Sid Roth

SID: Hello, Sid Roth your investigative reporter of the supernatural. I love investigating the supernatural. I have Kris Vallotton here, and talk about a sabotage. Your dad died when you were 3 years of age.

KRIS: Yeah, my dad drowned when I was 3 years old.

SID: And the thing that I find fascinating is he was talking about dying.

KRIS: Yeah. You know, one of the things that happened in my parents’ life is when my mom was really young, 16 years old, an older man fell in love with her and that older man was a psychic. And he read tarot cards for her and he told her “You’ll have three husbands.” At 16.

SID: So in effect, that thought, that evil thought, was planted in her.

KRIS: I believe that he actually cursed her. He wanted to marry her and he actually cursed her.

SID: Hmm. But it had a pretty traumatic effect on you when your dad died. You didn’t, you stopped speaking.

KRIS: Yeah. Well my dad, for six months before he drowned…and my dad was a Phys-Ed teacher. He taught football, coached football, taught swimming, and then drowned at Anderson Dam, which is like drowning in a large pond. Six months before he died, every night for six months, he woke up and told my mom, “I know I’m going to die, I know I’m going to die.” And then he drowned in Anderson Dam. My grandfather actually found him on the bottom of the lake.

SID: Well that’s connected with something that happened to you. This thought, which he thought was his own, it wasn’t. It was an evil thought and it says in the Bible “How can two walk together unless they be agreed?” We’re supposed to agree with God, but the thing works in reverse if you agree with an evil thought.

KRIS: That’s right, that’s right. And whatever spirit world you agree with, it empowers that world. And what happened to me is, when I was 18 years old, I received Christ. And then at 22, one day I came home from work, got in the bathtub to take a bath late at night, went to get out of the bathtub, and I had this sudden thought that I was going to die. And I mean it was more than a thought Sid.

SID: And see, most people, when they have thoughts like this, they think it’s their own. They don’t even think in terms of maybe this isn’t me thinking.

KRIS: Yeah that’s right. Most of us are raised to think that whatever we think is originating from ourselves. And of course I was raised in a church that said that Christians could be mentally ill, but they couldn’t be demonized. And so I go to get out of the bathtub and I start shaking. And I mean I shake so bad I can’t even get a glass of water to my face without using two hands. And so I’m shaking, my wife comes in and she’s like “what’s wrong?” I said, “I don’t know, I can’t walk.” I got so shaky I couldn’t walk. She sat me on the couch, called a doctor, and that shaking lasted three and a half years. I sweat…

SID: My goodness.

KRIS: Three and a half years.

SID: That’s a long time.

KRIS: That’s a long time to shake isn’t it?

SID: How did you sleep?

KRIS: I didn’t sleep. I slept an hour, half an hour, hour at a time. I sweat the bed wet, profusely. My wife would have to change the sheets two or three times a night. It was hell on earth.

SID: Did you have any children at that time?

KRIS: We had just had our first child when I had a nervous breakdown. Yeah, it was crazy.

SID: Now did you go to your local doctor?

KRIS: I went to the doctor and he said “Well you’re having anxiety attacks.”

SID: Normally what they do is they prescribe tranquilizers.

KRIS: Yes. First thing he did is he told me to do is drink some wine. Well, you know, we don’t drink so I drank some wine to try to calm my nerves. Didn’t do anything but make me sick. And then he proscribed some tranquilizers, I took the tranquilizers for three or four or five days, and all they did was depress me.

SID: So you’re shaking, you’re sick, and you’re depressed. This is getting bad Kris, very bad.

KRIS: This is getting bad, yep. And we’re living in the Bay area. I’m managing a large repair shop and all the traffic, all the activity. And probably a year into it I said to my wife “You know what? We need to move to the country and see if that helps. We need to move someplace where the birds fly slow.”

SID: Were you able to work at this time?

KRIS: I went to work during the day. I could hardly think.

SID: Did you have a good job?

KRIS: I had a really good job, yeah. I had a high-paying job, I had a good job.

SID: I mean your first child, you’re married…

KRIS: Brand new house, just bought a brand new house.

SID: Your wife was your childhood sweetheart.

KRIS: I met my wife when she was 12; we got engaged when she was 13; got married when she was 17.

SID: What took you so long?

KRIS: And my wife was so good through the whole thing Sid. She just said “You’re going to be fine.”

SID: I was wondering about that. I mean, most women would just walk away from a mess like that. You were a mess.

KRIS: I was a mess. And then, so we moved. We moved up to…

SID: So old story, the grass is always greener…

KRIS: Oh yeah. And the year before I had a nervous breakdown, when we got married, we went into the Trinity Alps to go camping. And so I’m shaking, I can’t think, I said to my wife “Let’s go move to the Trinity Alps. Let’s go someplace where it’s slow where we can start over and where there isn’t all this traffic and all this pressure.” And so we moved to the Trinity Alps. We’re an hour from society living out in the woods and it doesn’t get better, it just gets worse.

SID: Why would it get worse?

KRIS: Well I started having visions. And when I say visions, I mean I started seeing things. I had visions that I’m killing people, I’m molesting children. I don’t mean like once in a while, I’m having them 40, 50, 60 times a day

SID: Previous to this, did you ever have thoughts like that

KRIS: No. I’ve never drank in my whole life, I’ve never taken drugs, I’ve never smoked dope, a cigarette, anything. I mean one day I’m fine…

SID: You’ve just taking a bath and you have this thought…

KRIS: I have a thought.

SID: This doesn’t even make sense Kris.

KRIS: Out of the blue; out of the blue. One minute I’m fine, the next minute I’m shaking, I don’t stop for three and a half years.

SID: Ok. So you made the move, you’re getting these bizarre thoughts. Did you have bizarre thoughts towards your family?

KRIS: Yes. Extreme. I mean I had thoughts of molesting my child, of killing my wife.

SID: You love your wife, you love your child.

KRIS: I would see them over and over like a dream, but you’re awake. And then, so I’m going through all that, and you can imagine when you love your wife, you love your kids, you love the people you’re having these visions of, and you’re like “What the heck’s wrong with me?”

SID: Sure.

KRIS: And like I said before, I was raised in a Christian culture that said Christians, they can be insane but they can’t be demonized.

SID: So that wasn’t an option.

KRIS: So my only thought is if I… can imagine if walk into a mental health center and say “hey, this is what’s happening to me” and I’m soaked with sweat and I’m shaking like a leaf what are they going to do?

SID: A few years back they would have given you electroshock therapy or worse than that, a lobotomy, or worse than that, the drugs that make you a zombie. Tell you what, let’s hold that thought. We’ll be right back after this.

SID: Hello. Sid Roth here with Dean Braxton. And this is so fascinating. You see, Dean died. His heart literally stopped for one hour and 45 minutes, and he went to Heaven. And one of the things you said is you were shocked on who was there and who wasn’t there.

DEAN: Yes.

SID: You had your own opinion, but God had a different one.

DEAN: God had a different opinion. You know, because when I got there I looked and I saw many people that I thought would not make it there. And then I looked around and I said but there’s people that I thought would make it here that is not here. And I came to understand a lot of those people that were not there that I thought were there were people that, we would call them pastors, leaders in churches, are in ministries. But they weren’t there. And you know, when I came back I really pondered on that. Why Lord weren’t these men or these women there that you would think that would be there? And here are people that I would have thought, no they didn’t make it into Heaven, and yet they were there. I came to understand because of what happened to me with one of my own family members. My Aunt Barbara, she was there. Aunt Barbara was a lady that I would have told you even to this day if I didn’t have this experience in my life, she didn’t make it there. She did not go there. She went to Hell. That’s what I would have told you because of the lifestyle that she lived that I saw in front of me. And the last two years of her life I was not around her, and so I didn’t see the last two years of her life. So I was basing it on everything up to that point.

SID: But you said you were looking for men of God, pastors that weren’t there. Why wouldn’t a pastor that’s preaching the Gospel, why wouldn’t he be there?

DEAN: It’s the same thing I was gonna say about Aunt Barbara, just to let you know, Sid. It’s a heart thing. It really is a heart thing. God knew my Aunt Barbara’s heart. She must have accepted Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior or the Messiah as Lord and Savior, because that’s the only way you got in, is by knowing him. These men or these women of God that we would think that know Jesus Christ, he knows their hearts. They are not fooling him. He knows exactly what they’re thinking. He knows why they’re doing it. He knows the modus behind it. See, everything in Heaven, modus is to get people to know Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior on this planet. Remember I told you earlier there was even this strategy piece.

SID: I know. I’m fascinated by that. Tell me. In other words, he literally saw Jesus strategizing

on how to win souls. Describe one thing you saw about the strategy.

DEAN: Well you got to understand that the strategy or the prompting of the strategy comes from us praying on this planet. We don’t understand that sometimes, that even Jesus Christ said that we’re to pray that more laborers go into the field. Well we sometimes pass that by. But when he said that, that’s a reality because God is gonna move off of our prayers that are from the heart. And literally, these prayers would go to the Father. He would communicate to Jesus. Jesus had around him a number of what I call beings, being everything that God had created. Some of them have been redeemed, some we would call angels. But they were there and he would communicate with them about plans that he had on how to get someone on this planet moved in a direction to accept him as Lord and Savior. I could remember him looking at them, and when he would look at them, they literally would bow before him, not take their eyes off him, and back out and go and do their assignment. Now I came to understand he wasn’t looking at them so much as what the strategy should be, because they were obeying him. They were not back-talking or coming up with a different plan. What he was looking at is this planet. He was seeing down here who would fulfill their piece of the part of the strategy on this planet. The closest I could come to in the example would be like Saul, when he was talking to Saul and he told Saul to go wait and then Ananias, he told Ananias to go and talk to Saul. Remember Ananias when he first talked to him said, “Wait a minute. Do you know who this is?” Many people on this planet when the Lord is telling them to do something they balk at it or they reject it. And he said, “Okay, I can’t count on them. I got to find somebody else.” And he goes and tries to find someone else. That’s what the strategy is all about.

SID: Do you know what that reminds me, Kathryn Kuhlman, she shared the story. She had the greatest miracle ministry of her generation. She shares the story that God selected many men for that miracle ministry and they all turned God down. Now I’m sure He didn’t say, “I want to give you a miracle ministry” and the man didn’t say, “Well I don’t want it.” But just step by step, because God leads you. All these men turned God down. So Kathryn said, “I was the bottom of the barrel, but I said yes.”

DEAN: Yes.

SID: Tell me something you saw about strategy, where they were strategizing for a particular part of the world.

DEAN: Well you know, one of the places I saw when I was there, you could see where the prayers were coming from. You could literally see prayers coming from this planet into Heaven, and literally I could say this area has got this much of a percentage of prayers, maybe one in ten. You had anywhere from maybe a one to a ten coming from this planet. Where one of the areas I saw a lot of prayers coming from was what we call the Far East, you know, around the Asian countries.

SID: Is that where so many Muslims are having dreams and visions of Jesus?

DEAN: Oh yes.

SID: That’s all part of the strategy?

DEAN: Yes. That’s all part of the strategy. He is reaching out to that part because of the prayers coming from that area. And the sense that I saw him look at these beings, and part of these beings were Peter and James. He looked at their group and there literally several of those angels, we would call, left their group to head down to that part of our planet.

SID: Tell me about worship.

DEAN: Oh worship. You know, there’s so much. Everything there worshipped the Lord. I came to understand what true worship is, and that is doing the will of the Father. Any time you’re doing the will of the Father you’re worshiping Him. When I was there, there was a time that I saw before what I call pray before the throne of God, and every creation of God literally was sending up prayers or praise to the Father in such a way they were individual. It wasn’t like a group of praise. It would be like you’re praising the Lord individually, I’m praising the Lord individually, and it did not clash.

SID: What is the biggest impact that happened to you as a result of going to Heaven?

DEAN: The biggest impact was seeing the love that the Father has for us. When during that praise time I literally saw Him singing back to every creation. I even sing now when we’re praising Him and giving Him glory that he’s literally singing back to us. That’s what I believe that when we say “The glory of God is here”, I really believe it’s Him singing to us. That’s what we’re experiencing. That changed me because I came to understand how much the Father really loves us. You know how the Bible says, “For God so loved the world He gave His only begotten son.” Yes. That’s reality. He loves us that much.

SID: Okay. I have all these pages here of conditions you were healed of. Your wife tells me that the hospital calls you The Miracle Man. You were healed of 29 different conditions. When you came back who was the first person that saw you and what was their reaction, quickly?

DEAN: Well the first person that saw me was a friend of mine. He had been working at the hospital. As a matter of fact, he worked on the breathing machines, and he was one of those that helped taking a tube out my mouth. His name was Anthony Jordan. I looked at him and I said, “You know. You know I have seen Jesus. You don’t have to hope I’ve seen Jesus. You don’t have to wish I’ve seen Jesus. You know I’ve seen Jesus.” And he’s a big man, and tears were just coming down from his face. I said, “You go tell your church”, because he had been a pastor of a church, also. I said, “You go tell your wife, Monique. You go tell. We don’t have to hope. There is a Jesus.”

SID: Love your family. Love God. You can’t love God if sin is separating you from God. The only way you can remove sin is to believe that Jesus died in your place because he loved you for your sin. This is God’s moment, God’s moment for you to get right with God. Make Jesus your Lord. Tell him you’re sorry for your sins. Ask him to live inside of you now.

SID:  Hello Sid Roth your investigative reporter here with Dr. Gwen Correll, something wonderful is about ready to happen to you, Gwen you smile for the first time since your husband had died and you made a decision you told me.

GWEN:  Yes right after that, I had decided that day that I was going to run after Jesus with everything within me.  That I was going to be made whole, that my heart wasn’t going to ache because I was going to allow Jesus to totally heal me and then I was going to see other people healed and I was going to do what he called me to do.

SID:  You know what I believe, I believe that you have a vendetta against sickness I believe that you are just going to break the hold of the demons and devils.  In fact you started or have been involved in healing rooms, and there are two people that we have video clips on from these healing rooms and one is Woody, and the other is Billy.  And there is power supernatural power in the testimony literally as they share miracles, we call them miracle camps.  This is something that I want you to do, when you see a miracle I want you to take your camera when a miracle happens in your home, anywhere from one to three minutes and send it to us and we will put it on.  Let’s take a look at Woody Jewel who had hepatitis C and Billy Arid who was literally deaf in one ear.

Woody:  About a year ago I was working as a manager in a shoe store, and I got real bad sick, I was having severe abdominal pain I was nausea, throwing up, couldn’t work, real weak, and my skin started turning yellow, and my eyes started turning yellow.  I went to the doctor and after several visits to the doctor and a lot of test the nurse calls me and she says well you have hepatitis C and it is quite advanced and now we have to set you up for a liver biopsy.  Well I had met Dr. Gwen Correll when my company first transferred me to Summerset here I saw a sign for an apartment and I called her and that is how I met Gwen and she told me about the healing rooms and I have never heard of healing rooms, I had been a Christian for a while, but I had never heard of healing rooms.  Well I decided I was going to come down here and get my healing.  So I came down here and the ladies prayed for me and anointed me with oil, and I actually came for prayer twice and I came to one of the services and got prayer again and it just so happen at that time they were doing healing training so I went through the training to actually pray for other people.  Well I went back to the specialist that was going to do the biopsy and he walked into the room with a confused look on his face and he said well, I can’t explain it he said I know that you had hepatitis C and he said but you don’t now.

Billy:  A few weeks ago I was with Gwen Correll at a healing room training session, and I was taping the session for her, and it was just a wonderful day at Life Abundant Ministries and she was training a group of people on healing.  And as I was taping at the end of the training session she began to pray for people and I was standing behind the camera and all of a sudden I heard a big loud pop in my head and it was just kind of a shock and then all of a sudden I could hear out of both of my ears I could hear out as good of my right ear as I could my left ear.  I played rock and roll for a number of years and just about lost the hearing on one side.  But God miraculously brought my hearing back God is the healer, Jesus is the healer and I give God the glory.

SID:  Do you realize that these are miracles, these are just ordinary people with an extraordinary God you can do that too.  Many of you have had miracles and I expect you to take your little video camera and do a couple of minutes, three minutes get close to the mike though so we can hear you and I want to hear ordinary people I think the world doesn’t realize miracles are going on.  Gwen I believe that if you pray for people right now I just heard that someone’s back is healed in Jesus name, would you pray for people right now

GWEN:  Yes.  And earlier today when I was praying God spoke to me he said necks are going to be healed.  God is wanting to heal your necks and your legs God spoke to me about knees and throats.  If you have something in your throat you just need to believe God as I pray for you right now God is going to touch you right there in your home I am going to send the healing name to you.  Father in the name of Jesus I send the healing word, everyone watching right now father I am asking you to heal the throats, the necks the backs, I am asking you to heal them of cancer every infirmity every disease right now in the name of Jesus.  Father you sent your word and healed them and by your stripes they are healed and made whole.  And father we agree now for your healing touch upon there bodies in Jesus name amen.

SID:  I believe that many of you were just healed right then but the greatest healing is just about to happen.  You see pain in the heart that is what Gwen had, she had grief and pain in the heart.  Some of you have grief and pain in the heart and Gwen I believe that you have a special presence of God the special compassion for those that have lost loved ones, for those that have lost there dreams, for those that have lost there vision, for those that just don’t know where to go and they are angry and they know that it is wrong, but they are just plain angry.  You were prayed over, it was a process but it also started with a supernatural prayer, would you pray that now.

GWEN:  Yes, father I just ask you to touch each one watching, that has a broken heart that has grief.  God you said you come to bind up the broken hearted, God you said you come to set the captive free.  So lord we send healing into them right now God set them free.  We come against the spirits of grief, I come against the spirit of anger, bitterness, resentment, un-forgiveness, God I pray right now that they are just going to let it go, they are going to release it, release it now in the name of Jesus, and I say be made whole according to the word of God lord go and pour your oil, heal there hearts, heal there minds, heal there bodies, heal there motions, heal every part of there body God set them free right now.  And let then know why you are hope to the hopeless, you are help father God, you are there ever present help, in time of trouble, I thank you lord for healing them right now, In Jesus name Amen.

SID:  Gwen you recently got back from India, and you saw some very few things that people have ever seen tell us about that women who had a demon in here that made her dance all of the time.

GWEN:  Yes we were in a crusade and while we were on the platform we looked down and there was a woman and she began to dance.  You know making unusual motions with her body, with her hand, and so we came down off the platform and we just began to pray for her.  You know, we knew it was a demon in her and we began to take authority over that, and we began to command it to come out of her, to loose her, to go from her in Jesus name.  And as we began to pray and God began to set her free, totally deliver her, totally by the end of the day we were there three days, she brought all of her family.  Brought all of her family to the crusade, she hugged me, and she spoke with me through an interpreter, and she said go back to America and tell, tell what God has done for me, she said thank you, thank you, thank you, for helping me.

SID:  Was she a Hindu before?

GWEN:  She was Hindu.  And she had given her heart to God, but because she had not stayed in this church, and stayed with the right people, I believe that seven more demons, greater came into her, and it was greater then before.

SID:  Let me tell you something most of you have just settled for religious Christianity there is more, there is so much more, eye has not seen nor ear heard all that God has in store for you.  And although it was very important for you to get free emotionally, although it was very important for you to be healed physically.  I am talking about someone’s magnitude is so much greater, I am talking about eternity with God starting now, I am not talking about dying and going to heaven I am talking about the kingdom of God invading earth through you.  I am talking about you hearing gods voice for yourself, I am talking about you walking in supernatural peace and I am talking about you being able to lay hands on the sick and see them recover.  I am talking about you having dreams and visions and it starts right here, don’t take anything for granted, tell God you are sorry for the sins that you have committed and ask for his help to be free and tell him that you believe that the blood of Jesus washes away those sins and now that you are clean, tell Jesus you want him to be more then just your savor, you want him to be your lord, you want him to be your all and all.  You want him to live inside of you, lift those holy hands, and yes they are holy, lift those holy hands to God right now, some of you are getting overwhelmed with his presence start worshipping him, praise your God, we worship you lord, oh God thank you.  Thank you, thank you, thank you, don’t look at circumstances, look at God circumstances won’t help you, only God will, Jesus is the way truth and the light.  No man comes to the Father except through the Son, Jesus is the sun of God now.

SID:  Hello Sid Roth your investigative reporter here with Dr. Gwen Correll what happens when your husband dies, you are both young; you have three young children, you don’t expect this, you don’t believe that it could happen, but it happened.  And you got angry with God and literally, as I understand it, it is a natural thing for a widow to grieve for her husband.  There is nothing wrong with that, but yours was beyond natural explain that.

GWEN:  I became very angry with God, angry with everyone.  I became very depressed, I shut myself down, I would not answer the phone I wouldn’t go to the door, I didn’t want to see anyone, I didn’t want to go to church, I didn’t want to go anywhere.  And I became angry and I said God why did this happen to me?  You know I am a good person; I try to do what is right.  Why me what did I do?  And you begin to blame yourself and you begin to blame everyone else.

SID:  And why did you happen to go one day to Pensacola Florida, the Brownsville Assembly of God Church, why did you go?

GWEN:  Someone had come to my family and told them that there was a great revival move of God in Florida.  And they said maybe you need to go there and take her, and they mentioned it to me and I said maybe if I can get out of town I can run from my problems.

SID:  Well as you and I know the grass always seems greener somewhere else until you get there.  She got to the church and she got something she wasn’t bargaining for and we actually have a clip of that.  Let’s go to the Brownsville Assembly of God in Pensacola Florida right now. 

Preacher:  There is someone here, you have been brought here by a friend, or relative and you have just experience a death of someone very close to you, I am not sure if it is a husband or a wife or a child but you are in deep sorrow.  And there is a grief that is wrenching your heart out and somebody said you aught to come with me to the Brownsville Revival and the Holy Ghost right now is lifting the grief and letting you have a normal grief.  There will be a tear in your eye but he is going to put a smile on your lips.  Praise him, praise him. (singing in tongues) Help the grief fly away, go.  I command you to go, leave.

SID:  Gwen when he said that what happened to you?

GWEN:  I was there and I was actually in the overflow room and I said he is talking about me and so I went when the service was over….

SID:  You weren’t even in the main auditorium, and God knew your name, he knew what was going on, that was you.

GWEN:  That was me.  And I went to the people who have prayer badges and I said he was talking about me, and they prayed for me and they said he needs to pray for you.  We are going to take you to him, so they took me to the main auditorium people were all around him, because every night they pray for everyone there, and there was a crowd around him, but they pushed me in front of him and I looked at him and he looked like a drunk man.  I have never seen anything like it, swirling around, his eyes rolling and I thought what is he going to do, is he going to pray for me I didn’t know.

SID:  Was he what is known as drunk in the Spirit?

GWEN:  You are drunk in the Spirit,

SID:  And the Spirit of God was so over him, it looks like someone is drunk, that is what happened in the book of Acts second chapter and so what happened?

GWEN:  And so I said I am the one and I looked at him and said I am the one, and he looked at me and he leaned back and when he came forward he blew on me.  And when he blew on me I fell to the floor and my body started violently shaking just shaking for thirty minutes my body just shook non-stop.  And then when I got up the people I had come with me they had seen me on the screen I believe and they came over there where I was and they said it looked like there was something around me, like I was glowing, and for the first time in three months I smiled.  And I told them with God I can do this, with God you know I though how am I going to raise my children, I said with God I can do it and I made a decision…

SID:  Did you hear that?  With God you can do that, with God there is going to be such a flow of the supernatural; don’t go away.

SID:  Hello Sid Roth your investigative reporter here with Dr. Gwen Correll, this is a different show, different than any show that you have ever seen on television, because it is truly interactive, what I mean by that is you are not going to just sit back and have your shoes off and eating your popcorn, or drinking your beer, or whatever you are doing.  This is interactive, you are going to receive many of the things that my guest has received supernaturally through the Spirit of God you will see what I am talking about.  My quest Dr. Gwen Correll, went through a horrible tragedy.  She was a mother, wife, three children and her husband died.  And she had read books on healing and she was convinced that her husband would live.  But let’s go back just a little bit, Gwen as a young child you had an encounter with God, tell me about that.

GWEN:  I was supernaturally touch at the age of six.

SID:  Six!  At 30 I became to know the Messiah, now I wish that would of happen to me but go ahead.

GWEN:  Well a little girl had invited me to what she called a tent revival, in a small town, I went with her, I had never been to any place like that before I had never seen anything like that before.  And while I was sitting there people were going to the altar and something came over me, I just got up didn’t really think about it I just got up and I walked down to the altar I knelt down and a strange language flowed out of my mouth.  I didn’t know what happened, no one said anything to me no one had prayed for me but God had supernaturally touched me at that meeting.

SID:  Now I am going to fast forward and then you are married and then all of a sudden you get on fire for God again, but your husband is dragging his feet tell me about that.

GWEN:  Well I got touched by the Holy Spirit I was hungry, I was on fire, I was reading all kinds of materials, I was praying, he just didn’t understand, it was not in him, he just did not understand, so I began to pray for him.  I just began to ‘call those things that be not as though they were.’  I called him into wanting to know God, hungry for God and he began to want to win souls, he became a soul winner; and then, little by little…

SID:  Now if you had not taken that stance and maybe taking that stance as many Christian women when the wife gets really on fire for God and the husband is dragging his feet, or vise versa.  And unfortunately there is too many divorces that go on, instead you took the time to believe God.

GWEN:  I was determined I wanted us to live in unity together and to want the same things, and so what God had done for me I wanted it for all of my family, I wanted it for my husband and my children, and so I was determined that the word works if you work the word.

SID:  So he got hungry for God and this was your hearts desire and then when did you find out he was sick?

GWEN:  Well we had he had been supernaturally touched actually when we were in India, and then he had a desire; he was a business man all of his life and had a desire to start a ministry for drug addicts and alcoholics.  So we had our first meeting to start this ministry and the next day we were at a church meeting and during the altar call in the service he dropped to the floor with a grand mal seizure and four months later he was dead.

SID:  Now you understood that it is Gods will that you live and not die?

GWEN:  Yes

SID:  He understood that, but he died and I have to ask you this, why?

GWEN:  I believe that he had head knowledge but it had not dropped down into his spirit.  You have to have heart knowledge of the word, it has got to become real, it has got to become apart of you.  And there are so many things actually I didn’t know and he didn’t know you know the bible says my people parish for lack of knowledge.  Knowledge we didn’t know on certain things and so he died before his time.  God promises us a long life,

SID:  But you didn’t prepare for his death?

GWEN:  No I wasn’t

SID:  You prepared for him to live.

GWEN:  Oh yes.

SID:  And were you there the moment that he died?

GWEN:  I was in the hospital when he died, we had been playing video’s healing video’s for the last part of his death he was comatose and yet we just continued to speak the word, continued to believe I was speaking the word night and day.  I was not going to take no for an answer, but you know when you wait till the last minute when something tragic hits your body, it is hard then to get a hold of the word and get that truth inside of you and so we were playing a video Betty Baxter, In Heaven and we had that on and it was after she was showing heaven and all about heaven and right after that video he bottom lined and he died, and I believe that he made a decision.  I believe he saw glory, I believe he saw a glimpse of heaven and he said I am out of here.

SID:  He said I am out of here, but she is left with three young children not planning on her husband dying and she literally got angry with God we will be right back after this, you are going to want something that is going to change your life, because Gwen has told me already that there are healing words that are about ready to flow, it is interactive we will be right back after this word, don’t go away.