in on beds. There were people with growths and tumors, people that were involved in witchcraft. And I stood there, Sid, and I said to the Lord, “Lord, when did I think this was a good idea?” I didn’t know what I was gonna do. I’m thinking, Jesus, people are on mats. Lord, what am I gonna do? And the Lord spoke to me and said, “This was never your idea. This was mine. Now get up there and open your mouth.” And you know, I got up there.

SID: So God wasn’t surprised.

NATHAN: No. And I got up there and I preached my heart out. I preached the cross and the blood. And Sid, I just want to take this opportunity; we got to start preaching the Gospel. We’ve watered it down to make it pleasing to a western world. And I want to tell you that when you water down the Gospel you take the power out.

SID: But wait a second now. Seeker sensitive is the spirit of this age. When are we going to be God sensitive? When are we going to be God sensitive?

NATHAN: You know, I began to preach about the blood of Jesus Christ and the cross, and the power of his resurrection. That night over 6000 gave their lives to Jesus Christ, Muslims, people that knew nothing of Christ. Almost instantaneously miracles began to happen. My good friend, my assistant Matthew, he was bringing up people with crutches that were crippled, blind, deaf from birth. And I mean, you see on the early videos, my eyeballs–

SID: I’m sure, I’m sure.

NATHAN: Jesus, you know.

SID: I mean, if that was happening to you, how would your eyeballs be? You know what I mean?

NATHAN: I mean, but I suddenly realized the power of the Gospel. When you preach the Kingdom, the Holy Spirit comes and does the signs and the wonders that go in the Kingdom of God.

SID: Maybe that’s what’s missing in the American church.

NATHAN: Oh yeah. I tell you, we got to preach the blood. We’ve got to preach the blood of Jesus Christ. When you’re in Africa and India, witch doctors are coming to curse you, you can’t preach a wishy-washy message. You got to preach where the power is. The Bible says that the Gospel is the power of God unto salvation. When you preach the blood Hell must recognize it. It must bow to me.

SID: Tell me about the day all this is going on in your life and you’re on Cloud 9. I mean, I’m running out of words to say. You don’t have words for the, and the thick manifest, tangible presence of the living God, and he gets a text message. You get text messages. Tell me about that message.

NATHAN: Well my heart was in the gospel campaigns around the world. In the first year of the ministry we saw 30,000. Within two, three years, over 100,000 decisions, Muslims, Hindus. We had seen all manner of miracles. But then I get an invite to come and do a conference for a pastor who was dear to my family, Pastor John Kilpatrick.

SID: From the Brownsville Revival.

NATHAN: Yes.

SID: Which you saw the tapes, which caused the fire of God to hit you. I got it.

NATHAN: Yes. So straight away I was nervous. I was thinking, Lord Jesus, what’s happening now? You know, what are you about to do? And really, a friend of mine, that day I was supposed to speak with Pastor John. I had never spoken to him before. And I get a text message from a dear friend of mine, and he texted me a message. He said, “Alabama Crimson Tide have won the national championship.”

SID: That meant zero to you.

NATHAN: That meant zero to me.

SID: I’m sure. You’re in England. What do you expect?

NATHAN: I’m a soccer fan, you know. I don’t mean to offend the people that are here right now, but it meant nothing to me. And I thought he must have made a mistake. I thought he sent me a wrong text message. I don’t care. I thought nothing of it. I spoke with Pastor John literally about three, four hours later, and Pastor John, one of the first lines he said to me, he said, “Nathan, did you know that the papers have said that Alabama Crimson Tide have won the national championship. The glory returns to Alabama.”

SID: The headline said that?

NATHAN: Yeah.

SID: I’d say the glory has returned to Alabama. And then you get a vision. Tell me about that.

NATHAN: Well I knew God was up to something. I got invited to speak at the conference. I put the phone down. I went to go and pray. And when got on my knees, I’ve had few visions in my life. The few visions I’ve seen were all the gospel campaigns around Africa and India. But I began to pray about this. I said, “Lord, do you want me to go to Alabama?” And the Lord showed me a great vision, one of the most powerful visions I’ve seen. And I saw a tidal wave. It was a wave bigger than I had ever seen ever in my life. But what was unusual, what was supernatural about it was that it was crimson red in color. And I saw this wave and suddenly I saw Pastor John on his knees.

SID: Hold that thought. We’ll be right back after this word. I know you’re coming back. I know.

Sid: The wall of separation has come down to form one new being, one new man and this new man has a name, in Hebrew, Yeshua in English, Jesus.  That’s what Paul meant when he said the reason that Jesus came was to break down that middle wall of separation between Jew and Gentile to form a brand new species of being. A full dwelling place for God and that is what we are about ready to see Mishpochah.  My guest, Katie Souza has got what I know is the key, the revelation to reach the Jew.  Why do I say that? The Bible says the Jew requires a sign.  It also says, in Roman’s 11:11 Salvation has come to the Gentile to provoke the Jew to jealousy, in other words, to move in signs and wonders to provoke the Jew to jealousy.  So if you can understand the revelation of all of the healing that is available to us in Jesus, you can not only walk in Devine health, but you can reach Jewish people.  Who then can reach the Gentiles, the two; arm in arm will embark in the greatest revival the world has ever seen.

Sid: Now Katie, on yesterdays broadcast you said you had just got out of prison and you had seen some healings, but God directed you to Bethel Church in Redding, California.  You went there and a couple of housewives grabbed hold of you.  They laid hands on you.  There was a tangible impartation of the healing anointing.  You went home because your mother had been sick with a horrible disease for twenty-five years.  It was literally eating her hip bones and other bones from her body and she was in agonizing pain there was nothing the doctors could do for her.  You really wanted answers to healing.  You get home, you lay hands on her.  You’d feel something going on like a switch comes on.  You feel power of God going into her.  You are convinced she is healed but she is not.  Then your Dad, you did the same thing for.  He had a prostrate problem that he needed surgery for.  He gets instantly healed and you know there is some sort of blockage and the Lord reveals to you what the blockage is.  It is in the demonic realm, but he gives you an understanding that there are orders of demons.  The strongest, the weakest and the strongest, is the king.  And if you can get rid of the king, if you can knock the king out of the demonic kingdom over that sickness then all the other demons flee as if in terror.  So you understand this, now. This revelation from God, what do you do about it?

Katie: Well, I saw that when Goliath was beaten, that his army instantly fled, so I knew that it was truth.    When you start at the top and work your way down that the powers and the master spirits underneath these kings are going to leave, and I saw Jesus doing it.  I was like, I want to Jesus doing everything.  Because, if Jesus does something then that means it’s totally biblical and it is the way that He would do it and He was always successful in every healing that He did.  And it says in the scriptures that Jesus took out the kings.  Do you remember the showdown in the desert with Him and Satan?

Sid: Right.

Katie: It said that Satan said to Him, they took Him up on the high mountain and he said to Him, “Let me show you all kingdoms.  If you just bow to me once to pay homage to me I’ll give you all these kingdoms.  He wasn’t talking about, fancy cities like Jerusalem or Egypt.  He was talking about his demonic realms,   his kings, where all kingdoms were where all his kings were in positions of power.  And Jesus took them out in the desert.  Now remember this is Jesus did that in the beginning of His ministry before He even started doing signs and wonders and healing.  And from that point on because he took out Satan and the kings first, every power and master spirit Jesus came up against just submitted to Him without a fight, because Jesus knew the right order in fighting the kingdom.  He started from the top down. So when I got that revelation I was like okay, I got to take out the kings first.  There are kings over Mom and I need to know which one it is Lord and He said well, one of them is in Isaiah 14. So I went to that chapter and sure enough Sid, it was about a king and his name was a satanic king of Babylon.  As I began to read the scriptures about him, I knew that the king of Babylon in the natural was the king that had taken the Israelites into physical captivity in Babylon.  Well, the satanic king that’s his same job.  He’s in charge of physically imprisoning us in our body.  And as I read in the Amplified in Isaiah 14 all his job descriptions, you could see that he “caused us pain,”” weakened us,”” troubled us.” Wow, those are all things that are talking about the body, the physical body. So, I began to make war with this king against Mom.  And, you know what?  I didn’t even know how to do it.

Sid: I was just going to ask you.  How did you make war with this king?

Katie: Right, well in the beginning, in this teaching that you are offering I give, step by step instructions on how to fight the kings.  But for me in the beginning, I had the basic most important.  I had the scriptures.

Sid: By the way, speaking of the scriptures.  I thought, that when I was looking over my notes on your teaching.  I thought that it’s amazing what Isaiah 14 reveals that this king of Babylon does.  I mean, it sounds like ever disease you can think of.  Pains and everything connected with disease.

Katie: Right, those were like his job descriptions.  He weakens us, “he lays us prostrate”.  I mean that is so description of diseases and bodily affections and I thought this guy indeed is a king and he is in charge of causing our physical pain and illness.  So when I saw that I knew that the scripture was proving what God was saying to me. And so, not knowing anything else to do, but just having the most important thing, the word of God.  I just began to read that scripture out loud and decree it against this king that was over Mom.   One of the things it said in that scripture is that we take up a taunt against him and he would fall from his position of power.  Now, you see the demonic realm is based in the second heaven.  So, as I began to fight and command him to fall, I could feel burning on my legs, Sid and power being released from my stomach.  And all of the sudden in an open eye vision, I saw this being look like a man falling through the clouds down to the earth.  And when I saw him, he was even screaming.  Ah. Ah and as I saw him I said, what was that Lord.  And the Lord said, don’t you remember when that happened? And he brought to my mind the scriptures about the 72 and they were given the same anointing that I had gotten at Bethel.  The Matthew 10 anointing that drives out demons and heals the sick.  And he said that when they went out with that anointing and they came back they were like, Jesus wow, even the demons submitted to us in your name.  And Jesus said, well I saw Satan fall like lightning from the sky.

Sid: That’s exactly what you saw in your vision.

Katie: Exactly. And so there it is. To me that proved, wow this revelation is true.  Wow it really works.  Wow I fought against that king he actually fell from the sky. Because Jesus wasn’t just talking about Satan falling, he is talking about Satan’s kingdoms his kings and their kingdoms.  I actually saw him fall so I knew it was working.  And that night we went over to my mother’s house, me and two of my team members.  We started praying for my Mom and in the middle of it, one of my team members, Jean, stood up and she had an angel feather stuck to her shirt, Sid. Here is the thing. Mom didn’t have any down blankets or pillows in that room, nothing like that. When I looked at that feather, I said God what is that? And I heard in my mind Acts 12:10. When I went to it was about the Angel of the Lord breaking Peter out of prison.  Right there I knew that God was saying, yes it worked.  That king was over your Mom.  You commanded him to fall.  He fell and now the Angel of the Lord came in response to your prayer to break your Mom out of prison and he left his calling card behind.

Sid: So what happened to her hip?

Katie: Well, first what happened is she was delivered of addiction to dilaudid which is a prescription equivalent to Heroin.  She had been addicted to that for 10 years, Sid.  That was completely removed from her body.  And then, about six months later, I had been releasing the Glory Light on her and we talk about that later, on her hip believing and commanding for it to grow back.

Sid: And that‘s that new revelation of the Glory Light, which is our bonus CD, which I am overwhelmed over the revelation that you got on that, so go ahead.

Katie: She had the one hip removed, but the other hip she had was about to be taken out because it was getting so thin.  The leg bone was about to break through the hip into the intestines.  So the Lord said release the “Glory Light” on that hip so that it can be strengthening and restored.  I began to that.  I was in Australia when I did it Sid.  I was in Australia and as I’m coming home I was in another…

Sid: It doesn’t matter how far away you are, just as in the New Testament and Jesus just spoke the word only and the Centurion’s servant was healed.

Katie: Long distant healing.

Sid: That’s right.

Katie: Jesus did it so we can to.  As I was coming back to America, I was in another state and the Lord said now her leg bone is not in the joint of her hip.  You need to command it to come together, bone to its bone.  He actually gave me the word thundering.  I was like thundering?  I did a word search on thundering in the Bible and it was in that scripture with Ezekiel.  It says there was a shaking, a rattling and thundering and the bones came together, bone to its bone.  So when I saw that after I heard the word thundering, I got so excited.  When I came back home, I got off the plane, I ran over to her house, I ran into her room and she didn’t even know what I was doing.  And I began to command those bones to come together for that leg bone to go into socket. I didn’t even say that. I didn’t even say l for the leg bone go into its socket.  I just said come together bone to its bone and all of the sudden, Mom goes ouch.  I said ouch what?  And I thought I had hurt her or something and she goes I had a pain. Well what kind of a pain?  She said “well it was not really a pain, it was more of a feeling of like when the ball of a truck goes into the hitch of a tailor.”

Sid: To make a long story short because we are running out of time. She got off her drug addiction, and more important, you learned some key principals of healing.  You’ve have learned so much more since and you’ve put together your Healing School which is six CDs. Which I believe are many of the missing keys of healing revealed, especially healing in the glory.  How to heal soul wounds in the glory.  The keys to having unsaved people saved from the glory.  We are making that available in the bonus CD, the Glory Light.

Sid: My guest is so in love with the Lord. And as she worships the Lord literally her love for the Lord and the Lord’s love for her pours out of this music.  And Julie True I happen to think the reason that even little children, babies crying, it calms them down is this love of God pours right into their spirit.  What do you think about that?

Julie: We’ve had countless people respond to that, mothers have told us about their children who wouldn’t sleep and then they were able to be comforted.

Sid: I have a picture here of a little baby and a mother, Hope Seth. I guess this is when her daughter was just a little younger, the cutest picture.  Have you seen that picture with the ribbon around her the top of the head?

Julie: Yes.

Sid: Is that cute? I mean, I wish everyone could see that particular picture.  But I caught up with Hope Seth and let’s hear what she told me:

Recorded message:

Sid: I have Hope Seth on the telephone and she had a new baby daughter.  What happened Hope?

Hope Seth: Yes, well shortly after she was born, you know she would be real fussy like most babies are and we would try all kinds of different things to get her to calm down.  We would walk, we would bounce her, but I found that one day I thought well I’m just going to put on some worship music and see how she responds to it.  And so I had Julie True’s CD here and I put it in, and within maybe 30 seconds she had completely calmed down.  I found that when we would go on car rides and she would get fussy I would have another copy of her CD in the car and I would play it, and again she would totally be still and actually fall asleep.  I even tried, I thought I would mix it up; I was like let’s try some classical music and let’s see what would happen.  Nothing worked like Julie’s music did.  It really was amazing.  In fact, my husband when I would have to go out to the store, he would be like, please don’t leave me here without… don’t take the CD with you.  I would have to leave it here for him in case she would get fussy. We would just put it on and it would still her.

Sid: And you have a neat description of Julie’s music. What is that?

Hope Seth: Yeah, you know, it reminds me of peace packaged in music a lot.  I really kind of thought of it a lot like probably King David when he was called in to play for Saul.  That there was actually peace or an anointing that rested on his music as he played that stops things or torment.  That’s what it felt like. It felt like there was just peace on that music and as soon as it would begin to play, she would be still and quiet.

Sid: Thank you.

End of recorded message.

Sid: I have to believe that so many babies are calmed down, the reason that people with insomnia are able to sleep, the reason in this stressful world that were living in.  Someone can just close their door put on your CD Julie and experience that peace.  It kind of reminds me of David when he would play the harp before a mad man, King Saul.  He was mad, so mad, that he wanted to kill David one time, but it would just calm him.  It would just take away every evil thought and all stress.  I have to believe that’s the reason so many people are getting healed when they listen to your music, and that is why it is being used by so many healing rooms.  But some people’s reaction is a lot of crying.  What do you think is going on when they cry, when they hear your music?

Julie: I believe that God’s touching them and you know it’s tapping into places in their own heart, the cries of their own heart and it’s a cleaning.  It really cleanses you.

Sid: Do you remember the guy in the United Kingdom that cried for three days, tell me about him.

Julie: Well, he had had all kinds of physical sickness. And it’s a very long story of how all kinds of things he had struggled with all through the years, and he started listening to my music and just started feeling like God was showing that there was an inner connection that was effecting his outer physical ailments.  And so anyway, this one day he was listening to the song called “Meet Me Here”, and he said that the Lord just dropped the word rejection into his spirit. And he realized that that was a revelation of about what had affected his physical sickness and it was the rejection, and I believe from his parents.  And so anyway, he cried and cried and cried, and so it is a period of cleansing that happens sometimes when God taps into a deep place in our heart and it brings healing.

Sid: And the thing that I find kind of interesting is once someone is cleansed, and then many times they break out in joy when they are listening to your music. It’s kind of, they go through that whole cycle.

Julie: Yes. There was one man from another country, Korea I think, he said that he was just jumping up and down and laughing after he had had this whole period of weeping and weeping and God just filled him up.  It is like he got cleanses and let go of all this pain, and then he got filled up with the joy of the Lord.

Sid: Tell me about this selection how you happen to it. In all of Julie’s music it is spontaneous; it is the Spirit, the singing.  Tell me about the song “Let Your Joy Rise Up.”

Julie: Well, we were in the Healing Rooms again one day, and my partner in there that was praying she started feeling like we were suppose to tap into joy and just kind of begin to receive the joy of Lord.  Well, I was not feeling at all joyful.  There was a lot going on, a lot oppression of my own world at that moment. And so I believe though that you can speak things that are not into being basically and that we have a lot of power in our words.  And so I just began to start speaking, let the singing, “let the joy rise up, let the joy rise up in me” and you can tell when I beginning to sing it that it is not like I’m all there yet, but I am just speaking it and singing it into being.  We can all do that.

Sid: Well, why doesn’t everyone do that right now. Let’s hear, “Let Your Joy Rise.”

Played song.

Sid: You can see why we have so many reports of people being healed, so many people that have problems with insomnia, babies being able to sleep.  There is a supernatural peace that is imparted from Julie True’s music.  If I was to say that the one thing that this does, and you realize that doctors say most problems, most physical problems that people have is involved with stress.  This is a stress buster, that is what her music is and so I want to make her two latest CDs “Breathe You In” and Sounds of Healing available.  We have a bonus because when you understand the principles of soaking that’s been literally stolen from us, but were getting it back.  Were beginning to understand how you can soak in God’s presence and soak in the life of God and soak out the problems in your life.  We are including Cindy Parton’s CD which teaches you how to soak, how to set up a soaking room even if you want for other to participate.  How to hear God’s voice, how to enter into His presence, that bonus CD and the two music CDs by Julie True, we call it a mini soaking kit.