Sid Roth

SID: Hello. Sid Roth here with John Fenn. John Fenn was in Mexico and he had a visitation from the Messiah of Israel, Jesus. Tell me what you saw, what happened, John.

JOHN: Well I was minding my own business. That’s probably the biggest thing to know right off the bat.

SID: You weren’t particularly spiritual.

JOHN: I wasn’t. I wasn’t trying to visualize anything. My two friends were on up ahead. I was kind of lingering behind. In fact, I was looking down at the rocks in the road making sure I wasn’t twisting my ankle. But suddenly, inside of me there was an excitement in my spirit man, not like butterflies being nervous, but there was an excitement. And I didn’t know what that was. It was like the presence of God, but it was much stronger. And finally I turned the corner and I was contemplating, what is that, what is that? And suddenly up out of me I heard, “It’s Jesus.” And when I did that, my head raised up and there about 15 away Jesus was standing right in the bend of the little road. And I was so startled. I looked at him and I said, “What are you doing here?” And he looked at me and he said–

SID: That would not be what I would say, but go ahead.

JOHN: And he said, “I’m here to meet the needs of the village.” And I said, “How can I help?” And he looked at me and he said, “Meet the needs of the village.” And some other things were said, and then he said, “I want to teach you how to hear the voice of the Father and know the ways of the spirit.” And that began about a 45- or 50-minute teaching time where he explained to me just the things of the spirit, about what we were talking about earlier, where the spirit man is really the eternal part of us. Our spirit and soul are eternal and when somebody, for instance, goes to Heaven, it’s their spirit and soul, which his in Heaven. And he pointed to the very first example was in Luke, Chapter 16, where two men had died, one man ended up in Hell, the other man in Paradise by Abraham’s bosom. And he began teaching me. He said, “Notice,” he said, “their body is dead and buried, but they saw each other, they heard each other, the spoke to one another. One wanted water because of the torment of the flames.” And he said this, he said, “The root of your senses is actually in your spirit man.” And he started giving me different examples of life, how I had not realized that, but operated in it. And I think this is what happens with many of our viewers. When the Lord started talking to me about this and teaching me, I realized, well this is very common. Let me give you an example. There was a particular store that my wife and I knew, and we had been in there, and there’s just a heavy feeling there. And we recognized that as a wrong spirit. And the Lord pointed that out and He said, “How did you know that?” And I said, “It didn’t feel right.” And He said, “The Bible uses the word ‘perceive and discern.’” And He said, “That describes the process by which your mind picks up on what is happening in your spirit.” And that’s what happened. We walked in and our mind was like a teeter-totter. You take in the physical senses, but also you check on the inside, not with just physical, but the inside of you and sense that spiritual atmosphere.

SID: Well for instance, when I go into a store and someone is involved in perhaps New Age or involved in other things like that, I can literally feel something.

JOHN: Yes.

SID: Or witchcraft.

JOHN: Right. And what you pointed out to me is that that spirit man is how we make contact with the spiritual realm. In other words, there are people who say that they have had, the world uses the word “premonition” maybe. You may see different things, a premonition, or they have a hunch. Someone has a peace about something that they’re doing or it doesn’t feel right. All those are symptoms in the spirit man. And when he began teaching me all this I began realizing that all through my life I had moved in elements of it, but it took on a whole other dimension, a whole other level through his teaching. And he referred to examples in his own life. For instance, one of the examples he used from his own life was when the woman with the issue of blood touched the hem of his garment. And Luke 8 tells us that he was hemmed in and pushed, and thronged and mobbed by a group of people, but he stopped and he said, “Who touched my clothes?” And the disciples were like, “What do you mean, who touched you? Everybody’s touching you.” But he said, “No, I felt power leave me. I felt power go out of me.” And then that woman being afraid came forward and said, “I got healed.” And so what he told me, he said, “You have to train yourself, even mobbed with all your physical senses in operation.” He said, “Notice how I trained myself to perceive what was happening in my spirit and I felt that power go out of me.” He said, “I want you to train yourself to do that same thing.”

SID: You also have a gift of discernment, which you can see what’s going on in the invisible
world. Right now on this set, can you see anything, and if so what?

JOHN: Several angels. And it’s not something that I initiate. It’s something that just happens to the discerning spirit. And you know as we even visited over a meal earlier, there was an angel. And a lot of the words of knowledge I receive come from angels, and this is completely scriptural. Some people don’t understand that when an angel appeared to Cornelius in his household, or even the angels at the tomb of Jesus, they gave them words. They gave them instructions and words of knowledge, or words of wisdom of what that’s called. And so a lot of the words of knowledge I receive for people often times come through the angels, and it’s always this, it’s always something like, “The Father wants them to know.”

SID: Now do you have a personal angel?

JOHN: I have one that I have seen. Shortly after this visitation in 1986 is when it began and I’ve been walking with it for the last 25 years.

SID: And do you see your angel all the time near you?

JOHN: Not all the time, but it’s very often when, it’s unusual to go more than a week or so without seeing him. I had incident, for instance, one time I didn’t see him for two weeks straight. And suddenly he was there and I said, “Where have you been?” And he said, “In the same way you take sleep for refreshment, we go to the Throne.” And I said, “Well I hope everything was okay while you were gone for two weeks.” And I insulted him and he looked very serious, and he said, “I would not have left unless everything was taken care of.”

SID: That’s a good feeling.

JOHN: That is a good feeling. But it made me realize there’s a whole different perspective that they have.

SID: I love it the way spiritual senses can be activated. And John has such an anointing for it. He actually had an experience with Heaven and found things out that you’ll be fascinated with. Don’t go away. We’ll be right back after this word.

SID: Hello. Sid Roth here. Welcome to my world where it’s naturally supernatural. And just before we went on the air I felt such an awesome presence of God. This is going to be spectacular in the miraculous, this show. My guest is John Fenn, and John had an encounter with Jesus in which Jesus literally taught him how to activate his five, not natural, but five spiritual senses. This happened in Mexico. And when John received this revelation teaching from Jesus, you can’t get much better than that, on activating your spiritual senses, his spiritual senses opened up, and wherever he goes, it’s transferable. That’s why I’m so excited. But John, it didn’t just happen to you. God prepared you for a long time. As a young person, you wanted to understand how people in the Bible could have their spiritual senses activated.

JOHN: Yeah. It actually began on my search for the Father when my own dad left. When I was born again about four years earlier I really wanted to touch His realm, to fellowship with the Father, and led me to studying especially the Old Testament where Adam and Eve clearly could see both in the spiritual realm and the natural. When the Lord put Adam in the garden he did his surgery on Adam and brought Eve over to him. So I could see they could see both in the spiritual realm and the natural realm. And then I read in 1 Kings 6 where the prophet Elijah, who was surrounded with the Assyrian army and his servant was afraid, and he said, “Lord, open up his eyes so that he can see what I see.”

SID: I love that line, “Open up his eyes.”

JOHN: “Open up his eyes.” And that’s what happened to me during that visitation. And then it began forming in me. I’m talking about 16 years old when I was born again that the Book of Acts was normal Christianity. And there are lots of experiences with angels and–

SID: I just want to be normal. I think you just want to be normal, too. John, there was one moment where someone had a word of knowledge because you had been trying to understand healing, and you knew that word was for you. Tell me about the first person you prayed for.

JOHN: Yes. For two or three months, the word “revelation” just kept coming about healing. There was no practical application. So one Sunday night, when I was still a teenager, and the leader was also a teenager, had a word of knowledge. And he just said, “The Lord is going teach something about healing and now’s the time to do it.” And I was really scared. In fact, at first, I mean, there’s only 10 or 12 of us in that living room, but I was little nervous. But finally I raised my hand and a young other teenager with severe scoliosis was there as well. And the leader said, “Now’s the time to do it. Heal her.” And this young girl, she was kind of nervous, too, she was markedly–

SID: But you were more nervous.

JOHN: I was. I was. But she had one shoulder that was lower than the other and I just had her turn around and I just about her waist, I said, put my fingertip and just going up the back of her spine, just said, “In the name of Jesus be healed,” and then stepped back. And it was like a terrier shaking a rat. Something got a hold of her spine and it just went grrrr all the way up, and she just stood up and that shoulder just leveled out, and she was just ecstatic. She was bending over, twisting and–

SID: What was going on with that young teenager, you?

JOHN: I thought this is really neat. In fact, there was such an anointing that from that time on for two solid weeks, anybody that I laid hands on for two weeks straight got healed.

SID: Now God told you that was actually a preview. Explain that.

JOHN: That’s right. After two weeks, and I had laid hands on a neighbor who busted up his elbow going through a door, my own mother with a sore leg that she had bruised. But it shut off just as quickly after two weeks. And I was praying. I said, “Father, what was this?” And He said, “I just want to give you a preview of what you’re going to be walking in later.”

SID: And let me tell you, he’s really walking in it right now. Tell me about the Navajo pastor.

JOHN: Well that was actually the very first time I saw the Lord. It was in April of ’86. And I was an associated pastor, unpaid position, and I was sitting at the back because my wife and I had a child, our youngest, still in the nursery. No one was in our room. And in the middle of worship I had my eyes shut. I had my hands up. I was worshiping. And suddenly my head turned, and this was in my spirit man’s head turned. My body is still there, but I turned and I saw Jesus walking in the back of the church. And he stood at the end of the row and he said, “Come with me.” And it was one of those experiences where at the time I didn’t know if I was in the body or out of the body. I just knew I walked down the row, went up the aisle, stood in front of a Navajo pastor, who was the only one in the congregation sitting down during the worship service, and Jesus stepped to the side, and he said, “I have a word for him and I’d like for you to give it to him.” And this is a pastor that our church supported, so he was just visiting. But I looked at him and I said, “Lord, you’re here.” And long before it ever became a motto he just looked at me and he said, “Just do it.” And so I put forth my hand and put it on this pastor, and there was a prophecy that came forth, just a word of encouragement and appreciation how much the Lord loves him. And as that prophecy, as that word started trailing off it was like somebody shutting off a faucet, gradually just trailing off, the Lord, who’s about 5 feet-11, and I’m about 6 feet-6, melted somehow to fill my space. And as he did that, he said, “Remember, my son, when you lay hands on a person in my name it’s as if I am laying hands on that person.” And instantly I was back at next to my wife.
SID: So if I’m understanding you right, your spirit man walked out of your body and walked up to this pastor to prophecy.

JOHN: That’s right. It was just like Paul spoke about, he said, “Whether you’re in the body or out, I don’t know, but I went to Paradise.” It was kind of like that. It wasn’t until after I was back that I realized, oh, and check with my wife. She said, “You never left my side.”

SID: Hmm. Well when we come back John Fenn was in Mexico and the Messiah of Israel visited him and activated, and taught on how he can activate the five spiritual senses. Don’t go away. We’ll be right back after this word.

SID: Sid Roth here with Rick Joyner. I know you’re on the edge of your seat, because he’s not only a prophet, he’s got a whole school of prophets. It sounds kind of like, in the Jewish scriptures, Elijah and Elisha, and they had these schools of the prophets. What is God showing you, as far as where we are in history?

RICK: Well you know, in both Joel 2 and Acts 2 it speaks about in the last days, the Lord is going to pour out His Spirit. It says when He does, the old men are going to dream dreams, young men see visions, and His sons and daughters are going to prophecy. And we’re seeing a tremendous, I believe maybe unprecedented in history, outbreak of dreams, visions, and prophecy.

SID: Now as you and I know, you turn on TV and you can’t help but see a psychic, or call a certain phone number and it’s a psychic network, and you were telling me last night how much money is spent on psychics in this country.

RICK: Well, the last study I saw, a few years ago, was between $10 and $12 billion a year, just in our country.

SID: $10 or $12…?

RICK: Billion. Billion. Per year.

SID: I thought you said that. Did you get that?

RICK: Spent on psychics. But this was the most shocking part of all. They said over half of that was being spent by Christians who’d been taught that God no longer speaks today, and they were turning to psychics.

SID: If you won’t believe the truth, the Bible says, you’ll believe a lie. And a lot of people look at the truth and they say it’s a lie, but you have to recognize you cannot have a good counterfeit unless it’s a counterfeit of something authentic. I want the authentic. So the world is beginning to understand prophecy. And you told me you’d send some of your students out to secular business conferences to prophecy?

RICK: Well, they asked us to come. There was a seminar in Florida just a couple of weeks ago, it was a business seminar, and they asked us, could we send some of our prophetic teams down. And we said sure. So we mobilized 30 of our kids to go down there, and they set up teams. And anyone who wanted to go in and be ministered to by these teams could go, and it had a spectacular impact.

SID: Do you know if many of these secular business people became believers in the Messiah?

RICK: They did. We estimated about 150 became brand new believers.

SID: We have, in America, the fastest growing trend, and there’s some very godly people involved in this. It’s called “seeker sensitive”. But what happened, if we look at the Bible, and we become whatever they did there, we should do. Guess what kind of results we’ll get? I mean can you imagine going into a secular business conference and prophesying to people? I understand even the White House, under the Regan years, used psychics to find out what was going on. Nancy Regan used to, at least it was in the newspapers.

RICK: Yeah.

SID: But I think that people are getting wise, and they say “I don’t want that cheap counterfeit that is only right 20% of the time.” And I doubt that if it’s even right that much. I want the kind the Bible says that can’t fail.

RICK: Well that’s true. And I believe both our government and many other governments… By the way, many governments have sought out the prophetic, true, godly prophets. And I believe whenever you seek the Lord, you will find Him, and He’s helped many people. And you know there’s a lot we couldn’t say about that, because we’d lose our ability to speak in certain situations. But I believe there are many, many people that are starting to understand there is a counterfeit and there is a real. If they don’t declare that Jesus Christ is the Son of God, He is the Messiah, He is the Lord Of Lords, don’t go to them. They can be supernatural, they can have some supernatural information, but there’s good and bad. There’s good and evil.

SID: So what you believe is, the prophet Joel says you’ll know when it’s the last days; in Acts it says the same thing. So because these gifts are coming to the surface, and everything else going on in the world, would you agree with the orthodox rabbis we’re in the footsteps of the Messiah?

RICK: Absolutely. Absolutely. And I would like to emphasize, though, it’s not so much the end as it is the beginning. It may be the end of this age, and I think, like we normally say to every year when it passes on New Years “Good riddance to that year”, we’re going to say good riddance to this age. I mean it’s been terrible. The King Of Kings is coming back to rule and reign over the earth. He’s going to restore the earth. The scriptures are clear. We have a greater hope than any New Age movement, any utopian philosophy, anything. We’ve been given the greatest hope of all: He’s going to come back and restore the earth, the lion’s going to lie down with the lamb again, children will be able to play with cobras, there’s not going to be any more mourning, sickness, dying, pain, child abuse, hunger – any of these things. He is going to restore the earth.

SID: What are doctors going to do when there’s no longer the cause of…

RICK: They’re going to have to get a real job!

SID: What are they going to do? They’re not going to be able to say “Well the cause of your disease is stress.” There’s not any stress there. The Bible talks about people being translated; being in one city and then finding themself in another city, just instantly. Has that happened to you?

RICK: That’s happened to me.

SID: Tell me about it.

RICK: Well, I was leaving Charlotte, North Carolina for Winston Salem to go to a little home group. Now this was years ago. And I was late leaving, it was about a two hour trip and I was late. I was going to be late anyway, maybe 20 or 30 minutes late. Then there was an accident on the interstate, and I sat behind that for over an hour. And I figured once I got past the accident, I’m going to be two hours late, I’ll get there right at the end of the meeting. And I said “Well, I’m going anyway. I said I was coming, I’m going to go.” Now I had to take Interstate 77 north, intersect Interstate 40, and go east for a while. Anyway, as soon as I get past this accident, it’s like all of a sudden I look up and I didn’t recognize this truck, I didn’t recognize the other vehicles around me. And I thought I’d maybe fallen asleep or something, you know, you might drift off, and it shocked me. Then I looked up and I’m at the exit on the other Interstate, Interstate 40.

SID: How long should it take for that for that to occur?

RICK: At least an hour and 15 to 20 minutes, maybe an hour and 30 minutes.

SID: You’re telling me that you transcended time.

RICK: Absolutely. I was there instantly.

SID: Speaking of transcending time, we’re going to take a break right now, and when we come back, we’re going to find out how God knows ahead of time where we’re going to live, and He has the exact place that we’re to live in. Don’t go away.

SID: Hello. Sid Roth here with Patricia King. And when I think about Patricia King, I think of someone that is so overwhelmed with the love of God, with the compassion of God that you literally go to the streets and you deal with the down and outs. And I see you put your arms around people that probably haven’t had a bath in a month and are filled with lice. Why do you do this?

PATRICIA: Well, you know, I was forgiven of a lot, Sid. And so when you’re forgiven of much you have to love much. I was so loved by God myself, so forgiven, that that’s why we bring light into the darkness. And everyone will come alive if they’re loved to life, right?

SID: And you know what I also love? You’ll give a prophetic word to someone.

PATRICIA: Yes, God’s words, yes.

SID: That’s got to be such encouragement to people.

PATRICIA: Yeah. You know, people never hear of what they were created for. And so if you don’t know who you are and what you were created for you might never reach for that. You know, if you’ve been told your whole life that you’re no good and that you’ll never amount to anything then maybe you won’t, because if you believe those words, right? But if you were told right from the beginning that you were created with destiny and purpose then you can arise up into that because that’s what you were made for. So when we go out and give prophetic words even to those that are in the darkest of places in their lives and then send them that, those words will bring them to life.

SID: Now many of these street people have mental problems, schizophrenic. Tell me about one schizophrenic that got healed.

PATRICIA: Well we have a home called the Restoration House that came about because we met so many people on the street that we would have loved to have taken home and just love them to life, but we didn’t have a facility. So we believed God for a home. And our very first person that came into that home had a problem with schizophrenia. In fact, they were on medication for that. And God just told us how to believe for them to come into wholeness and to come into a place where they could be functional. They weren’t even saved when they first came to the home. But through loving them to life God transformed them. And after they became a Christian they started believing God to come into the fullness of what they were created for. And as a result God supernaturally delivered them from their schizophrenia, so that now just within a year or so after that, they are in their right mind. They’re totally off all their medication. They’re working at a job. They’re being an asset to the community and they’re just thriving in the things of God because of the power of God, because of the supernatural healing affect of God upon their lives.

SID: Now some amazing things that have happened at your conferences. Tell me about the Wind and Fire conference.

PATRICIA: Oh my gosh. That was so amazing. We were actually praying for this conference called Wind and Fire. We’re in a prayer meeting and in the home where we’re having the prayer meeting, all of a sudden, the smell of fire, like a fresh fire came into all of our nostrils. We’re running around the house thinking the house was on fire. But there was no fire. So we’re wondering what is that? We look out the window and all of a sudden a fire truck goes down the street, and we thought, well maybe it’s the neighbor’s house is on fire or something. We run outside the door to find this fire. The fire truck is parked just down the street. We run down there and say, “Is there a fire?” They said, “Well we got a phone call that there was a fire on Badger Avenue, but we can’t find the fire.” All of a sudden I realized, oh my gosh, that’s the name of the conference, Wind and Fire. We were just praying about the fire of God.

SID: And it actually so manifested in the invisible that they could smell it.

PATRICIA: It was physical smell that was manifesting, but no visible fire. So the next week when we actually had our conference we were planning a five-day event. The very first night of the conference the smell of fire came into the conference hall. The janitors were running around trying to find the fire and didn’t understand why the alarm didn’t go off. And there’s no fire, but everyone could smell the fire. Do you know what, Sid? We had 21 nights of revival where people were healed, delivered, set free, saved, forgiven of their sins. Often times, people wouldn’t even leave the meetings until four o’clock in the morning because the fire of God, the power of God was moving in such an extraordinary way. So in that case, the fire, the smell of the fire was a supernatural sign of what God was gonna bring, the fire of His Spirit, the fire of His glory, he was gonna bring into the meetings. And it was a prophetic sign.
SID: Let me take you back to that young woman that thought they’d put her in a mental institution, throw the key away, and then you were set free from shame.

PATRICIA: Yes.

SID: You were set free from guilt. What did that feel like to be free?

PATRICIA: Oh, you know, when you live under the weight of sin and guilt and you can’t do anything about it, I knew that I was a bad person. I tried not to be a bad person, but I kept doing things that were bad. So it enforced who I was. I was trapped inside of guilt and shame. And many people even watching this program right now, in fact, you might be watching right now and you feel that way, that I’m under guilt, I’m under shame, I’m under condemnation. I don’t know what to do. But I’m telling you, Yeshua, Jesus, in a moment of time can lift that because you’re forgiven in him and you’re loved eternally in him. And that’s what I experienced at that time.

SID: Pray a brief prayer right now, very brief, for them to experience the love of God.

PATRICIA: Yeshua, I pray right now that for everyone watching that the love, the love that’s in your heart for them will be experienced in them in the fullness, in the fullness of their mind, their body and their spirit. Enter them now with love that frees them from condemnation and shame forever. In the name of Yeshua, amen.

SID: How would you like to know that love all the time? If you know the king of love, you’ll know his love all the time. His name in Hebrew, Yeshua, in English, Jesus. Make your peace with him. What you’re experiencing right now, that peace, it’s nothing compared to what he has for you no matter what the world has thrown at you or will throw at you. By making Jesus Lord of your life, you are on your first step to the greatest life a human could have. Do it now. Don’t wait another minute. This is your moment. Don’t miss the moment of your visitation. Make him Lord now.